Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox
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Speaker 2: Hour three of the Dan Patrick Show. I'm Tony Really.
Speaker 2: Ramona Shelbur, my friend and ESPN NBA insider, will be
Speaker 2: with us later on in the hour talk about the
Speaker 2: bombshell news of yesterday that she broke the Los Angeles
Speaker 2: Lakers sold one year after being sold, flipped like a property. Unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Twelve and a half billion dollars in that sale. Are
Speaker 2: the Lakers still the Lakers? We'll get to that, but first,
Speaker 2: I'm so excited about today's guest right now. Look at
Speaker 2: this little boy on the screen right here, Sister Mary
Speaker 2: Joe Sobiek.
Speaker 1: Look at this little boy on the screen right here.
Speaker 2: That is me, little Anthony, really in my first holy communion.
Speaker 2: The white suit. You know it well, you've seen it before.
Speaker 2: That is who you were talking to. My name is Anthony,
Speaker 2: Reality's sister. It's a pleasure to meet you.
Speaker 3: God bless you. I've been watching you on around the Horn, Tony.
Speaker 3: It's good to meet you.
Speaker 1: Oh that you wore my heart.
Speaker 2: Now I have to tell you something, to have a
Speaker 2: confession to make. Forgive me, sister, you weren't my first
Speaker 2: request for a guest on the show. I asked for
Speaker 2: the Holy Father, Pope Leo a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1: You were my number two. You were my number two.
Speaker 3: I got his jersey.
Speaker 2: You have a southside also a southside legends. So thank
Speaker 2: you so much for being here. I saw your face
Speaker 2: on the TV and on my feed, the viral sensation
Speaker 2: that you are Sister Mary Joe. Once again, this is
Speaker 2: not your first appearance on The Dan Patrick Show twenty eighteen.
Speaker 1: You came here, you were at Marian Catholic School.
Speaker 2: You throw it at first pitch, it's all time top
Speaker 2: one or two first pitches, and you became an overnight sensation.
Speaker 2: What was it like to go from oh, you're at
Speaker 2: a catechist at Mary Catholic High School, and now you're
Speaker 2: a leading sports center and you're leading the Dan Patrick
Speaker 2: Show on your viral sensation.
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, I remember I was on Fox News also,
Speaker 3: I had gone on to New York. You mentioned something
Speaker 3: about the viral pitch, and I said, well, what I
Speaker 3: hope they see more is my joy for life and
Speaker 3: my love for the Gospel, because that's really what this
Speaker 3: platform is about. I mean, as you have you know,
Speaker 3: I read about you two, and being a lifelong Catholic,
Speaker 3: it's like having this platform would be nothing if it
Speaker 3: wasn't used to give all the glory and honor to God.
Speaker 3: And so I see more athletes doing that more and more,
Speaker 3: and so it's just appropriate that you know it wasn't
Speaker 3: a strike or was it even near the zone?
Speaker 2: We're talking about this. Wait in a second, sister, you
Speaker 2: had me, You had me chasing. A strike is a
Speaker 2: strike if the patter's chasing and that had some lowdown
Speaker 2: What are you eating on the radar gun right now?
Speaker 4: Oh? I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'll just tell you the story that I told back
Speaker 3: in the day when I would I grew up near
Speaker 3: a county fair. Okay, you know the movies Sandla, Yes,
Speaker 3: of course that that was my life growing up is
Speaker 3: right across the street. I'm the youngest of ten the older.
Speaker 3: Those were the neighborhoods when everybody had eight to ten
Speaker 3: kids and everybody was playing ball all day, and the
Speaker 3: county Fair we would go and do the radar gun. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and when I was a teenager, I could throw it
Speaker 3: about seventy six miles an hour.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Come on.
Speaker 2: And this took you through college and you played into
Speaker 2: your college life and then the world sees it. I mean,
Speaker 2: you do the thing with the ball, which is just
Speaker 2: awesome as well. So you've got game. We all know
Speaker 2: you have got game. So you got the call back
Speaker 2: this week. I thought, in a sport and a team
Speaker 2: that has a history, sister, you may not be you
Speaker 2: may be too young to remember this. Disco Demolition Night
Speaker 2: was something in the nineteen seventies that the White Sox
Speaker 2: tried to do to in a similar way, have a
Speaker 2: fan engagement, and they had a riot because they were
Speaker 2: prety disco records. Long story short, Pope had night. What
Speaker 2: an amazing success. What was it like to be in
Speaker 2: the ballpark that day? Did it feel holy?
Speaker 4: It did?
Speaker 3: I mean it actually felt like a big church revival really,
Speaker 3: I mean, and hopefully it was all about engaging believers
Speaker 3: of all faiths, right and so now the stadium, it
Speaker 3: was overwhelming. And when they when they mentioned my name
Speaker 3: to to throw the pitch, it was it was I
Speaker 3: was honored. It was really overwhelming. So it was no,
Speaker 3: it felt awesome. The sign a piece that they talked about.
Speaker 4: Yes, I loved doing all that. It was.
Speaker 2: It was really great, you know, I said it to
Speaker 2: somebody who is not Catholic in my family though. You know,
Speaker 2: the seventh dting stretch of baseball, Mass has a seventh
Speaker 2: hitting stretch in Mass It's called the Sign of Piece.
Speaker 2: You know, that's what we did. I'd love to see
Speaker 2: that be a fifty y. Do you think we got
Speaker 2: any converts in the ballpark that night?
Speaker 1: I bet absolutely?
Speaker 5: Uh sure?
Speaker 1: Did anything get close to sack relief?
Speaker 2: You know, you've got a lot of people and maybe
Speaker 2: there's alcohol involved in bo pats?
Speaker 3: No, I mean there were people dressed in you know,
Speaker 3: Bishop Garb and all that kind of stuff. But for me,
Speaker 3: and I think for you, God's presence can be seen
Speaker 3: in all places, right, I mean we have eyes of faith.
Speaker 3: We have eyes of faith to see it and don't
Speaker 3: be too rigid, you know, and allow God the freedom
Speaker 3: to just express God's self. No, I thought it was great.
Speaker 3: I mean there were people imbibing. I was taking pictures
Speaker 3: with others and it was like, okay, you've had a
Speaker 3: lot to drink. But that's okay too, I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: but otherwise sacrilegion.
Speaker 2: Know, if if beer were to be poured in the
Speaker 2: po pat and we dragged out of the po pat
Speaker 2: would that be sacrilege.
Speaker 4: Beer?
Speaker 2: It would be a sin since they're to waste the beer.
Speaker 2: I'm still very much in love with the origin story
Speaker 2: here because well, mister Paul Popps, please join this conversation
Speaker 2: right now. We have a connection, our Paul Pops, another
Speaker 2: resident Catholic here, We're happy to say.
Speaker 1: And also Mary Catholic, Marying Katholic. I'm a marrying.
Speaker 6: Catholic grad and I've known Sister Mary Joe for a while.
Speaker 6: And back in twenty eighteen it was Marying Catholic Night
Speaker 6: at SOS Park and I was invited to attend with
Speaker 6: all the other married Catholic people, Sister Mary Joe and
Speaker 6: all the grad and they actually weirdly asked me to
Speaker 6: throw out the first pitch. And I wasn't able to
Speaker 6: go because of a family vacation. And I got the
Speaker 6: email and I was very disappointed. I was distraught it
Speaker 6: had been I had a terrible pitch. I was a
Speaker 6: terrible sliding doors. I was an archer, and I emailed
Speaker 6: the president of the school and Sister Mary Joe was
Speaker 6: on the email.
Speaker 1: She knows Paul, I got you.
Speaker 5: I'll come out of the pen and take care of.
Speaker 6: It, and I'm so glad she did because she did
Speaker 6: it so much better and so much more entertaining than
Speaker 6: I would have.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Well, and here's an other part of the story, Paul,
Speaker 3: that you might not know. When sister Mary Paul tells
Speaker 3: that story, I think you were on the email with her.
