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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up everybody? Welcome to the Guiltiest Charge Podcast,

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Speaker 1: presented by the Chargers Podcast Network. As always, my name

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Speaker 1: is Stephen and I am the host. In joining me

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Speaker 1: today is my guy Tyler. Tyler, what's man? How you

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Speaker 1: doing this afternoon?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing fantastic.

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Speaker 3: We have a great interview for you guys and just

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Speaker 3: a bit and Chargers fans. How are you we are

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Speaker 3: as of recording this two.

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Speaker 2: Weeks from camp? How you doing? We're almost there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, countdown to camp has officially begun and it's getting

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Speaker 1: closer and closer. I'm really excited about the interview that

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Speaker 1: we have today. As Tyler mentioned, mister Ted Wynn of

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Speaker 1: the Athletic is going to be joining us, talking all

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Speaker 1: things related to Kellen Moore, Brandon Staley. We asked him

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Speaker 1: about j C. Jackson and we just had a great

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Speaker 1: conversation and we'll get to that here second. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was very insightful. Can't thank him enough for joining

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Speaker 1: us and hopefully you guys enjoy it. After the interview,

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Speaker 1: Tyler and I are going to sit down and talk

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Speaker 1: about the undrafted free agents that the Chargers have and

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Speaker 1: potentially some guys that could really push for roster spots.

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Speaker 1: Obviously the Chargers have a great tradition in that regard.

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Speaker 1: Obviously recent guys like Austin Eckler and Michael Davis, for example,

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Speaker 1: So certainly possible that the Chargers do have a gem

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Speaker 1: in this undrafted free agent class. And we'll sit down

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Speaker 1: and talk about all of those guys before we get started,

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Speaker 1: before we get to that interview. As always, Tyler and

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Speaker 1: I are fans of the team, just like you guys are.

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Speaker 1: We are independent content creators and as such, the opinions

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Speaker 1: that we share on this episode and every episode are

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Speaker 1: not always reflected of the Chargers organization. These are our

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Speaker 1: opinions and there ares alone. So that's that. All right,

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Speaker 1: Let's get to this interview with miss Ted Winn. Hope

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Speaker 1: you guys enjoy it and we'll see you on the

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Speaker 1: other side. All right, guys, As I said earlier, super

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Speaker 1: excited to be joined by Ted Winn of The Athletic,

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Speaker 1: who does a great job covering the NFL. I know,

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Speaker 1: at least formerly covering the Raiders, but I know specifically

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Speaker 1: you know, doing some x's and O stuff for the

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Speaker 1: Athletic on Twitter, one of the best guys to follow.

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Speaker 1: I participated in a in a spaces with him recently

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Speaker 1: with coach Voss. That was very lightning and they had

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Speaker 1: a ton of fun doing that. So Ted, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us today. Man, how you doing Bill well,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on. Guys, happy to have you here.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for taking the time today. We have a lot

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Speaker 1: of great stuff to get into, so we'll just dive in. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: the Chargers making, you know, the big move from Joe

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Speaker 1: Lombardi to Kellen Moore, and a lot of people kind

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Speaker 1: of the hype is really starting to build recently with

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Speaker 1: Kellen Moore kind of taking over the offense. I'm curious

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Speaker 1: to get your thoughts here of really just how much

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Speaker 1: of an upgrade you think Kellen Moore could be from

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Speaker 1: Joe Lombardi in the past regime and maybe highlighting how

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Speaker 1: his offense might you know, allow Justin Herbert to take

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think it's interesting because you know,

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Speaker 4: Lombardi gets a ton of blame for the offense. Just

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Speaker 4: watching the offense last year, I mean, you know, it's

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Speaker 4: just the same plays over and over again. I'm sure

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Speaker 4: you know the fans are you know, what's what stick

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Speaker 4: it's just a depth of target the type of routes

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Speaker 4: whether Kellen Moore can really upgrade his offense or not.

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Speaker 4: But I always have been pretty impressed by what Kellen

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Speaker 4: And I think part of it he's a very young coach.

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Speaker 4: You know, if you look at his career, he just

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Speaker 4: I've liked what he's done in terms of creativity, very

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Speaker 1: Do you think that that West Coast Mike McCarthy Sean

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Speaker 4: I think his latest term with Mike McCarthy will probably

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Speaker 4: and it's kind of strange because the Cowboys were like

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Speaker 4: So I think his experience with Mike McCarthy, you knowably

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Speaker 4: think he'll probably be more pass heavy. But it's good

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Speaker 4: building an efficient run game. It doesn't mean they have

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Speaker 3: To your earlier point about Kellen Moore being a younger

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Speaker 3: to improve? I think a lot of us are focusing on, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's going to be awesome, the offense is going to

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Speaker 3: in your eyes, where he can Where can he improve?

