WEBVTT - Best of The Dan Patrick Show 0:00:00.760 --> 0:00:03.600 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.640 --> 0:00:04.480 Sports Radio. 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:14.960 Hour three of the Dan Patrick Show. I'm Tony Really. 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:19.720 Ramona Shelbur, my friend and ESPN NBA insider, will be 0:00:19.760 --> 0:00:22.759 with us later on in the hour talk about the 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:28.000 bombshell news of yesterday that she broke the Los Angeles 0:00:28.080 --> 0:00:33.560 Lakers sold one year after being sold, flipped like a property. Unbelievable. 0:00:33.600 --> 0:00:36.519 Twelve and a half billion dollars in that sale. Are 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:39.239 the Lakers still the Lakers? We'll get to that, but first, 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:44.919 I'm so excited about today's guest right now. Look at 0:00:44.920 --> 0:00:48.320 this little boy on the screen right here, Sister Mary 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:49.360 Joe Sobiek. 0:00:49.440 --> 0:00:51.440 Look at this little boy on the screen right here. 0:00:51.800 --> 0:00:55.400 That is me, little Anthony, really in my first holy communion. 0:00:55.640 --> 0:00:58.520 The white suit. You know it well, you've seen it before. 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:01.440 That is who you were talking to. My name is Anthony, 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:03.720 Reality's sister. It's a pleasure to meet you. 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:07.240 God bless you. I've been watching you on around the Horn, Tony. 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:07.959 It's good to meet you. 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:10.320 Oh that you wore my heart. 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:11.959 Now I have to tell you something, to have a 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.400 confession to make. Forgive me, sister, you weren't my first 0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:19.039 request for a guest on the show. I asked for 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:22.080 the Holy Father, Pope Leo a couple of weeks ago. 0:01:22.280 --> 0:01:25.000 You were my number two. You were my number two. 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:26.600 I got his jersey. 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:30.319 You have a southside also a southside legends. So thank 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:32.440 you so much for being here. I saw your face 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.480 on the TV and on my feed, the viral sensation 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:39.840 that you are Sister Mary Joe. Once again, this is 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.560 not your first appearance on The Dan Patrick Show twenty eighteen. 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:45.720 You came here, you were at Marian Catholic School. 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:49.200 You throw it at first pitch, it's all time top 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:53.360 one or two first pitches, and you became an overnight sensation. 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:56.200 What was it like to go from oh, you're at 0:01:56.280 --> 0:01:58.680 a catechist at Mary Catholic High School, and now you're 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:01.560 a leading sports center and you're leading the Dan Patrick 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:03.160 Show on your viral sensation. 0:02:04.120 --> 0:02:07.680 Oh gosh, I remember I was on Fox News also, 0:02:07.760 --> 0:02:10.400 I had gone on to New York. You mentioned something 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:12.680 about the viral pitch, and I said, well, what I 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:14.919 hope they see more is my joy for life and 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:17.040 my love for the Gospel, because that's really what this 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:20.280 platform is about. I mean, as you have you know, 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.280 I read about you two, and being a lifelong Catholic, 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:26.520 it's like having this platform would be nothing if it 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:28.960 wasn't used to give all the glory and honor to God. 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:32.640 And so I see more athletes doing that more and more, 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:36.200 and so it's just appropriate that you know it wasn't 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:39.080 a strike or was it even near the zone? 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.880 We're talking about this. Wait in a second, sister, you 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:45.160 had me, You had me chasing. A strike is a 0:02:45.240 --> 0:02:48.520 strike if the patter's chasing and that had some lowdown 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:50.440 What are you eating on the radar gun right now? 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:51.520 Oh? I don't know. 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.040 I'll just tell you the story that I told back 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:56.320 in the day when I would I grew up near 0:02:56.440 --> 0:03:00.960 a county fair. Okay, you know the movies Sandla, Yes, 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:04.040 of course that that was my life growing up is 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:07.160 right across the street. I'm the youngest of ten the older. 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:10.440 Those were the neighborhoods when everybody had eight to ten 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:14.160 kids and everybody was playing ball all day, and the 0:03:14.200 --> 0:03:17.600 county Fair we would go and do the radar gun. Yeah, 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:19.639 and when I was a teenager, I could throw it 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:21.600 about seventy six miles an hour. 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:22.919 Yeah. 0:03:23.000 --> 0:03:23.400 Come on. 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:26.560 And this took you through college and you played into 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:29.720 your college life and then the world sees it. I mean, 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:31.440 you do the thing with the ball, which is just 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:35.800 awesome as well. So you've got game. We all know 0:03:35.920 --> 0:03:37.600 you have got game. So you got the call back 0:03:37.640 --> 0:03:41.520 this week. I thought, in a sport and a team 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:44.560 that has a history, sister, you may not be you 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:47.360 may be too young to remember this. Disco Demolition Night 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:50.520 was something in the nineteen seventies that the White Sox 0:03:50.560 --> 0:03:53.800 tried to do to in a similar way, have a 0:03:54.320 --> 0:03:57.840 fan engagement, and they had a riot because they were 0:03:57.880 --> 0:04:03.960 prety disco records. Long story short, Pope had night. What 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.280 an amazing success. What was it like to be in 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:09.600 the ballpark that day? Did it feel holy? 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:10.760 It did? 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:15.640 I mean it actually felt like a big church revival really, 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:19.719 I mean, and hopefully it was all about engaging believers 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:23.440 of all faiths, right and so now the stadium, it 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:27.640 was overwhelming. And when they when they mentioned my name 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:31.680 to to throw the pitch, it was it was I 0:04:31.800 --> 0:04:34.640 was honored. It was really overwhelming. So it was no, 0:04:34.760 --> 0:04:37.600 it felt awesome. The sign a piece that they talked about. 0:04:38.080 --> 0:04:41.200 Yes, I loved doing all that. It was. 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:43.760 It was really great, you know, I said it to 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:47.919 somebody who is not Catholic in my family though. You know, 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:52.239 the seventh dting stretch of baseball, Mass has a seventh 0:04:52.279 --> 0:04:54.960 hitting stretch in Mass It's called the Sign of Piece. 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.560 You know, that's what we did. I'd love to see 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:00.280 that be a fifty y. Do you think we got 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:01.960 any converts in the ballpark that night? 0:05:02.560 --> 0:05:04.160 I bet absolutely? 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:05.880 Uh sure? 0:05:06.680 --> 0:05:09.120 Did anything get close to sack relief? 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.120 You know, you've got a lot of people and maybe 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:12.960 there's alcohol involved in bo pats? 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:15.680 No, I mean there were people dressed in you know, 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:18.159 Bishop Garb and all that kind of stuff. But for me, 0:05:18.400 --> 0:05:21.479 and I think for you, God's presence can be seen 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:25.480 in all places, right, I mean we have eyes of faith. 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:28.200 We have eyes of faith to see it and don't 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.799 be too rigid, you know, and allow God the freedom 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:35.679 to just express God's self. No, I thought it was great. 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:38.919 I mean there were people imbibing. I was taking pictures 0:05:38.920 --> 0:05:41.440 with others and it was like, okay, you've had a 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:43.800 lot to drink. But that's okay too, I mean, you know, 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:45.039 but otherwise sacrilegion. 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:49.440 Know, if if beer were to be poured in the 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:52.240 po pat and we dragged out of the po pat 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:54.000 would that be sacrilege. 0:05:56.560 --> 0:05:56.839 Beer? 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.039 It would be a sin since they're to waste the beer. 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:03.919 I'm still very much in love with the origin story 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:09.159 here because well, mister Paul Popps, please join this conversation 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:12.080 right now. We have a connection, our Paul Pops, another 0:06:12.120 --> 0:06:13.920 resident Catholic here, We're happy to say. 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:18.600 And also Mary Catholic, Marying Katholic. I'm a marrying. 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:21.200 Catholic grad and I've known Sister Mary Joe for a while. 0:06:21.320 --> 0:06:24.520 And back in twenty eighteen it was Marying Catholic Night 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.200 at SOS Park and I was invited to attend with 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.560 all the other married Catholic people, Sister Mary Joe and 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:33.160 all the grad and they actually weirdly asked me to 0:06:33.200 --> 0:06:35.880 throw out the first pitch. And I wasn't able to 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.000 go because of a family vacation. And I got the 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:40.360 email and I was very disappointed. I was distraught it 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:42.520 had been I had a terrible pitch. I was a 0:06:42.600 --> 0:06:46.160 terrible sliding doors. I was an archer, and I emailed 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:49.160 the president of the school and Sister Mary Joe was 0:06:49.200 --> 0:06:49.680 on the email. 