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Speaker 1: Native Lampid is a production of iHeart Radio and partnership

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Speaker 1: with Reason Choice Media. Welcome home, y'all. This is episode

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Speaker 1: one hundred and nine of Native Lampid, where we give

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Speaker 1: you our breakdown of all things.

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Speaker 2: Politics and culture.

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Speaker 1: We are your hosts, Angela Rye, Tiffany Cross, Andrew Gillim

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Speaker 1: and Bacari Sellers. What's going on y'all will get into today?

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Speaker 3: Well, I want to get into the same thing I

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Speaker 3: get into every weekends, so you know, I want to

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Speaker 3: hear from the viewers, and we have a lot of questions.

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Speaker 3: So that's my thing for this week. What y'all got.

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Speaker 4: It's been a big week.

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Speaker 5: Sorry, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 4: I didn't want to interrupt, but I was a feeling

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Speaker 4: well in the middle of the night and took some

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Speaker 4: medicine and I took the drowsy version. So if I

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Speaker 4: seem a little slower today, I just want you to

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Speaker 4: bear with me. I felt like that disclosed you was necessary.

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Speaker 1: Well I'm glad because I was hoping you weren't drinking

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Speaker 1: on the clock, So I'm glad to know it's Benadrill

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Speaker 1: instead or mused X or whatever else they got. Andrew,

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Speaker 1: we hope you feel better. I know you don't, but

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Speaker 1: that's why I was so concerned, because I thought somebody

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Speaker 1: had put something, you know, in your in your in

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Speaker 1: your hot tea, gave you a hot toddy instead. You

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Speaker 1: didn't even ask for. Well, here's the thing. It has

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Speaker 1: not been a big day for Andrew. It's actually a

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Speaker 1: slow day, not by design, but it is a It's

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Speaker 1: been a big week for women. So I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about too, in particular, shout out to Asia Wilson,

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Speaker 1: who is the Time Athlete of the Year.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully we talk about that just a little bit.

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Speaker 1: And also Jasmine Crockett is finally announced that she's going

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Speaker 1: to run for uh senden seed in Texas, going against

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Speaker 1: incumbent John Corner, So I definitely want to talk about

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Speaker 1: that with us.

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Speaker 2: Y'all think you God damn did y'all not?

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Speaker 3: Like I'm waiting to hear from Bacari and the camera

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Speaker 3: like this frozen again.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Talking what do you want to talk about?

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Speaker 5: We're gonna talk about the WI FI in Columbia, South Carolina.

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Speaker 5: How about we talked about that? Apparently it is the

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Speaker 5: issue is the issue de jure of the day. I

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Speaker 5: don't know I mean, there's there's so much, there's so

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Speaker 5: much to talk about. I actually appreciated uh Angel's topic

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Speaker 5: about Asia Wilson coming from South Carolina. So I'm a

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Speaker 5: chiment on that with y'all because I think that she

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Speaker 5: deserves a lot of props for the weight that she

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Speaker 5: carries for black women, the w NBA, and a lot

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Speaker 5: of many a lot of others.

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Speaker 4: Beca, didn't you also suggest we talk a little bit

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Speaker 4: about the consequences of of elections and elections out this

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Speaker 4: is the Detroit story.

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Speaker 2: I thought he was saving that for next week.

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Speaker 6: A g.

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Speaker 5: Well head you got.

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Speaker 1: I cannot handle this delayed ass pace today. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: here's the next thing. Y'all blame my add but I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna say this. The other thing that is very exciting.

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Speaker 1: This is something where even Andrew in his slow state

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Speaker 1: is going.

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Speaker 2: To get excited about. I just know it. Ellie missed out.

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Speaker 1: Our resident Supreme Court Exford is also joining us today.

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Speaker 1: We have so much to talk about with the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 1: They cutting up y'all. You ared of citizens United, They

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Speaker 1: trying to make it even worse. They're also going to

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Speaker 1: consider birthright citizenship. We're gonna get into all of that

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Speaker 1: and more with Ellie today. We're gonna get right into

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 5: Let's go, y'all, how about this new one. They have

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Speaker 5: their new star, Crockett.

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Speaker 4: How about her? She's a new star of the Democrat Party,

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Speaker 4: Jasmine Crockett. They're in big trouble, but you have this

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Speaker 4: woman Crockett. She's a very low IQ person.

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Speaker 5: I watched her speak to the other day. She's definitely

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Speaker 4: Crockett. Oh man, oh man.

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Speaker 5: She's a very low IQ person.

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Speaker 4: Somebody said the other day she's one of the leaders

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Speaker 5: Now, they're going to rely on Crockett's gonna bring the bed.

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Speaker 1: So everyone, as we know, Jasmine Crockett announced her run

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Speaker 1: for the United States Senate. This week, Colin Aureed, who

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Speaker 1: is a former member of the House of Representatives, announced

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Speaker 1: and he's dropping out of the Senate race. I want

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Speaker 1: to know what you all think about the announcement video

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Speaker 4: I think first I would just acknowledge up front that

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Speaker 4: the hit pieces that will undermine her math, that will

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Speaker 4: undermine her politics. To try to drive this to a

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Speaker 4: radical left versus moderate versus you know, centric centrist, you

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Speaker 4: know democrat. That stuff is going to happen. We should

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Speaker 4: just gear it up for it. And it's not unusual

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Speaker 4: that that's where people start, because what they have to

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Speaker 4: do is penetrate, pierce, and then destroy your viability. Her

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Speaker 4: opponents will want to make her look unviable, and unfortunately

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Speaker 4: a lot of that you know, sort of bag mention

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Speaker 4: is gonna come the Democratic side. They'll be on shows

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Speaker 4: today and throughout. Given all the reasons why this is

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Speaker 4: I think it is a brave and courageous run, and

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Speaker 4: I think she can do as well, if not better,

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Speaker 4: hopefully much better than some of the more recent candidates

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Speaker 4: who got close, either going after a cruise or corning.

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Speaker 5: You know. I got to echo Andrew sentiment here here,

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Speaker 5: just because I don't think people get enough credit or

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Speaker 5: give enough credit for individuals who give themselves to run

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Speaker 5: for office, particularly statewide in the South. I like to

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Speaker 5: say that you know, in twenty fourteen, you know, you

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Speaker 5: help chip away at that glass. You have people like

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Speaker 5: Andrew Gillim and Stacy Abrams who helped chip away at

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Speaker 5: that glass after some of us are in. And you know,

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Speaker 5: I just think that it takes so much courage because

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Speaker 5: you you know, what I tell folks is that you

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Speaker 5: have you met anybody halfway pregnant it and that's what

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Speaker 5: it is with you, and that that that not that

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Speaker 5: So I'm very, very proud of Jasmine Crockett for running.

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Speaker 5: If we want to have a conversation about her viability

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Speaker 5: to win, that's another conversation, because I think that she's

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Speaker 5: And I think it's going to be very difficult for

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Speaker 5: the great state of Texas if anybody can do what

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Speaker 5: she can. But I just don't know if anybody wearing

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Speaker 5: through no fault of her own. But we can get

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Speaker 5: to that. I wanted to start it off though by

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Speaker 5: because that in itself as a testament to her strength.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we should let the viewers know that.

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Speaker 3: Of course, she'll have to go through the primary. The

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Speaker 3: Democratic primary was hill Face Congressman tallerco. I believe it's

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Speaker 3: how you say his name, a congressman from Austin, And

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Speaker 3: I think what you're getting at, Bacari is we have

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Speaker 3: been promised for so long that Texas is going to

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Speaker 3: we saw this effort with Betel O'Rourke, who came really close,

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Speaker 3: and it was a lot of excitement around his campaign,

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Speaker 3: and I think there are a lot of competing interest

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Speaker 3: in Texas, right you know. There, our brother Rollad Martin

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Speaker 3: would want us to point out that Texas has numerically

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Speaker 3: the highest number of eligible black voters in the state,

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Speaker 3: and I don't know if that's going to be enough

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Speaker 3: the challenges those mules that you were talking about that

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Speaker 3: even though there's this huge Latino population. Within the Latino community,

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Speaker 3: it will be interesting. I definitely applaud her for jumping

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Speaker 3: coverage of the race with proper context. I would love

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Speaker 3: to see another black woman in the Senate representing the

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Speaker 3: interests of the folks in the longhorned state, but I

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Speaker 3: do think it is fair to acknowledge that it's an

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Speaker 3: uphill battle. I also think this is going to be

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Speaker 3: one of the Senate races that will morph into a

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Speaker 3: national race. We've seen Donald Trump laser focus on black women,

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Speaker 3: particularly effective black women, and so I hope that people

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Speaker 3: can get behind her because I also think Angela that

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Speaker 3: there are a lot of times when we're saying, well,

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Speaker 3: a good effort, but we're gonna see like sometimes let's

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Speaker 3: You know, when you're on that spade table and your

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Speaker 3: partner looking at you like, well, no, I always say,

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Speaker 3: play to win. Play to win. Assume that you want

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Speaker 3: to win as soon the universe is tilted in your favor.

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Speaker 3: So I think we have to give that energy to her.

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Speaker 3: But but what are your thoughts? Because I know she's

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Speaker 1: What do you think about her chances? Well, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to tell you what I think. Right after this fire

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Speaker 1: alarm goes off at the hotel that I'm in. But

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Speaker 1: I also got to stop smoking.

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Speaker 2: So again, it's a fire alarm test.

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Speaker 1: You goofball. That's what you do at hotels, not what

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Speaker 1: I do in hotels. Now, what I would just say quickly,

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Speaker 1: hopefully y'all can't hear this. I really want to hear

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Speaker 1: from the guys, in particular because there are her there.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of folks who are saying, like,

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Speaker 1: why would you even try to run statewide in the

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Speaker 1: South and so, Bakari, you ran for a lieutenant governor,

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Speaker 1: was the Democratic nominee in South Carolina in twenty fourteen.

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Speaker 1: What would you implore jazzmin to do different? And Andrew

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Speaker 1: from your gubernatorial run in twenty eighteen, what would you

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Speaker 1: implore Jazmin to do differently, and what would you implore

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Speaker 5: Keeler for me, one of the things that has made

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Speaker 5: me raise an eyebrow. As one of Congressman Crockett's first

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Speaker 5: talking about whether or not she had to go after

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Speaker 5: Trump voters or other voters, and her response was, I

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Speaker 5: don't necessarily need them, right, And I ascribed to the

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Speaker 5: notion that elections are more about addition and multiplication than

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Speaker 5: they are subtraction and division. And I think that she's

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Speaker 5: talented enough that by not limiting her electorate, she can grow.

