Speaker 1: Hello everyone, It's Devin Simone and I'm Devon Rogers and
Speaker 1: this is EMTV's official Challenge podcast, Who.
Speaker 2: And this is the final?
Speaker 3: This is it?
Speaker 2: I know what. I can't believe it. I cannot believe it,
Speaker 2: you know what, not the challenge getting me all up
Speaker 2: in my feelings. Ugain when they did the group.
Speaker 1: Hug and like, you know what it in that moment,
Speaker 1: I love them.
Speaker 4: So beautiful and them all standing there together, the final
Speaker 4: five all got across and all completed.
Speaker 2: It, and they were cheering each other on. We love
Speaker 2: to see it.
Speaker 1: Despite all the fighting and everything else, it really was
Speaker 1: a beautiful moment. And shout out to Emanuel Just. I mean,
Speaker 1: there was nothing stopping. I feel like this man just
Speaker 1: moon walked to the finish line. And then Nourice, our
Speaker 1: little injel Maidhood who was fighting that whole time, came
Speaker 1: in second place.
Speaker 2: Just I'm so I'm proud of her too.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, I'm so proud of her. But it
Speaker 3: was a great it.
Speaker 4: It has been a phenomenal season and this has been
Speaker 4: a phenomenal episode. I would like to get into.
Speaker 3: A little Berna shade.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna shave Berner but Berna did shade Mariah
Speaker 4: when Mariah and Therese are in this elimination, did you
Speaker 4: catch Berna state I would like for Mariah to come back,
Speaker 4: because you know, Narie's great at puzzles and from Theresa's
Speaker 4: great at this and great at that, and I would
Speaker 4: like somebody who actually isn't great at things.
Speaker 1: And I was like, wait a minute, Berna just stays
Speaker 1: out of pocket with the things that she says sometimes,
Speaker 1: and she cracks me up. I actually really wanted to
Speaker 1: shout out Mariah and how she handled the lost to nourice.
Speaker 1: I thought she did it with such grace and she'd
Speaker 1: have a beautiful season, yes, and it was great seeing
Speaker 1: her kind of come into her own.
Speaker 2: And yeah, like just shout out to Mariah.
Speaker 1: And how she handled that all. I thought that was
Speaker 1: really lovely. It was sad to see your go, but
Speaker 1: like it was lovely to see I.
Speaker 4: Feel like ready to go. Mentally, I feel like she
Speaker 4: was like, man, this is.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe, but I feel like when you make
Speaker 1: it that far though, it's like because again, that's like
Speaker 1: so much of it.
Speaker 2: But maybe maybe when.
Speaker 4: I'm saying she was at a point where it was
Speaker 4: like if I witness thing amazing. But if I don't
Speaker 4: like it's not a big deal.
Speaker 2: I think she's like, I got a spot appointment.
Speaker 3: It's been real, y'all. That was her mindset. But she did.
Speaker 3: She had a really, really, really really great season. Yeah, Emanuel,
Speaker 3: the champs Champ Champ.
Speaker 1: It is wild to me how much Jay targeted everybody else.
Speaker 2: But Manuel.
Speaker 1: Now granted that wouldn't have necessarily changed the outcome because
Speaker 1: Corey was the one who selected him last episode to
Speaker 1: go into the elimination, but it's still just wild because
Speaker 1: Manuel made this look easy, like weirdly easy, not and
Speaker 1: I know that it wasn't, but right like, he just
Speaker 1: had a calm cool when they were doing the different checkpoints,
Speaker 1: when they were paired up.
Speaker 3: As teams, like he just he dominated.
Speaker 2: Was coasting.
Speaker 1: And then in the last part of the final when
Speaker 1: they do all the different checkpoints, to believe it was
Speaker 1: what the three checkpoints, and one of them consisted of
Speaker 1: the five different games, he just coasted, which.
Speaker 4: Is I mean even when in the beginning he couldn't
Speaker 4: really get the saduku is it sadoko orku sudoku that
Speaker 4: game right there, said he couldn't get it in the beginning, right,
Speaker 4: and so he was like, you know what, I'm just
Speaker 4: gonna go round. I'm gonna finish the rest of these
Speaker 4: and then I'm gonna come back. Other people probably would
Speaker 4: have just sat there and like, I'm gonna stay here
Speaker 4: until I figure it out. So for him to go
Speaker 4: and say, you know what, I'm not gonna let this
Speaker 4: stress me out. Listen, not today, say you will not
Speaker 4: get me today. I'm gonna go and I'm gonna finish
Speaker 4: the rest of these and then I'm gonna come back.
Speaker 4: Like he just was so calm, and I never was
Speaker 4: heard him complain about anything.
Speaker 3: I never heard anything like Berna. I don't think I've
Speaker 3: ever so much. We're in the final I think Berna.
Speaker 1: Is just really critical. And my guess is it's a
Speaker 1: reflection of the what she heard growing up, and so
Speaker 1: I think her being so critical of herself, like truly,
Speaker 1: like I think a lot of it is that's what
Speaker 1: she heard. And because she was a performer at such
Speaker 1: a young age, I imagine that there were a lot
Speaker 1: of critiques right when some of us were just doodling
Speaker 1: and trying to stay inside the line. She was performing,
Speaker 1: and I imagine there were a lot of critiques and
Speaker 1: so she's very critical of herself. It's gotten her far,
Speaker 1: but I think it's not fair to her as a whole.
Speaker 1: Like she she sells herself short sometimes in doing that,
Speaker 1: and I think understandably. So some of the other cast
Speaker 1: members get annoyed because they're trying to stay motivated themselves.
Speaker 1: They're feeling pain and aches, and they don't like, as
Speaker 1: Corey calls it, TJ's energy drink. That is one nasty
Speaker 1: as hell energy.
Speaker 3: And it was everywhere. I'm not even playing like and.
Speaker 1: Like tuna. It was like a rotten tuna melt with tomato.
Speaker 1: I don't even like clemato juice, so I don't.
Speaker 2: I can't.
Speaker 1: That's just nasty. I know we're gonna get terrible every time,
Speaker 1: absolutely terrible. But yeah, I think that she is tough
Speaker 1: on herself. So seeing Manuel be such a gentle partner,
Speaker 1: you know, online too, I've seen people speak to how
Speaker 1: Corey was a gentle partner with his partners when they
Speaker 1: did in last week's episode when they did kind of
Speaker 1: the the team thing, And I just want to shout
Speaker 1: that out also because I love to see it. Also,
Speaker 1: we see him a Manuel come out of his shell
Speaker 1: and just go lightning.
Speaker 2: But Colleen, Colleen here.
Speaker 1: Tell last episode to this episode, Colleen is crushing it.
Speaker 1: We see her putting that psych degree to use right,
Speaker 1: staying calm and using mental strategies.
Speaker 2: She's a good runner.
Speaker 1: Like there's a point where it almost seems like Colleen
Speaker 1: might be the one to be.
Speaker 4: She she saw that finish line and everything else got
Speaker 4: put behind her. She's like, I don't care about anybody else,
Speaker 4: anything else, whatever doubt, I had, whatever, nothing matters, because
Speaker 4: she thought she saw that the end is right there.
Speaker 3: And so once she.
Speaker 4: Got that final checkpoint, that final flag here, and I'm
Speaker 4: not looking back, and she did not look bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, she really didn't.
Speaker 3: I was really really proud of her, like her too,
Speaker 3: because I was an impressed.
Speaker 1: I felt like she was hiding that kind of or
Speaker 1: maybe it just didn't get to see it, but like
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, she's also someone to reckon
Speaker 1: with here in this game. And I don't think throughout
Speaker 1: the season she was spoken about as like this big
Speaker 1: intimidating competitor, but like, actually she's someone you definitely should
Speaker 1: keep an eye on.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, you gotta do it. Gold stars.
Speaker 1: No, it's not gonna do the reunion and that I'll
Speaker 1: give us gold star and time out of the season.
Speaker 2: All right, so of this episode or the final, you
Speaker 2: can do either of them.
Speaker 1: Who receives let's start a time out. Who gets your
Speaker 1: time out?
Speaker 3: You know what?
Speaker 4: Truly, I'm not gonna put anyone in time out this episode.
Speaker 4: I feel well, okay, alright, all right, all right, all right,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to give it a quarry.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to give it the quarry.