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:50.880 She knows Paul, I got you. 0:06:51.000 --> 0:06:52.520 I'll come out of the pen and take care of. 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:54.880 It, and I'm so glad she did because she did 0:06:54.920 --> 0:06:57.000 it so much better and so much more entertaining than 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:57.440 I would have. 0:06:57.560 --> 0:06:58.200 Wow. 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:01.080 Well, and here's an other part of the story, Paul, 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:04.279 that you might not know. When sister Mary Paul tells 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:06.640 that story, I think you were on the email with her. 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:10.440 She was the president. She was asked then to throw 0:07:10.480 --> 0:07:14.520 the pitch, and she said, I understand that maybe you 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:16.640 want to have a sister. So I didn't know that 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:20.080 you were picked, and then she was picked. So I realized, 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:21.520 now how far down in the rotation. 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:25.120 Oh, you were the closer they needed Marianna Rivera. 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:26.320 You got the door. 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:29.160 It was divine in avention, sister, because you can throw 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:29.760 and we can't. 0:07:31.280 --> 0:07:33.400 Holy smoke is what we call it. We call it 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:34.640 holy smoke. Real quick. 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:36.640 They blew a four oh lead in the game two 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:39.960 nights ago, lost five to four. How do you explain 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:41.800 that theologically, sister. 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:43.360 Well, I left the stadium. 0:07:43.600 --> 0:07:47.400 Oh that's how you explained it, Okay, I left early. 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:49.560 I left early to get out of there, just to 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:52.320 avoid some of the crowds and traffic and all of that. 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:55.280 So we joked about that too. So and others said, 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:57.080 you know, maybe that's what they get for doing the 0:07:57.080 --> 0:07:59.760 pope at But now, come on, that was just. 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:02.720 When we say our prayers. 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:06.080 When we say our prayers, does God care who wins 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:08.200 those games when we say our prayers for our teams? 0:08:08.320 --> 0:08:09.680 No? No, okay, well. 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:11.640 But we have to do the part too. 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:14.000 We have to do our part. You have done your 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:18.400 part in an amazing way. I have sisters in my life. 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:21.320 My cousin is sister the Disciples of the Lord Jesus 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:23.720 Christ in Texas. It means very much to me and 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:27.560 my family. And just being in public view and showing 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:31.360 people how you are and living the life. I think 0:08:31.360 --> 0:08:32.880 it is wonderful and I wanted to put you in 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:35.199 this place today so we could share this moment. 0:08:35.200 --> 0:08:37.040 Thank you very much, just to marriage, thank you. 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:38.840 So much for this opportunity to do that. 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:45.719 You're Mary Joe. The viral sensation just throwing heat. I 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.199 love that about you. Have a wonderful day by now. 0:08:48.840 --> 0:08:52.960 Ah man, it's it's I've always wondered. You know one 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:56.880 specific thing in that viral video of Pope Leo another 0:08:57.000 --> 0:08:57.559 south Sider. 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.240 Of course, that's why they had them look at. 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:03.480 The World Series, is at the game the cameras miraculously 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:06.120 I could say, catch him. And he looks like it's 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.160 a tough point in the game, and he's muttering under 0:09:08.200 --> 0:09:09.480 his breath, you. 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:11.040 Know, and is he is? 0:09:11.080 --> 0:09:14.160 He is he muttering something not so nice about Scott 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:14.960 put Sednick. 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:16.200 You know? 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:17.559 Is that what's happening? 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:22.199 That's my dream get for for the Real Deal podcast? 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.040 Yeah? Yeah, uh Foley, what do you got? 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.080 You also know, just to put a bow on this story, 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:28.840 there's a bit of a connection we have to the 0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:32.120 Pope Robert Provost. He is from the South Side Chicago. 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:34.319 He lived in a town called Dalton when I was little, 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:36.960 and I was little, never met him, never knew his family. 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:41.040 But the Pope's father was my grade school superintendent. So 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:44.239 in all my grade school yearbooks there's mister Provosts. 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:46.960 So are we running here? This is an show? 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:47.640 Is blessed. 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:48.760 It's never come up before. 0:09:48.800 --> 0:09:52.360 But when I was little, Brookwood Junior High School and 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:56.440 Elementary School in Glenwood, Illinois, our superintendent was mister Provost. 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.439 He would walk in with a suit, you like, he 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:00.680 puckered up because he was the ball I mean, and 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:03.559 his son coached baseball and years later became a soxs 0:10:03.600 --> 0:10:04.000 fan and. 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:07.360 So you were never met or or at least a 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:11.640 greater instructed by led by the man who raised the pope. 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:14.160 That's correct, and Dalton, Illinois. We were a few blocks 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.079 away but never met him or anything. But it was 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:17.640 a big deal for the south Side people. 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:21.640 We have these sliding doors, you know, a freaky Friday situation. 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:25.760 You wake up and Pope Leo wakes up and you 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.400 switch bodies. You wake up and sister Mary Joe and 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:32.000 you switch body. We're close. It's pretty close. That's pretty close. 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:36.400 Eight seven seven three DP showed the call. We got 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:38.720 some headlines. We want to recap the day for you guys. 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.440 It's been a wonderful day here. Thank you so much 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:43.440 for having me here in the man came, I am 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:47.720 man Cave sitting as Dan is on in a lovely 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:51.320 weekend where he will soon walk his daughter down the aisle, 0:10:51.400 --> 0:10:55.040 and we all are eagerly awaiting the update in the text. 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:56.720 We're not gonna ask him to shot video. Why would 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:58.600 we do that live in the moment, but we want 0:10:58.600 --> 0:11:01.440 the tears to fall. That's where is I'm Tony really 0:11:02.040 --> 0:11:04.480 and the dan Netts have carried me this entire show 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:07.560 when I was moving the microphone and muting myself or 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:11.120 going to dude wipe's reads too quickly. But I mean, honestly, 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.040 would you rather go to do wipes too quickly or 0:11:14.080 --> 0:11:17.080 too late? I would go to dude wipes too quickly? Right, Okay, Dylan, 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:17.840 what do you got in the poll? 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:19.600 I was gonna say I've made the mistake of too 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:22.720 late before you don't. Okay, Well there we go. All right, Dylan? 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:23.520 Where are we on the poles? 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:23.760 Though? 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:25.480 You want to throw out a new one? 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:29.559 No, I want to hear the late on al stadiums, Buffalos, 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:32.640 Hi Marks. Would you like to take a guess, I 0:11:32.640 --> 0:11:37.120 would take a guess that more fans want outdoor stadiums 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:38.560 than dome stadiums. 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:40.040 You'd be correct, Tony. 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:41.680 If you're a fan of a cold weather team, would 0:11:41.720 --> 0:11:44.520 you want her stadium open or domed? Sixty three percent 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:45.280 want it open. 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.040 PAULI the one I can never picture, and I'm a 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:50.360 Bears fan. I never pictured it in Chicago. I can 0:11:50.480 --> 0:11:52.880 never picture a top on lambeau Field. I don't think 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:54.960 it'll happen in our lifetime. I don't think they want it. 0:11:55.600 --> 0:11:57.960 They're not going to get a Super Bowl because of infrastructure, 0:11:58.040 --> 0:11:59.720 just the size. But they got the draft and they 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:03.600 didn't very well. It would be well, never see it, 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:04.120 can't see it. 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:06.400 News of the day. 