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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Are you ready for

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Speaker 1: a break? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely? Ready

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Speaker 1: for a break? Yeah, and so much for that. It's

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Speaker 1: time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com with

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Speaker 1: Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and Derek Eagleton. Hello, guys,

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Speaker 1: welcome to another episode of The Break today where there's

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Speaker 1: no more guessing. There's no more guessing about the draft.

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Speaker 1: We already know all the picks and we're gonna break

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Speaker 1: it down one by one and go over who these

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Speaker 1: guys are and how do they affect the guys are

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Speaker 1: already here, how do they play into the whole action?

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Speaker 1: But before we get into it, how are you guys doing?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well and delightful good. It sounded like you

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Speaker 1: were kind of just annoyed with the whole process of

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Speaker 1: like not not annoyed, but like, hey, well, who's it

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Speaker 1: gonna be? Who's gonna be? Now, it's like we're done,

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Speaker 1: we know, we know. I thought it was going to

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Speaker 1: be a quiet draft. But then on the third day

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Speaker 1: the cot was ka kept trading back and they ended

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Speaker 1: up with a total of eight picks. So it's funny

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Speaker 1: how you say the guessing is over. The guessing of

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Speaker 1: who is over, and now it's now there's even more

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Speaker 1: question marks about like you know, Cam, but I know

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Speaker 1: at least we know the guys names. We got a

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Speaker 1: group of guys. If you don't, like you don't deal

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Speaker 1: well with uncertainty, do you not for a long period

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Speaker 1: of time if we're doing it for like a week

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Speaker 1: two week? Nightmare? Basically it's just especially at the at

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Speaker 1: fifty eight, that was a nightmare. I love it. I

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Speaker 1: love the whole pre draft process, like you know, figuring

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Speaker 1: out who they like, figuring out who's out there guessing,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's fun to speculate. But anyway, for everyone

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Speaker 1: dot com, you know you you had, like you guys

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Speaker 1: talked about three hundred, four hundred players in this whole

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Speaker 1: process and then to come out with eight of them. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and had you heard of all eight? Um? Heard of?

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Speaker 1: Heard of? No? No? Yeah, no, not all? I mean no,

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Speaker 1: because I'm not I'm not Brian and I'm definitely not Dane.

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Speaker 1: Dane missed. Dane did not have a scouting report on

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Speaker 1: one player and he was a long snapper. Oh one

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Speaker 1: player than Cowboys one point player in the entire draft.

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Speaker 1: Was he mad? He was pissed, and he said he

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Speaker 1: was like he was like I included the six best

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Speaker 1: rated long snappers in my draft guide and this guy

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Speaker 1: a long snapper and Dane was pissed that he didn't

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Speaker 1: You got two hundred and fifty three and the two

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Speaker 1: a few guys that were kind of off my radar,

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Speaker 1: ended up going at fifty eight with defensive tackle Tristan Hill.

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Speaker 1: Surprise here, obviously we were already talking about the position.

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Speaker 1: This was a guy that was mentioned. I came in

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Speaker 1: he's got guys over his shoulder and they're just watching

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Speaker 1: the University of Central Florida called someone on our staff

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Speaker 1: and said, hey, if you draft this guy tonight, just

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Speaker 1: just know that it's UCF. We don't go by Central Florida.

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Speaker 1: We want to go by UCF or University of Central Florida.

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Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, okay, that's that's fun. But are you

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Speaker 1: they clearly they circled this dude's name with a red

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Speaker 1: sharpie months ago. Yeah. They you know that they haven't

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Speaker 1: a lot of nose tackle too. Yeah, like they you know,

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Speaker 1: but I mean pressuring the quarterbacking and getting to it

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Speaker 1: a domino effect from from what it sounds like. And

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Speaker 1: that was a great idea. Zeke and Jalen Ramsey, every

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Speaker 1: still would have taken Layton. Yeah, that's how much they

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Speaker 1: That's definitely true. And he you know, Dane Brugler, he's

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Speaker 1: this and this because of that, Well, I thought that.

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Speaker 1: dot Com which where he mentions how this team has

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Speaker 1: during the end times of Romo and then transitioning to

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Speaker 1: Dak Prescott. Now their focus seemed to be unleas in

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Speaker 1: and then you got on the fifth round defensive end

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Speaker 1: round defensive end Jalen Jump. Leave that. Leave that orphan

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Speaker 1: like that they use all these resources on this whole group? Well,

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Speaker 1: Back to the break, Welcome back now. Like I mentioned before,

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Speaker 1: we're going to discuss third round pick guard Connor McGovern

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Speaker 1: my favorite pick your favorite one wide now because kind

428
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Speaker 1: of what we just were saying about tight end, you know,

429
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 1: they didn't need one, they didn't need one, but they

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Speaker 1: would have taken one if he was just so good

431
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Speaker 1: that he was right there for him. And that's what

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Speaker 1: I loved about that pick is I think that was

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Speaker 1: the most discipline thing that they that they've done. It's

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Speaker 1: like they didn't because it sounds like they had a

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Speaker 1: higher grade than they did for Tristan Hill. So they

436
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 1: took Tristan Hill because it was a high pick and

437
00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 1: a need. They're not gonna mess with guard right here

438
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:21,760
Speaker 1: in the second round just doesn't make sense. But man,

439
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 1: if he's still here in the third round, go for it. No,

440
00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,359
Speaker 1: we can figure something out here. And maybe this is

441
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Speaker 1: one of those twenty twenty picks, but I thought it

442
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Speaker 1: was an outstanding pick to get him and then and

443
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Speaker 1: then to show best player available really does matter. Maybe

444
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Speaker 1: not in your first pick, but it matters. I think

445
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Speaker 1: it wouldn't matter with your first pick. It just depends.

446
00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 1: Like that's it was fascinating their first two picks, where

447
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 1: like this blend between the two is like, well, it's

448
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Speaker 1: really best player available with a need, but it gets

449
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 1: to a point. It always gets to a point where

450
00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,719
Speaker 1: you're like, well, I mean, what are we supposed to do?

451
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Speaker 1: This guy is graded twice as high as anybody left

452
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Speaker 1: on our board. Yeah, which so yeah, I mean they

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Speaker 1: maybe they reached a little bit in with their first

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Speaker 1: pick and then they really went true BPA right after that.