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Speaker 4: I think just situational football and just kind of and

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Speaker 3: Is there an opponent or a scheme where he tends

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think it's to a lesser degree than

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Speaker 4: Lombardi and yeah, so it's just strange because you know,

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Speaker 4: we know Michael Carthy had influence on what he was

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it certainly seems like that's going to be

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Speaker 1: he's certainly involved with the offense, but this is Kellen's

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Speaker 1: the Chargers have talked about like majoring in their strengths.

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Speaker 1: What would you say from the run game perspective, what

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Speaker 4: I think just the variety of runs they had they

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Speaker 3: Moving to the defense now, because there's so much positivity

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Speaker 2: Aren't buying the Chargers.

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Speaker 3: But everywhere I look, it seems like all the best

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Speaker 3: the you know, defensive genius, elite game planner, schemer.

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Speaker 2: Et cetera.

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Speaker 3: You had a great article before the wild Card game

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Speaker 3: You know, that elite game planning is there. But in

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Speaker 3: the macro of two seasons, the defense has underperformed relative

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Speaker 3: So how does Brandon Staley take those flashes of greatness

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Man, that article burns. I wrote that article and things

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Speaker 4: Like I told you, he was terrible, man, he I

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Speaker 4: You know, I think it's difficult because you know, Cede

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Speaker 1: Yeah, excellent there, Tyler. You want to get to our

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Speaker 2: Here, Now go for it, Steven.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Ted again, this has been awesome, man, thinks so

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Speaker 4: I thought last year would be the year that you

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Speaker 4: They're playing pretty tough. The Raiders, you know, you could

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's definitely the right choice there, Ted, this has

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Speaker 1: been great man. Chargers fans, make sure and go check

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Speaker 1: his articles out on the Athletic. Obviously, you guys know

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Speaker 1: recently doing a fantastic article on mister Max Crosby. So

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Speaker 1: and see what's in store for this season. So, Ted,

434
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Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining man, appreciate your time today.

435
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Speaker 1: We'll be in touchdown the road for sure, no problem.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for me on guys.

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Speaker 1: All right, Tyler, what'd you think of man that that

438
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Speaker 1: was a great conversation. What was kind of your big

439
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Speaker 1: takeaway from that conversation with mister Ted Win?

440
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Speaker 3: Just the hope that this defense can get consistency that

441
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 3: it's we've been looking for, because you know, he talked

442
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 3: about it and we've talked about it and we've seen it,

443
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 3: like this defense is so talented and this coach is

444
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 3: very very smart.

445
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Speaker 2: Just things haven't been able.

446
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Speaker 3: To come together, you know, game to game to game

447
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,679
Speaker 3: to game for an entire season. So just getting closer

448
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Speaker 3: to that feeling like we can work in J. C.

449
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Speaker 3: Jackson and I think I think Ted pointing out that

450
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Speaker 3: Jac came back from that injury, when he came back

451
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Speaker 3: very early and didn't look the same, I think, is

452
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Speaker 3: I guess a good sign. Although this this injury that

453
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Speaker 3: he sustained after he came back, it is really brutal,

454
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Speaker 3: but the fact that we definitely weren't getting the Jac

455
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Speaker 3: Jackson that we saw in New England mainly or or

456
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Speaker 3: completely because he just was not healthy, I guess kind

457
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 3: of is a good thing and something optimistic because this

458
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Speaker 3: whole off season, if you can come back healthy and

459
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Speaker 3: be healthy week one, a week five or whenever he

460
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Speaker 3: joined the team, the Charges could be really really good

461
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Speaker 3: on defense.

462
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Speaker 2: And I hope they're really really good this year.

463
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Speaker 4: Man.

464
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's you know, the hype and hope for the

465
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Speaker 1: offense has kind of been there obviously since Kellen Moore

466
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Speaker 1: got hired, but it's it's been a pretty pessimistic offseason

467
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Speaker 1: for the defense, and so I think maybe some of

468
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Speaker 1: that's starting to build back up a little bit. Hopefully

469
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Speaker 1: talking to Ted and that interview helped you guys gain

470
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Speaker 1: some optimism as well. I think for me, you know,

471
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Speaker 1: and this is something that I've kind of you know,

472
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Speaker 1: gone back and forth with just watching the Cowboys offense

473
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Speaker 1: is you know, I think the real strength of Kellen

474
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Speaker 1: Moore and Brandon Staley. I think we can see them

475
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Speaker 1: aligning pretty frequently, and that's their ability to come in

476
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Speaker 1: and take a game plan and really adapted to whoever

477
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Speaker 1: they are playing against. And that's not really something we

478
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Speaker 1: saw much of. It was generally a lot of like,

479
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Speaker 1: we're gonna do what we do on offense, and that's

480
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Speaker 1: just gonna work, and we're gonna have Justin Herbert, you know,

481
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Speaker 1: be Justin Herbert, and we're going to score points. You know,

482
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Speaker 1: if you watch the Cowboys offense on a week to

483
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Speaker 1: week base the last four seasons under Kellen Moore, they

484
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Speaker 1: might head into one game and they're gonna air it

485
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Speaker 1: out and Dak's gonna throw it at fifty five sixty times.