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Speaker 5: So that's one thing. The other thing is she has

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Speaker 5: to create an entirely new electric That's something Barack Obama

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Speaker 5: it means that you have an entire new base of voters,

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Speaker 5: which I believe she's going to do extremely well. She's

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Speaker 5: going to raise the money. I think that Texas has

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Speaker 5: But I do think that that she's going to add

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Speaker 5: So, I mean, I think a lot of this is

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Speaker 5: easier race for Jasmin Crockett. I think Cornyn is a

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Speaker 5: Crockett probably has one hundred percent name ID, but throughout Texas,

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Speaker 5: And that is the type of growth and a runway

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Speaker 1: You know, part of what I think is so important.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and to this point, if you asked earlier about

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Speaker 2: You work hard.

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Speaker 1: There are people that she knows very well who have

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Speaker 1: She should talk to them, Tis James, she should talk

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Speaker 3: The balloon Angela, I hope you reiterate all of that.

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Speaker 2: Men who don't vote.

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Speaker 1: So I won't be popping the balloon. But the people

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Speaker 5: This isn't an indictment of Jasmine Crockett. This is more

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Speaker 5: things have to be in place if you're not in

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Speaker 5: a blue state like Massachusetts or New York. And then

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Speaker 5: I wanted to pose a question to y'all because Angela

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Speaker 5: got me kind of fired up about it. But what

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Speaker 5: y'all think about a King Jeffrey saying he won't going

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Speaker 5: to endorse or stay out the race?

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, where play that clip? Where is that at?

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Speaker 5: Oh? Okay, I'll drop it in the I will drop

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Speaker 5: it in the chat. Let me, let me, let me

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Speaker 5: do my best. Let me do my best, Nicholas, and

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Speaker 5: y'all gonna hear me tat of tatter on the back of.

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Speaker 1: That's and get it because I want to make sure

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Speaker 1: we got to we got to fact actuals and factuals,

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Speaker 1: because if he said that there's something that, yeah, we should.

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Speaker 2: Definitely discuss that.

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Speaker 1: So while Bakari is pulling that, we can just run

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Speaker 1: that thing back. But in the meantime, we were talking

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Speaker 1: about people power. So I want us to know that

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Speaker 1: this show is a we also it's not just the

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Speaker 1: four of us city here, it also includes our NLP

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Speaker 1: fam that you are, the viewers.

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Speaker 2: So at this point we're gonna run a viewer question.

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Speaker 7: Let's go I Native Land Pod, Hi, Angela, Andrew and Tiffany,

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Speaker 7: and welcome Baccari. My question is, can we have a

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Speaker 7: mini pod in regards to legacy News media News, who

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Speaker 7: controls them and how they've become complicit in what Trump

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Speaker 7: is doing. As of now, you are not going to

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Speaker 7: hear anybody saying anything that's going to come against what's

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Speaker 7: going on. They're very.

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Speaker 8: Tame.

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Speaker 7: I did a little bit of research and I saw

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Speaker 7: that you know who owns MSNBC, CNN, NBC. But could

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Speaker 7: you guys go deeper dive into it, especially you put it,

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Speaker 7: you know, on a bigger platform, because I think people

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Speaker 7: really need.

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Speaker 6: To know.

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Speaker 7: Who owns and why the news isn't speaking up like

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Speaker 7: they should be.

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Speaker 4: That's really good. Yeah, that's that's a uh. This Netflix

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Speaker 4: Paramount Warner Brothers situation is brought into focus for a

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Speaker 4: lot of people, especially with the threats from the President

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Speaker 4: about making changes at CNN and the guarantees that they

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Speaker 4: say are being made being shuttled between Jerry Kushner, who

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Speaker 4: is on one side of the two deals with regard

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Speaker 4: to the to the to the takeover at Warner Brothers,

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Speaker 4: and the number of interconnected, interwoven billionaire millionaire class in

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Speaker 4: this country who are running our government in a shadowy way,

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Speaker 4: you know, guiding you know the direction in which the

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Speaker 4: administration takes on certain issues, you know, impacting all of this,

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Speaker 4: and much of it is happening behind the veil, not

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Speaker 4: in public. These are private calls and shuttles that are

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Speaker 4: being made between Donald Trump and it closest folks to

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Speaker 4: build this cabal and the Congress that would be ashamed

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Speaker 4: of not, as the Court says, jealously protecting it's its

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Speaker 4: responsibilities to hold this president accountable.

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Speaker 3: As not everybody knows the Netflix, Warner Brothers things that

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Speaker 3: do you want to break it down?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so so for folks who haven't heard this

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Speaker 4: last week, Uh, it was heavy in the news the

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Speaker 4: fact that Netflix the nation's largest I think they've got

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Speaker 4: the largest customer base as it relates to these uh

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Speaker 4: streaming apps. Yeah, streaming platforms had made a I think

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Speaker 4: it was a seventy six billion dollar bid to take

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Speaker 4: over Warner Brothers. And it's seventy two billion and it's

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Speaker 4: over one hundred year catalog of entertainment, big shows to

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Speaker 4: you know, series because what they found in this streaming

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Speaker 4: space is at over half the folks who are streaming

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Speaker 4: are streaming old shows, not new things on television. They're

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Speaker 4: going back to things that they grew up on potentially

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Speaker 4: in streaming those, which I thought was very fascinating, and

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Speaker 4: then I thought about my own habits and I sometimes

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Speaker 4: found myself doing that either way sort of. The Actors Guild,

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Speaker 4: the arts community writ large are against this because they

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Speaker 4: believe it's going to one concentrate really power on all

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Speaker 4: sides of a negotiation to do just one of these

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Speaker 4: companies fewer games in town, which tends to one layoff

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Speaker 4: employees and drive up the costs. So for those of

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Speaker 4: us who get subscriptions, you may be consolidating them, but

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Speaker 4: in the total you end up paying, you end up

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Speaker 4: paying more. So it sounds like a deal, but isn't

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Speaker 4: a deal at all. But the consolidation of media part

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Speaker 4: we really all have to be paying attention to, because

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Speaker 4: there's already too many closure relationships to take actions to

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Speaker 4: then make that Cabald even smaller and thereby stronger I

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Speaker 4: think Bear's consequences as well.

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Speaker 3: So just so folks know, there was quite a bidding war.

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Speaker 3: So it was one of brothers technically Warner Brothers Discovery,

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Speaker 3: but then when they merge with this is happening, the

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Speaker 3: consolidation of a lot of these companies, what is happening.

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Speaker 3: David Zaslov was over Discovery. David Zaslov is, according to

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Speaker 3: the reporting, is rumored to lean right and be more

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Speaker 3: of a conservative. And so as this bidding war was happening,

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Speaker 3: there were a lot of eyes paying attention to see

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Speaker 3: who was going to buy this company, because as you

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Speaker 3: all know, Warner Brothers include CNN, HBO, and when you

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Speaker 3: think about the really big franchises that people watch Game

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Speaker 3: of Thrones, think about all your favorite shows on HBO.

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Speaker 3: The streaming giant will then have access to that. And

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Speaker 3: so after this, after Netflix has acquired Warner Brothers, a

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Speaker 3: lot of people held their breast. What does this mean

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Speaker 3: for CNN? So in this deal they did not they

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Speaker 3: will not acquire CNN. CNN will now be a part

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Speaker 3: of its own group that I believe. You guys correct

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Speaker 3: me if I'm wrong, but I believe that will still

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Speaker 3: remain under the control of Zaslov. But yet, to your point, Andrew,

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Speaker 3: what this means for entertainers, what this means for writers, directors?

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Speaker 3: All these things remains to be seen. As we've seen,

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Speaker 3: streaming has completely changed the field. But certainly when it

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Speaker 3: comes to our news outlets and who they feed into.

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Speaker 3: Comcast owns, MSNBC, CNN, like I said, will remain under

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Speaker 3: Warner Brothers. Fox, when you think about how incestuous that

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Speaker 3: is so Fox, Wall Street Journal, HarperCollins, all of these

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Speaker 3: things feed up, funnel up into the same conservative outlets.

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Speaker 3: So this is I think the caller for the question.

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Speaker 3: This is something that I would love to do a

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Speaker 3: mini pod on.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna dig deep into some stuff that is pretty

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Speaker 5: interesting in the courts with the Courts with our guest

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Speaker 5: Elie Mistel on the other side of the break, let

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Speaker 5: us pay some bills.

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Speaker 1: Well, I wanted to if we can pivot back to

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Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett. We were talking just a moment ago about Hakim.

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Speaker 1: Jeffries said in a recent press conference, Nick, can we

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Speaker 1: roll that clip?

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Speaker 8: Well, I think I'm obviously focused on the House, not

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Speaker 8: the Senate, and we're only three seats short of taking

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Speaker 8: back the majority, and we are going to take the

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Speaker 8: majority back in the next Congress. The Republicans have been

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Speaker 8: a disaster. They're totally on the run. They failed the

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Speaker 8: American people. The cost of living is out of control.

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Speaker 8: Democrats are the only group of people in this town

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Speaker 8: and across the country actually interested in dealing with the

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Speaker 8: affordability crisis. That's where our focus continue to be.

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Speaker 5: I think that the clip didn't necessarily encapsulate the question,

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Speaker 5: But the question was asked, are you going to support?

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Speaker 5: I mean, are you going to endorse Jasmine Crockett? And

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Speaker 5: that was his response. His response was, I'm focused on

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Speaker 5: the I'm focused on the House, which of course is

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Speaker 5: his job. With three seats away. He pivoted and moved on.

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Speaker 5: I just think that in this in this world where

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Speaker 5: information moves fast, disinformation misinformation moves fast. He did say

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Speaker 5: that she was strong and formidable in those type of things.

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Speaker 5: I just wanted to know your thoughts on it, because

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Speaker 5: I know that he has been drawing a lot of

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Speaker 5: heat from all sides, particularly those of us who support him,

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Speaker 5: are questioning some decisions, and I don't I don't, you know,

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Speaker 5: I think Nancy Pelosi handles things differently. I don't. I

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Speaker 5: don't know. I just think that she handled things with

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Speaker 5: a kind of, you know, a testicular fortitude that isn't

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Speaker 5: necessarily displayed often or all the time by by Kim Jeffrey.

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Speaker 5: So that was my that I'm not saying I'm critical it.

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Speaker 5: I just wanted to hear your thoughts on the non endorsement.

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Speaker 5: She's cool, though, you know.

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Speaker 1: I'm just I'm not going in too deep here, but

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Speaker 1: I will just say this. I think that context also matters.

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Speaker 1: I hate when people clip our stuff without context, so

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Speaker 1: let me just give context.

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Speaker 2: People might get mad, but it is what it is.

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Speaker 1: This was a press conference in the House, the typical

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Speaker 1: weekly press conference they have, and the press conference was

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Speaker 1: about the Republicans refusing to support I really think Andrew's

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Speaker 1: fall asleep.

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Speaker 2: This was about Uh, the.