455
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Speaker 1: So so then what happens now? How does this guy

456
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Speaker 1: play into the whole old line? What happens here and

457
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 1: moving around? There's so many scenarios that you could see

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Speaker 1: play out here that we won't know until they start

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Speaker 1: playing football. I mean, the one guy in this whole

460
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Speaker 1: group that I think will definitely one hundred thousand percent

461
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Speaker 1: be on the team next year or playing in his

462
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Speaker 1: position as Zach Martin, yes, and everything else is a

463
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Speaker 1: little bit out there. Question now, I think you tried

464
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Speaker 1: to retire him last year or two years ago, but no,

465
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Speaker 1: I mean, the thing is is that we'll see what

466
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Speaker 1: he does this year. But his contract is so good

467
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 1: and so team friendly that there's there's no reason to

468
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Speaker 1: really do anything with him. He's not at that point

469
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Speaker 1: where you're like, well, maybe we should move on. I

470
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Speaker 1: don't think so. He was awesome last year for the

471
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Speaker 1: most part. I mean, you know, he battled injuries again

472
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Speaker 1: and he got called for whole yeah, a few, way

473
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Speaker 1: more often than you're used to. But you go back

474
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Speaker 1: and watch those reps and you're like, I don't really

475
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Speaker 1: see what he's doing wrong. Um No, I think I

476
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 1: think Tyrn and Zacher here, there's but there's so many

477
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: there's so many variable you know, we feel really good

478
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Speaker 1: about Travis Frederick's availability, but you'd like to see him

479
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 1: play football first, right, Well, McGovern played center at Penn State.

480
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Speaker 1: He can do that. He could be your left guard

481
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Speaker 1: based on the way people are just praising the hell

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Speaker 1: out of him, Like I'm almost tempted to think maybe

483
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Speaker 1: he could compete with Connor Williams. Right now, having said that,

484
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 1: Connor Williams looked like, I mean, he got in the

485
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Speaker 1: gym this offseason big time. So but then, well, they

486
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Speaker 1: talked about moving him to which that raises the question of,

487
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Speaker 1: you know, Lyle Collins more than likely isn't here next year.

488
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Speaker 1: It's I mean, he's just if he's remotely good this season,

489
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Speaker 1: he's going to get paid far too much to stay.

490
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Speaker 1: So you could move Connor Williams. Do you move Connor

491
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Speaker 1: We talked about this this morning in the office, kind

492
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: of shooting the breeze, like do you just move him

493
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Speaker 1: now so he gets acclimated and he could be your

494
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Speaker 1: swing tackle, or do you want you know, the proverbial

495
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,120
Speaker 1: best five that they love the spout and keep him

496
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Speaker 1: there this year and McGovern, you know, McGovern's presence could

497
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Speaker 1: be trouble for Joe Looney because they do they have

498
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: the same skill set. They play all three interior spots,

499
00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: which nothing summarizes the nature of the NFL more than

500
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Speaker 1: and you did a great job, Joe, thank you for

501
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Speaker 1: saving our season and starting sixteen games. But now we

502
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Speaker 1: just drafted this kid that might take your job. And

503
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Speaker 1: all that being said, if if, if, if it's all

504
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Speaker 1: fair and everyone's just you know, competing at the same level,

505
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,320
Speaker 1: who's to say that that with a full off season

506
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Speaker 1: and Xavier Suafilo can't go in another one be better

507
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Speaker 1: than Connor McGovern, O'Connor Williams, you know at the guard spot.

508
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Speaker 1: So if it's anything similar to last year with injuries,

509
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Speaker 1: you know, everyone had something pop up during the season,

510
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: like yes, they they beat that down during the post

511
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Speaker 1: draft press conferences, like we learned last year like as

512
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Speaker 1: good as you might think a group can be, just

513
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 1: keep adding talent to it because you never know what's

514
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 1: going to happen. And that's true, I believe that. But

515
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 1: like you just said about Connor Williams, he's you know,

516
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: obviously been in the gym this year to play guard.

517
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: He probably starting to look like a guard now that

518
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Speaker 1: he was going to be moving out to tackle. Then

519
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 1: maybe it's a different His shoulders are awfully broad, like

520
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Speaker 1: he just I don't know which I'm not an expert

521
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: on that, but he looks like a guard right now.

522
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Speaker 1: That's what I think. But you know, Jeff Kavanaugh was

523
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Speaker 1: with us on Saturday. He was like, why can't why

524
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Speaker 1: can't lie all be your left guard in twenty nineteen

525
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: and move Connor Williams to write tackle now? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't see that happen. You know,

527
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: maybe McGovern is is your center of the future. Maybe

528
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,239
Speaker 1: that's it too. Maybe maybe it's like, let's see how

529
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Speaker 1: this goes with Travis, but we just we never know,

530
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Speaker 1: and maybe he's he's gonna be what it like, We

531
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Speaker 1: never know. So what if the answer to your question

532
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: is that Travis goes back to making Pro Bowls. Okay,

533
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Speaker 1: well then, now, yeah, which position was his main position? Question?

534
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Speaker 1: I think it was guard guard, but he played center

535
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Speaker 1: pretty extensively too. I mean I know that I just

536
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: talked out of both sides of my mouth, but he

537
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:09,159
Speaker 1: did both. So I had lunched with a scalt the

538
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 1: other day, was just talking and he said, this doesn't

539
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Speaker 1: leave the table, but I'm gonna say it, don't take

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00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 1: it from the table. He just loved the pick. He

541
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Speaker 1: just said that was my favorite pick too. He was like,

542
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: he's just he's so smart. That's why that's your favor. No, no,

543
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 1: I said at that night, why, like, that's not even juicy.

544
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Speaker 1: Oh you drafted a guy at ninety that you could

545
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Speaker 1: that you graded at thirty five and you love the pick.

546
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: Oh man, Oh, don't tell anybody that that's just close

547
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,360
Speaker 1: top secret information. That being said, you know exactly who

548
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: I was talking with. I probably if somebody don't leave

549
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,400
Speaker 1: the table here, you know, Yes, UM wasn't anything crazy,

550
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: But but I know I like that pick then, because

551
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: I do like the best available. I like the saying

552
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: you know what we're gonna we're gonna do that first

553
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: second pick. I like best available. Need after that go

554
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 1: with its available player. Anytime you get an insane value,

555
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 1: it's fun. Yeah. I think McGovern's probably the favorite of

556
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:03,679
Speaker 1: a lot of people on that side of the building

557
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: because he could have been a you know, people saying

558
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: top fifty, top sixty pick, and you got him at ninety.