486
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Speaker 1: The next week, you know, you see Zeke at twenty five,

487
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Speaker 1: carries Tony Pollard fifteen and they're just gonna go run heavy.

488
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Speaker 1: And I watched that from the twenty nineteen season. You know,

489
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Speaker 1: I watched them play against the Packers and Zeke barely

490
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Speaker 1: had any touches and it was.

491
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Speaker 2: All Dak and it was all you know, airing it out.

492
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Speaker 1: And it was a lot of fun to watch. It

493
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Speaker 1: was and then you watch them a couple of weeks

494
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Speaker 1: later against the Giants and it was like every other

495
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Speaker 1: play was you know, we're just gonna run at you

496
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Speaker 1: and you can't stop us. So the ability that Kellen

497
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Speaker 1: Moore has to specifically game plan, I think is something

498
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Speaker 1: that charge fans will be really happy about. And Ted

499
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: pointed that out a little bit as well.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I love hearing that. I'm glad you're going back

501
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Speaker 3: to watch the film. Whether it's offense or defense, maybe

502
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Speaker 3: one of these undrafted free agents can help out.

503
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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. All right, good transition there, by the way,

504
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Speaker 1: well done. All Right, so we have I'm not gonna

505
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Speaker 1: lie I haven't watched film on all these undrafted free agents.

506
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,879
Speaker 1: I've gotten to nine of them, so well, you know,

507
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,479
Speaker 1: there's some that I think are just have an extra

508
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: long shot just based off of the positions that they play.

509
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Speaker 1: But we're gonna highlight five undrafted free agents that we

510
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,720
Speaker 1: feel have a legitimate chance to make this roster. And

511
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Speaker 1: this is not necessarily like a power ranking, like we're

512
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Speaker 1: not gonna sit here and say like so and so

513
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Speaker 1: is better than so and so. But this is you know,

514
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Speaker 1: talking about players who have a legitimate chance to make

515
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Speaker 1: this roster. You know, there's some definitely some debate. I

516
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Speaker 1: think here's some good players who can fit into some

517
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Speaker 1: roles that you know, sometimes there's some surprises, like I

518
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 1: don't think anybody really had Roderick Teamer making the Chargers roster.

519
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: But you know, sometimes you just have a role and

520
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,280
Speaker 1: that role fits into a position of needs. So, Tyler,

521
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Speaker 1: who do you think of this undrafted free agent class

522
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Speaker 1: has the best chance of making this roster?

523
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Speaker 3: The best chance would be Geron Clark from Coastal Carolina.

524
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Speaker 2: He's a big guy.

525
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Speaker 3: Everyone knows that Chargers fans are very excited about him

526
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,399
Speaker 3: and just going through what granted this is national media,

527
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Speaker 3: but the way that he was scouted in the draft

528
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Speaker 3: grades put on him. You look at the Bleacher Report,

529
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Speaker 3: they had a fifth round grade. Damian Parson, our guy

530
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Speaker 3: at the Draft Network, I believe had a third round

531
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Speaker 3: grade on him. Zer Line from NFL dot Com had

532
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Speaker 3: a fifth round grade on him. So I'm not saying

533
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Speaker 3: that this is a first round player that fought of

534
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Speaker 3: the Chargers as an undrafted free agent, but a draftable

535
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Speaker 3: player and at least early in the on Day three,

536
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Speaker 3: and they got him as an undrafted free agent, and

537
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Speaker 3: I think more than anything else.

538
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Speaker 2: You know, whether I think he's better than.

539
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Speaker 3: Some of these other undrafted free agents at his position,

540
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Speaker 3: that's a debate, But you're talking about who is maybe

541
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Speaker 3: more likely to make the team. It really comes down

542
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Speaker 3: to the position that he plays and the openings that

543
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Speaker 3: could be there, because there's no other spot on this

544
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Speaker 3: team where you can project potentially two openings in front

545
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Speaker 3: of this player. Now granted that doesn't mean that he's

546
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Speaker 3: the next in line. It could be hinting, it could

547
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Speaker 3: be Terrence Lane, could be you know, anybody else, But

548
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 3: there are potentially going to be two openings to start

549
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 3: the season, not by the end of the year, but

550
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 3: with Austin Johnson being hurt as health up in the air.

551
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 3: O titawg Bone, I think we know even less about

552
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 3: him and his injury. I think Jirod Clark, with what

553
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 3: he can do, what he can bring, his draft pedigree,

554
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 3: his background, and the fact there's two openings in front

555
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 3: of him, I think he's most likely to make the roster,

556
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Speaker 3: and even just the last two seasons, right, they've the

557
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 3: Chargers are very fluid with their defensive tackle spot to

558
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,480
Speaker 3: start the season. They like to, you know, if one

559
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 3: guy balls out in the preseason, they'd like to have

560
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 3: that player make the initial roster and then once you know,

561
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,480
Speaker 3: all the cuts happen and the waiver period goes through,

562
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Speaker 3: then maybe they cut that player and.

