1 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the Short Stuff. I'm Josh, and 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: there's Chuck and Jerry's you're sending for Dave. So this 3 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: is short stuff. 4 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 2: Let's go scoot scoot scoot. 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 3: Sure, all right, inside joke everyone, we're talking about what 6 00:00:19,760 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 3: I call Wayne scotting today. Apparently you can also pronounce 7 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 3: it Wayne's coating. I've always said Wayne Scotting, and evidently 8 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 3: either one of them are just fine. 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: I saw also people in Chumley and Hayesbro pronounce it 10 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: wookie cat. 11 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: Well look it up. 12 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 3: Okay, if you don't know what we're talking about, we'll 13 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 3: tell you right off the bat that Wayne scotting is 14 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 3: a design feature. It's been around for several hundred years. 15 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 3: And if you've ever been in a house and you 16 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 3: walk into let's say the dining room and instead of 17 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 3: the entire wall being let's say dry wall, maybe about 18 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 3: halfway down or I think the general rule is what 19 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 3: two thirds of the way down waist height, you will fine. 20 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 3: And you know it depends on the height of your wall, 21 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 3: though really, because you would you want to do it 22 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 3: different for like a ten foot ceiling than. 23 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: Like an eight foot seriling. 24 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 1: Quite a setup, it is. 25 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 3: But if from there down you see like you know, 26 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 3: these any kind of wood paneling or these these wood stripes, 27 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 3: paneling board something like that. Not the rail itself. We'll 28 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 3: get to that. That is what Wayne scotting is. 29 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, it turns out it's harder to explain than you'd think. 30 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: You know, I didn't think it was until I got going. 31 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,720 Speaker 1: First. Of all, that space that's waist height down on 32 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: the wall is called the dotto. So Wayne scotting basically 33 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: covers the dotto. If you had paneling that went all 34 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: the way to say, the ceiling, that's just called paneling typically, 35 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: So that's one aspect of Wayne scotting that usually is universal. 36 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:01,559 Speaker 1: It's about waist height, okay, yeah, and then it's often 37 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 1: made of wood, but sometimes it's made to look like 38 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: it's made of wood. It could just be raised quarter 39 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: round or other kinds of molding, cut at forty five 40 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: degree angles and fashion into a square, a hollow square, 41 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: and put in repetition on the wall and put a 42 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: molding at the top and a molding at the bottom, 43 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: painted all one color that's a different color from the 44 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: wall above it. You've got fau Wayne scotting as a 45 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: DIY weekend project? 46 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,240 Speaker 2: Can I stop all the carpenters from writing a letter? 47 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, did I say something wrong. 48 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:36,799 Speaker 2: I think it's to be I think it would have 49 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 2: to be half round. 50 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. I was hoping that people wouldn't pick up on 51 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: that because I thought it as I was saying it. 52 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: But I'm glad you corrected me to keep from emails. 53 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's one way you can do it 54 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 3: is literally individual strips of board. Much more commonly these days. 55 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 3: You can buy this stuff in large four by eight 56 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: sheets that are already grooved to look like those individual strips. 57 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 3: Much much easier, and it's a it's a not too 58 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 3: hard DIY project. I've done it plenty of times and 59 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,919 Speaker 3: it really can really yeah, yeah, it's really easy. Uh well, 60 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 3: we'll get to when it's not easy. But you know, 61 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 3: if you can cut something to fit a wall and 62 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 3: you have like a what are those things called that 63 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 3: you get like cocking out of a tube with a 64 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 3: cock gun gun, Yeah, then then you can do that 65 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 3: some liquid nails, maybe even a little nails shooter. 66 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, a little finishing nail gun. 67 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 68 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,720 Speaker 3: It's just it's as easy as that. It's really not hard. 69 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,839 Speaker 3: The word itself. I think by the time the late 70 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:40,680 Speaker 3: fifteen hundreds rolled around was a verb meaning to line 71 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 3: boards with paneling from uh supposedly maybe a middle Dutch 72 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 3: or low German wagen shot. 73 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: That I really like. It's dining room feels much more 74 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: formal thanks to the wagon shot you've installed here? Is 75 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: that a d why vagus job? You said? 76 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 2: Then you get head over the head of the purse. 