Speaker 4: And it's only because, oh my gosh, friend, you have
Speaker 4: all of the things, like as far as being a competitor,
Speaker 4: you have it all. We saw it in this final,
Speaker 4: like you have it all. You have the running, you
Speaker 4: have the mental, you have it all, and then you
Speaker 4: get to these little parts that terrify you and fear
Speaker 4: conquers you. Like if he could get control of that fear,
Speaker 4: oh man. But the way he struggled with that that
Speaker 4: that mountain, and the way that he struggled with the
Speaker 4: damn bridge, the bridge, the.
Speaker 1: Ball when he was he was like so adorable when
Speaker 1: he was crying at the hill. I mean, I want
Speaker 1: pushing to be like go, But it was also you
Speaker 1: just saw vulnerable. He was like a big teddy bear. Nope, Nope,
Speaker 1: I tried.
Speaker 2: Nope.
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna I'm gonna put him in time out,
Speaker 4: but only for two minutes, Corey, because I still want
Speaker 4: to give you a goal start later. So I'll put
Speaker 4: your time out for two minutes. Okay, but you you
Speaker 4: gotta go on time out because what was that? What
Speaker 4: with that you could have won this thing?
Speaker 3: What was that?
Speaker 1: I'm going to give my time out to.
Speaker 2: Be to the e r in a.
Speaker 1: Even though I can empathize with why she may be
Speaker 1: so critical of herself. Berna's interesting because she's both hard
Speaker 1: on herself, but then there's like a tinge sometimes of
Speaker 1: like arrogance a little and so, which I think is
Speaker 1: how people translate her the wrong way or she can
Speaker 1: rub some people the wrong way. But like when she
Speaker 1: was getting the drink that she hated and she was like,
Speaker 1: give me anything else, like why are you doing.
Speaker 2: This to me? Like it was very like this is
Speaker 2: happening to.
Speaker 1: Her, and it's like, girl, this is happening to all
Speaker 1: y'all because this is the vital Like it's not just happening.
Speaker 2: To an at you and so. And then Also, I
Speaker 2: still won't forget.
Speaker 1: I'm still not over the way she snapped at Colleen
Speaker 1: when Colleen was trying to help her last episode when
Speaker 1: they were partnered together, and then she was like, you
Speaker 1: can sit here, I guess.
Speaker 3: Because there's nothing you can do.
Speaker 2: You can't know. I can't.
Speaker 1: So Bernard's gonna have to get by time out. All right, now,
Speaker 1: who gets your gold star of the final?
Speaker 4: I'm actually going to give it to the final five?
Speaker 3: Four to five.
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm going to give gold stars to the final
Speaker 4: five because one all of them completed it. Every last
Speaker 4: person crossed the finish line.
Speaker 3: And I feel like.
Speaker 4: I've never been in the final, but from what I've seen,
Speaker 4: finals are extremely extremely hard. So even though there was
Speaker 4: a conversation of contemplating of quitting, it never happened, you
Speaker 4: know what I mean. And it got to a point
Speaker 4: where it was like they all made a conscious decision
Speaker 4: that it could be done. Because even as we're watching
Speaker 4: the episode, when you see everybody had four out of
Speaker 4: five flags, everybody the things that four out of five
Speaker 4: for everybody. At that point it was anyone like everybody
Speaker 4: was in it. Everybody was in it to win it.
Speaker 4: And then when it came down to what you know,
Speaker 4: they all cross that finish line.
Speaker 3: But I'm definitely I'm gonna give.
Speaker 2: It, especially knowing they weren't gonna get money. They totally
Speaker 2: could have been like, I'm not.
Speaker 3: Going on what I'm doing. Yeah, yep, me be back
Speaker 3: later on, you know.
Speaker 4: But that mentality of I have to finish, I think
Speaker 4: that is so, so so good. But my ultimate ultimate
Speaker 4: Stars are gonna go to Emmanuel Injuries because I just
Speaker 4: feel like they did a hell of a job.
Speaker 2: Yeah they did.
Speaker 3: How about you?
Speaker 1: I agree with you with all five getting gold Stars.
Speaker 1: I am so happy for them. I am so proud
Speaker 1: of them, even the ones who made it that far. Okay,
Speaker 1: you know what we didn't even talk about. That really sucks.
Speaker 1: Here's in the side forgive me. It's my ad D
Speaker 1: bring Okay. Usually when you get eliminated in a final
Speaker 1: like that, you don't necessarily go home right away. The
Speaker 1: finals already happening. So that means Jay is like somewhere
Speaker 1: stewing as they're competing still in the final. That's got
Speaker 1: to be like the worst. Also other side note, Nourise
Speaker 1: did again. Ad D Nourise did post on social saying
Speaker 1: about like being kind to other people. And I just
Speaker 1: want to say that, like, we second that it's one
Speaker 1: thing to criticize people's gameplay and all that and have
Speaker 1: fun with it because you know, we go on TV,
Speaker 1: we know that that's going to come.
Speaker 2: It is a game.
Speaker 1: But also remember that people are human as a whole,
Speaker 1: and like, don't forget their humanity and it's a brave
Speaker 1: thing to go and sort of live.
Speaker 2: Your life publicly.
Speaker 1: So as much as we may or may not agree
Speaker 1: with the way certain people have played a game, and
Speaker 1: I do also think if you talk smack online on
Speaker 1: social media and people come at you afterwards, like I mean,
Speaker 1: you put it out there on social media, but the
Speaker 1: way people play a game. While you can have your
Speaker 1: opinions and thoughts about it, remember that ultimately we're all
Speaker 1: humans and it does you no good.
Speaker 2: It's literally not.
Speaker 1: Good for your health to like be a complete crap
Speaker 1: human to someone else, so like and vice versa.
Speaker 2: So just keep that in mind.
Speaker 1: I still stay in the fact that Jay's probably wandering
Speaker 1: in the wood somewhere, but I just wanted to like point,
Speaker 1: you know, he's still a human as everyone else.
Speaker 2: That probably really.
Speaker 1: Sucked because they're running the final, and same with Mariah,
Speaker 1: and like they're probably like in a bus nearby while
Speaker 1: these others are finishing, which.
Speaker 2: Would just have to be tough.
Speaker 1: And then but they played a great game and they
Speaker 1: got that far and these five completing it, putting their
Speaker 1: all into it. The way they kind of cheered each
Speaker 1: other on towards the end was just beautiful to see.
Speaker 1: And I'm so happy they didn't give up. Because when
Speaker 1: I tell you it is I'm old now. I've done
Speaker 1: a lot of great things in my life. I've achieved
Speaker 1: a lot of goals and dreams that I set for
Speaker 1: myself as a little girl. But some of my favorite
Speaker 1: moments and my proudest moments, and when I'm two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty two on my deathbed, I will probably look
Speaker 1: back on it would be completing the finals.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I lost a toenail in one, which was sad, but
Speaker 1: otherwise it was just such a life changing thing for
Speaker 1: me and I'm so happy it was worth it. Was
Speaker 1: it worth it because it's still it's grew back, but
Speaker 1: it's a little crooked. It has like an attitude now
Speaker 1: like it's fine, but I know the difference. But it
Speaker 1: was just a life changing thing. So I'm so happy
Speaker 1: that they all get to experience that. It's really special
Speaker 1: and they deserve it, so gold star to all of them.
Speaker 1: Honorable mention to TJ's stylist, because I mean, in this episode,
Speaker 1: I feel like we didn't see that my curtness, but
Speaker 1: as a whole TJ was killing it. I really liked
Speaker 1: it and appreciated it. Also kind of like the longer
Speaker 1: hair teach.
Speaker 3: It's good.
Speaker 2: Look all right, now, we've talked a lot, but the
Speaker 2: best is yet to come because.
Speaker 1: We have the new champion. The season was battle for
Speaker 1: a new champion. Well we got one, and we have
Speaker 1: him on here and we are gonna find out what
Speaker 1: is it that makes him so alluring. We're gonna find
Speaker 1: out does Day or Devin's opinion of him change at
Speaker 1: any point in the show. Is he as dangerous as
Speaker 1: he seems to be. The answer is probably yes. But
Speaker 1: you guys got to listen to Fino and some behind
Speaker 1: the scenes things, including a feud with Kylon that we
Speaker 1: weren't fully aware of. So it's a great interview. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna want to miss it. Let's celebrate our Newish
Speaker 1: Challenge champion.
Speaker 2: We're also going to talk about that debate about whether or.
