1 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece Bombshell. In the case of 2 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:21,800 Speaker 1: legal superstar Alex Murdog out of South Carolina, we expect 3 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: a grand jury indictment, not on embezzling money, not on 4 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: his usual flam flam scams on one client after the next, 5 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: to the tune of millions of dollars and bazzling from 6 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: his law firm, doing drugs. The list goes on and on. 7 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: I'm talking about an indictment for murder and not just murder, 8 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,440 Speaker 1: double murder. Before we kicked back and say what took 9 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: so long? I think I know what took so long? 10 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: As we wait for the grand jury to hand down 11 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,279 Speaker 1: that bill of indictment with a true bill as it 12 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: is called, let's go to the experts, I mean, grace 13 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: this Scribe Stories. Thank you for being with us here 14 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: at Fox Nation in series one eleven. But first of all, 15 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: take a listen to our friends at w j CL. 16 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: Murdoch murder charges. According to reports, Elik Murdoch will be 17 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 1: charged for the deaths of his wife and son. This 18 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:22,199 Speaker 1: comes as he is now also officially disbarred in South Carolina. 19 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: It's been thirteen months since Elik found Maggie and Paul 20 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: Murdoch shot and killed on their Collaton County property. Now, 21 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: according to Elik's attorney, the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division 22 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:38,479 Speaker 1: notified the Murdoch family about these charges this morning. According 23 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: to the latest reports, SLED will present evidence to a 24 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: grand jury this Thursday. However, reports did not say what 25 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: that evidence is. I wouldn't think that the South Carolina 26 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: Law Enforcement Division would put something before a great state 27 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: grand jury if they didn't believe that they had had ample. 28 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: You darn right. You don't go to a grand jury 29 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: unless you are locked and loaded. Again, thanks for being 30 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: with us here at Fox Nation and Crime Stories. We've 31 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: been on the case from the very beginning with me 32 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: an all star panelm But first I'm going to go 33 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,799 Speaker 1: straight out to Matt Harris. He is there in South Carolina, 34 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: he said, morning show host of The Matt Ramona Show 35 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: at wl n K, and he is the creator and 36 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,559 Speaker 1: star of podcast The Murdoch Family Murders. Impact of Influence. 37 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: Matt Harris dis bar smith spar don't care. Have the 38 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: lawyers in the bar or stinkers anyway? I wouldn't trust 39 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:37,800 Speaker 1: one as far as I could throw them. I learned 40 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: that when I was a lobbyist at the Georgia State Assembly. 41 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,679 Speaker 1: I want to hear about the murder charges. I mean, 42 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: Maggie and Paul murdog were murdered well over a year ago. 43 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: How many dead bodies does it take connected to that 44 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 1: one family for there to be a single criminal and die, 45 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: but such as murder, what's happening? Well, I think that 46 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 1: sled South Carolina Law Enforcement Division really wanted to make 47 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: sure that they had everything in place to bring this 48 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: indictment in front of the grand jury, probably at College 49 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: in County where the murders were committed, to the Moselle property, 50 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: and the fact that Elik has been in jail since 51 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: I think October November gave them some time that they 52 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: didn't have people saying why is this guy walking around? 53 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: Why does this guy walking around? So they I think 54 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: I bought them some time with all the white collar 55 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: crimes of the had been committing to make sure that 56 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: this very influential, very powerful family did not interfere with 57 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: their investigation, and they got everything in place they needed to. 58 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: They got people to talk. Maybe you wouldn't have talked, 59 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: so it's it's it's huge. The grand jury is being 60 00:03:56,280 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: tomorrow we understand didn't interfere with the investigation. Okay, hold on, 61 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 1: of course, I think they're interfering with the investigation. And 62 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: you darn right, Matt Harris. They did all of this 63 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: legwork while Alex Vernock is still behind bars. Now he's 64 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 1: tried to get out on a bond, he hasn't been 65 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: able to do it, and we've had one charge after 66 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: the next. It's all about embezzling money. And why that 67 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: law firm had their nose and the ground and their 68 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: tail in the air. I don't know, because he has 69 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: apparently embezzled millions of dollars from the firm from clients. 70 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: And what do they do sit back and have a 71 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: cup of hot tea at the country club. I don't 72 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,040 Speaker 1: know what's going on with that law firm, but as 73 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: far as this family not trying to interfere with the investigation, Jackie, 74 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 1: please play cut seventy two. This is Anne Emerson at 75 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:58,160 Speaker 1: ABC News four. On October twenty twenty one, Alec Murdoch 76 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: called his brother, John Marvin Murdock and his son Buster. 