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Speaker 3: didn't have to be. You might know him as the

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Speaker 3: one time senior black correspondent on The Daily show. He

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Speaker 3: was host of the nightly Show with Larry Wilmore, That'll

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Speaker 3: Give It Away, creator of The Bernie Mac Show, co

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Speaker 3: creator of Insecure on HBO. I love that show, host

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Speaker 4: It's Larry Willmore welcome.

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Speaker 5: Hey, say's such a nice intro. That's so nice.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if you remember that, but I remember that.

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Speaker 1: I was a fan of yours for a long time.

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Speaker 4: Oh well, that's really nice.

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Speaker 5: But what he really loves.

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Speaker 5: Larry, that's hilarious.

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Speaker 4: You take the good, you take the bad, you take

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Speaker 1: I really was the kid who dreamed of being on there,

443
00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:19,720
Speaker 1: and so they'll actually be on a show.

444
00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,320
Speaker 5: I'll never forget. I had a dressing room. It was

445
00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,520
Speaker 5: like in a trailer outside and I saw the tram.

446
00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,159
Speaker 1: Go by that I used to be on, and I

447
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,800
Speaker 1: want to kind of wave and through the moment.

448
00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:29,520
Speaker 4: How old were you?

449
00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:34,360
Speaker 1: I was in my early twenties, twenty one, twenty two.

450
00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,160
Speaker 5: Something like that. And I'll never forget.

451
00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:39,600
Speaker 1: Tony Danza came by and they all knew who he was,

452
00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:40,800
Speaker 1: and he was like, yeah, I'm doing.

453
00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:42,880
Speaker 5: This new show. We just did the pilot over there.

454
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:45,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was who's the boss? That turned out

455
00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,240
Speaker 1: to be you know, of course, and it was so cosey.

456
00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:50,040
Speaker 1: They were doing the Jefferson's right down the hall. It

457
00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:51,919
Speaker 1: was such a jobish thing. But the girls on the

458
00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,119
Speaker 1: show were really nice, you really really nice. Yeah, And

459
00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:57,600
Speaker 1: Charlotte Ray played in some garrett. I was already a

460
00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,680
Speaker 1: fan of hers, such a pro she was so nice,

461
00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:00,600
Speaker 1: but it it was fun.

462
00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,800
Speaker 3: Could you tell because Kim Fields sort of had a

463
00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:06,440
Speaker 3: similar trajectory. She ended up writing, she ended up show running,

464
00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,200
Speaker 3: she ended up at movies like she does a lot more,

465
00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,639
Speaker 3: yeah than you know that sitcom. Could you tell at

466
00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:15,320
Speaker 3: the time that Kim Fields was going to be not

467
00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,919
Speaker 3: just a star of a sitcom, but like that she

468
00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:21,119
Speaker 3: was a real smart writer, producer, et cetera.

469
00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:23,800
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if I could tell that, but

470
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:26,800
Speaker 1: her mom, Chip Fields, was I think a manager at

471
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Speaker 1: the time. So Kim's got that in her of there's

472
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,200
Speaker 1: more than just what you're doing. Yeah, you know, so

473
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Speaker 1: it doesn't surprise me. She was one of the most

474
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Speaker 1: likable ones on that cast. I think the audience loved

475
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:39,040
Speaker 1: Kim Fields.

476
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Speaker 5: You know, she was so too.

477
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Speaker 4: I mean even the name right, skates, I mean all

478
00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:45,840
Speaker 4: of it love.

479
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 1: I would see her years later and I just played

480
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 1: a small part and she always remembered.

481
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Speaker 5: She was always so nice and lovely. Yeah, couldn't.

482
00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,880
Speaker 1: I was like, man, she's so nice and she kind

483
00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,080
Speaker 1: of has that reputation. It's funny, you know, we always

484
00:20:57,119 --> 00:21:00,080
Speaker 1: say the stories about people being this and that, but

485
00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,359
Speaker 1: I'll tell you that cast was just great. It was

486
00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 1: just really nice people. It wasn't like one of those

487
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 1: nasty situation type things.

488
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,560
Speaker 5: Yes, it's fun. That was my that's my break.

489
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 3: You also wrote for Fresh Prince of bel Air, which

490
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 3: was also very important to me as as a child.

491
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:17,880
Speaker 5: I only write shows that important to you.

492
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:22,800
Speaker 4: Well, obviously, clearly what was Will Smith like then?

493
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,320
Speaker 1: Okay, Will Smith another great guy. He was very approachable.

