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Speaker 1: All right, we're back here on Foul territory and we'd

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Speaker 1: like to welcome in Jace Tangler. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us. Jace joining the San Francisco Giants this

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota with Will Delli, one of my favorite people.

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Speaker 2: Jace, welcome, thanks for having me on today this morning.

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Speaker 3: Wherever you're at.

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Speaker 1: Now, I have a question for you because it said

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Speaker 1: start there. You guys were college roommates, college teammates. Tell

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've known Tony since I guess it's been like

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Speaker 3: I was a freshman.

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Speaker 2: He was coming in from junior college, so I think

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Speaker 2: we played together for three years.

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Speaker 4: The senior year even let you want to say hi

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Speaker 2: He was coaching the outfield doing the base running my

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Speaker 5: All right. I got one question first? Was he better

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Speaker 5: than you in college?

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Speaker 3: A better player?

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Probably not a better player.

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Speaker 2: Tony was like a very good defender shortstops, second base,

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Speaker 2: right now, and Stiegel would uh, he was playing shortstop

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Speaker 2: So the eighth or ninth inning, Stegel would come, would

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Speaker 5: Okay, So he was not better than you. And I

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Speaker 5: So is that going to be an issue for Tony? Like,

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Speaker 5: we have to be honest about it before we even

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Speaker 5: find out. When you know what your exact job title is,

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Speaker 5: because we don't know what your exact job title is.

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Speaker 5: Is that going to be an issue for Tony in

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Speaker 5: the sense that some pro ball guys and now big

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Speaker 4: Him and go, we weren't very good.

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Speaker 5: You haven't been in pro ball. How are we gonna

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Speaker 5: how are we gonna navigate that?

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Speaker 3: I think it's going to be zero issue.

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Speaker 2: Like Tony is that the personality is unbelievable. He can

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Speaker 2: you know, he's been coaching it's been like twenty you know,

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Speaker 3: He's been the top recruiter in the nation.

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Speaker 2: And so.

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Speaker 3: I think just the.

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Speaker 5: Wait, wait, so you're saying that managing in the big

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Speaker 5: leagues is about managing people. Wait, like, wait a minute, way, Jace, Like,

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Speaker 5: it's not about It's not about anything else other than

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Speaker 2: There may be a little bit more to it, but

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Speaker 4: All right, just have two questions for you. First. The

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Speaker 2: And Zach and the front office crew there, and uh,

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Speaker 2: I would love to be on Burlander's team. I've been

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Speaker 4: Okay, and then my other question is Kratz has been

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Speaker 4: I don't know if he played with Wan Pierre, but

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Speaker 4: I played with want Pierre. Want Pierre had a hard

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Speaker 3: No, I would say that's probably accurate.

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Speaker 2: I think I would hit like one home run a

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Speaker 5: I have a follow here because of the fact that

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Speaker 5: I played with Wan and I played with Jace. But

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Speaker 5: what Wan never had was a hurricane was coming to

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Speaker 5: Tingler hit his one homer. It hit, it bounced. It

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Speaker 5: We went and played one game in Lakeland, and we

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Speaker 5: Jace Tangler broke with his one home run that season.

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Speaker 3: That's well documented, and the wind and the hurricane had

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Speaker 5: So you didn't ask. You didn't ask. I mean, he

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Speaker 3: So let me say this.

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Speaker 2: We're we're getting close to getting the staff completed, and

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Speaker 2: so that's what like Tony's been on the phone doing,

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Speaker 2: Zach's been on the phone buster and uh, I'm guessing

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Speaker 4: Kratz's phone hasn't ranked just definite crowds. His phone has

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Speaker 4: not rand. He's been waiting for that phone call. He

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Speaker 4: is not look at it. He's like wait what love.

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Speaker 2: He loves working from home and doing what he's doing.

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Speaker 3: He does not want to go and coach. I promise

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Speaker 3: you that you and I both know that.

