1 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ook F Daily with 2 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 1: Me your Girl Danielle Moody pre recording from the home Bunker, Folks, 3 00:00:19,560 --> 00:00:25,639 Speaker 1: I am very, very excited for one of the last 4 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:31,319 Speaker 1: conversations to happen on wok F Daily to be with 5 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: the producer extraordinaire Andrew Marcello, who has been with wok 6 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: F Daily since the very first episode. 7 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:42,319 Speaker 2: I think if I am not. 8 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:49,720 Speaker 1: Correct, and has just been an extraordinary partner for the 9 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 1: last seven years in making this show possible. And yeah, 10 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: I just wanted Andrew for us to be able to 11 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: close it out together. So it's been a journey. It's 12 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: been this, It has been a journey. I started this 13 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: show in response to Donald Trump's first election, thinking that 14 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: it was going to be a blip on America's radar. 15 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: And we're ending the show and he's starting a second 16 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: term in a couple of weeks, which is just wild. 17 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: But tell me first, like, seven years it's a long time. 18 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 2: How do you feel. 19 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 3: I feel like a different person than I was seven 20 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 3: years ago in a lot of ways. I feel like 21 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 3: the show itself has grown so much from where it started. 22 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 3: I'm very proud of where you and where we got 23 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 3: with this show. I wish I could say the same 24 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 3: for the country. 25 00:01:58,600 --> 00:01:58,840 Speaker 2: Sam. 26 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,279 Speaker 3: You know, the show started out, even in the space 27 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 3: that it was in, as a more left wing oriented 28 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 3: or more progressive oriented voice, and I'm fearful that I 29 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,799 Speaker 3: feel a lot of things. I have a lot of 30 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,959 Speaker 3: feelings about how progressive politics have been treated over the 31 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 3: last four years. I think they were starting to become normalized, 32 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 3: and even during the first Trump administration, I felt like, 33 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 3: at least as a form of resistance, they were still 34 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 3: somewhat prominent and being heard. And I think the last 35 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 3: four years in particular have been really disheartening in terms 36 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 3: of the regression that has happened. In some ways, I 37 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 3: wasn't really actually surprised by Trump's reelection because I felt 38 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 3: the forces in society shifting more and more towards the right, 39 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 3: and I'm certain fearful for what's going to come next. 40 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that is right. I wanted to 41 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: be surprised, I think by his reelection. I wanted to 42 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: really believe that the country had progressed and had learned 43 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: write some really hard lessons in his first term, but 44 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: also over the last seven years. And you know, I 45 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: think that one of the villains, if I will say, 46 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: of the wok F daily story, have been the Democrats 47 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: and their messaging or lack thereof, and their desire to 48 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: really appeal to a center that doesn't exist anymore. I've 49 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: been referring to Democrats these days, those the Pelosis and 50 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: the Schumers, as they're basically moderate Republicans. They're what moderate 51 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: Republicans used to be before they all gave their soul 52 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: to the devil and became a of a cult. 53 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 2: Right. 54 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: But I saw so much possibility right in progressivism, and 55 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:16,440 Speaker 1: I thought that for certain, seeing Donald Trump's first term unfold, 56 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: that folks would gather and Democrats would gather people in 57 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: a way to say, like, no, you're deserving of all 58 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: of these things that other industrialized countries have, like universal 59 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: health care right, like childcare taken care of, like you know, 60 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: children outside of the womb, actually having their needs met. 61 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: And it seems as if they have gone in the 62 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: complete opposite direction. What do you make of what you've 63 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 1: seen of Democrats over the last over these last seventy years, 64 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: and like you know, where you saw possibility and where 65 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 1: you have seen disappointment. 66 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 3: I'm going to point to two moments that that really 67 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 3: resonate with me years and years later, and I think 68 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,919 Speaker 3: may resonate with some other people who feel similar to 69 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 3: me years and years later. In June of twenty nineteen, 70 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 3: Joe Biden was speaking to donors at an event at 71 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 3: the Carlisle Hotel in Manhattan, rich wealthy donors, and he 72 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 3: said four words that I will never forget nothing would 73 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 3: fundamentally change if he is elected. Nothing would fundamentally change. 74 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 3: And then I think about I think it was Nevada. 