494
00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,879
Speaker 1: He wasn't standoffish. I was there the last season, so

495
00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't there in some of the early seasons, but

496
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:33,760
Speaker 1: they were very tight group.

497
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Speaker 4: I mean the last season. He was a big star.

498
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Speaker 1: He well he hadn't quite broken out as a movie

499
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 1: star yet. Yeah, he was about to.

500
00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,080
Speaker 4: You know, he was like the biggest thing on TV.

501
00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 5: He was, he was, he was pretty big, you know.

502
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 1: But it's funny that there is that difference when you

503
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:50,359
Speaker 1: go up that next that next step.

504
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 5: Like Michael J.

505
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,959
Speaker 1: Fox, who I got to me years ago, you know

506
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 1: before he was a big star, but family ties made

507
00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 1: him a TV star, but it was back to the

508
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 1: future that really made him a whole whole different category,

509
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: you know, totally, And the same with Will with Men

510
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 1: in Black, it just put him in a just different

511
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,239
Speaker 1: category than fresh prince, but fresh prince for us, you know,

512
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,480
Speaker 1: it was all that and everything, but really cool.

513
00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,400
Speaker 5: I still talk to Will this day.

514
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:14,840
Speaker 1: He used to call me up over the years and

515
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 1: I'd come in and help them pilots punch up that

516
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:17,919
Speaker 1: kind of stuff.

517
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

518
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 1: But we did a special called a Mend, a docu

519
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: series on Netflix about the Fourteenth Amendment that Will hosted

520
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:27,120
Speaker 1: and I produced and I appeared on. It was great

521
00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:28,560
Speaker 1: working with him, and so that was a nice full

522
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 1: circle moment.

523
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Speaker 4: What did you think of the slat It was very

524
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 4: I thought it was very surreal.

525
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 6: Yeah.

526
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Speaker 1: To me, it seemed like Will had an out of

527
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 1: body experience. It seemed like, I know, there's no way

528
00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 1: if he had to do it again, he'd do the

529
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,120
Speaker 1: same thing. That's one of those things where I'm sure

530
00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 1: he'd say.

531
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 4: No, Like that was not the Will Smith.

532
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 5: You knew, absolutely not.

533
00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:51,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, So I don't know what was going

534
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 1: on personally or whatever. I have no idea, but it

535
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: was so out of character.

536
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 5: And he's very aware.

537
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,360
Speaker 1: Will knows, he's very aware of what Hollywood is, how

538
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: meaningful it is. He's very aware of the history, the legacies,

539
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 1: protecting your legacy like he Tom Cruise. Those type of people,

540
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 1: they always seem to protect their legacies so so much.

541
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: You could tell the people that do that, right, those

542
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,919
Speaker 1: big starts. So yes, why would Will Smith do that?

543
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 1: It seems so out of character. It had to have

544
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: been some out of body experience where he just left

545
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,959
Speaker 1: himself for a second and forgot about that because somebody

546
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: of that stature just doesn't make sense, you know, it

547
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:28,480
Speaker 1: really didn't.

548
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 3: I mean from a pr point of view or a

549
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 3: really any point of view, it really didn't make sense.

550
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: There's no point of view it makes sense. And Chris

551
00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 1: Rock's a comedian. You know, he's a comedian. You know

552
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: he's making jokes. Yeah, you know, he's going to make

553
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 1: jokes that are going to be off color, that type

554
00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,439
Speaker 1: of thing. That's but that's why he's Chris Rock. That's

555
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 1: why we love him. So yeah, you know, and if

556
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: you have a real beef with them, you have it afterwards.

557
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 5: You know, you don't have it like that live TV.

558
00:23:50,160 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, No, no, no, no. Can can I get personal

559
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 7: with you?

560
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 5: Yeah? Absolutely? But do you want to know, girl.

561
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 4: How did you meet your ex wife?

562
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: I met my ex wife through a blind date set

563
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 1: up by a dear friend of mine who's still a differend.

564
00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:26,359
Speaker 1: And we went out briefly, and then we didn't date,

565
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 1: and then I called her out a year later, and

566
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,400
Speaker 1: then we went out like one and then I.

567
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:35,439
Speaker 5: Called her a year later again. It was like a

568
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 5: start and stop type of it.

569
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, and then we I remember, we ended up

570
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 1: just talking on the phone every day and just realized

571
00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 1: just how much we just had in common and liked

572
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: each other, and we just got to do each other

573
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,440
Speaker 1: and that's pretty much.

