1 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, we're back and welcome back to Golden Hour. 2 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us again. Boy, do we 3 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: have a show today for you? 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 2: How you doing today's Susan? Great? 5 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: Good, Kathy? 6 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 2: Yes, all right, we're here today. We are back to 7 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: talk about the newest episode of the Golden Bachelor, and 8 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: there is so much to discuss. I gotta start. We 9 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 2: don't know where to start. Let's just say bachelination. Susan 10 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 2: and I are not happy today. We are not happy 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: after watch. That might be the understatement of the air, 12 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 2: but I got to say the intro when Robin, you know, 13 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 2: you see her saying self serving, self promotion, She's not honest. 14 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna let you jump in because we are 15 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 2: talking about first things, first year. Let's talk about what 16 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 2: we both think about our friend to be Nicole. 17 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:00,840 Speaker 1: Should we start with her and with because she might 18 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: start podcasts? 19 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 2: Oh no, I got other things. You go go jump in. 20 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: Let me start with Oh my goodness, Nicole. Seriously, she's 21 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: sitting there whispering about not dating Mel but she's dating 22 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: everyone in America, those that are watching and aren't watching. 23 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: It's about exposure. Then she sits down and tells the 24 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: girls everything, and one she. 25 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 2: Admits to be wanting to be an influencer. 26 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: Don't forget that, obviously, And I am going to confront 27 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 1: her when I meet her about how pretty they all are. 28 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: But we weren't so great looking on our show, really. 29 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 2: Nicole, Okay, so go ahead. 30 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:47,840 Speaker 1: Why would you say something like that? I mean, obviously 31 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: you're you are there for the wrong reasons. Okay. 32 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 2: So Bachelor has a phrase right coming doing these things, 33 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 2: for being there for the right reasons and being there 34 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 2: for the wrong reasons. I have a metal that I 35 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 2: want to give to Nicole. It says you are there 36 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 2: for all the wrong reasons. We're going to put it 37 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 2: around her neck, and Nicole, it is the first annual, 38 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 2: but we may have to retire it with you. Just 39 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 2: retire it's yours, Kathy. 40 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 1: How about when she presented the lemon bars and took 41 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: all the credit. 42 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: Okay, but wait, let's let's again. Here's my problem with Nicole. 43 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: I'm sure she's lovely, and I'll tell you why. I 44 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 2: say that women should support women, and that is my 45 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 2: problem as a golden myself, and as a Golden who 46 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 2: was on the Golden Bachelor, I have a real problem 47 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 2: with a woman, any woman who's part of our tribe, 48 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 2: part of the Bachelor family, saying pejorative negative things about 49 00:02:52,520 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 2: those of us who were on the show, and that 50 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 2: all the comments that came out of her mouth tell 51 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 2: me I'm sure she's a love person, but the fact 52 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 2: is it is not supportive to women. And that's what 53 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:07,839 Speaker 2: I really struggle with. 54 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: It's like, bold face, lie everyone. We saw everybody working 55 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: on the lemon bars in the kitchen, and honestly, she's 56 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 1: full of shit. Again, I'm going to give her a 57 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: that was a lie that she did all the work 58 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: and it made it with the. 59 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it is good TV. Let's be clear. And 60 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 2: to the extent that she's trying to get Mel's attention, 61 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 2: they you know, all's fair in love and war. I mean, 62 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: I'm not. The behavior I have an issue with is 63 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: being critical of other women and saying we didn't look 64 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: as good. I think that sends the wrong message to 65 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 2: people of our age and that's what I don't think. 66 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: And what do you look like? What you're showing America, 67 00:03:57,560 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 1: this is who I am. I don't think that's very active. 