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Speaker 1: is frank Stamfell. I am Greg Sacemen. Frankie has a
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Speaker 1: So today's all even though UIs in Nashville, where New York,
Speaker 1: it's an Ohio day on the program to day because
Speaker 1: we're gonna go over the Browns and the Bengals inside
Speaker 1: the n FC North as we continue our team by
Speaker 1: a team question is not really a breakdown, it's it's
Speaker 1: more questions and I'm excited to get tomorrow. He's the
Speaker 1: Steelers coming up tomorrow, and I'm not James Connor guy.
Speaker 1: You have the resident James Connor guy, you and Blake Billy.
Speaker 1: It seems not the wrong with that. The guys the
Speaker 1: advocates of James Conner as we should as we should be.
Speaker 1: We'll talk more about that tomorrow's show. Well, I'm excited
Speaker 1: about it. I want to talk about Steelers and we'll
Speaker 1: talk about the brown where we're not talking about James Connors.
Speaker 1: A few moments ago we were we're also talking about
Speaker 1: Tyler Boyd. Down we were, and I'm excited to get
Speaker 1: into Tyler Boyd here e y Stocks because Frank and
Speaker 1: I disagreed a little bit here and I was trying
Speaker 1: I was doing some research. I was trying to figure
Speaker 1: out almost like what I was doing with Kenny and Drake,
Speaker 1: like trying to figure out, like why we don't like
Speaker 1: Tyler Boyd. And there's more reasons than to not like
Speaker 1: Tyler boy than Kenyan Drake for the record, but I like.
Speaker 1: I like Tyler boy especially where he's going. I'm excited
Speaker 1: to get into that. I'm excited, uh to get into
Speaker 1: the Bengals, like just a little let's not waste no
Speaker 1: more time. Let's let's get into it, and let's start
Speaker 1: with Cincinnati Bengals, because Zach Taylor finally a new regime
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. And I think the biggest question that we
Speaker 1: have to ask ourselves we're gonna throw up to you, EUI,
Speaker 1: is how much is this going to change things? It's
Speaker 1: the same quarterback, the same core, the same poorest offensive
Speaker 1: lines and wide receivers, say running back, same tight ends.
Speaker 1: I mean, are things the same in Cincinnati outside of
Speaker 1: the coaching staff for the first time in almost two decades?
Speaker 1: So are you more excited because of what's new? Or
Speaker 1: are you thinking that, hey, I knew what to expect
Speaker 1: when Morvin Lewis was in charge and that question mark
Speaker 1: has you a bit worried. I mean, for me, the
Speaker 1: Bengals are is a lot of opportunity. I mean, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of very high level fantasy players. A j.
Speaker 1: Green is being massively disperspected at this time of years.
Speaker 1: If you're asking my opinion, uh, Joe Mixing is high
Speaker 1: on the board. I think he's uh slid a little
Speaker 1: because they lost their rookie left tackle. But I mean,
Speaker 1: for me, the most recent history where something like this
Speaker 1: where you should be excited to think about Jeff Fisher
Speaker 1: and the Rams. He made Todd Gurley unusable almost at
Speaker 1: that time. You know, three years ago, was the best
Speaker 1: running back in the league, was drafted first overall, and
Speaker 1: Jeff Fisher, because of the way he coached, in the
Speaker 1: way he schemed an offensive game plan, made him almost
Speaker 1: unusable incomes McVeigh and there, if not the top there
Speaker 1: and the for sure in the top three offenses in
Speaker 1: the NFL. I'm not saying that's what Cincinnati is gonna be,
Speaker 1: but at least there is chance, there is a high
Speaker 1: high chance that things will improve for fantasy. And I
Speaker 1: think that's actually a really good point that you bring
Speaker 1: up that when Jeff Fisher finally left the Rams, they
Speaker 1: were reinvigorated. There they had the same core. He wrought
Speaker 1: in other pieces like Robert Woods when others before Brandon Cooks,
Speaker 1: but they brought in a few other pieces nobody huge,
Speaker 1: and it was like a totally new team. Can Zach
Speaker 1: Taylor have that effect. I know everyone likes to be
Speaker 1: friends with Sean mcveigh's that's how Zach Taylor got this job,
Speaker 1: But can Zach Taylor have that same effect on Cincinnati?
Speaker 1: That Sean McVeigh did on the Rams. I think he
Speaker 1: can have a similar effect, maybe not to the same extent,
Speaker 1: because again, Sean McVeigh, what he has been able to
Speaker 1: do over the past couple of seasons with the Rams
Speaker 1: has been precedented. It's been awesome to watch, it's been
Speaker 1: awesome for fantasy football. But the chance is there, and
Speaker 1: I like what they said about the opportunity and the
Speaker 1: opportunity for upside, specifically in this Bengals offense. Last year
Speaker 1: they were seventeen in points per game, and that was
Speaker 1: with a j Green missing half the season. That was
Speaker 1: with Andy Dalton not able to finish the season, and
Speaker 1: that was with Marvin Lewis who's been you know, mired
Speaker 1: and meeker mediocrity for years now and was a defensive
Speaker 1: minded head coach. So now you're bringing a younger, offensive
Speaker 1: minded head coach in Zach Taylor, who's just thirty six
Speaker 1: years old. He's close to that Sean McVeigh age range
Speaker 1: as well, so maybe he can relate with these, uh,
Speaker 1: these offensive players a little bit more and these younger
Speaker 1: guys on the team and all those things kind of together,
Speaker 1: Greg culminating, I think that there is legitimate offensive upside
Speaker 1: for these pieces on this team. I agree with the
Speaker 1: y so far. Uh you know, when it comes to
Speaker 1: a J. Green, I feel like he's being a little
Speaker 1: bit disrespectable. We'll talk about that more. Obviously, we'll get
Speaker 1: into Tyler Boyd and Joe Mixon and you know, ultimately
Speaker 1: I think that there is offensive upside for this team. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I I maybe I've been maybe I've been too off
Speaker 1: on them because of these offensive line issues. But Zach
Speaker 1: Taylor is going to provide some life into the offense.
Speaker 1: I think that's really the word that comes to mind
Speaker 1: right there. It seemed like forever it was he was
Speaker 1: the longest head to coach in the NFL. You know,
Speaker 1: he's outside of Bill Belichick thousand and three to team six.
Speaker 1: I mean, you get you get a breath of fresh air,
Speaker 1: you get a young, offensive minded head coaching. I don't
Speaker 1: think that it can hurt the offense the defense. It
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter for fans. It's going to change just
Speaker 1: how much? How does it reflect a DP. We're gonna
Speaker 1: tell you where you should draft all these Bengals. Will
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Speaker 1: THEFFS Fantasy Sports Radio Network. Here at sports Grid, Eric Young,
Speaker 1: Frankie Stanford. We're getting into the Cincinnati Bengals, and let
Speaker 1: me start with running back and I imagine Tyler Boyd
Speaker 1: before I'll get him a j green a little bit.