563
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Speaker 2: They go to the practice squad.

564
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Speaker 3: So in twenty twenty one, if it's Forrest Merril, in

565
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Two, it was Brandon Fojoco.

567
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Speaker 3: So if Jerrod Clark's balls out in the preseason in

568
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Speaker 3: training camp, I could see them doing the same thing.

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Speaker 2: So to me, Jirod Clark. You know, again, whether I

570
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Speaker 2: think he's.

571
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 3: Better or worse or whatever than their players, it's a

572
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: whole different thing. But he has the easiest opportunity and

573
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Speaker 3: chance to make the roster.

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Speaker 1: Think yeah, And I think his skill set obviously does

575
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Speaker 1: lend itself towards filling a position of need for the Chargers,

576
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Speaker 1: depending on health. Like you mentioned, you know, I think

577
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: statistically you can point out, you know, Gerald Clark had

578
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: sixteen run stops in twenty twenty one. He had nineteen

579
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Speaker 1: this past year in twenty twenty two. And the good

580
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: thing there is that his run stop percentage actually increased

581
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Speaker 1: by almost three whole points from twenty twenty two to

582
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Speaker 1: or excuse me, twenty twenty one to twenty twenty two.

583
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Speaker 1: His eight point zero percent run stop percentage was twelve

584
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Speaker 1: best in the country last year of players who were

585
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Speaker 1: draft eligible in twenty twenty three, So he was right

586
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Speaker 1: next to Gervon Dexter, who I know you liked in

587
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: this draft. For what it's worth, Scott Mattlocker. The Chargers

588
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 1: did draft, although different skill sets. He was at six

589
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: point seven, but he did have twenty four total run stops.

590
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Speaker 1: So you look at the guys on this list who

591
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: were maybe drafted ahead of him. Ska Siaki Eco was

592
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: at six point six percent, Byron Young from Alabama six

593
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Speaker 1: point five percent. So it just kind of shows you

594
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Speaker 1: the kind of player that he can be, you know,

595
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Speaker 1: for a potential defense and you're looking at a three

596
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Speaker 1: to four scheme that is a little bit more versatile

597
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: up front than I think people are, you know, usually

598
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Speaker 1: thinking like I think the days of like a true

599
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: stereotypical nose tackle are kind of done with, Like there

600
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Speaker 1: really aren't that many guys out there, But that's what

601
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Speaker 1: Rod Clark can be he can eat of space at

602
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Speaker 1: the nose, and I think the nice thing there is

603
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: that can free up Sebastian Joseph Day and Austin Johnson

604
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Speaker 1: and whoever else is healthy to really focus in on

605
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Speaker 1: playing the three tech role the five tech role. And

606
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Speaker 1: we saw with Bratain Foco's emergence down the stretch last

607
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: year that a lot that freedom for Sebastian Joseph Day

608
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Speaker 1: really allowed him to kind of get back to his

609
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: former self too.

610
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Speaker 3: Yeah, do you have him ahead of I think you're

611
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 3: not talking about like ahead of behind, but like Terrence

612
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 3: Lang is the other guy that could make it.

613
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Speaker 2: We're talking about two injuries.

614
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Speaker 3: But do you have girod Clark ahead of Terrence Long

615
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 3: because they did Lang, because the difference in them is

616
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Speaker 3: like fifty pounds, two completely different kinds of players, different

617
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Speaker 3: roles on the team.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So Terrence Lang from Colorado, for those who don't know,

619
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Speaker 1: he kind of played in like the three three five

620
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Speaker 1: defense that's super prevalent in college football. So he was

621
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Speaker 1: a quote unquote edge rusher for Colorado. But the Chargers

622
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Speaker 1: do have him listed as a defensive lineman. I think

623
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Speaker 1: he's more pigeonholed into playing and inside defensive end, you know,

624
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Speaker 1: kind of a similar role as like Morgan Fox who

625
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Speaker 1: can occasionally kick outside. You know, Terrence Lang. I think,

626
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Speaker 1: for for me, I would have graded Terrence Lang higher

627
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Speaker 1: than I would have graded Gerrod Clark Personally. I think

628
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Speaker 1: Terrence Lang just gives you a bit more speed presence.

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Speaker 1: I think it gives you a bit more polish in

630
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Speaker 1: the hand usage. Because Gerard Clark, I think he's a

631
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: space eater, but he like I think he can improve

632
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Speaker 1: with his hands. I think he can improve with his

633
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: his pad level two. Terence Lang was a six year

634
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: player in college, was a very common theme in the

635
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: draft this year. So Terrence Sing, I think has a

636
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: bit more polished to him, and so I think there

637
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Speaker 1: can be a role for Terrence Sing. I think he's

638
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: kind of what happened behind Chris Hinton in terms of

639
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: like jocking for a position there. But I think there

640
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 1: is a role for Terrence saying, because he he's an

641
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Speaker 1: inside defensive end who his strength is defending the run.