68 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: Beauty goes way further than a look. Well, that's what 69 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 1: I suck in somebody's face. I'm sure I might like 70 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: you to call when I meet you, and I might not. 71 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 2: Because Nicole let me just Susan's one hundred percent Italian, 72 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 2: and if she doesn't like you, you might just want 73 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 2: to call in sick. 74 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: Just all the bullshit and just playing a part to 75 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 1: get somewhere is not what the Bachelor franchise stands for. 76 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: This is supposed to be about love. 77 00:04:32,440 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 2: It's not only about love, Susan. You that's for you, 78 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: and I disagree. I don't think. I think it is 79 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 2: the framework. We all want people to fall in love. 80 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,479 Speaker 2: We all hopefully there's a wedding at the end. But 81 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: I think it's about making friendships and connections. 82 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: But if you're standing there bullshit and then calling everybody, 83 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: they didn't do anything. It's all me. She's trying to shine. 84 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: I think it's it's not attractive to me, though. 85 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 2: I think you're saying it's disingenuous. She's not being genuine 86 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 2: to him. How many? 87 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: How many when they walked away together and she is, 88 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: we are going to make good TV? 89 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: What well? And guess what, Susan, she's got a lash. 90 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 2: She's gonna make really good TV. Here's the question. Do 91 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: you want to make really good TV and maybe make 92 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 2: a lot of enemies or is you know, is there 93 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 2: no is bad press still good press? I mean whatever. 94 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 2: I just have a problem with, uh, with calling out 95 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 2: women of a certain age because we don't look the 96 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 2: way they looked. Some of us did. Some of us did, 97 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 2: so I'm a problem with that. I want to talk 98 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 2: about the photo shoot. 99 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: I enjoyed that that photo shoot. I loved when Cindy 100 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: was rolling and they were all looking, but I couldn't 101 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,239 Speaker 1: help Debbie's face look so hurt. 102 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 2: I mean, okay, so let's talk about that. I would 103 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 2: love nothing more Cindy and mel rolling around on that 104 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 2: beach shield fabulous in the bathing suit. Who wouldn't want 105 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 2: to be with their guy rolling on a beach making 106 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 2: out in the you know, golden hour in the in 107 00:06:01,279 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 2: the afternoon whatever. Of course, it's TV, so of course 108 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 2: there's a camera crew watching and filming. I mean the 109 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: women watching. Again, it's TV, so of course they're going 110 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: to have them watching so they can drool and say 111 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 2: I wish it was me, you know, I get that, 112 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 2: But that to me was like a lovely show of 113 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: their love is growing and I liked seeing that it 114 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 2: was not. 115 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: As much as I liked so cute. She's just adorable. 116 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 2: The other photoshoot was Debbie in the as a beach bride. 117 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: Given the fact that Debbie has never been married, I 118 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 2: thought that was very sweet. It brought me back though 119 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 2: to our season where Nancy was crying because she hadn't 120 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:48,239 Speaker 2: been in a wedding gown since her wedding. People really 121 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 2: struggled with those wedding gowns. In this case, I was like, oh, Beatnae, 122 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 2: you got this one so right. First of all, it 123 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 2: wasn't really a wedding dress. It was a white slip dress, 124 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 2: kind of sexy, very pretty. Debbie's never been married. I thought, 125 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 2: this is sweet. You know, it could be who knows 126 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 2: how it ends up, It could be Debbie and Mel 127 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 2: having a beach wedding. I thought that was a sweet, 128 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 2: sweet moment. I love that. 129 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: Let's talk about our Mel for a second. First of all, 130 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: I get it he wants to kiss every single one 131 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: of them. 132 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 2: I disagree his mark. 133 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: Well, I would want to kiss some. 134 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 2: I don't think he wants to kiss any of them. 135 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: I don't always kiss him. 136 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,440 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about the kiss but just the fact 137 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: that he is kissing okay, and some of the things 138 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: that he says afterwards. He really loved that Nicole was 139 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: all about him. 140 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 2: What man doesn't want to have it all about them? Well, 141 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 2: this is true, This is true. I mean that's you know, 142 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 2: men think with they have two heads, and usually the 143 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 2: thinking with the smaller of the two. Sorry, we got 144 00:07:59,920 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 2: to talk about we've we've the group day when he 145 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 2: said hate girls, I literally threw my straw at the 146 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 2: TV and said, hate girls. You know, come on their women. 