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Speaker 5: I just watching it.

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Speaker 4: It's really hard because you're you're want to be like

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Speaker 4: really intensive in your hearing, but then your body is.

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Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, Andrew, go get some water. Put

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Speaker 2: some water in your face.

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Speaker 5: Chet about to about to do Andrew some coffee and

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Speaker 5: some coked.

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Speaker 2: Get like Coca co Jesus, y'all pray for our brother.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, The frustration here is that this was about their

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Speaker 1: many failed attempts to get Republicans to side with voters

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Speaker 1: and everyday Americans on healthcare subsidies and extending the healthcare subsidies.

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Speaker 1: They have until the end of the year before people's

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Speaker 1: subsidies skyrocket. And so he's asked about the announcement, and

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Speaker 1: that's not the purpose of this particular press conference. It's

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Speaker 1: policy based, not necessarily political unless he's talking about and

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Speaker 1: he's been disciplined about it.

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Speaker 2: Do I like the response?

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Speaker 1: No, No, I don't like the response, but I do

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Speaker 1: appreciate the fact that the that the context matters. I

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Speaker 1: think that it sucks because Jasmine has gone so hard

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Speaker 1: for Hakim hard, and I think that he owes her

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Speaker 1: not just a bit of gratitude, but also loyalty.

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Speaker 2: In that same way.

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Speaker 1: So I hope that he comes back around and makes

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Speaker 1: that clear when the timing is right, maybe get.

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Speaker 2: Enough conference.

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Speaker 4: That we get enough rope that every other candidate who's

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Speaker 4: white and male gets Whenever they enter a race, everyone

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Speaker 4: doesn't rush to They can't raise the money, and oh

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Speaker 4: are they going to be viable amongst the black constituency,

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Speaker 4: which is going to be the base vote that will

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Speaker 4: depend on an election day? You know, none of that

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Speaker 4: level of scrutiny. But the moment you put a transcending candidate,

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Speaker 4: you know in there something that's not the norm, then

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Speaker 4: it's everything's all speculative. Now this is a gamble, and

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Speaker 4: so much is at stake, And do we really want

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Speaker 4: to split our resources between this race and a Senate race?

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Speaker 4: Why don't we just throw all of our money into

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Speaker 4: one of those? I mean, just the games that are played.

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Speaker 4: There's no real fealty to sessing out what's the best. Necessarily,

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Speaker 4: there's this there's this negotiation we do amongst ourselves, negotiating

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Speaker 4: away from ourselves. It's it's crazy Republicans don't negotiate against themselves.

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Speaker 4: They go all in.

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Speaker 5: To andrew point. They push to Andrew's point that the

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Speaker 5: context that I also think matters, is I compared to

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Speaker 5: the Nancy Pelosi but like she is one of his

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Speaker 5: caucus members, and yeah, and he ain't. Terre Leko ain't.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's not like there is a decision to

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Speaker 5: be made or to be had. And I know Nancy

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Speaker 5: and I may be wrong, Angela, you actually are way

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Speaker 5: more keen than in depth. But I do believe that

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Speaker 5: there was times when Nancy Pelosi had caucus members run

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Speaker 5: for something else and when they announced, she was I'm

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Speaker 5: right there with them, you know, I'm missing I love him.

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Speaker 5: She might not even like them that much, but she

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Speaker 5: was always ten toes down for her caucus members. And

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Speaker 5: I just think that people remember that because it's not

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Speaker 5: that distant and are questioning it now. That's my only point.

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Speaker 2: I guess.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you could say that, but Hakeim is not

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Speaker 1: the chair of the Congressional Black Caucus. He's the chair

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Speaker 1: of or he is the or the Democratic leader of

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Speaker 1: the House. So technically Talla, Rico, Tyreko, Tyrek and nem

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Speaker 1: is in his caucus. It's the Democratic Caucus.

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Speaker 2: Democratic.

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Speaker 5: He's not a member of the House, oh lord, He's

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Speaker 5: a member of the tech No he's a member of

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Speaker 5: the Teche.

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Speaker 1: Prom but generally speaking, but generally speaking, to be fair,

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Speaker 1: democratic leadership normally does stay out of things in their

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Speaker 1: primary stage. I am with you to be fair that

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Speaker 1: I think he should have said something about Jasmine. I

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Speaker 1: said that Jasmine was a writer for him. I said

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Speaker 1: that Jasmine has had his back. Now here's the place

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Speaker 1: where I'm a different with you on Nancy Pelosi. I've

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Speaker 1: watched Nancy Pelosi pit members against each other, and we're

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Speaker 1: talking about her, how she's such a writer. She wasn't

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Speaker 1: a writer for Kamala Harris. She was calling for an

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Speaker 1: open premier, open convention, sorry, not an open primary, open convention.

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Speaker 2: Since we messing up today.

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Speaker 1: Charge that to andrews Cole means getting its way all

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Speaker 1: the way to Jacksonville where I'm at. Now, Okay, that said,

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Speaker 1: I did want to tell you all really quickly. We

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Speaker 1: know our good friend Terrence Woodbury is working with Jasmine

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Speaker 1: on this campaign, and I asked him to send us

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Speaker 1: a response into this article from notice UH which talks

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Speaker 1: about the NRSC, which is the Republican Senatorial Committee having

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Speaker 1: an astro turf recruitment process, which would have encouraged Jasmin

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Speaker 1: Crockett to run. They said that they started to include

686
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Speaker 1: her name in polling to see if she would bite.

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Speaker 1: And they try trying to exclaim credit for this, that

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Speaker 1: they wanted the least viable candidate in this race against

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Speaker 1: John cornn Er, whoever wins the Republican primary, and they're

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Speaker 1: trying to say that they they're the reasons why, the

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Speaker 1: reason why she decided to run. So Terrence Woodbury's response,

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Speaker 1: I think is worth noting. He says, Republicans recruiting Crockett

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Speaker 1: because she is less electable is as silly as Dems

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Speaker 1: recruiting Trump or Republicans recruiting Obama because they are less electable,

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Speaker 1: because they both have something in common with Jasmin Crockett.

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Speaker 1: One the ability to expand the elector with frustrated voters

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Speaker 1: that otherwise think all politicians are the same. Two the

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Speaker 1: ability to gain and keep media attention long enough to

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Speaker 1: make the case to those frustrated voters that are ignoring

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Speaker 1: other politicians. Any generic Democrat Democrat can get to forty

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Speaker 1: five percent in Texas, Jasmine is the only one that

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Speaker 1: can break through to the eight million Texas voters that

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Speaker 1: have tuned other politicians out and if she can get

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Speaker 1: just ten percent of them to believe in her enough

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Speaker 1: to vote, she is the next Senator from Texas. I

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Speaker 1: thought that was a great point from Terrence. I love

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Speaker 1: the way that he broke it down in numbers only

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Speaker 1: like Upholster would. Terrence would very of course from hit strategies.

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Speaker 1: And of course at this point we're gonna pivot to

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Speaker 1: somebody else that is an expert among us, and that

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Speaker 1: is to our good friend Ellie Missole, a Supreme Court expert,

712
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Speaker 1: the person we always turn to when it's way too

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Speaker 1: much going down with the Supreme Court. There is a

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Speaker 1: lot happening, three cases in particular we want to talk

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Speaker 1: to Ellie about. So let's bring Ellie Mistyle to the show.

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Speaker 6: Hi, guys, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy.

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Speaker 4: I thought the big deserved acknowledgement.

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Speaker 5: That's Delhi, Thank you.

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Speaker 6: I don't want to let the Democratic Minority leader slide

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Speaker 6: on his non endorsement of Crockett and basically to right

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Speaker 6: or or basically the last three weeks of Hakem Jeffries experience,

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Speaker 6: because what that has told me, beyond a shadow of

724
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Speaker 6: a doubt, is that Hakeem Jefferies does not want to

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Speaker 6: be the leader of the opposition party to fascism and

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Speaker 6: authoritarianism in this country. What he wants to be is

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Speaker 6: the leader of the Democratic Party. And the analogy that

728
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Speaker 6: I would use here is like, right now we're on

729
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Speaker 6: a bus. Right Trump is driving the bus, Mike Johnson

730
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Speaker 6: is driving the bus. Hakeem Jeffries is like, hey, I'm

731
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Speaker 6: three votes away from driving the bus. I really want

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Speaker 6: to drive this bus. That is my that is my focus. Angela.

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Speaker 6: You said he is very disciplined. Absolutely, I'll give them

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Speaker 6: credit for that. The man knows. The man is disciplined,

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Speaker 6: and what he thinks he's doing, and what he wants

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Speaker 6: to do is drive the bus. He doesn't want to

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Speaker 6: blow up the bus. He doesn't want to get off

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Speaker 6: the bus. He doesn't want to get us off the bus.

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Speaker 6: He wants to drive the bus. And he's promising us, Oh,

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Speaker 6: when I'm driving the bus will go to better places.

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Speaker 6: We need to blow up the bus and takeem. Jeffries

742
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Speaker 6: is not that guy. That's that's not shade, that is fact.

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Speaker 6: He is not the guy who wants to be the

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Speaker 6: leader of the opposition to fascism in this country. Cheron

745
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Speaker 6: doesn't want it Durwan doesn't want it, the Newsom doesn't

746
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Speaker 6: want it, Shapiro doesn't want it. We don't have democrats

747
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Speaker 6: right now who want to oppose fascism we want we

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Speaker 6: have democrats who want to wait for their turn to

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Speaker 6: be in charge of the wheels of power. They don't

750
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Speaker 6: want to use a Game of Thrones analogy. They're just

751
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Speaker 6: waiting for their turn on the wheel. They don't want

752
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Speaker 6: to break it. And at some point a leader needs

753
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Speaker 6: to emerge who is going to tell us how to

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Speaker 6: break the wheel of fascism, how to break the wheel

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Speaker 6: of the oligarts, because that is what the country is

756
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Speaker 6: crying out for right there. There are not people out there,

757
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 6: are not people out here who just want to replace

758
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Speaker 6: the figureheads at the top and find one that's a

759
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 6: little bit more. And that's why Crockett has, you know,

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Speaker 6: a lot of support right now. That's why Mundami won

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Speaker 6: in New York. The people who are willing to tell

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Speaker 6: us how to break the wheel are gonna be our

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Speaker 6: leaders of the future. And and and Jeffries is not

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Speaker 6: that guy, which is not saying that I'm not gonna look,

765
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Speaker 6: I'm gonna spend the next year of my life until

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Speaker 6: we get to the twenty twenty six mid terms, telling

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Speaker 6: everybody within earshot about how Hockeing Jeffries must be the

768
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Speaker 6: next Speaker of the House, how the Democrats need to

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Speaker 6: take control of the House, how that has to happen,

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Speaker 6: and that we have to support Democrats and we I'm

771
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Speaker 6: gonna do all the things, right. I'm not not gonna vote.

