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Speaker 1: The emergency you have with emergency, our daughter is not

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Speaker 1: First of all, Crime Online dot com investigative reporter, also

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Speaker 1: night before Tory had thrown up on the way to church,

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Speaker 1: but then after that they went home, she had no

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Speaker 1: real issues, that she went to sleep. Then the next

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Speaker 1: she and her husband. This defendant and her husband were

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Speaker 1: home alone with the child and the other four boys.

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Speaker 1: It's dependent to two other biological children, Tory's brothers. She

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Speaker 1: outlined the police that Tory started as her judge and

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Speaker 1: that the code offending filled up the tubs all the time.

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Speaker 1: That's all a lie. Crime stories With Nancy Grace, we

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Speaker 1: were talking about the brutal beating death. I'm not a

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Speaker 1: medical examiner, but I know that's what this was. Of

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Speaker 1: a three year old little angel girl now dead and

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Speaker 1: the nine one one call you here, daddy, claiming she

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Speaker 1: drank too much water and died. Then you hear him

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Speaker 1: say she was coughing on water. Choking on water but

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Speaker 1: not coughing. It gets worse and worse and worse. You

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Speaker 1: just heard that the so called mother said. The little girl,

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Speaker 1: the lead detective has to say our cut thirteen. The

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Speaker 1: lead detective on the scene, investigator Scott mcgauge, began to

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Speaker 1: that get there? As to the abdominal injuries, this defended stated,

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Speaker 1: quote I did that, And then she also said, quote

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Speaker 1: body of book legs. Mis Deefendant ben stated that the

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Speaker 1: had caused those injuries. The officer asked what a seven

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Speaker 1: year old possibly used to cause such axtreme brusing and

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Speaker 1: Miste Benet stated, who pick up any thing? Hit him?

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Speaker 1: And now you hear the so called mom and dad

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Speaker 1: blaming the bio brothers also being adopted into this family

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Speaker 1: to the victims biological aunt, Michelle Herbs. Now we hear

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Speaker 1: them blaming her brothers for beating her dead. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: that makes me really angry because the one that they

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Speaker 1: blamed he is probably the sweetest, most docile, loving child

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Speaker 1: ever and he would never I've never seen him raise

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Speaker 1: a hand to anyone in anger at all, ever, And

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Speaker 1: honestly and truly, he's seven years old. He's not strong

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Speaker 1: enough to cause as much damage as stun to Victoria.

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Speaker 1: And if he was hitting her, why didn't they step in?

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Speaker 1: These people are two hundred three hundred pounds each. You

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Speaker 1: can't tell me they can't stop of seven year old.

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Speaker 1: And that brings to mind Daphne Young, national Chief of

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Speaker 1: Course communications officer with Childhelp dot Org. You know, when

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Speaker 1: John Benet went missing and people insisted that the brother

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Speaker 1: was responsible for her death, that never made sense to me. Statistically,

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Speaker 1: that is extremely rare, very rare. I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: look at the brother Burke, he was pale and thin

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Speaker 1: and frail looking. John Benet looked like she had so

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Speaker 1: much life to her she could have probably snapped him

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Speaker 1: in half. I never understood people's claims of sibling murder.

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Speaker 1: It's statistically highly unlikely. Same thing here. I don't believe

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Speaker 1: that for one minute plus that morning, according to them,

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Speaker 1: she's sitting at the breakfast table eating pancakes. And I

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Speaker 1: want to point now she says the brothers were at

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Speaker 1: school at the time, and that she chokes on water,

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Speaker 1: drinks too much water. But now they're trying to blame

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Speaker 1: the brothers that were at school. It's crazy, Nancy. And

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Speaker 1: I'm first of all, Michelle, I'm so sorry to hear

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Speaker 1: your tears and to have you sit here and participate

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Speaker 1: and listen. And I know that you're speaking on behalf

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Speaker 1: of Tory Rose, and we so appreciate you being here

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Speaker 1: and sharing your heart. You know, this blaming of the

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Speaker 1: little brother, it shows a pattern of manipulation at these

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Speaker 1: quote unquote parents, as you say, not parents at all.

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Speaker 1: The perpetrators had a history of this manipulation, showing a

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Speaker 1: beautiful face of friends and family and love to the

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Speaker 1: cameras and then behind the scenes. It sounds like a

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Speaker 1: house of horrors. That brings me to another question. Doctor

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Speaker 1: gen Man, family therapist, host of The Doctor Gin Show

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Speaker 1: and Serious XM, author of the relationship fakes. I could

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Speaker 1: go on and on, doctor jan Why do people lie

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Speaker 1: so much on Facebook? Well, I think that people try

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Speaker 1: to present a picture perfect story. They try to be

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Speaker 1: you know, some people try to be inspirational and some

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Speaker 1: people try to be aspirational. And it seems like these

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Speaker 1: they're presenting on Facebook that they are these lovely churchgoing

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Speaker 1: people who are learning to cook on TV and like,

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Speaker 1: you know, being parents, and the truth is that they

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Speaker 1: were abusers, and that they were fostering and adopting children

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Speaker 1: and beating them and harming them, and that there was

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Speaker 1: something tragically horrifically wrong with this Facebook picture. You know.