Speaker 3: She was the president. She was asked then to throw
Speaker 3: the pitch, and she said, I understand that maybe you
Speaker 3: want to have a sister. So I didn't know that
Speaker 3: you were picked, and then she was picked. So I realized,
Speaker 3: now how far down in the rotation.
Speaker 2: Oh, you were the closer they needed Marianna Rivera.
Speaker 3: You got the door.
Speaker 6: It was divine in avention, sister, because you can throw
Speaker 6: and we can't.
Speaker 1: Holy smoke is what we call it. We call it
Speaker 1: holy smoke. Real quick.
Speaker 2: They blew a four oh lead in the game two
Speaker 2: nights ago, lost five to four. How do you explain
Speaker 2: that theologically, sister.
Speaker 3: Well, I left the stadium.
Speaker 2: Oh that's how you explained it, Okay, I left early.
Speaker 3: I left early to get out of there, just to
Speaker 3: avoid some of the crowds and traffic and all of that.
Speaker 3: So we joked about that too. So and others said,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe that's what they get for doing the
Speaker 3: pope at But now, come on, that was just.
Speaker 1: When we say our prayers.
Speaker 2: When we say our prayers, does God care who wins
Speaker 2: those games when we say our prayers for our teams?
Speaker 1: No? No, okay, well.
Speaker 3: But we have to do the part too.
Speaker 2: We have to do our part. You have done your
Speaker 2: part in an amazing way. I have sisters in my life.
Speaker 2: My cousin is sister the Disciples of the Lord Jesus
Speaker 2: Christ in Texas. It means very much to me and
Speaker 2: my family. And just being in public view and showing
Speaker 2: people how you are and living the life. I think
Speaker 2: it is wonderful and I wanted to put you in
Speaker 2: this place today so we could share this moment.
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, just to marriage, thank you.
Speaker 3: So much for this opportunity to do that.
Speaker 2: You're Mary Joe. The viral sensation just throwing heat. I
Speaker 2: love that about you. Have a wonderful day by now.
Speaker 2: Ah man, it's it's I've always wondered. You know one
Speaker 2: specific thing in that viral video of Pope Leo another
Speaker 2: south Sider.
Speaker 1: Of course, that's why they had them look at.
Speaker 2: The World Series, is at the game the cameras miraculously
Speaker 2: I could say, catch him. And he looks like it's
Speaker 2: a tough point in the game, and he's muttering under
Speaker 2: his breath, you.
Speaker 1: Know, and is he is?
Speaker 2: He is he muttering something not so nice about Scott
Speaker 2: put Sednick.
Speaker 4: You know?
Speaker 1: Is that what's happening?
Speaker 2: That's my dream get for for the Real Deal podcast?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, uh Foley, what do you got?
Speaker 6: You also know, just to put a bow on this story,
Speaker 6: there's a bit of a connection we have to the
Speaker 6: Pope Robert Provost. He is from the South Side Chicago.
Speaker 6: He lived in a town called Dalton when I was little,
Speaker 6: and I was little, never met him, never knew his family.
Speaker 6: But the Pope's father was my grade school superintendent. So
Speaker 6: in all my grade school yearbooks there's mister Provosts.
Speaker 1: So are we running here? This is an show?
Speaker 5: Is blessed.
Speaker 1: It's never come up before.
Speaker 6: But when I was little, Brookwood Junior High School and
Speaker 6: Elementary School in Glenwood, Illinois, our superintendent was mister Provost.
Speaker 6: He would walk in with a suit, you like, he
Speaker 6: puckered up because he was the ball I mean, and
Speaker 6: his son coached baseball and years later became a soxs
Speaker 6: fan and.
Speaker 2: So you were never met or or at least a
Speaker 2: greater instructed by led by the man who raised the pope.
Speaker 6: That's correct, and Dalton, Illinois. We were a few blocks
Speaker 6: away but never met him or anything. But it was
Speaker 6: a big deal for the south Side people.
Speaker 2: We have these sliding doors, you know, a freaky Friday situation.
Speaker 2: You wake up and Pope Leo wakes up and you
Speaker 2: switch bodies. You wake up and sister Mary Joe and
Speaker 2: you switch body. We're close. It's pretty close. That's pretty close.
Speaker 2: Eight seven seven three DP showed the call. We got
Speaker 2: some headlines. We want to recap the day for you guys.
Speaker 2: It's been a wonderful day here. Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for having me here in the man came, I am
Speaker 2: man Cave sitting as Dan is on in a lovely
Speaker 2: weekend where he will soon walk his daughter down the aisle,
Speaker 2: and we all are eagerly awaiting the update in the text.
Speaker 2: We're not gonna ask him to shot video. Why would
Speaker 2: we do that live in the moment, but we want
Speaker 2: the tears to fall. That's where is I'm Tony really
Speaker 2: and the dan Netts have carried me this entire show
Speaker 2: when I was moving the microphone and muting myself or
Speaker 2: going to dude wipe's reads too quickly. But I mean, honestly,
Speaker 2: would you rather go to do wipes too quickly or
Speaker 2: too late? I would go to dude wipes too quickly? Right, Okay, Dylan,
Speaker 2: what do you got in the poll?
Speaker 1: I was gonna say I've made the mistake of too
Speaker 1: late before you don't. Okay, Well there we go. All right, Dylan?
Speaker 1: Where are we on the poles?
Speaker 4: Though?
Speaker 7: You want to throw out a new one?
Speaker 2: No, I want to hear the late on al stadiums, Buffalos,
Speaker 2: Hi Marks. Would you like to take a guess, I
Speaker 2: would take a guess that more fans want outdoor stadiums
Speaker 2: than dome stadiums.
Speaker 1: You'd be correct, Tony.
Speaker 7: If you're a fan of a cold weather team, would
Speaker 7: you want her stadium open or domed? Sixty three percent
Speaker 7: want it open.
Speaker 6: PAULI the one I can never picture, and I'm a
Speaker 6: Bears fan. I never pictured it in Chicago. I can
Speaker 6: never picture a top on lambeau Field. I don't think
Speaker 6: it'll happen in our lifetime. I don't think they want it.
Speaker 6: They're not going to get a Super Bowl because of infrastructure,
Speaker 6: just the size. But they got the draft and they
Speaker 6: didn't very well. It would be well, never see it,
Speaker 6: can't see it.
Speaker 1: News of the day.
Speaker 2: We're tracking a very interesting kerfuffle Jade and Daniels and
Speaker 2: his alma mater and the number five. We had a
Speaker 2: poll earlier the day as well. Dylan, back to work, Dylan,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna let.
Speaker 4: You sleep today.
Speaker 7: Chuldell us, you have given out Jade and Daniels number five,
Speaker 7: Jersey and Tony. To your credit, you almost nailed this
Speaker 7: ahead of time. Eighty four, he said, eighty twenty. It's
Speaker 7: eighty two point four to seventeen point six exactly.
Speaker 1: Bad luck for Jade and Daniels.
Speaker 2: The cease and desist letter elevates it to a litigious nature,
Speaker 2: the likes of which fans really aren't going to ever
Speaker 2: take your side doing well.
Speaker 7: We don't have to break down the etymology of cease
Speaker 7: and desist, but I did. Obviously everyone knows ceased desist,
Speaker 7: but is kind of the vague term of the two.
Speaker 4: I looked it up.
Speaker 7: They're synonyms essentially, so it's kind of redundant, like if
Speaker 7: someone just sent you a cease Yeah, I feel like
Speaker 7: that would get the point across.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just stop, I hear you loop loop points going
Speaker 2: for you the good points. Yeah, I would say it's
Speaker 2: a redundant and also means the same thing letter go ahead, Marvin.