559
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: See what I love the most about it is not

560
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 1: taking him at ninety. It's not taking him at fifty eight.

561
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 1: So it's talk about being hypocritical here. It's like, he's

562
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 1: the highest rated player you have, because I think that

563
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: best available players sometimes can be bs. I really do.

564
00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:30,239
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, if you had a quarterback rated, how

565
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: you're not taking him? So we know it's not always

566
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: best available. You do need to go with needs. So

567
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,639
Speaker 1: they showed that in the second round, but then they

568
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: wiped it off the table in the third round. They said,

569
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Speaker 1: all right now, now that's what I liked about it

570
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,239
Speaker 1: is is that it kind of shows that it's not

571
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: always best available player, but it can be when the

572
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: time is right. It's kind of like Gregory and back

573
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Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen, I'm not taking this guy with all

574
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: the problems at twenty eight, no way. What he's there

575
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: at sixty, get him on the phone. It called Charles

576
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 1: Haley and can get him on the phone and let's

577
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: make this happens. That would have been a terrible twenty

578
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: eight right twenty seven seven, But yeah, oh yeah, yeah

579
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: for sure. But then get Byron and he's been solid

580
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: and so he's been good and he hasn't been solid.

581
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: It's very hard to predict what Connor McGovern's presence here

582
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: means right now, but I think their offensive line will

583
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: be better for it. Now, here's another pick that the

584
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: Cowboys seem very excited about, and Stephen Jones went as

585
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: far as saying he has a little bit of Alvin

586
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: Kamara in him. Running back to the expectations on the

587
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: guy running back, Tony Polart Pollard. It has an accent.

588
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: It comes out of my mouth, so it's it's fair

589
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: kind of like Scottie Pip. Yeah, fourth round. Thoughts about

590
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: this guy and what he can bring. Obviously, we talked

591
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: about the running back position and uh Zekiel Eliott needing

592
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: a backup guy that can come in and help him

593
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 1: lift up, get some weight off his shoulder. This is

594
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 1: this is the part of the year where you really

595
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:04,760
Speaker 1: have to guard against, which you know, Chris Hall came on.

596
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: He Chris Hall, assistant director of College Scouting. He was

597
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,959
Speaker 1: on hanging with the boys yesterday, and uh, you know

598
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: it's a various stew point. He's like, obviously we love

599
00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: all these guys. We just drafted him all like, so

600
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: you got to guard against that. But if Tony Pollard

601
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: could be half of what they're saying he could be,

602
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 1: then you should be excited as hell, because you know,

603
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: Stephen Jones likned him to Kamara. He's you know, he's

604
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: a he's a four three seven athlete. He can I

605
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Speaker 1: mean I saw the play you just diagrammed, Brian, thanks

606
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: for joining us. Dudes got out dressed in everybody Seriously,

607
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: I don't know about that. Dudes got burst for days. Yeah. Uh,

608
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: you know. He motions around in the Memphis offense. He

609
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: plays in the slot. They move him all around. They

610
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: all that exciting stuff that NFL offenses are doing. Now

611
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: he can do it. Now do you buy that the

612
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: Cowboys can make it work? See that's where that's where

613
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Speaker 1: And I just I kind of put it. I just

614
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: shot something for the Blitz and that I said that,

615
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: And you're absolutely right about this. Don't tell me how

616
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: great this guy is. I could see it with my

617
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: own eyes. You know, don't keep telling me when we

618
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 1: get to Oxen Hole, we're gonna do things. We're gonna

619
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 1: do things, And then all of a sudden we come

620
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: out of Oxnard and it's like, do you feel any

621
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 1: better about Tony Pollard here? And all of a sudden

622
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Speaker 1: he's a week two inactive, a week three inactive, a

623
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Speaker 1: week six inactive. Then then now it's gonna be like, Okay,

624
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: we don't need to hear it. We need to see

625
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 1: if this is on Kellen Moore. Kellen Moore needs to

626
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 1: come up with a clear plan of either hand him

627
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: to football or like the play I just broke down,

628
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: throw it to him the flat and just let him

629
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Speaker 1: explode past people. The way that I don't think he's

630
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 1: going to be inactive is because it sounds like he'll

631
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 1: do so many things on special teams to first of all,

632
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: first of all, yeah, you were there, but to the

633
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: point you guys are making, yeah you can. Jamay'z ali

634
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: wality was also there, and we don't see him on

635
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: offense either, so you can get lost on special teams.

636
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: Are you gonna be worth of forty because you don't

637
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: need a fourth round pick to do that. Stephen Jones

638
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: like it was amazing, Like I would like, you know,

639
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: you know, you have those moments where you're recording an

640
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: interview and he's like, You're like, he knows, he knows

641
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: he's on the record, right, Like which he I mean,

642
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: he's basically he's like, look, no disrespect to Mike Webber,

643
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 1: but like Mike Webber is the type of when he's

644
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: the seventh round pick, so he's like, no disrespect to him,

645
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: but he's basically Zeke a couple of clicks down, so

646
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: he's he's just you your basic running back with a

647
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 1: lesser skill set. Obviously he's a seventh round pick. And

648
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, Pollard can do this, this and this.

649
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: He can return kicks, he can return ponts, he can catch,

650
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: he can do all this. So like Zeke and Pollard

651
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 1: are your two backs. And then we think jama'ze Olawalley

652
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: can can run if we need him too, So like

653
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: those are your three, and you know, if Zeke gets hurt,

654
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: then maybe Mike Webber can come in and help carry

655
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: the load. But like until then, we'll just keep him

656
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:47,760
Speaker 1: off to the side. I was like, thanks, for thanks

657
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: for giving us the September strategy. In April, Steven just

658
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: cringes with, here's any kind of comparison. Yeah, did you

659
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 1: guys get the feeling that they really really liked Mike Webber?

660
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: Did that mean that the grade wise where he sat

661
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: on their board and all that, and maybe it was

662
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: maybe it was one of those things where it was

663
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: just too valuable there. We always talked on the Draft

664
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 1: show about traits and about how can you pass up guys.

