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Speaker 1: Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hello, guys,
Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of The Break today where there's
Speaker 1: no more guessing. There's no more guessing about the draft.
Speaker 1: We already know all the picks and we're gonna break
Speaker 1: it down one by one and go over who these
Speaker 1: guys are and how do they affect the guys are
Speaker 1: already here, how do they play into the whole action?
Speaker 1: But before we get into it, how are you guys doing?
Speaker 1: I'm doing well and delightful good. It sounded like you
Speaker 1: were kind of just annoyed with the whole process of
Speaker 1: like not not annoyed, but like, hey, well, who's it
Speaker 1: gonna be? Who's gonna be? Now, it's like we're done,
Speaker 1: we know, we know. I thought it was going to
Speaker 1: be a quiet draft. But then on the third day
Speaker 1: the cot was ka kept trading back and they ended
Speaker 1: up with a total of eight picks. So it's funny
Speaker 1: how you say the guessing is over. The guessing of
Speaker 1: who is over, and now it's now there's even more
Speaker 1: question marks about like you know, Cam, but I know
Speaker 1: at least we know the guys names. We got a
Speaker 1: group of guys. If you don't, like you don't deal
Speaker 1: well with uncertainty, do you not for a long period
Speaker 1: of time if we're doing it for like a week
Speaker 1: two week? Nightmare? Basically it's just especially at the at
Speaker 1: fifty eight, that was a nightmare. I love it. I
Speaker 1: love the whole pre draft process, like you know, figuring
Speaker 1: out who they like, figuring out who's out there guessing,
Speaker 1: you know, it's fun to speculate. But anyway, for everyone
Speaker 1: dot com, you know you you had, like you guys
Speaker 1: talked about three hundred, four hundred players in this whole
Speaker 1: process and then to come out with eight of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and had you heard of all eight? Um? Heard of?
Speaker 1: Heard of? No? No? Yeah, no, not all? I mean no,
Speaker 1: because I'm not I'm not Brian and I'm definitely not Dane.
Speaker 1: Dane missed. Dane did not have a scouting report on
Speaker 1: one player and he was a long snapper. Oh one
Speaker 1: player than Cowboys one point player in the entire draft.
Speaker 1: Was he mad? He was pissed, and he said he
Speaker 1: was like he was like I included the six best
Speaker 1: rated long snappers in my draft guide and this guy
Speaker 1: was not one of them. So like somebody reached on
Speaker 1: a long snapper and Dane was pissed that he didn't
Speaker 1: do the homework. It's like, it's gonna be fine, man.
Speaker 1: You got two hundred and fifty three and the two
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty four. Um, yeah, they took They took
Speaker 1: a few guys that were kind of off my radar,
Speaker 1: but well, let's get it started, okay. Second round, they
Speaker 1: ended up going at fifty eight with defensive tackle Tristan Hill.
Speaker 1: Surprise here, obviously we were already talking about the position.
Speaker 1: This was a guy that was mentioned. I came in
Speaker 1: a Thursday and I looked over and Brian is sitting
Speaker 1: there looking at tape and like he has the last
Speaker 1: three weeks or three months, three weeks, three months, and
Speaker 1: he's got guys over his shoulder and they're just watching
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill, and it was almost like, you know this
Speaker 1: was gonna you know, this is definitely gonna happen in fact,
Speaker 1: the University of Central Florida called someone on our staff
Speaker 1: and said, hey, if you draft this guy tonight, just
Speaker 1: just know that it's UCF. We don't go by Central Florida.
Speaker 1: We want to go by UCF or University of Central Florida.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, okay, that's that's fun. But are you
Speaker 1: gonna call every team in the league or yeah, well
Speaker 1: then then sure enough here he ends up. So to
Speaker 1: say a surprise. Now, if you pay attention, this team
Speaker 1: is not afraid to tell you who they want to take,
Speaker 1: if you read between the lines and pay attention to
Speaker 1: what gets out. I think like a week before the draft,
Speaker 1: we were like, you know, nothing is for certain because
Speaker 1: there's fifty seven teams in front of him, but they
Speaker 1: are enamored with this kid. They value three to nique
Speaker 1: about you know, three technique and right defensive end. Those
Speaker 1: are the positions that Rod Marinelli's obsessed with. You know,
Speaker 1: I know, you know, there's to be perfectly blunt, there's
Speaker 1: a little bit of a backlash about the pick. I
Speaker 1: think there were there were probably guys with higher pure
Speaker 1: grades on the board. I don't know that for sure,
Speaker 1: but there probably were. Um but they value the hell
Speaker 1: out of that position. They need it. MALIEK. Collins is
Speaker 1: in a contract year. You know, basically all of their
Speaker 1: defensive tackles are in a contract year, and they think
Speaker 1: that this can be you know them, they haven't had
Speaker 1: a pure, you know, sack getting three technique since Jason
Speaker 1: Hatcher's contract year in twenty thirteen, and they think this
Speaker 1: guy can be that, and they thought it was worth
Speaker 1: the pick. A lot of people disagree with them. There's
Speaker 1: no way to know for sure, but they kind of
Speaker 1: they clearly they circled this dude's name with a red
Speaker 1: sharpie months ago. Yeah. They you know that they haven't
Speaker 1: addressed the safety position at a high pick, first or
Speaker 1: second round in a long time. And it's because they
Speaker 1: don't want to. I mean, they clearly just don't value
Speaker 1: that position at that at that price. It reminds me
Speaker 1: a lot of nose tackle too. Yeah, like they you know,
Speaker 1: they're never going to draft a nose tackle up here.
Speaker 1: Nose tackle in the first round? Was it Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: who said mentioned, okay, if you have a great line,
Speaker 1: but I mean pressuring the quarterbacking and getting to it
Speaker 1: that really helps the safety position. And it all It's
Speaker 1: a domino effect from from what it sounds like. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure this has been told on you know, Yesterday
Speaker 1: show and some of the other shows, but I mean,
Speaker 1: it sounded like they got in the room and one
Speaker 1: Thornhill from Virginia was the guy that they were wanting
Speaker 1: to take, and you know, they went around and I
Speaker 1: think they just felt better at safety, better with the
Speaker 1: guys that are there, with Heath and Woods. Um, then
Speaker 1: maybe they did in the long term um, you know,
Speaker 1: long term process of the defensive tackle position. They just
Speaker 1: felt better at what they had. It's another, you know,
Speaker 1: another reason I love the draft so much. It creates
Speaker 1: these subplots every year. We know who they liked and
Speaker 1: who they might have taken this year. So all eyes
Speaker 1: will be on Juan Thornhill in Kansas City to see
Speaker 1: how he does. If he becomes an All Pro. That's
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting. You know. Famously, they picked Taco Charlton
Speaker 1: over t J. Watton. Looks like a pretty bad pick.
Speaker 1: Right now. They picked Zach Martin over Johnny Manziel and
Speaker 1: that was a great idea. Zeke and Jalen Ramsey, every
Speaker 1: single pick could have been another guy. So for the
Speaker 1: next four years everyone. I mean, we'll have a close
Speaker 1: eye on wan Thornhill to see if they were right
Speaker 1: about Guy Ridley. Probably l Ridley or DJ Moore. That's
Speaker 1: a good question because I think they were so hell
Speaker 1: bent on Layton vander esh which speaking of safety, you know,
Speaker 1: I say that all the time is well, they could
Speaker 1: have traded up for Derwin James, Like it's pretty obvious
Speaker 1: that if Derwin James had been there at nineteen, they
Speaker 1: still would have taken Layton. Yeah, that's how much they
Speaker 1: thought about him. So, I mean, they both look like
Speaker 1: they're gonna be really good players. But I can't I
Speaker 1: can't knock. I can't knock the pick based on how
Speaker 1: great Layton was. And you said, I'm probably Ridley or
Speaker 1: DJ Moore if I had to guess. I think all
Speaker 1: the way back to Zach Martin in twenty fourteen, it's
Speaker 1: the last time I kind of think that we were
Speaker 1: a little surprised. Maybe or he came out of I
Speaker 1: don't know about out of nowhere, but there were so
Speaker 1: many defensive guys they wanted that it's like, well, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure who they're going to take, and they took
Speaker 1: Zach Martin and it was a somewhat of a surprise.