642
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: So we're talking about a lot of run defense guys today.

643
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Speaker 1: But you look at his statistics this past year in

644
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: college at Colorado, he was fourteenth in run stop percentage

645
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Speaker 1: at eight point seven percent, you know among edge rushers,

646
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: so it's a little different kind of projecting there. But

647
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Speaker 1: you know a lot of guys who were drafted much

648
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: earlier than him, who were touted as like run defense guys.

649
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Speaker 1: You know, Keon White was at seven point one one percent,

650
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Speaker 1: Isaiah Fovsky was from Notre Dame was at six point

651
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: seven percent. So this is a real strength of Terrence

652
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: Ling's and I don't think there's a ton of projection

653
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 1: in that regard for him to carve out of a

654
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: potential role on early downs pass rushing is a bit

655
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: of a work in progress. He does have, you know,

656
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: kind of a speed to power package to him, but

657
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: there's not a whole lot of countering off of that.

658
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: But great length, great first step, and then he's just

659
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: kind of a bowl in a china shop as a

660
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 1: run defender too. So I like Laying more, but I

661
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: think he's he's kind of down the pecking order than

662
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: Gerard Clark would be because drag Clark plays a role that

663
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,479
Speaker 1: the Chargers don't really have a lot of options behind

664
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: Austin Johnson and Otto Ammonia.

665
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 3: Yep, I agree with you there, and I can't wait

666
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 3: to see this guy play. He's got thirty four point

667
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 3: seventy five inch arms, which is a little bit longer

668
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 3: than Sebastian Joseph Day's arms and the chargers in Brendan's

669
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 3: Daily Jay Rodgers. These guys alreadly do covet that length,

670
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 3: so hopefully it pays off.

671
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, for what it's worth, I would put Terrence Lang

672
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: in my top five of likely to make it. I

673
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 1: would have him at five, though I agree I think

674
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:11,719
Speaker 1: GEORDD Clark is the most likely to make it. Second.

675
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: For me, I was really surprised by this guy when

676
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: I watched his tape earlier this week. And that's AJ

677
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: Finley from Ole Miss. We know the Charters have a

678
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: need at safety. Sounds like you like him too, and

679
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: I think me and you are high on Raheem Lane

680
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: than general consensus among Charters fans. But I think AJ

681
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: Finley can just give them a little bit something different

682
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 1: that they don't really have. I think you have, obviously Drwan,

683
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: who can do everything. I think a low he's kind

684
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: of your your box safety run defender guy. I think

685
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: JT in an ideal world can be kind of your

686
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: center fielder. But I was really impressed with AJ Finley

687
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: when he would match up one on one, when he

688
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: would match coverages. I thought his instincts in that regard

689
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: were fantastic, and I think that was kind of something

690
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: we liked about Mark Webb initially when he had, you know,

691
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: his great first training camp as a rookie. You haven't

692
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: seen it come to fruition in the regular season yet,

693
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: but AJ Finley as a pass defender, I think has

694
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: a really really high IQ. That's something we know that

695
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: Brandon stately really values in this defense. Ronaldo Hill's talked

696
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: about it, Derek Ansley has talked about it. The ability

697
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,239
Speaker 1: to see things happening in front of them. I think

698
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: there are some limits athletically with him. He's not like

699
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 1: the quickest to break on the ball, but just in

700
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: terms of like positioning, matching routes, making players on the football,

701
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: I thought AJ Finley was outstanding in those regards. So

702
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: he will be second behind Gerrod Clark for me.

703
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, he made my top five.

704
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 3: Just watched him earlier this week and you took everything

705
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 3: that I possibly could have said about him, and it

706
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 3: really does come down to, like we're talking about roster

707
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 3: projections here, you know, is there an opportunity for him,

708
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 3: and while I think that the safety room is sort

709
00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 3: of crowded, there's that last spot that really isn't I

710
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 3: do think Raheem Lane is the front runner, then Mark Webb,

711
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 3: then Finley, but I don't think any of those two

712
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 3: guys in front.

713
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 2: Of him are so irreplaceable.

714
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 3: Again, I think Raheem Lane makes the roster. But watching

715
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,720
Speaker 3: AJ Finley, you know, with his production at ole Miss,

716
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 3: what he's able to do, what he shows in coverage,

717
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 3: like you talked about, there were moments where I'm like,

718
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 3: are you sure he's not going to be a corner?

719
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 3: Like I almost thought that he could just convert to

720
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 3: corner rather than be a safety and do.

721
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 2: Really well there.

722
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 3: So I think that there's an uphill battle. Of course,

723
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,479
Speaker 3: I think because Rahem Lane was a corner, he can cover.

724
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 3: Mark Webb We've seen he can cover, So there is

725
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 3: definite an uphill battle there.

726
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 2: But A. J. Finley is really really talented. He made

727
00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:38,439
Speaker 2: my top five as well.