147 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: I want to talk though about So I think we've 148 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: covered how we how we both feel about Nicole. I 149 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: can't wait to meet her. I'm gonna I'm just gonna 150 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: go with women supporting women. She said it. Maybe it 151 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 2: was taken out of context. 152 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: I loved Robin showed a lot of class that she 153 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: was the one that said to mel not everyone's here 154 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 1: for the right reason. And she didn't mention any names. 155 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 2: That kept it and then she went home. Yes, so 156 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 2: you know what, was she smart? I don't know you 157 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:45,960 Speaker 2: think that's why he sent her home because I have 158 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 2: no idea. I was not there, but I just am 159 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 2: making a connection. She she said something she want to 160 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 2: but here, uh, I don't. I just have to be honest. 161 00:08:54,840 --> 00:08:57,160 Speaker 2: One more thing about Nicole. I don't see them together. 162 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 2: I think melt Me looks a little bit like a 163 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 2: deer in the headlights. At doesn't well, he doesn't seem 164 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 2: I want to get into the date with Peg. And 165 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 2: this is my preamble for his one on white Peg. Okay, okay, 166 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 2: well here's my preamble on it. I think that for 167 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: whatever reason, he is uncomfortable. I watch body language when 168 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 2: he's hugging them or kiss him. He's sort of looking away, 169 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: looking out. He doesn't really accept. With Cindy on the 170 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 2: on the surf making out session, he seems to be 171 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: into that, no pun intended. He sucks face, Yeah, but 172 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: we can't really see his face when he's sucking face 173 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 2: with Nicole. But the other women when he's kissing them, 174 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 2: his eyes are open. He seems stiff. I don't know 175 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 2: what that's about. I'm not condemning him for it. I'm 176 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 2: just when a man kisses me, and especially at our age, 177 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 2: come on, we know how to kiss. So I just 178 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,040 Speaker 2: found the lot. So that brings me to the one 179 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 2: on one with Peg at the OC Fair. For those 180 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 2: of you who don't know. 181 00:09:57,880 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: O C. 182 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 2: Fair is the Orange County Fair. Uh and she I 183 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 2: loved she? Wait, so she's she's so fun, she's he 184 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 2: talks about her high energy. She says she wants a 185 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 2: strong man. I watched that peg reminds me of me 186 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 2: in some way. 187 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:18,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, she does that a lot. 188 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 2: You know, rip him right out? Were you really going 189 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 2: to say you thought I liked. 190 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 1: She reminded me of me because she was excitable and 191 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:29,719 Speaker 1: hyper and she was winning the game, so she was 192 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:32,200 Speaker 1: a better athlete than I am. That part could be you, 193 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: because she and I love that. She said, when you 194 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 1: accept this bear or whatever? 195 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 2: Yes, and he said, we accept this monkey. Very cute. However, 196 00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 2: did you notice the awkwardness when she put her arm 197 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 2: that The essay used to call it the pregnant pause. Right, 198 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,439 Speaker 2: you think he's going to lean in and he doesn't. 199 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: I didn't see. I go back and watch Susan. He's 200 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 2: she's kind of encouraging him. We're women, we know how 201 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 2: to do that, right. She he sort of puts her 202 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 2: arm on him. She's leaning in, He's not leaning in. 203 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 2: He says, I love her energy. 204 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: He loves that she's herself. 205 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, herself. But I don't see him. I see him 206 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 2: having a good To me, it looks like he's having 207 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: a good time with a Peg. Seems like a lot 208 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 2: of fun. 209 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: But she was singing to him when they went to 210 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: see Casey in the Sunshine. 211 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 2: I think he was sorry, what did you just say? 212 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:28,439 Speaker 1: What in the Sunshine? 213 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 2: She was singing to him. 214 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: He's looking at seeknew the words Kathy. 