Speaker 1: Not you need to go into elimination to really be
Speaker 1: a champion or not. So grab a snack, do some exercises,
Speaker 1: train or run on a treadmill or something, because that's
Speaker 1: apparently the only way that you win and challenge and
Speaker 1: stay right here because we have Emen Well coming up
Speaker 1: right after this, Ladies and gentlemen, please help us welcome
Speaker 1: our newest Challenge champion.
Speaker 2: Immen. Wel woa emen.
Speaker 1: Wow, oh my god, hello everyone.
Speaker 5: I'm happy to be here and talk to you guys
Speaker 5: and to the fires.
Speaker 2: Seeing you in this light was so cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was beautiful watching you when like first of all,
Speaker 1: first of all, even well, where have you been hiding?
Speaker 1: Because you just came out of the gate dominating this final,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, dominating from day Like did you kick it
Speaker 1: into turbocharge? Like did we like did we just not
Speaker 1: see this throughout the season? Like were you kind of
Speaker 1: laying and wait and letting everybody do all the things
Speaker 1: knowing that you were just going to kick butt at
Speaker 1: the final? Like what was your strategy going in because
Speaker 1: you were just kind of undefeatable, it almost seemed in
Speaker 1: the final.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I don't even know how to tell you.
Speaker 5: The strategy was to to try and do the same
Speaker 5: thing as I did last season, and that's not going
Speaker 5: to elimination. And it worked. It worked. I did have
Speaker 5: a crucial point at one point when we can talk
Speaker 5: about it later, which shifted the kind of everything towards
Speaker 5: someone else and not me when I was hot sit
Speaker 5: But I don't know. I guess we don't really see
Speaker 5: what I did because you know, the j Think and
Speaker 5: Michelle thing was too strong to you know, get some airtime.
Speaker 5: But I think I think really good every challenge, and
Speaker 5: I actually want the challenges that I had to win
Speaker 5: to stay safe. You know, Yeah, man eliminations challenges, and yeah,
Speaker 5: I'm a nice guy and I make friends.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 4: I think it was really cool, you know, of you
Speaker 4: being able to and don't take this in a bad way,
Speaker 4: because I don't mean it a bad way. You being
Speaker 4: able to hide behind Jay and Michelle and use them
Speaker 4: as a shield because we saw so much of them
Speaker 4: and they were involved in so much that gave you
Speaker 4: the opportunity to really just say a lot.
Speaker 2: But we didn't, we didn't see it.
Speaker 5: I know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: What were you involved in you tell us.
Speaker 5: You know, it kind of looked like all I did
Speaker 5: was be friends with Jay and love my mom. That's all.
Speaker 1: That's not all for a minute now.
Speaker 5: And the big one and the big characteristic of mine.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm not even gonna say it, it's just obvious.
Speaker 1: Do you Okay, let's let's tap into that for a
Speaker 1: minute even as well. And I love that you're here
Speaker 1: to play. Do you consider yourself a heartbreaker?
Speaker 5: I am a heartbreaker, and that's that's I'm so not
Speaker 5: happy about it. I did break some hearts before, and
Speaker 5: I said I wasn't going to do it, but you know,
Speaker 5: this this time it was different. I'm I know it
Speaker 5: was stupid, but I was supposed to end this relationship
Speaker 5: way before and I didn't because I was a bitch,
Speaker 5: and that, you know, led to me doing bigger mistakes.
Speaker 1: Okay, So you felt you knew going into the challenge,
Speaker 1: how she felt like the relationship you were in at
Speaker 1: the time wasn't one that necessarily was going on.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we knew it was gonna break up.
Speaker 2: We knew, or you knew.
Speaker 5: Yeah she knew too.
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, And then we see you get emotional when
Speaker 1: you know when they.
Speaker 2: Do the letters. When you guys got the letters, yeah, man,
Speaker 2: I got.
Speaker 5: Two letters, well for my mom and my girlfriend, and
Speaker 5: I was wrying a ship in my mom's letter, and
Speaker 5: then it was a part of my girlfriend girlfriend's letters
Speaker 5: that I've read to everyone. But yeah, of course I
Speaker 5: felt bad because I don't think she knew. And then
Speaker 5: you know, I guess when they asked them for letters,
Speaker 5: she was so happy to write to me.
Speaker 1: You don't think she knew what that you guys were
Speaker 1: broken up, or that you had you had sister wives and.
Speaker 5: She I don't know. I think she knew because of
Speaker 5: the you know, there's a lot of spoiler accountings.
Speaker 1: Oh you think she's falling along, because I was wondering
Speaker 1: when you said that in your on the show and
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, I don't think she knew. I was like, even, well,
Speaker 1: how would she know? You're still away, like, you know, competing,
Speaker 1: so you think she was sort of following along?
Speaker 5: And honestly, honestly, I actually talked to my brother too,
Speaker 5: because I had a phone call and I called him
Speaker 5: and I told him everything, and maybe they talked. Maybe
Speaker 5: they're even okay. I also had the call with my girlfriend,
Speaker 5: but that was before I started being a fucking.
Speaker 3: You keep saying, my girlfriend? Are you still still thinking?
Speaker 5: Manuell?
Speaker 2: What do you do?
Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember, but when we did
Speaker 1: Challenge Aftermath for Spies, Lies and Allies, I believe it
Speaker 1: was and we saw Torri. It's actually still pinned on
Speaker 1: my Twitter.
Speaker 2: Page at the top. There's a clip.
Speaker 1: Coming out of the bathroom at one point. And you know,
Speaker 1: clearly people are really drawn to you. And obviously we
Speaker 1: didn't get to see a ton of that this season,
Speaker 1: or get to see as much of your personality season,
Speaker 1: which sometimes happened with winners. Right, because you do make
Speaker 1: it to the end, we don't see as much part
Speaker 1: of your story in the earlier episodes, right, we don't
Speaker 1: really get see it into the end. But what do
Speaker 1: you think it is? Because so many girls had such
Speaker 1: high things to say about you, and like, if we
Speaker 1: go to what was it, Raven Colleen Berna? I mean,
Speaker 1: is there somebody else I'm missing? I feel like probably?
Speaker 1: But who else am I missing? The Challenge house?
Speaker 5: That was Olivia?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, you're right, Olivia. Yep, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 2: Uh huh so yeah, almost almost have the house? Uh,
Speaker 2: like that that draws them to you.
Speaker 5: I honestly have zero ideas. Sometimes I look in the
Speaker 5: mirror and I'm like, man, what the fuck why people
Speaker 5: like you that much? Like especially goods like right, And
Speaker 5: I really don't get it. Maybe because I'm I'm nice.
Speaker 5: Maybe you know, lately I've been working out. I put
Speaker 5: a little bit of muscles.
Speaker 3: Oh, I have a question.
Speaker 4: You said, going into the house, you knew that you
Speaker 4: and your ex girlfriend knew that the relationship was over, right,
Speaker 4: So you get into the show and you mix and
Speaker 4: mingle with all of these girls, right. Was there any
Speaker 4: one of those girls who you felt like, oh, this
Speaker 4: may be something.
Speaker 5: No, because I planned I actually planned on when I
Speaker 5: came into the house. I was like, okay, you know,
Speaker 5: I have my girlfriend home and I am not going
Speaker 5: to do anything. That was my plan, not to get
Speaker 5: involved in any you know, showmans and anything. And I
Speaker 5: was like, you know what, this is actually better because
Speaker 5: that's gonna from you know, getting in a showmans, which
Speaker 5: it didn't. And probably if I was probably if I
Speaker 5: was if I was singer, yeah, okay, if I was
Speaker 5: a singer, then most definitely I think I would have
Speaker 5: had like a proper showmans like the Norris, but with
Speaker 5: who I'm not sure because I like.
Speaker 2: I like, oh, come on, he said he's not a player,
Speaker 2: he just a lot.
Speaker 5: But but but I would I would give it to
Speaker 5: ravens Oh here.
Speaker 3: We go, Okay, we go, Okay.
Speaker 1: What is it that you that stands out to you
Speaker 1: about Raven? We've had her on the podcast. She's awesome.
Speaker 1: What was it that like really attracted her?
Speaker 5: I don't know. Maybe we had really good conversations. She
Speaker 5: was fun, she's I don't know. We had a lot
Speaker 5: of a lot of things in common. You know, we
Speaker 5: listen to the same music. We would talk about any
Speaker 5: talking and just laugh and it was nice, you know.
Speaker 5: And it wasn't in a in a like you know,
Speaker 5: like a sexual way, or it was just she's she's.