728
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I was surprised with you know how

729
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: much I liked an ole Miss safety. It's not usually

730
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: therefore too, although obviously the charges are pretty familiar with

731
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 1: him and his game because they drafted Dean Leonard last year,

732
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: so you know, I'm sure that they watched a lot

733
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 1: of AJ Finley too, So I think he's a willing

734
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: run defender. I don't think it's necessarily his strong suit.

735
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: So that's kind of like I think the area that

736
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: he really needs to focus in on if he's going

737
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 1: to make this team special team is going to play

738
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: a huge role there. So you know, that's kind of

739
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: like the layout that I think where he Laane has

740
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,879
Speaker 1: over the other guys. But you know, like you said,

741
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: it's not enough of an advantage for him that he's

742
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 1: like the clear cut safety for although me and you

743
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: are probably higher on him than most all right, Tyler,

744
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: who would be next on the list for you.

745
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 3: So we've talked about him before, But that's mikey Zeke

746
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 3: the tight end from UCLA again, Opportunity Daniel Popper had

747
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 3: the Chargers carrying four tight ends this year. Whether that

748
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 3: happens or not, I don't know, but the Chargers certainly

749
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 3: could use more development at tight end, get someone in

750
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 3: the room to continue to develop, but he had stone

751
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 3: Smart making it and for right now, yes, I do

752
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 3: think stone Smart is ahead of Mike Zeke. I think

753
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 3: anyone who was on the team is ahead of most

754
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 3: undrafted free agents. But I think Isekey what he did

755
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 3: or what he can do as a converted you know,

756
00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 3: wide receiver to tight end. As he continues to grow

757
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 3: and literally because he's bulking up to play tight end,

758
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 3: get bigger, get stronger, etc. As he learns more of

759
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 3: the ins and outs of that, I do think that

760
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 3: he can start pushing for that tight end four spot.

761
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 3: I think they have to keep four tight ends for

762
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: him to make it, but I do think he can

763
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 3: push for that spot because I think Stone Smart is

764
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 3: right now the better receiver, another converted player from quarterback,

765
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 3: so I do think he's a better receiving option right now.

766
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 3: But Azeki is very good in that regard as well,

767
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 3: and if he can hold it as a blocker, that's

768
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 3: going to be huge. We're talking about all these guys

769
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 3: need to contribute on special teams, and I think if

770
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 3: Azeky can show that he is the better blocker and

771
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,720
Speaker 3: also that's the charges just need that on offense anyway,

772
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 3: I think he has a nice shot to make the roster.

773
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do too. I think the offense is really

774
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,680
Speaker 1: going to focus in on yards after catch when it

775
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: comes to this tight end room, maybe outside of Gerald Everett,

776
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: and I think that is a strong suit of mikey Ezeki.

777
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: So I think you even Jason in twenty nineteen. I

778
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: was watching the Cowboys twenty nineteen offense and Jason wentten

779
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: was getting yards after catch opportunities left and right. I

780
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, I don't know if I'd be doing

781
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: that personally, but you know, it is what it is.

782
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: So I think Azeke can come in and fit that role.

783
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: I think if you look at his numbers, like his

784
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: efficiency on a per touch basis was really outstanding. He

785
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: averaged six point six yards after catch per reception, which

786
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: was ninth of any draft eligible tight end this past season.

787
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: He was ahead of Sam Laporta, He was ahead of

788
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 1: Dalton Kincaid, he was ahead of lou scoon Maker, Josh Wiley,

789
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: all guys who were drafted. You look at his yards

790
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: per route run though, that's that's kind of a UCLA

791
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 1: thing because he wasn't targeted a whole lot, but his

792
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 1: average death of target was eight point five. So he's

793
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: somebody who can you know, work the middle of the field.

794
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: He can stretch defenses. Vertically. He can give you yards

795
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: after catch and space. So I think he's He's an

796
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: intriguing prospect for me the tight end room, like you mentioned,

797
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: I think they would have to keep four. You know,

798
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: they might sign somebody else. So I was I was

799
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 1: a little hesitant to put a Zeke in my top five.

800
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 1: So for me, he was just outside of it, but

801
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: definitely worth talking about because I do think that he

802
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: could come in and and fill a role and give

803
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: them another target who can provide some some intriguing athletic traits.

804
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:18,959
Speaker 2: Who else is on your list?

805
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,239
Speaker 1: So I think there is a world in which one

806
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: of these receivers makes this team, and I think this

807
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: has to be Pokey Wilson, not Williams got it right

808
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: that time, So I think Pokey Wilson can give them

809
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: some things that they that the other guys behind him

810
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: don't necessarily have. I think you look at body types.

811
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 1: I think Pokey Wilson and Tell Buying them are are

812
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 1: kind of similar body types, but the skill sets are

813
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: are very different. I think Pokey Wilson can give you

814
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,440
Speaker 1: some more versatility. I actually really liked what he was

815
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: able to do with the ball in his hands. Again,

816
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: potential yards after catching this offense, I think is crucial.