Speaker 1: But the next few years Byron Jones in fifteen Zeke
Speaker 1: and sixteen Taco, well, Tac Taco was a surprise. Was
Speaker 1: a surprise. I don't remember who was there. We knew
Speaker 1: thought of it might be that big talk foreigner. Oh,
Speaker 1: Kevin King, y, Yeah, we knew they were not high
Speaker 1: on t J. Watt. Kevin King was a consideration. I
Speaker 1: was surprised by the Taco pick. Yeah, that's true. I
Speaker 1: was gonna say that we hadn't been surprised. So we
Speaker 1: pretty much have the thing. If not to pat us
Speaker 1: on the back, but if you listen, I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're dialed into us in the weeks leading up to
Speaker 1: the draft, we might not one hundred percent nail it,
Speaker 1: but we're gonna give you the name eventually. I mean,
Speaker 1: one of the names we have circled will be the
Speaker 1: guy they pick every year. So this guy, and just
Speaker 1: by what I've seen briefly of him, he just seems
Speaker 1: like he's just a pain in the ass for the center.
Speaker 1: He just he just lines up over him in a
Speaker 1: in a you know, just all right off the ball
Speaker 1: and center guard. He just he's a problem. And you know,
Speaker 1: he's one of those high motor guys that really needs
Speaker 1: to be in an eight man rotation where he can
Speaker 1: just come in and be a part of it, which
Speaker 1: is what he'll have here. If you watch him on tape,
Speaker 1: he's always busting his butt to kill the quarterback like that.
Speaker 1: That's definitely true. And he you know, Dane Brugler, he's
Speaker 1: got a great line, Like there's only so many human
Speaker 1: beings on earth who are that size, who can move
Speaker 1: that quickly. He's six two and a half three hundred
Speaker 1: and eight pounds and can get off the snap. So
Speaker 1: I get why Rod Marinelli's enamored with him. I totally
Speaker 1: get it. Um you know, I might have drafted a
Speaker 1: safety in that spot, but they don't care about my opinion,
Speaker 1: so I would have taken to safety too. But you know,
Speaker 1: this draft more than any shows us that, and I
Speaker 1: know we're gonna get into the next picks too, But
Speaker 1: it's just it's, yes, it's about right now. But I
Speaker 1: think they did some projecting here in the future of
Speaker 1: like what this team is going to look like in
Speaker 1: a year, and really glad that we did this and
Speaker 1: this and this because of that, Well, I thought that.
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips wrote a pretty interesting article on Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot Com which where he mentions how this team has
Speaker 1: been picking for several years, how they reconstructed their offensive
Speaker 1: line and how that came out to be pretty solid
Speaker 1: during the end times of Romo and then transitioning to
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. Now their focus seemed to be unleas in
Speaker 1: the first three rounds to be on the d line,
Speaker 1: and Rob mary Nelly and what he's doing. So he
Speaker 1: goes to show what they're doing here, obviously drafting a
Speaker 1: guy in the second round defensive tackle, which we just mentioned,
Speaker 1: and then you got on the fifth round defensive end
Speaker 1: Joe Jackson, and then you go on to the last
Speaker 1: round defensive end Jalen Jump. Leave that. Leave that orphan
Speaker 1: talk at the door. In twenty nineteen, I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear it anymore. Yeah, no more. Got that one
Speaker 1: hundred and whatever million, DeMarcus Lawrence. You got second round
Speaker 1: pick Tristan Hill, third round pick Maleiue Collins, first round pick,
Speaker 1: Taco Charlton, third round pick. Crowded group, pretty Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: if he's there, Pretty pretty crowded room full of guys
Speaker 1: that they spent resources to get, so don't come at
Speaker 1: me with that stickery. It reminds me a lot of
Speaker 1: what Carolina did a few years ago when they just
Speaker 1: kept picking Yeah, second and third and first round guys,
Speaker 1: just just loading up the defensive line and before you
Speaker 1: know it, they have a really good team. I didn't
Speaker 1: last for that long and they and they didn't. It
Speaker 1: never does, you know, unless you're in Foxboro, Massachusetts. It
Speaker 1: just never lasts that. But it seems like this is
Speaker 1: the year for it. I mean, you got so many
Speaker 1: guys within the group to compete. A really good a
Speaker 1: really good player is going to get cut from this
Speaker 1: defensive line and that's in September. Like, there's just not enough. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's not enough space. Even if they keep ten, you're
Speaker 1: probably I mean, you know, you drafted three defensive linemen
Speaker 1: this year. You have Dorian's Armstrong, who's still coming on
Speaker 1: from last year. Like like, I I mean, are you
Speaker 1: surprised by how much resource they've put into this whole
Speaker 1: position group? Not really, because since they cut to Marcus Ware,
Speaker 1: their lack of pass rush has killed them on a
Speaker 1: number of occasions. Rod Marinelli clearly has a ton of
Speaker 1: influence in this organization and he's a past rush guru,
Speaker 1: so no, it doesn't surprise. And you know, if you
Speaker 1: think about the end of this season, I mean, the
Speaker 1: whole David Irvy thing was was weird, but but there
Speaker 1: was always a spot for him. And if if Irving
Speaker 1: ever showed up to practice and was there for a
Speaker 1: couple of weeks in a row and then they he's
Speaker 1: ready to play, that there would have been a spot.
Speaker 1: I don't know, he probably just takes because remember Karen
Speaker 1: Reid was playing, Daniel Ross was active, so there's a
Speaker 1: spot for Tristan Hill. You know, David Irving's gone Tristan
Speaker 1: Hill with his spot. But I think when you look
Speaker 1: at the whole like eight man rotation, let's just say
Speaker 1: that Gregory is active for week one, which is gonna
Speaker 1: be that's quite a story. Well, then with him back
Speaker 1: into the mix and all this story, Garry Jones has
Speaker 1: said that he's confident that he that he can be.
Speaker 1: Don't know how or what or how that's gonna work.
Speaker 1: But let's say he is defensive end. You're you're a
Speaker 1: rotation for that first game against the Giants. You've got
Speaker 1: what DeMarcus and Quinn DeMarcus and Quinn and then Gregory
Speaker 1: would probably be your number two right end. And then dude,
Speaker 1: just depends on what Taco and figure out I would
Speaker 1: say Taco at left end. But figure out what you
Speaker 1: want to do with Tyrone. Is he in it? I
Speaker 1: mean I assume he's going to play in It's just
Speaker 1: you know, people talk about kicking him inside to tackle
Speaker 1: like that's not a six month project to bulk yourself
Speaker 1: up like that. You know, So he plays in, then
Speaker 1: I mean you just put doorn Armstrong is not not available.
Speaker 1: I didn't kick him off the team, just not kicked
Speaker 1: him off the team, just not in that group the
Speaker 1: to tackle the two ends they just drafted. You know,
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with them. But then on the inside,
Speaker 1: you've got no particular order. But you've got Hill, You've
Speaker 1: got Malite, Collins, You've got Woods, Antoine and um see
Speaker 1: that's where that's where I think I think the Tyrone
Speaker 1: needs the better start feeding him twinking right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he looks like an end. I was trying to go
Speaker 1: over the sponsor. I could come. He's at the facility
Speaker 1: all the time. He doesn't look he looks like an end.
Speaker 1: So he needs they need to. Yeah, it sucks for
Speaker 1: important guy. He's always having to go back and forth.
Speaker 1: I know that's tough. All right, Well you said you're
Speaker 1: not surprised, Okay, yeah. Do you like it? Do you
Speaker 1: like that they use all these resources on this whole group? Well,
Speaker 1: like I said, I mean, you know, there's plenty of
Speaker 1: people who think that they reached and you know this
Speaker 1: was you know, they got over excited about this player
Speaker 1: and went up for it. Like basically, it's it's a need,
Speaker 1: it's something they needed to do. It's a position they
Speaker 1: needed to do something about. They don't have any defensive
Speaker 1: tackles under contract, and I just keep going back to
Speaker 1: Will mcclay's track record is worth trusting for me. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, Taco looks like a bad pick, but basically
Speaker 1: every meaningful pick they've made since twenty fourteen when he
Speaker 1: started running the draft board has been pretty good. Zach Martin,
Speaker 1: DeMarcus Lawrence, Byron Jones, even even mid rounders like Anthony Hitchins,
Speaker 1: Damian Wilson, Jeff Swaim, Zeke Elliott, Dak Prescott, MALIEK. Collins.