Speaker 2: For really your friend, but we know some of the
Speaker 2: other women it was a sexual way because that came
Speaker 2: out on the show.
Speaker 1: Did it Do you think it helped your game or
Speaker 1: hurt your game? Because when they started, either I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was that they were finding out about
Speaker 1: each other or we saw scenes where they started, they
Speaker 1: clearly developed feelings for you. Yeah, and so then they
Speaker 1: start getting kind of territorial. Do you feel like that
Speaker 1: hurt your game socially or do you feel like it
Speaker 1: kind of helped it because you did have so many
Speaker 1: women in the house that really appreciated you and that.
Speaker 5: Kind of you say, I think to some extent it
Speaker 5: did help.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, the finding out about each other and that stuff
Speaker 5: that Leen was talking about, that's I really don't know
Speaker 5: where that came from. Because I was talking to and
Speaker 5: dancing with them in the same day. I don't know.
Speaker 5: I wasn't hiding. No one was hiding. Everybody knew that
Speaker 5: I had, you know, someone back home, and it was
Speaker 5: just like a like a fun thing. We didn't have sex,
Speaker 5: we didn't like it was just you know, flirting and
Speaker 5: the jokes.
Speaker 1: Okay, I just have to this is I'm being nosy
Speaker 1: and Manuel, so forgive me, but I just want to
Speaker 1: care about because I feel like on the episode or
Speaker 1: one of them, it said or Colleen said that you
Speaker 1: guys did hook up. So you're saying you guys didn't
Speaker 1: hook up.
Speaker 5: No, we didn't have six. No, it was it was something,
Speaker 5: but it wasn't six No.
Speaker 2: Okay, no, no, no, okay, okay.
Speaker 1: What was the biggest surprise for you looking back on
Speaker 1: it now and this is your you know, you've been
Speaker 1: in the Challenge House before, but never really as an
Speaker 1: individual like playing solely an individual game. What would you
Speaker 1: say was the biggest surprise for you this season?
Speaker 6: Well, my biggest surprise hmm, I'm not sure if I
Speaker 6: was maybe horas you're not being as as there as
Speaker 6: people talk about.
Speaker 5: Him, because I saw him in the mini final and
Speaker 5: that was I was like, man, this, you know, it
Speaker 5: looks like that he's kinda got to perform like that,
Speaker 5: but we got to check points. We got to the
Speaker 5: checkpoints and I'm like, okay, I can get him.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So that was intimidating as you had heard, okay, gotcha.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was That was a surprise. Other than that,
Speaker 5: maybe the fact that again after another season, I just
Speaker 5: coasted right.
Speaker 1: And then under at like as much as Jay was
Speaker 1: targeting Harassio. And do you think because I kind of
Speaker 1: even Corey We've talked about this, We feel like people
Speaker 1: were sleeping on Corey's ability, Like, yes, he psyches himself
Speaker 1: out and he doesn't love a balance being, we learned,
Speaker 1: But other than that, he's still, like, you know, a
Speaker 1: great challenger.
Speaker 2: Do you feel like Jay really.
Speaker 1: Missed the mark in underestimating your ability to really blow
Speaker 1: it out of the water in a final.
Speaker 5: I think it was more so the first day we
Speaker 5: got there. We didn't go to the house. We did
Speaker 5: the where we slept outside him tiles and everything. But
Speaker 5: from the moment I met Ja, we clicked and we
Speaker 5: was just friends, like really really bonded. I didn't know
Speaker 5: who's he coming in the game with. I don't know
Speaker 5: how much power will he have. And we was like man, yeah,
Speaker 5: like you know, goofing around like voice. And then we
Speaker 5: was like, okay, let's get in the same room. And
Speaker 5: then we started clicking with with Callum two, and then
Speaker 5: Corey eventually got in our room and we just created
Speaker 5: his strong friendship like twenty four to seven together, planning
Speaker 5: and everything do it. It was like twenty four seven together.
Speaker 5: And I think it was more the friendship that made
Speaker 5: him not you know, put me in. And if I
Speaker 5: think about it, if it was against it was about
Speaker 5: me versus Jay on votes, I would probably get the
Speaker 5: votes on him more than he would have done it
Speaker 5: with me.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, did you come into the house with any
Speaker 2: alliances beforehand?
Speaker 5: It all no, But did Bernard did call me before
Speaker 5: and she was like, okay, I want to work with you.
Speaker 5: And I was like great, which I was like, shit, fuck,
Speaker 5: I don't want to do that, but I can I
Speaker 5: say no? So we did work together.
Speaker 2: Why didn't you want to work with her?
Speaker 5: Because because on the first season I couldn't stand her.
Speaker 5: Oh I was like no way, no way.
Speaker 4: So did she Did she show you a difference from
Speaker 4: that first season to this season.
Speaker 5: On a personal level? Yeah? I mean she opened up
Speaker 5: to me and and that got me. But the personality
Speaker 5: and the challenges it was the same.
Speaker 3: Gotcha.
Speaker 4: Okay, Well your boy J was there and then your
Speaker 4: boy J was gone.
Speaker 3: Okay. I want to go back to that elimination.
Speaker 4: Between Jay and Corey. Did when Corey picked J? Do
Speaker 4: you feel like who I can breathe or do you
Speaker 4: feel like, oh that's my friend?
Speaker 3: What did you feel in that moment?
Speaker 5: I was like, fucking fucking Bridge. What Now?
Speaker 2: Were you and Corey close with this money?
Speaker 5: Like? Yeah, at that point we got okay, At that
Speaker 5: point we actually got up gotten closer. We had some
Speaker 5: very personal talks. Man. It was it was really good
Speaker 5: and I'm so happy with it because I really didn't
Speaker 5: like him because I felt like I cannot trust him.
Speaker 5: You know, something's happening in the first part of the season.
Speaker 2: Oh we saw, yeah, he was all he was doing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you saw like ninety minutes we've been there
Speaker 5: twenty four seven.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, what else happened, man, Well that we didn't
Speaker 1: see in that early What was Corey up to in
Speaker 1: those few episodes.
Speaker 5: Maybe he was talking to the girls at one point
Speaker 5: and he said, Yo, trust to Manuel, He's gonna have
Speaker 5: burned us back. So it was kind of I was
Speaker 5: working to get in a big alliance, to get as
Speaker 5: many people around me and then him saying that, and
Speaker 5: I was like, God, damn it.
Speaker 2: So he was setting you up for trying to shift.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you forgave anybody else, Yeah, which is the
Speaker 1: thing that surprised us even.
Speaker 2: Well, so we've seen the same way.
Speaker 1: You have the magic art of getting women to opt
Speaker 1: into being sister wives. Like we saw a scene of
Speaker 1: you at the movies or you guys were like in
Speaker 1: the movie room or something. You literally had Raven on
Speaker 1: one arm.
Speaker 2: And live you on the arm in your best life.
Speaker 1: Corey has the same ability to get people to forgive him,
Speaker 1: like to try and get people thrown in and then
Speaker 1: like two weeks later they're like, oh.
Speaker 2: We're gonna save Corey or we really Like what do
Speaker 2: you think is that? Like, Yeah, how did you end.
Speaker 1: Up forgiving him becoming so close when he was trying
Speaker 1: to get you eliminated from the game early on?
Speaker 5: Sure, I think there's many reasons, maybe the fact that
Speaker 5: he was also someone that I would have to go against,
Speaker 5: so it was in my interest to you know, I
Speaker 5: have a I have a good connection with him. Then
Speaker 5: then I started knowing him better, starting you know, actually
Speaker 5: bonding with him and creating a really nice connection, which
Speaker 5: it was. It was great because you know in times
Speaker 5: like that, when you're on a show like that, sometimes
Speaker 5: in unique friends. Man, But yeah, it was no doubt
Speaker 5: I would forgive him. But the girls, listen, listen the
Speaker 5: movie scene which guy you guys saw everyone was like
Speaker 5: cuddling everyone, but it wasn't like a cuddle. We didn't
Speaker 5: have space and we would just sqush spush into each
Speaker 5: other and just like find what it happened that my
Speaker 5: arms were wide.
Speaker 2: Open whatever you want to call him.
Speaker 1: Man, Well, like I said, I still have the footage
Speaker 1: of you tiptoeing naked out of the bathroom on my
Speaker 1: Twitter all right at the top.
Speaker 2: So whatever you want.
Speaker 5: To call it, get away, I get away.