817
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,360
Speaker 1: The stuff that we've seen from OTAs and stuff like

818
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: that has mostly been him as an outside receiver. But

819
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,800
Speaker 1: I do think his best work comes as a slot

820
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: option for me. I don't know if you feel that way,

821
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 1: but I think his speed is not necessarily you know,

822
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: high end. I think he's more quick than fast, but

823
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: I think he can give them some flexibility with the

824
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: slot and I think he can give them some versatility

825
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: in terms of like being a jet sweep guy. I

826
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: think he can be, you know, a jump ball guy

827
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: in the red zone if he wants to. So I

828
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,959
Speaker 1: think Poke Wilson is just kind of the most well

829
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: rounded receiver of these undrafted guys. And I do think

830
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: that he would be number three on my list for me.

831
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's actually number three on my list as well,

832
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 3: So there you go. And I do agree that he

833
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 3: is more quick than fast, and like he literally is

834
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 3: more quick than fast his forty time. Granted, that's not

835
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 3: everything we've talked about. You know, gpis tracking data with

836
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 3: Tom Telesco. But he does run a four to six,

837
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 3: so he's not like a burner on the team, and.

838
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 2: That's why he's third right now.

839
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: I could see him being first or even second if

840
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 3: he a bit faster, or if the Charges didn't have

841
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 3: someone like high Tower in front of him. So you know,

842
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 3: it's a crowded room for sure, and I think there's

843
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 3: a lot of guys who can do a lot of

844
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 3: great things for this receiving core room. He just unfortunately

845
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 3: lands on a team this year that has their most

846
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 3: well rounded receiving core room in the past decade.

847
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, we'll see what happens here. Obviously. I

848
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: think if Jalen Giton's healthy, then I think Poke Wilson,

849
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: you know, moves down my list. But we just don't know.

850
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: We haven't really seen or heard much of an update

851
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: about Jalen gan recently, and so until we know there,

852
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: I think one of these receivers does have to at

853
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: least be mentioned.

854
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

855
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 3: I'll go with one more name before we get out

856
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 3: of here, and that is Tyler Husman, the running back

857
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 3: from North Dakota. I think he might follow in the

858
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 3: tradition of let's see Brandon Oliver, Detrez Newsome, Kenneth Farrow,

859
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 3: Austin Eckler, all these running backs who is undrafted, free

860
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 3: aging guys who make the roster, and I think that well,

861
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 3: First of all, Tyler Husman has an elite first name,

862
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 3: No bias there.

863
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 2: He just has a really good first name.

864
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 3: But if you compare actual football stuff, if you compare

865
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Speaker 3: relative athletic scores, he would be the second most athletic

866
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Speaker 3: running back, behind Austin Eckler and ahead of Joshua Kelly,

867
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Speaker 3: not by much, but the charges room isn't like the

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Speaker 3: most dynamic athletically, so him being the second most athletic

869
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 3: by that score, would you know help? He definitely broke

870
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 3: off after transferring to North Dakota from Northern Iowa. He

871
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,280
Speaker 3: averaged five point eight yards per carry over one thousand yards,

872
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 3: twelve touchdowns on just one hundred and seventy five attempts.

873
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 3: What I do really like and what I think helps

874
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 3: translate to special teams, is that he blocks really well.

875
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 3: He blocks with aggressiveness, He runs hard in the red zone.

876
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 3: There were no fumbles last year, no drops, So I

877
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 3: really think in that regard, you know, catching Ryan Fickens eye,

878
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: he's competing with Larry Roundtree for that fourth spot. Now

879
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 3: is there going to be a fourth spot? I don't know,

880
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 3: but obviously they did carry four last year, they did

881
00:42:57,000 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 3: have Larry Roundtree on the team, So I do think

882
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 3: someone like Who'sman, who's a bit bigger than Dotson, can

883
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 3: kind of have that role potentially.

884
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not really sure.

885
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 3: How much of a space there is for a fourth

886
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 3: running back, but if Xander Horvath is not a big

887
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 3: part of Kellen Moore's plans, then I could see Who'sman

888
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,240
Speaker 3: starting as one of those wings on kickoff opposite Joshua Kelly.

889
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 3: Ryan Ficken tries to have, you know, more of those

890
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 3: running back fullback types, where as we saw with Swinton

891
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 3: it was you know, Chris Rumf out there and some

892
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: other player I can't remember. So if they want to

893
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,479
Speaker 3: go that route, he could definitely make it that way.

894
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 3: And I was talking to actually talk to Who'sman earlier

895
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 3: today and he's sharing about his journey from from Northern

896
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 3: Iowa to North Dakota.

897
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 2: He wanted to get somewhere where he.