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:11.640 We're tracking a very interesting kerfuffle Jade and Daniels and 0:12:11.679 --> 0:12:14.599 his alma mater and the number five. We had a 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:17.400 poll earlier the day as well. Dylan, back to work, Dylan, 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:18.440 I'm not gonna let. 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:19.000 You sleep today. 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:22.880 Chuldell us, you have given out Jade and Daniels number five, 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:26.120 Jersey and Tony. To your credit, you almost nailed this 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:29.480 ahead of time. Eighty four, he said, eighty twenty. It's 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.320 eighty two point four to seventeen point six exactly. 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:34.040 Bad luck for Jade and Daniels. 0:12:34.080 --> 0:12:39.040 The cease and desist letter elevates it to a litigious nature, 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:42.600 the likes of which fans really aren't going to ever 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:44.600 take your side doing well. 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:46.839 We don't have to break down the etymology of cease 0:12:46.880 --> 0:12:50.160 and desist, but I did. Obviously everyone knows ceased desist, 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:52.560 but is kind of the vague term of the two. 0:12:52.960 --> 0:12:53.679 I looked it up. 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:57.720 They're synonyms essentially, so it's kind of redundant, like if 0:12:57.760 --> 0:12:59.959 someone just sent you a cease Yeah, I feel like 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:01.040 that would get the point across. 0:13:01.120 --> 0:13:04.240 Yeah, just stop, I hear you loop loop points going 0:13:04.320 --> 0:13:07.040 for you the good points. Yeah, I would say it's 0:13:07.040 --> 0:13:09.680 a redundant and also means the same thing letter go ahead, Marvin. 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:12.480 Do you think this is just miscommunication, because I do 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.560 not think this is miscommunication. Aiden James was told by 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:18.480 somebody that, hey, we're never gonna have you. 0:13:18.679 --> 0:13:21.120 I think somebody's never to think. 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:24.560 This was supposedly, you know, or possibly wanted to be 0:13:24.600 --> 0:13:26.520 done behind the scenes and now it's public. But I 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:29.079 think a third rail was pressed in the relationship in 0:13:29.120 --> 0:13:33.319 some way. And hey, Jayden Daniel is allowed to feel 0:13:33.360 --> 0:13:35.600 how he wants to feel. He can believe what he 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:40.439 was told. But I think in the end, this is 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:45.600 Lane Kiffin making a decision that, by all American cornerback 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:49.400 today is more important to me right now in a 0:13:49.520 --> 0:13:54.840 transfer portal era of college football than our Heisman Trophy 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:56.840 winner from a few years ago. 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:57.800 And that's what that is. 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:02.280 Headlines, Well, we can't have a bigger headline than the 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:08.960 sale of the Los Angeles Lakers. In four days, the 0:14:08.960 --> 0:14:12.280 ownership group of one of the greatest franchises in all 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:16.240 of sports turned around out of nowhere. I'm gonna ask 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:18.520 Ramona Shelburne, who knows more about this than anybody who 0:14:18.559 --> 0:14:22.200 broke the story for ESPN, who was most surprised the 0:14:22.320 --> 0:14:27.120 League office, other owners in the league, Lakers players, fans 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:31.360 of the NBA, or maybe even Kushner and Eiger themselves, 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:34.080 the two who got the deal to go through in 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:35.920 the boy that's coming up next. 0:14:35.920 --> 0:14:36.960 On The Dan Patrick Show. 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:39.560 Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. 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But Paulie Fritzy, Marvin Dylan, 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:10.240 tell me what yesterday was like mid show when the 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.160 news crossed it. 0:17:12.119 --> 0:17:14.239 Was the guys in the back room got it. They 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:14.920 sent it to us. 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:17.280 None of us believed it because the Lakers had just 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:19.600 sold a year ago, so we like triple checked it. 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:20.679 I thought you were getting spoofed. 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.240 I thought it was a fake Ramona Shelburn account. I'm like, 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.560 I'm double checking. We follow Ramona and yeah, and I 0:17:26.600 --> 0:17:28.320 was like, that's it can't be real. 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:28.760 And it was. 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:30.920 We were nervous to put it on the air because 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:33.360 we're a big in LA and big pause there. 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:37.359 Wow, I mean that's I think surprise is the first 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:40.080 part of this story. You know what, Let's bring in 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:45.359 Ramona Shelburn ESPN Senior Insider and my dear friend, Ramona, 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.120 it's the craziest week of your year and you took 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:48.720 time for me. 0:17:48.840 --> 0:17:49.840 Thank you so much. 0:17:51.520 --> 0:17:55.680 You know you're kind of a draw, Tony. 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:57.680 You're a draw with my kids. I'm a draw with 0:17:57.720 --> 0:18:01.159 your kids. But that's our entire audience, right, MoMA, you 0:18:01.400 --> 0:18:04.880 had to feel you were being punked and spoofed as well. 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:05.840 Right when this happened. 0:18:07.080 --> 0:18:07.719 I'll tell you this. 0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:12.399 I had gone to bed the night before thinking, well, 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:13.879 I was it was one of those nights where I 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:16.520 have to sleep with my phone like right next to 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:19.960 my head, waiting for a call in the morning, right 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.760 like like literally like like I'll take my phone and 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:26.320 I'll put it like like right here, because I knew 0:18:26.359 --> 0:18:31.200 I was gonna get calls like very early in the morning. 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:34.800 And I had known the night before that something big 0:18:34.920 --> 0:18:35.840 was happening. 0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:36.679 But even I didn't believe it. 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:38.840 Like when I got the first tip, literally somebody said 0:18:38.840 --> 0:18:41.040 are you sitting down? 0:18:40.800 --> 0:18:42.440 And I was. 0:18:42.320 --> 0:18:44.320 Liked, who died? 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:45.399 What? Like I mean it was? 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:47.280 I mean, look, I'm gonna take you inside the like 0:18:47.600 --> 0:18:51.920 real reality of it. Yesterday was my second gradest, first 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:52.600 day of school. 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:54.000 We were mostly we had hosted. 0:18:54.040 --> 0:18:56.879 We were hosting some family, like I had done the 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:58.240 big dinner for everyone. 0:18:58.400 --> 0:18:59.800 You know, we were just kind of winding on. 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:04.200 Momo. It's still momo. How did you confirm it? Though? 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.400 I mean, honestly, I need to know how it can't 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:09.000 I can't get past how this came together in three days, 0:19:09.040 --> 0:19:13.040 all right. I mean I can't go shopping online in 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:15.280 three days. And this is like I went shopping online 0:19:15.320 --> 0:19:16.439 and I bought the Bollaggio. 0:19:16.800 --> 0:19:17.880 I mean, what is this? 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.199 Yeah? 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:24.760 I think it really is that. Like it's think of 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:27.159 it like you're buying a house. Okay, you you go 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:29.080 put an offer down on one house, and then all 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:31.680 of a sudden, while you're like, you know, out you're 0:19:31.680 --> 0:19:34.399 still an escrow or you know they've accepted your offer, 0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.000 but they're but you know, there's still a closing period. 0:19:37.920 --> 0:19:40.840 You're down the street, your neighbor's house comes available. You're like, oh, well, shoot, 0:19:40.880 --> 0:19:44.680 I'd much rather have that house. So the money's already 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:47.480 in order, the bank's already approved, the loans are in order. 0:19:47.520 --> 0:19:50.640 Everything's fine. And I think that's kind of what happened here, 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:56.960 which is they're buying you know, they're buying an expansion team, but. 0:19:56.880 --> 0:19:59.760 Why were they sold? Why did Walter sell? I mean, please, 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.959 you can separate back from fiction. 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:09.720 So I think that Mark uh is a savvy businessman. 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.040 I think, you know, we've we all do the math 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:15.680 because we're people. We don't have billions, okay, and we think, oh, 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:17.680 he bought for two and he sold for twelve and 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:19.760 a half. He made two and a half billion, but 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:22.280 he actually is going to make closer to four. I 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:24.520 think when this is all said and done, because you forget, 0:20:24.840 --> 0:20:28.800 he bought the first He bought the first shares of 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:32.200 the Lakers at a five billion dollar valuation, So twenty 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:35.800 six percent of his shares were a five billion dollar valuation, right, 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:40.440 so it's gonna be a that's a gigantic financial windfall. 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:43.399 And I think the back in the background of the 0:20:43.480 --> 0:20:47.840 DOJ investigation obviously plays a role here. It's it's why 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:52.639 you know, joh Krishner and Bob Aiger thought maybe we 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:55.520 should place a call shoot your shot, right Like they 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:59.320 can read headlines. They see somebody who's dealing with the 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:02.520 FEDS right now, he's dealing with an investigation, and some 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:05.240 of the sometimes when you're in the middle of investigation. 