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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Giant Subtle Podcast. John

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Speaker 1: Schmoke with you. Today's guest from the Athletic, the one

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Speaker 1: and only Dame Brugler. Dana's good seeing him in Yeah

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Speaker 1: you too. It's uh. I didn't see it last year

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Speaker 1: at this time because you know, I have a combined

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Speaker 1: So it's great to be back here in Indianapolis. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you've been on the ground here since Monday. Let's start here.

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Speaker 1: What are some of the things that you're kind of hearing? Uh,

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Speaker 1: when we all have to stay out at the bars

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Speaker 1: recording this, But that's kind of informed your impressions of

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Speaker 1: some of these players before you arrived in Indianapolis. I

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Speaker 1: think I'm a little surprised at the lack of consensus

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Speaker 1: with a lot of these players. Uh, you know, there's

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Speaker 1: more so than most years. You know, I think every

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Speaker 1: year there's gonna be wild opinions about each one of

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Speaker 1: these guys. But this year especially, you get different opinions

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Speaker 1: on how these corners should be ranked, all these wide

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Speaker 1: and just wildly different opinions on each one of these guys,

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Speaker 1: how the pass rusher should be ranked. So really, I

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Speaker 1: mean you're looking at I think center and safety the

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Speaker 1: only two positions where there's a clear cut top guy.

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Speaker 1: Don't even think Hutchinson's a clear top some some teams

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Speaker 1: prefer some of the other pass rushers. It's not like

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Speaker 1: a you know, half the half the league, but one

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Speaker 1: or two have told me that, you know, they like him,

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Speaker 1: but they prefer maybe the upside of another players right right,

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Speaker 1: right right. And you know Hutchinson is not a long player.

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Speaker 1: You know, tomorrow he works out and his day's gonna

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Speaker 1: be as long as people think, what do you think

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Speaker 1: officially what it is. But I think his his day

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Speaker 1: is gonna get a lot better really quickly, because he's

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Speaker 1: to this testing numbers, what he's been doing. Goodness gracious,

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Speaker 1: I mean he's he's gonna do well for himself. Why

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Speaker 1: better three could and then quity pay from last year,

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Speaker 1: which is like two seventy pounds, is kind of ridiculous

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Speaker 1: with the short shuttle the forty. Yeah, it's we had

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Speaker 1: the wide receivers and quarterbacks and tight ends work out

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Speaker 1: last night and a few pretty good performances. But the

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Speaker 1: pass rushers what I'm excited for because there's there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of them this year. It's by far the strongest

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Speaker 1: it's it's styles too, right, What are you looking for

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Speaker 1: this is this is probably why the rankings, especially at

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Speaker 1: each team is looking for something a little different. I

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Speaker 1: got like Tyler linder Baumb. You could make the argument

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Speaker 1: And that's just you know, that's that's not a surprise

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Speaker 1: I'll get to the on field stuff in a little

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Speaker 1: bit from last night, as you were there and you

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Speaker 1: talking about how these guys are ranking up in your opinion.

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Speaker 1: How many of those guys even are there? Do we

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Speaker 1: Malik Willis was fun for him to show off his arm.

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Speaker 1: By the way Dane's throwing on air, if this impacts

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Speaker 1: he's gonna be a good pro. Are you a Penning

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00:18:52,480 --> 00:18:54,919
Speaker 1: guy or a Cross guy? I do prefer Cross just

427
00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,680
Speaker 1: because of you know, I've seen him do it against Alabama.

428
00:18:57,760 --> 00:18:59,320
Speaker 1: You know, I've seen him do it against some of

429
00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,560
Speaker 1: these other teams. And even though he's not, again not

430
00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,880
Speaker 1: the most powerful guy, the movement patterns, the hand exchange

431
00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:07,679
Speaker 1: really really impressive traits, and his testing could be important

432
00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,600
Speaker 1: right to see exactly how that movement translates to something.

433
00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:12,639
Speaker 1: You know, he's a very young kid. You know, you

434
00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,040
Speaker 1: talked to him and he's he's very young with what

435
00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:16,480
Speaker 1: he knows, and so there's there's going to be a

436
00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,800
Speaker 1: little bit of a learning curve going from that scheme

437
00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:20,600
Speaker 1: to a pro style. More of a pro style scheme,

438
00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:22,480
Speaker 1: I'm not be sure a pro style means anymore but

439
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,560
Speaker 1: it's it's different than air Raid and what he would

440
00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:26,880
Speaker 1: has to do, so um, there will be a learning

441
00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,320
Speaker 1: curve for him and you have to factor that in it.