77 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: That's right. 78 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: And someone says, I never. 79 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: So I saw this old house, said that it's Dutch 80 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: in origin and it dates back to the thirteen hundreds, 81 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: which is it's really something and imagine that it basically 82 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: hasn't changed essentially in seven hundred plus years. 83 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 84 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 3: And the cool thing about Waynscotting is that it's adaptable 85 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 3: to a bunch of different styles. I mean, you're probably 86 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 3: not going to see like a modern or super super 87 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 3: contemporary house with it. You may be able to get 88 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 3: away with it if it's a certain kind, but a 89 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 3: lot of other traditional It can go with art deco, 90 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 3: it can go obviously and was heavily used in the 91 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 3: Arts and crafts movement. But it's a fun way to 92 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 3: break up the wall. But it originally served the purpose 93 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 3: and still sort of does as protecting that lower wall. 94 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's what it was originally for, and 95 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 1: that still is what it does, especially if you have 96 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: molding across the top of it that kind of finishes 97 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: it and separates it from the wall above. That's frequently 98 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: referred to as a chair rail because it protects your 99 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:11,159 Speaker 1: wall from being banged up by chairs when people slide 100 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:12,839 Speaker 1: them slide them out to get away. 101 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 3: And never knew that's what that came from. Oh really, no, 102 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 3: I mean I always called it chair rail. It can 103 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 3: also be called doto rail because what you were talking about. 104 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 3: But I never knew it was to protect against a chair. 105 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 3: I had no idea. 106 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: I love it. 107 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. It also technically could protect against Kramer 108 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: in his pool queue if you have a pool table 109 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: set up in a room that's too small to house 110 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:37,719 Speaker 1: a pool table. 111 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: That's good. Should we take a break, yes, all right, 112 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:42,680 Speaker 2: we'll be right back. 113 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: Softly jaw. 114 00:05:49,800 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 2: So, all right. 115 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 3: So there are different kinds of wayne scotting. There's bedboard 116 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 3: wayne scotting. You will notice those distinctive grooves, these narrow 117 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 3: vertical planks. That's a very common one that you can 118 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 3: buy in large sheets. 119 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: That's what I thought. It was like plain and simple. 120 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 3: I did too, actually, But if you throw the word 121 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 3: like flat panel Wayne Scotting in front of it, then 122 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 3: that is just another kind of smooth version. But I've 123 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,799 Speaker 3: always just thought of Wayne Scotting as being the grooved. 124 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, the bee board. Yeah. So you said flat panel, 125 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,840 Speaker 1: and you said that it's tough to get Wayne Scotting 126 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,799 Speaker 1: or pull Way Scouting off into modern or contemporary house. 127 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: You can, but it has to be very sleek and minimal, 128 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: but you could do it. It's very daring. All of 129 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: your friends in the design community are going to say, 130 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: what what a daredevil, But if you pull it off, 131 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: they will fet you. They will have a party in 132 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 1: your honor for it. 133 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 3: That's right, great use of fat, good word. So there's 134 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 3: also overlay and raised panel Wayne Scotting, and that's what 135 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 3: you're that's what you're gonna find more of these days, 136 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 3: which is a panel that you put over the wall. 137 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 3: And I kind of thought that's like it has always been, 138 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 3: but apparently back in the day it was actually recessed 139 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 3: and built into the wall itself. 