215 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: He didn't No. My point is he's looking at her like, yeah, 216 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: you having fun? Like I don't see him, you know, 217 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 2: putting his arms around her, snuggling into her, kissing her 218 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 2: during the music. 219 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: He pulled her in. He pulled her in. I think 220 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: that's mel I don't think he's the forward. He's waiting 221 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: for them to come to him because he's sitting back 222 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: and he's trying all the flavors until he makes his decision. 223 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,840 Speaker 2: We're almost halfway through the show and I don't other 224 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 2: than Cindy, other than Cindy and that makeout session, I'm 225 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 2: not I want to see him. I think Peg is 226 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,199 Speaker 2: a blast. I keep trying to wash her head of hair. 227 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: If I'm being honest, I want her head of hair 228 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 2: and I want her cleavage. Okay, that's I've said it. 229 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 2: But she seems like a blast. But I just don't 230 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 2: see him engaging at the same level she is. 231 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: Have you seen him engage at any of the other 232 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 1: woman's level. 233 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 2: No, That's why I say to you, it may just 234 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 2: be him. He seems a little stiff, almost like he 235 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 2: doesn't know how to proceed, which I find interesting given 236 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 2: that he was an NFL player, so he definitely was 237 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 2: in the public eye. Now he's a sports attorney, so 238 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 2: he's used to being around people. Yet I feel like 239 00:12:51,840 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 2: he's a little I feel like he needs us. Susan, 240 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 2: here's the now. You need Susan and me to come 241 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 2: and give you, Susan and Kathy the Golden Men. We 242 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 2: really do I mean, I mean, I guess that's what 243 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,599 Speaker 2: I'm saying. You know, he said he said that I 244 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 2: don't see him being as vulnerable, I guess is what 245 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 2: I would like. And to your point, where the show 246 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 2: is about finding love, that obviously is one of the 247 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 2: main points. I'm not it should be. I'm not seeing 248 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 2: him being as vulnerable as I would like. 249 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: I don't think he got hit with the the heartache 250 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: yet he hasn't attached himself. He I don't see. 251 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 2: That's what I'm agreeing. 252 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,000 Speaker 1: He's not really falling in love yet for us to 253 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 1: what we're viewing. Maybe something secret inside and he has 254 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,079 Speaker 1: a good way of hiding it, but he's just going 255 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: with the flow. The women are doing everything, but that's 256 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: also part of the show. You've got to show him. 257 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: And I noticed a lot of them are starting to 258 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,599 Speaker 1: open up. They're starting to tell them I'm getting feelings 259 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: for you, yeah, and so on. 260 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: Uh. Two things that I wrote down that I about Peg. 261 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 2: I agree with everything you just said. Mel said her, 262 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 2: which it's the things that I hear on the TV, 263 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 2: and you're right, we don't see at all. But when 264 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,320 Speaker 2: Mel said to her, I can't get in the way 265 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: of your fun, I felt like you're gonna laugh. I 266 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 2: felt like it was two toddlers with parallel play and 267 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: she was the tor having fun. It's like he said, 268 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 2: I don't want to get in the way of your fun. 269 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 2: I thought that was so like it's about a one 270 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 2: on one date to see if you have a connection, 271 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 2: but he's saying I don't want to get in a way 272 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 2: of your fun, Like that's not. 273 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: What Pe was definitely the aggressor and I loved every 274 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: minute of it. When she was at the concerts a dance, 275 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: you know, like, let's go Mel, let's go show me something, Mel, 276 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 1: what do you got? 277 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 2: Well, I'm waiting to see it. I mean I did 278 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:55,040 Speaker 2: say what like? 279 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: But is he boring? 280 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 2: Is that it? 281 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: Maybe he's uncomfortable because he is on national TV and 282 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: microphones are everywhere, you know, maybe dating like. 283 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 2: Maybe, but you think he'd be used to it by now. 284 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 2: I think it was Peg who said it's another of 285 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 2: these overarching themes for me this season. She said she 286 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 2: felt safe with him. I believe, and I just keep thinking, 287 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 2: I don't know where that's necessarily coming from, because I'm 288 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 2: just being honest. I haven't met Mel. I want to 289 00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: meet him. I'm sure you know I'll love him to 290 00:15:33,640 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 2: pieces if I were dating him, if I were on 291 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 2: that one on one date and I have that outgoing personality. 