75 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 3: There was some weekend in twenty twenty where Bernie Sanders 76 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 3: had won some Nevada or like multiple states, and I 77 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 3: was so excited. I saw a picture of myself. To 78 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 3: go back a little bit more from I saw a 79 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 3: picture of myself from a Bernie Sanders rally in twenty sixteen, 80 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 3: and the light in my eyes, the hope in my face, 81 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 3: I was like, who is that? So when there was 82 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 3: a what felt like a second chance that weekend, it 83 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 3: was really invigorating and exciting. And then there were a 84 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 3: bunch of backroom deals and I think it was Jim 85 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:27,039 Speaker 3: Clyburn from South Carolina mm YEP said that he would 86 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 3: help Biden and a bunch of people in the primary 87 00:06:30,720 --> 00:06:34,160 Speaker 3: dropped out and put their force behind Biden, and all 88 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 3: of a sudden, it was Joe Biden. 89 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 90 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 3: And what I don't know is that a democratic process. 91 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,920 Speaker 2: I no, it's it's it's not. 92 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: But it has been backroom dealings. I feel like have 93 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: been the way right for so so many decades. This 94 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: is this is how, this is how they have told 95 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,159 Speaker 1: us that politics works and how politics should have worked, 96 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 1: right was. I mean, we were covering this every single 97 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:05,640 Speaker 1: day on Woke a Up. Joe Biden was not my 98 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: first through fifth choice right to be the nominee. 99 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 3: It wasn't winning a lot of states at the time. 100 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: It wasn't winning any states until Clyburn said, no, I'm 101 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: putting South Carolina in his column, which is what he did, 102 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: and then from then on Biden had a clear runway. 103 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,480 Speaker 1: And I think that when the democratic establishment decides to 104 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 1: create these clear runways for the candidate of their choosing 105 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: rather than the candidate of our choosing, that's how people 106 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: lose faith in the process. 107 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 3: Right. I definitely feel like there was a lot of 108 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 3: disengagement over the last four years for a variety of factors. 109 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 3: I think the suppression that occurred in I mean, there 110 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 3: was a lot that happened in twenty twenty. What a year. 111 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 3: But I think the suppression that occurred in twenty twenty 112 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 3: and the response to that by you have me about 113 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 3: how I feel about Democrats, and there was very much 114 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 3: a like, we're going to put more money into police, 115 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 3: and then Republicans had this narrative of like, Democrats are 116 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 3: defunding the police when the opposite was happening, and then Democrats' 117 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 3: response to their defunding the police was to just throw 118 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 3: more money at the police, and which leaves the progressive 119 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 3: position out in the rain. 120 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:26,040 Speaker 1: It never made sense to me that for seven plus 121 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: years that Democrats couldn't figure out how to message around 122 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: Donald Trump, couldn't figure out how to redirect the conversation 123 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: into a narrative that they want. And I think that 124 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: you know, I've had a lot of time to reflect 125 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 1: on Donald Trump's win, his second win, and you know, 126 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: hate to say it, trust me hate to say it, 127 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: but Donald Trump and MAGA for better or for Worse 128 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: created a sense of belonging for a whole group of 129 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: people who we may not have wanted in our tent, 130 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: but by virtue of them not feeling like they had 131 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: a place or a voice anymore. Donald Trump and Maga said, oh, 132 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: come over here, right, the water's great. And at that 133 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 1: same time, you were watching Democrats, right, Oh, we're four 134 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: trans writes, Ooh, people don't seem to like that, so 135 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: we're going. 136 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 2: To back away. Oh we're with black people. 137 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: Ooh, but white people don't seem to like that, so 138 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: we're going to fund the police more. Oh we're So 139 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: there was always this two steps forward twelve steps back 140 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 1: that was happening, where Maga has already has always been 141 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: full steam ahead. 142 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 2: How do you see it? 143 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 3: There's two issues actually in twenty twenty four and this 144 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 3: whole cycle that I have thought about that I felt 145 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 3: that way about, which is the uki spooky specter of crime, 146 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 3: what a nebulous word? And immigration, And I think on crime, 147 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 3: it's so frustrating because crime is like a factual argument. 