Speaker 8: Do you think this is just miscommunication, because I do
Speaker 8: not think this is miscommunication. Aiden James was told by
Speaker 8: somebody that, hey, we're never gonna have you.
Speaker 1: I think somebody's never to think.
Speaker 2: This was supposedly, you know, or possibly wanted to be
Speaker 2: done behind the scenes and now it's public. But I
Speaker 2: think a third rail was pressed in the relationship in
Speaker 2: some way. And hey, Jayden Daniel is allowed to feel
Speaker 2: how he wants to feel. He can believe what he
Speaker 2: was told. But I think in the end, this is
Speaker 2: Lane Kiffin making a decision that, by all American cornerback
Speaker 2: today is more important to me right now in a
Speaker 2: transfer portal era of college football than our Heisman Trophy
Speaker 2: winner from a few years ago.
Speaker 1: And that's what that is.
Speaker 2: Headlines, Well, we can't have a bigger headline than the
Speaker 2: sale of the Los Angeles Lakers. In four days, the
Speaker 2: ownership group of one of the greatest franchises in all
Speaker 2: of sports turned around out of nowhere. I'm gonna ask
Speaker 2: Ramona Shelburne, who knows more about this than anybody who
Speaker 2: broke the story for ESPN, who was most surprised the
Speaker 2: League office, other owners in the league, Lakers players, fans
Speaker 2: of the NBA, or maybe even Kushner and Eiger themselves,
Speaker 2: the two who got the deal to go through in
Speaker 2: the boy that's coming up next.
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Speaker 2: Los Angeles Lakers. It gets swapped and Ramona Shelburn's gonna
Speaker 2: be with us in a minute. But Paulie Fritzy, Marvin Dylan,
Speaker 2: tell me what yesterday was like mid show when the
Speaker 2: news crossed it.
Speaker 1: Was the guys in the back room got it. They
Speaker 1: sent it to us.
Speaker 6: None of us believed it because the Lakers had just
Speaker 6: sold a year ago, so we like triple checked it.
Speaker 1: I thought you were getting spoofed.
Speaker 6: I thought it was a fake Ramona Shelburn account. I'm like,
Speaker 6: I'm double checking. We follow Ramona and yeah, and I
Speaker 6: was like, that's it can't be real.
Speaker 2: And it was.
Speaker 6: We were nervous to put it on the air because
Speaker 6: we're a big in LA and big pause there.
Speaker 2: Wow, I mean that's I think surprise is the first
Speaker 2: part of this story. You know what, Let's bring in
Speaker 2: Ramona Shelburn ESPN Senior Insider and my dear friend, Ramona,
Speaker 2: it's the craziest week of your year and you took
Speaker 2: time for me.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
Speaker 5: You know you're kind of a draw, Tony.
Speaker 2: You're a draw with my kids. I'm a draw with
Speaker 2: your kids. But that's our entire audience, right, MoMA, you
Speaker 2: had to feel you were being punked and spoofed as well.
Speaker 1: Right when this happened.
Speaker 5: I'll tell you this.
Speaker 11: I had gone to bed the night before thinking, well,
Speaker 11: I was it was one of those nights where I
Speaker 11: have to sleep with my phone like right next to
Speaker 11: my head, waiting for a call in the morning, right
Speaker 11: like like literally like like I'll take my phone and
Speaker 11: I'll put it like like right here, because I knew
Speaker 11: I was gonna get calls like very early in the morning.
Speaker 11: And I had known the night before that something big
Speaker 11: was happening.
Speaker 5: But even I didn't believe it.
Speaker 11: Like when I got the first tip, literally somebody said
Speaker 11: are you sitting down?
Speaker 5: And I was.
Speaker 1: Liked, who died?
Speaker 5: What? Like I mean it was?
Speaker 11: I mean, look, I'm gonna take you inside the like
Speaker 11: real reality of it. Yesterday was my second gradest, first
Speaker 11: day of school.
Speaker 5: We were mostly we had hosted.
Speaker 11: We were hosting some family, like I had done the
Speaker 11: big dinner for everyone.
Speaker 5: You know, we were just kind of winding on.
Speaker 1: Momo. It's still momo. How did you confirm it? Though?
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, I need to know how it can't
Speaker 2: I can't get past how this came together in three days,
Speaker 2: all right. I mean I can't go shopping online in
Speaker 2: three days. And this is like I went shopping online
Speaker 2: and I bought the Bollaggio.
Speaker 1: I mean, what is this?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 11: I think it really is that. Like it's think of
Speaker 11: it like you're buying a house. Okay, you you go
Speaker 11: put an offer down on one house, and then all
Speaker 11: of a sudden, while you're like, you know, out you're
Speaker 11: still an escrow or you know they've accepted your offer,
Speaker 11: but they're but you know, there's still a closing period.
Speaker 11: You're down the street, your neighbor's house comes available. You're like, oh, well, shoot,
Speaker 11: I'd much rather have that house. So the money's already
Speaker 11: in order, the bank's already approved, the loans are in order.
Speaker 11: Everything's fine. And I think that's kind of what happened here,
Speaker 11: which is they're buying you know, they're buying an expansion team, but.
Speaker 2: Why were they sold? Why did Walter sell? I mean, please,
Speaker 2: you can separate back from fiction.
Speaker 11: So I think that Mark uh is a savvy businessman.
Speaker 11: I think, you know, we've we all do the math
Speaker 11: because we're people. We don't have billions, okay, and we think, oh,
Speaker 11: he bought for two and he sold for twelve and
Speaker 11: a half. He made two and a half billion, but
Speaker 11: he actually is going to make closer to four. I
Speaker 11: think when this is all said and done, because you forget,
Speaker 11: he bought the first He bought the first shares of
Speaker 11: the Lakers at a five billion dollar valuation, So twenty
Speaker 11: six percent of his shares were a five billion dollar valuation, right,
Speaker 11: so it's gonna be a that's a gigantic financial windfall.
Speaker 11: And I think the back in the background of the
Speaker 11: DOJ investigation obviously plays a role here. It's it's why
Speaker 11: you know, joh Krishner and Bob Aiger thought maybe we
Speaker 11: should place a call shoot your shot, right Like they
Speaker 11: can read headlines. They see somebody who's dealing with the
Speaker 11: FEDS right now, he's dealing with an investigation, and some
Speaker 11: of the sometimes when you're in the middle of investigation.
Speaker 11: There's a benefit to being a little more liquid and
Speaker 11: in terms of how things might need to move around.
Speaker 11: So these are savage businessmen who saw somebody who's in
Speaker 11: the middle of something and figured they would place a
Speaker 11: call and see if that would make sense.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: It was one call from we went from expansion Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: To let's get let's get the Lakers. And it started
Speaker 1: with call three.
Speaker 5: Days yeah, yeah, over the weekend.
Speaker 11: And actually it was two calls because the first call
Speaker 11: Mark was like, the team's not for sale, and then
Speaker 11: he thought about it a little longer and they and
Speaker 11: they called him back and they offered a little bit more.
Speaker 5: It wasn't a lot more, but it was a little
Speaker 5: bit more.
Speaker 11: And he had already now the seed had been planted,
Speaker 11: and he was amenable to it.
Speaker 5: And they also it was had to be literally he
Speaker 5: had to give an answer in a day like this.
Speaker 5: They had needed to know because.
Speaker 11: Other way they're going to go back to well, they
Speaker 11: were going to go back to the expansion process. Right,
Speaker 11: like you're buying one house, another in your neighbor's house comes.
Speaker 2: Available, right, I have to ask you this, Ramona Bill
Speaker 2: Plashy column.
Speaker 1: Uh huh, our dear friend, too.
Speaker 2: Many questions, not enough answers. Lakers sale doesn't pass smell test.
Speaker 2: What questions do you have?