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:09.359 There's a benefit to being a little more liquid and 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:12.280 in terms of how things might need to move around. 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:15.960 So these are savage businessmen who saw somebody who's in 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:18.679 the middle of something and figured they would place a 0:21:18.680 --> 0:21:20.520 call and see if that would make sense. 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:20.960 That's it. 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:25.840 It was one call from we went from expansion Las Vegas. 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:28.760 To let's get let's get the Lakers. And it started 0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:29.800 with call three. 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:31.439 Days yeah, yeah, over the weekend. 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:35.640 And actually it was two calls because the first call 0:21:35.800 --> 0:21:38.280 Mark was like, the team's not for sale, and then 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:40.320 he thought about it a little longer and they and 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:44.480 they called him back and they offered a little bit more. 0:21:45.359 --> 0:21:46.800 It wasn't a lot more, but it was a little 0:21:46.840 --> 0:21:47.160 bit more. 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:49.480 And he had already now the seed had been planted, 0:21:50.200 --> 0:21:52.040 and he was amenable to it. 0:21:52.040 --> 0:21:54.800 And they also it was had to be literally he 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:57.119 had to give an answer in a day like this. 0:21:57.280 --> 0:21:59.120 They had needed to know because. 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:01.080 Other way they're going to go back to well, they 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:02.960 were going to go back to the expansion process. Right, 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:05.439 like you're buying one house, another in your neighbor's house comes. 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:08.440 Available, right, I have to ask you this, Ramona Bill 0:22:08.480 --> 0:22:09.440 Plashy column. 0:22:09.920 --> 0:22:12.280 Uh huh, our dear friend, too. 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:17.359 Many questions, not enough answers. Lakers sale doesn't pass smell test. 0:22:17.680 --> 0:22:18.879 What questions do you have? 0:22:21.800 --> 0:22:26.119 I want to know if the if the Dodgers are 0:22:27.000 --> 0:22:29.560 I don't think they're for sale, but I know that 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:34.600 when one billionaire calls another and he sells something unexpectedly, 0:22:35.040 --> 0:22:39.080 there's going to be more people that call, right, you know, 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:42.400 clear Like I'll put it this way, Mark Walter did 0:22:42.400 --> 0:22:45.199 not go into the weekend intending to sell the Lakers, right, 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:48.280 he didn't. And there was every you know, Brian Win, 0:22:48.320 --> 0:22:51.080 who is my colleague, he likes to say actions over words. 0:22:51.480 --> 0:22:54.360 So the actions of the Lakers this summer, the actions 0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:57.720 of the Lakers very recently, and Mark Walter's team have 0:22:57.880 --> 0:23:01.920 been been about bill something in LA, about building the 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:04.760 Lakers out, and they've been they signed people the four 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:07.880 year deals, right, they've been hiring people, they've been put 0:23:07.920 --> 0:23:11.199 dodgerizing everything. This is this is not the actions of 0:23:11.200 --> 0:23:14.240 somebody who was like looking to sell. However, there was 0:23:14.280 --> 0:23:17.720 this thing in the background that I think it was 0:23:17.760 --> 0:23:21.040 an interesting variable that and let's look, I want to 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:22.600 do the timing on this because I think it's really 0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:27.040 important This investigation has been going on since last September, 0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:30.000 before he even bought the Lakers. 0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:31.880 Okay, the Lakers. 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:35.800 There had been a purchase in place, but the sale 0:23:35.800 --> 0:23:40.199 had not been approved until October. So, like, I know, 0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:42.560 it all seems like that. You know, we all read 0:23:42.560 --> 0:23:45.879 the stories the last few months. It's something obviously he 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:49.360 and his company have been dealing with for a year essentially, 0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:52.199 But this has been going on a long time, and 0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:55.119 they had been operating as somebody who was building something 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:59.320 in La. But if somebody at one moment when he 0:23:59.600 --> 0:24:02.440 ran the math, you know, and he did the Fakers 0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:04.920 and he goes, wow, it's a pretty that's a hell 0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:08.920 of evaluation, and it's it's almost for him personally. It's 0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:12.240 about a almost four billion dollar windfall based off of 0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:13.320 what I got. 0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:16.000 That part of the money I don't get, the time lofe. 0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:19.680 I don't get so much else. What do Lakers fans 0:24:19.760 --> 0:24:22.679 need to know about the future of this team today? 0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:25.720 Cool, That's that's a really good question, ton. 0:24:27.040 --> 0:24:30.440 You know, they've been building something and doing something new, 0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:34.320 so now all of a sudden, how much of the 0:24:34.400 --> 0:24:36.320 building process is going to continue? 0:24:36.359 --> 0:24:38.720 Like it's like we just swapped contractors. 0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:40.480 I mean, I'm I'm, I'm I guess I'm big on 0:24:40.520 --> 0:24:43.200 the metaphors today, but but you know that. 0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:46.320 Okay, so they've been dodgerizing it. 0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:49.320 Andrew Friedman has been talking about Balinka and far Haan 0:24:49.440 --> 0:24:52.160 z aid. He's been in the front office as March representative, 0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:55.879 And Okay, what's what's going to happen now? What happens 0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:58.120 to they hired, you know, five or six people are 0:24:58.119 --> 0:24:59.480 pretty senior executives. 0:25:00.440 --> 0:25:01.560 What happens now? 0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:04.320 Like are Bob Iger and Josh Krishner? Are they gonna 0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:07.399 keep those people? Are they gonna hire all new people? 0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:07.720 Like? 0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:11.520 It's it's very it's very I don't know yet, and 0:25:11.840 --> 0:25:14.639 I don't think they know yet, right. I think my 0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:17.720 instinct is you don't pay twelve and a half billion 0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:21.120 dollars for a for a franchise like this and let 0:25:21.160 --> 0:25:22.200 someone else run it. 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:24.399 Right, So the question is going to run the team? 0:25:24.680 --> 0:25:30.360 It still gets back to Krishner and Eiger for you. 0:25:30.560 --> 0:25:32.840 I think so yeah, I mean, I look, Bob Iger's 0:25:33.200 --> 0:25:35.560 you know, he's he was our boss at ESPN for 0:25:35.560 --> 0:25:40.119 a long time Disney and he uh, he's got some 0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:41.040 time on his hands. 0:25:41.080 --> 0:25:42.720 I don't think he's gonna be like the GM. 0:25:42.760 --> 0:25:45.400 I think he'll be the CEO, and you'll probably hire 0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:47.840 at president and at GM and all these guys. 0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:49.480 But he's got time to do this. 0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:52.520 Josh Kushner, obviously he's a young man, he's forty one. 0:25:53.040 --> 0:25:56.399 He lives here in Los Angeles, like he's you know, 0:25:56.920 --> 0:25:58.960 clearly he has an interest in sports and it's not 0:25:59.000 --> 0:25:59.960 just an investment interest. 0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:01.960 So I think they'll be very involved. 0:26:02.000 --> 0:26:03.960 But it's gonna take a couple of months for this 0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:06.200 to maybe be approved by the by the rest of 0:26:06.240 --> 0:26:10.399 the owners. So season starts, you know, everything is business 0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:11.800 as usual for now until it's not. 0:26:12.840 --> 0:26:15.240 It's a very anything that it. 0:26:16.840 --> 0:26:20.800 Might not go through. What is what is the right there? 0:26:20.840 --> 0:26:22.959 Yeah, just to I haven't got any sense of that. 0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:25.160 I think the owners, the rest of the owners obviously 0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:28.119 have to like what they're you know, the sale price 0:26:28.200 --> 0:26:30.000 like that, that just made their property values go. 0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:32.440 Yes, right, that's the cow I wanted also, And you 0:26:32.480 --> 0:26:35.679 can only answer one. In the last twenty four hours, 0:26:35.720 --> 0:26:37.439 maybe who was reached out to you? Who do you 0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:41.200 think has told you they've been most surprised. NBA owners, 0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:45.200 NBA League office, Lakers players, Lakers fans. 0:26:48.720 --> 0:26:53.000 Ig and cushioner. I got a lot of calls. Well, 0:26:53.040 --> 0:26:55.320 I got a lot of calls. I got calls in 0:26:55.359 --> 0:26:58.560 text yesterday from a lot of ownership level people. Yeah, yeah, going, 0:26:58.840 --> 0:26:59.880 what the hell? 0:27:00.920 --> 0:27:01.159 I mean? 0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:01.439 That was. 0:27:03.040 --> 0:27:03.440 Whoa? 0:27:04.320 --> 0:27:08.600 You had one incredibly successful television series on one Los 0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:12.040 Angeles basketball team. I think it's time to get the 0:27:12.080 --> 0:27:16.119 writ and back up again for another very successful TV series. 0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:18.600 This is this has gotten made for TV written all 0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:22.760 over it. Can I ask you about Russell Westbrook, Ramona Shelberk, 0:27:23.080 --> 0:27:28.000 I believe you've covered him for a considerable amount of time, both. 0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:31.320 In NBA and college. Did you cover him in high school? 0:27:31.320 --> 0:27:32.440 Do I have this right as well? 0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:34.080 I didn't know him in high school, didn't know him 0:27:34.080 --> 0:27:34.480 in high. 0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:36.520 School, but I did. I was there his freshman year 0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:37.040 at UCLA. 0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:39.480 Did Russell Westbrook retire in his own terms? 