Speaker 1: Like the track record is there, Anthony Brown, Anthony Brown,
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods, you know, and it sucks that he, you know,
Speaker 1: every everything about Randy Gregory turned out to be true,
Speaker 1: Like he's talented enough to justify that pick, and he's
Speaker 1: troubled enough that maybe they shouldn't have done it. So
Speaker 1: but by and large, the track record is there that
Speaker 1: I'm not going to kill them for thinking this guy's special,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, until we have a chance to see
Speaker 1: him play. Why. I know, tomorrow on the Draft show
Speaker 1: at eleven and Will McClay is supposed to them in
Speaker 1: and talk with them, and not only are they going
Speaker 1: to talk about this year's draft, but the twenty sixteen draft,
Speaker 1: Because if you're talking about really evaluating what a draft is, like,
Speaker 1: we can't evaluate this draft yet until they get on
Speaker 1: the field takes about three years. Twenty sixteen. It's a
Speaker 1: it's a good draft to evaluate because it's like one
Speaker 1: of the best drafts in modern history. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: not only did you get a franchise quarterback and running
Speaker 1: back out of it, but I think everybody but Tapper
Speaker 1: is on the team right now. Yep, that's amazing. It's unprecedented.
Speaker 1: Like half, i mean, probably two, if not more of
Speaker 1: the guys they just drafted on Saturday, you know, won't
Speaker 1: be here by September, and all their guys, you know,
Speaker 1: Darius Shackson did leave, went away for a while. When
Speaker 1: he came back, Rico and Cavan and missing somebody in
Speaker 1: the middle there, probably Mary Brown. Yeah, yeah, well, speaking
Speaker 1: of Rico, I mean, we'll keep going down the line.
Speaker 1: But surprised that the tight end position wasn't addressed. I
Speaker 1: mean that was one position that there was a good
Speaker 1: amount of people talking about it and that the complice
Speaker 1: should drafted tight end. I think I think if you
Speaker 1: get one early, like in the second round, if somebody
Speaker 1: falls to you and you take one there, that makes
Speaker 1: sense at anything after that. I just don't feel like
Speaker 1: they're going to be that much better than Schultz and Blake,
Speaker 1: Darwin and Rico. I just feel like they've been here
Speaker 1: enough time where it's gonna be hard for anybody else
Speaker 1: to jump in and take that spot unless you have
Speaker 1: just an ultra talented guy that was like, well, he's
Speaker 1: going to be better than all of them. The difference
Speaker 1: between like I'm sorry, I'm gonna throw shade, I don't care.
Speaker 1: The difference between following like national coverage of this team
Speaker 1: and following US is as soon as Jason Witten came
Speaker 1: back in February, you just removed tight end from the
Speaker 1: draft board, like unless something crazy happened, like Noah Fan
Speaker 1: fell to fifty eight, which was never gonna happen. He
Speaker 1: went twentieth. Overall, they weren't going to do that. They're like,
Speaker 1: you know this band aid here, Witten's not coming off
Speaker 1: the field that much. And even if he does, you
Speaker 1: got these two promising young guys and Rico's still there. Maybe,
Speaker 1: like they just I don't think they were going to
Speaker 1: do that. Yeah, like a guy that you draft that late,
Speaker 1: like where where are the snaps coming from? Where? Like
Speaker 1: when is he going to be on the field? And
Speaker 1: so I just laugh, like in April when national outlets
Speaker 1: are like who they need to tight ends? Like, no,
Speaker 1: they stopped talking about that three months ago. They didn't
Speaker 1: draft the tight end. And then looking at the free
Speaker 1: rookie free agents, they didn't bring one in, did they not? Where? Nope?
Speaker 1: They did not. This it's you know, that's a little surprised,
Speaker 1: and I thought they might do that, you know, just
Speaker 1: just Sternburger. Did they bring him Sternberger? I have the
Speaker 1: list right now. I'm talking rookie in the rookie free
Speaker 1: agents that they signed. No, no, but Fremberger was the
Speaker 1: second round pick when yeah, I thought they brought him
Speaker 1: in thirty visits. Oh yeah, oh oh no, we were talking. Sorry,
Speaker 1: we were talking about after the draft. You're good. The
Speaker 1: rookie free agents that they signed. They usually will get
Speaker 1: a couple of those, um just just for depth purposes.
Speaker 1: But that's I mean, they did sign a guy and
Speaker 1: they it goes off, it goes contrary to everything. You know,
Speaker 1: you're like draft for three years from now, not for today.
Speaker 1: But like again, witness ye he's gonna play a lot,
Speaker 1: and then you got two guys you got to figure out.
Speaker 1: Let's just assume and then you're getting rid of one
Speaker 1: of them. Right, Well, I would be kind of surprised
Speaker 1: if Frico's still here in September, but I think we
Speaker 1: said that a year ago and two years ago too,
Speaker 1: so this is probably it for him. But but what
Speaker 1: if the light bulb comes on. Let's just assume Witton
Speaker 1: retires after the twenty nineteen season, then you still have
Speaker 1: then you you know, make the press Conference's good. Hopefully
Speaker 1: we won't plan our biggest staff outing of the year.
Speaker 1: For that weekend this time, Um, let's just assume he retires.
Speaker 1: Then you've got a three year player in Jarwin and Schultz,
Speaker 1: So you've got two guys who can conceivably handle the
Speaker 1: job at least adequately. And then you have a chance
Speaker 1: to draft a guy high who can come in and
Speaker 1: get snaps immediately rather than a guy who's just going
Speaker 1: to waste away and maybe maybe even be like a
Speaker 1: game day inactive, Like, Yeah, you're supposed to make these
Speaker 1: decisions with the future in mind, but I just don't
Speaker 1: think it made sense for nineteen with Whitten being here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and take a quick break. When we
Speaker 1: come back, we'll dive into the third round, pick a
Speaker 1: guard and how this changes things up in the old line.
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Speaker 1: Back to the break, Welcome back now. Like I mentioned before,
Speaker 1: we're going to discuss third round pick guard Connor McGovern
Speaker 1: my favorite pick your favorite one wide now because kind
Speaker 1: of what we just were saying about tight end, you know,
Speaker 1: they didn't need one, they didn't need one, but they
Speaker 1: would have taken one if he was just so good
Speaker 1: that he was right there for him. And that's what
Speaker 1: I loved about that pick is I think that was
Speaker 1: the most discipline thing that they that they've done. It's
Speaker 1: like they didn't because it sounds like they had a
Speaker 1: higher grade than they did for Tristan Hill. So they
Speaker 1: took Tristan Hill because it was a high pick and
Speaker 1: a need. They're not gonna mess with guard right here
Speaker 1: in the second round just doesn't make sense. But man,
Speaker 1: if he's still here in the third round, go for it. No,
Speaker 1: we can figure something out here. And maybe this is
Speaker 1: one of those twenty twenty picks, but I thought it
Speaker 1: was an outstanding pick to get him and then and
Speaker 1: then to show best player available really does matter. Maybe
Speaker 1: not in your first pick, but it matters. I think
Speaker 1: it wouldn't matter with your first pick. It just depends.
Speaker 1: Like that's it was fascinating their first two picks, where
Speaker 1: like this blend between the two is like, well, it's
Speaker 1: really best player available with a need, but it gets
Speaker 1: to a point. It always gets to a point where
Speaker 1: you're like, well, I mean, what are we supposed to do?
Speaker 1: This guy is graded twice as high as anybody left
Speaker 1: on our board. Yeah, which so yeah, I mean they
Speaker 1: maybe they reached a little bit in with their first
Speaker 1: pick and then they really went true BPA right after that.