Speaker 1: But let me start the running backs, and let me
Speaker 1: start with Joe Mixon. Where's Joe Mixon going right now, Frankie,
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon is going right now at that late first
Speaker 1: early second round range. Specifically, I'm gonna start using um
Speaker 1: July as the date POSI because that was the day
Speaker 1: that the Tyreek Hill news was announced, so I changes everything.
Speaker 1: So Joe Mixon since then, over the past five days,
Speaker 1: his ADPs fifteen point six four is RB nine off
Speaker 1: the board sandwich between Melvin Gordon and Todd Gurley. Very
Speaker 1: interesting range of running backs, must say so myself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's a really interesting spot between Melvin Gordon, Joe Mixon,
Speaker 1: and Todd Gurley. And I'd like to think that I'd
Speaker 1: like to think that Joe Mixon at this moment is
Speaker 1: the safest of those three, given the contract from Melvin Gordon,
Speaker 1: given the knee of Todd Gurley. Nixon is also going
Speaker 1: right after my guy James Connor as well. You I
Speaker 1: thought like Mixon more than Connor, didn't you. I have
Speaker 1: Connor ranked once spot higher. You do. Yeah, even when
Speaker 1: I did the first round mock for the FANDUL hurry up,
Speaker 1: I had Conrad of Levin and I had Mixed, right,
Speaker 1: I convinced you that, yes, yes, I forgot I forgot
Speaker 1: Joe mix him. It's funny because because of the offensive line,
Speaker 1: I wasn't him at all. And again it's the end
Speaker 1: of July. God knows how it will change. But I
Speaker 1: wasn't really on at all because they did have multiple
Speaker 1: injuries along the offensive line, not just the rookie left tackle.
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, I don't want to do this,
Speaker 1: And you went up to me a little while ago.
Speaker 1: I was like, Hey, the same crap offensive line and
Speaker 1: he finished as a top twelve running back last season.
Speaker 1: Why can't he do that again in a better offense.
Speaker 1: And when you said that kind of made sense. So
Speaker 1: let me throw this to you, e y, where do
Speaker 1: you have Joe Mixon ranks? And how would you compare
Speaker 1: him to both Melvin Gordon and Todd Gurley given their situations? Uh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: currently I think I have him a number eleven, and
Speaker 1: uh I had him higher than that, and then the
Speaker 1: left tackle got hurt and they're moving the guy. I
Speaker 1: believe their right tackle back to left tackle. Um. But
Speaker 1: the more I'm thinking about it, I mean I could
Speaker 1: move him back up the offensive Like I said, is opportunity.
Speaker 1: And for someone with his skill set and his his
Speaker 1: crazy athleticism, all he needs his opportunity. He has a
Speaker 1: three down back. He can play all three downs. He
Speaker 1: can catch, he can run in space, he's got size,
Speaker 1: he's got speed. I mean he's I mean literally, if
Speaker 1: you're going to build a running back from scratch, I
Speaker 1: mean I believe he would turn out just how Joe
Speaker 1: Mixon looks. So it's uh, I might have to move
Speaker 1: him up. He's at eleven now, But I mean we're
Speaker 1: so far out from the season, like they're just starting
Speaker 1: training camp, so I mean this is all up for debate.
Speaker 1: But uh, just thinking about it now, I might have
Speaker 1: to move him up a little bit. I like mixing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like him as well. I have him as my
Speaker 1: RB eight overall right now, just ahead of Todd Gurley
Speaker 1: and Melvin Gordon for the reasons you mentioned. Greg, I
Speaker 1: just feel like he is the safest of that bunch
Speaker 1: right now. He doesn't have arthritis in his knee, or
Speaker 1: at least it hasn't been reported. And Melvin Gordon with
Speaker 1: the whole contract holdout situation right now. Uh, and yeah, look,
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon last year finesses RB nine in Fantasy points
Speaker 1: per game. Last year, the average four point nine yards
Speaker 1: per carry. That was behind basically the same offensive line
Speaker 1: that he's going to be running behind this year. He
Speaker 1: played seventy three percent of the snaps. That is a
Speaker 1: workhorse load, you know. That was tied for eighth among
Speaker 1: running backs last year. He averaged exactly twenty touches per game,
Speaker 1: sixteen point nine carries per game, three point one receptions um.
Speaker 1: And he was unquestionably they're running back inside of the
Speaker 1: red zone, Greg and you know I I say was
Speaker 1: because again it is a new scheme. But Zach Taylor
Speaker 1: is coming from Sean McVeigh system where he used Todd
Speaker 1: Gurley as a workhorse and used him as, you know,
Speaker 1: a legitimate pass catcher out of the backfield, and he
Speaker 1: was also the unquestioned workhorse running back inside of the
Speaker 1: red zone. So I think, based on the fact that
Speaker 1: Joe Mixon was used that way last year, why would
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor go away from using Joe Mixon that way
Speaker 1: this year? Last season, Joe Mixon saw sixty six point
Speaker 1: seven percent of the Bengals carries inside of the twenty
Speaker 1: yard line, that was fourth most among running backs last season,
Speaker 1: seventy percent inside the ten that was tied for second,
Speaker 1: and seventy five percent of the Bengals carries from inside
Speaker 1: of the five yard line that was tied for third.
Speaker 1: So all for remarks from inside the twenty, the ten,
Speaker 1: and the five were inside the top five in the NFL.
Speaker 1: So he's being used in the red zone, he's going
Speaker 1: to catch passes. He average four point nine yards per
Speaker 1: carry last year behind that offensive line. I don't really
Speaker 1: see what's not to like this. Year for Joe Mixon.
Speaker 1: We've also heard a lot that Zack Taylor is going
Speaker 1: to try to run as much as possible. That shall
Speaker 1: make the system for the three wide receivers, one running back,
Speaker 1: one tight end correct. That he's a workhorse running back.