Speaker 11: I want to know if the if the Dodgers are
Speaker 11: I don't think they're for sale, but I know that
Speaker 11: when one billionaire calls another and he sells something unexpectedly,
Speaker 11: there's going to be more people that call, right, you know,
Speaker 11: clear Like I'll put it this way, Mark Walter did
Speaker 11: not go into the weekend intending to sell the Lakers, right,
Speaker 11: he didn't. And there was every you know, Brian Win,
Speaker 11: who is my colleague, he likes to say actions over words.
Speaker 11: So the actions of the Lakers this summer, the actions
Speaker 11: of the Lakers very recently, and Mark Walter's team have
Speaker 11: been been about bill something in LA, about building the
Speaker 11: Lakers out, and they've been they signed people the four
Speaker 11: year deals, right, they've been hiring people, they've been put
Speaker 11: dodgerizing everything. This is this is not the actions of
Speaker 11: somebody who was like looking to sell. However, there was
Speaker 11: this thing in the background that I think it was
Speaker 11: an interesting variable that and let's look, I want to
Speaker 11: do the timing on this because I think it's really
Speaker 11: important This investigation has been going on since last September,
Speaker 11: before he even bought the Lakers.
Speaker 5: Okay, the Lakers.
Speaker 11: There had been a purchase in place, but the sale
Speaker 11: had not been approved until October. So, like, I know,
Speaker 11: it all seems like that. You know, we all read
Speaker 11: the stories the last few months. It's something obviously he
Speaker 11: and his company have been dealing with for a year essentially,
Speaker 11: But this has been going on a long time, and
Speaker 11: they had been operating as somebody who was building something
Speaker 11: in La. But if somebody at one moment when he
Speaker 11: ran the math, you know, and he did the Fakers
Speaker 11: and he goes, wow, it's a pretty that's a hell
Speaker 11: of evaluation, and it's it's almost for him personally. It's
Speaker 11: about a almost four billion dollar windfall based off of
Speaker 11: what I got.
Speaker 2: That part of the money I don't get, the time lofe.
Speaker 2: I don't get so much else. What do Lakers fans
Speaker 2: need to know about the future of this team today?
Speaker 5: Cool, That's that's a really good question, ton.
Speaker 11: You know, they've been building something and doing something new,
Speaker 11: so now all of a sudden, how much of the
Speaker 11: building process is going to continue?
Speaker 5: Like it's like we just swapped contractors.
Speaker 11: I mean, I'm I'm, I'm I guess I'm big on
Speaker 11: the metaphors today, but but you know that.
Speaker 5: Okay, so they've been dodgerizing it.
Speaker 11: Andrew Friedman has been talking about Balinka and far Haan
Speaker 11: z aid. He's been in the front office as March representative,
Speaker 11: And Okay, what's what's going to happen now? What happens
Speaker 11: to they hired, you know, five or six people are
Speaker 11: pretty senior executives.
Speaker 5: What happens now?
Speaker 11: Like are Bob Iger and Josh Krishner? Are they gonna
Speaker 11: keep those people? Are they gonna hire all new people?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 11: It's it's very it's very I don't know yet, and
Speaker 11: I don't think they know yet, right. I think my
Speaker 11: instinct is you don't pay twelve and a half billion
Speaker 11: dollars for a for a franchise like this and let
Speaker 11: someone else run it.
Speaker 2: Right, So the question is going to run the team?
Speaker 2: It still gets back to Krishner and Eiger for you.
Speaker 11: I think so yeah, I mean, I look, Bob Iger's
Speaker 11: you know, he's he was our boss at ESPN for
Speaker 11: a long time Disney and he uh, he's got some
Speaker 11: time on his hands.
Speaker 5: I don't think he's gonna be like the GM.
Speaker 11: I think he'll be the CEO, and you'll probably hire
Speaker 11: at president and at GM and all these guys.
Speaker 5: But he's got time to do this.
Speaker 11: Josh Kushner, obviously he's a young man, he's forty one.
Speaker 11: He lives here in Los Angeles, like he's you know,
Speaker 11: clearly he has an interest in sports and it's not
Speaker 11: just an investment interest.
Speaker 5: So I think they'll be very involved.
Speaker 11: But it's gonna take a couple of months for this
Speaker 11: to maybe be approved by the by the rest of
Speaker 11: the owners. So season starts, you know, everything is business
Speaker 11: as usual for now until it's not.
Speaker 5: It's a very anything that it.
Speaker 1: Might not go through. What is what is the right there?
Speaker 5: Yeah, just to I haven't got any sense of that.
Speaker 11: I think the owners, the rest of the owners obviously
Speaker 11: have to like what they're you know, the sale price
Speaker 11: like that, that just made their property values go.
Speaker 2: Yes, right, that's the cow I wanted also, And you
Speaker 2: can only answer one. In the last twenty four hours,
Speaker 2: maybe who was reached out to you? Who do you
Speaker 2: think has told you they've been most surprised. NBA owners,
Speaker 2: NBA League office, Lakers players, Lakers fans.
Speaker 11: Ig and cushioner. I got a lot of calls. Well,
Speaker 11: I got a lot of calls. I got calls in
Speaker 11: text yesterday from a lot of ownership level people. Yeah, yeah, going,
Speaker 11: what the hell?
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 6: That was.
Speaker 5: Whoa?
Speaker 2: You had one incredibly successful television series on one Los
Speaker 2: Angeles basketball team. I think it's time to get the
Speaker 2: writ and back up again for another very successful TV series.
Speaker 2: This is this has gotten made for TV written all
Speaker 2: over it. Can I ask you about Russell Westbrook, Ramona Shelberk,
Speaker 2: I believe you've covered him for a considerable amount of time, both.
Speaker 1: In NBA and college. Did you cover him in high school?
Speaker 1: Do I have this right as well?
Speaker 11: I didn't know him in high school, didn't know him
Speaker 11: in high.
Speaker 5: School, but I did. I was there his freshman year
Speaker 5: at UCLA.
Speaker 1: Did Russell Westbrook retire in his own terms?
Speaker 11: I guess like in a way he did.
Speaker 5: He.
Speaker 11: I think he had some offers and minimum level offer
Speaker 11: just again, you know, I don't know that he wanted
Speaker 11: to go play for like the worst team in the
Speaker 11: league again for a minimum in his last five six
Speaker 11: years or certainly not fitting of a Hall of Flame
Speaker 11: player of his caliber. Right, bouncing around and you know,
Speaker 11: the thing in LA didn't work out with Lebron and
Speaker 11: then he sort of bounced around to Denver. That year
Speaker 11: was actually pretty good for him in terms of sick
Speaker 11: you know, wins and losses. But the final year in
Speaker 11: Sacramento that wasn't. That was just to kind of a throwaway.
Speaker 11: But I don't I think when you look back on
Speaker 11: somebody's career, you sort of forget the ending, Like it's
Speaker 11: like the Wizard years for the for Jordan, like, I'll
Speaker 11: just remember his athleticism, his desire, his ferocity on the court,
Speaker 11: Like that's a word that comes to mind when I
Speaker 11: see him.
Speaker 5: Intensity.
Speaker 11: I remember him as this just little freshman at UCLA.
Speaker 5: He wasn't you know, he wasn't recruited, but he had
Speaker 5: so much fire in him.
Speaker 11: He just made himself into the player he was by
Speaker 11: that effort and fire that he put out every single
Speaker 11: side career.
Speaker 2: With an interesting ebb and flow though from the yeah
Speaker 2: Riple double MVP year with incredible acclaim and then there
Speaker 2: was almost a correction of appreciation for him. Did NBA
Speaker 2: fans appreciate him enough? Was there an over critical view
Speaker 2: of him when league started to look in a more
Speaker 2: efficiency base statistical lie.
Speaker 5: That I agree with you.
Speaker 11: I think I think I actually think fans appreciate Westbrook
Speaker 11: more than the what do you want to call the
Speaker 11: analytics crowd, you know, the the that that level of
Speaker 11: analysim maybe.