Speaker 1: So so then what happens now? How does this guy
Speaker 1: play into the whole old line? What happens here and
Speaker 1: moving around? There's so many scenarios that you could see
Speaker 1: play out here that we won't know until they start
Speaker 1: playing football. I mean, the one guy in this whole
Speaker 1: group that I think will definitely one hundred thousand percent
Speaker 1: be on the team next year or playing in his
Speaker 1: position as Zach Martin, yes, and everything else is a
Speaker 1: little bit out there. Question now, I think you tried
Speaker 1: to retire him last year or two years ago, but no,
Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is is that we'll see what
Speaker 1: he does this year. But his contract is so good
Speaker 1: and so team friendly that there's there's no reason to
Speaker 1: really do anything with him. He's not at that point
Speaker 1: where you're like, well, maybe we should move on. I
Speaker 1: don't think so. He was awesome last year for the
Speaker 1: most part. I mean, you know, he battled injuries again
Speaker 1: and he got called for whole yeah, a few, way
Speaker 1: more often than you're used to. But you go back
Speaker 1: and watch those reps and you're like, I don't really
Speaker 1: see what he's doing wrong. Um No, I think I
Speaker 1: think Tyrn and Zacher here, there's but there's so many
Speaker 1: there's so many variable you know, we feel really good
Speaker 1: about Travis Frederick's availability, but you'd like to see him
Speaker 1: play football first, right, Well, McGovern played center at Penn State.
Speaker 1: He can do that. He could be your left guard
Speaker 1: based on the way people are just praising the hell
Speaker 1: out of him, Like I'm almost tempted to think maybe
Speaker 1: he could compete with Connor Williams. Right now, having said that,
Speaker 1: Connor Williams looked like, I mean, he got in the
Speaker 1: gym this offseason big time. So but then, well, they
Speaker 1: talked about moving him to which that raises the question of,
Speaker 1: you know, Lyle Collins more than likely isn't here next year.
Speaker 1: It's I mean, he's just if he's remotely good this season,
Speaker 1: he's going to get paid far too much to stay.
Speaker 1: So you could move Connor Williams. Do you move Connor
Speaker 1: We talked about this this morning in the office, kind
Speaker 1: of shooting the breeze, like do you just move him
Speaker 1: now so he gets acclimated and he could be your
Speaker 1: swing tackle, or do you want you know, the proverbial
Speaker 1: best five that they love the spout and keep him
Speaker 1: there this year and McGovern, you know, McGovern's presence could
Speaker 1: be trouble for Joe Looney because they do they have
Speaker 1: the same skill set. They play all three interior spots,
Speaker 1: which nothing summarizes the nature of the NFL more than
Speaker 1: and you did a great job, Joe, thank you for
Speaker 1: saving our season and starting sixteen games. But now we
Speaker 1: just drafted this kid that might take your job. And
Speaker 1: all that being said, if if, if, if it's all
Speaker 1: fair and everyone's just you know, competing at the same level,
Speaker 1: who's to say that that with a full off season
Speaker 1: and Xavier Suafilo can't go in another one be better
Speaker 1: than Connor McGovern, O'Connor Williams, you know at the guard spot.
Speaker 1: So if it's anything similar to last year with injuries,
Speaker 1: you know, everyone had something pop up during the season,
Speaker 1: like yes, they they beat that down during the post
Speaker 1: draft press conferences, like we learned last year like as
Speaker 1: good as you might think a group can be, just
Speaker 1: keep adding talent to it because you never know what's
Speaker 1: going to happen. And that's true, I believe that. But
Speaker 1: like you just said about Connor Williams, he's you know,
Speaker 1: obviously been in the gym this year to play guard.
Speaker 1: He probably starting to look like a guard now that
Speaker 1: he was going to be moving out to tackle. Then
Speaker 1: maybe it's a different His shoulders are awfully broad, like
Speaker 1: he just I don't know which I'm not an expert
Speaker 1: on that, but he looks like a guard right now.
Speaker 1: That's what I think. But you know, Jeff Kavanaugh was
Speaker 1: with us on Saturday. He was like, why can't why
Speaker 1: can't lie all be your left guard in twenty nineteen
Speaker 1: and move Connor Williams to write tackle now? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't see that happen. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe McGovern is is your center of the future. Maybe
Speaker 1: that's it too. Maybe maybe it's like, let's see how
Speaker 1: this goes with Travis, but we just we never know,
Speaker 1: and maybe he's he's gonna be what it like, We
Speaker 1: never know. So what if the answer to your question
Speaker 1: is that Travis goes back to making Pro Bowls. Okay,
Speaker 1: well then, now, yeah, which position was his main position? Question?
Speaker 1: I think it was guard guard, but he played center
Speaker 1: pretty extensively too. I mean I know that I just
Speaker 1: talked out of both sides of my mouth, but he
Speaker 1: did both. So I had lunched with a scalt the
Speaker 1: other day, was just talking and he said, this doesn't
Speaker 1: leave the table, but I'm gonna say it, don't take
Speaker 1: it from the table. He just loved the pick. He
Speaker 1: just said that was my favorite pick too. He was like,
Speaker 1: he's just he's so smart. That's why that's your favor. No, no,
Speaker 1: I said at that night, why, like, that's not even juicy.
Speaker 1: Oh you drafted a guy at ninety that you could
Speaker 1: that you graded at thirty five and you love the pick.
Speaker 1: Oh man, Oh, don't tell anybody that that's just close
Speaker 1: top secret information. That being said, you know exactly who
Speaker 1: I was talking with. I probably if somebody don't leave
Speaker 1: the table here, you know, Yes, UM wasn't anything crazy,
Speaker 1: But but I know I like that pick then, because
Speaker 1: I do like the best available. I like the saying
Speaker 1: you know what we're gonna we're gonna do that first
Speaker 1: second pick. I like best available. Need after that go
Speaker 1: with its available player. Anytime you get an insane value,
Speaker 1: it's fun. Yeah. I think McGovern's probably the favorite of
Speaker 1: a lot of people on that side of the building
Speaker 1: because he could have been a you know, people saying
Speaker 1: top fifty, top sixty pick, and you got him at ninety.
Speaker 1: See what I love the most about it is not
Speaker 1: taking him at ninety. It's not taking him at fifty eight.
Speaker 1: So it's talk about being hypocritical here. It's like, he's
Speaker 1: the highest rated player you have, because I think that
Speaker 1: best available players sometimes can be bs. I really do.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, if you had a quarterback rated, how
Speaker 1: you're not taking him? So we know it's not always
Speaker 1: best available. You do need to go with needs. So
Speaker 1: they showed that in the second round, but then they
Speaker 1: wiped it off the table in the third round. They said,
Speaker 1: all right now, now that's what I liked about it
Speaker 1: is is that it kind of shows that it's not
Speaker 1: always best available player, but it can be when the
Speaker 1: time is right. It's kind of like Gregory and back
Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, I'm not taking this guy with all
Speaker 1: the problems at twenty eight, no way. What he's there
Speaker 1: at sixty, get him on the phone. It called Charles
Speaker 1: Haley and can get him on the phone and let's
Speaker 1: make this happens. That would have been a terrible twenty
Speaker 1: eight right twenty seven seven, But yeah, oh yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: for sure. But then get Byron and he's been solid
Speaker 1: and so he's been good and he hasn't been solid.
Speaker 1: It's very hard to predict what Connor McGovern's presence here
Speaker 1: means right now, but I think their offensive line will
Speaker 1: be better for it. Now, here's another pick that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys seem very excited about, and Stephen Jones went as
Speaker 1: far as saying he has a little bit of Alvin
Speaker 1: Kamara in him. Running back to the expectations on the
Speaker 1: guy running back, Tony Polart Pollard. It has an accent.
Speaker 1: It comes out of my mouth, so it's it's fair
Speaker 1: kind of like Scottie Pip. Yeah, fourth round. Thoughts about
Speaker 1: this guy and what he can bring. Obviously, we talked
Speaker 1: about the running back position and uh Zekiel Eliott needing
Speaker 1: a backup guy that can come in and help him
Speaker 1: lift up, get some weight off his shoulder. This is
Speaker 1: this is the part of the year where you really
Speaker 1: have to guard against, which you know, Chris Hall came on.