148 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 3: Like this idea that all of a sudden America's cities 149 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 3: have become criminal wastelands is just not true. And all 150 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 3: you have to do is say that's not true and 151 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 3: like have some sort of I don't know, because I'm 152 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 3: not a strategist, but like, you know what I mean, 153 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:31,319 Speaker 3: it just felt like there was this capitulation to this 154 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:36,240 Speaker 3: idea that criminals and criminality is ravaging American cities when 155 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 3: it's not. That's just not the truth. And unfortunately this 156 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 3: narrative was aided by people who were running certain American cities, 157 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 3: like Eric Adams and others. I'll you know you're in 158 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 3: New York, so I'll say he's certainly a prominent one. 159 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 3: By the way, I wanted to talk about him, So 160 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 3: I really just want to inject this what a goofy 161 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:02,920 Speaker 3: little purp walk that camera obsessed man just did and 162 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 3: ended up making the man an orange who is innocent 163 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,840 Speaker 3: until proven guilty. He did such a good job making 164 00:11:10,880 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 3: that man look like the people's hero because he, like 165 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 3: Eric Adams, is a villain. He's a bad person. He 166 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 3: wants a pardon from Donald Trump. He thinks that he's 167 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 3: gonna go out there and show this man who terrorized 168 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:29,559 Speaker 3: my city. He didn't terrorize anyone but allegedly one. 169 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: Man, but one person. But they've and and that that 170 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: to me, right him sitting down Eric Adams, And also 171 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: what is he now the defender of the CEO, right 172 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: like he's he's the sheriff of the of the of 173 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: the CEOs because this city wasn't terrorized, right, this man 174 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: and I will say that I believe that New York 175 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: completely overcharged him when because me because New York has 176 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: that that the ability to wage a terrorist accusation against somebody, 177 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: This was not terrorism. Right. We can say acts that 178 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: are terrorizing, but this was not one of them. This 179 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: was a targeted attack against one individual in the city. 180 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,959 Speaker 1: This was not somebody opening up and a mass shooting 181 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 1: that took place. 182 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 2: It was not. 183 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 3: If you were scared now, because you are a CEO 184 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 3: of a company that has unethical business practices, all you 185 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 3: have to do is take off your suit and walk 186 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 3: out of the c suite. You are not a persecuted minority. 187 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 2: Are you sure? 188 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: Because Eric Adams said that they were, and so did 189 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:47,880 Speaker 1: and so did Kathy Hockel. Oh right, like, and so 190 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 1: they're both Democrats in your in your state of Pennsylvania. 191 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Like, but that's that's. 192 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 3: And Cheryl Parker wants to evict a bunch of people 193 00:12:55,880 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 3: from Chinatown to build a basketball stadium, that's a democrat. 194 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 3: It's so like, who are there are there politicians of 195 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 3: the people that's what's scary, to go back to the 196 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 3: original thing. 197 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: And no, there aren't. And I was going to ask you. 198 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: Millions of people sat home on November fifth did not vote. 199 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: And I know right that I talk about voting and 200 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: have talked about voting. 201 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 2: Throughout the years. It is your responsibility. 202 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:33,320 Speaker 1: It is a right that was hard fought and one 203 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: over decades, and you not voting is in fact casting 204 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: a vote, right, So you might as well put some opinion, gusto, 205 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:48,000 Speaker 1: and thought behind who you're pulling the levers for. However, 206 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: when folks looked at this, they said, they're all taken 207 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,800 Speaker 1: pharma money, they're all taken oil money and coal money. 208 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: What do you think led to so many millions of people, 209 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 1: and particularly young people thirty and under, who didn't vote. 210 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 3: I'm not at risk for saying this because you said 211 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,199 Speaker 3: oil money, you said all these other kinds of money. 212 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be real for a lot of people that 213 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 3: I know. We're talking about apac money, baby, we're talking 214 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 3: about is real. We're talking about the atrocities being committed overseas. 215 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 3: We're talking about the genocide being committed overseas. We are 216 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,600 Speaker 3: talking about the full throated not only defense, but full 217 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 3: throated endorsement of a genocide by the United States government 218 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 3: and the Biden Harris administration. That Kamala Harris did not 219 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 3: do nearly enough. I mean, did she do anything to 220 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 3: distance herself from she did when she went on to 221 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 3: if you talk about nothing would fundamentally change when she 222 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 3: went on the view or wherever and was like, I'll 223 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 3: be the same as Joe Biden. We didn't. He's not 224 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 3: in the race anymore for a reason. 225 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 2: Mm hm. 226 00:14:56,640 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 3: They had an opportunity to forge a different path forward. 