Speaker 5: The media too. Fans really like Westbrook.
Speaker 11: Everywhere I went, I would always I've covered him a lot.
Speaker 11: I governed him in those Oklahoma City years, in Denver
Speaker 11: obviously with the Lakers, with the Rockets.
Speaker 5: I mean, he was like a very popular.
Speaker 11: Player, and especially live and in person, but also online.
Speaker 11: Like I think fans respond to heart, right, you know,
Speaker 11: that's that's my players. I respond to heart, you know
Speaker 11: you like, just you feel that guy, Like I'll never
Speaker 11: forget when he was with the Nuggets and he came
Speaker 11: back to Oklahoma City and he just just won them
Speaker 11: a playoff game. Do you remember that game in Oakham
Speaker 11: City and the fans they gave him a standing ovation.
Speaker 11: When he's on the rival team in the middle of
Speaker 11: the playoffs and they gave a standing ovation. I was like,
Speaker 11: that is the ultimate sign of respect. And I really
Speaker 11: think it's just because he wore his heart on his
Speaker 11: sleeve for so many years.
Speaker 5: They appreciated it.
Speaker 2: Okay, one more question for you, momo, and you've been
Speaker 2: so gracious with your time and the busiest week of
Speaker 2: your year. Last time I saw you, I got party boys.
Speaker 2: I think last time I saw you was maybe the
Speaker 2: day before the redecision or a couple days, and you
Speaker 2: were prepping forward. It's a month late Lebron leaving the
Speaker 2: Lakers mutual decision or is it led by one side?
Speaker 1: In your eye?
Speaker 11: I think these seeds of that were sown last year.
Speaker 11: I think in talking to people on both sides, I
Speaker 11: think it was we all had talked ourselves into this
Speaker 11: idea that the Lakers could bring him back, because he
Speaker 11: bought into that third banana role. But I don't think
Speaker 11: he ever really wanted that. I don't think he. I
Speaker 11: think that was just something he made the best of.
Speaker 11: And also they paid it fifty two million dollars last year,
Speaker 11: so I think he just kind of you know, I
Speaker 11: think he played it out, but I don't think he
Speaker 11: was ever going to come back on those terms.
Speaker 5: In that role.
Speaker 2: Ramona Shelburne, thank you for giving us the time and
Speaker 2: the last voice that you have in your body. You
Speaker 2: are You're very gracious and wonderful. We love you, Ramona,
Speaker 2: thank you very much. That's Ramona Shelburne. Of course, ESPN's
Speaker 2: senior NBA insider.
Speaker 1: A wild story that I still don't know if I have.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's almost like, talk to me like you
Speaker 2: would a young child or a golden retriever and explain
Speaker 2: to me how the Lakers got flipped.
Speaker 6: PAULI you we were talking about this before the show.
Speaker 6: There's lots and lots of billionaires in the country. Become
Speaker 6: a famous or knighthood in our country is to own
Speaker 6: a sports team. My whole life royalty Royalty and the
Speaker 6: Bus family owned the Lakers basically our entire live and
Speaker 6: it felt like that is not something you ever give
Speaker 6: up if you can. And it was a surprise when
Speaker 6: the Bus family sold, but to flip it in one
Speaker 6: year just it feels murky.
Speaker 1: Murky's the word murk. Dylan, Yeah, I mean it.
Speaker 7: Obviously it seems like saw on an Island. It seems
Speaker 7: like a great business deal, but it also seems like
Speaker 7: someone who may have had to needed cash fast or
Speaker 7: you know, I know the investigation is about sort of
Speaker 7: undisclosed loans I think that were involved in the purchase.
Speaker 1: Of the Dodgers.
Speaker 7: So it's like, is it paying down some of those
Speaker 7: loans asapens sort of put that thing to bed or
Speaker 7: what's I don't know. It's very odd. And how did
Speaker 7: Kushner and Bob Eiger raised all? I mean, obviously one's
Speaker 7: a billionaire, one's close to it, but they didn't have
Speaker 7: sitting on twelve and a half belt.
Speaker 1: Fritzie's got his hands up. He knows had to raise
Speaker 1: some money here.
Speaker 12: But how to get a team like Lakers? The other
Speaker 12: thing that doesn't make sense. How do you not go
Speaker 12: to the highest buildy? How do you not keep this
Speaker 12: going for a while a team like the Los Angeles Lakers?
Speaker 1: As much as you got the other part of it.
Speaker 1: That's a great point, Todd.
Speaker 2: That's a bleep bleep bleep polee poop poop ding ding
Speaker 2: ding whatever. Uh yeah, that's it right. This has to
Speaker 2: happen in the next out. No, it doesn't have to
Speaker 2: happen next day. It doesn't have to happen you know,
Speaker 2: it could happen again next week, or you get Las Vegas, Marvin.
Speaker 8: And this is like selling the Yankees or the Cowboys
Speaker 8: a year after you buy them. You're selling them no disrespect.
Speaker 8: It's not like you bought the Milwaukee Bucks then you
Speaker 8: sold them a year later. You're selling one of the
Speaker 8: pre eminent franchises in all of American sports in a year.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we're gonna get the answers to
Speaker 2: these questions this week. I know Ramona is gonna be
Speaker 2: the one digging and I trust that.
Speaker 7: So Dylan, Yeah, and I think it was gonna be
Speaker 7: in the neighborhood of ten billion for the expansion team
Speaker 7: in Vegas, which obviously has had some of its struggles
Speaker 7: of its own recently. So relatively speaking, twelve and a
Speaker 7: half for the Lakers kind of seems like a bargain
Speaker 7: in a weird way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're in a zombie ownership world where we
Speaker 2: are now moving further away from Pollie's ideal, which is
Speaker 2: the family owned and in some that's pros and cons.
Speaker 2: I mean, ask Yankee fans if they're loving the family
Speaker 2: owned right now. I mean they appreciate and they wish
Speaker 2: George Steinbretter was back instead of the children.
Speaker 1: So I think the.
Speaker 2: Lakers don't exactly feel like the Lakers now.
Speaker 1: That could change.
Speaker 2: Luca has an MVP year and they start twenty and
Speaker 2: four and now it doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1: You don't think about the.
Speaker 2: Ownership, and that's teams have won championships not thinking about
Speaker 2: the ownership. You're thinking about San Antonio's ownership. When they
Speaker 2: were going on a dynasty run, you're thinking about No, yes, Marvin,
Speaker 2: the Knicks.
Speaker 1: The Knicks.
Speaker 8: I feel like they won in spite of their owner.
Speaker 2: And I feel like they want in spite of their owner.
Speaker 2: Or they got one right, they got one just happening
Speaker 2: in a fluke ear Yeah, So that was that was
Speaker 2: a drop story. I just need to finish up on
Speaker 2: Russell Westbrook, though I was saying he was one of
Speaker 2: my favorite player, my favorite player of the last twenty years.
Speaker 1: I loved this relentlessness. Everyone loves his athleticism.
Speaker 2: The point I'm making here is you always fall in
Speaker 2: love with guys who played in an earlier era, who
Speaker 2: he thought could play great in this era. I thought
Speaker 2: he played great in this era, but I also thought
Speaker 2: his game got minimized in such a whiplash way.
Speaker 1: And it's his fault. Of course.
Speaker 2: He didn't develop a three point shot developer, but he
Speaker 2: was playing at ten, he was playing at eleven, and
Speaker 2: the shot was never gonna get there.
Speaker 1: And what made him.
Speaker 2: So good at the first stage of his career, well,
Speaker 2: when the league turned into a per efficiency spacing type league,
Speaker 2: he was the wrong player for that time. And that's
Speaker 2: why he finishes his career in a way where you know,
Speaker 2: I've heard Cartmello Anthony sayah, he's going to be out
Speaker 2: of the league. The league's just gonna have no use
Speaker 2: for him. And he played eighteen years and is going
Speaker 2: to make the Hall of Fame, and that's great. He
Speaker 2: means I have to say goodbye to my pre show rhyming.