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Speaker 6: I'm not I'm not stephen A. Smith, right, like I'm rational, right,

773
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 6: and and so I understand what needs to happen politically,

774
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Speaker 6: but in terms of what this country needs to defeat

775
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Speaker 6: the authoritarians and the fascists and the biggots and the

776
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Speaker 6: racists and the misogynists that are running roughshod over our

777
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 6: country on over our rights. Hakim Jeffries is not the

778
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Speaker 6: leader of the opposition movement, and we need one.

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Speaker 2: Well at our reach.

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Speaker 5: Resident Collie, Let's take take up an offering.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the doors of the church might might now be open,

782
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Speaker 1: but now they're going to be open to the Supreme Court. So, ellie,

783
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Speaker 1: all hill is breaking loose in every branch of the government,

784
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Speaker 1: So please take us over to the Supreme Court.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where you even want to begin.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you want to start in campaign

787
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Speaker 1: finance or if you want to go somewhere else, but

788
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Speaker 1: let's get it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so look at thirty thousand feet. Every time I

790
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 6: come on your show, every time I call on every show,

791
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 6: I try to tell Democrats, liberals, progressives, black people, Latino people,

792
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 6: anybody who will listen to me, that if you do

793
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 6: not control the Supreme Court, you do not control anything.

794
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 6: There is no liberal agenda, there is no democratic agenda,

795
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 6: there is no progressive agenda. There is no black agenda

796
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 6: that can survive. Generational control of the Supreme Court by

797
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 6: six conservatives, Republican fascists in ropes, nothing happens, you don't

798
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Speaker 6: get anything. And the Supreme Court this year, since they

799
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Speaker 6: got back to work, actually even before they officially got

800
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 6: back to work, this year has has proven my point.

801
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Speaker 6: All they have done is rubber snamp the MAGA, administer

802
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Speaker 6: the MAGA policies. And it starts. It started in September

803
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Speaker 6: on the shadow docket when the Supreme Court in Brett

804
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Speaker 6: Kavanaugh reconstitutionalize racial profiling. Like I'm not sure that everybody

805
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,839
Speaker 6: fully grasps this, but like racial profiling is back and constitutional,

806
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 6: and Brett Kavanagh says it is just common sense, and

807
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 6: that is what And so Ice is now explicitly by

808
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 6: the Supreme Court allowed to racially profile people as they

809
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 6: arrest and detained in their ridiculous search for illegal immigrants. Right, Like,

810
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Speaker 6: that's just back on the table that was September. The

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Speaker 6: Supreme Court has agreed finally, and I'm not surprised to

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Speaker 6: hear the birthright citizenship case on the merits and so

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Speaker 6: I think that's the logical place to start, because birthright

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Speaker 6: citizenship is a fundamental right in this country, right, a

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Speaker 6: right given to us after the Civil War by the

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Speaker 6: Fourteenth Amendment. Right that says that you are a citizen

817
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Speaker 6: of where you are born, not where your parents are born.

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Speaker 6: And the Supreme Court and the Conservatives want to take

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Speaker 6: that away and return us to truly an antebellum, a

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Speaker 6: pre Civil War state of affairs. And I say that

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Speaker 6: because you have to understand why birthright citizenship is here

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Speaker 6: in the first place, right, Like, yes, it was here

823
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Speaker 6: to provide citizenship to newly freed Africans after the Civil War. Yes, great,

824
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Speaker 6: but what was it really changed? What the Fourteenth Amendment

825
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,720
Speaker 6: did was create an entirely new concept in this country

826
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Speaker 6: called the American citizen. See before the Fourteenth Amendment, in

827
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Speaker 6: the pre Civil War War days, citizenship did not flowed

828
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Speaker 6: down from the federal government. It flowed up from the states.

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Speaker 6: So whether you were a citizen of the United States America,

830
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Speaker 6: there was no such thing. You were a citizen of Georgia,

831
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Speaker 6: you were a citizen of Missouri, you were a citizen

832
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Speaker 6: of New York. That's how they did it, and that's

833
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Speaker 6: why we had a war, because obviously Missouri was like,

834
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Speaker 6: black people can't be citizens, and Illinois was like, actually,

835
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Speaker 6: black people can't be citizens, and you can't have a

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Speaker 6: country with those. You can't have a country where your

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Speaker 6: citizenship changes depending on which side of the railroad track

838
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Speaker 6: you live on. That's unworkable and led to the bloodiest

839
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Speaker 6: war in American history. The Fourteenth Amendment solved all that

840
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Speaker 6: by saying, all right, we're not going to have every

841
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Speaker 6: state doing what they want. One standard of citizenship, a

842
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 6: federal standard citizenship, an American standard of citizenship. Right, So

843
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 6: that's number one why it's here. The second reason why

844
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Speaker 6: it's here, and you'll see Republicans always talk, well, you know,

845
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Speaker 6: Western Europe doesn't do birthright citizenship no, they don't because

846
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 6: they're colonialists. Having citizenship be based on where your parents

847
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 6: are from, specifically where your father is from, is a

848
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 6: colonial idea because it allowed the French and the British

849
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Speaker 6: and the Dutch and whatever to go all over the

850
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Speaker 6: world rape and pillage other people's countries and when they

851
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Speaker 6: produced offspring and other places of the world. Oh no, no, no,

852
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 6: you weren't a citizen of Vietnam. No no, no, you

853
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 6: were still French. No no, no, you're not a citizen of Ghana.

854
00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 6: You're still English. Like that is why they did it

855
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:46,959
Speaker 6: that way. When you get to the New World, which

856
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 6: is a country of immigrants, having citizenship tied to where

857
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 6: your parents are from was unworkable because then you're all

858
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 6: English citizens, then you're all Dutch citizens, then you're all right.

859
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 6: So the New World adopted an idea that your citizenship

860
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 6: was tied to your both birth and that existed for

861
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 6: white people before the Civil War, right like when people

862
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 6: are saying saying, oh, it's how Western Europe does it,

863
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 6: why don't we do that? White folks before the Civil War,

864
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,919
Speaker 6: their citizenship was based on the state that they were

865
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 6: born in, not the state where their parents were born

866
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 6: in right, you didn't have William Pennah, I'm not a

867
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 6: citizen of Pennsylvania. I'm actually a citizen of jolly old England. No,

868
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 6: that's not how white people rolled, right. So the idea

869
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 6: that your citizenship is tied to your parents is a

870
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 6: colonial idea. The New World rejected that. And not just America, Canada, Mexico, Venezuela,

871
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:40,360
Speaker 6: and Brazil, El Saltley the name a country in the

872
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 6: New World, almost all of them have birthright citizenship as

873
00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 6: opposed to Old World citizenship. And that leasing to my

874
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 6: third and final point. I'm talking to you about the law,

875
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 6: about why the fourteenth Amendment is written the way it is.

876
00:47:54,280 --> 00:48:01,879
Speaker 6: But there's also a level of disgusting moral apocrisy when

877
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 6: a nation of colonizers, usurpers, and thieves purports to say

878
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 6: that a person born in these lands is not a

879
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 6: citizen of these lands, and actually it's based on where

880
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 6: their parents are born. Right. We stole this country from

881
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 6: people who wait for it. We're born here, we're born here.

882
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,919
Speaker 6: We stole this country from people who were born here.

883
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 6: And now we're gonna where the Republicans want to say,

884
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 6: even if you're born here, you don't get to be

885
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:36,880
Speaker 6: a citizen in this nation that we've created on stolen land.

886
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 6: There is a disgusting layer of moral hypocrisy underlying the

887
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:47,479
Speaker 6: entire project to end birthright citizenship. Of course, you didn't

888
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 6: bring me on to tell you why birthright citizenship of supportant.

889
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 6: You brought me on to explain why the Supreme Court

890
00:48:52,680 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 6: is about to take it away, and on that particular question.

891
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: But Ellie, Ellie, this is important context, and I want you,

892
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: if you can, in this next portion of your response,

893
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: to talk about why folks who may be at home,

894
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 1: folks who look like us, you know, parents are born

895
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 1: here here for multiple generations, we're stolen from, you know,

896
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: our original land.

897
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 2: Right.

898
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: But there are some of us, some folks who look

899
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:17,840
Speaker 1: like us, who are like, well, this isn't going to

900
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: apply to us, because this is really about the immigrants

901
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: that we're mad at for taking our opportunities and they

902
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: got our jobs and this and that. So they're thinking

903
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: that this birthright citizenship case, if they've heard about it,

904
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: is going to target children of immigrants, not necessarily us.

905
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: Can you talk about why.

906
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 5: That is also inherently really really good question, Angela, particularly

907
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,479
Speaker 5: about the politics around a really good question.

908
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 6: Yeah. So for people who think that this is only

909
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:47,720
Speaker 6: going to affect Latino or legal immigrants, I would ask you, guys,

910
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 6: this proven prove that you prove that your parents were

911
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 6: citizens in the United States. When they ask you, how

912
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,240
Speaker 6: are you going to do that? Right? They don't always

913
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 6: keep great req on where we were stolen from and

914
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 6: where we came from, not all of us. I happened

915
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 6: to be able to trace at least a part of

916
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 6: my lineage all the way back to a plantation that

917
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 6: was freed when Sherman came marching through the South. Most

918
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 6: black people aren't that lucky. Most black people don't have

919
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 6: that kind of record keeping in their family tree. So

920
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 6: when the ice agent, when the government agent comes into

921
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 6: the maternity ward and says, well, I don't think that

922
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 6: you are that your baby is a citizenship is a

923
00:50:30,719 --> 00:50:34,720
Speaker 6: citizen because I can't prove that you're a citizen, because

924
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 6: I can't prove that your citizenship is not also derived

925
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 6: from birthright citizenship. How are you going to prove that

926
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 6: it's not? How are you going to prove that you

927
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 6: actually were brought over here on the second ship of

928
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 6: Dutch settlers that had fourteen slaves to build the wall

929
00:50:52,560 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 6: on Wall Street, Manhattan. How are you going to prove

930
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 6: that you go back that far? I know that there

931
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 6: are atos people out here just like this is great

932
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 6: for us. Prove it, prove it. And because you, the

933
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 6: black person will be asked to prove it, while John

934
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:12,440
Speaker 6: Hinton Meister, the third with that German ass name, is

935
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 6: never gonna be asked to prove that they are citizenship

936
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 6: by dentt of their fathers. There's also an issue about

937
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 6: when they if they try to change this, citizenship will

938
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,440
Speaker 6: be directed through who the father or the mother? Right,

939
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 6: because they're all anchor babies or shit all that. So

940
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 6: how how do you do what if you have one

941
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 6: parent who is a citizen and one who wasn't. Is

942
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 6: that gonnaccount? And which parent? And do you have records

943
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 6: of that parent?