227 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 3: And the people who pull the strings, the people who 228 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 3: run the campaigns, the campaign managers, the people who are 229 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 3: obsessed with polls and all this and perception rather than 230 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 3: talking to actual human beings. They ran a campaign that 231 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 3: was just like Biden in a different body. Yes, and 232 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 3: I don't get why they did that, and the result 233 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 3: was exactly what I expected. 234 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 2: I was just going to. 235 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: Say, I think a part of why they did it, 236 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: And this is not to make excuses at all, because 237 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: it was the wrong move. There's always just to the 238 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: point that you said earlier, I think that Kamala Harris 239 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: by saying is said what you said. Joe Biden said 240 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 1: at the Carlisle. Nothing will fundamentally change, right. I may 241 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 1: be this black and Asian woman m hm, who is 242 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: going to be a potentially the leader of the free world, 243 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: but don't worry, nothing is going to fundamentally change. 244 00:15:58,400 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 2: And I think that. 245 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: That was her and are handlers trying to assure the 246 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: American public that, oh, this person from who sits at 247 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 1: the intersection of multiple identities isn't going to change anything. 248 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 1: She's really a part of the status quo. And they 249 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: thought that that was a selling point, where as many 250 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: of us saw it as a sellout point. 251 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 3: What are the two words you most associate with the 252 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 3: two thousand and eight Barack Obama campaign? What, Oh, I'm 253 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 3: asking you? 254 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 2: Yes we can? You said three years old. 255 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 3: Oh, okay, no, see, but that's that's the say I 256 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 3: was going to say, hope and change. 257 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 2: Oh, hope and change. 258 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 3: Yes, but yes we can also a positive message, an 259 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 3: energizing message, something that distinguishes you from what came before. 260 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,479 Speaker 3: I understand it's tricky when your predecessor is an incumbent Democrat, 261 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 3: but this, this idea that she was going to be 262 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 3: the same as what came before, that is not to me. 263 00:16:58,840 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 3: That is not exciting to a lot of voters. 264 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 2: I don't think that it was exciting to young voters 265 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 2: at all. 266 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: And I think that, you know, again, before right Thesella Beltway, 267 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: you know, folks came in and interjected themselves into her campaign. 268 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: The messaging that was coming out was largely around hope 269 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,399 Speaker 1: and joy and bringing that back to our politics. And 270 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: then by the end, we're arm in arm with Liz Cheney, 271 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: so you know what I'm saying. So at the beginning 272 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,280 Speaker 1: I felt like, this is a breath of fresh air. 273 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: This is exactly what the kind of energy and attitude 274 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: that we need. And by the end it was like, oh, 275 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: I'm doing a tour de force with one of the 276 00:17:55,000 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 1: biggest legacy political families right who have done so much 277 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 1: harm to this country. We only agree on one thing, 278 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:08,880 Speaker 1: which is the Constitution. But this is where I'm gonna 279 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 1: put all my energy. 280 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:11,280 Speaker 2: How big? 281 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: Like, what could that time Andrew in your mind have 282 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 1: been better spent doing? 283 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 3: I don't know, is anything else an answer? It's just 284 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,479 Speaker 3: like so many things like that, this idea, and some 285 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 3: of it felt like felt like scolding the base, felt 286 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 3: like browbeating the base, like we're gonna ally with moderate Republicans, 287 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 3: which I don't believe in. But like, we're gonna ally 288 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 3: with Republicans and you're gonna like it. We're gonna in 289 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 3: a week before the election, We're gonna send Bill Clinton 290 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 3: to Michigan to say, actually, you're wrong for being passionate 291 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:50,359 Speaker 3: about the genocide and Gaza, Like I don't know if 292 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 3: they could have spent their time, I don't know. I 293 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,800 Speaker 3: feel like there's just there's flaws in the system that 294 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 3: I'm not in this in the democratic system of doing 295 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:05,399 Speaker 3: elections that I'm not well versed enough to speak to. 296 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 3: I've heard people criticize the whole inherent model of phone 297 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 3: banking and canvassing as something that's impersonal and outdated. Can 298 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 3: I offer something that can be done in exchange, not 299 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 3: on a broad scale I said before, just like listening 300 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 3: to people. 