77 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: They were on a trip to Nevada, now made notorious 78 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,599 Speaker 1: by this photo of John Marvin and Buster at a 79 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: Las Vegas casino table. It ended up as an exhibit 80 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: in court against Alec Murdoc. Alec called his family to 81 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: warn them in court the other day. They made a 82 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:20,159 Speaker 1: big deal about think they're going to be moving to 83 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: trying to prevent us from selling stuff. Right, we need 84 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: to get as much as we can completed on the call, 85 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: John Marvin suggests selling some of the farm equipment to 86 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: pay off some of Alex Detts, but says it must 87 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: be done on the up and up. You might speak 88 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:39,559 Speaker 1: to Jim if you get a chance, just to grin 89 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: out what kind of time frame he thinks before they 90 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: get any kind of order preventing us from doing anything? Okay, 91 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: And I mean, well, I'm I'm just doing doing everything 92 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: by the book. And on board a lank whig squirreling 93 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,720 Speaker 1: it away is going to pay bank stuff, Well, it 94 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: go to the unsecured note, so so everything else something 95 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: securing it. So it makes six insecured items would go 96 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: to an unsecured notice by the book. My rear end, 97 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,840 Speaker 1: this guy's not worried about by the book. Here he 98 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 1: is behind bars and his wife and his son cold 99 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 1: in the great and he is trying to manipulate assets 100 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: and it'll be Matt Harris. How can you even say 101 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,840 Speaker 1: that this family has not been interfering with the investigation 102 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: b s. That is not true. I guaranteem to you 103 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: that because if he is behind bars trying to move 104 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 1: his money around, you know he's behind bars trying to 105 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: manipulate evidence and witnesses to save his own skin. I 106 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: say they're they're going to try to do it, and 107 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: I think Sled is being very careful not to let 108 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 1: them do it, and they don't have to to listen 109 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: to the pressure of anybody. Is the fact that Lex 110 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: already behind bars, he was walking around, would maybe to 111 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 1: hurry the investigation. And you know you don't want anything, 112 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 1: as you know NaNs, you don't anything that could talk 113 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: give you used an appeal, So you want to make 114 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: sure you got this locked down and give you more time. 115 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:13,600 Speaker 1: When the guys in Fred Fine, I agree. I don't 116 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: want to boomerang to hit me in the neck in 117 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: court or on appeal, but to suggest this family it 118 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: isn't interfering. That's all they do and it's all about money. 119 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: Let me go to Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, jacksonall 120 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet, host of 121 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:32,119 Speaker 1: a brand new series It's a hit on. iHeart body 122 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: backs of Joe Scott Morgan, Joe Scott just a moment. Okay, 123 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: to this day after my fiance's murder. To this day, 124 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 1: I still have nightmares about his murder, about the same 125 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: things happening to my family and my children. It never 126 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: goes away, the tiniest threat or no threat. It's a 127 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: big deal to me. I see danger behind every tree 128 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: and every white van that goes by. And here this 129 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: guy is. His wife and son are dead, dead by 130 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: gunshot wounds to the torso and face, and he's worried 131 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 1: about moving money around. I just I'm so mad I 132 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: could stick at you and nail and half. Yeah. There 133 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: there's a level of callousness that comes along with this case. 134 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: That's a nice way to put it here. He is 135 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: looking at murder charges and he's trying to move money around, right, 136 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: And you know, it's like these people are the angel 137 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: of death, Nancy. It's not just his wife and son 138 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 1: that are dead, it's like everywhere they go, people drop 139 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 1: over dead. You know, we're thinking about you know, Gloria 140 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: Sadderfield for instance. We don't know that they're connected with that, 141 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: but they're they're gonna, they're gonna exhume her body. We've 142 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,839 Speaker 1: got this young man found dead in the road. Did 143 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: you kind of just stop you for one moment? Sure? 144 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: They might as well have just pushed her down the stairs. 145 00:08:56,679 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you why I say that, because isn't 146 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: it true Matt Harris saw a star of the Murdlock 147 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:07,520 Speaker 1: Family Murders podcast. Isn't it true that after miss Saderfield 148 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: fell down the steps outside their home because of their 149 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: dogs apparently? And we had this cool, calm collected phone 150 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:19,679 Speaker 1: call by Maggie and the Sun with nine one wait 151 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: go with me on this. Then Murdog goes to her 152 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 1: family and he says, hey, sue me. I'll handle the case. 153 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: My law firm will handle the case. Sue me because 154 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 1: I want you to be compensated. My insurance is going 155 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 1: to cover it. You don't feel like you're taking it 156 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,679 Speaker 1: out of my pocket. Sue me. I'd be mad if 157 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: you didn't. And then they do sue him. He arranges 158 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: the whole lawsuit and then he steals the money. He 159 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 1: steals the money from his housekeeper's family and On top 160 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:58,760 Speaker 1: of that, the dog story was something I think he 161 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 1: created to be hones with you. He beat the paramedics there, 162 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:06,320 Speaker 1: and he was thinking on his feet. That's how his 163 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: sick mind worked. He immediately said, oh, she told me 164 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: the dogs knocked her over. Well, she'd never had consciousness. 165 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: As far as we know, no one else has heard 166 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: her say anything. No one else said she was conscious. 