0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:44.160 I guess like in a way he did. 0:27:45.600 --> 0:27:46.359 He. 0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:50.120 I think he had some offers and minimum level offer 0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:52.480 just again, you know, I don't know that he wanted 0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:53.840 to go play for like the worst team in the 0:27:53.920 --> 0:27:58.840 league again for a minimum in his last five six 0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:01.639 years or certainly not fitting of a Hall of Flame 0:28:01.720 --> 0:28:04.840 player of his caliber. Right, bouncing around and you know, 0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:07.320 the thing in LA didn't work out with Lebron and 0:28:07.359 --> 0:28:10.880 then he sort of bounced around to Denver. That year 0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:12.600 was actually pretty good for him in terms of sick 0:28:12.680 --> 0:28:15.320 you know, wins and losses. But the final year in 0:28:15.359 --> 0:28:17.840 Sacramento that wasn't. That was just to kind of a throwaway. 0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:20.840 But I don't I think when you look back on 0:28:20.840 --> 0:28:22.960 somebody's career, you sort of forget the ending, Like it's 0:28:23.000 --> 0:28:25.840 like the Wizard years for the for Jordan, like, I'll 0:28:25.880 --> 0:28:30.320 just remember his athleticism, his desire, his ferocity on the court, 0:28:30.440 --> 0:28:32.399 Like that's a word that comes to mind when I 0:28:32.400 --> 0:28:33.720 see him. 0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:34.720 Intensity. 0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:38.560 I remember him as this just little freshman at UCLA. 0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:42.040 He wasn't you know, he wasn't recruited, but he had 0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:43.600 so much fire in him. 0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:46.240 He just made himself into the player he was by 0:28:46.240 --> 0:28:48.880 that effort and fire that he put out every single 0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:49.920 side career. 0:28:49.720 --> 0:28:53.240 With an interesting ebb and flow though from the yeah 0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:57.880 Riple double MVP year with incredible acclaim and then there 0:28:57.960 --> 0:29:01.760 was almost a correction of appreciation for him. Did NBA 0:29:01.880 --> 0:29:05.640 fans appreciate him enough? Was there an over critical view 0:29:05.680 --> 0:29:10.040 of him when league started to look in a more 0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:12.640 efficiency base statistical lie. 0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:14.960 That I agree with you. 0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:18.400 I think I think I actually think fans appreciate Westbrook 0:29:18.440 --> 0:29:20.840 more than the what do you want to call the 0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:24.880 analytics crowd, you know, the the that that level of 0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:25.880 analysim maybe. 0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:28.320 The media too. Fans really like Westbrook. 0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:31.200 Everywhere I went, I would always I've covered him a lot. 0:29:31.240 --> 0:29:33.719 I governed him in those Oklahoma City years, in Denver 0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:37.080 obviously with the Lakers, with the Rockets. 0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:41.440 I mean, he was like a very popular. 0:29:40.960 --> 0:29:44.960 Player, and especially live and in person, but also online. 0:29:45.040 --> 0:29:50.320 Like I think fans respond to heart, right, you know, 0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:54.960 that's that's my players. I respond to heart, you know 0:29:55.080 --> 0:29:58.080 you like, just you feel that guy, Like I'll never 0:29:58.120 --> 0:29:59.920 forget when he was with the Nuggets and he came 0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:03.880 back to Oklahoma City and he just just won them 0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:06.240 a playoff game. Do you remember that game in Oakham 0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:09.040 City and the fans they gave him a standing ovation. 0:30:09.200 --> 0:30:11.440 When he's on the rival team in the middle of 0:30:11.440 --> 0:30:14.160 the playoffs and they gave a standing ovation. I was like, 0:30:14.640 --> 0:30:17.640 that is the ultimate sign of respect. And I really 0:30:17.680 --> 0:30:20.000 think it's just because he wore his heart on his 0:30:20.040 --> 0:30:21.040 sleeve for so many years. 0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:22.000 They appreciated it. 0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:24.600 Okay, one more question for you, momo, and you've been 0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:27.400 so gracious with your time and the busiest week of 0:30:27.440 --> 0:30:31.840 your year. Last time I saw you, I got party boys. 0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:34.080 I think last time I saw you was maybe the 0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:38.480 day before the redecision or a couple days, and you 0:30:38.520 --> 0:30:40.960 were prepping forward. It's a month late Lebron leaving the 0:30:41.040 --> 0:30:43.760 Lakers mutual decision or is it led by one side? 0:30:43.880 --> 0:30:44.520 In your eye? 0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:49.520 I think these seeds of that were sown last year. 0:30:50.120 --> 0:30:53.480 I think in talking to people on both sides, I 0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:57.959 think it was we all had talked ourselves into this 0:30:58.040 --> 0:31:00.360 idea that the Lakers could bring him back, because he 0:31:00.400 --> 0:31:04.120 bought into that third banana role. But I don't think 0:31:04.160 --> 0:31:07.680 he ever really wanted that. I don't think he. I 0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:09.960 think that was just something he made the best of. 0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:12.840 And also they paid it fifty two million dollars last year, 0:31:13.280 --> 0:31:16.120 so I think he just kind of you know, I 0:31:16.120 --> 0:31:18.040 think he played it out, but I don't think he 0:31:18.120 --> 0:31:21.200 was ever going to come back on those terms. 0:31:21.400 --> 0:31:22.000 In that role. 0:31:23.160 --> 0:31:27.240 Ramona Shelburne, thank you for giving us the time and 0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:30.760 the last voice that you have in your body. You 0:31:30.840 --> 0:31:34.080 are You're very gracious and wonderful. We love you, Ramona, 0:31:34.160 --> 0:31:37.959 thank you very much. That's Ramona Shelburne. Of course, ESPN's 0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:41.520 senior NBA insider. 0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:45.240 A wild story that I still don't know if I have. 0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:48.760 I mean, it's almost like, talk to me like you 0:31:48.800 --> 0:31:51.800 would a young child or a golden retriever and explain 0:31:51.880 --> 0:31:54.240 to me how the Lakers got flipped. 0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:57.080 PAULI you we were talking about this before the show. 0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:00.320 There's lots and lots of billionaires in the country. Become 0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:03.040 a famous or knighthood in our country is to own 0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:06.480 a sports team. My whole life royalty Royalty and the 0:32:06.520 --> 0:32:09.480 Bus family owned the Lakers basically our entire live and 0:32:09.560 --> 0:32:12.000 it felt like that is not something you ever give 0:32:12.080 --> 0:32:13.840 up if you can. And it was a surprise when 0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:16.560 the Bus family sold, but to flip it in one 0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:18.880 year just it feels murky. 0:32:19.080 --> 0:32:23.200 Murky's the word murk. Dylan, Yeah, I mean it. 0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:27.200 Obviously it seems like saw on an Island. It seems 0:32:27.200 --> 0:32:29.760 like a great business deal, but it also seems like 0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:33.520 someone who may have had to needed cash fast or 0:32:33.600 --> 0:32:36.920 you know, I know the investigation is about sort of 0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:39.920 undisclosed loans I think that were involved in the purchase. 0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:40.560 Of the Dodgers. 0:32:40.600 --> 0:32:42.360 So it's like, is it paying down some of those 0:32:42.400 --> 0:32:44.800 loans asapens sort of put that thing to bed or 0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:47.560 what's I don't know. It's very odd. And how did 0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:52.280 Kushner and Bob Eiger raised all? I mean, obviously one's 0:32:52.280 --> 0:32:54.400 a billionaire, one's close to it, but they didn't have 0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:56.200 sitting on twelve and a half belt. 0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:58.120 Fritzie's got his hands up. He knows had to raise 0:32:58.120 --> 0:32:58.520 some money here. 0:32:58.520 --> 0:33:00.640 But how to get a team like Lakers? The other 0:33:00.640 --> 0:33:02.640 thing that doesn't make sense. How do you not go 0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:03.960 to the highest buildy? How do you not keep this 0:33:04.240 --> 0:33:06.520 going for a while a team like the Los Angeles Lakers? 0:33:06.880 --> 0:33:08.640 As much as you got the other part of it. 0:33:08.720 --> 0:33:10.040 That's a great point, Todd. 0:33:10.120 --> 0:33:12.560 That's a bleep bleep bleep polee poop poop ding ding 0:33:12.680 --> 0:33:16.040 ding whatever. Uh yeah, that's it right. This has to 0:33:16.080 --> 0:33:17.600 happen in the next out. No, it doesn't have to 0:33:17.600 --> 0:33:19.560 happen next day. It doesn't have to happen you know, 0:33:19.960 --> 0:33:23.640 it could happen again next week, or you get Las Vegas, Marvin. 0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:26.800 And this is like selling the Yankees or the Cowboys 0:33:26.800 --> 0:33:29.760 a year after you buy them. You're selling them no disrespect. 0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:31.440 It's not like you bought the Milwaukee Bucks then you 0:33:31.520 --> 0:33:33.520 sold them a year later. You're selling one of the 0:33:33.560 --> 0:33:37.040 pre eminent franchises in all of American sports in a year. 0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:39.000 Yeah. 0:33:39.280 --> 0:33:41.600 I don't know if we're gonna get the answers to 0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:44.680 these questions this week. I know Ramona is gonna be 0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:46.160 the one digging and I trust that. 0:33:46.280 --> 0:33:48.560 So Dylan, Yeah, and I think it was gonna be 0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:51.080 in the neighborhood of ten billion for the expansion team 0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:53.600 in Vegas, which obviously has had some of its struggles 0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:56.280 of its own recently. So relatively speaking, twelve and a 0:33:56.320 --> 0:33:58.120 half for the Lakers kind of seems like a bargain 0:33:58.160 --> 0:33:58.880 in a weird way. 0:34:00.480 --> 0:34:05.000 Yeah, but we're in a zombie ownership world where we 0:34:05.040 --> 0:34:08.960 are now moving further away from Pollie's ideal, which is 0:34:09.000 --> 0:34:13.080 the family owned and in some that's pros and cons. 0:34:13.160 --> 0:34:15.280 I mean, ask Yankee fans if they're loving the family 0:34:15.360 --> 0:34:19.760 owned right now. I mean they appreciate and they wish 0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:23.240 George Steinbretter was back instead of the children. 