301 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 2: I feel like. 302 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 3: Democrats have this obsession with data and data driven campaigning, 303 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:36,200 Speaker 3: which data can be useful, but hearing what actual human 304 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 3: beings have to say and our feeling and thinking is 305 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 3: a lot different than sending someone a poll and having 306 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 3: them fill out some bubbles or talk to some person 307 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 3: on the phone. 308 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:56,120 Speaker 1: It's so utterly disappointing, right, Like I think the win 309 00:19:56,480 --> 00:20:01,159 Speaker 1: that Donald Trump had was not a landslide. It was 310 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 1: not a mandate, regardless of what it is that he 311 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: is saying now on his broke down social media platform 312 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 1: or what the real president elect, Elon Musk is saying. 313 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: And I want to get to that and your opinions 314 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: on him right now and where JD vances on a 315 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: mill cart in someplace. But it wasn't a landslide. So 316 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: that means that there were people that could have been persuaded, 317 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: right that could have been brought over. And I wonder 318 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: in your mind, do you see any which way that 319 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: Democrats are moving right now that would lead you to 320 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: believe that a change is going to come. 321 00:20:41,640 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 3: You were just talking the other day about a leadership 322 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 3: election and or you know, I don't know if election 323 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,360 Speaker 3: is the right word, but like democratic leadership and Alexandria 324 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 3: Ocasio Cortes being passed over, and I think in a bubble, 325 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 3: like whether or not that's the right or wrong choice 326 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 3: in a bubble, to me, that's emblematic of just how 327 00:21:05,280 --> 00:21:10,199 Speaker 3: the last eight years of democratic leadership has been. Like 328 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 3: they don't even give crumbs when Corey Bush gets elected. 329 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 3: Their reaction isn't to embrace Corey Bush. It's to spend 330 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 3: ten million dollars or whatever obscene amount of money was 331 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 3: put into that election to unseat her. And that was 332 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 3: this year. So my unfortunately no, because they are not 333 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 3: even willing to have what used to be called the 334 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 3: squad as like they're token four or five representatives anymore. 335 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 3: They they really don't care about us. They don't care 336 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 3: about the left. They've decided that people on the left 337 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 3: in America, progressives, leftists, whatever you call yourself, socialist, communist, anarchist, 338 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 3: whatever you call yourself, they don't care about you. They 339 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 3: don't care about us. They care about themselves. They care 340 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 3: about the wealth, they care about the powerful, they care 341 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,919 Speaker 3: about the CEOs. They care more about shaking hands with 342 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 3: Republicans than helping you. M M so no, like so no. 343 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 3: I used to be bright eyed and optimistic. I think 344 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 3: when we met seven years ago, I was more bright 345 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 3: eyed and optimistic than I am on this day. 346 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,360 Speaker 1: I mean, hell, I was more bright eyed and optimistic 347 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: as well. I mean, you know, I was coming off 348 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:30,960 Speaker 1: of the Obama years right, thinking that that was the 349 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: trajectory was only going to go up, that it hadn't 350 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: occurred to me, and that was my naivete that there 351 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: was going to be a backslide, a white lash, as 352 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: there always has been any time that there's been any 353 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: notable progress in this country. And you know, and I 354 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:58,680 Speaker 1: wasn't prepared. And I wonder this time around, Andrew, as 355 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 1: we wind down and we see who's really running the show, 356 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: which seems to be Elon Musk, the head of the 357 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 1: brolagarc I guess like, where are you looking for opportunities 358 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,440 Speaker 1: in these obstacles ahead? Where do you see possibility, if any, 359 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: right in how we're going to be moving forward. 360 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 3: I am going to lead by saying I don't think 361 00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:25,639 Speaker 3: this is healthy for a left wing movement, but I 362 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 3: feel that there's others my age and who have my 363 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 3: inclinations who are taking the same persuasion of divesting. Honestly, 364 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 3: I voted, I will say that, especially living in Pennsylvania. 365 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I voted. But I think I used to 366 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 3: be a lot more politically active in a lot of 367 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 3: different ways. I used to care about the political maneuverings 368 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 3: within Washington, within state government. I used to literally be 369 00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 3: in the streets. I feel like I'm going to be 370 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 3: divesting from capital pee politics and focusing on the people 371 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 3: around me, the people who are in my community, keeping 372 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 3: my community and my loved ones and myself safe because 373 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 3: like I just like, if they don't care about us, 374 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:23,560 Speaker 3: you can't make someone who doesn't care about you care. Yeah, 375 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,120 Speaker 3: if we've spent the last eight years, whoever this wei is, 376 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 3: if we spent the last eight years mouths a gape, 377 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 3: throats raw, screaming at them, pay attention to us, care 378 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 3: about us, protect us, fight for us, and their responses 379 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 3: to stick their fingers in their ears, and you're nean 380 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 3: er nein or neiner Okay, heard, got it? 381 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 1: All right? 