292 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: I want a guy who puts his arm around me, 293 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 2: who tells me how glad he is that we have 294 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 2: this time. I want him to kiss me. I want 295 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 2: the I sound like Susan Knowles here. I want those 296 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: romantic aspects and I'm getting like I said too, tomlins Hill. 297 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:57,520 Speaker 1: Sandbox romantic aspect on the bar walk. I mean that's 298 00:15:57,520 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: a fair you know what I mean? 299 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 2: When they're behind the music at the well's case. Yes, 300 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 2: I'm saying that could have been this romantic. I don't know. 301 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 2: I'm not feeling it. I'm not seeing it. 302 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 1: Have you seen something that you're feeling with him with 303 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: somebody else? 304 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 2: Have you seen the only person I am? I mean, uh, 305 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 2: I think I think Cindy for sure. I just I 306 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 2: just feel that and seeing him make out with her 307 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 2: in the you know, I like you as much as 308 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,480 Speaker 2: you like me. I think that Carol. I think he's 309 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 2: intrigued by Carol's shyness, you know. I think he or 310 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 2: maybe he just feels, you know, simpatico, maybe because that's 311 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 2: maybe that's the way he is, and. 312 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: There's things in common with the sports and such. 313 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 2: Yes, I think that he likes Debbie just I think 314 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 2: that he thinks she's sweet, you know, I think and 315 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 2: they have the one Cheryl. I mean, that's the thing. 316 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 2: I see four or five six women. 317 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: Jerry like, I was surprised should we get to the 318 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: rose part of this? 319 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: Did you have guessed? 320 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: Did you have a feeling who was going to leave? 321 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 2: Wait? I would come yes, I did. Wait one other 322 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: thing that Debbie said to him, and I love you know, 323 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:17,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. Again, I don't know. Why can you 324 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 2: just say overarching theme again? Did you find it? I 325 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 2: found it extremely interesting in this day and age where 326 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,479 Speaker 2: we all see color. Let's be clear, we you and 327 00:17:29,560 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 2: I walk with that white backpack of privilege. You know, 328 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 2: I shouldn't speak for you, but I certainly do. I 329 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 2: would date a black man. I you know, my kids 330 00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:41,840 Speaker 2: have dated inter racially. I don't have a problem with it, 331 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:45,919 Speaker 2: but that is certainly something that is newer to generations 332 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 2: preceding us. Would you agree, yes? I do. Okay, So 333 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 2: when Debbie brings up the fact that Mel's dad was 334 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 2: black or half black, whatever and asked him about his mom, 335 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 2: I found that I wanted to celebrate that, Like I 336 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 2: I I want Boutcher to celebrate different because. 337 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: There isn't anything wrong with it, but just having it 338 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: out loud spoken. 339 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, but as opposed to just sliding into a conversation. 340 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,120 Speaker 2: I don't know what. I just I love that. I 341 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: love the fact that that that that came out. 342 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: I also love the fact that when he was in 343 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 1: some serious conversations that he shared that his wife was 344 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: about to get married. He wanted to go to the wedding, 345 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: and yeah, they were Who was it he was talking 346 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: to at that point. 347 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 2: It was either Debbie Carroll one of them. But that's 348 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 2: why I say. And then I don't know, but you know, 349 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 2: Cindy telling him he wants to be chosen. I just 350 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,879 Speaker 2: feel like we're hearing the same things over and over again. 351 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: And I'm right, we're four weeks now. You've got to 352 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: start telling him how you feel. You know how it goes. 353 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: You got to put yourself out there and let him 354 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: know I am interested. 355 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, where and gart we you know, we. 356 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: Were becoming friends and we had friendships all over the house. 