0:34:23.360 --> 0:34:24.879 So I think the. 0:34:24.880 --> 0:34:29.640 Lakers don't exactly feel like the Lakers now. 0:34:29.520 --> 0:34:30.520 That could change. 0:34:31.080 --> 0:34:33.600 Luca has an MVP year and they start twenty and 0:34:33.680 --> 0:34:35.440 four and now it doesn't mean anything. 0:34:35.440 --> 0:34:36.239 You don't think about the. 0:34:36.160 --> 0:34:40.640 Ownership, and that's teams have won championships not thinking about 0:34:40.640 --> 0:34:43.680 the ownership. You're thinking about San Antonio's ownership. When they 0:34:43.680 --> 0:34:47.040 were going on a dynasty run, you're thinking about No, yes, Marvin, 0:34:47.120 --> 0:34:47.640 the Knicks. 0:34:47.880 --> 0:34:48.360 The Knicks. 0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:50.120 I feel like they won in spite of their owner. 0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:52.640 And I feel like they want in spite of their owner. 0:34:52.800 --> 0:34:56.320 Or they got one right, they got one just happening 0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:59.200 in a fluke ear Yeah, So that was that was 0:34:59.239 --> 0:35:01.080 a drop story. I just need to finish up on 0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:03.200 Russell Westbrook, though I was saying he was one of 0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:05.279 my favorite player, my favorite player of the last twenty years. 0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:07.960 I loved this relentlessness. Everyone loves his athleticism. 0:35:08.600 --> 0:35:11.120 The point I'm making here is you always fall in 0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:13.480 love with guys who played in an earlier era, who 0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:15.520 he thought could play great in this era. I thought 0:35:15.560 --> 0:35:17.640 he played great in this era, but I also thought 0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:23.720 his game got minimized in such a whiplash way. 0:35:23.520 --> 0:35:24.759 And it's his fault. Of course. 0:35:24.800 --> 0:35:27.560 He didn't develop a three point shot developer, but he 0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:31.640 was playing at ten, he was playing at eleven, and 0:35:32.200 --> 0:35:34.080 the shot was never gonna get there. 0:35:34.600 --> 0:35:35.680 And what made him. 0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:38.759 So good at the first stage of his career, well, 0:35:38.800 --> 0:35:43.120 when the league turned into a per efficiency spacing type league, 0:35:43.560 --> 0:35:46.319 he was the wrong player for that time. And that's 0:35:46.400 --> 0:35:49.000 why he finishes his career in a way where you know, 0:35:49.080 --> 0:35:52.480 I've heard Cartmello Anthony sayah, he's going to be out 0:35:52.480 --> 0:35:54.680 of the league. The league's just gonna have no use 0:35:54.719 --> 0:35:57.000 for him. And he played eighteen years and is going 0:35:57.040 --> 0:35:59.239 to make the Hall of Fame, and that's great. He 0:36:00.040 --> 0:36:07.880 means I have to say goodbye to my pre show rhyming. 0:36:08.520 --> 0:36:09.120 Warm up. 0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:10.920 All right, guys, you know where I'm going with this. 0:36:10.960 --> 0:36:13.160 Do you guys warm up your voice before you go 0:36:13.239 --> 0:36:16.680 on show? Clearly now, Fritzy and Limerick Dylan. 0:36:17.080 --> 0:36:20.000 I don't think I can warm this thing up, okay. 0:36:20.200 --> 0:36:22.719 Well. Russell Westbrook, Russell Westbrook. 0:36:22.760 --> 0:36:25.480 There it is is a name that is going to 0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:30.279 trip every broadcaster once, especially when you're doing play by play. 0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:32.759 Russell Westbrook, Russell Westbrook, Russell Westbrook. 0:36:32.480 --> 0:36:35.840 The wiley Russell Westbrook, the rascally Russell Westbrook. So whenever 0:36:35.880 --> 0:36:39.040 you run into a Russell Westbrook, you know you feel stupid, 0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:41.600 but you have to know it's taken down bigger broadcasters 0:36:41.600 --> 0:36:46.160 than yourself. So every every morning before I did an 0:36:46.160 --> 0:36:48.640 appearance or around the horn or PTI i said, the 0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:52.600 rascally Russell Westbrook, the rascally Russell Westbrook, the rascally Russell Westbrook, 0:36:53.040 --> 0:36:54.640 Marvin please. 0:36:55.320 --> 0:36:58.080 It was it wasn't my issue. It was getting him 0:36:58.080 --> 0:36:59.240 confused with Russell Wilson. 0:36:59.680 --> 0:37:01.560 And I would always say, right, give me the wiley 0:37:01.640 --> 0:37:03.520 Russell Wilson five times fast. 0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:08.360 I'm sorry, said that again, the wiley Russell Wilson. 0:37:09.239 --> 0:37:12.280 See, I'm not even try I can't even embarrass myself 0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:13.120 more than I already do. 0:37:13.400 --> 0:37:14.160 Mm hm, Paully. 0:37:14.320 --> 0:37:17.680 Mine was red River rivalry, and I slowed down on 0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:19.040 that one. It used to be the shootout. 0:37:19.440 --> 0:37:23.400 Yeah, red River shootout was so much easier had River rivalry. Fritzy. 0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:26.120 I think it's pretty much everything I've been made fun 0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:28.120 of many times on my list, and anything that involves 0:37:28.120 --> 0:37:30.080 an s I just I'm just destroying it where it 0:37:30.080 --> 0:37:31.120 sounds like I'm having some kind. 0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:33.520 Of silly Will you do me the honor of saying 0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:36.200 the rascally Russell Westbrook three times. 0:37:36.520 --> 0:37:41.279 Rascally Russell Westbrook, rascally Russell Westbrook, rascally Russell Westbrook outstead. 0:37:41.800 --> 0:37:43.960 I think once you get to I think three is doable. 0:37:44.080 --> 0:37:46.279 Five is when you sat at the wall. 0:37:46.480 --> 0:37:48.960 I'll take your calls eight seven seven three DP show. 0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:50.640 I know we're coming up to the back end, but 0:37:50.719 --> 0:37:53.400 I'm hanging over time with you guys. I'll call you 0:37:53.520 --> 0:37:56.799 up a call out show. We'll be back with our 0:37:57.719 --> 0:37:59.359 lot of good stuff today. Right what are we doing 0:37:59.400 --> 0:38:03.279 the player that day, sports history, sports history, We're gonna 0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:05.359 do it all. What we learned, what we learned, We're 0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:08.000 gonna learn something right now when we come back on 0:38:08.040 --> 0:38:08.919 The Dan Patrick Show. 0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:12.000 Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be 0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:14.880 sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine to 0:38:14.960 --> 0:38:18.240 noon Eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:21.400 Find your local station for The Danpatrick Show at foxsports 0:38:21.480 --> 0:38:24.279 Radio dot com, or stream us live every day on 0:38:24.320 --> 0:38:29.560 the iHeartRadio app by searching FSR. Thanks for listening to 0:38:29.600 --> 0:38:32.120 The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be sure to catch us 0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:35.000 live every weekday morning nine until noon eastern six to 0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:37.919 nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, and you can find 0:38:37.960 --> 0:38:41.759 us on the iHeartRadio app at FSR or stream us 0:38:41.800 --> 0:38:44.799 live every day at YouTube dot com. Slash the Dan 0:38:44.920 --> 0:38:45.600 Patrick Show. 0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:49.680 Now I've learned. 0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:53.320 I've been muting myself because I walk away from the microphone. 0:38:53.320 --> 0:38:57.200 So finally something ESPN could never do. Now I'm being muted. 0:38:57.280 --> 0:39:00.239 Well done, Dan Nettes. Let's stay in front one of 0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:02.759 the microphone reality please. 0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:07.759 Okay, look at this. My friend Kevin Clark is with us. 0:39:08.000 --> 0:39:11.080 I've waited for this for so long, Kevin Clark, this 0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:11.880 is football. 0:39:11.880 --> 0:39:12.600 O maha. 0:39:13.080 --> 0:39:17.719 Of course, ESPN my main man who took his son 0:39:17.800 --> 0:39:21.320 Teddy to the Yankee game last night, and he's walking 0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:23.160 around with a jersey that said legend. 0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:26.560 I love that, and not only that, it had Mickey 0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:28.719 Mouse on the front. As a proud Disney employee, we 0:39:28.760 --> 0:39:30.839 had to we had to shout out them. But no, no, 0:39:30.920 --> 0:39:33.520 I I it was Uh. He's obsessed with the Yankees. 0:39:33.560 --> 0:39:35.960 As you know, I do have one. I have one. 0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:38.760 I have one dad question for you. Okay, Yankee Stada 0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:41.520 not to not to hijack this. So last night we 0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:43.720 go to the playground on the third or fourth level 0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:48.040 and as we're there, a moonshot goes high into the 0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:50.399 air and he sees it because we're level with it, 0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:54.120 and it goes over his head and he's mesmerized, Okay, mesmerized, 0:39:54.160 --> 0:39:56.600 like this is a foundational moment in his life, seeing 0:39:56.600 --> 0:39:59.160 a major league baseball go high in the air over 0:39:59.200 --> 0:40:01.640 his head. Probably it felt like it was close enough 0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:03.800 to grab, and obviously it wasn't. Maybe fifty feet okay. 0:40:04.120 --> 0:40:09.480 Juli Ardriguez hit Okay, goes into the the right field 0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:13.120 bleachers and he's mesmerized. On the way home, he goes, Daddy, 0:40:13.160 --> 0:40:19.279 which Yankee hit that ball? And I had to say, so, 0:40:19.360 --> 0:40:22.680 I said, Son, that was Spencer Jones. And now he's 0:40:22.719 --> 0:40:26.839 going for telling mom, Spencer Jones hit a home run 0:40:26.880 --> 0:40:29.920 that went right by my head. And and it was 0:40:30.000 --> 0:40:32.839 this ethical of me. And now my feeling is he's 0:40:32.880 --> 0:40:35.640 obsessed with the Yankees. He's gonna have this forever. Maybe 0:40:35.640 --> 0:40:37.879 he'll fact check it in thirty years. I don't know. 0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:39.200 Was this an ethical? 0:40:39.280 --> 0:40:44.680 Dad, Well, you only find out when he applies for colleges. 0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:49.399 I love Taddy, loves seeing him out there. 0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:53.439 We have a story today, Kevin that I just need 0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:55.480 to get your take on before we get to everything 0:40:55.520 --> 0:40:58.480 You've done, all the great conversations you've had with the 0:40:58.520 --> 0:41:03.120 Bills at Bill's camp and Lions Jade and Daniels cease 0:41:03.200 --> 0:41:05.560 and desist. Have you ever been served a season desist letter? 0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:07.799 By the by the way, not yeah, but the day 0:41:07.840 --> 0:41:08.200 is young. 