382 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 3: What's next? Yeah, I'm going to take care of those 383 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 3: in my immediate vicinity because that's really all that's in 384 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,359 Speaker 3: my power to do. And the people who who have 385 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 3: more power than me aren't interested in representing me and 386 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 3: the people I love and care about, and that makes 387 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:06,840 Speaker 3: me very sad. 388 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, but some you know, sometimes we need to 389 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 1: go back to the fundamentals, which is what we can control, 390 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: which is strengthening and supporting our own communities and what 391 00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 1: that looks like for us, and you know, and let 392 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:25,679 Speaker 1: these people are going to do what they're going to do. 393 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 2: Right. 394 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,520 Speaker 1: And I there was a time I remember on WOKF 395 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: where I would say, and this is back in Donald 396 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,120 Speaker 1: Trump's first term, that things are going to get bloodier 397 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: before they get better, and I would say it all 398 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,080 Speaker 1: the time. And the fact is is that there is 399 00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: a lot of pain that is about to happen. There 400 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,159 Speaker 1: is a lot of cruelty that we are going to 401 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: see wield it. 402 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 2: The good guys or the good people did not win, right. 403 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: But I think that sometimes America needs to be revealed 404 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: the good and the awful, and we are we need 405 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,479 Speaker 1: to see the awful because by just talking about it 406 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: and telling people what could possibly come, it wasn't enough. 407 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: And sometimes people need to see it to believe it. 408 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: But I think that if we can control what we 409 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: can control, which is you know, saving our public libraries 410 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: in our communities, supporting our teachers, hosting gatherings just so 411 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,639 Speaker 1: that people feel safe and are reminded of joy, you know, 412 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: of holding on to those things that make us feel 413 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: human and connected, then we will find a way to 414 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: weather through. 415 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 3: I think one thing I definitely do want to add 416 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 3: on to what you're saying is not just community protection 417 00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 3: like I said, but also you know, community education, because 418 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,640 Speaker 3: a lot of people are still like people are waking up, 419 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,199 Speaker 3: but you can help. You can help people wake up, 420 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 3: You can help people learn what's going on. You can 421 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:10,160 Speaker 3: help people have the tools to think more critically about 422 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:13,240 Speaker 3: what's around them and take action for themselves. So I 423 00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 3: do think that's something important as well, holding gatherings, talking 424 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 3: to the people around you, finding out what they believe, 425 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:29,159 Speaker 3: and if gently, guiding them in the right direction. 426 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. 427 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: Well with our final moments here, Andrew, I just want 428 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,879 Speaker 1: to thank you so incredibly much, Thank you publicly, so 429 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 1: incredibly much for the hours upon hours and hours of 430 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:54,360 Speaker 1: work that you have put into making WEKF as successful 431 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: as it has been for nearly a decade. 432 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 3: Wow. 433 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:04,679 Speaker 1: It is an extraordinary feet to produce a daily show 434 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 1: that is as that tried to be informative uh and 435 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: hopeful but honest uh and I really could not have 436 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: done it without you. And I just I want to 437 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,959 Speaker 1: thank you for for every bit of passion uh that 438 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 1: you put into into this and into me over the 439 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: last seven years. 440 00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 3: Thank you very much. I'm honored and I'm excited for 441 00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 3: what's next for you. I'm apprehensive about what's next for me, 442 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 3: but I'll be you know, I'll be good. 443 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 2: You will you will be great. 444 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: Thank you because of the talents that that you have, 445 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: So thank you for making the time to join wok 446 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: f Daily. Thank you for all of the work that 447 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: you've put into wok f Daily and. 448 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 2: I appreciate you. 449 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 3: Thank you very much. 450 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 2: That is it for me today. 451 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 1: Dear friends on Woke af as always, Power to the 452 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: people and to all the people. 453 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 2: Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.