Speaker 1: They ran, whether he's an any problems or not. They
Speaker 1: ran to gurly into the ground in l A over
Speaker 1: the past two years. I have to believe they're going
Speaker 1: to do the same for Joe Mixon as well. Do
Speaker 1: you want to get Mixon now when he's about to
Speaker 1: be that girly level workhorse, not next year? Like right now,
Speaker 1: you're getting him at what I think is as FO Right,
Speaker 1: so last year he finished as RB nine based on
Speaker 1: the workload that he's seen. I don't really think that
Speaker 1: that's going to change much. And his upside might be
Speaker 1: a top five running back if everything comes together for
Speaker 1: the offense. So you draft him now and you kind
Speaker 1: of have to project forward, whereas next year, maybe this
Speaker 1: guy's the top five pick. I honestly think if he
Speaker 1: stays healthy, being a top ten maybe top twelve is
Speaker 1: running back, that's probably his floor and that's close to
Speaker 1: where you're getting him right now. Sure, absolutely, I think
Speaker 1: that Joe Mixon the more I look at it and
Speaker 1: the more and I just try to use reason, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I just try and get the guy that's going to
Speaker 1: get the ball, and Joe Mixon is gonna get the
Speaker 1: ball to me. There's nothing that really not to like here,
Speaker 1: Like besides the offensive line. The offensive line is an issue.
Speaker 1: But if Zach Taylor can get Joe Mixon in space
Speaker 1: and get him some openings, he's probably gonna finish once
Speaker 1: again as the top ten running back. You got nothing
Speaker 1: from me. I have him as my r P eight,
Speaker 1: so I'm not gonna argue with you. Are you cool though?
Speaker 1: Her eight? Fine? You had him in the first moch
Speaker 1: that you did and things have changed, like Melbourne Gordon
Speaker 1: you had it number twelve overall, right, would you feel comfortable,
Speaker 1: either of you guys, with Joe Mixon as your first
Speaker 1: round pick? Yeah? I think it's just semantics, because you know,
Speaker 1: if you're in that back end, you're gonna get a
Speaker 1: really really good wide receiver. Or you could double down
Speaker 1: on the running back position and take like a mixing
Speaker 1: and then one of these risky running backs like a girlie,
Speaker 1: or you know, the injury risk of a Dalvin Cook.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's really just semantics. He's yes, he's
Speaker 1: your first round pick, but you're going to get another
Speaker 1: top fifteen ish player in the second round as well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm perfectly fine doing that. In fact, I
Speaker 1: would take him. You know, if I was anywhere picks
Speaker 1: ten to twelve, I would take the running back first,
Speaker 1: just to make sure that I get him, and then
Speaker 1: you're still gonna get a really really good wide receiver
Speaker 1: in the second round if you wanted to as well,
Speaker 1: someone like a Michael Thomas or a Juju Smith Schuster,
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham. So, um, yeah, I think it's just semantics.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't mind taking him as my first
Speaker 1: round pick in that later half of the first round,
Speaker 1: would you I have them? Outside of that? I think
Speaker 1: I have him at like, uh in between like sixteen
Speaker 1: and nineteen. He's kind of roving around in there, and
Speaker 1: like I said, I might move him up, which might
Speaker 1: bring him head. I mean, I think for me, it
Speaker 1: just depends on, um, you know, who goes before him
Speaker 1: and what kind of a scoring lead you're in. I mean,
Speaker 1: the the guy is going to catch passes, I think
Speaker 1: that's uh. Giovanni Bernard and that's more his specialty, not
Speaker 1: that mixing. Can't do it. But that's why, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's where they're gonna use Bernard for. He's going to
Speaker 1: be the third down uh, pass catching back. That's what
Speaker 1: they've done. Um, not that mix and can't do it.
Speaker 1: And he didn't do it last year. He Uh, he
Speaker 1: was very effective at that when he did do it,
Speaker 1: but he didn't do it as that much and not
Speaker 1: as much as I think I'd like to see him.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a bit of an old school where
Speaker 1: I want I want a Black that can do all
Speaker 1: those things to not come off the field. I want
Speaker 1: him to be on the field all the time and
Speaker 1: only to come off and the just catch his breath
Speaker 1: or maybe just a change of pace kind of thing,
Speaker 1: and I'll pick you back off what you just said.
Speaker 1: E y. I think he is capable of doing that.
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of he hasn't necessarily been used
Speaker 1: in that capacity yet. You look at his two year
Speaker 1: career in Oklahoma. He had sixty five receptions in just
Speaker 1: those two years. So think he's capable of catching fifty
Speaker 1: plus passes, maybe even sixty plus receptions if he's used
Speaker 1: in a similar way that Gurley was used in l A.
Speaker 1: But I would set that floor at let's say forty five,
Speaker 1: because last year he averaged three receptions per game and
Speaker 1: he only played fourteen games, so he just missed that.
Speaker 1: But if you were to play sixteen, you obviously would
Speaker 1: have been on pace for like right around forty fifty receptions.
Speaker 1: So I think he's probably gonna be in that range anymore,
Speaker 1: from like forty five to sixty receptions. I think the
Speaker 1: only time you see you come off the field, because again,
Speaker 1: there's no affinity here for any other running back anymore.
Speaker 1: Like it's not like Marvin Lewis drafted him and he's
Speaker 1: going to stick with him, and he likes somebody's friends
Speaker 1: with him. None that it doesn't matter anymore. Now it's
Speaker 1: the talent. And all I could go back is to
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor's history and the most recent history when it
Speaker 1: comes to Taylor's Todd Gurley. I think that's what you
Speaker 1: can see what Joe Mixon too. All Right, I wanna
Speaker 1: take a break when we come back. Let's get into
Speaker 1: the wide receivers. Let's get into a J Green, Let's
Speaker 1: eat the Tyler Boyd. And if I get an interesting
Speaker 1: point to make it, Andy Dalton as well. We'll do
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Speaker 1: as well. Now, we wanted to get into Cincinnati's wide receivers.
Speaker 1: Before we do that, I think it's important to talk
Speaker 1: about their quarterback. Frank you was telling me before that
Speaker 1: you believe Andy Dalton is a fine super flex quarterback,
Speaker 1: and we compared him. Alex Fasano was talking to us
Speaker 1: and he was like, Hey, who would you have hired?
Speaker 1: Derek Carr or any Dalton? And my first instinct was like,
Speaker 1: that's a good one. That's pretty close. Like you got
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown now in Oakland, you got John Groom in
Speaker 1: the quarterback I but Annie Dalton, like when he's been
Speaker 1: healthy and when his team around it has been healthy.
Speaker 1: There's been times We've used them throughout fantasy football leagues.