665
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 1: It's the same way with McGovern. You know, you look

666
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 1: at McGovern and you say, oh, can I have his

667
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,479
Speaker 1: second round grade on this guy? And hell, let's make

668
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 1: it work, you know, whatever we have to do, let's

669
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: make it work here. Maybe Brian knows that answer better

670
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,760
Speaker 1: than we were talking about McGovern. Where did he play

671
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: more a guard? Center guard? Again, he's one of those

672
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: guys that the numbers of starts at each position is fine.

673
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,920
Speaker 1: I mean that that's where they got a really you know,

674
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: we talked about Connor Williams lack in power last year.

675
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,239
Speaker 1: If this guy's got power and so there's no if

676
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: he has to sit and wait, it's just gonna be

677
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: about learning and learning pro techniques. And stuff like that.

678
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: You know, Liken Connor Williams had to throw him into

679
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 1: the fire. This guy don't think they have to throw

680
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: into the fire yet. It's going to get to learn

681
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: from Zach Martin and those guys. Yeah, he'll be fine.

682
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick being back, that'll help all those guys for sure,

683
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,880
Speaker 1: these guys being Sorry, woman, go ahead, I was gonna

684
00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: say that, with these guys being drafted, are you still

685
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: expecting them to even use Jordan Lewis as part of

686
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: the offense and adding him at all? Due respect, guy,

687
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: I love Jordan. You always say at lunch about Jordan Lewis.

688
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: You have a really good line about Jordan Lewis. You

689
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: put me on the spike the year the year he is.

690
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: I think he's a damn good He's a damn good

691
00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: football player who got drafted a year before they changed

692
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: their scheme, Like he just got screwed over by the circumstances. Yeah,

693
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: they hired a coach who doesn't think his skill set

694
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: fits with what they want to do a year after

695
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 1: they drift. Even though those eight plays against New Orleans

696
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: were glorious, he was awesome. Yeah, I think he's a

697
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: hell of a player. I mean, I'm not you know,

698
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: he's not. He might not be Patrick Peterson, but he's

699
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: an eight plays. It's like eight plays and the last one,

700
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: the last one was the big the big plays. You

701
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:01,600
Speaker 1: think aout the pick. Yeah, no, but I think that

702
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: What I was gonna say is it's interesting, like we

703
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 1: get we get a little bit of the picture. You know,

704
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: it's kind of like it's like a blurry picture and

705
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 1: then it comes into focus. After the draft, we were

706
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: just hammering that they want to complete back. They want

707
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: to complete back to fill Zeke's role if he goes out, Well,

708
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: they got that guy, but they're also saying, we need

709
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: somebody who can compliment him. And I had a conversation

710
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: with somebody a week before the draft, and I felt

711
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 1: stupid for not thinking about it. He's like, well, if

712
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: a guy we draft is just Zeke Light, then what

713
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: purpose is he really serving? Unless Zeke gets hurt, like

714
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 1: you know, a Travion Williams for instance. I got you know,

715
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: I loved him. I mocked him here at ninety A

716
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 1: lot of Cowboys fans wanted him six. Yeah, he's a

717
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: he's not playing special teams for you, He's not. He's

718
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: not playing flyer on punt team, He's not returning kicks

719
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: like that's not his skill set. He's supposed to be

720
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: a starting running back. So I think they wanted to

721
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: compliment just as much as they wanted a replacement, and

722
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: they wound up getting both. Which right now, I don't

723
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: have confidence that they'll use Tony Pollard the way they

724
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: say they will because I need to see it. I

725
00:36:06,239 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: wrote ten stories about all the ways they could use

726
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin last year and it didn't materialize. But if

727
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 1: they can find a way to use him, it could

728
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: be really exciting. Amber. Can I ask a question of

729
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: the group, and you please answer this as well? Going

730
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: into the draft, which group do you feel now better

731
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: about the defensive tackle group or not me going to

732
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: the draft, but going into free agency and now the draft,

733
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,799
Speaker 1: which group do you feel better about the upgrades of

734
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: the backups? Defensive tackle or running back? Because both those

735
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:42,280
Speaker 1: were positions. Both those positions were like defensive tackle because

736
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,440
Speaker 1: I trust Rod Marinell to get ross and read and

737
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: not only I just I trust Rod Marinelli to get

738
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: the most out of those guys more than I trust

739
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: the offensive staff to use Tony Pollard like, show me,

740
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,240
Speaker 1: show me something. I think so defensive tackle, just because

741
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: if if I have to have an injury there in

742
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: the middle, I lie some of the backups that can

743
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: the options you have there, I don't like the options.

744
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: If Zeke goes down, I don't like him yet. I mean,

745
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: and I mean, hey, Mike, Mike Webber might be a

746
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: steal he I mean, he's coming from a badass program.

747
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 1: But I mean, bo Scarborough was exciting when they drafted

748
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: him in the same range last year. Last long the

749
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: biggest Darius Jackson fan in the world. He's got six,

750
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: He's got six NFL career carry box years. Kidgo, where

751
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: did holy Field go? Did he not get that? That

752
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: was my pet cat? Can I say he wound up

753
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 1: with a with Carolina? Good for him. You run a

754
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: five second forty at running back at a lot of people,

755
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna they at least have a backup. You're

756
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: going on up, Darius Jackson was drafting, I'm tired running back,

757
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 1: Mike Webber, Right, that's I just I want to keep

758
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 1: it in perspective. But easier to throw in one of

759
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: those backup running backs and have it work, right, Dave guys, right,

760
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 1: you would hope. So is that just spent another top

761
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: one hundred pick on an offensive lineman, I would hope.