574
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:50,000
Speaker 5: How it happened.

575
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 4: She was in the business as well.

576
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, she was an actress. She's did a lot

577
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,400
Speaker 1: of stage work. She was from Hawaii. Her name is Leilani,

578
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: and she wanted Tony Broadway. I'm very talented, and she was,

579
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: you know, she did a ton of voice over work,

580
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 1: which I think she still does some of the commercials

581
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: and that kind of stuff. She was the voice of

582
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 1: Specific Telesis. It was one of those things. She was

583
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: one of those Pine Salt ladies, you know, was one

584
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 1: of those if you look.

585
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 5: Back, you go, oh, I remember her.

586
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's a Pine sal lady, and yeah, it's one

587
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: of those things. I met her at a time in

588
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 1: my life where I had dated enough where I knew

589
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 1: whatever I was doing was not working, you know, And

590
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: so I decided to do it differently, consciously with her,

591
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,959
Speaker 1: and I decided to just be friends and get to

592
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,600
Speaker 1: know somebody because I just had no skills in the

593
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: relationship department. And see, I just didn't know what I

594
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: was doing, and I had very low self esteem with that.

595
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 1: I was a very shy growing up when came to girls.

596
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: But having someone who basically was a friend, you know,

597
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: really made that. And I tell you when we had

598
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:59,119
Speaker 1: problems later on, we eventually divorced. But I'm not talking

599
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: on a turn to me. She had some issues with depression,

600
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of it was related to

601
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: our son was diagnosed with autism. He had aspergers, and

602
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: I think she took it very personally. She had a

603
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 1: lot of postpartum things, and it was a very deep

604
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: emotional thing for her. And it's hard as a partner

605
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: sometimes it's hard to penetrate someone else's thing it's that deep,

606
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: you know. So when she got on some medication, you know,

607
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 1: we really couldn't work on our marriage at that point

608
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: because it just wasn't fair somebody just going through that.

609
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,880
Speaker 1: But because this just from my point of view, of course,

610
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 1: I think we had done so much work in the

611
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 1: friend category. At the beginning of our relationship. I was

612
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: there for her as a friend first of all. You know,

613
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,479
Speaker 1: of course, someone you love and you care about. But

614
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: like I threw that out of my mind, the problems

615
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: that we were having during that time, and focused on

616
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: the fact that this is someone in your life that

617
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: you cared deeply about and you have to be there

618
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 1: to support them and that kind of stuff, and it

619
00:26:58,400 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: was really good, you know.

620
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,360
Speaker 5: It was one of those I value that.

621
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: That's how our relationships started, and even now we still talk,

622
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: you know, because we have two kids of course, yep.

623
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,000
Speaker 1: And I just saw her sister and her husband, my

624
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: daughter's doing a show a regional theater right.

625
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 5: Now, and we were all hugging everything.

626
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: Oh, it's so good to see and I was like,

627
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 1: I felt so lucky that that her family is still

628
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: my family in my mind and would be. All that

629
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: love and bond is still there. And I know it's

630
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: because of the way that it started. There was a

631
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 1: deep friendship respect for that seeing the other person as

632
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 1: a person, you know, it was such a big lesson

633
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: in relationships for me at the time.

634
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 3: Well, I love that, and it's so what you said

635
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 3: just really resonated. I a few years ago had a

636
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 3: bit of a nervous breakdown and began working on my

637
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:45,680
Speaker 3: mental health.

638
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:47,440
Speaker 4: I struggled from severe anxiety.

639
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 3: And for this time, when it was really rough, everything

640
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 3: stopped and my family got real small, and with this

641
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 3: was all that mattered, right, getting me better, and I

642
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 3: was able to put like work aside, and all the

643
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,439
Speaker 3: other things stopped, and it was in a way, I mean,

644
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 3: it was very difficult, but it was in a way

645
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 3: very nice to have this one focus as a family.

646
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 3: And then of course, as I you know, started working

647
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 3: on my mental health and getting better, everything else comes

648
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,400
Speaker 3: right back, right, every problem you had and every reality

649
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 3: comes back. But for that time, you really know who

650
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 3: is there for you right in those moments, who will

651
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 3: drop everything to focus on the one thing that matters

652
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: the most in that moment and everything else can wait. Yeah,

653
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,320
Speaker 3: what kind of parents were you? What kind of dad

654
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 3: were you when they were young? What kind of dad

655
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 3: are you?

656
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 6: Now?

657
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 5: That's a great question.