Speaker 1: He Chris Hall, assistant director of College Scouting. He was
Speaker 1: on hanging with the boys yesterday, and uh, you know
Speaker 1: it's a various stew point. He's like, obviously we love
Speaker 1: all these guys. We just drafted him all like, so
Speaker 1: you got to guard against that. But if Tony Pollard
Speaker 1: could be half of what they're saying he could be,
Speaker 1: then you should be excited as hell, because you know,
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones likned him to Kamara. He's you know, he's
Speaker 1: a he's a four three seven athlete. He can I
Speaker 1: mean I saw the play you just diagrammed, Brian, thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us. Dudes got out dressed in everybody Seriously,
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. Dudes got burst for days. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know. He motions around in the Memphis offense. He
Speaker 1: plays in the slot. They move him all around. They
Speaker 1: all that exciting stuff that NFL offenses are doing. Now
Speaker 1: he can do it. Now do you buy that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys can make it work? See that's where that's where
Speaker 1: And I just I kind of put it. I just
Speaker 1: shot something for the Blitz and that I said that,
Speaker 1: And you're absolutely right about this. Don't tell me how
Speaker 1: great this guy is. I could see it with my
Speaker 1: own eyes. You know, don't keep telling me when we
Speaker 1: get to Oxen Hole, we're gonna do things. We're gonna
Speaker 1: do things, And then all of a sudden we come
Speaker 1: out of Oxnard and it's like, do you feel any
Speaker 1: better about Tony Pollard here? And all of a sudden
Speaker 1: he's a week two inactive, a week three inactive, a
Speaker 1: week six inactive. Then then now it's gonna be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we don't need to hear it. We need to see
Speaker 1: if this is on Kellen Moore. Kellen Moore needs to
Speaker 1: come up with a clear plan of either hand him
Speaker 1: to football or like the play I just broke down,
Speaker 1: throw it to him the flat and just let him
Speaker 1: explode past people. The way that I don't think he's
Speaker 1: going to be inactive is because it sounds like he'll
Speaker 1: do so many things on special teams to first of all,
Speaker 1: first of all, yeah, you were there, but to the
Speaker 1: point you guys are making, yeah you can. Jamay'z ali
Speaker 1: wality was also there, and we don't see him on
Speaker 1: offense either, so you can get lost on special teams.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna be worth of forty because you don't
Speaker 1: need a fourth round pick to do that. Stephen Jones
Speaker 1: like it was amazing, Like I would like, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, you have those moments where you're recording an
Speaker 1: interview and he's like, You're like, he knows, he knows
Speaker 1: he's on the record, right, Like which he I mean,
Speaker 1: he's basically he's like, look, no disrespect to Mike Webber,
Speaker 1: but like Mike Webber is the type of when he's
Speaker 1: the seventh round pick, so he's like, no disrespect to him,
Speaker 1: but he's basically Zeke a couple of clicks down, so
Speaker 1: he's he's just you your basic running back with a
Speaker 1: lesser skill set. Obviously he's a seventh round pick. And
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, Pollard can do this, this and this.
Speaker 1: He can return kicks, he can return ponts, he can catch,
Speaker 1: he can do all this. So like Zeke and Pollard
Speaker 1: are your two backs. And then we think jama'ze Olawalley
Speaker 1: can can run if we need him too, So like
Speaker 1: those are your three, and you know, if Zeke gets hurt,
Speaker 1: then maybe Mike Webber can come in and help carry
Speaker 1: the load. But like until then, we'll just keep him
Speaker 1: off to the side. I was like, thanks, for thanks
Speaker 1: for giving us the September strategy. In April, Steven just
Speaker 1: cringes with, here's any kind of comparison. Yeah, did you
Speaker 1: guys get the feeling that they really really liked Mike Webber?
Speaker 1: Did that mean that the grade wise where he sat
Speaker 1: on their board and all that, and maybe it was
Speaker 1: maybe it was one of those things where it was
Speaker 1: just too valuable there. We always talked on the Draft
Speaker 1: show about traits and about how can you pass up guys.
Speaker 1: It's the same way with McGovern. You know, you look
Speaker 1: at McGovern and you say, oh, can I have his
Speaker 1: second round grade on this guy? And hell, let's make
Speaker 1: it work, you know, whatever we have to do, let's
Speaker 1: make it work here. Maybe Brian knows that answer better
Speaker 1: than we were talking about McGovern. Where did he play
Speaker 1: more a guard? Center guard? Again, he's one of those
Speaker 1: guys that the numbers of starts at each position is fine.
Speaker 1: I mean that that's where they got a really you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about Connor Williams lack in power last year.
Speaker 1: If this guy's got power and so there's no if
Speaker 1: he has to sit and wait, it's just gonna be
Speaker 1: about learning and learning pro techniques. And stuff like that.
Speaker 1: You know, Liken Connor Williams had to throw him into
Speaker 1: the fire. This guy don't think they have to throw
Speaker 1: into the fire yet. It's going to get to learn
Speaker 1: from Zach Martin and those guys. Yeah, he'll be fine.
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick being back, that'll help all those guys for sure,
Speaker 1: these guys being Sorry, woman, go ahead, I was gonna
Speaker 1: say that, with these guys being drafted, are you still
Speaker 1: expecting them to even use Jordan Lewis as part of
Speaker 1: the offense and adding him at all? Due respect, guy,
Speaker 1: I love Jordan. You always say at lunch about Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 1: You have a really good line about Jordan Lewis. You
Speaker 1: put me on the spike the year the year he is.
Speaker 1: I think he's a damn good He's a damn good
Speaker 1: football player who got drafted a year before they changed
Speaker 1: their scheme, Like he just got screwed over by the circumstances. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they hired a coach who doesn't think his skill set
Speaker 1: fits with what they want to do a year after
Speaker 1: they drift. Even though those eight plays against New Orleans
Speaker 1: were glorious, he was awesome. Yeah, I think he's a
Speaker 1: hell of a player. I mean, I'm not you know,
Speaker 1: he's not. He might not be Patrick Peterson, but he's
Speaker 1: an eight plays. It's like eight plays and the last one,
Speaker 1: the last one was the big the big plays. You
Speaker 1: think aout the pick. Yeah, no, but I think that
Speaker 1: What I was gonna say is it's interesting, like we
Speaker 1: get we get a little bit of the picture. You know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of like it's like a blurry picture and
Speaker 1: then it comes into focus. After the draft, we were
Speaker 1: just hammering that they want to complete back. They want
Speaker 1: to complete back to fill Zeke's role if he goes out, Well,
Speaker 1: they got that guy, but they're also saying, we need
Speaker 1: somebody who can compliment him. And I had a conversation
Speaker 1: with somebody a week before the draft, and I felt
Speaker 1: stupid for not thinking about it. He's like, well, if
Speaker 1: a guy we draft is just Zeke Light, then what
Speaker 1: purpose is he really serving? Unless Zeke gets hurt, like
Speaker 1: you know, a Travion Williams for instance. I got you know,
Speaker 1: I loved him. I mocked him here at ninety A
Speaker 1: lot of Cowboys fans wanted him six. Yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: he's not playing special teams for you, He's not. He's
Speaker 1: not playing flyer on punt team, He's not returning kicks
Speaker 1: like that's not his skill set. He's supposed to be
Speaker 1: a starting running back. So I think they wanted to
Speaker 1: compliment just as much as they wanted a replacement, and
Speaker 1: they wound up getting both. Which right now, I don't
Speaker 1: have confidence that they'll use Tony Pollard the way they
Speaker 1: say they will because I need to see it. I
Speaker 1: wrote ten stories about all the ways they could use
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin last year and it didn't materialize. But if
Speaker 1: they can find a way to use him, it could
Speaker 1: be really exciting. Amber. Can I ask a question of
Speaker 1: the group, and you please answer this as well? Going
Speaker 1: into the draft, which group do you feel now better
Speaker 1: about the defensive tackle group or not me going to
Speaker 1: the draft, but going into free agency and now the draft,
Speaker 1: which group do you feel better about the upgrades of
Speaker 1: the backups? Defensive tackle or running back? Because both those
Speaker 1: were positions. Both those positions were like defensive tackle because
Speaker 1: I trust Rod Marinell to get ross and read and
Speaker 1: not only I just I trust Rod Marinelli to get
Speaker 1: the most out of those guys more than I trust
Speaker 1: the offensive staff to use Tony Pollard like, show me,
Speaker 1: show me something. I think so defensive tackle, just because
Speaker 1: if if I have to have an injury there in
Speaker 1: the middle, I lie some of the backups that can
Speaker 1: the options you have there, I don't like the options.
Speaker 1: If Zeke goes down, I don't like him yet. I mean,
Speaker 1: and I mean, hey, Mike, Mike Webber might be a
Speaker 1: steal he I mean, he's coming from a badass program.