0:41:08.320 --> 0:41:11.319 It's possible your wife has a bullet surprise winner. Yeah, 0:41:11.360 --> 0:41:15.000 I am now obligated to say, I am proud to say. 0:41:16.000 --> 0:41:17.879 I don't think she's gotten. She's got. She gets lots 0:41:17.880 --> 0:41:20.759 of scary lawyer letters, but nothing, nothing arises to a 0:41:20.840 --> 0:41:21.239 level of. 0:41:21.200 --> 0:41:27.640 This from Jade and Daniels attorneys to LSU saying number five, Nope, nope, nope, 0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:28.960 you can't give that away. 0:41:29.120 --> 0:41:30.680 You can't let someone else wear that. 0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:35.480 And I am thinking of you, my friend, the Miami 0:41:35.680 --> 0:41:40.879 Hurricane eACT. You are a Hurricane EAC. And let's think 0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:47.200 Ray Lewis, ed Reez mm HM, Benny Tested, Bertie, Bertie Cozar. 0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:51.360 George Meyra, number ten. Okay, listen, a lot of numbers 0:41:51.360 --> 0:41:54.400 you wouldn't think are because it's you know, they played 0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:57.120 football for like seventy years before they got good basically. 0:41:57.400 --> 0:41:59.880 But a lot of great numbers, a lot of greats. 0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:03.200 So I think there's a lot to this story. I 0:42:03.200 --> 0:42:07.080 think it's a perfect August thirteenth story. Thank you lawyers 0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:11.239 for dropping this. I saw a couple. Hey, shouldn't it 0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:13.279 be worried about training camp. He's worried about training camp. 0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:15.719 His lawyer is worried about us and getting through this 0:42:15.840 --> 0:42:18.320 content week. So I appreciate you, Jade and Daniels lawyer. 0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:21.719 So they're trying to say, now, if you see the 0:42:21.800 --> 0:42:23.960 last couple hours, oh no, this is unrelated. We just 0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:26.000 don't want them using the nil Okay, we don't using 0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:29.160 the name management image you likeness, but we know timeline wise, 0:42:29.480 --> 0:42:33.600 it was a reaction to dj Pickett, who was a 0:42:33.640 --> 0:42:36.160 five star out of Tampa last year, who, by the way, 0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:39.239 is the Studs SI's four cornerbacks in NFL very soon, 0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:42.239 a very very good player. So Brian Kelly promised the 0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:45.879 number five. Jane Daniel gets upset about that. I understand 0:42:46.000 --> 0:42:48.759 that part, But now people I think are I saw 0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:51.239 a bunch of LSU fans diminishing with Jane Daniels a couple. 0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:53.000 She won the Heisman Trophy. He had one of the 0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:55.759 most explosive play rates of anybody in the history of 0:42:55.800 --> 0:42:58.919 college football. I know Joe Burrow retired as their left 0:42:58.920 --> 0:43:01.560 college having the most touched on passes in history. He 0:43:01.600 --> 0:43:03.560 has that record till Billy Zappy has it gets it 0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:06.680 two years later. But Jayden Daniels put up almost just 0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:09.479 as good numbers. Okay, he doesn't win NAT Championship because 0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:11.279 the defense was off on. Brian Kelly was the worst 0:43:11.280 --> 0:43:14.360 coach at Ozeon in Baton Rouge in Baton Rouge. Okay, 0:43:14.840 --> 0:43:17.799 but I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna broaden this, Tony. Yeah, 0:43:17.880 --> 0:43:21.880 you mentioned Miami. We can't be retiring college numbers. We 0:43:21.880 --> 0:43:24.520 can't do it. There's too many plays. The house settlement 0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:27.240 just went to one hundred and five players. Okay. 0:43:27.280 --> 0:43:29.920 On scholarship we got two number twelve players. Two number 0:43:29.960 --> 0:43:31.879 thirty six is we don't even know who's on the field. 0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:34.319 We're lucky, We're lucky. If we have two to a number, 0:43:34.400 --> 0:43:36.440 we have to be throwing three off our special teams. 0:43:36.480 --> 0:43:38.040 I think I think I hear you on that. 0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:40.920 But if someone were to come in, even if his 0:43:41.000 --> 0:43:42.920 name were Teddy Clark and say you know what I 0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:45.680 want Ray Lewis's number in Miami, I think I think 0:43:45.719 --> 0:43:47.319 I'm the guy to take that number. 0:43:48.160 --> 0:43:51.800 Yeah. So they this is this is they faced this issue. 0:43:52.160 --> 0:43:56.760 They reissue jersey numbers that have been retired or honored 0:43:56.760 --> 0:43:58.600 wherever you want to call it. Yeah, and this is 0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:01.080 what you should do. They put up patch. They put 0:44:01.080 --> 0:44:03.279 a patch there that says Ray Lewis. 0:44:03.000 --> 0:44:07.240 Solve this already, the branch already. 0:44:07.480 --> 0:44:10.640 So what DJ Pickett has to do? This fall easiest 0:44:10.640 --> 0:44:12.480 thing in the world. It's got a little patch on 0:44:12.480 --> 0:44:15.560 his right shoulder that says Jaden Daniels with a Heisman 0:44:15.600 --> 0:44:16.200 trophy logo. 0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:18.200 Here we go, des oriented Kevin and. 0:44:18.200 --> 0:44:21.920 Then DJ on TV all the time, every time they 0:44:21.920 --> 0:44:23.719 show him from honoring James's. 0:44:23.480 --> 0:44:26.480 Solutions oriented Kevin Clark. This is why thirty one percent 0:44:26.600 --> 0:44:30.120 win percentage on Around the Horn. Second in show history, 0:44:30.880 --> 0:44:32.960 Jalen Hurts. You got to explain this to me because 0:44:32.960 --> 0:44:36.400 just two days ago, I'm watching Kevin Clark makes some 0:44:36.440 --> 0:44:39.560 great television on first take defending Jalen Hurts and saying, 0:44:39.560 --> 0:44:42.040 I don't know why he gets criticism that others don't. 0:44:42.120 --> 0:44:43.360 He won a Super Bowl. 0:44:43.560 --> 0:44:46.920 And now we have social media of the team posting 0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:49.800 a video and it's not just a video. 0:44:50.320 --> 0:44:53.160 Let me get my take out here. First, this was cinematic. 0:44:53.360 --> 0:44:57.640 This was score sazy, the deep focus on Jalen Hurts 0:44:57.680 --> 0:45:02.440 to start the video. In Beauty a full sunlit sunflair 0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:05.160 like jj Abrams took him by two direct I don't 0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:07.600 know what I'm doing. And then the interception, and now 0:45:07.600 --> 0:45:11.239 we're seeing interception and they're celebrating Hugh Mitchell's interception, but 0:45:11.800 --> 0:45:13.359 everyone's focused on Jalen Hurts. 0:45:13.400 --> 0:45:14.279 What is happening here? 0:45:16.280 --> 0:45:18.719 There were a lot of examples Tony in the last 0:45:18.760 --> 0:45:21.439 twenty four hours of teams that cut out who threw 0:45:21.760 --> 0:45:26.360 the pass on a social media interception. I look at 0:45:26.400 --> 0:45:31.920 it differently. I think the Eagles fans, no Eagles Eagles 0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:35.200 fans and whatever media. I think that Jalen Hurts is 0:45:35.200 --> 0:45:37.399 the guy. No one's trying to bench him, no one's 0:45:37.400 --> 0:45:38.960 trying to run out of town. I don't think his 0:45:39.080 --> 0:45:41.040 confidence is gonna get shot because queeny On Mitchell is 0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:43.960 one of the best cornerbacks in football. Interception. I just 0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:45.600 don't think it's that big a deal. I don't think. 0:45:45.600 --> 0:45:48.360 I think if you're in Cleveland, Tony and it's Shuldar 0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:50.839 Sanders and you're trying to pump him up and you're 0:45:50.840 --> 0:45:54.080 trying to have his confidence go or whomever Dylan Gabriel 0:45:54.080 --> 0:45:56.560 in Cleveland, because you're in a competition, that's one thing. 0:45:57.200 --> 0:45:59.880 No one's taking Jalen Hurts's job. Tanner McKee's not not 0:46:00.120 --> 0:46:00.919 taking Jalen. 0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:04.480 The only doesn't play here, Kevin. I know it's not 0:46:04.600 --> 0:46:06.880 a big deal unless the fans think it's a big deal. 0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:08.800 Let me let me this is my own I'm positing 0:46:08.840 --> 0:46:11.360 a theory here, the master take maker. 0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:15.560 You remember the doomsday clock. 0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:18.840 H This was the thing, a big thing course in 0:46:18.880 --> 0:46:21.080 our age in school and it was Cold War or 0:46:21.120 --> 0:46:23.840 whatever it was. We solved the ozone layer and you 0:46:23.920 --> 0:46:25.440 find out the doomsday clock. 0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:26.120 I remember this. 0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:28.080 We solved the ozone layer in the nineties or whatever, 0:46:28.280 --> 0:46:31.240 and I was told the doomsday clock was much better. 0:46:31.440 --> 0:46:33.880 It moved to eleven fifty seven. 0:46:34.080 --> 0:46:35.680 Yeah, it was like fifty seven. 0:46:35.920 --> 0:46:38.160 That doesn't sound better, and it should be like six thirty, 0:46:38.520 --> 0:46:38.680 you know. 0:46:38.800 --> 0:46:42.680 I mean, Jalen hursh just won a Super Bowl one 0:46:42.719 --> 0:46:45.640 and a half seasons ago. Why does it feel like 0:46:45.680 --> 0:46:48.760 in Philadelphia there's a doomsday clock on him that's always 0:46:48.760 --> 0:46:50.960 at eleven fifty seven. Maybe not that he's gonna take 0:46:50.960 --> 0:46:53.879 his job, but that he's not good. The doomsday clock 0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:56.800 should be at six thirty am for Jalen Hurts. 0:46:57.480 --> 0:47:00.880 He gets punished for having good players around to him 0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:03.840 in a way that I'm not sure I've seen with 0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:07.600 modern quarterback play. I don't know, Mahomes is a lot 0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:10.600 better than Jalen Hurts. Okay, that's just the way it goes. 0:47:10.960 --> 0:47:14.120 But no one is saying, hey, when Mahomes came into 0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:16.440 the league, he had Tyreek Keley had Prime Travis Kelsey, 0:47:16.480 --> 0:47:18.960 he had the All pros in the offensive line. We 0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:21.480 had Cream Hunt in the backfield, did Andy Reid? He 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:26.080 had advantages. And the only person it's driving me nuts, 0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:29.800 the only person who gets criticized for having advantages is 0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:32.839 Jalen Hurts. We just talked about with Jayden Daniels. Jadan 0:47:32.920 --> 0:47:37.200 Daniels had basically no advantages at LSU, bad coach, bad defense. 0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:41.600 You know, good skill guys, but not you know, not 0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:46.560 Jamar Chason and Justin Jefferson, like Joe Brow did. The 0:47:46.640 --> 0:47:49.480 discourse around Jalen Hurts has gotten so toxic and annoying 0:47:50.000 --> 0:47:54.040 that I have felt the need to become a Jalen 0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:58.759 Hurts defender. And even now everybody's shortening the Eagles. Look 0:47:58.800 --> 0:48:01.319 at that roster. When I went around Tony to my 0:48:01.360 --> 0:48:04.479 training camp tours, I'd go to places like Buffalo and say, hey, guys, 0:48:04.560 --> 0:48:06.879 who's the second best player on this team after Josh Allen? 