Speaker 1: Warm up.
Speaker 2: All right, guys, you know where I'm going with this.
Speaker 2: Do you guys warm up your voice before you go
Speaker 2: on show? Clearly now, Fritzy and Limerick Dylan.
Speaker 4: I don't think I can warm this thing up, okay.
Speaker 1: Well. Russell Westbrook, Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 2: There it is is a name that is going to
Speaker 2: trip every broadcaster once, especially when you're doing play by play.
Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook, Russell Westbrook, Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 2: The wiley Russell Westbrook, the rascally Russell Westbrook. So whenever
Speaker 2: you run into a Russell Westbrook, you know you feel stupid,
Speaker 2: but you have to know it's taken down bigger broadcasters
Speaker 2: than yourself. So every every morning before I did an
Speaker 2: appearance or around the horn or PTI i said, the
Speaker 2: rascally Russell Westbrook, the rascally Russell Westbrook, the rascally Russell Westbrook,
Speaker 2: Marvin please.
Speaker 8: It was it wasn't my issue. It was getting him
Speaker 8: confused with Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2: And I would always say, right, give me the wiley
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson five times fast.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, said that again, the wiley Russell Wilson.
Speaker 8: See, I'm not even try I can't even embarrass myself
Speaker 8: more than I already do.
Speaker 1: Mm hm, Paully.
Speaker 6: Mine was red River rivalry, and I slowed down on
Speaker 6: that one. It used to be the shootout.
Speaker 1: Yeah, red River shootout was so much easier had River rivalry. Fritzy.
Speaker 12: I think it's pretty much everything I've been made fun
Speaker 12: of many times on my list, and anything that involves
Speaker 12: an s I just I'm just destroying it where it
Speaker 12: sounds like I'm having some kind.
Speaker 2: Of silly Will you do me the honor of saying
Speaker 2: the rascally Russell Westbrook three times.
Speaker 7: Rascally Russell Westbrook, rascally Russell Westbrook, rascally Russell Westbrook outstead.
Speaker 1: I think once you get to I think three is doable.
Speaker 4: Five is when you sat at the wall.
Speaker 2: I'll take your calls eight seven seven three DP show.
Speaker 2: I know we're coming up to the back end, but
Speaker 2: I'm hanging over time with you guys. I'll call you
Speaker 2: up a call out show. We'll be back with our
Speaker 2: lot of good stuff today. Right what are we doing
Speaker 2: the player that day, sports history, sports history, We're gonna
Speaker 2: do it all. What we learned, what we learned, We're
Speaker 2: gonna learn something right now when we come back on
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Speaker 1: Now I've learned.
Speaker 2: I've been muting myself because I walk away from the microphone.
Speaker 2: So finally something ESPN could never do. Now I'm being muted.
Speaker 2: Well done, Dan Nettes. Let's stay in front one of
Speaker 2: the microphone reality please.
Speaker 1: Okay, look at this. My friend Kevin Clark is with us.
Speaker 2: I've waited for this for so long, Kevin Clark, this
Speaker 2: is football.
Speaker 1: O maha.
Speaker 2: Of course, ESPN my main man who took his son
Speaker 2: Teddy to the Yankee game last night, and he's walking
Speaker 2: around with a jersey that said legend.
Speaker 4: I love that, and not only that, it had Mickey
Speaker 4: Mouse on the front. As a proud Disney employee, we
Speaker 4: had to we had to shout out them. But no, no,
Speaker 4: I I it was Uh. He's obsessed with the Yankees.
Speaker 4: As you know, I do have one. I have one.
Speaker 4: I have one dad question for you. Okay, Yankee Stada
Speaker 4: not to not to hijack this. So last night we
Speaker 4: go to the playground on the third or fourth level
Speaker 4: and as we're there, a moonshot goes high into the
Speaker 4: air and he sees it because we're level with it,
Speaker 4: and it goes over his head and he's mesmerized, Okay, mesmerized,
Speaker 4: like this is a foundational moment in his life, seeing
Speaker 4: a major league baseball go high in the air over
Speaker 4: his head. Probably it felt like it was close enough
Speaker 4: to grab, and obviously it wasn't. Maybe fifty feet okay.
Speaker 4: Juli Ardriguez hit Okay, goes into the the right field
Speaker 4: bleachers and he's mesmerized. On the way home, he goes, Daddy,
Speaker 4: which Yankee hit that ball? And I had to say, so,
Speaker 4: I said, Son, that was Spencer Jones. And now he's
Speaker 4: going for telling mom, Spencer Jones hit a home run
Speaker 4: that went right by my head. And and it was
Speaker 4: this ethical of me. And now my feeling is he's
Speaker 4: obsessed with the Yankees. He's gonna have this forever. Maybe
Speaker 4: he'll fact check it in thirty years. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Was this an ethical?
Speaker 2: Dad, Well, you only find out when he applies for colleges.
Speaker 1: I love Taddy, loves seeing him out there.
Speaker 2: We have a story today, Kevin that I just need
Speaker 2: to get your take on before we get to everything
Speaker 2: You've done, all the great conversations you've had with the
Speaker 2: Bills at Bill's camp and Lions Jade and Daniels cease
Speaker 2: and desist. Have you ever been served a season desist letter?
Speaker 4: By the by the way, not yeah, but the day
Speaker 4: is young.
Speaker 2: It's possible your wife has a bullet surprise winner. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I am now obligated to say, I am proud to say.
Speaker 4: I don't think she's gotten. She's got. She gets lots
Speaker 4: of scary lawyer letters, but nothing, nothing arises to a
Speaker 4: level of.
Speaker 2: This from Jade and Daniels attorneys to LSU saying number five, Nope, nope, nope,
Speaker 2: you can't give that away.
Speaker 1: You can't let someone else wear that.
Speaker 2: And I am thinking of you, my friend, the Miami
Speaker 2: Hurricane eACT. You are a Hurricane EAC. And let's think
Speaker 2: Ray Lewis, ed Reez mm HM, Benny Tested, Bertie, Bertie Cozar.
Speaker 4: George Meyra, number ten. Okay, listen, a lot of numbers
Speaker 4: you wouldn't think are because it's you know, they played
Speaker 4: football for like seventy years before they got good basically.
Speaker 4: But a lot of great numbers, a lot of greats.
Speaker 4: So I think there's a lot to this story. I
Speaker 4: think it's a perfect August thirteenth story. Thank you lawyers
Speaker 4: for dropping this. I saw a couple. Hey, shouldn't it
Speaker 4: be worried about training camp. He's worried about training camp.
Speaker 4: His lawyer is worried about us and getting through this
Speaker 4: content week. So I appreciate you, Jade and Daniels lawyer.
Speaker 4: So they're trying to say, now, if you see the
Speaker 4: last couple hours, oh no, this is unrelated. We just
Speaker 4: don't want them using the nil Okay, we don't using
Speaker 4: the name management image you likeness, but we know timeline wise,
Speaker 4: it was a reaction to dj Pickett, who was a
Speaker 4: five star out of Tampa last year, who, by the way,
Speaker 4: is the Studs SI's four cornerbacks in NFL very soon,
Speaker 4: a very very good player. So Brian Kelly promised the
Speaker 4: number five. Jane Daniel gets upset about that. I understand
Speaker 4: that part, But now people I think are I saw
Speaker 4: a bunch of LSU fans diminishing with Jane Daniels a couple.