Speaker 1: But I mean, bo Scarborough was exciting when they drafted
Speaker 1: him in the same range last year. Last long the
Speaker 1: biggest Darius Jackson fan in the world. He's got six,
Speaker 1: He's got six NFL career carry box years. Kidgo, where
Speaker 1: did holy Field go? Did he not get that? That
Speaker 1: was my pet cat? Can I say he wound up
Speaker 1: with a with Carolina? Good for him. You run a
Speaker 1: five second forty at running back at a lot of people,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna they at least have a backup. You're
Speaker 1: going on up, Darius Jackson was drafting, I'm tired running back,
Speaker 1: Mike Webber, Right, that's I just I want to keep
Speaker 1: it in perspective. But easier to throw in one of
Speaker 1: those backup running backs and have it work, right, Dave guys, right,
Speaker 1: you would hope. So is that just spent another top
Speaker 1: one hundred pick on an offensive lineman, I would hope.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, when you look at DeMarco Murray set
Speaker 1: records here and then he left, and then McFadden came
Speaker 1: in and had one of his better years, and then
Speaker 1: he left, and then and then Zeke's led the league
Speaker 1: two out of the three years that he's been. You
Speaker 1: think if Zeke if which knock on, all of the
Speaker 1: would but if Zeke went down for a significant period
Speaker 1: of time, you think they would roll with what they
Speaker 1: have here. I think they would, you think, so, I
Speaker 1: don't think i'd buy that. Well, I think they would
Speaker 1: because they have They obviously have enough faith draft faith
Speaker 1: in the two guys they selected. I mean, if I
Speaker 1: explaining from what I know where those guys sat on
Speaker 1: their board, they have faith that those guys can come
Speaker 1: in and plug and play if they had to. I
Speaker 1: really believe them. I don't know if I was supposed
Speaker 1: to say this, must say it anyways, I'm really glad
Speaker 1: they draft the two backs because if they didn't, I
Speaker 1: think Alfred Morris was coming back. And I don't really
Speaker 1: want that. I mean, Jerry said it. He was like no,
Speaker 1: but he just said, you know, we'll get a free
Speaker 1: agent running back and there's only so many available still. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So the thing about it is, Dave, you guy, you
Speaker 1: went back and said this even during the draft show,
Speaker 1: that the prospects of the free agent running back was
Speaker 1: not great. No, it's not, so why not go ahead
Speaker 1: and said, you know what, I'm just saying, Darius Jackson
Speaker 1: was drafted higher than Mike Webber was. Both Scarborough came
Speaker 1: from Alabama. He came from a big program too, Like
Speaker 1: he's okay, Now, hold on, you guys are just confusing me.
Speaker 1: Why because all this talk about it's so easy to
Speaker 1: find the running back and there's they're out there in
Speaker 1: the draft and it's easy to bring them in. That's
Speaker 1: an easy position to replace. So what's up now? All
Speaker 1: I'm telling you is that the narrative changes from April
Speaker 1: to September. It does every single year. I don't I mean,
Speaker 1: we got to see this. Maybe Mike Webber might blow
Speaker 1: us all away. I don't know the argument here, Well,
Speaker 1: I don't really know the argument. I don't know. No, No,
Speaker 1: we're good. I think the thing at the point is,
Speaker 1: though something were to happen, to Zeke. I think they
Speaker 1: would be okay, I think they would now we would
Speaker 1: question every single step. You already questioned the fact that
Speaker 1: they're not going to use uh Tony Pollard, right, I
Speaker 1: just want to see it to believe it. I tell
Speaker 1: because history tells you they're not. I've done the blind
Speaker 1: trusting thing. I'm done with that. Like I feel like
Speaker 1: an idiot when myself about Dan's worried this year he's
Speaker 1: gonna fall for something, to training camp, all we all fall.
Speaker 1: I'm tired of it. Tired training camp. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I can't remember his name right now. Wide receiver Tavon Austin, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't. I mean all this great time back, all
Speaker 1: this talk about him and how they can use him
Speaker 1: so many ways, and you never really know if people
Speaker 1: take it out on us when we spend all spring
Speaker 1: hyping guys up and it doesn't pan out. I'm done
Speaker 1: with that. You know what's really happening is is that
Speaker 1: nobody really thinks right now that they have a new
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator because they don't ye now because if you did,
Speaker 1: which there's less trust and killing more than they are
Speaker 1: on these backs. I was gonna I was gonna bring that. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, because there's a new coordinator, we don't
Speaker 1: know how he's gonna do things. But it's like everyone
Speaker 1: still feels like he's not a new coordinator. I just
Speaker 1: this is totally unfair. I don't care. I think I trustless.
Speaker 1: I think I trust Kellen Moore more than I trust
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett's willingness to let him loose, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? If that makes sense, like it's felt nobody
Speaker 1: went with you there? Yeah, no, no, no there. I
Speaker 1: don't care. No, I don't trust Jason Garrett to let
Speaker 1: a first year offensive coordinator get crazy. Not really. I mean,
Speaker 1: and he better be better, figure out something or he's
Speaker 1: gonna be But he can't. He can't just say just
Speaker 1: like you got it, he's gonna be like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's see how you got it. If not all right,
Speaker 1: let me see show up that defense. You You feel
Speaker 1: better now about Kellen Moore or Scotland a hand last
Speaker 1: year at this time? Uh? Probably more? Is it just
Speaker 1: because you got so tired of Scotland just because it's new? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: All right, we have two guys left, and hopefully we
Speaker 1: get to the undrafted free agents and hit that a
Speaker 1: little bit. So let's move on to fifth round pick,
Speaker 1: cornerback Michael Jackson. More than two, don't we left? Well,
Speaker 1: we covered whatever I came in late, so you guys
Speaker 1: are hitting all the picks. So we have the we
Speaker 1: have the secondary Mike Jackson calling him Mike. Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna call him Mike. I just yeah, that's if that's
Speaker 1: his name. That I just really was so uncomfortable when
Speaker 1: we're like, we've got the secret audio of Michael Jackson,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't like this. Yeah, like it doesn't.
Speaker 1: I don't like it either. He can be changing people's
Speaker 1: name either, I know, but I think he says he
Speaker 1: goes by Mike. I think he goes by Mike. All right, anyway,
Speaker 1: you just want to be starting something right now, don't you. Sorry,
Speaker 1: fair boy. I don't even know if we all got
Speaker 1: it in the room, but that was one of the
Speaker 1: better ones. Good job, thank you. It was. This is another.
Speaker 1: This is another, This is it's interesting and again, you know,
Speaker 1: we talked about it on the Draft show. Like so
Speaker 1: many of these decisions, so many of these decisions look
Speaker 1: like they're geared toward twenty twenty because you don't need
Speaker 1: this guy right now, which you might. Steven Jones kind
Speaker 1: of slipped that in there on Saturday Night. He's like, well,
Speaker 1: we think Byron will be ready for the season, but
Speaker 1: if he's not, he's like whoa, hey, which was because
Speaker 1: usually they're pretty confident or like, you know they'll be
Speaker 1: they'll I've pretty confident I'll be ready. Byron's on crutches
Speaker 1: right now, so walked by the lunch him yesterday's crutches. Yeah. Um.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like it's hard to imagine
Speaker 1: they are gonna want to get rid of him because
Speaker 1: he's this Chris He's this Chris Rashard archetype again, Like
Speaker 1: he's everything Jordan Lewis isn't. He's like three inches taller
Speaker 1: than Jordan Lewis. He's long and rangy and Chris Rochard.
Speaker 1: I just have to imagine he's like, just give me
Speaker 1: a guy that I can sort of build, you know,
Speaker 1: build the future of this secondary around, or try to
Speaker 1: be traded in that Saturday that's I don't I don't
Speaker 1: disagree with Saturday's sixth round pick. I agree with you
Speaker 1: and I hate it. Like he's a good player, he's
Speaker 1: one of the best personalities on the team. Arms he
Speaker 1: does have about that tentles. Yeah. If this if this
Speaker 1: guy is worth glad, you get that right. If this
Speaker 1: guy can play worth a spit, then I agree with
Speaker 1: you because he just he fits it. You know, were
Speaker 1: you were you a Lomba? Yeah, no, no, that's my guy. Yeah.
Speaker 1: See this is this is one of the classic Brian
Speaker 1: your face up, Yeah, this is one of This is
Speaker 1: the classic Brian brought us over cell about a guy
Speaker 1: you're just You're just He's just here all the time.