658
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: I know my wife was more of the I wouldn't

659
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,360
Speaker 1: say disciplinarian because we both were that in certain ways.

660
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: But maybe we traded roles or that type of thing.

661
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: But I was a firmed but I was a fun

662
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: dad too.

663
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 5: You know.

664
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: I always like to bring excitement and you know, pass

665
00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: on the joy of things to the kids and stuff.

666
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: We all laughed a lot, you know, that sort of thing.

667
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,239
Speaker 1: But it was the one of the funnest roles was

668
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,080
Speaker 1: being the heavy when I had to.

669
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 4: You know, it was fun.

670
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: So oh my god, because when kids are little, you know,

671
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: this is see they're so hilarious, yes, you know, like

672
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: and the thing is, this is why it so irks

673
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: me when I see parents that don't discipline their children,

674
00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: you know, because I'm like, this is the time when

675
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: you can do it when they're small.

676
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 5: You're not.

677
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: If you don't do it now, good luck later, because

678
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 1: you know, you're just gonna release this monster into the world,

679
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: you know. But uh so, like one thing, like, you know,

680
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: you can't really spanker kids that type of thing, but

681
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: in public, like I would pinch them sometimes they did,

682
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: and I look them in the eye because nobody can

683
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 1: see you pinching.

684
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 5: They're like oh, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, we're not

685
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 5: gonna do that. Anymore. No, you know, that of thing.

686
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,239
Speaker 1: But my kids had a good sense of what's right

687
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: and what's wrong. So if they did something wrong that

688
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: was really bad, my wife would send them to me

689
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: in the den, and it's in there, and they come in,

690
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 1: I'll say everything it's I mean, it's so adorable.

691
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, and I would.

692
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: Just say, okay, tell me what happened, you know, oh

693
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: John did what were you right or were you wrong?

694
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 5: What I was wrong? Okay? All right, Well what do

695
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 5: you need? What do you need to do? You know?

696
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 5: Tell them I'm sorry, okay, all right.

697
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: You know we did talk about what's the right thing

698
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 1: to do, what's the wrong thing.

699
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 5: Yeah.

700
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: I always tried to use language properly with my kids.

701
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: Like we would go to church. My wife sang in

702
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: the in the choir at Saint Charles Burmo. Paul Solomonovitch

703
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: is this great choir director. They sang for the Pope

704
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: and all kinds of it was legendary choir. And she

705
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: she has beautiful she's sang in that choir. If we

706
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: were in church, I would never tell the kids to

707
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 1: be quiet in church, okay, never said that.

708
00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 5: I would say show respect.

709
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, because.

710
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: I wanted them to learn the distinction and behavior. You know,

711
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: quiet you're not really doing something.

712
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 5: But if you're showing respect, that's active.

713
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 4: You know, that's so good.

714
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, being quiet is more passive, but showing respect they

715
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 1: have to actively do that.

716
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 3: So and be quiet sounds like a punishment, which it does,

717
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: and be respectful as not.

718
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 5: And they're more in control of being respectful. Yeah.

719
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: You know.

720
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 1: Also if they know the distinction, they know that quiet

721
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: to me has a time limit to it, but respect doesn't. Yeah, yeah,

722
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: there no, So just having distinctions with them and using

723
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 1: language carefully and that type of thing. I was always

724
00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: aware of the language that I use with the kids.

725
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: And when they got a little older, we would have

726
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 1: great conversations stuff like that. And I remember having one

727
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: with my daughter and she goes, oh, Dad, I wish

728
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: you could.

729
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:50,959
Speaker 5: Raise my kids. And I said, what do you think

730
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 5: I'm doing now?

731
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: She goes, oh, you know, like so we used to

732
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 1: have that type of stuff. But I really enjoyed the

733
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 1: conversations we'd have. We'd have philosophical conversations, fun conversations and

734
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 1: things like that. So we and they're very close to

735
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 1: their mom in that way too.

736
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 5: You know.

737
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all have that type of type of relationship,

738
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: which is great. Although my son talks to her way more.

739
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 1: I have to get things out of him, like she'll

740
00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:18,959
Speaker 1: call me, said to John, tell you he's trying to say. No,

741
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: he never talks to me. He tells you everything, you know.

742
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: So they have like this secret relationship. I don't know

743
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: where she gets to know everything.

744
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 4: As we do. We do with our boys, we do.

745
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: She gets to know things months before I even know.

746
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 8: That's the things.

747
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 5: Yeah, so there you go.