357 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: I see some friendships forming there and as the women left, 358 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,360 Speaker 1: they were all about that, which was beautiful. But it's 359 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: totally different than our season. 360 00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 2: Again, you've said it a hundred times and you're not 361 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 2: wrong when I just there's these one liners that to me, 362 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 2: it's like you just hear the one liners and that's 363 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 2: that tells how I feel about this this track. 364 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:34,959 Speaker 1: Do you remember yours? There was a lot of them. 365 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 2: Mel says, each one of them deserves love. It's almost 366 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:44,120 Speaker 2: like he's talking in third person. Like, no, Mel, you're 367 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 2: the guy. You're supposed to fall in love with one 368 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 2: of them. So I'm glad that each of them deserves loves. Mel, 369 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 2: find one and pick her. 370 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: And when you come into the room and you say, 371 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: my future wife is in this room, I want you 372 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: to feel it when you say it, Helena convincing me. 373 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: Or maybe we are so off the chart. Maybe he 374 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: picks nobody, maybe. 375 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 2: It's all maybe he's not ready. Okay, Susan, here, here's 376 00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 2: here's the primer for Mel. Let's see, mal. If you're listening, 377 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 2: close your eyes. When you kiss a woman, do not look, 378 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 2: you know, into the to the wild frontier, to the 379 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 2: sunset across the lake. Oh, keep your eyes on your girl, 380 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 2: put your arm around her, bring her in for a case. 381 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 1: And her eyes feeling meaning. But maybe he's not feeling. 382 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 2: So okay, But try to try to find it. Mel. 383 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 2: And you know what, if you really are feeling excited, 384 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 2: you know, touch her ass, you know, bring her in 385 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:41,359 Speaker 2: for a good hug. I mean, come on, do we 386 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 2: really have to teach him. Let's talk about the women 387 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 2: that went home. Jerry, who I love and I think 388 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,119 Speaker 2: they had a good relationship. Well, so Robin I think 389 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 2: he Robin is a strong well, she's been on our podcast. 390 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 2: She is a strong, independent, successful woman. And Susan. I 391 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: hate to say it if mel is quote unquote afraid 392 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 2: of her. She's too much for him. You know what 393 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 2: I'm going to say, He's just not enough for her. 394 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 2: I think Robin's fabulous, so that didn't surprise me. She 395 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 2: went home Jerry. I think they get along well, but 396 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 2: I just don't think he felt any romantic. 397 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: You know, nobody good news for Jerry. As you know, 398 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: we had her on a podias and she has embraced 399 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: her own life again right like she's ready and it 400 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:39,239 Speaker 1: did that for her. 401 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:45,159 Speaker 2: So she's yes, And in fact that was in my 402 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 2: notes when she said that at the end. She reminds 403 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: me of you in that way she's embracing her own life. 404 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 2: She's a happy girl. So I love that. Robin. Sorry, 405 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 2: rock Sande getting cut my one of my hometown girls 406 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 2: from Austin. I don't know Roxanne obviously, you know, I 407 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: haven't met well. I met her at the when we 408 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 2: did the Pajama party, but I mean I don't know her. 409 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 2: But my guess is from meeting her and seeing her, 410 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 2: I don't think Roxanne jumped into the game enough and 411 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 2: by the game, I mean, that's my. 412 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 1: Forward And that's another personality trait, like if you're not 413 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: a forward person and you're uncomfortable, like Carol talks that 414 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,199 Speaker 1: she's not and she gets, you know, tongue tied and all. 415 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: But she's up there. She's doing it. You know, she's 416 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 1: making herself do it. Where I didn't see a lot that. 417 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,919 Speaker 2: That's the thing. We didn't see it with Roxanne. But 418 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 2: I said, but just Roxanne's demeanor. So I mean I 419 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 2: think I think, you know, the trains leaving the station 420 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 2: from Mel right, he's he's down to what six women? 421 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: Now? Yes? And the alls I could think about last 422 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: night was Teresa and Leslie after the hometowns and yeah, 423 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 1: crying and that feeling and I see I could be wrong. Oh, 424 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 1: Debbie and Cindy. 425 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 2: What crime. 426 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: Somebody's going to be crushed. 