Speaker 1: That's nobody's in this buildings here all the time too,
Speaker 1: and no one's but we think team spirit. He's the
Speaker 1: biggest cheerleader. Well, I hope you hope you think you
Speaker 1: just like a lumba because the college he went to
Speaker 1: was like brought us University, No, Alverson brought us. Now
Speaker 1: that is a real place. The I think a sweatshirt.
Speaker 1: By the way, if you're listening to Alverson broad Us,
Speaker 1: I'd love a sweatshirt from there. Uh, the the the
Speaker 1: the thing with a Lumbo. Differently, it's one D. It's
Speaker 1: like Snoop Dogg's name. I am Amber takes me up.
Speaker 1: Cowboys Cowboy to the Cowboys drop stay on target, hop
Speaker 1: scotch Cowboys, thank you. Why do you like this guy?
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why I like this guy because I
Speaker 1: felt like though during when you get kids that play
Speaker 1: in the practice squad that all year long, they're there
Speaker 1: their work and their practice, and then you talk to
Speaker 1: people about them and they're going, you know what, Chris
Speaker 1: Rashard throws his kid out there when they go when
Speaker 1: they go live work with the you know when they're
Speaker 1: doing practice team stuff, practice squad stuff, instead of they
Speaker 1: throw him into real real work, Like he gets worked
Speaker 1: with the first defense. Like they'll have eight plays and
Speaker 1: they'll throw them out there for a couple of plays.
Speaker 1: So they just kept every week they gave him a
Speaker 1: little more the game, a little more. Him and the
Speaker 1: kid Ward they got traded to Kansas City right before
Speaker 1: the Houston game. Those were two kids that they were
Speaker 1: really holding on. I mean they were really like, hey,
Speaker 1: we got two good young corners that we're going to
Speaker 1: develop here. And you know just happened. Kansas City did
Speaker 1: a great job of picking what they get. Oh, they
Speaker 1: got a guard. The guard they got hurt in the Yeah,
Speaker 1: you knee hurt his knee. So but yeah, he's gone.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cut him. I think they let him go.
Speaker 1: He's gone. He's gone. So he's still not just eating
Speaker 1: in the No, he's not. He's not eating the training
Speaker 1: table right now. But but that's why I think with
Speaker 1: the lumba, I just keep an eye on him and
Speaker 1: Kyle Quero are two guys on defense. But that goes
Speaker 1: that goes to my point, which is you gotta think
Speaker 1: they have a similar plan in mind for Jackson, yes,
Speaker 1: which that leads me to believe that they're gonna try
Speaker 1: to find a way to get him on this team,
Speaker 1: which and there are ways to do that. You know,
Speaker 1: they only carried four cornerbacks at the start of last
Speaker 1: and they've carried as many as six in the past,
Speaker 1: So I always thought it was six and four, but
Speaker 1: you said last year it was they've done They've been
Speaker 1: five four. I've done five and four. Yeah, they went
Speaker 1: light last year. They've done five and five, They've done
Speaker 1: six and four. So there's ways to manipulate it. But
Speaker 1: like his build and the uncertainty at cornerback in the future,
Speaker 1: just you know, I think they're gonna try to How
Speaker 1: about the really hard to make sure he's here. The
Speaker 1: West three kid too from Kentucky, Chris Westy. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: again a note's a free agent guy. But here's another
Speaker 1: long This guy's six to four and a half like this.
Speaker 1: This position group is about to be the dulest on
Speaker 1: the team. And I feel bad for my guy Jordan,
Speaker 1: Like it's hard. He's gonna look way out of place.
Speaker 1: It's hard to figure out a place for him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so sad, which you know, let's not bury anybody in
Speaker 1: any Yeah. Yeah, all right, Well let's move on to
Speaker 1: the safety position and position we've been talking since forever,
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys decided to address it. In the sixth
Speaker 1: round they drafted Donovan Wilson. Thoughts on this guy and
Speaker 1: what he can do or once he comes in here.
Speaker 1: Cavon Frasier, that's what he looks like to me. It
Speaker 1: looks like a Cavon Frasier's a big guy. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: broke down to play the other today again for the
Speaker 1: show that where you know, he's playing like in the
Speaker 1: middle of the field and then they run around inside
Speaker 1: where he reads the slam all the way and then
Speaker 1: he drives in really off hand play and I'm thinking, gosh,
Speaker 1: if he could just come in here and do that,
Speaker 1: that would be didn't you say, like coverage is really
Speaker 1: not his strong suit. No, and that's something new. But
Speaker 1: but when you talk about the scouts, he's used the
Speaker 1: word clicking clothes is when they backpedal and they hit
Speaker 1: and then they go. He's got that ability though, to
Speaker 1: come forward. They when you talk to the scouts here
Speaker 1: about him, they are like they just think they stole one.
Speaker 1: They I mean, they are like, you know, Chris Hall
Speaker 1: was Chris Hall said in this seat and said like
Speaker 1: that's his pet. Cat's class. Will McClay, Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: he does the one time a year he's willing to
Speaker 1: do the media rounds is right after the draft. He's
Speaker 1: coming on our show tomorrow. Yeah, he went. He did
Speaker 1: an interview with Calvin Watkins of the Athletic and was
Speaker 1: like this guy has Cam Chancellor like traits. Yeah, which
Speaker 1: like and even Chancel both of the Cowboys get ready
Speaker 1: that I taught. I saw Will in the training table. Yes.
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, do I have this right?
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to say this if that's not
Speaker 1: what you meant. And he's like, no, that's what I meant.
Speaker 1: Like He's like, I'm not saying the kid is Chancellor.
Speaker 1: I'm saying he's got those type of traits. And I
Speaker 1: was like, but you realize that you run the draft
Speaker 1: board and when you say that, it carries a lot
Speaker 1: of weight. And he's like, well, sue me basically like
Speaker 1: that's just how I feel like I don't know. I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, man, like just just telling you, like,
Speaker 1: you're comparing this kid to Cam Chancellor. Um. So no,
Speaker 1: they I heard. I have it on good authority. Christopher
Speaker 1: Shard was handing out bear hugs in the war room
Speaker 1: when this kid got picked. So again, this is the
Speaker 1: time of year for crazy optimism. I'm not telling you
Speaker 1: that you should believe the things that are coming out
Speaker 1: of these people's mouths, really, but that's how they feel. See,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a difficult year for this young man.
Speaker 1: Tell you why, because you got veteran corner. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be veteran safeties. How much love is he really gonna get?
Speaker 1: I mean people really trying to help him develop him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's gonna come from Chris Richard and those guys like that.
Speaker 1: That's where the development will come from in the teaching.
Speaker 1: But that poor kid's gonna feel alone at times. I
Speaker 1: bet probably because you got some you know, you got
Speaker 1: you know, Cabon Phrasian safeties that are on one year
Speaker 1: deal exactly, they're not interested in not trying to help.
Speaker 1: They're not trying to help this kid, Wilson get any better.
Speaker 1: I will say this though it's I know it sounds selfish,
Speaker 1: but I mean that's human nature. Yeah, it is fascinating.
Speaker 1: Though Xavier Woods is the only safety on this team
Speaker 1: with multiple years on his deal. Yeah, and all of
Speaker 1: the other you know, Cavan's on a rookie deal, Jeff
Speaker 1: Heath is his contract is you know, not a huge amount,
Speaker 1: and George Iloka is on a one year like vet minimum.
Speaker 1: So if this kid is half as good as they're
Speaker 1: talking about him, being like, you can make some decisions
Speaker 1: there without hurting him, you know, I can't. But I
Speaker 1: have a hard time believing Jeff Heath won't be on
Speaker 1: this team. But if he outplays Cavon or you know,
Speaker 1: I always think about Will Allen, you know, yeah, he
Speaker 1: was so you know, everybody thought he would be a
Speaker 1: starter when he came in, and he was gone within
Speaker 1: three weeks of the season starting. If this kid is
Speaker 1: not if he's remotely as good as like an Eyeloca
Speaker 1: or a Cavon, he goes back to your trust. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he goes back to the trust. Though how long did
Speaker 1: it take? It took an injury for late Vanderish to play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: oh no, this coaching staff is always going to go
Speaker 1: with the veteran that they signed Deante Thompson for whatever
Speaker 1: the reason. Yeah, like they signed him the first day
Speaker 1: of training a free agency and then the guy that
Speaker 1: I think keeps getting forgotten here is CJ. Goodwin. Because
Speaker 1: it's true because he is a special teams guy that
Speaker 1: they just love. Now see a corner. He's really he's
Speaker 1: more of a corner than he is a safety. He's
Speaker 1: just a special teams guy. But I mean a hard
Speaker 1: time thinking he's not going to have a spot. This
Speaker 1: is I feel like we say this every year, but
Speaker 1: this is gonna They're gonna have a hard time cutting
Speaker 1: this thing down. Yeah, well, we're running out of time.