Speaker 1: So when I thought about it for a little bit longer,
Speaker 1: like you mean, Dalton Man, especially with Zach Taylor, Yeah, especially,
Speaker 1: I would have him ahead of Derek Carr. And this
Speaker 1: is look, if you miss out on obviously, I would
Speaker 1: want Todd Brady or or Jimmy Garoppolo, Philip Rivers, Lamar Jackson,
Speaker 1: any of those top twenty two. I'm gonna keep using
Speaker 1: that twenty two mark as he cut off as the
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that I would really really want on my team,
Speaker 1: whether it's in a one quarterback league, if I wait
Speaker 1: for my first quarterback, or if I play in a
Speaker 1: super flex league, I would want two of those top
Speaker 1: twenty two guys. But if I do miss out on
Speaker 1: the Bradies, Garoppolos, Philip Rivers, I have Andy Dalton as
Speaker 1: my QB twenty three. And it's worth mentioning that last
Speaker 1: year when everyone was healthy through weeks one to eight,
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton was the QB fourteen overall during that stretch.
Speaker 1: So I just think based on the weapons that he
Speaker 1: has again having a j Green, having Tyler boyd Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton is not someone who's going to elevate the talent
Speaker 1: around him, but he is somebody himself who can have
Speaker 1: a decent fantasy output, who can be elevated when he
Speaker 1: has all those weapons around him healthy from a J.
Speaker 1: Green to Tyler Boyd to maybe they get something out
Speaker 1: of John Ross this year and Joe Mixon on the
Speaker 1: field as well. I think it's just worth mentioning that
Speaker 1: last year we just wanted eight. Andy Dalton was the
Speaker 1: QB fourteen. He is a fine ish fallback option in
Speaker 1: a super flex league as your second quarterback, although I
Speaker 1: would want someone better than that. I'll take him ahead
Speaker 1: of Derek car though I agree, I think any Dalton's
Speaker 1: a fine choice as the second quarterback as a super
Speaker 1: flex What about you? What do you think? Yeah? I
Speaker 1: have him one ahead of Derek Carr, like literally like
Speaker 1: one quarterback ahead. And I feel like, um, it could
Speaker 1: go either way. I feel like he's shown times when
Speaker 1: he's pretty efficient. Uh, he's heavily had very good fantasy
Speaker 1: quarterback seasons. Um. And I mean, if we're saying there's
Speaker 1: a possibility that mixes a thing, there's a J. Green
Speaker 1: is being disrespected, maybe even Tyler Boyd is being disrespected.
Speaker 1: Boy and he's the ball and he's the guy that's
Speaker 1: getting these guy players the ball. He's the starting quarterback
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati. That's not even up for debate. So if
Speaker 1: this is going to be a good offensive fantasy team,
Speaker 1: then it's going to be led by Andy Dalton. So
Speaker 1: maybe we all got to move him up. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's very funny because for years we talked about how
Speaker 1: you couldn't draft A J. Green before Julio Jones inside
Speaker 1: like that top Crew Water Shavers because of Andy Dalton.
Speaker 1: And now because all these guys are going later, you're
Speaker 1: not talking about the first round anymore, and in most
Speaker 1: cases you're talking about the second round either that Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton is actually kind of a benefit, right, Like you
Speaker 1: have Andy Dalton, you know what you get. It's not bad,
Speaker 1: it's a better offense. You're like, okay, I'm cool with that.
Speaker 1: And that raised me A J. Green and Tyler Boyd.
Speaker 1: A J. Green probably isn't Frank Julio Jones, Odell Beckham,
Speaker 1: Antonio Brown anymore, and it's reflected in his ADP. That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like, is not in that category anymore.
Speaker 1: But I still feel like when you see his name
Speaker 1: still there on draft boards as you get into the
Speaker 1: second round, you get to Mike Evans of the World,
Speaker 1: for instance, and Keenan Allen and uh and more, you're like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: A J. Green is still there. A J. Green still
Speaker 1: can can be that guy I'm getting his steel. Do
Speaker 1: you feel that way about him? Yeah? I do right now.
Speaker 1: And something that we hear about fantasy sports, whether it's
Speaker 1: baseball or football or any sport, really we try to
Speaker 1: find that player in that second third round range who
Speaker 1: can return first round value. We did a whole show.
Speaker 1: We did a whole show on it last year, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure we will again. I think A. J. Green
Speaker 1: is one of those players that's going in the third
Speaker 1: round right now that can return wide receiver one value
Speaker 1: this season. Technically he's actually going in the fourth round
Speaker 1: and we're thirty seven overall at the NFF. Just it's crazy.
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm as my wide receiver twelve, just behind
Speaker 1: t Y Hilton and Keenan Allen, just the head of
Speaker 1: the Vikings guys. It's a bit of a toss up
Speaker 1: there and just ahead of a Mari Cooper just because
Speaker 1: I think he'll be more consistent than a MARII Cooper.
Speaker 1: But again, I'm gonna go back to weeks one through eight.
Speaker 1: That's when A J. Green was at his healthiest, Tyler
Speaker 1: Boyd was healthy on the field, and he Dalton was healthy.
Speaker 1: All of them together during that time, A J. Green
Speaker 1: seventy five targets percent of the target share. He was
Speaker 1: the wide receiver seven overall in Fantasy football. During that time.
Speaker 1: He played sixteen games. In seventeen, he finished as wide
Speaker 1: receiver eleven. If you look at basically every season that
Speaker 1: he's been in the league, he's finished between wide receiver
Speaker 1: three and wide receiver seventeen and fantasy points per game.
Speaker 1: I used points per game because there has been there
Speaker 1: have been seasons that where he's missed time due to injury.
Speaker 1: I think that's obviously being factored into his ADP right now.
Speaker 1: But in every season he's been in the league, he's
Speaker 1: finished between wide receiver three and wide receiver seventeen. So
Speaker 1: right now he's being drafted as wide receiver fifteen off
Speaker 1: the board, you're drafting him at his floor. You're getting
Speaker 1: him as absolute floor. Greg when he's on the field,
Speaker 1: he will at least be around that range with his
Speaker 1: upside to be better because as I mentioned, those first
Speaker 1: eight weeks he was the wide receiver seven. I've Key
Speaker 1: is one of the best values right now going in
Speaker 1: the third fourth front range. It's really interesting because I
Speaker 1: think the wide receivers that he's paired with, and I
Speaker 1: think you have them in the right spot. Like to me,
Speaker 1: he's definitely after Keenan Allen and t Y Hilton. But
Speaker 1: then you get to Mary Cooper, Adam Fields, Stefon Diggs,
Speaker 1: Like that's right, Like I think that crew is right.
Speaker 1: But then I think you have to open up the
Speaker 1: discussion to the other players that are going in the
Speaker 1: third round, right, like those wide receivers fine, like in
Speaker 1: that mix, Okay, I can get that, But he's in
Speaker 1: the mix with players like Leonard Fournett, who we spoke
Speaker 1: about earlier this week, Zach Ertz, George Kittle, Savante Freeman,
Speaker 1: Marlon Mack. Like, would you take a J. Carry On Johnson?
Speaker 1: Would you take a J. Green above some of those guys?