748
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 3: So then in twenty fifteen, tell me if I'm wrong,

749
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 3: you have to move for work. You moved to New

750
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 3: York right for the night they show what was that

751
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 3: like on your family?

752
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: That was tough because we were going through a breakup

753
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: at that time. So those things are happening at the

754
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: same time. We have been in marriage counseling for almost

755
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 1: eight or nine years.

756
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 5: For a long time. No, we worked on it for

757
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 5: a long time. Yeah, it had reached its.

758
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: End, I guess you could say, but it was unfortunate timing.

759
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: So it's a bit of a strain. But you know,

760
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: real tough of me because I'm missing my family and

761
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: all that stuff. And then your second guess am I

762
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: doing the right thing?

763
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 5: Blah blah blah.

764
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: So when I was doing the night the show, I

765
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: was going through all that, especially in the first year,

766
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: it was very, very difficult and feeling very alone there

767
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: in New York too, you know.

768
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 3: And was this your big Like did you feel the

769
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 3: weight of this show, the pressure of this show your

770
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 3: name's on it? You know? Was that daunting to you

771
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 3: or had you already done so much that you were

772
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 3: just like, I'm ready.

773
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 5: Yeah.

774
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: I used to joke with people, I said, U, h

775
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: is success gonna give you a big head? I'm like,

776
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm fifty two. Success had its chance when I was younger.

777
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: You know, Sorry, success, You're a little too late, you know. Yeah, like, sorry,

778
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: I'm going through a divorce, you know, do this. You know,

779
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: I got success your way, but you he're so far

780
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 1: in back of the line, you know.

781
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

782
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 1: In fact, some of it I kind of resented because

783
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: I loved being successful and anonymous. It was great, you know,

784
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: but losing anonymity is not fun, you know. And and

785
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: it was a little too much attention, Like I don't

786
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: I'm not a performer for the attention. I'm a performer

787
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: for the expression. So it's so even when I did

788
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: stand up, you know, I love doing it, but after

789
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,720
Speaker 1: the show I wouldn't hang around, you know, the audience

790
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: or that type of thing. So I was always shy

791
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: because I was shy growing up and stuff. But I

792
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: love performing, but I do it for the expression of it.

793
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 1: I love figuring out the joke and then seeing if

794
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,479
Speaker 1: it works yeah yeah, and then if it works, hey

795
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,600
Speaker 1: I did it, you know. But some people do it

796
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: for the attention they need the laughs to validate them.

797
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: For me, I want the laughs to validate the joke,

798
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, not to validate me. So my friends and

799
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: family are there to validate me, you know, and all

800
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: that stuff. So luckily I got there to unluckily so

801
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:50,320
Speaker 1: when the nightly show like I'm on billboards and taxi

802
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: cabs are going by, it was way too much, I see.

803
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, it was. I was a

804
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: good God, no wonder people turn into monsters who nobody

805
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: should have this much attention. That's what I was time.

806
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: You know, some of it was flattering, but honestly, it

807
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 1: was too much. I just I always felt it was

808
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: too much. Anytime I see a poster of my big

809
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 1: head on it. I'm like, that head is huge. Nobody

810
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: needs their big head on a thing like this. I'm like, so,

811
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:16,959
Speaker 1: I was kind of like, even when my show went away,

812
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: I was sad that it went away, but I wasn't

813
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: really it was kind of a relief.

814
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 4: There was some upside.

815
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, there was a bit that was that was.

816
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: Too much for me as a person, not as a performer,

817
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 1: but as a person.

818
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 4: I get that.

819
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I've heard you talk about work, and

820
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 3: you know how, in some ways you don't feel like

821
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: you've ever worked, because you know you've gotten to do

822
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 3: so much of.

823
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,080
Speaker 4: What you've loved. But where in the universe of your life,

824
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 4: where do you put work? With family? You know, all

825
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 4: the things. Where's work for you?

826
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 3: For some people, it's really like the central part of

827
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 3: their life, right, where is it for you?

828
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 5: Well?

829
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: For me, you're right, because I don't consider it work

830
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: because I divorced that concept years ago. I wrote an

831
00:35:57,040 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: essay on LinkedIn years ago about deciding to give that

832
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: up when I was selling bookstore to Doring College, and

833
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,720
Speaker 1: I went into many people's homes and just saw people

834
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: felt trapped in things, and I decided to choose a path.