442
00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,400
Speaker 1: Just listening, he doesn't seem as polished just in general,

443
00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,919
Speaker 1: as a like Neila to quantity, like you know what

444
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,840
Speaker 1: you're getting. Like you listen to those guys, you look

445
00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:39,440
Speaker 1: at them and you're like, all right, you're kind of

446
00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,959
Speaker 1: already ready to go here, Charles Cross, I feel like

447
00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,320
Speaker 1: there is some development that still has to happen once

448
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,840
Speaker 1: he gets no question and and that's why he's not

449
00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,400
Speaker 1: a slam dung top ten pick or top seven pick.

450
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,359
Speaker 1: Do you think you should have went back? No? I

451
00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:53,840
Speaker 1: think he's fine coming out because I mean we're talking

452
00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:55,720
Speaker 1: about him as you know, an early first round pick,

453
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,840
Speaker 1: so I got you know, I could he have helped himself, sure,

454
00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,840
Speaker 1: but I don't think it would of necessarily jumped them

455
00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:03,680
Speaker 1: up to number one or anything like that. So I

456
00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,480
Speaker 1: thought he made the right decision. It makes sense with

457
00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:06,879
Speaker 1: one of the two. And let's say the Giants have

458
00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:09,280
Speaker 1: to move on from James Bradberry to fix their cat issues.

459
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,639
Speaker 1: We know Wink Martin Dale needs corners that complete press

460
00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:15,840
Speaker 1: corners that are long and corners that can run, and

461
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 1: Stingley in sauce, do check those boxes? Could are they

462
00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 1: worth that value of five or seven? Because whenever I

463
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,600
Speaker 1: think of quarterback stain, whenever I think of cornerbacks, I

464
00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,040
Speaker 1: think high variance picks. Right, It's there's just the nature

465
00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 1: of the position is risky. But those two guys have

466
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 1: been asked to do in college what you're gonna ask

467
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:36,199
Speaker 1: corners to do in the pros. They're not, you know,

468
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:40,280
Speaker 1: these big twelve quarters zone guys. So your thoughts on

469
00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,280
Speaker 1: on those two guys, and you know what have you

470
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,200
Speaker 1: heard about Stingley stuff? I'm sure he hasn't really met

471
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 1: with teams yet, but he's one of the guys that

472
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 1: teams are gonna have to figure out two. And I

473
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 1: stowed Trum McDuffie in there as well. He's actually my

474
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 1: number one corner. He's smaller guy, but he can cover. Yeah,

475
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 1: he is the smartest dB I've talked to um as

476
00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 1: a prospect. He is really really sure. He understands. To

477
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,879
Speaker 1: throw different scenarios at him and he spit back. You know,

478
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 1: this is what He's very process oriented, so he understands

479
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,880
Speaker 1: by what the formation is giving him what that means

480
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:11,639
Speaker 1: for him, how to communicate that to the rest of

481
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 1: the not only the secondary but the linebackers. He is

482
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 1: a very very sharp individual, and I think that's gonna

483
00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,639
Speaker 1: make him. Uh, some of that's gonna make an instant

484
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,720
Speaker 1: impact because of that. Did he play enough man for

485
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 1: your liking to be feel comfortable with him in that

486
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,840
Speaker 1: they game? They did a lot of press bail they did.

487
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,960
Speaker 1: They do a lot of press bail, but he did

488
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,920
Speaker 1: do plenty of press man he did. They do a

489
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,399
Speaker 1: lot of quarters, they do a lot of zone they did.

490
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 1: They did everything. I think that Jimmy Lake scheme. Um.

491
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 1: You know, we've seen a lot of dbs come out

492
00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,600
Speaker 1: of that system. And him and Kyler Gordon, who's probably

493
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,640
Speaker 1: also gonna be a first round pick, are the next two.

494
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 1: But the two guys that you originally mentioned with Sauce,

495
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:47,639
Speaker 1: Gardener and Stingley, Uh, Sauce is you know, the resume

496
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 1: speaks for itself obviously, you know, not giving up a

497
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:54,880
Speaker 1: touchdown at over career pass coverage snaps. Uh, There's there's

498
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,360
Speaker 1: a few things down the field that you worry about

499
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:57,520
Speaker 1: and needs to clean up. You know, do me to

500
00:21:57,520 --> 00:22:00,119
Speaker 1: stay under control down the field. I wish that we

501
00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 1: would have seen more targets his way, just so we

502
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 1: could get a better, you know sense for some of

503
00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 1: these things. He just teams did not throw at him.

504
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,120
Speaker 1: But that that's obviously very very telling that team stayed

505
00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 1: away from his side of the field. It really was. Yeah,

506
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 1: And and that allowed Kobe Bryant to step up on

507
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 1: the other side and be the gym Thorpe Award winner

508
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,159
Speaker 1: this year. Uh. But and then Stingley. Stingley is a

509
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 1: wild card. He really is. He's an enigma. I mean,

510
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,360
Speaker 1: it's funny if you flipped it two has nineteen one seasons,

511
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 1: lock it in. He's the number one pick. You know,

512
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 1: he's going to the Jacksonville Jaguars. But what happened the

513
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 1: last two years where he wasn't quite on that level.