Speaker 1: I think the answer probably is yes, Eric, Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: yes for me. I mean, if if a J. Green
Speaker 1: stays where he is, a DP, and I don't think
Speaker 1: you will, I think you'll just keep moving up and
Speaker 1: up and up. Um. I've got him my seventeen overall,
Speaker 1: like I'm taking him all over the place. I got
Speaker 1: him like above Michael Thomas, I got him above Maury
Speaker 1: Coop for Tyreek Kill, Tonio Brown. Um, he's just he's
Speaker 1: just more of a sure thing. And I I think
Speaker 1: he's arguably up there with Hopkins as one of the
Speaker 1: best receivers in the league currently. And I mean again,
Speaker 1: this takes us back to his only problem is is
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton's quarterback. Andy Dalton cannot throw a great deep
Speaker 1: ball um, but they've proven that they can do it
Speaker 1: in the past. There's definitely a connection there. And if
Speaker 1: he stays healthy where he's being drafted, that's like that'll
Speaker 1: be the steal of the year. You do have to
Speaker 1: keep in mind that, you know, he's battled a lot
Speaker 1: of injuries. Last year, he had a toe injury as well,
Speaker 1: So that's something to pay attention to during the during
Speaker 1: training camp. You know, all the training camps are starting
Speaker 1: to open up. This week, We're seeing more and more teams,
Speaker 1: the Falcons and the uh was it the Big Raiders
Speaker 1: over training hid tomorrow was Broncos Broncos. Yes, it was
Speaker 1: the Falcons and the Broncos have already opened up because
Speaker 1: those are the two teams playing in the Whole of
Speaker 1: Fame game. But we're seeing more teams open up over
Speaker 1: this week and next week. Hey to to A J. Green,
Speaker 1: I want to see how he's moving. If we hear
Speaker 1: anything about that toe. Honestly, if we hear anything that
Speaker 1: like he's sitting out because of a toe or like
Speaker 1: a foot or an ankle, then I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: if we already have concerns about that before the season
Speaker 1: even starts, Craig, then I think, like, all right, that's
Speaker 1: why he's going in this range. I get it. But
Speaker 1: if he's all systems go, then he is an absolute
Speaker 1: stealer at his carent adp. So the one of the
Speaker 1: other question marks that you have with A J. Green,
Speaker 1: or at least certain people have a J. Green. Last
Speaker 1: year was were we seeing a changing in the guard
Speaker 1: I know our buddy Corey Parson pushed this right both
Speaker 1: in a both Atlanta and Cincinnati, like it was Calvin
Speaker 1: really going to become the guy and Julio Jones is
Speaker 1: in one way and the same in Cincinnati was some
Speaker 1: fire takes from the executive with Tyler Boyd go off
Speaker 1: this way and A J. Green down right like that
Speaker 1: was a take and Tyler Boyd on Calward lead too.
Speaker 1: But Tyler Boyd had a really good year last year,
Speaker 1: over a thousand yards receiving. He was constantly in the
Speaker 1: end zone. But Frank made a really good point earlier
Speaker 1: to me today that hey, Tyler boys probably better on
Speaker 1: the field. A J. Green's across from him earlier earlier today.
Speaker 1: Tyler Boyd's side by time extension with Cincinnati million dollars
Speaker 1: over four years something like that, give or take. So
Speaker 1: he's gonna be in Cincinnati long term. That means the
Speaker 1: current regime, including Zach Taylor, likes what they've seen thus
Speaker 1: far out of Tyler Boyd. How good Eric can Tyler
Speaker 1: Boyd be this year? Again? Again, this is and I
Speaker 1: mean it's just sounding a broken record. It circles around
Speaker 1: to the potential is with the new coach, the nude
Speaker 1: coaching scheme, if everything's clicking the way it should, they
Speaker 1: should be a pretty potent fantasy offense. I don't think
Speaker 1: their defense is going to be great, so they're going
Speaker 1: to have to, you know, for the receivers are going
Speaker 1: to be throwing the ball at the end of the game.
Speaker 1: Trying to win, trying to come back, um, which is
Speaker 1: we know is a good thing for fantasy players. And
Speaker 1: if you're a guy that takes fantasy football series, you
Speaker 1: need to be paying attention to this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: But drafting players that are just on good teams and
Speaker 1: teams that win is not a winning strategy for fantasy.
Speaker 1: Like having players on the Dolphins and having players Jacksonville
Speaker 1: over the last two or three years. Those are guys
Speaker 1: that get a ton of catches because they're in hurry
Speaker 1: up mode at the end of the game, whipping the
Speaker 1: ball over the field. The defenses are in uh, you know,
Speaker 1: are pulled back and are not pressuring them and just
Speaker 1: trying to to to win the game. So it's uh,
Speaker 1: it'll be interesting the contract. That's a big player. I said.
Speaker 1: We can't listen to what they tell us. We can
Speaker 1: only listen to what they do or pay attention to
Speaker 1: what they do. That's saying they believe in Tyler Boyd. Listen,
Speaker 1: A J. Green is the number one receiver there and
Speaker 1: and it will be as long as he's he's healthy
Speaker 1: this year by Tyler brook Boyd could be a threat
Speaker 1: this year and and obviously going forward. So it's uh,
Speaker 1: if you're somebody to pick him up kind of really
Speaker 1: late or whatever in the Dynasty draft, you're you're you're
Speaker 1: smiling big time right now. Tyler boy player off the
Speaker 1: board according to the NFC over the last few days,
Speaker 1: after players like three Cohen, James White, Cooper Cuff, and
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley. Interestingly enough, right before players like O. J.
Speaker 1: Howard Alshon, Jeffrey Allen Robinson and Evan Ingram Frank and
Speaker 1: we about like thirty seconds or so before we get
Speaker 1: to the break. Tyler Boyd. We can finish after the
Speaker 1: break obviously. Yeah. I like Tyler Boyd where he's going
Speaker 1: right now. Finished wide receiver seventeen last year, seventy six
Speaker 1: receptions over a thousand yards, seven touchdowns on a hundred
Speaker 1: and eight targets. The first eight weeks again of the season,
Speaker 1: when everyone was healthy, he was wide receiver twelve. So
Speaker 1: he is unquestionably better when A. J. Green is on
Speaker 1: the field. Played sixty seven percent of his snaps in
Speaker 1: the slot last year. He will fill the Cooper cup
Speaker 1: role in this Zach Taylor Sean McVeigh ish offense, and
Speaker 1: he's filling that Cooper Cup roll. How valuable will he be.