944
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 5: Right?

945
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 6: Maybe your mother was an illegal immigrant who came here,

946
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 6: but your father was you know, not only your father.

947
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,879
Speaker 6: You can't even find him to pay child support, much

948
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 6: less find him to produce his birth certificate.

949
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 2: Right.

950
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,840
Speaker 6: So again, if you think that this is only gonna

951
00:51:56,840 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 6: affect the obvious Latino illegal immigrants, prove it. How are

952
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 6: you going to prove that you were allowed to be here,

953
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 6: because that is a That is the second question that

954
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 6: these people will ask you when they try to send

955
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 6: you back to wherever the hell they think that you're

956
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:14,360
Speaker 6: supposed to be from.

957
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 4: Nobody knows.

958
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 2: I want to just really quickly.

959
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: Andrew is not feeling well, So Andrew's gonna gonna go

960
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:32,319
Speaker 1: for the rest of the day. I know he's gonna

961
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: go get some rest, so we're gonna let him go

962
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: so you can sleep, sleep off this mucinex or whatever

963
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 1: he took to get better. But Ellie, because Andrew's leaving,

964
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: I got a quick follow up. That question is you

965
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: guys that don't know that I've been dealing with medical

966
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: stuff with my mom, so I had to find her

967
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: birth certificate recently.

968
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 2: And this is crazy.

969
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 1: Like to Ellie's point, think about these technicalities, which we've

970
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 1: also seen like with voting records too. On my mom's

971
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: original birth certificate, they re ordered her name and her

972
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: first name, so she had to get an updated birth

973
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: certificate with her name as it is originally ordered. But

974
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: who's to say that these folks won't say no, you

975
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 1: know that doesn't count. This is not so now even

976
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: maybe her citizenship is challenged our elders.

977
00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 2: My grandmother when she passed was one hundred and five.

978
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: When you talk about one hundred years ago, our records

979
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 1: in the South weren't tight.

980
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 2: So our names are wrong, birth years are wrong.

981
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: My dad's mom, y'all, she has three different Social Security

982
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: guards with three different from three different birth years. She's

983
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: now passed. But if we start really peeling the layer

984
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 1: of this onion back, this is treacherous for black folks

985
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 1: in this country who have been here for most situations.

986
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 2: I will yield hied.

987
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 6: Citizenship should not be tied to clerical stuff, right, Like

988
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 6: we shouldn't be relying on the white racist matron at

989
00:53:55,239 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 6: the maternity Ward and Selma, Alabama in nineteen oh for

990
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 6: to figure out whether or not your grandkid is a

991
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:07,600
Speaker 6: citizen of the country that they were born in. That's

992
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 6: just not a And again I go back to the

993
00:54:09,840 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 6: pre Civil War or situation. It's not a workable solution,

994
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 6: right because what happens if the Supreme Court takes away

995
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 6: birthright citizenship is that will probably devolve back into separate states. Right,

996
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 6: so they'll say, Okay, you're not a citizen in the

997
00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 6: United States. So if you're a legal immigrant and immediately,

998
00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 6: Kathy Hokel Gafa Newsom, they'll pass a law saying, well,

999
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 6: you're a citizen of California regard if you're born in California.

1000
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 6: Like that. That is the next thing that that's the

1001
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 6: liberal response to all of this, and that brings us

1002
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 6: right back to where we were in eighteen fifty seven

1003
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 6: in the dread Scott decision, where you're going to have

1004
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:49,360
Speaker 6: a class of people who are citizens in one state

1005
00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 6: but aren't citizens in another state. You'll have a class

1006
00:54:51,760 --> 00:54:54,840
Speaker 6: of people who are who are citizens in California but

1007
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 6: then lose their citizenship when they travel to Texas, who

1008
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 6: lose their ability, their record, their record, the providence of

1009
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 6: their records when they travel across state lines. And again,

1010
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 6: we have literally tried it this way before and it

1011
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 6: led to war. So I don't understand always people's apathy

1012
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 6: towards this particular issue, and I do think that part

1013
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 6: of it is racialized. They think it's only going to

1014
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 6: hurt a certain class of people and not all classes

1015
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 6: of people that white folks want to hurt, and that

1016
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 6: is just not true. But because of its unworkability, that's

1017
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,319
Speaker 6: why I say I'm not sure that Trump wins this one.

1018
00:55:36,360 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 6: This is one of the only cases up where I

1019
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:43,879
Speaker 6: can't immediately say, oh, Trump has six votes, right, he might,

1020
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,200
Speaker 6: and oral arguments haven't happened, and I will listen to

1021
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 6: those closely and have much better sense after these people

1022
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 6: start talking. But on spec I can't fully I can't

1023
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 6: necessarily count to six votes count to five votes for

1024
00:56:00,840 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 6: Trump on this issue. I'm not saying that he won't win.

1025
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 6: I'm just saying that of the cases, you know, there's

1026
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 6: a class of cases that I know he's gonna win,

1027
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:10,799
Speaker 6: and this is not one of them. I don't know

1028
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 6: that he's gonna win this one because blowing up the

1029
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 6: fourteenth Amendment, remember by executive fiat, Like he's trying to

1030
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 6: change the text and the meaning of the fourteenth Amendment,

1031
00:56:22,880 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 6: not through legislation, not through a constitutional amendment, just through

1032
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 6: some like podunked executive order. It's a lot for the

1033
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 6: Supreme Court to say Trump can change the Constitution by

1034
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,759
Speaker 6: executive order. They might, they might say it, but they also,

1035
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 6: like literally they just might not that might. This might

1036
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 6: be actually the bridge too far. And there's also the

1037
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 6: political balance here that I'm sure McCary thinks about a lot.

1038
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 6: You if you're if you make Trump lose here, you're

1039
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 6: gonna have a whole series of center right stories from

1040
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 6: mainstream media, from the New York Times in the Washington Post,

1041
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 6: from all those guys saying, ah, as we can clearly

1042
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 6: see the Supreme Court is legitimate and reasonable. Right, the

1043
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,320
Speaker 6: Supreme Court is taking a lot of heat right now

1044
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,319
Speaker 6: and having this one decision, which is completely coogle for

1045
00:57:11,360 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 6: cocabus bonkers away from Trump will will trigger a bunch

1046
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 6: of mainstream and right wing media being like, ah this, ah, yes,

1047
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 6: the Supreme Court totally reasonable, toyal, legitimate, so we should

1048
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 6: so now we can clearly see that all the other

1049
00:57:25,840 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 6: things that they've done, like taking away voting rights, jerrymandering,

1050
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 6: anti trans stuff, all of that is fine because clearly

1051
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 6: they're just following the law. They're not beholden to Trump. So, like,

1052
00:57:35,840 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 6: you also have political value for the Supreme Court and

1053
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 6: standing up to Trump on this issue, which is so

1054
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 6: is so beyond the pale of normal constitutional law. That's

1055
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 6: another reason why I think he could lose this, and

1056
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,040
Speaker 6: then I'll have to come on all the shows explaining

1057
00:57:53,080 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 6: why the Supreme Court still sucks even though you had

1058
00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 6: this one good.

1059
00:57:56,640 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 5: Decision isn't this the politics of John rob though more

1060
00:58:01,120 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 5: so than anything else. I mean, what we've seen is

1061
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 5: there that John Roberts will. You know, we've had some

1062
00:58:05,600 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 5: surprises from Amy Cony Barrett as well. But John Roberts

1063
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 5: oftentimes will take the side with the liberal justices or

1064
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 5: pull somebody with him to preserve the quote unquote integrity,

1065
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 5: or if he sees the court slipping away in the

1066
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 5: pages of history, he attempts to salvage his court.

1067
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 6: I mean you said often. I don't know that it's

1068
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 6: often anymore.

1069
00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 5: Not often, but at every every blue moon or so.

1070
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 6: Every now and again, Roberts will will join levels. And

1071
00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:31,760
Speaker 6: really I have a little bit more faith on a

1072
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 6: llegit tempt at rapist Kavanaugh than Barrett because Caveall is

1073
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 6: also more susceptible to the political wins one, you know,

1074
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 6: to armchair psycle analyze Kavanaugh. He desperately wants to be liked.

1075
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 6: He desperately wants to be treated in the press like

1076
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 6: Roberts is treated in the press. Now he will never

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Speaker 6: be because he's an alleged tempt at rapist and also

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00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 6: a freaking idiot. But he wants what Roberts has and

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00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 6: so sometimes Kavanaugh can be pulled on these political strings,

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Speaker 6: I think even more so than than Barrett can can,

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Speaker 6: who to the extent that she's ever moderated, it comes

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00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 6: from a very doctrinal position, as supposed to Kavanaugh, who's

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00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 6: just trying to get a good press hit. And then Roberts,

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Speaker 6: I think for Cari, you're right that he will occasionally

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Speaker 6: at least pretend to care about the legitimacy and stature

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Speaker 6: of the Supreme Court. So all of that can again,

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00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 6: I can listen to oral arguments and in an hour,

1088
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 6: I can tell you, wait, no, I was wrong. But

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Speaker 6: as I stand now, before they've heard arguments on the case,

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Speaker 6: I don't know that he has five votes for this.

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00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 6: I know he's got to I know he's got Thomas,

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00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 6: and I know he's got Alida, but I don't know

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00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:44,880
Speaker 6: that he's got Roberts, Barrett and Kavanaugh. And then Gorsich

1094
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 6: can get really Gorsich can get really textual on these issues.

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00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 6: And there's also with Gorsish you also have to remember,

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Speaker 6: you know, I sometimes jokingly call him the last Justice

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Speaker 6: of the Mohicans, Neil Gorsich, those Native Americans. He is,

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Speaker 6: he is Dale Day Lewis, he is out there. Any

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Speaker 6: decision involving Native Americans is something where where Gorcious can

1100
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 6: be relied upon to vote with the liberals. It's it's

1101
01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:16,800
Speaker 6: the one good thing in his portfolio. And you can

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Speaker 6: make an argument that taking away birthright citizenship also significantly

1103
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 6: negatively impacts Native Americans, and if you hit that argument right,

1104
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 6: you'll get Gorsic too. So again, I could be I

1105
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 6: don't want to I hate. I never want to sound naive.

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01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 6: I know exactly what this court is capable of. They're

1107
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 6: capable of giving Trump the win on birthright citizenship. I

1108
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:38,440
Speaker 6: just don't know that they will.

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Speaker 3: Elliott.

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Speaker 5: I gotta go ahead, Go ahead, Tiffany, because I was

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01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,040
Speaker 5: gonna ry something up to you, Tiffany and Angela. But

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Speaker 5: go ahead, Tiffany. I want to hear you perspective jump in.

1113
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Speaker 2: I don't.