898
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 3: Wasn't in that running back by committee so he could

899
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 3: really show off what he could do as a lead back,

900
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 3: you know, gain that confidence, develop those skills, that sort

901
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 3: of thing. And he really did get to showcase that

902
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,839
Speaker 3: even though he wasn't like a three hundred carry back

903
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:57,359
Speaker 3: like I'm sure Bijon was still one hundred and seventy

904
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 3: five carries.

905
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 2: I think twenty two out of twenty.

906
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 3: Three targets were caught for him, so obviously he made

907
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 3: the Chargers, so things worked out for him.

908
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: He's got a lot to learn, you know, a lot

909
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 2: to develop.

910
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 3: This is a player who hasn't had a ton of action,

911
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:13,280
Speaker 3: but he's certainly working on that. I guess with running

912
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 3: backs coach Derek Foster, he's working on pre snap and

913
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 3: post snap, you know, defensive recognition because you know, all

914
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 3: these guys are bigger, faster, stronger, they've played in the

915
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: league for several years, or they're just super talented.

916
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 2: So he's working on that.

917
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 3: He's working on explosiveness out of his cuts, working on getting.

918
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: Faster, which is great.

919
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 3: I'd love our very fast running back on this team

920
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 3: if we can get one. But he's really looking forward

921
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 3: to bringing his downhill running style to the team, which

922
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 3: is something that could complement Austin Eckler.

923
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,879
Speaker 2: So I think there's a world where.

924
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 3: Maybe the Chargers don't have four right away, but he

925
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 3: could work under the roster because of special teams and

926
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 3: because the Chargers do need to prepare for the vacuum

927
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 3: and then the empty space that will occur when guys

928
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 3: like Austin Eckler, when guys like Joshua Kelly projecting for

929
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 3: now who knows, but the contracts are up right, so

930
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 3: at some point they're going to need to find some

931
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,239
Speaker 3: other guys to work in here. I'm not saying that

932
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 3: he's going to start for Austin Eckler next season, but

933
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,280
Speaker 3: I do think he's someone that could catch Ryan Fickens's

934
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 3: eye and work his way onto the roster, either early

935
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 3: on or at some point during the season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would love to see that because I think

937
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: Joshua Kelly, like I, I think he's a good special teamer,

938
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Speaker 1: but I want him focusing on offense. Like I think

939
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 1: there is a need for, you know, some somebody to

940
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: emerge and take that off of his plate. Maybe that's

941
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 1: Isaiah Spiller this year, we don't know, but I think

942
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: Joshua Kelly is going to be super important on offense

943
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 1: and they're gonna need somebody to take some off of

944
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 1: his special team's plate. So I'd love to see that

945
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: just quickly. I think Tilin Mullen is worth mentioning. The

946
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 1: former cornerback from Indiana. Pretty similar profile to joss Er

947
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: Taylor in terms of his size, speed, slot flexibility. One

948
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: of my favorite things about him is actually his work

949
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: as a blitzer. I think that's a fantastic role for

950
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: him and maybe a way for him to distinguish himself.

951
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: So wanted to at least mention him briefly. I think

952
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: he could be maybe a little redundant with the all

953
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: of the things that need to happen at slots. I

954
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 1: think that's where he's probably best projected in the NFL.

955
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 1: But maybe there's you know, there's a world where Jaeer

956
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,200
Speaker 1: Taylor is a starter and less of a special teams player.

957
00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: Maybe Tilon Wollan can kind of take that over from him.

958
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: So think I think Tilon wollen is worth mentioning. I

959
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: didn't know this earlier, but the younger brother of trayvon Mullen,

960
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 1: formerly of the Las Vegas Raiders. So oh NFL blood lines.

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Speaker 1: I guess there.

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Speaker 3: I guess I could have made that connection. Sometimes it's like, oh, yeah, duh,

963
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 3: how do I not put that together? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: So awesome.

965
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, the dB room is so tough to crack, particularly

966
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,240
Speaker 3: if you're looking at corner like where do these guys

967
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 3: fit in? But I guess like if maybe Jasey's not healthy,

968
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,439
Speaker 3: then maybe there's a spot. But is that keem On Hall.

969
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 3: It's kind of tough to break into that one.

970
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, all right, great conversations today with Ted and Wynn.

971
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Speaker 1: Great undrafted free Asian conversation. Hopefully you guys are getting

972
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Speaker 1: excited for training camp obviously, that's kind of the goal

973
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Speaker 1: of these episodes. It's kind of ramp up that excitement

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Speaker 1: as we get closer and closer to football. So appreciate

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Speaker 1: everybody for tuning in, specially thanks again to Ted for

976
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Speaker 1: joining us. Thanks to Greg Kim for producing the show today.

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Speaker 1: Make sure subscribe to the channel here and our own

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Speaker 1: The Guiltiest Charge podcast really have some other content throughout

979
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Speaker 1: the rest of the lead up towards training camp, so Tyler,

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Speaker 1: appreciate you as well. That's going to do it for

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Speaker 1: us today. We'll see you guys next time, and as always,

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Speaker 1: bolt up.