762
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, when you look at DeMarco Murray set

763
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: records here and then he left, and then McFadden came

764
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: in and had one of his better years, and then

765
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: he left, and then and then Zeke's led the league

766
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 1: two out of the three years that he's been. You

767
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: think if Zeke if which knock on, all of the

768
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: would but if Zeke went down for a significant period

769
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: of time, you think they would roll with what they

770
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: have here. I think they would, you think, so, I

771
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: don't think i'd buy that. Well, I think they would

772
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 1: because they have They obviously have enough faith draft faith

773
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: in the two guys they selected. I mean, if I

774
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: explaining from what I know where those guys sat on

775
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: their board, they have faith that those guys can come

776
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: in and plug and play if they had to. I

777
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: really believe them. I don't know if I was supposed

778
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 1: to say this, must say it anyways, I'm really glad

779
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: they draft the two backs because if they didn't, I

780
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: think Alfred Morris was coming back. And I don't really

781
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: want that. I mean, Jerry said it. He was like no,

782
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: but he just said, you know, we'll get a free

783
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: agent running back and there's only so many available still. Yeah,

784
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: So the thing about it is, Dave, you guy, you

785
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: went back and said this even during the draft show,

786
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: that the prospects of the free agent running back was

787
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: not great. No, it's not, so why not go ahead

788
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: and said, you know what, I'm just saying, Darius Jackson

789
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: was drafted higher than Mike Webber was. Both Scarborough came

790
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: from Alabama. He came from a big program too, Like

791
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: he's okay, Now, hold on, you guys are just confusing me.

792
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: Why because all this talk about it's so easy to

793
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 1: find the running back and there's they're out there in

794
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: the draft and it's easy to bring them in. That's

795
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 1: an easy position to replace. So what's up now? All

796
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: I'm telling you is that the narrative changes from April

797
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,839
Speaker 1: to September. It does every single year. I don't I mean,

798
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: we got to see this. Maybe Mike Webber might blow

799
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: us all away. I don't know the argument here, Well,

800
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,839
Speaker 1: I don't really know the argument. I don't know. No, No,

801
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: we're good. I think the thing at the point is,

802
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 1: though something were to happen, to Zeke. I think they

803
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: would be okay, I think they would now we would

804
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: question every single step. You already questioned the fact that

805
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: they're not going to use uh Tony Pollard, right, I

806
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: just want to see it to believe it. I tell

807
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: because history tells you they're not. I've done the blind

808
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 1: trusting thing. I'm done with that. Like I feel like

809
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: an idiot when myself about Dan's worried this year he's

810
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: gonna fall for something, to training camp, all we all fall.

811
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: I'm tired of it. Tired training camp. Oh my god,

812
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,719
Speaker 1: I can't remember his name right now. Wide receiver Tavon Austin, Yeah,

813
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: I can't. I mean all this great time back, all

814
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 1: this talk about him and how they can use him

815
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: so many ways, and you never really know if people

816
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: take it out on us when we spend all spring

817
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: hyping guys up and it doesn't pan out. I'm done

818
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: with that. You know what's really happening is is that

819
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: nobody really thinks right now that they have a new

820
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,919
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator because they don't ye now because if you did,

821
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 1: which there's less trust and killing more than they are

822
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: on these backs. I was gonna I was gonna bring that. Well,

823
00:40:57,840 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, because there's a new coordinator, we don't

824
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: know how he's gonna do things. But it's like everyone

825
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: still feels like he's not a new coordinator. I just

826
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: this is totally unfair. I don't care. I think I trustless.

827
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: I think I trust Kellen Moore more than I trust

828
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett's willingness to let him loose, you know what

829
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: I mean? If that makes sense, like it's felt nobody

830
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 1: went with you there? Yeah, no, no, no there. I

831
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: don't care. No, I don't trust Jason Garrett to let

832
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 1: a first year offensive coordinator get crazy. Not really. I mean,

833
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: and he better be better, figure out something or he's

834
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 1: gonna be But he can't. He can't just say just

835
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: like you got it, he's gonna be like, all right,

836
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: let's see how you got it. If not all right,

837
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: let me see show up that defense. You You feel

838
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: better now about Kellen Moore or Scotland a hand last

839
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: year at this time? Uh? Probably more? Is it just

840
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: because you got so tired of Scotland just because it's new? Yeah,

841
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:57,959
Speaker 1: how about you. We gotta get we gotta get to break.

842
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 1: Let's take a break when we come back we'll go

843
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: down the rest of the draft made. What's your new

844
00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:08,240
Speaker 1: apartment's big? Such a great deal? That's okay? Just okay?

845
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:14,600
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Speaker 1: All right, we have two guys left, and hopefully we

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Speaker 1: get to the undrafted free agents and hit that a

881
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Speaker 1: little bit. So let's move on to fifth round pick,

882
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: cornerback Michael Jackson. More than two, don't we left? Well,

883
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: we covered whatever I came in late, so you guys

884
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 1: are hitting all the picks. So we have the we

885
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: have the secondary Mike Jackson calling him Mike. Okay, I'm

886
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: gonna call him Mike. I just yeah, that's if that's

887
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,759
Speaker 1: his name. That I just really was so uncomfortable when

888
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: we're like, we've got the secret audio of Michael Jackson,

889
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't like this. Yeah, like it doesn't.

890
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,760
Speaker 1: I don't like it either. He can be changing people's

891
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,880
Speaker 1: name either, I know, but I think he says he

892
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,600
Speaker 1: goes by Mike. I think he goes by Mike. All right, anyway,

893
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: you just want to be starting something right now, don't you. Sorry,

894
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 1: fair boy. I don't even know if we all got

895
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: it in the room, but that was one of the

896
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:07,760
Speaker 1: better ones. Good job, thank you. It was. This is another.

897
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: This is another, This is it's interesting and again, you know,

898
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: we talked about it on the Draft show. Like so

899
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,399
Speaker 1: many of these decisions, so many of these decisions look

900
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: like they're geared toward twenty twenty because you don't need

901
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,359
Speaker 1: this guy right now, which you might. Steven Jones kind

902
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: of slipped that in there on Saturday Night. He's like, well,

903
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: we think Byron will be ready for the season, but

904
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: if he's not, he's like whoa, hey, which was because

905
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: usually they're pretty confident or like, you know they'll be

906
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: they'll I've pretty confident I'll be ready. Byron's on crutches

907
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 1: right now, so walked by the lunch him yesterday's crutches. Yeah. Um.

908
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: But at the same time, like it's hard to imagine

909
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 1: they are gonna want to get rid of him because

910
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 1: he's this Chris He's this Chris Rashard archetype again, Like

911
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: he's everything Jordan Lewis isn't. He's like three inches taller

912
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: than Jordan Lewis. He's long and rangy and Chris Rochard.