167 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: But he started this story immediately about the dogs changes 168 00:10:21,800 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: the whole insurance thing. I'm so glad you said that, 169 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: and feel free to interrupt me right back. Okay, this 170 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: is a free for all. Okay, this ain't no tea 171 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 1: party at Higrave. Higrams all like to say, that's exactly 172 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:36,960 Speaker 1: what happened in the murders of Maggie and Paul Man. 173 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,319 Speaker 1: If I were trying this case, i'd put that estate's 174 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: theory number one. Similar transaction over and over. He takes 175 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: control of the narrative and spins it out like Rumple's stills, 176 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: because in that case he started spinning out the narrative 177 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: that she fell on the dog, the dogs caused her 178 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: to fall, and this narrative he gets there again at 179 00:10:58,360 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: a double murder and spinning his tale take a listen 180 00:11:02,240 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 1: oar Cut sixty eight w y f F. The bodies 181 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: of Maggie and Paul Murdoch were found on June seventh 182 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: of twenty twenty one at home on the family's land 183 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: in Colleton County. The corner says they were both shot 184 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: several times, and in the months that followed, sled said 185 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 1: it found evidence of other crimes surrounding the Murdoch family. 186 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: Alec Murdoch was charged with dozens of fraud related crimes 187 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: after authorities say he stole millions of dollars from his 188 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: clients and from the family of his former housekeeper, Gloria Sadderfield. 189 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: She died after a fall at the Murdoch home. Murdoch 190 00:11:37,720 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 1: and a former client, Curtis Smith, were also charged in 191 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:45,479 Speaker 1: a botched attempted suicide plot. I mean, at the very beginning, 192 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: Susan Williams jump in. Whoever that is jump in. I 193 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: think it's Matt Harris. The ability for him, as you said, 194 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: to quickly get in the narrative, the Gloria Sadderfield thing. 195 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: Ban he's at the dogs, he goes to town. He 196 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: also introduces his best friend to the sado Field family, 197 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 1: Corey Fleming, who he says, your health, Tay carry you, 198 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: and they work together to steal money from the sado fields. 199 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: He spends the story on the Labor Day attempted suicide 200 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: shooting on the side of the road with cousin Eddie. 201 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: He's right on that story and this is how it happened. 202 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:27,200 Speaker 1: But it's not just that. Remember Mallory Beach and the 203 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 1: boating accident. He was at the hospital. Oh wait, is 204 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 1: this Darctor Dupre, Yes, it is. Let me just introduce 205 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,200 Speaker 1: you with me is doctor Michelle Dupree, and she's very 206 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 1: critical today. She is joining us from this location. I've 207 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: met with her there there in South Carolina. She is 208 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: a forensic pathologist, she is a medical examiner, she has 209 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: been a law enforcement and she is the author of 210 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: the Homicide Investigation Field Guide. You're right, doctor Dupree, because 211 00:12:55,960 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: even in that case, same m O. He's like a 212 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:05,960 Speaker 1: ghoul standing over bedsides at the hospital trying to spin 213 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:10,959 Speaker 1: out what really happened to this teen girl, nineteen year 214 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: old Mallory Beach, who was thrown off his boat because 215 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: his son was drunk as a skunk, high as a kite. 216 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 1: And we had been to the location and looked at 217 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 1: it ourselves where he crashed, crashed into pilings and said, 218 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 1: this girl flying flying off his boat. She floated in 219 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 1: that water for three days before rescue could find her. 220 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: Go ahead, doctor Dupree, and state what you were saying. 221 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: I was just saying that he was at the hospital 222 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: trying to interfere with the doctors and the nurses treating 223 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: those children, and he was trying to corner their story 224 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: and try to get them to not say anything and 225 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: let him architect that whole story that they were about 226 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: to tell. And he did the same thing with the 227 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: Stephen Smith case. He approached the family and tried to 228 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:03,079 Speaker 1: get try to be benevolent to them. Why is that? 229 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: Why does he try to do these things? Time Stories 230 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace Susan E. Williams, South Carolina, high profile 231 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:29,440 Speaker 1: defense attorney, former prosecutor. You can find her at Carolina 232 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: Lady Lawyer, Susan. She's right. I forgot for a moment 233 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: about the very first body that we know of, the 234 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 1: teen boy found out in the road. Murdog was sniffing 235 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: around all the witnesses on that case too. We just 236 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: passed the one the anniversary of Stephen Smith's passing it's 237 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: my understanding according to sources that the South Carolina Law 238 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 1: Enforcement Division has opened an investigation regarding that death. Well, 239 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: they said yes, a matter of fact, they opened that 240 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: case based on something they found during this murder investigation. 241 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: So that'll be interesting to see what they learned during 242 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: this investigation. Joe Scott, I want you to hear this 243 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: about him spinning out the story and it starts. You 244 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: heard our friend Matt Harris, morning show hostbe ellen k 245 00:15:20,640 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: and star of MURDERI Family Murders podcast state that he 246 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: shows up on all these scenes. You know, that reminds 247 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: me of Wayne Williams. Remember him. He murdered many of 248 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: the missing and murdered Atlanta young boys and men. I 249 00:15:39,400 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: don't know if he did all of them, but he 250 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: did a lot of them. He would show up. He 251 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: was a stringer, he was an amateur newscaster. He would 252 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: show up sometimes before the cops even showed up at 253 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: these scenes where they would find the dead bodies. Wow, 254 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: what a coincidence, right, But Wayne Williams aside, listen to 255 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: Alex Mordog now, Jackie, this is our cut twenty seven 256 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: when we covered Alex Morlot at the very beginning it's 257 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: cut twenty seven, and UM, I want you to hear goss. 258 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: There's so many nine on one called to pick from. Um, yep, 259 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 1: let's hear that one. Okay. What is her name? Maggie, 260 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 1: Maggie and Paul Maggie. Yes, ma'am. Okay, please hurry. We're 261 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: getting somebody out there to you asking you these questions. 