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Speaker 1: back with you. And admittedly we we know we have
Speaker 1: a lot to gainst with the Browns if we bleed
Speaker 1: him in the action hour. Bit so be it so,
Speaker 1: Tyler Bowd, as I said going on the board, fifty
Speaker 1: eight overall, Frankie, and that's after Cooper Cup. And you
Speaker 1: believe he has the ability to be a Cooper Cup
Speaker 1: in this offense. But you said earlier that like when
Speaker 1: you got to him in a draft, you probably wouldn't
Speaker 1: pull the trigger. O come, I just don't love the
Speaker 1: a DP overall in reference to other wide receivers. It's fine,
Speaker 1: he's the wide receiver off the board according to the NFFC.
Speaker 1: I have him ranks right now. As my wide receiver six.
Speaker 1: But his ADP is sixty, so it's the last pick
Speaker 1: of the fifth round, you know, late fifth, early sixth
Speaker 1: round range. I agree with him going ahead of names
Speaker 1: like Alshon Jeffrey. I don't think I'm gonna have much
Speaker 1: to do with Alshon Jeffrey this season. Allen Robinson, Jervis
Speaker 1: Landry will talk about when we do the Browns as well.
Speaker 1: I like Dante Pettis too, but I guess you'd basically
Speaker 1: be drafting Dante Pettis to do something similar to what
Speaker 1: Tyler Boyd already has done and did this past season.
Speaker 1: So I like him in reference to wide receivers. I
Speaker 1: think it's a fair value, but is a DP just
Speaker 1: seems a little high to me right now in that
Speaker 1: late fifth round range. To me, it feels right like,
Speaker 1: it feels totally acceptable. I guess like he was good
Speaker 1: last year. Ultimately, he was certainly better with a J.
Speaker 1: Green into to both of his hundred yard games. You
Speaker 1: don't rather have him as your wide receiver three then
Speaker 1: your wide receiver too in an ideal world, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: because if you're taking him, I don't, let's say, late
Speaker 1: fifth round, if you take one of the early quarterbacks
Speaker 1: or a tight end and he's your wide receiver too.
Speaker 1: Based but if you go to running backs too, wide
Speaker 1: receivers and you can get him as your wide receiver,
Speaker 1: three's that's fine. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, Um the tight end
Speaker 1: position with the Cincinnati Bengals, is there anything here that
Speaker 1: we have to think about? Frank? They haven't officially resigned
Speaker 1: zech Tyler Eifford, have they. That's why I was trying
Speaker 1: to look up as you were talking. I don't think
Speaker 1: that they have. I think, well, I'm our lads. Depth
Speaker 1: charts does have Tyler Iford on the team, but he
Speaker 1: was good when he played last year. Again, if all
Speaker 1: those weapons are healthy, this is a really, really good
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals offense and they have upside. But I mean,
Speaker 1: you can't depend on this guy for you know, he's
Speaker 1: in that discussion where when you use your last two
Speaker 1: round picks on tight ends that you're gonna you're gonna
Speaker 1: end up streaming tight ends anyway, you know, in that
Speaker 1: conversation with like Noah Fan and Mark Andrews and guys
Speaker 1: like that, when you wait that long, Like sure, there's
Speaker 1: some upside from a streaming basis when it comes to
Speaker 1: Tyler Eifert. But it's not It's not someone that you
Speaker 1: can draft and say, all right, well, he's gonna be
Speaker 1: my starter for the entire yew of that season. It's
Speaker 1: just someone that you're gonna stream as long as he's healthy.
Speaker 1: Tyler Iffort did resign with the Bengals uh early in March,
Speaker 1: but they did draft a second round tight end named
Speaker 1: Drew Sample. Uh. He is in there. And remember Zach Taylor,
Speaker 1: Zach Taylor and job If they didn't really utilize the
Speaker 1: tight end on a consistent basis. With the rams Um,
Speaker 1: Tyler Higby was involved, all every involved. He couldn't really
Speaker 1: count on either of them. I know Tyler Iffort used
Speaker 1: to be different, but I think all those injuries probably
Speaker 1: have caught up to him now. I don't see anything
Speaker 1: from the tight end position he wise or anything else
Speaker 1: since Nati Bengals. You want to mention before we move
Speaker 1: on to the Cleveland Browns. No, I think just what
Speaker 1: he said with efford Um, he's a guy in best
Speaker 1: ball like I'm taking him with, you know, my my
Speaker 1: third tight end, my very last pick, because we've seen
Speaker 1: him be a dompant, dominant player of that position before.
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton likes to throw the tight end. He's proven that. Um.
Speaker 1: But now with the new system, I mean, who knows,
Speaker 1: Like you said that the Rams, he was in the
Speaker 1: RAM system. Uh the coach was in the RAM system
Speaker 1: and they just didn't throw to the tight end. And
Speaker 1: now is that they don't really have good tight ends
Speaker 1: or what it is. But uh, Ifford as a guy
Speaker 1: that he's a dart throw but but could be a
Speaker 1: huge kind of like last round pick up, Greg, Please
Speaker 1: don't kill me for saying this, but I'll throw the
Speaker 1: name out there. There was three wide receivers in the Rams.
Speaker 1: We've mentioned two wide receivers to the Bengals, John Ross.
Speaker 1: Can he be the of the Bengals offense. I'll just
Speaker 1: throw it out there. I'll throw it out there. Look,
Speaker 1: he has the pedigree. He was a top ten pick.
Speaker 1: Did he deserve to go that high? Probably not. He's
Speaker 1: someone who you know, wowed everybody because of what he
Speaker 1: was able to do in terms of his forty time
Speaker 1: and he tested well. He hasn't been able to do anything.
Speaker 1: I'll just I'll just throw his name out there. In
Speaker 1: deep leagues, you know, there are leagues where you'll go
Speaker 1: twenty rounds deep. There's leagues that you go deeper than that.
Speaker 1: In leagues like that, will you draft like six seven
Speaker 1: wide receivers. Just remember John Ross's name in case they
Speaker 1: finally get anything out of him in three wide receiver sets. Already,
Speaker 1: let's move on to the Cleveland Grounds, who had quite
Speaker 1: these sexy off season here, acquiring Odell Beckham, firing Kareem Hunt.