Speaker 2: But I love seeing this out of your personality. Man,
Speaker 2: well you you've been called the Romanian Jordan. Have you
Speaker 2: heard that before?
Speaker 5: Oh? No, who's Jordans? Oh everybody calls me that. Everybody
Speaker 5: since day one on Spibisels they called me that, And
Speaker 5: I was like, man, I like it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, why do you think they call you that?
Speaker 5: Because I don't know. I'm honestly, I see his talking
Speaker 5: a lot of shit in his introdews to like very
Speaker 5: big about himself, which is I love it because that's
Speaker 5: what I do. And then he performs, He really performs. Yeah,
Speaker 5: maybe that's and then we have some features probably you know,
Speaker 5: the of our head that maybe.
Speaker 2: The style we have some people in common.
Speaker 1: Also again referring to my Twitter post, it's a big
Speaker 1: complict because Jordan's an icon in this game obviously, And yes,
Speaker 1: he came out of the gate talking big back in
Speaker 1: his early seasons, but he's proven it, you know, time
Speaker 1: and maybe not that season, but he's rooming it time
Speaker 1: and time again since.
Speaker 5: And it's fifty to fifty wings and eliminations.
Speaker 2: I like these stats. Well I like the stats.
Speaker 3: Okay, right now, I want to get into.
Speaker 4: This back and forth with you and the wreath because
Speaker 4: it was breaking my heart, it was breaking my mind,
Speaker 4: and obviously, so I don't want to put words in
Speaker 4: your mouth. But from the looks of it, you, is
Speaker 4: it safe to say that you felt like she was
Speaker 4: your biggest competition?
Speaker 5: Oh? Yeah, oh yeah? And walking in the final? Definitely? Yeah.
Speaker 7: Well after Jay left then, yeah, you know why because
Speaker 7: because she has done these eliminations and he told us
Speaker 7: what we were the eliminations, it was pretty much like the final.
Speaker 5: You had to do some checkpoints and I was like,
Speaker 5: god damn. And she took out four people in eliminations
Speaker 5: with checkpoints, so the final is going to be just that. Yeah,
Speaker 5: So obviously obviously I had to. You know, I have
Speaker 5: nothing against her, man. I love Nerris Honestly, She's she's
Speaker 5: the best. She's like she and that's the thing, I know,
Speaker 5: you know, I thought maybe I'm harsh with her, but
Speaker 5: I know she can take him. And did you not
Speaker 5: see how he talks and how tough she is every time? Yeah,
Speaker 5: and every time? You know, That's what I see in her.
Speaker 5: Every time someone has something to say about her or
Speaker 5: to her, he'll take it and do something really good
Speaker 5: and productive with with with.
Speaker 3: That and come back yeah I mean, oh yeah, oh
Speaker 3: yeah again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she is insane.
Speaker 1: I have to ask you, so, okay, you know when
Speaker 1: we were at one of the checkpoints, I.
Speaker 2: Say we like we were there, but when we were
Speaker 2: watching you.
Speaker 1: We were and you guys are doing the puzzle pieces
Speaker 1: again with your fingers things.
Speaker 4: I want to know what was your strategy because they
Speaker 4: want to point the camera pants to you and you
Speaker 4: have like thirty of those towels stacked up in the corner.
Speaker 4: How in the world did you do that? And you
Speaker 4: had them like straight up?
Speaker 5: First of all, we were there for a very long
Speaker 5: time and getting bored. You like, you think about, oh,
Speaker 5: what would be the most efficient way, and you try that,
Speaker 5: You try that, And then I got a few tiles
Speaker 5: next to the wall, and then I realized I just
Speaker 5: piled them unth and use the wall to the side
Speaker 5: wall to make them mouth fall. So it has basically
Speaker 5: three wolves, you know what I'm saying, has the wall
Speaker 5: behind the wold and decide and then the net. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and then might just have to.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 5: It was it was.
Speaker 2: What you guys did you keep yourselves awake?
Speaker 1: So once you do finish and refinish, we spot you
Speaker 1: guys sharing a pillow and a blanket, which is a
Speaker 1: cute moment on the beach. What else did you guys
Speaker 1: do though, to keep yourselves awake?
Speaker 2: Because you were.
Speaker 1: Done, but like you said, you weren't allowed to go
Speaker 1: to sleep. So were you guys playing some games or
Speaker 1: like telling us ghost stories?
Speaker 2: What was going on?
Speaker 5: Yeah? We well was you know a lot of stories
Speaker 5: and stuff like that. And then at one point it
Speaker 5: kind of started raining. So I was like, guys, we
Speaker 5: need to we need to make a god doing fourth.
Speaker 5: So we took all the what's it called the thing
Speaker 5: is that the clouds were that we was doing, and
Speaker 5: then we just like throw them on the ground and
Speaker 5: piled them up and we made like a fourth that one. Yeah,
Speaker 5: it was also very cold and then that would kick
Speaker 5: the winds away for my buddies, and just that we
Speaker 5: were just going inside there and then running a little
Speaker 5: bit because it was cooled. Yeah, some peacocks around in
Speaker 5: the morning.
Speaker 3: Oh no, oh.
Speaker 1: No, all right, we gotta take a quick break, but
Speaker 1: we will be right back after this, Okay, let's get
Speaker 1: back into it.
Speaker 4: So you guys, well I did not get up, but
Speaker 4: you guys are up. The sun is up right the
Speaker 4: next day, Yeah, and the wheels get to move in
Speaker 4: and baby, you are in for a swim, a swim.
Speaker 1: Big along withs like what is ea?
Speaker 2: My god?
Speaker 1: I would have packed up my pocketbook right there like
Speaker 1: Analie's keating and tatt to get away with murder. We
Speaker 1: are not doing that today, two thousand light.
Speaker 3: Let's go from from that swim to a run.
Speaker 5: Honestly, we didn't know what to expect. We did not
Speaker 5: know when TJ is going to come, when the next
Speaker 5: challenge is going to start. And when we saw DJ,
Speaker 5: he waves and he's like, come on, guys, let's go.
Speaker 5: And we thought we're going to swim to his little boat.
Speaker 5: He's gonna drive us to the letters or whatever. But
Speaker 5: as we were swimming, he was just like going further
Speaker 5: and was like what the We didn't know anything. We
Speaker 5: just kept swimming. Yeah, we just kept swimming. And honestly,
Speaker 5: I'm the whole final. I really, I was so locked
Speaker 5: in that I can barely remember I was. I remember
Speaker 5: I got up and I was so white because I
Speaker 5: did not stop swimming, not like not one beach, just
Speaker 5: like just like throwing hands and it was I don't know,
Speaker 5: it was very hard, very very almost you would you
Speaker 5: would feel sorry for yourself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, before coming on this season, had you been training
Speaker 1: at all?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: What did your train?
Speaker 5: Three months?
Speaker 2: Three months training?
Speaker 5: I had three months of intensive training. I knew that,
Speaker 5: you know, I thought that coming into the Sason people
Speaker 5: won't let me you know coast, They'll be like, oh,
Speaker 5: this fucker did that last week? Was not going in
Speaker 5: getting in. So I was training for any type of
Speaker 5: physical or mental like like like a lot of drills,
Speaker 5: a lot of running. For the last month before I
Speaker 5: flew thirty days straight. I would wake up before the sun, run,
Speaker 5: come back, coach, shower, go training, you know, do my things,
Speaker 5: and then in the night do another training. So I
Speaker 5: really did it.
Speaker 2: Almost like your full time job training.
Speaker 3: For this Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, yes, exactly.
Speaker 3: And that that is how champs are made, you know?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 1: Do you think that that is the key to people
Speaker 1: who win nowadays on the show is that they have
Speaker 1: to be training full time kind of before coming in?
Speaker 5: Uh not really, you know. I always go back to
Speaker 5: Devin's win, which I don't think he trained.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, no, oh he trained by the way
Speaker 1: we had him on the podcast. No, no, no, Not
Speaker 1: only did Devin train. Devin likes to train by having
Speaker 1: a puzzle in his hand while running on the treadmill
Speaker 1: to see if he can solve it, like while tired
Speaker 1: or distracted.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I did too. Yeah, so smart, All right,
Speaker 5: all right, I did not not I did not know that.
Speaker 5: I do that too, but mostly with matts and tens.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I think I think you should train somehow.