262 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 1: Don't flow them down? Okay? Are you sure they're not breathing? 263 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: Is he moving? Now? Your son? I know you said 264 00:16:55,640 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: that she was shot, but what about your son? Nobody, 265 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: they're not the one. What is your telephone number? And 266 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: does anything look out of place? Ma'am? Not not particularly really, no, ma'am. Okay. 267 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: You know doctor Sherry Schwartz joining me, forensic psychologists and 268 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: author of Criminal Behavior and Where Law and Psychology Intersect, 269 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: Doctor Sherry. I'd be very curious if when the cops 270 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: in the MTS got there, if he was actually shedding 271 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 1: tears or if he was just doing the whole thing 272 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: to pretend he's crying. And he also says I only 273 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: touched them to see if they were alive. So much 274 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: of what he is saying is calculated, and he's already 275 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 1: spinning out his story. Even then, what behavior would you 276 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: look for if you had been the cop or the 277 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: MT that first arrived on the same Doctor Schwartz, Well, 278 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: one of the first things that I would look for is, 279 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, the presence of true emotion, Right, is 280 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,119 Speaker 1: there really true grief? Here? Is their fear? Because that's 281 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: a primary response anytime you're going to see somebody, especially 282 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:37,440 Speaker 1: your loved ones who are deceased and they've clearly been murdered, Right, 283 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: You're going to be fearful. You're going to want to 284 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: be cooperative, and you're certainly not going to be trying 285 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: to make excuses for why you touch certain things. This 286 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:50,959 Speaker 1: is going to be further from your mind. Oh I'm 287 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,320 Speaker 1: glad you said that, doctor Sherry, because I was just 288 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: thinking back as you were talking about when my fiancee Keith, 289 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: was murdered, and when I stayed with my father after 290 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,879 Speaker 1: he died and waited for them to come get his body. 291 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: Everybody left it. I just couldn't leave them alone. And 292 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: I wish that I hadn't seen what I did see 293 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 1: of my father. I mean, Joe Scott Morgan, that sticks 294 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: with you the rest of your life. And I'm glad 295 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: I did not see my fiance's open casket. I'm glad 296 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: I didn't see that, But imagine Joe Scott coming and 297 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:32,919 Speaker 1: finding your wife shot. Wasn't she shot in the face 298 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: in the head? Well? What we do know, and this 299 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 1: is per our friends at FIT News. They've talked about 300 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 1: how they know that she was or it has been 301 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: stated to them that she was shot execution style while 302 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,400 Speaker 1: laying on the ground. And that's kind of interesting when 303 00:19:49,400 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 1: you think about it from a forensic standpoint because based 304 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: upon that, and we think that she was shot with 305 00:19:55,640 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 1: probably some type of military style platform weapon. Remembered the 306 00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: shot with the shot right the sun was shot with 307 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: a shot gun. Now you know what they would have 308 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: had to have done in order to validate this at 309 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: the scene once her body was removed. These are probably 310 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: through through gunshot wounds. You're talking about a high velocity rifle. 311 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,200 Speaker 1: They would have gone over the area where her body 312 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: was found and with a metal detector and recovered those 313 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: rounds that were in the ground, and that's going to 314 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,520 Speaker 1: be an indicative of the fact that she was lying 315 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: flat on the ground and she and it says Nancy 316 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: that she shot multiple times. They don't really say how 317 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: many times, but we know that she was shot in 318 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: multiple times, and of course the sun was hit by 319 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 1: two shotgun blasts. And Matt Harris joining me any morning 320 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: show of Matt Ramona wl n K and star of 321 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: Murdoch Family murders. First of all, several things coming to mind. 322 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: What were the two weapons used? We know at least 323 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: one was a Murdoch family weapon. Gee, I wonder who 324 00:20:54,320 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: got ahold of that. But to hear him articular late 325 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: all of that on the nine one one call, I mean, 326 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: I know I'm projecting, but I could hardly speak after 327 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: Keith Smarterer. This was particularly brutal. The word is with 328 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:19,359 Speaker 1: the AR fifteen, especially at that closive range. Maggie, his 329 00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: wife was decapitated, or very close to being decapitated. That's 330 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:29,120 Speaker 1: not awful. I mean, that's just beyond gruesome. And then 331 00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: you see your son also, who is blasted in the 332 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: face with a buckshot and bird shot. So it is 333 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:43,880 Speaker 1: hard to imagine, even talking on the phone, seeing your 334 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: wife in that kind of shape and your son, Matt. 335 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: How do you theorize the use of two weapons. A 336 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: lot of people automatically say, wow, it must have been 337 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: too perps. Not true. I think the I don't. The 338 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 1: big question is who was shot first. But with the 339 