913
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: I just have to imagine he's like, just give me

914
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: a guy that I can sort of build, you know,

915
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: build the future of this secondary around, or try to

916
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 1: be traded in that Saturday that's I don't I don't

917
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: disagree with Saturday's sixth round pick. I agree with you

918
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: and I hate it. Like he's a good player, he's

919
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: one of the best personalities on the team. Arms he

920
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 1: does have about that tentles. Yeah. If this if this

921
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,719
Speaker 1: guy is worth glad, you get that right. If this

922
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: guy can play worth a spit, then I agree with

923
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: you because he just he fits it. You know, were

924
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: you were you a Lomba? Yeah, no, no, that's my guy. Yeah.

925
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: See this is this is one of the classic Brian

926
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: your face up, Yeah, this is one of This is

927
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: the classic Brian brought us over cell about a guy

928
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 1: you're just You're just He's just here all the time.

929
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: That's nobody's in this buildings here all the time too,

930
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: and no one's but we think team spirit. He's the

931
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:59,520
Speaker 1: biggest cheerleader. Well, I hope you hope you think you

932
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: just like a lumba because the college he went to

933
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 1: was like brought us University, No, Alverson brought us. Now

934
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: that is a real place. The I think a sweatshirt.

935
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: By the way, if you're listening to Alverson broad Us,

936
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: I'd love a sweatshirt from there. Uh, the the the

937
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: the thing with a Lumbo. Differently, it's one D. It's

938
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: like Snoop Dogg's name. I am Amber takes me up.

939
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 1: Cowboys Cowboy to the Cowboys drop stay on target, hop

940
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: scotch Cowboys, thank you. Why do you like this guy?

941
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: I'll tell you why I like this guy because I

942
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 1: felt like though during when you get kids that play

943
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: in the practice squad that all year long, they're there

944
00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 1: their work and their practice, and then you talk to

945
00:47:40,520 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: people about them and they're going, you know what, Chris

946
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 1: Rashard throws his kid out there when they go when

947
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 1: they go live work with the you know when they're

948
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: doing practice team stuff, practice squad stuff, instead of they

949
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 1: throw him into real real work, Like he gets worked

950
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 1: with the first defense. Like they'll have eight plays and

951
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,840
Speaker 1: they'll throw them out there for a couple of plays.

952
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: So they just kept every week they gave him a

953
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 1: little more the game, a little more. Him and the

954
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: kid Ward they got traded to Kansas City right before

955
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: the Houston game. Those were two kids that they were

956
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 1: really holding on. I mean they were really like, hey,

957
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 1: we got two good young corners that we're going to

958
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 1: develop here. And you know just happened. Kansas City did

959
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: a great job of picking what they get. Oh, they

960
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 1: got a guard. The guard they got hurt in the Yeah,

961
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: you knee hurt his knee. So but yeah, he's gone.

962
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cut him. I think they let him go.

963
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,839
Speaker 1: He's gone. He's gone. So he's still not just eating

964
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 1: in the No, he's not. He's not eating the training

965
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: table right now. But but that's why I think with

966
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: the lumba, I just keep an eye on him and

967
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 1: Kyle Quero are two guys on defense. But that goes

968
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: that goes to my point, which is you gotta think

969
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 1: they have a similar plan in mind for Jackson, yes,

970
00:48:50,600 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: which that leads me to believe that they're gonna try

971
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 1: to find a way to get him on this team,

972
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: which and there are ways to do that. You know,

973
00:48:57,719 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: they only carried four cornerbacks at the start of last

974
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: and they've carried as many as six in the past,

975
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: So I always thought it was six and four, but

976
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: you said last year it was they've done They've been

977
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 1: five four. I've done five and four. Yeah, they went

978
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,680
Speaker 1: light last year. They've done five and five, They've done

979
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:14,520
Speaker 1: six and four. So there's ways to manipulate it. But

980
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: like his build and the uncertainty at cornerback in the future,

981
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: just you know, I think they're gonna try to How

982
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: about the really hard to make sure he's here. The

983
00:49:23,960 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: West three kid too from Kentucky, Chris Westy. Yeah, they

984
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: again a note's a free agent guy. But here's another

985
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: long This guy's six to four and a half like this.

986
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 1: This position group is about to be the dulest on

987
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 1: the team. And I feel bad for my guy Jordan,

988
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 1: Like it's hard. He's gonna look way out of place.

989
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: It's hard to figure out a place for him. Yeah,

990
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,759
Speaker 1: so sad, which you know, let's not bury anybody in

991
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 1: any Yeah. Yeah, all right, Well let's move on to

992
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: the safety position and position we've been talking since forever,

993
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,479
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys decided to address it. In the sixth

994
00:49:55,600 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: round they drafted Donovan Wilson. Thoughts on this guy and

995
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,879
Speaker 1: what he can do or once he comes in here.

996
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 1: Cavon Frasier, that's what he looks like to me. It

997
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: looks like a Cavon Frasier's a big guy. Yeah. I

998
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 1: broke down to play the other today again for the

999
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: show that where you know, he's playing like in the

1000
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,240
Speaker 1: middle of the field and then they run around inside

1001
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 1: where he reads the slam all the way and then

1002
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 1: he drives in really off hand play and I'm thinking, gosh,

1003
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: if he could just come in here and do that,

1004
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:26,359
Speaker 1: that would be didn't you say, like coverage is really

1005
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: not his strong suit. No, and that's something new. But

1006
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: but when you talk about the scouts, he's used the

1007
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 1: word clicking clothes is when they backpedal and they hit

1008
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 1: and then they go. He's got that ability though, to

1009
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: come forward. They when you talk to the scouts here

1010
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 1: about him, they are like they just think they stole one.

1011
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: They I mean, they are like, you know, Chris Hall

1012
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: was Chris Hall said in this seat and said like

1013
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: that's his pet. Cat's class. Will McClay, Yeah, you know

1014
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: he does the one time a year he's willing to

1015
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 1: do the media rounds is right after the draft. He's

1016
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: coming on our show tomorrow. Yeah, he went. He did

1017
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: an interview with Calvin Watkins of the Athletic and was

1018
00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 1: like this guy has Cam Chancellor like traits. Yeah, which

1019
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:08,399
Speaker 1: like and even Chancel both of the Cowboys get ready

1020
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: that I taught. I saw Will in the training table. Yes.