Speaker 1: So there's a lot to digest here. Let me begin
Speaker 1: with Odell Beckham Jr. He finally, somehow he's not playing
Speaker 1: with his best friend of the world, Jarvis Landry, which
Speaker 1: could screw up Jarvis Landry's value. But Frank, we have
Speaker 1: this discussion yesterday during the Action Hour because O'Dell was
Speaker 1: in the news again. But when he's on the field,
Speaker 1: he's his talented as any wide receiver in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Problem is he hasn't been on the field all that
Speaker 1: much the last couple of years. But he is a
Speaker 1: game changer, a guy that can finish as the number
Speaker 1: one wide receiver in the NFL. Where are you drafting
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Jr. This year? I don't have a problem
Speaker 1: with his current ADP going in that you know, early
Speaker 1: to mid second round range. As of right now, his
Speaker 1: ADP is thirteen point nine in the NFFC, so really
Speaker 1: closer to the start of the second round. UM, I
Speaker 1: put out a poll before the show asking you know,
Speaker 1: in that range, which wide receiver would you want most,
Speaker 1: and it included Odell Beckham, juju Smith, Schuster, and now
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill because he will not be suspended. So far,
Speaker 1: fifty two votes and forty percent say Odell Becca him.
Speaker 1: I think I would actually rather go with either of
Speaker 1: the other two, Judice Smith, ju Juice Smith, Schuster and
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill. There's no doubt how talented Odell Beckham is
Speaker 1: since when he's joined the league he is top five
Speaker 1: in targets, receptions, receiving yards, receiving touchdowns. And that's with
Speaker 1: all the games that he's missed. But again, he's missed
Speaker 1: sixteen games over the past two seasons. UM, we know
Speaker 1: that when he's on the field, he's a target monster.
Speaker 1: He was with the Giants, he should be so again
Speaker 1: with the Cleveland Browns. What they gave up to try
Speaker 1: and obviously acquire him here and Baker Mayfield is a
Speaker 1: much much better quarterback than Eli Manning, so I see
Speaker 1: what the upside is I just think that he has
Speaker 1: a little bit more downside in terms of the injuries. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean when you turn when you talk about using
Speaker 1: an early second round pick, you really have to split
Speaker 1: hairs here. I just really like Juju Smith Schuster's situation
Speaker 1: this year, and obviously Tyreek Hill everything that's going on
Speaker 1: with him. Look, if he's on the field, we know
Speaker 1: that he's going to be one of the five best
Speaker 1: wide receivers in football and for fantasy football. So I
Speaker 1: just trust those guys a little bit more. If somebody
Speaker 1: wanted to take Odell Beckham earlier, I can't really argue
Speaker 1: with him. I'm just a little bit more worried about
Speaker 1: the injuries that he's had. What about you, e y
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham Jr. As talented as any player in the league.
Speaker 1: Fright front of a great point, Juice Shoesters in this range,
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hills in this range? Who first, Um, yeah, I
Speaker 1: have I have Juju, then Hill, then then Beckham. That's
Speaker 1: the that that three in that order right now? Um, lookay,
Speaker 1: I mean Odell Beckham is a basket case. He's somebody
Speaker 1: that is hurt constantly. But we've never ever seen him
Speaker 1: play in an offense with this many weapons. And to me,
Speaker 1: when you put a guy of his skill set in
Speaker 1: an offense that's going to move the ball, they're going
Speaker 1: to you know, they're going to the they're going to
Speaker 1: run place quickly, they're going to have a high volume,
Speaker 1: and you can't just double and triple team him all
Speaker 1: the time because of Landry, because of n Joku, because
Speaker 1: of uh Chubb. You mean, like, these are things that
Speaker 1: that you all have to think about in Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: is the best quarterback that he's played. Look at Eli
Speaker 1: Manning as it was maybe not now, but it was
Speaker 1: a good quarterback. But Beckham's never really had a bunch
Speaker 1: of weapons around him to pull coverage. So it's I'm
Speaker 1: excited to see where the Cleveland Browns are this year.
Speaker 1: I think the NFL is a better league when the
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns are good. Um. I know, like last year
Speaker 1: with the hype and and then you know, kind of
Speaker 1: pouring it on mid season with the coaching change and stuff,
Speaker 1: made the NFL interesting. Um And Uh, O b J
Speaker 1: is definitely interesting, very much. Is interesting. What about on
Speaker 1: the other side, O b J. What about Jarvis Landry,
Speaker 1: He's best friend in the world. Now Jervis Landry on
Speaker 1: its terrible Dolphins team and he racked with the receptions.
Speaker 1: You're the most better Browns team. Now. Theoretically, the better
Speaker 1: quarterback with a better wide receiver next to him should
Speaker 1: be good, I think, But people are addling this guy
Speaker 1: this year. How come Jarvis Landry has been a volume
Speaker 1: dependent wide receiver who needs a ton of targets to
Speaker 1: meet his fantasy value. He's been a reception monster, but
Speaker 1: in order to get those receptions, he needs the targets.
Speaker 1: And last year, when we saw in the second half
Speaker 1: of the season when Freddie Kittens took over a calling
Speaker 1: plays for the Cleveland Browns, the same Freddy Kitchens that
Speaker 1: will be calling plays this season for the Cleveland Browns,
Speaker 1: we saw Jarvis Landry's targets dropped from the first eight
Speaker 1: games eleven point six targets per game the final eight
Speaker 1: games with Freddie Kitchens calling plays six point nine targets
Speaker 1: per game. His receptions went from six point one to
Speaker 1: four per game, and his yardage went down ten yards
Speaker 1: per game. That was for Jarvis Slndry. That was even
Speaker 1: before Odell Beckham was in the mix. Here in Odell Beckham,
Speaker 1: someone whose average ten point five targets per game in
Speaker 1: his career, He's never had a season below a twenty
Speaker 1: five percent targets share. It's just to me, Jarvis Landry,
Speaker 1: someone who has never had less than a hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty one targets in his career, in each of the
Speaker 1: past four seasons, he's likely closer to that one fifteen
Speaker 1: target range. And because of that, I don't really think
Speaker 1: that he's gonna come close to what he's done in
Speaker 1: years past. Now, I will say this, I think Ey
Speaker 1: brought up a good point that there are a ton
Speaker 1: of weapons on this team. So if someone's trying to
Speaker 1: double team Modell Beckham, that's going to leave Jarvis Landry
Speaker 1: opened over the middle, and you know he should be
Speaker 1: able to make the most of his opportunity. But again,
Speaker 1: I just think the lack of target share that he's
Speaker 1: used to seeing as the number one wide receiver pretty
Speaker 1: much wherever he's been in his career. I think that's
Speaker 1: really really going to affect his fantasy output this season. Greig, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I think that makes sense. I think Jarvis Landry
Speaker 1: is in a role that we don't know yet, is
Speaker 1: in a position that we don't really know yet it's
Speaker 1: going to be different. The volume is not going to
Speaker 1: be there, like you said, there's too many other guys,
Speaker 1: like you said, and I think that unknown makes fantasy
Speaker 1: owners fearful here you way. I mean, I guess it
Speaker 1: isn't real fear. Like he he has always been known
Speaker 1: as a volume guy, um, because he's played on teams
Speaker 1: where there was no other people to throw the ball
Speaker 1: to him, Like when he played in Miami. He was
Speaker 1: the best player on the team last year. I mean
Speaker 1: you had Hollywood Higgins and and you know, like guys
Speaker 1: that that were decent, and then Joe who was wasn't
Speaker 1: what he's going to be this year, I believe. So
Speaker 1: I think probably the volume goes down, but the quality
Speaker 1: of targets and the room around him and single coverage
Speaker 1: is going to be very helpful for him. I believe
Speaker 1: that he's really good after the catch, um and could
Speaker 1: be a dangerous guy. I mean, you have to respect
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham no matter what. There's gotta be one guy
Speaker 1: on him with safety help over the top on almost
Speaker 1: every play. That's going to open up the middle of
Speaker 1: the field, that's going to open up the other side,
Speaker 1: and that's where uh, that's where Jarvis Landry is gonna live.