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01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 3: I don't want to take us away from where you

1115
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,120
Speaker 3: were going. So remember where we were, because I'd love

1116
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 3: to hear your question. But I just wanted to ask you.

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Speaker 2: Ellie.

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Speaker 3: You know, the Scotus is off limits to cameras, so

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01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 3: we never hear what's being said. And I've asked this

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01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,560
Speaker 3: question before, but I've never posed this question to you.

1121
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 3: Is it helpful to us that we don't get to

1122
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 3: see what's being said during SCOTUS hearings or is it

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01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,840
Speaker 3: more harmful, Like would it become kabuki theater if there

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01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 3: were cameras there? Would people you know, be like you said,

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01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 3: Kavanaugh wants the next press hit. Or would it provide

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Speaker 3: more transparency for the American people even though we can

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01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 3: see the opinions and read the transcripts, there might be

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Speaker 3: a little bit of a difference. So just curious your thoughts.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So before I answer that question, I'll kind of

1130
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:45,080
Speaker 6: attack the premise a little bit. My views shouldn't matter

1131
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,120
Speaker 6: on whether or not there should be cameras in the courtroom,

1132
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 6: because courts are public hearings in the public has a

1133
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:52,560
Speaker 6: right to see their leadership in action. And it actually

1134
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,240
Speaker 6: doesn't matter whether or not it's good or bad for lag,

1135
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 6: Like you have a right, you should have a right

1136
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 6: to see it and not sing it is unnecessarily secretive

1137
01:02:04,240 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 6: of the courts. Secret courts are bad, are big b

1138
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 6: bad for democracy, and so the courts should be the

1139
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 6: court proceeding should be televised, just because whether or not

1140
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 6: that would be a good thing for the court itself.

1141
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 6: Right now, I do think that if you had cameras

1142
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 6: in the courtroom, there would be more grand standing from

1143
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 6: the lawyers. I think there would be more grand standing

1144
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 6: from the justices. I don't particularly think that's I don't

1145
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 6: think that's particularly good.

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01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 5: Lawyers don't lawyers don't grandstand. I ain't never seen nothing

1147
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 5: like that before.

1148
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 6: I right, you know, that's a thing that would happen.

1149
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:44,200
Speaker 6: But the other thing that would happen if there are

1150
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:46,560
Speaker 6: cameras in the courtroom is that you would have more

1151
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 6: of this on TV. I was talking with a TV

1152
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 6: producer that I will not name, but a very important

1153
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 6: TV person, and they were saying how hard it is

1154
01:02:57,000 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 6: to cover the courts on the TV news, on cable

1155
01:02:59,600 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 6: news because you don't have video, because you can't just

1156
01:03:03,880 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 6: play a clip of the Yes, you can play the audio,

1157
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 6: but you can't play the video. And TV's a video medium,

1158
01:03:09,960 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 6: and so by not having cameras, it prevents a lot

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01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:19,840
Speaker 6: of otherwise what would happen television coverage of these unelected

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01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,840
Speaker 6: rulers of our country. So I think whatever the bad

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01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 6: grandstanding issues are overcome by the need for more transparency

1162
01:03:29,720 --> 01:03:31,600
Speaker 6: and for people to be able to see and learn

1163
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,960
Speaker 6: what their actual rulers are doing. So I'm one hundred

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01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 6: percent in favor of cameras in the courtroom, even though

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Speaker 6: I think it would probably be bad in terms of

1166
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,240
Speaker 6: like the quality of arguments. I don't think those concerns

1167
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 6: are are misplaced. I just think they're completely overtopped by

1168
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 6: both the democratic necessity of being able to see your

1169
01:03:53,560 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 6: leaders in action and the ability to cover those cases

1170
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Speaker 6: on television.

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Speaker 5: But you just all yesterday. I think the cannon or

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01:04:01,880 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 5: the US Code of Judges Code of Conduct for Judges

1173
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,920
Speaker 5: says that I say yesterday, Tiffany, dammit, I'm sorry you

1174
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 5: just saw this week.

1175
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Speaker 2: Uh.

1176
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Speaker 5: And it's from the US conduct US Code of Conduct

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01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 5: for Judges or their cannons that they should refrain from

1178
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 5: political activity. But I believe he's in the third Circuit

1179
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:25,320
Speaker 5: quarter third Circuit Court of Appeals. Yeah, I don't. I'm

1180
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 5: a I'm a I'm gonna fuck his name all up.

1181
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 5: But Judge Emil bouve bove both, it's really it's really

1182
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 5: pronounced like it's spelled both. Okay, he showed up at

1183
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 5: Trump's rally last night like it wasn't nothing.

1184
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:38,640
Speaker 6: Yep.

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01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:42,520
Speaker 5: I've never seen a judge on a federal Court of

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01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:45,560
Speaker 5: Appeals show up at a political rally where it evolved

1187
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 5: in this partisan rhetoric like it was nothing. But I think,

1188
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,080
Speaker 5: Elly correct me if I'm wrong. But we don't have

1189
01:04:54,120 --> 01:04:56,919
Speaker 5: any recourse as part of this democracy for a judge

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01:04:56,920 --> 01:05:00,680
Speaker 5: who just simply flaunts the United States Code of for judge.

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01:05:01,160 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 6: Republicans do not DGAF. They do not care about any

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01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:10,439
Speaker 6: ethical strictures. And it's why I keep saying, my first bill,

1193
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:14,760
Speaker 6: if you know you elect me a dictator for a day,

1194
01:05:14,920 --> 01:05:17,880
Speaker 6: my first bill is expanding the Supreme Court. My second

1195
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:21,520
Speaker 6: bill is ethics reform for the Supreme Court. We need

1196
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 6: ethics reforms for the entire federal judiciary so that Bakari,

1197
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 6: we have a recourse when these judges are openly corrupt. Right.

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Speaker 6: I call it the Clarence Thomas Anti Corruption Bill, right,

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01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:36,880
Speaker 6: or the Harland Crow Anti Corruption Bill. But you need

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01:05:36,960 --> 01:05:42,440
Speaker 6: something where an independent body can hold these judges accountable

1201
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 6: when they clearly flout what should be ethics ruled. We

1202
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 6: don't have any ethics rules, so I almost can't even

1203
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 6: say they're can't clearly flout what doesn't exist. But you know,

1204
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:57,440
Speaker 6: when they clearly flout the simple, the mere idea that

1205
01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 6: they should be nonpartisan, impartial arbiters of the law. They

1206
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 6: don't even pretend to be that anymore, and they never

1207
01:06:08,360 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 6: will until there's an ethics bill. Now, legal scholars will

1208
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 6: say that there's a separation of powers problem because the

1209
01:06:14,680 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 6: Court has defined powers and they're punished by another branch

1210
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 6: of government. Then that the offends. That makes Thomas Jefferson

1211
01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:24,200
Speaker 6: cry or something. I don't really care, but if you

1212
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 6: want it to go down that roll road, I always

1213
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 6: point out that the Supreme Court's budget is controlled by Congress,

1214
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 6: and so again dictator for a day, I cut their

1215
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 6: budget until they agree to third party ethics oversight, right,

1216
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:41,880
Speaker 6: like that is a congressional power. The Constitution says there

1217
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,439
Speaker 6: should be a Supreme Court. Doesn't say where they should meet.

1218
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 6: Doesn't say that they get to have a fancy court house.

1219
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 6: They can meet out on the lawn. They can hold

1220
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 6: their hearings out on the lawn, on the Washington Mall

1221
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 6: for all the Constitution cares. Right, doesn't say they get

1222
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:57,920
Speaker 6: fancy clerks. Doesn't say they get security. That's something that

1223
01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 6: Congress has provided these people. They are armed security forces,

1224
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 6: so they do not face the gun violence that they

1225
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 6: have inflected upon the rest of the nation. I would

1226
01:07:07,400 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 6: take it back. I would take it back. I would

1227
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 6: I would let Harlan Crowe to provide their security for

1228
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 6: all I care. But if you're gonna get money from

1229
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 6: the federal government, goddamn a, your gunna follow some ethics rules.

1230
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 6: That is the hard ball I would play. And then

1231
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:25,920
Speaker 6: Nick Dick Durbin emails my magazine yells at me for

1232
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:26,880
Speaker 6: being too radical.

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Speaker 3: Well, we appreciate it. I have a question, not well

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01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 3: for you, Ellie, but I also want to hear from

1235
01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,880
Speaker 3: Angela and Baccari on this, because I'm outnumbered by these

1236
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:41,479
Speaker 3: three lawyers. And so Bacary just brought up a really

1237
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 3: interesting point, a really poignant point about this judge, a

1238
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 3: federal judge on the Court of Appeals at a Trump rally.

1239
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:51,720
Speaker 3: You're talking about how the structure you know, these are

1240
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 3: just words in the Constitution. I keep saying this, I

1241
01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 3: don't have the knowledge of the Supreme Court that you do,

1242
01:07:58,840 --> 01:08:01,720
Speaker 3: or the law that all you eyes do. I keep saying,

1243
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 3: the courts will not hold. We keep talking about these

1244
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,720
Speaker 3: infrastructures as though they're going to be around in five years,

1245
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 3: ten years fifteen years before we came on, Ellie and

1246
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,560
Speaker 3: I were talking about our love for and or the

1247
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 3: series and or that that reads that I watch it

1248
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 3: like a documentary. Do you guys think the courts are

1249
01:08:19,080 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 3: going to sustain ten years from now? Are we going

1250
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:23,879
Speaker 3: to be talking about the Supreme Court and Congress controlling

1251
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 3: their budget? Do you think this infrastructure we're trying to

1252
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 3: navigate is indestructible given that we've already seen the norms

1253
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:34,160
Speaker 3: of it erode. We're seeing it every single day erode.

1254
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Speaker 3: So how important is this the Supreme Court going to be?

1255
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:39,040
Speaker 3: When Donald Trump is like, Oh, I don't like what

1256
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Speaker 3: you said, so poof the Supreme Court doesn't matter. I

1257
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 3: don't like these rules you're putting in place, so poof

1258
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 3: Congress doesn't matter. I'm just curious child's thoughts.