Speaker 4: She won the Heisman Trophy. He had one of the
Speaker 4: most explosive play rates of anybody in the history of
Speaker 4: college football. I know Joe Burrow retired as their left
Speaker 4: college having the most touched on passes in history. He
Speaker 4: has that record till Billy Zappy has it gets it
Speaker 4: two years later. But Jayden Daniels put up almost just
Speaker 4: as good numbers. Okay, he doesn't win NAT Championship because
Speaker 4: the defense was off on. Brian Kelly was the worst
Speaker 4: coach at Ozeon in Baton Rouge in Baton Rouge. Okay,
Speaker 4: but I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna broaden this, Tony. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you mentioned Miami. We can't be retiring college numbers. We
Speaker 4: can't do it. There's too many plays. The house settlement
Speaker 4: just went to one hundred and five players. Okay.
Speaker 1: On scholarship we got two number twelve players. Two number
Speaker 1: thirty six is we don't even know who's on the field.
Speaker 4: We're lucky, We're lucky. If we have two to a number,
Speaker 4: we have to be throwing three off our special teams.
Speaker 1: I think I think I hear you on that.
Speaker 2: But if someone were to come in, even if his
Speaker 2: name were Teddy Clark and say you know what I
Speaker 2: want Ray Lewis's number in Miami, I think I think
Speaker 2: I'm the guy to take that number.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So they this is this is they faced this issue.
Speaker 4: They reissue jersey numbers that have been retired or honored
Speaker 4: wherever you want to call it. Yeah, and this is
Speaker 4: what you should do. They put up patch. They put
Speaker 4: a patch there that says Ray Lewis.
Speaker 2: Solve this already, the branch already.
Speaker 4: So what DJ Pickett has to do? This fall easiest
Speaker 4: thing in the world. It's got a little patch on
Speaker 4: his right shoulder that says Jaden Daniels with a Heisman
Speaker 4: trophy logo.
Speaker 1: Here we go, des oriented Kevin and.
Speaker 4: Then DJ on TV all the time, every time they
Speaker 4: show him from honoring James's.
Speaker 2: Solutions oriented Kevin Clark. This is why thirty one percent
Speaker 2: win percentage on Around the Horn. Second in show history,
Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts. You got to explain this to me because
Speaker 2: just two days ago, I'm watching Kevin Clark makes some
Speaker 2: great television on first take defending Jalen Hurts and saying,
Speaker 2: I don't know why he gets criticism that others don't.
Speaker 1: He won a Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: And now we have social media of the team posting
Speaker 2: a video and it's not just a video.
Speaker 1: Let me get my take out here. First, this was cinematic.
Speaker 2: This was score sazy, the deep focus on Jalen Hurts
Speaker 2: to start the video. In Beauty a full sunlit sunflair
Speaker 2: like jj Abrams took him by two direct I don't
Speaker 2: know what I'm doing. And then the interception, and now
Speaker 2: we're seeing interception and they're celebrating Hugh Mitchell's interception, but
Speaker 2: everyone's focused on Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 1: What is happening here?
Speaker 4: There were a lot of examples Tony in the last
Speaker 4: twenty four hours of teams that cut out who threw
Speaker 4: the pass on a social media interception. I look at
Speaker 4: it differently. I think the Eagles fans, no Eagles Eagles
Speaker 4: fans and whatever media. I think that Jalen Hurts is
Speaker 4: the guy. No one's trying to bench him, no one's
Speaker 4: trying to run out of town. I don't think his
Speaker 4: confidence is gonna get shot because queeny On Mitchell is
Speaker 4: one of the best cornerbacks in football. Interception. I just
Speaker 4: don't think it's that big a deal. I don't think.
Speaker 4: I think if you're in Cleveland, Tony and it's Shuldar
Speaker 4: Sanders and you're trying to pump him up and you're
Speaker 4: trying to have his confidence go or whomever Dylan Gabriel
Speaker 4: in Cleveland, because you're in a competition, that's one thing.
Speaker 4: No one's taking Jalen Hurts's job. Tanner McKee's not not
Speaker 4: taking Jalen.
Speaker 2: The only doesn't play here, Kevin. I know it's not
Speaker 2: a big deal unless the fans think it's a big deal.
Speaker 2: Let me let me this is my own I'm positing
Speaker 2: a theory here, the master take maker.
Speaker 1: You remember the doomsday clock.
Speaker 2: H This was the thing, a big thing course in
Speaker 2: our age in school and it was Cold War or
Speaker 2: whatever it was. We solved the ozone layer and you
Speaker 2: find out the doomsday clock.
Speaker 1: I remember this.
Speaker 2: We solved the ozone layer in the nineties or whatever,
Speaker 2: and I was told the doomsday clock was much better.
Speaker 1: It moved to eleven fifty seven.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like fifty seven.
Speaker 1: That doesn't sound better, and it should be like six thirty,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, Jalen hursh just won a Super Bowl one
Speaker 2: and a half seasons ago. Why does it feel like
Speaker 2: in Philadelphia there's a doomsday clock on him that's always
Speaker 2: at eleven fifty seven. Maybe not that he's gonna take
Speaker 2: his job, but that he's not good. The doomsday clock
Speaker 2: should be at six thirty am for Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 4: He gets punished for having good players around to him
Speaker 4: in a way that I'm not sure I've seen with
Speaker 4: modern quarterback play. I don't know, Mahomes is a lot
Speaker 4: better than Jalen Hurts. Okay, that's just the way it goes.
Speaker 4: But no one is saying, hey, when Mahomes came into
Speaker 4: the league, he had Tyreek Keley had Prime Travis Kelsey,
Speaker 4: he had the All pros in the offensive line. We
Speaker 4: had Cream Hunt in the backfield, did Andy Reid? He
Speaker 4: had advantages. And the only person it's driving me nuts,
Speaker 4: the only person who gets criticized for having advantages is
Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts. We just talked about with Jayden Daniels. Jadan
Speaker 4: Daniels had basically no advantages at LSU, bad coach, bad defense.
Speaker 4: You know, good skill guys, but not you know, not
Speaker 4: Jamar Chason and Justin Jefferson, like Joe Brow did. The
Speaker 4: discourse around Jalen Hurts has gotten so toxic and annoying
Speaker 4: that I have felt the need to become a Jalen
Speaker 4: Hurts defender. And even now everybody's shortening the Eagles. Look
Speaker 4: at that roster. When I went around Tony to my
Speaker 4: training camp tours, I'd go to places like Buffalo and say, hey, guys,
Speaker 4: who's the second best player on this team after Josh Allen?
Speaker 4: And they go, oh, Dean Dawkins kind of added off year.
Speaker 4: Maybe it's Spencer Brown. There are maybe six or seven
Speaker 4: guys who credibly on the Eagles would be the second
Speaker 4: best player, and a lot of contenders, A lot of
Speaker 4: you mentioned Quinnion Mitchell, Quinna Mitch will be the second
Speaker 4: best player, and a lot of teams that we're trying
Speaker 4: to get into the Super Bowl picture, and he's not
Speaker 4: the second best player on the Eagles. So it's driving
Speaker 4: me nuts that media and fans not only want a
Speaker 4: short Jaalen hurts, they want to get they want to
Speaker 4: move the Eagles out of the quarterback one the Super Well.
Speaker 2: You off the toxicity, then let's get to the puncuctivity here.
Speaker 2: You just reference the Bills. You talk to Joe Brady,
Speaker 2: and you talk to Josh Allen. Josh Allen told you
Speaker 2: you keep on knocking on that door, the door is
Speaker 2: going to open up. Is patients the right mindset for
Speaker 2: Josh Allen in year nine?
Speaker 4: Yes, it's a dangerous us a habit to get into
Speaker 4: to say, okay, what's gonna happen? But it will happen
Speaker 4: with John. I got a question on tvesterday which quarterback
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen do you do you
Speaker 4: think will win a Super Bowl? All three will win
Speaker 4: a Super Bowl. I actually think Joe Burrow is probably
Speaker 4: the three mostion line this year because of the defensive
Speaker 4: moves of the Bengals made. But I think Josh Allen's
Speaker 4: gonna win a ring. I think he's gonna win a Buffalo.