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Speaker 1: Agent he wants to be a bullpen coach because I

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Speaker 5: Job in it It is, Oh, it is the easiest job.

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Speaker 4: Yes, But I don't know about the easiest job, Heidi.

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Speaker 4: But it's the job that nobody ever gets fired from.

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Speaker 4: You could be a bullpen coach to multiple managers, multiple

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Speaker 4: front offices, because you just sit down there with your

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Speaker 4: Everybody I'm telling the oh yeah, hey get ready, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: You've got the look down chat.

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Speaker 3: Jace.

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Speaker 1: I want to know, so, Bruce Bouchi was recently brought

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Speaker 1: a chance to talk to Boach? I mean Hall of

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Speaker 2: You know, so Tony has already connected with him. He's

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Speaker 2: We played Texas at the end of the year. I

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Speaker 5: Buch drinks wine. That's why he didn't show up for

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Speaker 5: the cold bourbon. So just just know your know your

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Speaker 2: Bobby Wilson was telling me he pours the bourbon after

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Speaker 3: Check you on that.

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Speaker 5: Okay, that's fair. He probably does that too. I got

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Speaker 5: And he's done incredibly well. Phil Nevin said, I really

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Speaker 5: What do you think Tony's gonna struggle with the most

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Speaker 5: the things that I brought up is really tiny, but

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Speaker 5: So what do you think is one thing that you're

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Speaker 5: that you're gonna have to be like, ooh, Tony, someone

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Speaker 2: I think the one thing Tony and I talk about,

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Speaker 3: So I think it's going to be managing the bullpen.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's used to playing you know, four, maybe

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Speaker 3: Be a little bit of the bullpit bullpen management.

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Speaker 2: But look, Tony's like bright, he's sharp, He's gonna adapt

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Speaker 1: Well in that vein, do you have any insight on

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Speaker 1: who the Giants might be looking at as a pitching coach?

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Speaker 2: So no, I think like I prefer to let Tony

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Speaker 2: And I do think like that's gonna be relativetively soon.

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Speaker 2: I feel very good about it. We've been on the phone,

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's there's no other way to say it.

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Speaker 2: We had opportunity for young players, We had opportunity for players,

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Speaker 4: How surprised do they let Rocco go? I mean, you

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Speaker 1: Yet do you expect the Twins to continue to move on?

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Speaker 1: Last couple of days Byron Buckston's comments about how he

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Speaker 3: I really don't know the answer.

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Speaker 5: All Right, you went from the AL Central to now

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Speaker 5: All right here it is how many times is Tony

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Speaker 5: only for you, This is only for you so that

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Speaker 2: I see you're sponsored by like bet MGM. So if

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Speaker 3: Under so you can set the line you're going six

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Speaker 3: and a half? That half like scares me, aren't under my.

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Speaker 5: So he doesn't have any fire, he doesn't care about

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Speaker 5: You heard it here. Jay Stangos says, Tony Botello doesn't happen.

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Speaker 4: No fire, I'll tell you what. No, But here's the

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Speaker 4: dankratsey before we gotta go. I know we gotta go,

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Speaker 4: but I watched Tony Votello a lot in college, Like

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Speaker 4: but there might be some punches thrown. So Jace, you

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Speaker 4: better be ready.

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Speaker 3: You better be.

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Speaker 4: Ready, Jason A.

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Speaker 3: J are you taking the over six and a half.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't bet. I don't gamble because I don't

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Speaker 4: want to get suspended for life. Jay, j we live

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Speaker 1: The very good point, very good point. I think Tony

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Speaker 1: seems I don't know Tony, but he seems too affable

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Speaker 3: So I'll take the.

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Speaker 4: Under I've seen I've seen that get in college. He

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Speaker 4: work because when he runs into certain guys, they're gonna

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Speaker 5: Who says who says? It's not gonna work, especially with

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Speaker 4: That's so true, so true.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, we've got to keep you healthy. We

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Speaker 4: We appreciate it.

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