427 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 2: Oh, I don't know. I mean, we're not there yet. 428 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 2: We're not there yet, Debbie. I mean, I don't know. 429 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 2: I feel like I'm not getting the sense from Mel. Uh, 430 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 2: Debbie to me is a we don't know. I mean again, 431 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 2: I look at this as as a woman, as a 432 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 2: golden woman. Honestly, I have a hard time fitting her 433 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:45,880 Speaker 2: into the puzzle of the show, only because there's very 434 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 2: few women I think on our show we have more 435 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 2: widow we had I think one or two that had 436 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 2: never been married, and and Debbie never having been married. 437 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 2: That is a hard for me. Not a hard, not impossible, 438 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 2: but a hard square peg to put into a round hole. 439 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 2: It can be done, but it's gonna You're gonna have 440 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 2: to file off some of those edges. 441 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,120 Speaker 1: Right saying, when you meet a guy and you're here, 442 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: he's never been married. 443 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 2: Is I run? I run? Iron I told you that 444 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 2: I dated. I mean, I wouldn't blame mel for that, 445 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 2: because if you've put your career in your own life first. Again, 446 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: I'm saying, this is not a contestant as a person. 447 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,960 Speaker 2: If you have put yourself first, your entire life and 448 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 2: you don't have children, you know, you've don't have a 449 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 2: spouse or a partner or whatever, you're not gonna You're 450 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 2: not gonna share very well. You're not gonna be willing 451 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 2: to compromise because you've never had to. I'm not sure. Well, 452 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 2: I know I wouldn't. I told you you know this. 453 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 2: I dated one guy who had never been married, and 454 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,480 Speaker 2: boy did I learn my lesson. So I wouldn't blame 455 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 2: mel for if that doesn't go to the end. I 456 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 2: think that is a hard deal to make. 457 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: But you get to know the person, and she's a 458 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: beautiful person. 459 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: No, it's nothing against Debbie. 460 00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: So I feel like she'll never get anybody because she 461 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: hadn't tried it, because. 462 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 2: I think, again, I don't have enough information. I know 463 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 2: that she was very career driven, but I know I 464 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 2: know lots of people. My daughter's career driven. Uh, she's 465 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 2: she's married. I don't, I don't. I think there's more 466 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 2: of the story. It's all I'm saying. And I think 467 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 2: she's beautiful and lovely and looked damn hot in that 468 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,240 Speaker 2: white beach babe, and I. 469 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: Was so happy when he called her name first. It 470 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, she breathes, you know what I mean, 471 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,919 Speaker 1: And Cindy and so on. 472 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: I think it's I think it's like I said, I'm 473 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 2: I am struggling because more because I want everyone to 474 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,760 Speaker 2: find love. I want Golden's. I want the world to 475 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 2: see that goldens can meet and fall in love, whether 476 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 2: it's on National TV, the grocery store, on a dating app, 477 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 2: and so I want this for mel and I want 478 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 2: it for one of the women, and I want it 479 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 2: for me. So it's you know, I'm rooting them on 480 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 2: as I'm down in ice cream and throwing straws at 481 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: the TV. 482 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: Come on, mel, can I tell you what I did 483 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: last night with that comment that Nicole make I still 484 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: can't get past it. 485 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 2: Well, right, Cole. 486 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: I went and looked at our group photo when our 487 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: show started. We were all in black, very sophisticated, classy, 488 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: and then their group photo is how I really dress 489 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 1: in bright colors. Every single one of them had long hair. 490 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 1: They looked younger than our crew, but. 491 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:42,880 Speaker 2: Yes, not better. Well, hey, I so agree with you. 492 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 2: I don't think listen, you know what I kind of 493 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 2: want to do, Susan. I kind of want to lose 494 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 2: fifteen pounds. 495 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: Please, Cathy, you being visible? That is just disgusting. 