835
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: You know that would kind of bring me fulfillment, and

836
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: I saw what I was doing for a living is

837
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: just kind of walking down this path, and that success

838
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: was where I started, not where I ended, and showbiz

839
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 1: was just different examples of that success as opposed to

840
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 1: a road to success, you know. So I've always viewed

841
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: work as the kind of a means to have expression

842
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 1: in that sort of thing.

843
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 5: So it's never been a burden on me.

844
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: You know, it's a burden in other ways, you know,

845
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,080
Speaker 1: the physicality of it all, having.

846
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 5: The righting things like that.

847
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: But I'm very lucky in the fact that, you know,

848
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: the thing that I do is my expression, you know,

849
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: and so and I'm driven in that way more so

850
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,760
Speaker 1: than like I'm not competitive with other people. I'm competitive

851
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: with myself, you know. So I want to be, you know,

852
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 1: the best in that way. But I don't have any

853
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: demons associated with it that other than my procrastination demons,

854
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: like I have like so many different levels of procrastination.

855
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: It's crazy, you know, Like I have ways to procrastinate

856
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: my procrastinating, you know, true, because because they're categories, like

857
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: they're the worst is productive procrastination because you're actually getting

858
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: things done.

859
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 5: But it's really procrastinating, you know, so well, I got

860
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 5: to clean my office.

861
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 1: No, you have to write that scriptularry product that it's productive.

862
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 5: Procrastination right right, exactly.

863
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 2: So.

864
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 5: But here's the thing.

865
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: So when I've talked to I've done a lot of

866
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: electroniccologists and that type of stuff. One of my talk

867
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: to kids, I never encourage them to follow their dreams

868
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: as a job or to have to do for their job,

869
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: even what is their passion. I say, you don't have

870
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,120
Speaker 1: to do that, because sometimes your passion can't make you

871
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: any money.

872
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:52,919
Speaker 5: You know, you have to make a living.

873
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: So sometimes choose something that you're just good at, buying

874
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: something that you're good at.

875
00:37:57,640 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 5: You don't have to be passionate about it.

876
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: But something that you're good at you could be producted

877
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: at and it can make money for you. And then

878
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: keep your passion as your hobby. Yeah, because that's expression.

879
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: That's the thing that's that. Look for that. Look for hobby,

880
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: family friends for your happiness, quotion, and look for work

881
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: for your productivity. If happiness comes out of that bonus

882
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 1: round right right, But don't look for work for happy

883
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: you know, because you're you're going to be very disappointed.

884
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 5: In that, you know.

885
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: So I've never luckily, that's never been my happy place.

886
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: It's my fun place, but my happy place. If you

887
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: told me, strip away everything, what are you left with?

888
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 5: Father? That's it.

889
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, one word, it's the only word that really matters

890
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: to me, is father.

891
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 4: You know, Yeah, same, I feel the same.

892
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 5: All it could go away, you know what I mean?

893
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: You know completely, that's the that's the identity, not writer.

894
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:50,360
Speaker 5: Not comedian, and not this you know. Yeah, it's the

895
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:50,839
Speaker 5: thing that.

896
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: Brings It's the thing where my happiness really is in that.

897
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 3: Yes, No, I completely agree and get that. When when

898
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 3: you first had kids, though, did you feel becoming a

899
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:05,479
Speaker 3: father threatened your identity as a comedian a writer?

900
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: Up was red wasn't even related to it and didn't

901
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 1: do it was just its own thing. I call kids

902
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 1: a blessed inconvenience is my name for chic.

903
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 5: That's what they are.

904
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 4: You're like, very inconvenient.

905
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like thank you God, you know, thank you?

906
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 5: All right, Okay, freedom, yeah, yes exactly.

907
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: But the cost of the benefit of that loss of

908
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: freedom is happy.

909
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 5: It's everything. It's everything, it's everything exactly.

910
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: So No, I never connected those you know, In fact,

911
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: if anything. I was worried that work would get in.

912
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 5: The way of that. And in fact, I remember.

913
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: Looking at pictures of my wife with the kids, like

914
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,360
Speaker 1: on some day and I'm like, where was imes?

915
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 5: Like you were at work? Ass you missed all that?

916
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: Sorry for the language here, but I'm like, how do

917
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: I miss those days?

918
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,439
Speaker 5: I missed so many days?

919
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: I see, like when my kids were little, it's when

920
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 1: I was working the most hours. Yeah, because I was

921
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: at the most productive time of my life during that period,

922
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: you know.

923
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 5: And that's you. But you know, there's all those trade

924
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:11,240
Speaker 5: offs in your life.