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: if you use the shotgun, probably only has the bird 340 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 1: shot and the buckshot in it, and you're not going 341 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: to load it again. That's gonna take forever. You're on 342 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 1: a hunting area, there the AR fifteen and the guns. 343 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: The guns are all there. Sometimes they're on the back 344 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: of some of the gaiters and things they drive around, 345 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: so you give easy access. So it's not a big 346 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: deal really to think about shooting one and picking up 347 00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: another gun. It's only a few feet away. It's not 348 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 1: Everybody went to the right away, and including me that 349 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: there had to be two people. But when you have 350 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: access to guns that quickly, it's easy to go from 351 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 1: one gun to the other. Okay, so one was a shotgun, 352 00:22:45,080 --> 00:22:49,360 Speaker 1: one was an AR fifteen, correct. Yeah, And saying that 353 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: she was lying down and shot execution style on the head, 354 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 1: I don't know that I agree with that, but I'm 355 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:58,800 Speaker 1: not privy dotr D free to all of the autopsy 356 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: findings yet we will be. But I don't see why 357 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: she couldn't have been shot and the torso and then 358 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 1: after she felt shot in the head to finish it, off, 359 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,439 Speaker 1: and that is more likely. I believe what happened. My 360 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: sources have actually told me that Maggie was lured there, 361 00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: that Paul was there first, and that Maggie was lord 362 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: there a bit later. So whether that's true or not 363 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: I don't know, but that sources that I have have 364 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: actually told me that, how do you think she was 365 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: lord there? Anybody jump in, This is matt from impact 366 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: of Influence. Yes, she We talked to John Marvin alex 367 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: younger brother, and he indeed said Maggie was in Edistove. 368 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: It was called to come to Moselle because they were 369 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: going to go see the father who was in the hospital. 370 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:50,640 Speaker 1: Paul came from work in John Marvin's truck. They were 371 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 1: there prior to him leaving to go to see his mother, 372 00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: which is a weird timeline. We get it out if 373 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: you want. But yes, she was called have a family dinner. 374 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,439 Speaker 1: And that raises some questions too, like who made the 375 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: dinner because John Marvin said he didn't know if Blanca, 376 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: who was there their housekeeper cook at the time, when 377 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,200 Speaker 1: Moiselle or Maggie made the dinner. Well, wait a minute, 378 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,040 Speaker 1: how do we know they even had dinner? Oh? Well, 379 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 1: they were supposed to have dinner. Okay, do you know 380 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 1: that that was the that was the plan, because I 381 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 1: think we would have had evidence where they went out 382 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: to dinner or where they ate in the home that 383 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 1: they dishwasher was still running something like that. Yeah, we 384 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 1: don't know any that yet. That'll have to come out, 385 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:35,240 Speaker 1: but that was the plan anyway, to have them to 386 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 1: have dinner. Yes, and then we very I don't know 387 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 1: if that the person, the Blanca who was working there, 388 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: if she knows something. We haven't heard much of her. 389 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: We know that Elick on the jail house tapes has 390 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: mentioned her a couple of times, having talked to Blanco, 391 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 1: where's Blanca house, Blanka doing blah blah blah. So I'm 392 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: interested to find out that she has any insight into 393 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: this and where she is and what's going on. We 394 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,959 Speaker 1: haven't heard much. Also, there is there are sources that 395 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: have suggested to me that they were both killed a 396 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: good bit earlier than what has been stated, that they 397 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: were actually killed before Alex went to visit his father, 398 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, in the hospital, and that was to set 399 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: up an alibi. So my question is I want to 400 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: know from that crime scene tell me about the blood. 401 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 1: How dried is it? You know what this interesting, doctor Dupree. 402 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:30,919 Speaker 1: I went round and round with you and meeting you, specifically, 403 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: doctor Michelle Dupree, immediately after the shootings, about this very 404 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: thing about whether the blood was dried, had the body 405 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: temperature decreased to any significant amount so we could tell 406 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: how long he had been how long they had been dead, 407 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: to verify or destroy his timeline, Remember that we went 408 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 1: over it and over it and over it. And we 409 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 1: don't know that because we don't know what the coroner 410 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: made to make those determinations. It's simply his word, but 411 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: how did he make those determinations? And we just don't know. 412 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: I want to know how dry was it? For those 413 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: of you just joining us, bombshell an indictment we believe 414 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 1: will be handed down Thursday by a grand jury. In 415 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: many jurisdictions, grand juries meet on specific days. In my 416 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:26,040 Speaker 1: old jurisdiction, it was every Tuesday and Thursday, and it 417 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: would go for hours and hours. And when you're a 418 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: young lawyer, you're sent to grand jury, you present evidence, 419 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: there is no cross examination. You may have only one witness, 420 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,880 Speaker 1: like a lead detective in a case, and the grand 421 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: jury can ask questions. There's normally about forty people in 422 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:48,679 Speaker 1: there taking off the voter registration logs, and they have 423 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: a free fraud with the witness if they want to. 424 00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: If not, the witness leaves and the district attorney puts 425 00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: it to them. True bill or no bill. It's pretty 426 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: and dride. Take a listen to our cut sixty nine. 427 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: Our friends at ABC needs four. John Marvin Murdoch says 428 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: SLED paid him a courtesy visit this morning, exactly four 429 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,879 Speaker 1: hundred days after his nephew and sister in law were killed. 