Speaker 5: I mean, if if you know, if you know you're
Speaker 5: not that good at physical stuff, because because some of
Speaker 5: the challenges might you might need to be physically you know,
Speaker 5: skilled a little bit or whatever in order to win
Speaker 5: and stay safe. You know, you say, I don't need
Speaker 5: to win that one. I mean, I think in the final,
Speaker 5: but then what if someone's going to throw you in
Speaker 5: because you didn't win that one? Right? So I think
Speaker 5: I think you should train a little bit. That's what
Speaker 5: I say.
Speaker 4: When you got to the final part of the final, right,
Speaker 4: and you had to complete those with the five stations
Speaker 4: to get the five flag. With all of the training
Speaker 4: that you have done, where do you think your training
Speaker 4: helped you in that portion of the final.
Speaker 5: The physical part came in handy because I've been running
Speaker 5: and doing everything faster than them, right, and yeah, the
Speaker 5: last one it wasn't that physical obviously, but you know,
Speaker 5: a little bit of balance, as we've seen, can cost
Speaker 5: you a place.
Speaker 3: Oh boy, what.
Speaker 2: Would you say?
Speaker 1: Do you think was the time difference between when Maurice
Speaker 1: crossed the finish line and like when you cross the
Speaker 1: finish line as the winner and then Nourice crossed the finish.
Speaker 5: Line when I when I left, I think the race
Speaker 5: had only three flags only Corey had four flags.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, Okay.
Speaker 5: But then the risk comes and I'm like, god, yeah.
Speaker 1: So you're saying that balance beam took Corey that long
Speaker 1: that it cost him from being far ahead.
Speaker 2: Wow, why do you think he struggled so much?
Speaker 1: Because we see you basically you look like a skateboarder
Speaker 1: just skirting along the side it like you didn't even.
Speaker 5: I think he over He's been overthinking it and took
Speaker 5: it too slow because the more you stand on it,
Speaker 5: the more it is hard to you know, keep your balance,
Speaker 5: So you go fast and you might have a better chance,
Speaker 5: you know, white white legs and just like hop hop
Speaker 5: it like a grasshopper.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's long, like his legs are really long. He
Speaker 3: could have just said blue blop and I'm out right.
Speaker 1: What would be your advice to anyone listening who wants
Speaker 1: to become a challenge champ like you? Maybe they're new,
Speaker 1: maybe it's you know, sort of new fresh bases coming
Speaker 1: to the mix. What would be your three pieces of
Speaker 1: advice that you would tell someone in their rookie season.
Speaker 5: I would say, if you want to be rich, don't
Speaker 5: go into elimination. If you want to be a champion
Speaker 5: and be or or if you want to risk being
Speaker 5: not being a champion and you know, look tough, go
Speaker 5: into elimination. But if you want to win it, I
Speaker 5: would say, stay away from elimination as much as you can,
Speaker 5: because it might be a time, as we've seen with West,
Speaker 5: where you cannot longer be able to coast or you know,
Speaker 5: stay out of eliminations so as long as you can
Speaker 5: do it. If you want to get a rich to that,
Speaker 5: stay out of elimination.
Speaker 2: Now you're using this get rich quick scheme, but but
Speaker 2: you're you're right man.
Speaker 1: Well, and it's interesting because there's controversy around that.
Speaker 5: Honestly, it sor interrupt. Honestly, it might not work as
Speaker 5: we've seen with other people of that people that have
Speaker 5: been in there, not being in elimination and the date
Speaker 5: of final. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, but it does work because it gets you.
Speaker 1: That's part of the probably seventy percent of the struggle
Speaker 1: is getting to the final, right, and then the last
Speaker 1: thirty percent is or i'd say twenty percent is finishing
Speaker 1: the final, and then the ten percent is winning being
Speaker 1: the first person to finish said final. And there's been
Speaker 1: a lot of talk around this, and it's interesting that
Speaker 1: it's kind of hotly contested because there are those who
Speaker 1: agree with you, which is, hey, a smart way to
Speaker 1: play this game. This is not going on an elimination
Speaker 1: like work smarter, not harder, and I'm of that camp.
Speaker 1: But then there are others who say, hey, if you
Speaker 1: don't go on elimination, does it really count? And then
Speaker 1: for this season in particular, I think because TJ kept
Speaker 1: saying in order to like be a champion, have to
Speaker 1: beat a champ, then there's.
Speaker 2: A lot of you know, hullabaloo around.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's why they didn't bid me, So that's
Speaker 5: why they needn't bid me, So that's.
Speaker 6: Why they win.
Speaker 5: Right there, you go.
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like, while we're on these topics
Speaker 4: of eliminations and we're speaking about that, I have to know,
Speaker 4: because you guys were so close throughout the entire season, right,
Speaker 4: what was it like to see Michelle and Jay go
Speaker 4: home right before the end? I mean, especially after the
Speaker 4: type of season that they had, how they dominated, like
Speaker 4: right there, like you could taste the money, it was
Speaker 4: right there.
Speaker 5: It was. You know, it's like for a personal perspective
Speaker 5: somehow it is be too sweet, because you know, you
Speaker 5: create this bond and then you see them and you
Speaker 5: can you can even put yourself in their shoes and
Speaker 5: feel like, oh, I've done everything, like to leave right
Speaker 5: before the final. But then at the same time, I
Speaker 5: don't want to get the money, so I was like, sorry,
Speaker 5: not sorry, you know, but if I was on the
Speaker 5: other side, I would probably throw a party or something
Speaker 5: like that, like on on Nourice and Kyland's side.
Speaker 1: Oh, because you're saying they should be happy that that
Speaker 1: that ended up. Do you feel like you guys in
Speaker 1: hindsight and I know it's a game, but I am
Speaker 1: so curious of your perspective. Do you feel like, in hindsight,
Speaker 1: you guys went too hard at Horacio Kyland Orneries, Like
Speaker 1: do you feel like they have the short end of
Speaker 1: the stick or do you feel like they deserved nobody deserves.
Speaker 5: But of course we wouldn't do anything that us but
Speaker 5: get out of our competition, you know, I honestly it's
Speaker 5: you know that put that put them in a you know,
Speaker 5: very come like competitor light, which I also wanted to
Speaker 5: do eliminations and win eliminations, and I'm sure I would
Speaker 5: have won most of them. And you know, be like,
Speaker 5: why do we believe you?
Speaker 1: Because literally, if you rewind this podcast sixty two seconds ago,
Speaker 1: you just said that your strategy was to stay out
Speaker 1: of elimination, and now you're saying elimination.
Speaker 5: No, No, that's that's that's what I was going to say.
Speaker 5: You know, you wanna you want to have that because
Speaker 5: it's like a very glorifying you.
Speaker 2: Know, right, like stats have ye yes, yeah.
Speaker 5: But if you can avoid it, of course I would
Speaker 5: choose to avoid it. But I was ready to go
Speaker 5: in and you know do eliminations. I mean, I wasn't
Speaker 5: scared of doing eliminations or.
Speaker 2: Who would you of the vets? Who would you have
Speaker 2: if you had to have gone in against someone? Who
Speaker 2: of the vets?
Speaker 1: I want to know, one male and one female would
Speaker 1: you have gone against?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Definitely Jordan's Yeah, really do you think you would have won?
Speaker 5: I don't know. I don't know if you know, he's
Speaker 5: also I don't want to be like obviously my head
Speaker 5: of the win, but you never know, you never know
Speaker 5: what's gonna happen, what eliminations have. And then also the
Speaker 5: elimination that when he came, we wasn't allowed to do that.
Speaker 5: We wasn't allowed to be like, hey, I'm gonna jump
Speaker 5: in right.
Speaker 2: You know who's famous for doing that though? In Manuel?
Speaker 2: Who for your boy Jordan?
Speaker 1: And he went down and volunteered himself against Bananas in
Speaker 1: elimination because he basically said.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take it. And he lost and he definitely
Speaker 2: did not win, but he went on to win several
Speaker 2: seasons after that.
Speaker 5: So you know, you see, you see being too tough. Yeah,
Speaker 5: sometimes being too much and trying to prove it can
Speaker 5: send you home.
Speaker 3: But you know what the point is, the point is
Speaker 3: he never quit.
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, the good sister Berna and our good
Speaker 4: brother Corey do them like they never ever thought about
Speaker 4: quitting it. In fact, they did quit, but the thought,
Speaker 4: the thought, and the conversation and the dialogue was there.
Speaker 4: How did it feel watching this back and seeing them
Speaker 4: contemplate quitting.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 8: I was like, I was actually surprised with Corey because
Speaker 8: I was like, man, what the fuck you did? Everything
Speaker 8: you went to in the fucking snake's mouth the whole
Speaker 8: season and you're afraid of fucking your your Yeah, you're
Speaker 8: safe anyways.