0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:09.600 And they go, oh, Dean Dawkins kind of added off year. 0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:13.840 Maybe it's Spencer Brown. There are maybe six or seven 0:48:13.920 --> 0:48:18.360 guys who credibly on the Eagles would be the second 0:48:18.360 --> 0:48:20.279 best player, and a lot of contenders, A lot of 0:48:20.280 --> 0:48:22.680 you mentioned Quinnion Mitchell, Quinna Mitch will be the second 0:48:22.680 --> 0:48:24.400 best player, and a lot of teams that we're trying 0:48:24.400 --> 0:48:26.680 to get into the Super Bowl picture, and he's not 0:48:26.760 --> 0:48:29.760 the second best player on the Eagles. So it's driving 0:48:29.880 --> 0:48:34.320 me nuts that media and fans not only want a 0:48:34.360 --> 0:48:36.160 short Jaalen hurts, they want to get they want to 0:48:36.160 --> 0:48:39.239 move the Eagles out of the quarterback one the Super Well. 0:48:39.760 --> 0:48:42.600 You off the toxicity, then let's get to the puncuctivity here. 0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:46.560 You just reference the Bills. You talk to Joe Brady, 0:48:46.800 --> 0:48:49.560 and you talk to Josh Allen. Josh Allen told you 0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:51.360 you keep on knocking on that door, the door is 0:48:51.400 --> 0:48:54.640 going to open up. Is patients the right mindset for 0:48:54.760 --> 0:48:56.839 Josh Allen in year nine? 0:48:57.840 --> 0:49:03.080 Yes, it's a dangerous us a habit to get into 0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:06.280 to say, okay, what's gonna happen? But it will happen 0:49:06.280 --> 0:49:09.920 with John. I got a question on tvesterday which quarterback 0:49:10.000 --> 0:49:13.080 Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen do you do you 0:49:13.080 --> 0:49:15.520 think will win a Super Bowl? All three will win 0:49:15.560 --> 0:49:17.800 a Super Bowl. I actually think Joe Burrow is probably 0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:20.720 the three mostion line this year because of the defensive 0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:22.880 moves of the Bengals made. But I think Josh Allen's 0:49:22.880 --> 0:49:24.560 gonna win a ring. I think he's gonna win a Buffalo. 0:49:25.280 --> 0:49:29.120 I just think that panic is the wrong way to 0:49:29.160 --> 0:49:31.480 go about it, right, Changing everything is the wrong way 0:49:31.520 --> 0:49:32.919 to go about it. When you look at Baltimore League 0:49:32.920 --> 0:49:35.080 a Buffalo. One thing they did was, hey, guess what 0:49:35.160 --> 0:49:37.720 on the offense side of the ball, quarterback, We're good. 0:49:37.960 --> 0:49:40.240 We're not gonna freak out. We're not gonna do wholesale changes. 0:49:40.280 --> 0:49:42.759 You're gonna bringing Joe Brady, who's done the schemes for 0:49:42.840 --> 0:49:44.880 Josh Allen for two years now, and you're gonna Ben 0:49:44.960 --> 0:49:47.479 jesse Mentor in Baltimore to fix up that defense because 0:49:47.520 --> 0:49:50.040 Lamar Jackson's gonna handle things in the offense. Panic is 0:49:50.080 --> 0:49:53.360 a bad thing. I don't remember a time Tony Reality 0:49:53.760 --> 0:49:58.080 where football panic led to anything good. So Josh Allen saying, hey, 0:49:58.360 --> 0:50:00.400 we were a couple of plays away against Den. They 0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:01.799 would have made the Super Bowl. They could have They 0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:03.919 probably could have competed with the Seahawks had they played. 0:50:03.920 --> 0:50:06.560 It wouldn't have been like they wouldn't have gotten the 0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:08.560 spam Bletz hit the Seahawks ran over and over and 0:50:08.560 --> 0:50:11.879 over again. So the whole thing hinders on a couple 0:50:11.880 --> 0:50:16.239 different plays. You don't panic. I remember Jim Harbaugh talked 0:50:16.280 --> 0:50:19.359 about Sissyphis right, rolling the rock up the hill. Yeah, 0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:21.719 rolling in the rock up the hill every single time. 0:50:22.120 --> 0:50:25.000 That's what you gotta do. And it stinks. It stinks, 0:50:25.400 --> 0:50:26.680 but that's what you gotta do. 0:50:26.840 --> 0:50:29.719 Somebody to protect the rock from hitting Justin Herbert every 0:50:29.760 --> 0:50:32.239 now and then. That's what he needs to be focusing on. Right, 0:50:32.320 --> 0:50:36.000 too many bits for Justin? So you've been too many camps? 0:50:36.000 --> 0:50:36.319 Is off? 0:50:36.400 --> 0:50:36.600 Yeah? 0:50:37.000 --> 0:50:37.239 Right? 0:50:38.440 --> 0:50:44.480 Do you sense a different feeling in different camps and intensity? 0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:46.560 I mean this. 0:50:46.440 --> 0:50:48.840 Team is flat right now and they need to really 0:50:49.120 --> 0:50:52.080 ship up or shape out type feeling I know who 0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:54.160 yeah specifically yeah. 0:50:54.160 --> 0:50:56.560 Okay, So when I used to do a camp tour 0:50:56.640 --> 0:50:59.360 that was twenty teams in twenty one days. Now I 0:50:59.400 --> 0:51:03.000 do ten teams in like fourteen days. And the difference 0:51:03.040 --> 0:51:05.800 is now I almost only go to good teams, and 0:51:05.840 --> 0:51:07.640 when I went to a bad team, the teams that 0:51:07.680 --> 0:51:10.120 were going to be bad Tony, I got exactly what 0:51:10.160 --> 0:51:12.520 you were describing. And it was always you'd always have 0:51:12.600 --> 0:51:15.480 this in Cleveland, not not now, but in the past, 0:51:15.640 --> 0:51:17.759 where it's like, you know, people come up to you 0:51:18.560 --> 0:51:20.719 the big thing, whether it was in Cleveland or some 0:51:20.800 --> 0:51:22.760 of these old, these old older you know, the Jets, 0:51:22.960 --> 0:51:25.279 whether it was the you know, there were a couple 0:51:25.320 --> 0:51:27.600 other franchises that have always been stuck in the mud, 0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:30.560 and you'd go to these places in August tenth reality 0:51:31.000 --> 0:51:33.239 and there'd be people trying to distance themselves from what 0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:35.360 was about to happen. They'd go, I don't know. 0:51:38.000 --> 0:51:41.520 In this soft season, it was he for now. 0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:46.640 I only went to Lyons brown Bill's Packers. So the 0:51:46.640 --> 0:51:50.720 Browns were the team that were probably not in playoff contention, 0:51:51.000 --> 0:51:55.719 but I felt like Todd Munkin is the right guy 0:51:55.760 --> 0:51:58.160 for that situation. So I really didn't go to a 0:51:58.160 --> 0:52:00.799 team where I was like, oh, I don't now I 0:52:00.880 --> 0:52:02.279 used to do that. When I used to do every 0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:05.600 team doesn't really happen anymore. You know, I didn't go. 0:52:05.760 --> 0:52:08.560 One thing is I didn't go to Pittsburgh, and part 0:52:08.560 --> 0:52:11.720 of it, Tony Is was timing and all that stuff. 0:52:11.760 --> 0:52:14.560 But I just don't see much going on in Pittsburgh. 0:52:14.719 --> 0:52:18.320 I don't see a happy ending there. I don't see 0:52:19.080 --> 0:52:22.080 you know, I fell at the hire with Mike McCarthy 0:52:22.160 --> 0:52:24.800 was a little bit weird reality when he's talked about 0:52:24.920 --> 0:52:28.920 having three coaches since nineteen sixty nine and everyone fitting 0:52:28.960 --> 0:52:33.040 the same profile. Right, young coordinator, let's go football, mind, 0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:36.120 Let's have twenty years with this guy, and we'll just 0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:38.040 set our clock and we'll see you in twenty years. 0:52:38.080 --> 0:52:41.080 One time they make a new higher. Mike McCarthy to me, 0:52:41.360 --> 0:52:43.879 feels like a stop gap, win now type of guy 0:52:43.920 --> 0:52:46.440 to maximize the window they have right now. The Steelers, 0:52:46.440 --> 0:52:49.680 to me, have never made decisions like that. That was 0:52:49.719 --> 0:52:51.759 what gave me Paula's on the whole thing. I think 0:52:51.760 --> 0:52:53.640 I had a lot of people Steeer fans been mad 0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:55.759 at me for tom about Aaron Rodgers and how sure 0:52:55.840 --> 0:52:57.719 he was throwing last year and how quick he was throwing. 0:52:57.760 --> 0:52:58.640 He can't move anymore. 0:52:58.640 --> 0:53:00.319 It's about to be shorter, It's about to be quick 0:53:00.560 --> 0:53:01.120 to be quicker. 0:53:01.200 --> 0:53:03.719 Exactly. He can't move anymore. He listen. He still has 0:53:03.760 --> 0:53:06.839 the vision that doesn't really go away. Although not I'm 0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:08.600 about to enter my forties, gonna be maybe my vision 0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:10.200 start to go. But he still got the vision. He 0:53:10.280 --> 0:53:14.120 just can't move and and so that that that's my concern. 0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:16.799 People are saying, oh, he didn't have enough targets the 0:53:16.880 --> 0:53:19.960 skill guys. Last year Arthur Smith was was uh, you know, 0:53:20.400 --> 0:53:22.839 giving him bad plays. Guys. I promise you if Aaron 0:53:22.880 --> 0:53:23.600 Rodgers could have. 0:53:23.760 --> 0:53:27.000 All right, you're you're allowed and clear. 0:53:27.760 --> 0:53:29.759 Yeah, it's just it's it drives me. 0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:31.919 He can't move. I'm gonna ask you to move now. 0:53:31.960 --> 0:53:34.719 This is a rapid fire New Bill Stadium official Kevin 0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:36.399 Clark review giving it high mark. 0:53:38.320 --> 0:53:41.319 Oh I like that, Yeah, I got it, got it. 0:53:42.440 --> 0:53:44.359 Outdoor football is good good. 0:53:44.400 --> 0:53:48.440 I don't know reality why everybody decided that everything has 0:53:48.480 --> 0:53:50.640 to like Sofi Stadium so it canna have a Final four? 0:53:50.840 --> 0:53:53.240 And you know what Buffalo did that. I like, they said, 0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:55.239 we don't want we're not going to get a final four. 0:53:55.360 --> 0:53:57.640 We're not going to get a super to give a 0:53:57.680 --> 0:53:58.959 stadium for our fance. 0:53:59.239 --> 0:54:01.000 And and if you're at. 0:54:00.800 --> 0:54:03.359 The stadium, looking for the biggest screen you could watch. 0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:06.960 You've already got another problem. Watched the game cold Water. 0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:10.359 Clark dump Cold Water on a team right now that 0:54:10.480 --> 0:54:12.080 people think are higher than you think. 0:54:13.960 --> 0:54:16.359 I still want to see more from the Jaguars. I 0:54:16.400 --> 0:54:17.960 still want to see more from the Jaguars, who have 0:54:18.040 --> 0:54:20.120 a lot of buzz going into the season. I loved 0:54:20.120 --> 0:54:23.640 what Liam con did last year treating Trevor Lawrence, giving 0:54:23.680 --> 0:54:25.840 Trevor Lawrence a Baker Mayfield scheme where he's using. 0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:28.080 His legs a little bit more. 0:54:27.920 --> 0:54:31.360 Tons of confidence, but it was eight game sample size. 0:54:31.600 --> 0:54:33.560 Lawrence didn't take care of the ball and playoffs didn't 0:54:33.560 --> 0:54:34.600 take care of the ball in the early part of 0:54:34.600 --> 0:54:36.960 the season. I just want to see a little bit 0:54:37.000 --> 0:54:38.040 more vast one. 0:54:38.120 --> 0:54:41.600 You're hot goss, Kevin Clark for a reason. What's the 0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:45.880 hottest goss you're hearing in the NFL camps this offseason? 0:54:46.440 --> 0:54:49.680 Oh my gosh, Oh, I have a good one. I 0:54:49.719 --> 0:54:53.160 have a good one. So a couple of gms told 0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:56.239 me that in the NIL era now that there are 0:54:56.320 --> 0:54:59.080 players who come to them because they're so conditioned from 0:54:59.160 --> 0:55:02.319 NIL that like on August thirteenth, they'll come and I go. 0:55:03.080 --> 0:55:06.440 This just isn't working. This just isn't working. I want 0:55:06.440 --> 0:55:10.000 to leave and they'll go. What there's no transfer portal here, 0:55:10.120 --> 0:55:14.360 back to come transfer portal here. You can't leave and 0:55:14.440 --> 0:55:15.640 go to South Carolina. 0:55:15.719 --> 0:55:19.640 This is the NFL, man, Yes, that is Kevin Clark. 0:55:19.719 --> 0:55:22.600 This is the NFL. This is Kevin Clark. The show 0:55:22.719 --> 0:55:26.400 is This is football Omaha and ESP and you're my 0:55:26.480 --> 0:55:28.399 main man, Casey. Thank you for doing this. 0:55:29.080 --> 0:55:29.360 Yankee