430 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,919 Speaker 1: John Marvin Murdoch says SLED told him they planned to 431 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: charge his brother Alec, in connection with the murders of 432 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,560 Speaker 1: his wife Maggie and son Paul Murdoch. John Marvin says 433 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,439 Speaker 1: SLED came to tell him the news today because they 434 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: did not want the Murdoch family or Maggie's family, the 435 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: brand Setters, learning about the charges through the media. I 436 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,119 Speaker 1: asked John Marvin how the family reacted to the news. 437 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,960 Speaker 1: He was very straightforward. He said, I don't know if 438 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: SLED has it right or not. I don't know if 439 00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: law enforcement has the answers. We want the truth. I'd 440 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,199 Speaker 1: be willing to put money if I were a betting 441 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,400 Speaker 1: woman on the fact that sled South Carolina Law Enforcement 442 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: Division has taken this long to bring murder charges for 443 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: a very important reason. They got their ducks in a 444 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: row because Susan Williams, high profile lawyer out of South Carolina. 445 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 1: The minute they hand down an indictment, the defense Murdog 446 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 1: can slap a speedy demand for speedy trial on the 447 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: state and that means they got to go to trial 448 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,920 Speaker 1: within about six months, two grand jury sessions following the indictment. 449 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 1: Isn't that true? It's true. They better be ready, that's correct. 450 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: One thing I'm wanted to bring up talking about just 451 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: going from the body zoom being exoomed of Gloria Siderfield, 452 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: two bodies that won't be exoomed. We absolutely know or 453 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: Paul Murdo and Maggie Murdof because their bodies were cremated. 454 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 1: You know what, I'm so glad you said that. I 455 00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: completely forgot about that, And to you, Matt Harris joining 456 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: us a podcast star of Impact of Influence, I guess 457 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:57,200 Speaker 1: that was Murdog's decision to cremate the bodies. I would 458 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: have to think there was his decision, and that is 459 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: and I mean, we still haven't seen Maggie's death certificate. 460 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, we saw Paul's false death certificate says put 461 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 1: the time of death at nine, but we have not 462 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: seen Maggie's death certificate. And the college in County Corner 463 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: put the time of the burners between nine and nine thirty. 464 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: And just one clarification, Elik was not visiting his dad 465 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: in the hospital that night. He was visiting his mom, 466 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: which is twenty minute about a twenty minute drive. I 467 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: thought he did both that evening. I thought he saw 468 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 1: his father and his mother. He did his father earlier 469 00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: the day we believe he was. His lawyer said, from 470 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: nine to nine thirty he was watching a game show 471 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 1: with his mother in her house, which is about a 472 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: twenty minute drive from Mozelle Man. This guy as so 473 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: many people money. Maggie murdog was starting to bounce chicks 474 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 1: at her charity events. That's not a good look. She 475 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: had been seeing divorce lawyers. It was in the middle 476 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: of divorce. All of his finance Anchell Shennan against in 477 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 1: other words, embezzling to the teen and millions would have 478 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: come out. He could not let that happen. And here 479 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: he is with a money mode of twenty minutes away 480 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: from the double murder of his wife and son, crime 481 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace and now finally Thursday morning indictment 482 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 1: is expected to happen. Let's take a listen to an 483 00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: Emerson ABC News four. John Marvin tells me he hasn't 484 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: seen the evidence against his brother. However, Alec Murdock was 485 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: first identified by his own attorneys as a person of 486 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: interest in the murders back in the fall of twenty 487 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: twenty one. But I also texted with Alec Murdock's lawyer, 488 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: Jim Griffin today. Interestingly enough, he says we have not 489 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: been advised by anyone associated with law enforcement or the 490 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: Attorney General's office that Alec will be charged with murder. 491 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: Griffin said, I am aware that's led advise the family 492 00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: that the intend to seek murder indictments from a grand 493 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: jury later this week. We won't have any comment until 494 00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:25,360 Speaker 1: charges are actually brought against Alec. Now, Alec is still 495 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: behind bars on eighty one state grand jury charges, not 496 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: for the murders. So far, the disgraced Hampton lawyer is 497 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: only formally accused with various financial crimes, theft, fraud, and 498 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:42,720 Speaker 1: money laundering. There's also a drug trafficking allegations as well, 499 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: and Murdock's bond is now set at seven million dollars. 