Speaker 1: We don't have to go under the whole undrafted free
Speaker 1: agent list, but we know that on drafted. No love
Speaker 1: for Joe Jackson. We'll talk about Michael, but no Joe,
Speaker 1: we did talk about him we didn't talk about Joe.
Speaker 1: It's okay. Dad never gets talked about always. I put
Speaker 1: him when when we started talking about all the defensive
Speaker 1: and it's true, like going to death. But rod Manelli
Speaker 1: was surprised he was still there. I mean that they
Speaker 1: had a ray had a high grade on him. Rod
Speaker 1: Marinelli was very surprised he was still there on the
Speaker 1: board when they picked Jelks and correct me if I'm wrong. Jelks.
Speaker 1: I love Jels Jelks and Jackson both they're both enormous,
Speaker 1: Like they don't need to put on weight. They're like
Speaker 1: six five two forty two fifty Joe Jackson's two seventy five. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's gonna be hard to crack that
Speaker 1: depth chart just with the proven veterans that they have there.
Speaker 1: Those second half of those preseason games will be interesting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully get some quarterbacks on the ground and
Speaker 1: those things. Yeah, that I was gonna talk about the
Speaker 1: undrafted guy. Real quick had a story, but it goes
Speaker 1: about the undrafted. So what are you gonna say undrafted? Well,
Speaker 1: we don't have to go through the whole, but we
Speaker 1: know that undrafted guys turn some of them turn out
Speaker 1: to pretty good guys, the good players, and and pretty
Speaker 1: big names later down the road. So I wanted to
Speaker 1: go around the room and just give me a name
Speaker 1: of a guy that other people should be watching out
Speaker 1: for as far as the undrafted guys. You want it.
Speaker 1: Who wants to start, I'll start? This goes with the
Speaker 1: story I was saying. I'll just go with the guy
Speaker 1: that's probably the highest rated one, Hyatt Utch Mitch Hyatt
Speaker 1: from Clemson, Clemson unanimous All American. I mean, for a
Speaker 1: great scene happened. He's got Zach Martin's resume. He doesn't
Speaker 1: have Zach Martin's talent, obviously, because he's not a first
Speaker 1: round pick, didn't even get picked, but he's the same
Speaker 1: caliber resume as Zach Martin in college. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys are gonna say another tackle, but but
Speaker 1: Mark Colombo said to me yesterday that he we're probably
Speaker 1: gonna be able to block some people in the in
Speaker 1: the second half of preseason games, which has not always
Speaker 1: been the case with a guy like Night from Indiana.
Speaker 1: I believealler do they convince these guys to come here?
Speaker 1: Don't know there's no room on the depth recruit these
Speaker 1: guys do a great Lumbo, must be amazing on the phone.
Speaker 1: Don't forget Larry Allen Junior. Well, yeah, that makes a
Speaker 1: little more sense. It's like, hey, you know, come on
Speaker 1: and at the same time you get a call from
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and you're no. But that's the beauty. You know.
Speaker 1: It sucks when these guys don't get drafted, but the
Speaker 1: beauty of being an undrafted free agent is that you
Speaker 1: get to pick your force. Well, you remember a lot
Speaker 1: of agents they did that survey last year. The agents
Speaker 1: said unanimously the team they want to put their players
Speaker 1: worth as the Cowboys. Maybe that's something to do with that,
Speaker 1: just looking at the depth chart, and so I'm with,
Speaker 1: how do I make this team? No if I mean,
Speaker 1: and obviously players have more confidence in themselves than that,
Speaker 1: but all right, give me a guy they I started
Speaker 1: screaming for them to draft as soon as Tony Pollard
Speaker 1: was the pick at one twenty eight. I started saying, Okay,
Speaker 1: now they're gonna go get Daniel Wise out of Kansas
Speaker 1: because that they had him graded in the fourth round. Again,
Speaker 1: guy that can play three technique defensive tackle. He's got
Speaker 1: relation his dad. I believe his close friends with will
Speaker 1: made a lot of sense. And so this is a
Speaker 1: defensive tackle who has a fourth round grade coming into
Speaker 1: a position where there's not a lot of long term stability,
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, you know, Carrie Hiders here,
Speaker 1: Christian Covington's here, Malie Collins as a year and the
Speaker 1: old but a whole bunch of guys. Yeah, but these
Speaker 1: aren't guys that you have to keep. So if this
Speaker 1: kid's as good as they think he is, wouldn't shock
Speaker 1: me at all for him to fight his way onto
Speaker 1: the roster. The two wide receivers, these kids, the Guidon
Speaker 1: gen and Um John V. Johnson, john By Johnson. Keep
Speaker 1: an eye on both those kids, because to me, Guidon
Speaker 1: was a kid that played at Notre Dame and then
Speaker 1: had to go to North Texas for some stuff. And
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what the film on both those guys.
Speaker 1: Toledo had a great receiving corps. Believe it or not,
Speaker 1: you think of Toledo Max School, but they had receivers
Speaker 1: you legitately had to go and watch and they all
Speaker 1: were very, very talented. For them to get Johnson out
Speaker 1: of that out of you as an undrafted free agent,
Speaker 1: I think was a huge kid. So keeping on the
Speaker 1: two safety or the two wide receivers Johnson and Guyon,
Speaker 1: those guys are gonna think turn some heads and camp after.
Speaker 1: I want to see a six four corner and we
Speaker 1: just talked wester Western. I'd like to see him out
Speaker 1: there and see what his deal is. Well. Seven, from
Speaker 1: understand seven, all those signed, those newly signed guys were
Speaker 1: on their draft board with draftable grades. So if you
Speaker 1: tell me you I mean not many draft picks that
Speaker 1: they have eight. So you added fifteen players to your
Speaker 1: roster that had draftable grades. Now, either they're really right
Speaker 1: or they're gonna be really wrong, which we'll see. But
Speaker 1: if you're a personal guy and you add fifteen players
Speaker 1: off your draft board to your roster, you're doing some good.
Speaker 1: That was, yeah, pretty good. I saw a scout on
Speaker 1: Saturday night and I wanted to talk to him about
Speaker 1: the picks and he was like, listen, this undrafted free
Speaker 1: agent classes insane. I was like, okay, yeah. Now, In
Speaker 1: a final note, they did sign four four linebikers. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: it's four of them, and I know that they were
Speaker 1: going into the draft. A lot of people were questioning,
Speaker 1: you know, with Sean Lee's health and all of that.
Speaker 1: Damien Wilson going and what was going to happen at
Speaker 1: this position? Where are they going to draft or now?
Speaker 1: But they got some drafted. Mickey told us, Mickey told
Speaker 1: us yesterday he thinks Shawn Lee's playing Sam linebacker. I
Speaker 1: mean he said that he was with with that that
Speaker 1: Mickey swaggers Mickey, Yeah, Mickey, go Sam linebacker. I'm like
Speaker 1: he went, don't know about that. He went, he cornered
Speaker 1: a coach, he did, he beat somebody probably, Yeah, he
Speaker 1: beat somebody up that day. Center Nebraska linebacker. I forgot
Speaker 1: his name, maybe Gifford, yes, Gilford, yeah, Gilford. No one
Speaker 1: mentioned Larry Larry Larry Allen junior. Yeah, well I mentioned
Speaker 1: the second again. You mentioned it when he mentioned then
Speaker 1: he went to a great school. He did. That's all
Speaker 1: about it. There you go from Harvard Larry Allen, Larry
Speaker 1: Allen Junior going to Harvard, as Brian said the other day,
Speaker 1: And that's that's a bigger hey story. Larry Allen Junior
Speaker 1: his one. He has won the battle. Good for him,
Speaker 1: he has one. All right. Well, that is all the
Speaker 1: time we have for today. Thank you guys so much
Speaker 1: for tuning in Thank you Brian for joining us today.
Speaker 1: We'll be back next week on Wednesday for another show.
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