496 00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 2: You let me finish. Let me finish wear a bikini, 497 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,199 Speaker 2: which means I need a tummy tuck. I need you 498 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 2: to put hair extensions in and I don't know, get 499 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 2: stiletto heels and say hey, can I be one of you? Now? 500 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: A lot of them that's their hair, and some of 501 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: them had extensions. I get it. There's just a lot 502 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: of them had extension what they cast it, that's what 503 00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: they looked for this time. 504 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 2: But you diffee, I'm not against it. 505 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: Are you against it at all? 506 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 2: I think they look great and that's what I'm saying. 507 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 2: It's not better or worse than us. I'm making jokes 508 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 2: when I say, you know, I want to be one 509 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: of them. I mean I I just want our golden 510 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 2: group and their golden group. I want people. 511 00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: At big Family now. 512 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I am and continue to be a hopeful 513 00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 2: romantic And so I think that's why, just to close 514 00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 2: this out, I think that's why you and I are 515 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 2: struggling a little bit uh with this because you and 516 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 2: I really do believe in love. Not for each other, 517 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 2: but we love each other. But you know what I'm saying, 518 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,719 Speaker 2: and so we want we want the behavior to reflect that. 519 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 2: We want positive behavior models. That's what I'm saying. 520 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: You know how they tease you for next week's episode? 521 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, keep talking? 522 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:09,639 Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? 523 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 2: Well, what specifically are you asking about? 524 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I was just dumbfound that I couldn't get 525 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: past Nicole. I'm sorry, I just can't Nicole. I can't 526 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: wait to meet you in person. 527 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 2: I mean, I think next I you know, I don't 528 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,399 Speaker 2: want to. I don't. I think I'm looking forward to 529 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 2: next week. I want to see. But I'm really hoping 530 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 2: that Mel really does that you started feeling show me more. 531 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 2: I want to see that kiss where I believe that 532 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 2: he's falling in love, that he's not saying you all 533 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 2: deserve love, as if there's some guy in the wings 534 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 2: that's coming out in ten minutes. And I want to 535 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 2: believe it of. 536 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: Him when he's with each woman and he says the 537 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: right things and afterwards in the little interview part he 538 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: says positive things, but I just don't feel it right 539 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: and personality, we might be way off base. Maybe that's 540 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: just who he is and he is feeling it. I'm hoping. 541 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, all I can say is next week we're 542 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 2: nearing in on halfway. I think we're there. 543 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: Actually, no, after we have one more roast sermon and 544 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: then it's hometowns. 545 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 2: Right right, That's what I'm saying. More. The season is 546 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 2: is before we know what it's going to be over, 547 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 2: and I can't wait to see what next week brings. 548 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,800 Speaker 2: I just need to before I watch next week's season 549 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 2: I'm telling you right now, I'm getting rid of every 550 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 2: ice cream. I don't eat ice cream. I was so 551 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 2: frestrayal last nightday. 552 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: I literally, what's frustrat at you? Because his kisses weren't 553 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,719 Speaker 1: sincere and he was looking around. You don't think it 554 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: was nerves, you feelings? 555 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm just telling you I feel like 556 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 2: I'm not feeling it. So I ate my feelings. That's 557 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 2: what I did, feelings last with ice cream. I ate 558 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 2: my feelings. Thanks a lot, mel, I gained five pounds 559 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 2: and it's your fault. 560 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: And the colle it's me and you, babe. 561 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,480 Speaker 2: With that, can hardly way predict next week. 562 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: Yep, And thank you all for tuning in. And you 563 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: know what, I love you people that definitely send me 564 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: feedback every week. I mean, I have a best friend 565 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: out there. She details everything we say, Kathy, and it's 566 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: to both of us, of course, but I love her input. 567 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 1: And guess what, ninety nine percent of the time she 568 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: agrees with us. 569 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 2: I love that. 570 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: Yes, right, that's never happened. Yeah, but we want to 571 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: know what you guys think. 572 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 2: We really let us know till next week.