500 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: Back to you, Matt Harris joining us a star of 501 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: the Murdock family murders. Impact of influence? Why now? What 502 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: do you think hasn't it been I believe four hundred 503 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: days since the murders? Is that the right count? Yeah? Yes, 504 00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 1: zackly livery a year, I think, as you have said, 505 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: And then you know, through going through this, if you're 506 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: going to indict somebody who's a high profiled figure, especially 507 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:16,080 Speaker 1: in that case, and especially a family of attorneys and 508 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: he's got some of the best attorneys in the state 509 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: working for him. At this point, you want to make 510 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: sure every single thing is in a row. You also 511 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: are getting possibly more and more people to talk like 512 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: what his cousin Eddie saying, what is Chris the Chris 513 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: Wilson phone calls that came out? Well, but what do 514 00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: you mean Chris Wilson's phone calls came out with Chris 515 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: Wilson as an attorney friend of Alex, who Alex said, 516 00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 1: and it came out that Chris and Alec talked two 517 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,240 Speaker 1: times on the way from Moselle to Barneville, where his 518 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: mother lives, and two times driving back from Barneville to Moselle. 519 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: Those are what Aleck would probably be using as this ley. 520 00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 1: I couldn't have done it. I was, I was on 521 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: the phone that it was with my mom. But if 522 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: they find out, you know, through technology, were those phone 523 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: calls actually made on the road or were they made 524 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: from the murgency question? You said Alex Mardod was on 525 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: the phone with an attorney friend, Chris Wilson, from Moselle 526 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: the scene of the murders to his mother, and then 527 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: from his mother's back to Moseelle. Correct, right, Which seems 528 00:33:29,600 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: like a lot of phone calls to one guy. Okay, 529 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,040 Speaker 1: wait a minute, what a co inkiedink Joe Scott Morgan 530 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: that he is at Moselle, their hunting lodge where the 531 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: two murders go down. He leaves to visit his mother 532 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:48,600 Speaker 1: for one game show and they're murdered in the small 533 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 1: window of time between then and him coming back to 534 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: Moselle to call nine one one. I don't believe in 535 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 1: coincidences in criminal law, Joe Scott Morgan. No, I don't either. 536 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: And the fact that he is, you know, he kind 537 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,400 Speaker 1: of hovers over all of these cases where he's kind 538 00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: of moving in and out. He just happens to be 539 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: at these specific locations. And again this goes back to 540 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 1: this trail of bodies that are kind of connected throughout 541 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 1: this entire story, Nancy, where he happens to be on 542 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,439 Speaker 1: the scene and enters in and enters out. And one 543 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,560 Speaker 1: quick point back to Gloria's Saderfield that is amazing to me. 544 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: In this particular case, when she was essentially declared dead 545 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: at the hospital and released, I find it very very 546 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: fascinating that the corner where she died was never notified 547 00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:48,320 Speaker 1: of her death. And Nancy, this is a traumatically related death. 548 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: When she rolled into that hospital with this diagnosis of 549 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 1: severe head injury, I mean it's severe too. She's treated 550 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: by the staff that physician should have known better. He 551 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: wound up, actually the attending actually wound up signing her 552 00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: death certificate. And with all of this pathology that she had, 553 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: this head trauma, he still listed her manner of death. Remember, 554 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: there's natural as a natural death, Nancy as a natural death. 555 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's so deep that the wrongdoing is so 556 00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: intertwined throughout that area. Back to you, Matt, question Matt 557 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:33,000 Speaker 1: Harris joining me. So why are charges expected now after 558 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,319 Speaker 1: four hundred days? You said more people are talking. I 559 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:40,080 Speaker 1: think cell po data has been obtained. I wonder if 560 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:46,919 Speaker 1: there's not any video data such as ring doorbells, traffic stoplight. 561 00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: I don't know what. But what do you think brought 562 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:54,200 Speaker 1: about the charges now? Um? Well, I think it's those 563 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 1: things that we talked about, and especially this the timeline 564 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: being so tight you mentioned, you know that is so dark. 565 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,720 Speaker 1: Take there's murders between nine and nine thirty twenty minute 566 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 1: drive to his mom's house, right, and how long was 567 00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: he in the mother's About thirty minutes? Yeah, not very long, 568 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: you know. And they had to carefully coordinate and analyze 569 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,520 Speaker 1: the phone calls to the friend Chris Wilson with the 570 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: game show he watched with his mother that he can 571 00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: so accurately remember, and the condition of the bodies, how 572 00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 1: long they had been dead, what else they could tell? 573 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: Maybe what come? Do you know what kind of car 574 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:38,239 Speaker 1: he was driving? I? No, no, I'm not sure. Wh 575 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,839 Speaker 1: wasn't that big one he was driving when he got 576 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: shot in the head. He was driving at that Mercedes. Um, 577 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: I think they had two different Mercedes, but I think 578 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,280 Speaker 1: you know a lot of them are the law firms. 579 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: But I think it's White had one and he had one. 580 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: He was just trying to figure out if they had 581 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,719 Speaker 1: a NAV system. Minute and that takes a minute to 582 00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 1: get that information. Little known fact he had all new cars. Good. 583 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:02,520 Speaker 1: Good to hear because now they've got the NAV system. 584 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 1: So there's so many things they had to assemble. So 585 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 1: that's why the charges are coming. Now we believe. Do 586 00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,440 Speaker 1: you think it will be difficult to charge a single 587 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: defendant when there are two weapons used? Everybody on the 588 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,440 Speaker 1: panel jumping if you've got a thought, absolutely not. Hold on, 589 00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: I hear doctor dupree, Go ahead, doctor dupres Absolutely not. 590 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 1: That is a forensic countermeasure. A minute, you're talking like 591 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: an expert. What do you mean a forensic countermeasure. It's 592 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:36,760 Speaker 1: something that is used to throw the police off two guns. 593 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: You automatically assume that there are two different perpetrators. So 594 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: if a single person uses two guns, that's simus logical conclusion. 