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Speaker 1: To Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red Flags on

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Speaker 1: Amazon host Today, doctor Wendy KCBQ, all of these Facebook

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Speaker 1: photos of the little girl smiling but covered in bruises,

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Speaker 1: all of that can come in at trial as similar transactions,

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Speaker 1: proof of course of conduct, mmodus operandi, frame of mind,

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Speaker 1: bent of mind to show this little girl and probably

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Speaker 1: her brothers had all been beaten the whole time they

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Speaker 1: were in this foster family. Yeah, that's true, Nancy. You know,

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Speaker 1: the puzzling saying about the Facebook's photos is most of

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Speaker 1: us consider Facebook to be a highlights reel. It's an

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Speaker 1: airbrushed version of reality that intentionally seeks to portray families, relationships,

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Speaker 1: and as good of a light as possible. To have

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Speaker 1: photos on Facebook of bruising is completely puzzling, because yes,

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Speaker 1: it would be something that would be admissible. On the

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Speaker 1: other hand, is it also going to be then used

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Speaker 1: by the defenses some kind of evidence of obviously nothing

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Speaker 1: was going on, or they wouldn't have posted it on Facebook.

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Speaker 1: You know, you and I have seen this go both

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Speaker 1: ways in terms of something being exculpatory and inflammatory, depending

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Speaker 1: on the argument used to explain why and the worldly

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Speaker 1: photos were online to begin with, Guys, take a listen

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Speaker 1: to our cut fifteen. This is the prosecutor Christie can

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Speaker 1: knock her Sastovich. Listen what she has to say. Several

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Speaker 1: days after the arrest of both of these dependent judge

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Speaker 1: mister Robinson's the turn contacting the state and so that

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Speaker 1: his point wished to make a statement. Austin Robinson told

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Speaker 1: police that he had not physically ever heard Tory, but

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Speaker 1: the this defendant would quote space and beat her with

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Speaker 1: different things, including a belt, paddle loop blog or whatever.

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Speaker 1: The interview was two hours and Whybray and Junior run

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Speaker 1: and asked to the actual interest. He stated that this defendant,

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Speaker 1: Tory was the belt that he was outside and he

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Speaker 1: could hear it. He came inside, he saw the bruising

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Speaker 1: and looked at Ariel and said, you'd gone too far.

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Speaker 1: He said that they put Tory in Ason salt bath

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Speaker 1: and he says he went to CBS to try to

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Speaker 1: buy medication fratrility to bring down the bruising. You're on her.

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Speaker 1: Law enforcement did steer surveillance video and it does show

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Speaker 1: Jerry Austin Robinson buying that medication. An one MS was

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Speaker 1: called to the residents roughly around two pm. Jo, So

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Speaker 1: let me understand something. Leavipage Crime online dot Com investigative reporter.

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Speaker 1: They're like two rats on a sinking ship to start

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Speaker 1: biting each other and clawing over each other to survive.

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Speaker 1: One xtra minute, I'm definitely seeing a lot of this,

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Speaker 1: pointing the finger at each other. So am I correct

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Speaker 1: that the father Jerry Robinson as now blaming Ariel Robinson

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Speaker 1: the reality star? Or correct Nancy? Remember in that nine

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Speaker 1: one one call he said she was choking on water. However,

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Speaker 1: two days after that, nine one one called the police

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Speaker 1: them that Ariel Robinson beat the child to death, that

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Speaker 1: she was beating the child that day, and that she

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Speaker 1: of flip flop shoes, whatever she could get her hands on.

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Speaker 1: And another inconsistency that they caught the parents and they

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Speaker 1: tried to blame Victoria's brother for some of the bruising

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Speaker 1: on her. They went to one of the teachers of

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Speaker 1: one of the little boys and they said, is he

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Speaker 1: aggressive like the foster parents are claiming, And the teacher said, no,

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Speaker 1: He's a wonderful kid, very docile, no behavior issues, no aggression.

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Speaker 1: So these foster parents have been caught in a lot

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Speaker 1: of lies, a lot of lies. Guys. Take a listen

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Speaker 1: to our cut eighteen and our friends Cody ALcom and

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Speaker 1: Victoria Carmen at Fox Carolina disturbing new details in the

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Speaker 1: death of three year old Victoria Rose Smith. We have

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Speaker 1: been following her death since it happened on January fourteenth.

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Speaker 1: She was living at home and Sinville with these two

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Speaker 1: foster parents and her brothers. One of those foster parents

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Speaker 1: have gotten a lot of attention because she's a former

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Speaker 1: Food Network star, but a thing more disturbing as the

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Speaker 1: fact she was also a teacher. Her name is Ariel Robinson,

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Speaker 1: and her husband, Jerry's also charged in this case. Both

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Speaker 1: have a charge of homicide by child abuse, and new

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Speaker 1: information about how the young girl died was presented by

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Speaker 1: the prosecutor during Robinson's bond hearing today. Investigators say they

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Speaker 1: found bruises all over her body. They say that Robinson

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Speaker 1: told them Victoria was choking on water at the time,

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Speaker 1: so if she tried to do the hemlock, which caused

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Speaker 1: some of that bruising. But the prosecutor says Robins's husband

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Speaker 1: described a beating with a belt, a beating so bad

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Speaker 1: he says he could hear it outside the home. To

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Speaker 1: Michelle rps, this is a little Toria Rose's aunt. What

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Speaker 1: was your reaction to the bond here when you heard

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Speaker 1: all this evidence. I became very angry with him. I

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Speaker 1: was already angry with him and angry with her, but

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Speaker 1: I got even more angry with him because he didn't

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Speaker 1: stop it. He didn't report it. It was happening all along.

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Speaker 1: He didn't do anything, and I don't know what kind

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Speaker 1: of man that is. He is not a man. He

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Speaker 1: is not a man, He is not a father. He

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Speaker 1: deserves just as much as what she gets. In my opinion,

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Speaker 1: they really do need to go down together. The two

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Speaker 1: need to be tried together for murder and stew in

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Speaker 1: the same pot in front of the jury. The two

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Speaker 1: are still behind bars. After that bell hearing, we wait

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Speaker 1: as just his sun falls. Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing

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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,