925
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, and there's no right answer.

926
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 3: I mean I constantly doing that in my mind too,

927
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 3: the guilt of like I'm working my ass off right now,

928
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: but it's for him, it's you know, and for me,

929
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 3: and that makes me a better mom being.

930
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,040
Speaker 4: You know. It's these circular conversations.

931
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 5: Like come, you're never hears it. I'm working for your.

932
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's true. It's tough. Okay, I want to

933
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,479
Speaker 4: do a sort of sort of a lightning round.

934
00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 3: I think you might have already said this, but Okay,

935
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 3: who's the funniest person you know.

936
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,839
Speaker 1: The funniest person I know personally? Yeah, the funniest person

937
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 1: I know personally. Unfortunately I lost a couple years ago

938
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: as my brother Mark. Okay, Mark was so funny, and

939
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: Mark could make himself look like people. I mean when

940
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: we were kids, he could do his face like Milton.

941
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,959
Speaker 1: He just goes, you know, it's just like it just transformed,

942
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 1: like he could do anybody. But Mark was so deeply funny,

943
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 1: and anybody that knew him thought the same thing.

944
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 5: So, yeah, my little.

945
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 4: Burrow, Who's the funniest person that I would know?

946
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: There's several people in that category, and there's different ways

947
00:41:18,640 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: in which they are funny. I've been so fortunate because

948
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: I've worked with some really funny people.

949
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked about Carl Reiner, Eddie Murphy.

950
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 5: Let me tell you, oh my god.

951
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: I mean as a performer, Eddie's very quiet personally, but

952
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: as a performer, I mean, you just cannot stop laughing.

953
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 5: He's just so just so raw funny.

954
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: Bernie Mack was really really funny, and Living Color was

955
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: the funniest show I worked on because the writers were

956
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: hilarious and the performers. The writers are arguably funnier than

957
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:51,279
Speaker 1: the performers sometimes, right, we have one writer named Less Firestine.

958
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: Oh god god, he was so funny. And we used

959
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: to do this thing I see where we would be

960
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: working till all hours of the night, like three or

961
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 1: four in the morning, so by one or in the

962
00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 1: morning we do skits for each other. We got so

963
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: fun Oh man, we perform for each other and the

964
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: darkest stuff ever that you you could not ever if

965
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: you knew the stuff we were doing, we would have

966
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: been arrested immediately just for the subject matter.

967
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 5: I mean so dark.

968
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 1: I think you would have appreciated, because I know, I

969
00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: know your mind is very dark.

970
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 5: I would no, I've actually serious.

971
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: You would have enjoyed it. I believe nothing, nothing was sacred.

972
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: Everything you could make jokes about.

973
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 4: I love that. I love dangerous comedy. I love Regu Turvas.

974
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 3: I love people who you know, really push the envelope

975
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 3: but are smart and funny.

976
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, me too.

977
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: You hosted the White House Correspondence Dinner. I was there.

978
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:45,359
Speaker 3: This is a quiz. The first White House Correspondence Dinner

979
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: was a in eighteen eighty eight, b in nineteen twenty one,

980
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 3: or c.

981
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 4: Nineteen fifty four.

982
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 5: I'm going to say nineteen twenty one.

983
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 4: You're right, you are correct, ding Ding Ding. What's your

984
00:42:58,400 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 4: favorite movie?

985
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 5: See, it's a.

986
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: There's a competition there, we competition if I'm forced to

987
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: choose one. See, it's hard for me not to have

988
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 1: Marx brothers in there, just because they're so influential growing up.

989
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: Like Animal Crackers is not a great movie, but it's

990
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 1: still one of my favorite for you, Yeah, for me,

991
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,319
Speaker 1: and Buster Keaton's up there too. The Graduate is a

992
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: movie that I can watch time and time again.

993
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 4: Perfect movie.

994
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot on there for this. I just

995
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: saw Coolie High again when I was a kid. That

996
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 1: movie meant so much to me.

997
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 4: Favorite band.

998
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 5: The Beatles.

999
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,959
Speaker 1: Me too, big Beatle fan. I'm talking to ma about

1000
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: this actually the Beatles.

1001
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I know.

1002
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 1: And I got the Beatles later though, because I like

1003
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: a lot of different kinds of music. By the way,

1004
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: I'm a multi genre, yes person. Yes, sometimes it's move related.