Speaker 1: So I feel like the volume does go down, but
Speaker 1: the quality I don't know if there's a word for that,
Speaker 1: but the quality of his catches and targets I think
Speaker 1: will be much much higher. And that's the case for
Speaker 1: Jarvis Landry. And you know I mentioned that as well.
Speaker 1: I I agree like there obviously you can make a
Speaker 1: case for and against pretty much any player that we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about. I im more so lean towards
Speaker 1: the case against him just because of the lack of
Speaker 1: volume that that Jarvis Landry is going to see this year.
Speaker 1: But that is the case for Jarvis Landry. And you
Speaker 1: know when we did the uh we did our top
Speaker 1: Fantasy football bus for the for the vandal hurry up, Greg. I.
Speaker 1: You know, I had Jervis Landry as one of my
Speaker 1: bust heading into the season, and somebody tweeted at me
Speaker 1: and made that exact case that even on less volume,
Speaker 1: he'll be much more productive on a per target basis.
Speaker 1: Is that something that you can get behind if you
Speaker 1: want to draft Jarvis Landry this season. Yeah, So I
Speaker 1: think if you go into the draft wanting to draft him, yes,
Speaker 1: he's going to have more open opportunities because he's not
Speaker 1: going to be the guy that the Jarry the defense
Speaker 1: targets at all. Absolutely, I think that's realistic. But the
Speaker 1: problem that we've seen with Jarvis Landry, not you're in
Speaker 1: in era out because it's been some years where it
Speaker 1: wasn't the case, has been the red zone production. No doubt,
Speaker 1: does that change this year. I don't see why it
Speaker 1: would in terms of scoring touchdowns right Udell Beckham is
Speaker 1: going to demand so many targets on the field, so
Speaker 1: is Koku as well, just because he's such a big
Speaker 1: body and a freak athlete. It just doesn't really make
Speaker 1: much sense for you know, unless he's wide open, and
Speaker 1: then of course, yeah, fine throwing the ball in the
Speaker 1: red zone, I get it. But if that's not the case,
Speaker 1: it just seems like there's the other personnel packages players
Speaker 1: around him. In terms of Beckham and David and Joku,
Speaker 1: seemed like they might be better utilized in that area
Speaker 1: of the field in the red zone. So I would
Speaker 1: agree with that as well. I think, you know, obviously
Speaker 1: you have concerns about the volume and the targets is here, Greg,
Speaker 1: but touchdowns have pretty much always been an issue when
Speaker 1: it comes to Jarvis Heinrich. All right, so let's take
Speaker 1: a break. We're to come back. We'll get into David
Speaker 1: and Joku a bit and then on the other side
Speaker 1: to start the hour. And he all wants to hang on.
Speaker 1: Of course he's welcome. We'll get in the Cream Hunt
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Speaker 1: All right, so we spoke about Jervis Landry dot com JR.
Speaker 1: We have but three minutes ago in this hour, our
Speaker 1: number two is on the way, y as I said,
Speaker 1: you're We're welcome to hang out if you have the
Speaker 1: Time's get David to Joko just for a moment, because
Speaker 1: the Joku was a popular sleeper at the position last season.
Speaker 1: He comes into this season's high powered attack going as
Speaker 1: the number ten tight end at the moment off the board,
Speaker 1: just in the front of Austin Hooper, Trey Burton, Lamandalaney
Speaker 1: Walker and more. The problem with for me guys With
Speaker 1: David to Joku, he said, there's just there's not enough
Speaker 1: targets to go around in this offense. He's gonna have
Speaker 1: his really good games, did you have his really crap
Speaker 1: games too? And I think ultimately you'd be more frustrated
Speaker 1: than anything else if you draft Davena Joko. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that makes a lot of sense. He finishes tight
Speaker 1: end nine last season. But after the top five tight
Speaker 1: ends last year, the scoring went way down. It was
Speaker 1: a huge drop off after Jared Cook. Those guys basically
Speaker 1: from tight end six on were guys that you were
Speaker 1: streaming for most of the year, and if you use
Speaker 1: them weekend and week out more often than not, as
Speaker 1: Greg mentioned, you were let down. His targets went up
Speaker 1: to eighty eight last year. Yards went up to six
Speaker 1: thirty nine. His catch right went up to sixty three
Speaker 1: point six. Still has some issues with drops. He has
Speaker 1: all the physical tools in the world. The guy tested incredibly,
Speaker 1: incredibly well coming out of college, but he still has
Speaker 1: to continue to work on his hands, get better as
Speaker 1: a route runner and a as a receiver at the
Speaker 1: tight end position. I scored three of his four touchdowns
Speaker 1: in those final eight games once Freddie Kitchens took over
Speaker 1: as the play caller. So maybe you hang your hat
Speaker 1: on that a little bit that you know Freddie Kitchens
Speaker 1: used him a little bit more here. Um, he's probably
Speaker 1: someone I would target if I obviously I want one
Speaker 1: of the top five guys. And then you know, you
Speaker 1: look at like Jared Cook and Vance McDonald's a popular
Speaker 1: breakout once you miss out on those guys. I think
Speaker 1: David and Joke, who is probably right in that mix.
Speaker 1: I don't have a problem with his ADP. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think he's fine for me. It's like, it's whatever, I
Speaker 1: don't really want him. I like, I agree with you
Speaker 1: on that. Like if I take him, I would have
Speaker 1: to get another tight end later on. Who has upside?
Speaker 1: Someone like a Noah fan or a Mark Andrews. Someone
Speaker 1: like that, Greg, turn your mic foe, Eric, give it
Speaker 1: a Joe in a in a moment? Are you why you? Who?
Speaker 1: Stick around? Yeah? Awesome? All right, I'm taking Greg's guying.
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