Speaker 4: I just think that panic is the wrong way to
Speaker 4: go about it, right, Changing everything is the wrong way
Speaker 4: to go about it. When you look at Baltimore League
Speaker 4: a Buffalo. One thing they did was, hey, guess what
Speaker 4: on the offense side of the ball, quarterback, We're good.
Speaker 4: We're not gonna freak out. We're not gonna do wholesale changes.
Speaker 4: You're gonna bringing Joe Brady, who's done the schemes for
Speaker 4: Josh Allen for two years now, and you're gonna Ben
Speaker 4: jesse Mentor in Baltimore to fix up that defense because
Speaker 4: Lamar Jackson's gonna handle things in the offense. Panic is
Speaker 4: a bad thing. I don't remember a time Tony Reality
Speaker 4: where football panic led to anything good. So Josh Allen saying, hey,
Speaker 4: we were a couple of plays away against Den. They
Speaker 4: would have made the Super Bowl. They could have They
Speaker 4: probably could have competed with the Seahawks had they played.
Speaker 4: It wouldn't have been like they wouldn't have gotten the
Speaker 4: spam Bletz hit the Seahawks ran over and over and
Speaker 4: over again. So the whole thing hinders on a couple
Speaker 4: different plays. You don't panic. I remember Jim Harbaugh talked
Speaker 4: about Sissyphis right, rolling the rock up the hill. Yeah,
Speaker 4: rolling in the rock up the hill every single time.
Speaker 4: That's what you gotta do. And it stinks. It stinks,
Speaker 4: but that's what you gotta do.
Speaker 2: Somebody to protect the rock from hitting Justin Herbert every
Speaker 2: now and then. That's what he needs to be focusing on. Right,
Speaker 2: too many bits for Justin? So you've been too many camps?
Speaker 4: Is off?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 11: Right?
Speaker 2: Do you sense a different feeling in different camps and intensity?
Speaker 1: I mean this.
Speaker 2: Team is flat right now and they need to really
Speaker 2: ship up or shape out type feeling I know who
Speaker 2: yeah specifically yeah.
Speaker 4: Okay, So when I used to do a camp tour
Speaker 4: that was twenty teams in twenty one days. Now I
Speaker 4: do ten teams in like fourteen days. And the difference
Speaker 4: is now I almost only go to good teams, and
Speaker 4: when I went to a bad team, the teams that
Speaker 4: were going to be bad Tony, I got exactly what
Speaker 4: you were describing. And it was always you'd always have
Speaker 4: this in Cleveland, not not now, but in the past,
Speaker 4: where it's like, you know, people come up to you
Speaker 4: the big thing, whether it was in Cleveland or some
Speaker 4: of these old, these old older you know, the Jets,
Speaker 4: whether it was the you know, there were a couple
Speaker 4: other franchises that have always been stuck in the mud,
Speaker 4: and you'd go to these places in August tenth reality
Speaker 4: and there'd be people trying to distance themselves from what
Speaker 4: was about to happen. They'd go, I don't know.
Speaker 1: In this soft season, it was he for now.
Speaker 4: I only went to Lyons brown Bill's Packers. So the
Speaker 4: Browns were the team that were probably not in playoff contention,
Speaker 4: but I felt like Todd Munkin is the right guy
Speaker 4: for that situation. So I really didn't go to a
Speaker 4: team where I was like, oh, I don't now I
Speaker 4: used to do that. When I used to do every
Speaker 4: team doesn't really happen anymore. You know, I didn't go.
Speaker 4: One thing is I didn't go to Pittsburgh, and part
Speaker 4: of it, Tony Is was timing and all that stuff.
Speaker 4: But I just don't see much going on in Pittsburgh.
Speaker 4: I don't see a happy ending there. I don't see
Speaker 4: you know, I fell at the hire with Mike McCarthy
Speaker 4: was a little bit weird reality when he's talked about
Speaker 4: having three coaches since nineteen sixty nine and everyone fitting
Speaker 4: the same profile. Right, young coordinator, let's go football, mind,
Speaker 4: Let's have twenty years with this guy, and we'll just
Speaker 4: set our clock and we'll see you in twenty years.
Speaker 4: One time they make a new higher. Mike McCarthy to me,
Speaker 4: feels like a stop gap, win now type of guy
Speaker 4: to maximize the window they have right now. The Steelers,
Speaker 4: to me, have never made decisions like that. That was
Speaker 4: what gave me Paula's on the whole thing. I think
Speaker 4: I had a lot of people Steeer fans been mad
Speaker 4: at me for tom about Aaron Rodgers and how sure
Speaker 4: he was throwing last year and how quick he was throwing.
Speaker 4: He can't move anymore.
Speaker 1: It's about to be shorter, It's about to be quick
Speaker 1: to be quicker.
Speaker 4: Exactly. He can't move anymore. He listen. He still has
Speaker 4: the vision that doesn't really go away. Although not I'm
Speaker 4: about to enter my forties, gonna be maybe my vision
Speaker 4: start to go. But he still got the vision. He
Speaker 4: just can't move and and so that that that's my concern.
Speaker 4: People are saying, oh, he didn't have enough targets the
Speaker 4: skill guys. Last year Arthur Smith was was uh, you know,
Speaker 4: giving him bad plays. Guys. I promise you if Aaron
Speaker 4: Rodgers could have.
Speaker 1: All right, you're you're allowed and clear.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just it's it drives me.
Speaker 1: He can't move. I'm gonna ask you to move now.
Speaker 2: This is a rapid fire New Bill Stadium official Kevin
Speaker 2: Clark review giving it high mark.
Speaker 4: Oh I like that, Yeah, I got it, got it.
Speaker 1: Outdoor football is good good.
Speaker 4: I don't know reality why everybody decided that everything has
Speaker 4: to like Sofi Stadium so it canna have a Final four?
Speaker 4: And you know what Buffalo did that. I like, they said,
Speaker 4: we don't want we're not going to get a final four.
Speaker 4: We're not going to get a super to give a
Speaker 4: stadium for our fance.
Speaker 1: And and if you're at.
Speaker 2: The stadium, looking for the biggest screen you could watch.
Speaker 2: You've already got another problem. Watched the game cold Water.
Speaker 2: Clark dump Cold Water on a team right now that
Speaker 2: people think are higher than you think.
Speaker 4: I still want to see more from the Jaguars. I
Speaker 4: still want to see more from the Jaguars, who have
Speaker 4: a lot of buzz going into the season. I loved
Speaker 4: what Liam con did last year treating Trevor Lawrence, giving
Speaker 4: Trevor Lawrence a Baker Mayfield scheme where he's using.
Speaker 1: His legs a little bit more.
Speaker 4: Tons of confidence, but it was eight game sample size.
Speaker 4: Lawrence didn't take care of the ball and playoffs didn't
Speaker 4: take care of the ball in the early part of
Speaker 4: the season. I just want to see a little bit
Speaker 4: more vast one.
Speaker 2: You're hot goss, Kevin Clark for a reason. What's the
Speaker 2: hottest goss you're hearing in the NFL camps this offseason?
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, Oh, I have a good one. I
Speaker 4: have a good one. So a couple of gms told
Speaker 4: me that in the NIL era now that there are
Speaker 4: players who come to them because they're so conditioned from
Speaker 4: NIL that like on August thirteenth, they'll come and I go.
Speaker 4: This just isn't working. This just isn't working. I want
Speaker 4: to leave and they'll go. What there's no transfer portal here,
Speaker 4: back to come transfer portal here. You can't leave and
Speaker 4: go to South Carolina.
Speaker 2: This is the NFL, man, Yes, that is Kevin Clark.
Speaker 2: This is the NFL. This is Kevin Clark. The show
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Speaker 2: main man, Casey. Thank you for doing this.
Speaker 4: Yankee