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Speaker 5: Everybody I think. I think that. I think that the

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Speaker 5: Supreme Court God's democracy and God society, not the other

1261
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 5: way around. I think the courts God society, and society

1262
01:08:59,439 --> 01:09:01,920
Speaker 5: doesn't dig take what happens to the courts. And the

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01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 5: only reason I believe that is because I've deduced the

1264
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 5: three most consequential political events in my lifetime actually are

1265
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Speaker 5: centered around the courts. I mean, the three most consequential

1266
01:09:13,240 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 5: political events I've had since nineteen eighty four, since I

1267
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 5: was born, was replacing Thirdgod Marshal with Clarence Thomas, Conservative

1268
01:09:21,320 --> 01:09:25,719
Speaker 5: pressure on the right to remove Harriet Myers and replace

1269
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 5: her with Justice Alito, and the election of Donald Trump

1270
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Speaker 5: over Hillary Clinton and him being able to put three

1271
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Speaker 5: justices on the Supreme Court. So in my forty one

1272
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Speaker 5: years of living, I believe that the court the courts

1273
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 5: have dictated societies machinations, not the other way around. So yeah,

1274
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Speaker 5: I don't think the courts will be at the whim

1275
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Speaker 5: of society. I think it's the other way around.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I want to say first that I think

1277
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:01,679
Speaker 1: it's really important that we understand and the court's role here.

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01:10:01,720 --> 01:10:04,680
Speaker 1: Agreeing would be to an extent, but I think that

1279
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 1: they are the reason for the demise, whether we're talking

1280
01:10:07,880 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 1: about extending presidential immunity to criminal cases or we're talking

1281
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 1: about these other two cases that we haven't gotten to yet.

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Speaker 1: But in particular, and this is kind of where I

1283
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: want to transition Elie to next is we've talked about

1284
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: the long standing impact now of Citizens United. You know,

1285
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Speaker 1: the case with FEC or no McCutchen McCutchen versus the

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Speaker 1: FEC where campaign contributions were no longer capped for individuals.

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Speaker 1: So this is democracy is now a numbers game, and

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Speaker 1: if you don't have money to play the game, then

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Speaker 1: you're out. And so what they're getting ready to do

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Speaker 1: in this case where JD Vance frankly should no longer

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Speaker 1: have standing with this in a in a n S

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Speaker 1: r C case against the the FEC. Also, I think

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Speaker 1: is an important note because I think it expands Citizen

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Speaker 1: United and its intent and McCutcheon to a very very

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Speaker 1: dangerous place where it is purely pay to play, and

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Speaker 1: it sounds like they're gonna win on the merits on

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Speaker 1: this case. So Ellie, I want to hear you on this,

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Speaker 1: and I'd love to hear if there's time on the

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Speaker 1: FDC as well.

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Speaker 3: But before you weigh in, Ellie, can I just say

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Speaker 3: because if I don't follow this stuff, I'm so confused.

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Speaker 3: So I just want to in R s C, I

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Speaker 3: just want to be clear you're saying National Republic Senate campaign,

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Speaker 3: that's what you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, go ahead.

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Speaker 6: So for the thirty thousand foot question, people need to

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Speaker 6: remember courts are extremely useful, useful to fascists. Right, courts

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01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:40,439
Speaker 6: have always been in the fascist corner because courts are

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Speaker 6: what legitimizes the fascist regime. Right, the fascist does something

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Speaker 6: that's illegal and the courts say, actually, it's not illegal,

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Speaker 6: and then everybody's like, oh, well it's not illegal, We're fine.

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Speaker 6: Like the fascists throughout history have always used the courts

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Speaker 6: to their own ends. That's why taking over the courts

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Speaker 6: is always like step one in any fashion authoritarian takeover.

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Speaker 6: Which is why I've been screaming about court expansion for

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Speaker 6: the past ten years, because it is the courts or

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Speaker 6: a leading indicator of fascism, not a lagging indicator of fascism.

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Speaker 6: So that's to Tiffany's thirty thousand foot question, and we're

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Speaker 6: seeing it on Angela's on the ground question about campaign

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Speaker 6: finance reform. What the Court is essentially doing, big picture wise,

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Speaker 6: is making corruption legal, right, Like, that's how we have

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Speaker 6: to think about it. They're making corruption in our political

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Speaker 6: system legal. Two years ago, Brett Kavanaugh issued an opinion

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Speaker 6: where he basically said that you couldn't charge people for

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Speaker 6: corruption for taking legal bribes if they took the illegal

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Speaker 6: bribe after they had already performed the service that they

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Speaker 6: were bribed to do. At that point, it's just a gratuity.

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Speaker 6: That is me quoting capital. It's a gratuity for job

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Speaker 6: well done. If you pay a politician after they've taken

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Speaker 6: the vote that you wanted them to take, no mention

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01:12:56,160 --> 01:12:58,280
Speaker 6: of that you promised to pay them that money only

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Speaker 6: if they voted the way that you want it. Right.

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Speaker 6: That is, there was a case with Bob McDonald and Virginia.

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Speaker 6: Like the Supreme Court is trying to make corruption in

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Speaker 6: our political system legal, and that is really at the

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Speaker 6: heart of this NRS, this Republican National Committee case. What

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Speaker 6: they're trying to do is remove the cap on spending.

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Speaker 6: Right so, like, right now you have a limited amount

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Speaker 6: of money that you can give to political candidates. They're

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Speaker 6: trying to take that away. I'm just trying to say,

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Speaker 6: is if you're a rich if you're a billionaire, if

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Speaker 6: you're Elon Musk, you can pay these guys as much

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01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 6: as you want. Right So, again, it's allowing more corruption

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Speaker 6: to be in the system, and that the Supreme Court

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01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:40,879
Speaker 6: is very interested in doing. Why because they're a leading

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Speaker 6: indicator of fascism because they're a leading indicator of oligarchy, Like,

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Speaker 6: this is how you make the oligarchs and the fascist

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Speaker 6: legal by allowing them to spend as much money as

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Speaker 6: they want to influence and quite frankly buy political candidates

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Speaker 6: and political campaigns. And that's absolutely what they're doing and

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01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 6: what we're saying right now, and it's bad. It's it's

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Speaker 6: very bad.

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Speaker 5: We it didn't sound it didn't sound good. It ain't

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01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,640
Speaker 5: sound good. I can tell you that much, right.

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Speaker 2: And again, this is.

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Speaker 6: That really bothers me about this case is that obviously

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01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:23,920
Speaker 6: the legal jargon for why they're saying that they can

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01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 6: remove the limits is that they're saying corporations are people right,

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01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 6: that corporations have free speech right. Money is speech, corporations

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Speaker 6: have a personhood's free speech right to to spend as

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Speaker 6: much speech as they want to if you will. And that, again,

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Speaker 6: on the hypocrisy level, rocks into their birthright citizenship thing. Right,

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Speaker 6: So they're basically protecting the personhood of corporations but not

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Speaker 6: protecting the personhood of actual fucking people, Like that's what

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01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:56,560
Speaker 6: they're that's what they're doing. And again, the hypocrisy is

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Speaker 6: rife and and disgusting.

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Speaker 5: Well, I need to argue in front of Supreme Court

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Speaker 5: one day. That's one of my dreams because one of

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Speaker 5: my goals is to not get rid of, but limit

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Speaker 5: qualified immunity. I know you have your dreams. I have.

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Speaker 5: That's that's one of my judicial dreams because.

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Speaker 6: It's if you ever get the opportunity, can I ask

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01:15:15,720 --> 01:15:18,559
Speaker 6: you just to blow these people up? Because so many

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Speaker 6: of the people who argue in front of the Supreme Court,

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01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 6: and obviously there are lawyers, they're trying to win their case,

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01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:26,960
Speaker 6: and so they're really solicitous and nice and and play

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01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 6: along with the justices. And I just want one person

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01:15:30,280 --> 01:15:33,160
Speaker 6: to show up at court and just call these people

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Speaker 6: out on their hypocritical bull craft, because that never happens,

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Speaker 6: and that's what I want to see. That's why my

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Speaker 6: dream is to be nominated for a Circuit Court appointment.

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Speaker 6: I don't want the actual job. I think I would

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01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 6: actually be probably a bad judge because I'm pretty freaking biased.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, man.

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Speaker 6: I think the confirmation hearing, the confirmation hearing where I

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Speaker 6: get to sit in front of the center judicial community

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Speaker 6: and do not care if they vote for me.

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Speaker 2: Oh perview, that would.

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Speaker 5: Be I want to see you and you buddy from

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Speaker 5: h You and buddy from Louisiana. Right, I would, just

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Speaker 5: I would. What's his name, John Kennedy, John Kennedy.

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Speaker 3: I was like my Louisiana Republican centator from Wisiam.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're blaking on name today. I argued in front

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Speaker 5: of the South Carolina State Supreme Court one time. Our

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01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 5: domestic violence laws specifically stated one man, one woman, and

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01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 5: so gay couples did not get domestic violence protection, meaning

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Speaker 5: that the charges didn't escalate, you didn't get an order protection,

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Speaker 5: all those things. Uh. And so I actually won that

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Speaker 5: case in front of the South Carolina Supreme Court when

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Speaker 5: I had a young lady who was the victim of

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Speaker 5: domestic violence here. So now South Carolina loss cover same

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Speaker 5: sex couples. Very proud of that, Eli, but it's not

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01:16:50,360 --> 01:16:52,200
Speaker 5: the big dogs, but it was big enough for me.

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Speaker 5: Right for your service, Oh, I'm sorry, go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Well sorry, I just if you could ellie in thirty seconds.

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Speaker 1: This is another pain point for me in this slaughter case,

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01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 1: of course, is where Donald Trump may get the ability

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01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 1: to overrule what happens traditionally with the FTC. That's the

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01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 1: Federal Trade Commission and I just remember a point where

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01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court unanimously decided that Barack Obama couldn't even

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01:17:22,200 --> 01:17:26,920
Speaker 1: make a recess appointment for the nation National Labor Relations Board.

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01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,519
Speaker 1: So if you could really quickly just go into this,

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01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 1: because I think this is a case that Trump is

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01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 1: likely to win.

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Speaker 2: So if you could really quit this.

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01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 6: Is a hugely important case. It's called Trump Freesolary. It

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01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 6: basically deals not just with the FTC, but Trump's ability

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01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:43,080
Speaker 6: to fire everybody in the executive ranch. It's that unitary

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01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 6: executive theory. All executive power is vested in the president,

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01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 6: and so you can fire the head of any federal agency.

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01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 6: He can fire any commissioner on an independent federal commission commission.

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01:17:56,439 --> 01:17:58,760
Speaker 6: He can fire any employee of the federal government if

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01:17:58,760 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 6: they just happen to be black, happen to be gained,

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01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 6: doesn't like them. Because everything is everybody starves with the

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01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,400
Speaker 6: pleasure of the president. According to this made up unitary

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01:18:06,439 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 6: executive theory, it is the end of the administrative state,

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01:18:10,360 --> 01:18:13,400
Speaker 6: is the hollowing out of the state bureaucracy. And I

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01:18:13,479 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 6: know that when I say that defending the bureaucrats and

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01:18:16,720 --> 01:18:20,200
Speaker 6: the experts doesn't sound particularly sexy, But people need to

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01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:25,920
Speaker 6: understand that one of the some thrusts of constitutional liberal democracy,

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01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:31,240
Speaker 6: one of the reasons for the bourgeois revolts of the seventeenth, eighteenth,

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01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 6: and nineteenth centuries was to take away the power of

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01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 6: the absolute monarch to fire government ministers and functionaries at will.