1021
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, do I have this right?

1022
00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:18,520
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to say this if that's not

1023
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:20,160
Speaker 1: what you meant. And he's like, no, that's what I meant.

1024
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 1: Like He's like, I'm not saying the kid is Chancellor.

1025
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying he's got those type of traits. And I

1026
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: was like, but you realize that you run the draft

1027
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: board and when you say that, it carries a lot

1028
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: of weight. And he's like, well, sue me basically like

1029
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: that's just how I feel like I don't know. I

1030
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: was like, okay, man, like just just telling you, like,

1031
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: you're comparing this kid to Cam Chancellor. Um. So no,

1032
00:51:40,280 --> 00:51:42,800
Speaker 1: they I heard. I have it on good authority. Christopher

1033
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: Shard was handing out bear hugs in the war room

1034
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: when this kid got picked. So again, this is the

1035
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: time of year for crazy optimism. I'm not telling you

1036
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: that you should believe the things that are coming out

1037
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,080
Speaker 1: of these people's mouths, really, but that's how they feel. See,

1038
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,520
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a difficult year for this young man.

1039
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:02,520
Speaker 1: Tell you why, because you got veteran corner. It's gonna

1040
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 1: be veteran safeties. How much love is he really gonna get?

1041
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: I mean people really trying to help him develop him. Yeah,

1042
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna come from Chris Richard and those guys like that.

1043
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,520
Speaker 1: That's where the development will come from in the teaching.

1044
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: But that poor kid's gonna feel alone at times. I

1045
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 1: bet probably because you got some you know, you got

1046
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: you know, Cabon Phrasian safeties that are on one year

1047
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: deal exactly, they're not interested in not trying to help.

1048
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,120
Speaker 1: They're not trying to help this kid, Wilson get any better.

1049
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: I will say this though it's I know it sounds selfish,

1050
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: but I mean that's human nature. Yeah, it is fascinating.

1051
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: Though Xavier Woods is the only safety on this team

1052
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: with multiple years on his deal. Yeah, and all of

1053
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: the other you know, Cavan's on a rookie deal, Jeff

1054
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: Heath is his contract is you know, not a huge amount,

1055
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 1: and George Iloka is on a one year like vet minimum.

1056
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: So if this kid is half as good as they're

1057
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,240
Speaker 1: talking about him, being like, you can make some decisions

1058
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: there without hurting him, you know, I can't. But I

1059
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,320
Speaker 1: have a hard time believing Jeff Heath won't be on

1060
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: this team. But if he outplays Cavon or you know,

1061
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: I always think about Will Allen, you know, yeah, he

1062
00:53:05,239 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: was so you know, everybody thought he would be a

1063
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 1: starter when he came in, and he was gone within

1064
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: three weeks of the season starting. If this kid is

1065
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: not if he's remotely as good as like an Eyeloca

1066
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: or a Cavon, he goes back to your trust. Yeah,

1067
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: he goes back to the trust. Though how long did

1068
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 1: it take? It took an injury for late Vanderish to play. Yeah,

1069
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: oh no, this coaching staff is always going to go

1070
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 1: with the veteran that they signed Deante Thompson for whatever

1071
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: the reason. Yeah, like they signed him the first day

1072
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: of training a free agency and then the guy that

1073
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 1: I think keeps getting forgotten here is CJ. Goodwin. Because

1074
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: it's true because he is a special teams guy that

1075
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,399
Speaker 1: they just love. Now see a corner. He's really he's

1076
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 1: more of a corner than he is a safety. He's

1077
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: just a special teams guy. But I mean a hard

1078
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: time thinking he's not going to have a spot. This

1079
00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: is I feel like we say this every year, but

1080
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: this is gonna They're gonna have a hard time cutting

1081
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: this thing down. Yeah, well, we're running out of time.

1082
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 1: We don't have to go under the whole undrafted free

1083
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 1: agent list, but we know that on drafted. No love

1084
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,279
Speaker 1: for Joe Jackson. We'll talk about Michael, but no Joe,

1085
00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: we did talk about him we didn't talk about Joe.

1086
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: It's okay. Dad never gets talked about always. I put

1087
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: him when when we started talking about all the defensive

1088
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: and it's true, like going to death. But rod Manelli

1089
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: was surprised he was still there. I mean that they

1090
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:23,680
Speaker 1: had a ray had a high grade on him. Rod

1091
00:54:23,760 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: Marinelli was very surprised he was still there on the

1092
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: board when they picked Jelks and correct me if I'm wrong. Jelks.

1093
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: I love Jels Jelks and Jackson both they're both enormous,

1094
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: Like they don't need to put on weight. They're like

1095
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:40,479
Speaker 1: six five two forty two fifty Joe Jackson's two seventy five. Yeah. Yeah,

1096
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: I feel like it's gonna be hard to crack that

1097
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 1: depth chart just with the proven veterans that they have there.

1098
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 1: Those second half of those preseason games will be interesting. Yeah,

1099
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully get some quarterbacks on the ground and

1100
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: those things. Yeah, that I was gonna talk about the

1101
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: undrafted guy. Real quick had a story, but it goes

1102
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,279
Speaker 1: about the undrafted. So what are you gonna say undrafted? Well,

1103
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,360
Speaker 1: we don't have to go through the whole, but we

1104
00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: know that undrafted guys turn some of them turn out

1105
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:07,480
Speaker 1: to pretty good guys, the good players, and and pretty

1106
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: big names later down the road. So I wanted to

1107
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 1: go around the room and just give me a name

1108
00:55:13,680 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: of a guy that other people should be watching out

1109
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: for as far as the undrafted guys. You want it.

1110
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: Who wants to start, I'll start? This goes with the

1111
00:55:21,480 --> 00:55:23,399
Speaker 1: story I was saying. I'll just go with the guy

1112
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 1: that's probably the highest rated one, Hyatt Utch Mitch Hyatt

1113
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: from Clemson, Clemson unanimous All American. I mean, for a

1114
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: great scene happened. He's got Zach Martin's resume. He doesn't

1115
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: have Zach Martin's talent, obviously, because he's not a first

1116
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 1: round pick, didn't even get picked, but he's the same

1117
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: caliber resume as Zach Martin in college. I don't know

1118
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: if you guys are gonna say another tackle, but but

1119
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: Mark Colombo said to me yesterday that he we're probably

1120
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,080
Speaker 1: gonna be able to block some people in the in

1121
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:53,760
Speaker 1: the second half of preseason games, which has not always

1122
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 1: been the case with a guy like Night from Indiana.