514
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: You know, a lot was going on in that l

515
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,879
Speaker 1: s U program. Uh. You know, it's a revolving door

516
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 1: a defensive coordinator for them. They lost a lot of

517
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:41,840
Speaker 1: guys injuries obviously a big part of this um. You know,

518
00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 1: you talk to scouts and they're kind of, you know,

519
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: on the on the fence about because he's not a

520
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,119
Speaker 1: alpha type of personality. It's just not who he is.

521
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,280
Speaker 1: And that's okay. You don't would you like your corner

522
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,880
Speaker 1: one to be an alpha? Sure? Do you need your

523
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 1: corner one to be an alpha? It's not necessarily a requirement.

524
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 1: But he needs to go to a place where, you know,

525
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 1: you know, where there is a James Bradberry where he

526
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: could really you know, be of that big brother type

527
00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 1: and help him bring along in that type of thing.

528
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,960
Speaker 1: Um you know it go to Minnesota, Patrick Peterson, that

529
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: type of type of deal where he's not asked to

530
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 1: go into the veteran locker room and be the number

531
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 1: one corner from the get go. He needs to be,

532
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 1: uh you know, kind of brought along a little more

533
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:23,360
Speaker 1: slower than maybe some other gues. Interesting, Well, next time

534
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: we have you on, we'll dig a little bit deeper.

535
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 1: Giants have to pick at the top of the second

536
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: round though, And you mentioned it's a deep pass rusher traft.

537
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 1: Is that a sweet spot for the pass rusher there?

538
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: Picked like thirty seven? Are you gonna get somebody that's

539
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: pretty darn good in that spot? I think the beauty

540
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,400
Speaker 1: this passwords classes. Uh, name a pick and it's gonna

541
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: be the sweet spot I really believe that. I think

542
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: you can see the only position this year where I

543
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 1: think you can feel good about who you can get

544
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: in the first round, second round, third round, fourth round,

545
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: and into Day three. I really think like, like obviously

546
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:52,639
Speaker 1: in fourth round, you're not gonna get a you know,

547
00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: impact starter right away, but for normal fourth round picks,

548
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 1: you're gonna feel good about pass rushers that could be

549
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 1: there because not only the talent, but that just sure

550
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: volume of talent. So there will be only so many

551
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 1: guys can go in each round. That will push some

552
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: guys down the board. I mean, I'm working on my

553
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: top one hundred and I've got you know, fifteen sixteen

554
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: pass rushers in there, and like that's I've got too

555
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,160
Speaker 1: many guys I need to you know, go up to.

556
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,639
Speaker 1: There's just so many of these guys that belong that

557
00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: you you make a case for the top one hundred

558
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: picks that not all of them can go that high.

559
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:28,639
Speaker 1: So second round, you know, Arnold abcketty from Penn State,

560
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 1: you know, I think that fits their third round, fourth round,

561
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of different pass rushers and

562
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,960
Speaker 1: and like we talked about at the top, different flavors

563
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: that they offers a little bit differently, uh, pure speed

564
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,159
Speaker 1: guys that can give you a little more power at

565
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: the point of attack. So it's a really diverse group

566
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 1: of pass rushers that I would feel good about. Uh. Now,

567
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 1: should you stay away from pass rusher in the first

568
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 1: round because of that? Not necessarily? You know, if if

569
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 1: the first round should be independent of everything, go get

570
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 1: the best player available in the especially in the top ten.

571
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,200
Speaker 1: Go get the best players available in the top ten.

572
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 1: Don't worry about who could fall to you. Go get

573
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: the best players. And then but if they don't go

574
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 1: pass rusher early, there will be options later on the

575
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: draft that they can feel good about adding to their UH,

576
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: their their mix of pass rusher. Let's see the Giants

577
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 1: decide of five and seven. None of these offensive linemen

578
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: are worth the bank for the buck here. Once Giant

579
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: fans put down their pitchforks and torches and then they

580
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 1: take a deep breath and relax, make them feel good

581
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: about some of the guys they can find at tackle

582
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 1: or guard or center and rounds two, three, and four, Yeah,

583
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: I think this is I like the center class a lot. Uh.

584
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: Tyler Lindardumb's obviously the top guy but after that, Dylan

585
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 1: Parnham from Memphis is a good player. He was good

586
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: at mobile I was. I like Luke Fortner a lot

587
00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,120
Speaker 1: out of Kentucky, a really good player as well. Um

588
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: and then Cold Strange from Tennessee Chattanooga. I think those

589
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: three guys are going to start games in the NFL,

590
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: and they all have center guard versatility. Um And I

591
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 1: think that probably not second round, but they're not gonna

592
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: last to the fourth round, so I think third rounds

593
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: maybe that sweet spot more for for those types of guys.