1005
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 1: But I had slept on the Beatles growing up, you know,

1006
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of knew who they were, blah

1007
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 1: blah blah. But when John Lennon died, I remember my

1008
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: brother got some eight track or something or Ca said

1009
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: he had in his car. The Beatles live at the

1010
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: Hollywood Bowl and he was playing it and I was

1011
00:44:07,600 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: listening to the audience. I'm like, good Lord, I'm like Jesus,

1012
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 1: like I had forgotten the phenomena that was the Beatles

1013
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: because I was really too young to appreciate that.

1014
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 5: But just hearing the people scream, I thought, let me could,

1015
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 5: let me look into these.

1016
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: So I started. I did the discography. I started with

1017
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 1: their first album and I went in order. You know,

1018
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: so good, and I'm so glad that I did. I

1019
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: fell in love with them as a group too. There

1020
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: was a special Malcolm MacDowell did called The Complete Beatles.

1021
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: It's still one of the best. Yes, you know he

1022
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: did at the time, and oh, I just completely I

1023
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,800
Speaker 1: went down that rabbit hole and just drank all the

1024
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: kool aid. Yeah, you know, it was all in on

1025
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: the Beatles and just from then on, that's that's, that's

1026
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:50,600
Speaker 1: my group.

1027
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 3: It always amazed me that they were a band for

1028
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 3: five years. Five years, that's it. Five years and they

1029
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 3: made the most important music of history.

1030
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 4: I mean, I just yeah, you can't get over how

1031
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 4: talented they were.

1032
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 5: It's crazy.

1033
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 3: Finally, this question is very important to me culturallym When

1034
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 3: is iced coffee season?

1035
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: See, for me, it's never ice coffee season never, Well,

1036
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: why why do I want to make my coffee cold?

1037
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 4: You know you don't want to sip it. You want

1038
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 4: to inject it into your veins.

1039
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,839
Speaker 5: You want it. Cockee Coffee knows its job. Coffee knows

1040
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 5: its job. You know.

1041
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 3: Well, that's it's the wrong answer. The right answer is

1042
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:34,760
Speaker 3: year round, year round. But you learn from a person by.

1043
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: Asking you, like, I don't like food, trying to trick me,

1044
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: that's something else. Okay, So coffee ice coffee is trying

1045
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: to trick me that it's iced tea.

1046
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,400
Speaker 5: But you're not coffee. You are not.

1047
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: You know you're not, So stop it. It's like couscous

1048
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,959
Speaker 1: trying to pretend it's rice. No, you're not couscous. You're

1049
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 1: you're not rice. Stop trying to act like it. You

1050
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 1: know rice is rice. That's why we have it. That's

1051
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: why it's there. That's why they had to come to

1052
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,800
Speaker 1: the term impossible burger, because you know, you're acknowledging the

1053
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: fact that there's no way.

1054
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 5: That's a burger.

1055
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,360
Speaker 1: So at least you acknowledge it. Yeah, at least you

1056
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: acknowledged that this is impossible. Because I agree with you,

1057
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: I don't know what this is, but you're right, it

1058
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: is impossible. But I don't like food that's trying to

1059
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: trick me. So I believe, I believe ice coffee at

1060
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 1: its core, and it will admit this is engage in

1061
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: a deceptive campaign.

1062
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 4: Well on behalf of iced coffee. I am sorry you.

1063
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 5: Feel your way, but sorry ice coffee.

1064
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 4: We love, we love ice coffee. Larry Wilmore. This was

1065
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:26,479
Speaker 4: such a treat. Thank you so much.

1066
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 5: It was my pleasure.

1067
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,399
Speaker 3: Next week on Off the Cup, I talked to two

1068
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 3: of my favorite politicos, but not about politics.

1069
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 8: You were on the team because they drafted him first,

1070
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 8: and you are the traveling trailing sibling. So I had

1071
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 8: my houch ego rocked pretty hard at age twelve.

1072
00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: It's Congressman Eric Swollwell and former Congressman Adam Kinsinger.

1073
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:51,120
Speaker 5: You can freak yourself out in the cockpit.

1074
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 4: You really could, because you're I'm freaked out right now

1075
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 4: just hearing the.

1076
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 3: Off the Cup is a production of iHeart Podcasts as

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00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,919
Speaker 3: part of the Recent Choice Network. I'm Your Hostess Cupp

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00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 3: editing and sound designed by Derek Clements. Our executive producers

1079
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Speaker 3: are Messie Cupp, Lauren Hanson, and Lindsay Hoffman. If you

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00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 3: like Off the Cup, please rate and review wherever you

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