1123
00:55:56,640 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 1: I believealler do they convince these guys to come here?

1124
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: Don't know there's no room on the depth recruit these

1125
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:06,919
Speaker 1: guys do a great Lumbo, must be amazing on the phone.

1126
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: Don't forget Larry Allen Junior. Well, yeah, that makes a

1127
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: little more sense. It's like, hey, you know, come on

1128
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 1: and at the same time you get a call from

1129
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: the Cowboys and you're no. But that's the beauty. You know.

1130
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 1: It sucks when these guys don't get drafted, but the

1131
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 1: beauty of being an undrafted free agent is that you

1132
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 1: get to pick your force. Well, you remember a lot

1133
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:25,920
Speaker 1: of agents they did that survey last year. The agents

1134
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 1: said unanimously the team they want to put their players

1135
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,360
Speaker 1: worth as the Cowboys. Maybe that's something to do with that,

1136
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:33,600
Speaker 1: just looking at the depth chart, and so I'm with,

1137
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: how do I make this team? No if I mean,

1138
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,279
Speaker 1: and obviously players have more confidence in themselves than that,

1139
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: but all right, give me a guy they I started

1140
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,360
Speaker 1: screaming for them to draft as soon as Tony Pollard

1141
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:45,959
Speaker 1: was the pick at one twenty eight. I started saying, Okay,

1142
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: now they're gonna go get Daniel Wise out of Kansas

1143
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:51,280
Speaker 1: because that they had him graded in the fourth round. Again,

1144
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 1: guy that can play three technique defensive tackle. He's got

1145
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 1: relation his dad. I believe his close friends with will

1146
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:03,320
Speaker 1: made a lot of sense. And so this is a

1147
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,839
Speaker 1: defensive tackle who has a fourth round grade coming into

1148
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 1: a position where there's not a lot of long term stability,

1149
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, you know, Carrie Hiders here,

1150
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: Christian Covington's here, Malie Collins as a year and the

1151
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: old but a whole bunch of guys. Yeah, but these

1152
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: aren't guys that you have to keep. So if this

1153
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: kid's as good as they think he is, wouldn't shock

1154
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 1: me at all for him to fight his way onto

1155
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:29,520
Speaker 1: the roster. The two wide receivers, these kids, the Guidon

1156
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: gen and Um John V. Johnson, john By Johnson. Keep

1157
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: an eye on both those kids, because to me, Guidon

1158
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: was a kid that played at Notre Dame and then

1159
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: had to go to North Texas for some stuff. And

1160
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,120
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what the film on both those guys.

1161
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: Toledo had a great receiving corps. Believe it or not,

1162
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: you think of Toledo Max School, but they had receivers

1163
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 1: you legitately had to go and watch and they all

1164
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 1: were very, very talented. For them to get Johnson out

1165
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: of that out of you as an undrafted free agent,

1166
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 1: I think was a huge kid. So keeping on the

1167
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,480
Speaker 1: two safety or the two wide receivers Johnson and Guyon,

1168
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 1: those guys are gonna think turn some heads and camp after.

1169
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:09,000
Speaker 1: I want to see a six four corner and we

1170
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,600
Speaker 1: just talked wester Western. I'd like to see him out

1171
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: there and see what his deal is. Well. Seven, from

1172
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:18,360
Speaker 1: understand seven, all those signed, those newly signed guys were

1173
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: on their draft board with draftable grades. So if you

1174
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: tell me you I mean not many draft picks that

1175
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 1: they have eight. So you added fifteen players to your

1176
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: roster that had draftable grades. Now, either they're really right

1177
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: or they're gonna be really wrong, which we'll see. But

1178
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: if you're a personal guy and you add fifteen players

1179
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: off your draft board to your roster, you're doing some good.

1180
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 1: That was, yeah, pretty good. I saw a scout on

1181
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,560
Speaker 1: Saturday night and I wanted to talk to him about

1182
00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 1: the picks and he was like, listen, this undrafted free

1183
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 1: agent classes insane. I was like, okay, yeah. Now, In

1184
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: a final note, they did sign four four linebikers. Yeah yeah,

1185
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 1: it's four of them, and I know that they were

1186
00:59:01,280 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: going into the draft. A lot of people were questioning,

1187
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 1: you know, with Sean Lee's health and all of that.

1188
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 1: Damien Wilson going and what was going to happen at

1189
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: this position? Where are they going to draft or now?

1190
00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: But they got some drafted. Mickey told us, Mickey told

1191
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 1: us yesterday he thinks Shawn Lee's playing Sam linebacker. I

1192
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 1: mean he said that he was with with that that

1193
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: Mickey swaggers Mickey, Yeah, Mickey, go Sam linebacker. I'm like

1194
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: he went, don't know about that. He went, he cornered

1195
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 1: a coach, he did, he beat somebody probably, Yeah, he

1196
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 1: beat somebody up that day. Center Nebraska linebacker. I forgot

1197
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: his name, maybe Gifford, yes, Gilford, yeah, Gilford. No one

1198
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 1: mentioned Larry Larry Larry Allen junior. Yeah, well I mentioned

1199
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,080
Speaker 1: the second again. You mentioned it when he mentioned then

1200
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: he went to a great school. He did. That's all

1201
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:55,919
Speaker 1: about it. There you go from Harvard Larry Allen, Larry

1202
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: Allen Junior going to Harvard, as Brian said the other day,

1203
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 1: And that's that's a bigger hey story. Larry Allen Junior

1204
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: his one. He has won the battle. Good for him,

1205
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:06,440
Speaker 1: he has one. All right. Well, that is all the

1206
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: time we have for today. Thank you guys so much

1207
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: for tuning in Thank you Brian for joining us today.

1208
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 1: We'll be back next week on Wednesday for another show.

1209
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: Oh remember the draft show they're having. Will McClay in there,

1210
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: him some tough and good questions. Okay, put him on

1211
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: the spot, make him nervous, all right? For Nikki, Brian Roddis,

1212
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 1: David Hillman, and Burgercia. This has been the Break on

1213
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