595 00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: But we call that a forensic countermeasure, so that we 596 00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: are not thrown off the case by some trick like 597 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,680 Speaker 1: that anybody else, well's not. Let's not forget that Elik 598 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: Murdoch was a part time solicitor and his family had 599 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: been solicitors for one hundred years, that he has been 600 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 1: a part of many murder trials, whether be him or 601 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:10,000 Speaker 1: his father, or his grandfather or his great grandfather. The 602 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 1: kind of guy. The guy is kind of aware of 603 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: what you know, could throw people off as she is 604 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: implying right there, or what needs to be done, or 605 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: timelines or this, or that he's schooled in the whole thing. 606 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: Oh very well, put you want to shop in on that. 607 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,719 Speaker 1: Just Scott Morgan about will it be difficult to prove 608 00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:28,400 Speaker 1: a case against one person with two weapons have been used. 609 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: I don't think it will. Well, it probably won't be, 610 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,319 Speaker 1: as I think the biggest the biggest problem they're going 611 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 1: to have. I think that the defense is probably going 612 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,239 Speaker 1: to exploit in this is the fact that these are 613 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,440 Speaker 1: two shoulder fired arms. And that's always been my contention 614 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: that you've got a shotgun which is a long arm, 615 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 1: and you've also got this ar platform weapon that's a 616 00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: long arm, shoulder fired. It always seemed to make more 617 00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,560 Speaker 1: sense to me that if you were, you know, in 618 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,240 Speaker 1: from a military and police perspective, you carry the aar 619 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: and then you have a side arm a pistol, and 620 00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: it's just it's an odd it's an odd point data 621 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: point along the way that you've got two shoulder fired arms. 622 00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: And granted, yes, this guy has got access two weapons, 623 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:13,320 Speaker 1: it's his property. But again I go back, there seems 624 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,920 Speaker 1: to be a lot of involvement with other parties. Are 625 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 1: I'm trying to say he got somebody to help shie 626 00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:22,680 Speaker 1: his wife and son with him, because I think it 627 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:26,480 Speaker 1: was just him. Well perhaps, And as doctor Dupree had 628 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: rightly pointed out earlier per her sources, where she had 629 00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: stated that she that one had been lured there and 630 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: that seems that seems logical. And then you bring the 631 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,520 Speaker 1: other one in. Oh my god, look, Maggie, our son 632 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 1: is deceased now and she you know, immediately falls to 633 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: the ground. She's crying, she's screaming and carrying on. The 634 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,040 Speaker 1: next thing, you know, she's to see Yep, it's news 635 00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,439 Speaker 1: reported that it was there was a blood spatter on 636 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 1: his shirt. Maybe And I forget which one of your 637 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,800 Speaker 1: experts I had on my show talking about it, he 638 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 1: mentioned the long arm rifles. If you were using those, 639 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,760 Speaker 1: he thought it would unlikely you would get a spatter. 640 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,520 Speaker 1: So there's a little bit of a might be an 641 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: issue there. I believe they went overboard to say it 642 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: was a impact spatter, but they wouldn't say it was blood. 643 00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,200 Speaker 1: But it had to be some type of bodily fluid 644 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 1: because that's what causes impact spatter. Hey, Matt, let me 645 00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,960 Speaker 1: ask you one more question. What evidence do they have 646 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: on all the financial related charges about I can only 647 00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,800 Speaker 1: guess to the teen and millions of dollars what evans? 648 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,200 Speaker 1: Do they have a paper trail? Oh? Yeah, they haven't 649 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,920 Speaker 1: got a huge, huge paper trail. They've got who have 650 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 1: checks out to cousin Eddie who does not appear to 651 00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 1: have any money. And don't forget there's also the drug 652 00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 1: trafficking charges that just popped up a week ago or 653 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:49,120 Speaker 1: so with cousin Eddie and him and Alec and he 654 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,400 Speaker 1: had a fake account Forge, which was very close to 655 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: a real company called Forge Take account. Yeah, kind of 656 00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:01,399 Speaker 1: a mitigation and closely resemble the name of a mitigation firm, right, yeah, yes, 657 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 1: And so they got tons of people were instead of 658 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:08,320 Speaker 1: like j C Pennies. Jacket says something like um C 659 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:13,399 Speaker 1: J Pennies or J D Pennies, some configuration like that 660 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: to trick the court and everyone else to think clients 661 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 1: money upon settlement from let's just saying insurance company would 662 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: be funneled into this mitigation firm, but it was actually 663 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,960 Speaker 1: his accounts. I mean, there's a trail a mile wide. 664 00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:32,240 Speaker 1: Plus you got a lot of clients that were never paid. 665 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,320 Speaker 1: You know. I just don't understand why this law firm 666 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: didn't notice it until there were how many dead bodies 667 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,920 Speaker 1: let's see one, two, three, four or five dead bodies. 668 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,720 Speaker 1: But hey, that's on them. We wait as the grand 669 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 1: jury hands down a true bill of indictment on double 670 00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 1: murder against Legal Air Alex Murdog Nancy Grace Crime Story, 671 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:03,800 Speaker 1: signing off goodbye, D three