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Speaker 6: That was actually one of the huge points of contentions

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Speaker 6: between constitutional democracy and absolute monarchy. That you shouldn't be

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Speaker 6: able to fire federal officials just because they don't do

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01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 6: what you say. You shouldn't be able to fill the

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01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 6: federal bureaucracy with your cronies and friends as opposed to

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01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 6: experts and people represented by the elective branches, right Like,

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01:19:06,240 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 6: That's actually part of what the revolutions are about. And

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01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:12,600
Speaker 6: so when the Supreme Court gives this power back to

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01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 6: Trump to fire any federal official at his whim and will,

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01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 6: what they're doing is truly giving him a monarchical power

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01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:24,160
Speaker 6: in the same way that Trump the United States gave

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01:19:24,240 --> 01:19:26,840
Speaker 6: him immunity from criminal protection, which is the power of

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01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:30,960
Speaker 6: a king. This also is the power of the king

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01:19:31,400 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 6: that they are regiving to Donald Trump, and it's part

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01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:38,840
Speaker 6: of a long term conservative legal project to destroy the

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01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:42,599
Speaker 6: administrative state to destroy the regulatory state, and they are

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01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 6: absolutely winning and they're absolutely going to win this. And

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01:19:45,720 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 6: so in my article in the Nation, I wrote, like

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01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,960
Speaker 6: people might not think that they see the importance of

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01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 6: the bureaucracy now, but y'all will You will when you

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01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 6: can't get a vaccine because Trump has fired everybody who

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01:19:59,080 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 6: is able to provide you a vaccine. You will see

1456
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 6: it when there's uranium and mercury in your drinking water

1457
01:20:05,560 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 6: because Trump fired all the people at the EPA, because

1458
01:20:08,920 --> 01:20:13,280
Speaker 6: groundwater studies are too woke for the Trump administration. You

1459
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:17,599
Speaker 6: will see. You will see it as AI turns into

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01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:21,759
Speaker 6: the terminator because it's completely unregulated by the federal government.

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01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:25,439
Speaker 6: All of these issues are actually issues of whether or

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01:20:25,479 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 6: not we're allowed to have a state bureaucracy run by

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01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 6: experts or a state bureaucracy run by cronies. And the

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01:20:31,880 --> 01:20:34,639
Speaker 6: Supreme Court and Donald Trump have decided to go all

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01:20:34,720 --> 01:20:37,640
Speaker 6: in on the crony system, and that is going to

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01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:42,439
Speaker 6: have significant consequences for how we live every day in

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01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:45,519
Speaker 6: this country. And he's going to win sixty three, He's

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01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 6: gonna win six three, and that's it.

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Speaker 1: This case, of course, is argued this week, please make

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01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 1: sure you all check out Ellie's peace on this court case.

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Speaker 1: And with that we are going to jump into our

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01:20:57,000 --> 01:20:57,679
Speaker 1: cost to action.

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Speaker 6: Who cares about truth? When the last.

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Speaker 1: Morning saying it, Ellie, you are here, you lighten it up,

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01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:12,680
Speaker 1: no pun intended. But I also want to ask you

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01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:14,599
Speaker 1: if you have a call to action for our audience

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01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,080
Speaker 1: since you're still here with this oh.

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Speaker 6: My god, packed the court. I mean, like I can't.

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01:21:19,560 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 6: I say it all the time, and I know it

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01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:24,720
Speaker 6: almost sounds like broken record, but like we even at

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01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 6: this late date, even when all the Supreme Court is doing,

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01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 6: we still do not have Democratic candidates running explicitly on

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01:21:32,520 --> 01:21:33,799
Speaker 6: a court reform package.

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01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 5: Right.

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01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 6: We still do not have the Democrat who wants to

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01:21:36,960 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 6: be running for president in a couple of years saying

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01:21:39,520 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 6: that when they are president day one, they will expand

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01:21:42,479 --> 01:21:45,400
Speaker 6: the Supreme Court and roll back all of the horrible

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01:21:45,439 --> 01:21:49,080
Speaker 6: decisions that we're talking about. So pay attention to who

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01:21:49,200 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 6: is on the side of court reform and vote for

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01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:55,920
Speaker 6: those people and reject the people who think that the

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01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:59,560
Speaker 6: saying that politics as usual are when it comes to

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Speaker 6: Supreme Court is what's going to get us through this.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Ellie. Tip what you got.

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Speaker 3: I will just use this time quickly to say thank

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Speaker 3: you to the National Council of Negro Women. Chavn Arleen

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Speaker 3: Bradley honored Joy Reed, Melissa Harris Perry, and myself at

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Speaker 3: their dinner this week. Please support the National Council of

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Speaker 3: Negro Women. Learn about the legacy of doctor Dorothy Height

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Speaker 3: and Mary McLeod Beffoon, who founded the organization. I've been

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Speaker 3: a member since I was twenty one years old, and

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Speaker 3: so I just want people to make sure that we

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Speaker 3: carry the legacy of our people who may not be

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Speaker 3: household names to some people, who may be household names

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Speaker 3: to others, but carry the legacy of our civil rights

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Speaker 3: leaders into the work that we're doing today. So thank

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Speaker 3: you Shavon and the NCNW for honoring me and my

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Speaker 3: sisters this past weekend and Karen Finney. They also honored

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Speaker 3: Karen Finney as well, so congrats to her.

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Speaker 2: Congrats Tip.

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Speaker 5: It is much deserved, well deserved, well deserved. Yeah, no, y'all, don't.

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Speaker 3: You know we're pretty unfiltered, right, That's okay.

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Speaker 2: Truth is welcome here.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I love it. Congratulations Tiffany, you deserve all

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Speaker 5: those blessings and many many more. Truly. Indeed, I remember

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Speaker 5: my mama used to get that mail from the uh

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Speaker 5: what is it U N CW and that what I

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Speaker 5: and that is that the acronym. Did I get it right? Yeah, y'all, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's why I don't talking to Adam. But it's been

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Speaker 5: around a long time, great women, and you all are

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Speaker 5: part of that lineage. Mineus quick. It's only about three

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Speaker 5: weeks or so, less than three weeks left in the year.

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Speaker 5: Go get your physicals. Man, y'all gotta go get your

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Speaker 5: yearly physicals. I get really depressed around this time because

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01:23:49,040 --> 01:23:51,000
Speaker 5: one of us are going to have somebody who drops

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Speaker 5: dead who need not be dead, around this holiday season.

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Speaker 5: Go get your yearly physicals. If you haven't, you still

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Speaker 5: got time. If you got the ACA, Obamacare is free,

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Speaker 5: even go to urgent care. I like to get the

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Speaker 5: Cadillac because I'm a little bit of a hypochondriac. So

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Speaker 5: I make them test me for everything, eatbola, eat cola,

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Speaker 5: all the stuff. So I want you all to get

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Speaker 5: get get your physicals, particularly black men, if you're over

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Speaker 5: the age or whatever it is, let them let them

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Speaker 5: get real intimate with you, touch you in all the

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Speaker 5: places you don't necessarily want to be touched, but go

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Speaker 5: get your physicals so we can live a little bit

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Speaker 5: longer this holiday season.

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Speaker 1: I actually, Bakari, I appreciate you going there for two reasons.

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Speaker 1: One is a good friend of ours, Stephanie Brown James

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01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:45,120
Speaker 1: lost her best friend this week. The young woman is

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Speaker 1: just forty four years old. Erica makes she rest in power.

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Speaker 1: But it also reminded me of I have like reiki

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Speaker 1: sessions weekly that are virtual, and in my reiki session

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Speaker 1: from last week, Danielle told me that this was a

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Speaker 1: season for me to really engage in clearing out any negativity,

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Speaker 1: so any old wounds that I may have, any old baggage,

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Speaker 1: any you know, points of bitterness, any places where I

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Speaker 1: needed to release someone or ask for forgiveness, to really

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Speaker 1: deepen into that. And I was re listening to that

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Speaker 1: session on Monday of this week, and I just want

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Speaker 1: y'all to know and hold me accountable to it. And

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Speaker 1: I also invite you into the journey to do the same,

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Speaker 1: to release any of.

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Speaker 2: That baggage I got stuff.

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Speaker 1: Y'all clearly know that I need to resolve with my brother,

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Speaker 1: you know, I just I want to make sure that

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Speaker 1: when I go into twenty twenty six, I'm leaving all

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Speaker 1: of that behind. Whether there are places where I've offended

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Speaker 1: or hurt people, I've seen comments from people said I

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Speaker 1: was mean to them when I saw them, Please forgive me.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what was going on, But more often

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Speaker 1: than that, it's not me being the beat. It's just

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Speaker 1: anxiety and I'll be spending and Tiff will be like,

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Speaker 1: you gotta calm down, says, and she's right, and so

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Speaker 1: to that, I want to be much more intentional about

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Speaker 1: how you are encountering me and make sure that I

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Speaker 1: clear the air. So for those of you who I

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Speaker 1: don't have your phone numbers or emails, if I've done

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Speaker 1: anything to offend you or cause you harm, please forgive me.

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Speaker 1: Charge it to my head and out my heart, and

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Speaker 1: I ask that you and you join me on this

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Speaker 1: journey at the end of the year for us to

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Speaker 1: clear out any of that negativity so we can go

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Speaker 1: into this next year with much more positivity.

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Speaker 5: Apology accepted, Apology accepted. Thank you for finally acknowledging that

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Speaker 5: I'm glad we got took years, but I'm glad. I'm

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Speaker 5: glad I finally took Ellie coming on the show to

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Speaker 5: get the apology.

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Speaker 1: I'm here so glad his WiFi is breaking up me in.

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Speaker 6: Again.

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Speaker 2: That's what happened. The Laura won't let him have the floor.

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Speaker 2: Thank you Jesus with that, y'all. This show is a rap.

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Speaker 1: Thank you again to our guests, our favorite Supreme Court expert, Elie, Vesta,

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Speaker 1: tiff And Bakari and Andrew. Y'all pray that our good

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Speaker 1: brother Andrew gets better with this od y has when

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Speaker 1: you got that many kids that do bring the germs home,

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Speaker 1: So pray for our nist and our nephews as well.

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Speaker 1: We are Angela, Rie, Tiffany Cross, Andrew Gillim and Macari Sellers.

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Speaker 2: Welcome home, y'all.

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Speaker 1: There are three hundred and twenty seven days in token

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Speaker 1: in termolation.

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Speaker 9: that's a for greatness.

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Speaker 9: For the grave shit, high level combo politics in a

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Speaker 9: way that you could taste it then digest it. Politics

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Speaker 6: So get invested.

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