Speaker 5: If you follow you might hurt your butt a little bit,
Speaker 5: but you're not falling down all the way. And I
Speaker 5: was surprised he had a hard time down. But I
Speaker 5: was like, you know, I wasn't even you know, happy,
Speaker 5: because that would mean better for my game. I was
Speaker 5: just like, come on, man, like Bernard, I knew Berner
Speaker 5: I was gonna I was gonna have a hard time.
Speaker 5: I knew from the jump, and unfortunately she gave some
Speaker 5: some hard times to others.
Speaker 2: Two yes she did.
Speaker 1: She tells herself she can't a lot. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys picked up on that, but it's like
Speaker 1: her default.
Speaker 2: Is to say I can't do this.
Speaker 1: I can't, you know, like when she's in the heat
Speaker 1: of the moment, so an interview she'll say, I know
Speaker 1: I can, but in the heat of the moment, in
Speaker 1: that fight or flight race, yeah, she sort of is like,
Speaker 1: I can't drink this, I can't blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: And I'd love to see her switch that around to
Speaker 1: she can. Because it was so great seeing all five
Speaker 1: of you finish this final, and even the camaraderie given
Speaker 1: all of your differences, like watching you guys just hug
Speaker 1: and celebrate up there. Do you think that despite you
Speaker 1: guys not always getting along that, do you feel like
Speaker 1: there's a special bond with you and the other Challenge
Speaker 1: finalists from the season because you guys went through that
Speaker 1: experience together, or do you think that they should all
Speaker 1: kick rocks.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a good point. I go see that where
Speaker 5: we created this bond, you know, even me and the
Speaker 5: rest would didn't actually work and I put it down.
Speaker 5: We were still good and there was no hard feelings.
Speaker 5: You know, at the end of the day, it's a
Speaker 5: gavement and we're human. You don't there's no point of
Speaker 5: hating each other or you know, being our to each other,
Speaker 5: we will have problems in our lives that we need
Speaker 5: to solve. So when I give others some more problems,
Speaker 5: and it's definitely, yeah, definitely graded upon them. We're mature
Speaker 5: enough to you know, not take it. I don't know.
Speaker 5: Sometimes sometimes I feel like we get so angry and frustrated.
Speaker 5: It's hard for me to do that. I don't really
Speaker 5: get angry, like Melissa throwing a drink out of nowhere
Speaker 5: for no reason, you know, and I don't like that,
Speaker 5: and I don't I don't like that. Fans actually prefer
Speaker 5: that then, you know, something more productive. But this is TV.
Speaker 1: Is that when you and Melissa broke up, Oh wait,
Speaker 1: it wasn't. I was just checking to see if there's
Speaker 1: anything else that happened.
Speaker 5: In the case I was flirting with.
Speaker 1: I mean, I cannot, I can not with you. Did
Speaker 1: you get each of the girls to at least autograph
Speaker 1: that didn't them best that you were this season? I
Speaker 1: feel like it's iconic because you won this season, right,
Speaker 1: so you're a champion and that was what you were
Speaker 1: in your interviews, and then also you were like, you know,
Speaker 1: the mac of the season, So like, did you get
Speaker 1: like you know.
Speaker 2: You should have. You could watch that opportunity. I bet
Speaker 2: it would go for a lot.
Speaker 1: Actually, it's like an iconic piece. You should frame that
Speaker 1: in your house. How's your family doing? You talked about
Speaker 1: this win being so impactful for your family, and we
Speaker 1: got to see great pictures of them, and you spoke about,
Speaker 1: you know, your your grandparents live in a village and
Speaker 1: they didn't have heaters, and just what this means for you.
Speaker 1: What was their reaction when you called to tell them
Speaker 1: that you won, and how are they doing today?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I mean when I first got out, I called
Speaker 5: my mother and I was like, mom, the final was
Speaker 5: very hard, this and that, and because she knew I
Speaker 5: was in the finals is because of the letter and
Speaker 5: and I was like, but you know, I came in
Speaker 5: the fourth place, but it's all good. Maybe I can
Speaker 5: do another season and all that, and she's like, I'm
Speaker 5: so happy for you and everything. And then I was like, mom,
Speaker 5: I actually won, and she was like, no, fellone stuff
Speaker 5: And she couldn't believe me for like twenty thirty minutes
Speaker 5: and then yeah, she started broking crying, and my grandparents
Speaker 5: the same. I actually put hitters. We did the hitters
Speaker 5: now they have hitters.
Speaker 2: That's so swim and well.
Speaker 5: That makes Yeah, I'm very I'm very happy I get
Speaker 5: to help my family because this was one of the
Speaker 5: like the main struggles in my family and with everything
Speaker 5: I did, because you know, even for me, it was
Speaker 5: hard with the money and uh, now I don't have
Speaker 5: that for us. In the back of my head, I
Speaker 5: can just do my things without worrying about brand about
Speaker 5: I know my grandma doesn't have that my mom needs
Speaker 5: or whatever.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's so special. That's really beautiful man. Well, like
Speaker 2: that really is as beautiful.
Speaker 4: And we as we were watching you this season, you
Speaker 4: know how everyone talks about oh, if I get the money,
Speaker 4: I'm going to do this, and student loans and all
Speaker 4: this other jazz blah blah blah blah blah. Right, I
Speaker 4: never once heard you say anything about yourself. You would always.
Speaker 3: Say that the money would help.
Speaker 4: You, would help change your life, but then you would
Speaker 4: always go back to your family, and so it's almost
Speaker 4: as if you were saying, changing their life is changing
Speaker 4: my life. And I always thought that was ul.
Speaker 5: Yeah, because that would change my life because right now
Speaker 5: I can do anything without money either. But I have
Speaker 5: this in the back of my head. But now not
Speaker 5: having this, I can just focus and do what I
Speaker 5: was doing till now, you know, even bigger things because
Speaker 5: I have money and I can invest.
Speaker 2: This is terrible. Well, I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: But between seeing you in that final without the hair gel,
Speaker 1: without the products, and then you right now being so
Speaker 1: kind and talking about your family and just showing uside
Speaker 1: of your personality, I get it. I'm not up for
Speaker 1: a sister wife doom like that's not my thing.
Speaker 3: But like I.
Speaker 2: Understand a little bit.
Speaker 1: I can tell you everybody why, Yeah, we're gonna tell
Speaker 1: us because.
Speaker 5: You know I the more you stay with me, the
Speaker 5: more you understand that I'm not trying to defend anyone.
Speaker 5: And I am always making fun, like laughing at people,
Speaker 5: probably making fun of some certain things, you know, some extent,
Speaker 5: and I always talk shit. And of course from a
Speaker 5: hundred questions on my interview, you would get what is
Speaker 5: right in that moment.
Speaker 2: But I'm not gonna lie. We didn't get to see
Speaker 2: you talk as much.
Speaker 1: And then you you really do like your hair gel,
Speaker 1: and and so we're like, okay, all these girls like him,
Speaker 1: da da, And then we see you like with the
Speaker 1: wind and You're hugging TJ. And your hair is all
Speaker 1: like fluffy, and you're really sweet, and you're talking about
Speaker 1: your family, and I'm like.
Speaker 3: And the pictures of him with his family.
Speaker 1: Now I kind of get it. And then and then
Speaker 1: you were running with your shirt off for a minute.
Speaker 1: Then I'm like, oh, all right, really really anyway, So
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, look, keep it honest here, and I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, now I kind of I kind of understand
Speaker 1: what who was it? Raven Colleen Burn?
Speaker 2: Sorry? Those are just the ones we know about.
Speaker 5: You know, are we gonna?
Speaker 3: Can we go?
Speaker 1: You stay on your side, and man, well don't you
Speaker 1: come over here? You said I will not no no
Speaker 1: in movie theater. I'm sitting on the opposite side of
Speaker 1: the room. I am a married woman. You go sit
Speaker 1: in that corner. I don't want to hear your charming
Speaker 1: miss okay.
Speaker 3: I don't want to have you do not even watch
Speaker 3: the movie. I need you to go to be hell on.
Speaker 2: You stay.
Speaker 1: We are in the same physical vicinity in Menuell stay
Speaker 1: over there. And now we see this, your level of
Speaker 1: sweet toxicity.
Speaker 2: This is I think we need to coin that's what
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 5: Talking It was it was a life.