140 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it would be even with the with the 141 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 1: wall above it, right, Yeah, So that raised panel, Wayne 142 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:25,680 Speaker 1: Scouting it it it's not the best name for what 143 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: it describes, because from what I could tell, if you 144 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: have what amount to cabinet doors on your wall in 145 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: your dining room, but without handles, that would be considered 146 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: raised panel. Wayne Scotting. It's like a square a square panel, yeah, 147 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 1: with a square routed into maybe like four inches from 148 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: the top and the bottom of the sides. And then 149 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 1: there's that leaves another raised square in the middle of it. Right, Yeah, 150 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 1: that's raised panel. And I just don't it does not 151 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't ring with me. 152 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 2: Yeah you saw it though, right, Yeah. 153 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: I just tried to describe it, and I knew that 154 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,760 Speaker 1: great of a job. But imagine like a square mot in, 155 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: like a raised panel, a raised square of wood and 156 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 1: there's a square moat two thirds of the way in 157 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: or a third of the way in. 158 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 2: Oh my god, how about this. 159 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 3: Imagine if you had one of those cutting boards that 160 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 3: catches the juice, yes, and you screwed it into your wall. 161 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: Right, you just got a bunch of those and you 162 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: lined them up evenly there here you go. Let's raised panel. 163 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: Imagine this. Imagine going on the internet and searching raised 164 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 1: panel wings cotting and then clicking the images and looking. 165 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: At the boy. That's great. I love it. 166 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 3: Uh. It was usually oak traditionally in the past. These 167 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 3: days there's all kinds of other products. Obviously, you can 168 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 3: have MDF, which is medium density fiberboard plywood, you know, 169 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 3: the the in my opinion, kind of the cheap stuff 170 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,720 Speaker 3: you get at the big box store looks fine because 171 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:05,199 Speaker 3: you're gonna end up staining or painting over it. But 172 00:09:05,480 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 3: just make sure it is a stain. Great if you 173 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 3: are going to stain it. Otherwise it might not look great, 174 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 3: but you can always paint over it, which is what 175 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 3: we've done. 176 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's how those the DIY version where it's 177 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: really just dry wall covered with some you know, half 178 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 1: round or whatever molding that forms those squares to make 179 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: it look like, uh, what is it not flat raised panels? Man, 180 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: I can't believe it. That's that's really It's not hard 181 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 1: to do or no, it's not easy to do, but 182 00:09:37,640 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: it's not super hard, especially if you already know your 183 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: way around you know, cutting tools and yeah, miter saws 184 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 1: and like you said, call guns and finishing nail guns. 185 00:09:47,880 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you've got if you're doing it in the 186 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 3: big sheets, you're you're gonna want to use a table 187 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 3: saw where it gets difficult. And I said earlier, you know, 188 00:09:55,440 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 3: it's sort of not too hard as a DIY project. 189 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 3: Where it does get difficult, and this is especially true 190 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 3: in older homes, which we found out. You know, our 191 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:07,079 Speaker 3: house is from nineteen thirty five, so there's not a 192 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 3: straight wall or floor in our house barely. 193 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 2: And then when you go to. 194 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 3: Put this beautifully perfectly rectangular bedboard up, and then you've 195 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 3: got a strip that's two inches wide at the top 196 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 3: and it goes down to about a third of an 197 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 3: inch at the bottom, and you're just like, oh, my lord. 198 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 3: If you're good at that kind of stuff, it's not 199 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:30,599 Speaker 3: so hard. But if that is a challenge for you 200 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 3: cutting something on a long, long angle like that, it 201 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 3: is a challenge for me, then it can get dispiriting, 202 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 3: is the word I'll use. 203 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,959 Speaker 1: I saw. What you wanted to do is you make 204 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: your chair rail even that's all level, and then the 205 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: basement you you shim and then caulk in so that 206 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 1: if you really look close to the baseboard, you'd be like, 207 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: oh that that part of the baseboard has a little 208 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: dip to it. And you like, get out of my house. 209 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 2: Yeah. 210 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 1: I tried really hard to cover that up. But that's 211 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 1: the of diy Wayne scouting projects that call gun because 212 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: you're calling in any grooves or whatever, and then paint, 213 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: priming and paint, and then it does end up looking 214 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: like just one solid group of paneled wood. It's really 215 00:11:15,240 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: a neat thing. 216 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: Do you know the old construction turn. 217 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: Measured twice, cut once. 218 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,599 Speaker 2: That's a good one. Cock and paint. We'll make it 219 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: what it ain't. 220 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: Oh nice, chuck. 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