594
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 1: UM A tackle. I do think there's a little bit

595
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: of a drop off after you know, uh that group.

596
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 1: I don't think Bernard Raymond falls to you in the

597
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 1: second round, um and I think he's gonna be a

598
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: first round pick. Do you think five tackles in the

599
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: first probably especially the nature of the position makes everyone

600
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: needs them every Yeah, I think five in the in

601
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,080
Speaker 1: the first round. And then do you feel good about

602
00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: any of those that that next tier of tackles? That right?

603
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,120
Speaker 1: And you know a guy like Nicholas Petit Frere or um.

604
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: You know Tyler Smith from Tulsa who is a really

605
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: talented guy. He's just the texting techniques a mess. You know,

606
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: he's a young player. You need to build him up.

607
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: And so, uh, what are you looking for? You're looking

608
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: for a guy who can plug in right away. Can

609
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: you afford to be patient with them a little bit

610
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: when you get second, third, fourth round. That's that's what

611
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: really factors in with a lot of these players, because

612
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 1: a lot of them, that reason they're not going higher

613
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: is because they're gonna need some time in the in

614
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: the slow cooker to to to marinate and you know,

615
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,479
Speaker 1: before they're ready to see NFL action. How about guards?

616
00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 1: I like this guard class quite a bit. Um, we'll

617
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 1: see who falls in the second round. You know, does

618
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,359
Speaker 1: the Zion Johnson fall, I'd be surprised. I think, you know,

619
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,239
Speaker 1: Kenyan Green's Ian Johnson. They're gonna go early in in

620
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,439
Speaker 1: that first round. Um, and then who's that next mix

621
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: of of guards? Uh, you know, wh wh what's the

622
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: order they come off the board. Everyone's got a little

623
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: bit different, But I think that there's there's quite a

624
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: few of them that you can get excited about. So

625
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: Salier Ingram like those types of guys. Yeah, throw Darren

626
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: Kannard in there, I think, you know, uh yeah, a

627
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: couple of sec guys. Um, I I do like saw

628
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 1: your a lot. Played left tackle at Georgia, but much

629
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 1: better inside. He's got a guard bodyguards skill set. He

630
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: did great, he gets hunchon and then he did he

631
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: did Yeah. No, they give him a lot of help,

632
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: I think. But I think he's a plug and play

633
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,440
Speaker 1: guard that can you know, come in right away and play.

634
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: Um And Canard's interesting because he's a little sloppy at tackle,

635
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 1: but movement side that might be able to take care

636
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 1: of some of that. Ed Ingram's a really talented player. Um.

637
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: So yeah, that se see, you know, cranking him out

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Speaker 1: I mean there's like twelve of these guys. There's always

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Speaker 1: should you even pay wide receivers anymore? Yeah? And you know,

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Speaker 1: every year wide receiver seems to be a strength in

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Speaker 1: know that's going to evolve even more so with those guys.

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Speaker 1: Are the weapons more so than running back, more so

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Speaker 1: you know, do you think the Giants maybe top ten,

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Speaker 1: at with Garrett Wilson trailer burn. I don't think Drake

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Speaker 1: London because they have Kenny Golladay there already that big guy,

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Speaker 1: so but you never know. I mean it's if you

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Speaker 1: feel like he can be an immediate weapon for I

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Speaker 1: love Garrett Wilson, I really do. I think he's he

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Speaker 1: can do everything. That's the only thing. He wish he

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Speaker 1: was a little bigger, but he plays bigger, so you

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Speaker 1: know he's good with the contested catches. That's it. He

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Speaker 1: five eleven, one ninety, but he plays a lot bigger

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Speaker 1: than he looks. And he will go at the football

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Speaker 1: to me the top receiver this year. Burke's didn't have

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Speaker 1: the best workout last night, four and forty um, and

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Speaker 1: you know that's I think we need to be careful

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Speaker 1: the from three years ago, the combine the top ten

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Speaker 1: six two of them are in the league. Four of

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Speaker 1: them have been massive disappointments. So you know, we just

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Speaker 1: need to take these forty times with a little bit

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Speaker 1: of grain of salt, because again, the tape is what matters.

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Speaker 1: This is just kind of fill in the blank context

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Speaker 1: not the be all end all of where these guys

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Speaker 1: should be drafted. Stuff always good to say, Well, if

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Speaker 1: Dana not again before the draft, folks, make sure you

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Speaker 1: So doing? Okay? It's I you know, where everything is

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Speaker 1: you know, even pro days so I feel like I'm

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Speaker 1: I need to catch up, you need to catch up. Um.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I feel like that every year, somehow,

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