Speaker 4: You are officially now our newest Challenge champ, and in
Speaker 4: the end of the episode seeing your picture up there
Speaker 4: with all of the rest of those champs, I'm sure
Speaker 4: that that felt amazing. You are the one right now,
Speaker 4: and I think the most important question that we can
Speaker 4: ask you before we wrap this thing up is.
Speaker 3: Can you send me in Devin five dollars a piece?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's it, because you got the money, so.
Speaker 5: I can even take a fly little.
Speaker 1: Seriously, can't we expect to see you, like, what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on season forty or it? Should we be
Speaker 1: keeping an eye out to see you anytime too?
Speaker 5: I would, honestly, I would love to do as many
Speaker 5: as you know, as I can. But you know, I'm
Speaker 5: not really into fighting and talk, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 5: So I'm not sure about the casting process.
Speaker 1: But she didn't I did actually didn't really or like
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't really at least we didn't see
Speaker 1: you fight this.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had.
Speaker 9: I had a hitted argument with Thailand this is and
Speaker 9: I was going to talk about this this crucial point
Speaker 9: because you know, they voted me in and then everyone
Speaker 9: everyone was kind of catching with me and they thought,
Speaker 9: you know, isn't maybe an easy vote, and it's better
Speaker 9: to get him out through.
Speaker 5: You know it can perform. But then after I got
Speaker 5: voted in bye bye Kyland and ras still, I was like, okay,
Speaker 5: there's a lot of you know, hit on my back
Speaker 5: because there is from the target. So I talked to
Speaker 5: Kylond then I told him, man, you should have done that.
Speaker 5: I'm going to come for you. You know, I was trying
Speaker 5: to be all tough and shit and all that shit,
Speaker 5: and I don't know if it worked. But then I'm like, okay,
Speaker 5: now I told him my plans, So why did I
Speaker 5: do that? So so I was like, okay, now I
Speaker 5: got to be smart about it. I mean saying this
Speaker 5: to Kyland was actually in my benefit for what I
Speaker 5: did later, because I went to my alliance and I said, okay, guys, look,
Speaker 5: you know I'm in this hit with Kyland, but I'm
Speaker 5: going to talk to him and tell him that I
Speaker 5: it's better to work with him, and that way, you know,
Speaker 5: I can get some informations from him and see what
Speaker 5: is going on. So I did just that, and you
Speaker 5: see a scene with me talking to him and you know,
Speaker 5: telling him that it's better to work together. So from
Speaker 5: from that moment, the heat was off my back because
Speaker 5: the next man's elimination was between Kyland and J. Kyland,
Speaker 5: you know, he thought I can work with him, so
Speaker 5: he shifted to J.
Speaker 2: Gotcha right, Yeah, So.
Speaker 5: I'm like, okay, that worked. And then and at the
Speaker 5: same time, Jay wasn't mad about it, right because we
Speaker 5: knew Kyland wasn't gonna get enough votes to vote for J.
Speaker 5: So that's why you see him going and be like, oh,
Speaker 5: let's let's be let me be the mister president and
Speaker 5: all that shit thought. Because we knew No Ruise wasn't
Speaker 5: gonna vote, we get Jay at that point, you know.
Speaker 5: So that was the crucial moment. And then this whole
Speaker 5: heat with J and then with you know, started even bigger,
Speaker 5: and I was like, okay, I'm back. I'm saying now
Speaker 5: that was that was a crucial.
Speaker 1: So you're saying you're a mastermind behind the scenes, is
Speaker 1: what you're saying. You're saying you really pulling some strings.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I was actually thinking about all the all the
Speaker 5: moves I did, you know, even the challenge where UH sabotage,
Speaker 5: It was actually also me sabotaging because we gathered everyone
Speaker 5: the night before him. We was, like you said, you know,
Speaker 5: if we get in despairs, whoever's with us and Kylon
Speaker 5: needs to throw it so we can put them both
Speaker 5: in the in the nation. So just that it worked perfectly.
Speaker 2: So he's not just a pretty set of tattoos.
Speaker 5: He is I am. You know who's the biggest snake
Speaker 5: who I'm the biggest snake.
Speaker 3: In the Okay? Well, I mean I'm not anyone.
Speaker 5: I'm not hurting anyone, you know, but without them.
Speaker 2: Knowing, I mean breaking some hearts along.
Speaker 5: Talking about.
Speaker 2: Well, sir champion.
Speaker 1: For those who want you continue to follow along in
Speaker 1: your your journey, your scheming, your training, your heartbreaking all
Speaker 1: the things. For those who want a little bit more Ema,
Speaker 1: and well, where can they find you on social media?
Speaker 2: Where can they follow you?
Speaker 5: They can follow me on dot magoo my name on
Speaker 5: Instagram also just there, I'm mainly there, okay, but you
Speaker 5: can also find you on Twitter, where I talk a
Speaker 5: lot of shit and I'm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've seen some of that.
Speaker 1: We are so happy that you've been here. Thank you
Speaker 1: for coming to hang with us, e Man, well and
Speaker 1: much deserved when so proud of you. Congratulations and We
Speaker 1: look forward to seeing more of you on a challenge
Speaker 1: and more of your your nonsense and all.
Speaker 2: The crazy and the stories. I know it's going to
Speaker 2: be interesting.
Speaker 5: Man. Well, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Thanks congratulations Champion.
Speaker 5: I really appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 4: I am so excited that the champ, the new Champ,
Speaker 4: took time out of his day to come hang out
Speaker 4: with us.
Speaker 2: Devin.
Speaker 3: I thought that was so cool.
Speaker 4: We got some insights, and you know, a couple opinions
Speaker 4: may have changed.
Speaker 3: You may have or may have not signed up to
Speaker 3: be a sister.
Speaker 1: No, because I'm not sign up. I just looked at
Speaker 1: the pamphlet. I didn't sign up. I'm a happily married woman.
Speaker 1: But I looked at the brochure, Okay, And I'm saying
Speaker 1: I can now understand a little bit better why people
Speaker 1: may have opted into that package, like you know, that's all.
Speaker 2: That's all I'm saying. And we got five dollars a day,
Speaker 2: don't forget, and.
Speaker 3: We got five dollars. You got to put your bed
Speaker 3: in when you can. Where can the people find you?
Speaker 3: On the social of the media.
Speaker 1: You can find me staying away from Emanuel in a
Speaker 1: movie room. You can also find me on Instagram at
Speaker 1: Devin Simone d e v y n s I m
Speaker 1: oh n e. You go to my website devensmone dot com.
Speaker 1: Scroll to the bottom and you'll see my socials there
Speaker 1: a most active if on Instagram and a little bit
Speaker 1: on Twitter. My stories are on ig is like where's
Speaker 1: I'm so behind on all the things I need to post.
Speaker 2: It's bad. It's like almost as bad as Day what
Speaker 2: her YouTube channel.
Speaker 3: Used to be.
Speaker 1: It's my thank you, my posting has gotten that bad?
Speaker 1: And then where can they find you?
Speaker 5: To Day?
Speaker 4: Yes, you can find me on the social media on
Speaker 4: all the platforms at Davon Diane Underscore two ends on The.
Speaker 3: Davon and The Diane.
Speaker 4: Okay, now you can also find me on YouTube.
Speaker 3: I just posted two new videos this week.
Speaker 2: You posted about Traders, but I didn't. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: I haven't watched it yet. But it seemed like you
Speaker 2: didn't even know the names of the players in the show.
Speaker 3: Okay, First of all, am I wrong? I knew the
Speaker 3: first half? You know what second half? Good bye?
Speaker 2: Just hang up?
Speaker 3: Goodbye? All right?
Speaker 2: But no, go support our girl.
Speaker 1: We love her as always, and speaking of support, we
Speaker 1: appreciate you supporting us.
Speaker 2: We love you so much.
Speaker 1: I've seen the tweets that say they love watching the
Speaker 1: Challenge on time just because they want to hear what
Speaker 1: we're going to say yeah afterwards.
Speaker 2: So I appreciate that very very much. I actually wanted
Speaker 2: to shout her out because it was really funny. But
Speaker 2: either way, we love you guys.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was Ashley m on Twitter said I'm
Speaker 1: watching because I want to listen to Devin DT on
Speaker 1: the podcast and understand what they're talking about.
Speaker 3: So appreciate you.
Speaker 1: Very much, and thank you for joining us for another
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Speaker 3: So Emmanuel single right,