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Speaker 1: It's Thursday, April. This is Jaguars Happy Hour, and now

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Speaker 1: a guy who believes the best way to navigate a

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Speaker 1: draft is to wear a lovely cozy blue sweater, J P.

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Speaker 1: Shack looking at Jaguars Happy Hour on this Thursday. It

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Speaker 1: is Draft Nights in Duval. My name's J. P. Shadrick.

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Speaker 1: Glad you're along with us. We're live at Daily's Place,

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Speaker 1: getting ready for the first round of the NFL Draft,

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Speaker 1: and we have a busy program to night here on

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Speaker 1: Tintin x l a M, Jaguars dot com, and the

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Speaker 1: Jack's social channels Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube. Jaguars analyst Jeff

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Speaker 1: Blagman is always with us. NFL Network analyst Bucky Brooks

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Speaker 1: is on site with us throughout the draft. We stole

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Speaker 1: him away. He's here. We're gonna pick his brain all

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Speaker 1: weekend long with this draft preview and we will hear

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Speaker 1: from general manager Trent and Bulky. We had a Draft

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Speaker 1: day conversation in the Jaguars Draft room at the Bank

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Speaker 1: a little bit earlier. Gentlemen, welcome in and happy Draft

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Speaker 1: Day Live. Yeah, thank you, and it's great to have

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Speaker 1: Bucky alongside. We're gonna have a little bit of conversation

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Speaker 1: there about some draft picks. We're gonna get some answers

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Speaker 1: out of you guys about answers. We're picking Buckey Sprain

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Speaker 1: for weeks on the Huddle Up podcast, and now it

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Speaker 1: comes down to the night. Now I'm really exciting, man,

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Speaker 1: It's really exciting. Time you have the number one overall pick.

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Speaker 1: You have a chance to kind of change the fortunes

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Speaker 1: a lot of pressure if did you You guys remember

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Speaker 1: a draft like this where you're just you're going in

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Speaker 1: and there's really not really a known entity that's gonna

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Speaker 1: going back to what the Baker Mayfield draft, that just

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Speaker 1: the last time you can think about that where everyone

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Speaker 1: was guessing on who was going to be the number one,

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Speaker 1: but no one real, no one really knows. Only by

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Speaker 1: this time of the day you gotta have a sense

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Speaker 1: it's kind of leaked out on Twitter who's gonna be

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Speaker 1: the guy And we haven't heard that yet. No leaking. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean we're we'll hear from Balky coming up. I

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Speaker 1: think linked with you a little bit. No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: he said, they were down to one, so they've got that.

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Speaker 1: That's good. You didn't say which one. He wrote it

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Speaker 1: JP later. I don't even want to know. I'll be

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Speaker 1: quite honest with you. But let's hear from General manager

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Speaker 1: Trent Balky. We caught up a little earlier today in

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars draft room here at t I A. Bank Field,

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Speaker 1: his second draft with the Jacksonville Jaguars. They're ready to

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Speaker 1: make a picko. NFL Draft is here. J P. Shadrick

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Speaker 1: with General Manager Trent Balky in the draft room at

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Speaker 1: t I A A. Bank Field. Are you excited? What's

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Speaker 1: We're excited. Obviously a lot of works gone into this.

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Speaker 1: prepared for it. Take us through your checklist on draft day?

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Speaker 1: What all do you do? What's your routine? You've done

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Speaker 1: had our final meeting yesterday, you know, with ownership, and

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Speaker 1: And you know, when Shod got this all together, you

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Speaker 1: do anything like that on draft Day? Is that all done?

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Speaker 1: Have you put a bow in this thing? Yeah? The

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Speaker 1: About the thought of the meeting last night, Jaguar's owner

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Speaker 1: So that bowls well for Josh Allen getting a large

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Speaker 1: super explosive. You see the movie skills, the change of direction,

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Speaker 1: all of those things. And then when you think about

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Speaker 1: this defensive line, he played the most steps. He was

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Speaker 1: all over the place. The only thing that bothers me

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Speaker 1: about Walker is is a projection over there production the

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Speaker 1: other pass rushers that we're talking about, we see guys

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Speaker 1: get the quarterback down. And then one thing that translates

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Speaker 1: sack production. If you sack him in high school, and

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Speaker 1: you sack him in college, you go sack him in

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Speaker 1: the pros. And I just don't know if you can

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Speaker 1: say someone who got six sacks his final season is

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Speaker 1: going to be a double digit sacking artist and the pros,

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Speaker 1: it's uncommon to see that kind of jumping because you're

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Speaker 1: you're not only facing a higher level of an athlete,

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Speaker 1: but a more complex scheme. I mean, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of reasons why the adjustment is is big. And when

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Speaker 1: you watch him, he's got some great tracks. Now he's big, strong, physical,

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Speaker 1: he's got heavy hands. He does a great job of

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Speaker 1: separating in the run game. Is a pass rusher, though

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Speaker 1: what Bucky's referring to with the six and a half shacks,

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Speaker 1: his moves are very limited. He's still loved, I don't

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Speaker 1: want to say an amateur, but you can still tell

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Speaker 1: that he's a developing pass rusher. Where you're watching Aden Hutchinson,

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Speaker 1: you can see kind of moves that are in play

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Speaker 1: and get put to kind of execution wise, and that's

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Speaker 1: I think there's a big difference there as far as

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Speaker 1: the p word. And I'm not talking about the potential

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Speaker 1: worst the production. I mean sometimes there was a guy

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Speaker 1: who was a a scout that I used to know

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Speaker 1: for a long period of time, and he said, the

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Speaker 1: one thing you gotta be careful of is giving yourself

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Speaker 1: a speeding ticket on a guy and getting excited about

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Speaker 1: what you see when they're wearing shorts. And uh. And

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Speaker 1: I think that that look. Javon Walker, I think is

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Speaker 1: a good football player. But what Bucky's talking about projecting

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Speaker 1: a guy that sometimes can be interesting and and come

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Speaker 1: sometimes flaw, you know. And we had this conversation a

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Speaker 1: little bit earlier, and what's the perfect role for a Walker?

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Speaker 1: I think a four or three left defense eve end

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Speaker 1: would be a perfect fit for him and this defense here.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if he's athletic enough to be a

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Speaker 1: stand up outside linebacker guy, but he would be more

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Speaker 1: of a defensive end guy, and then he could kick

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Speaker 1: down to a free technique as a pass rusher. Somebody's

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Speaker 1: got some flexibility. But is he gonna be that guy

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Speaker 1: that's just gonna be lighting up defenses and scaring quarterbacks? Maybe,

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Speaker 1: but I don't think right out of the game, Dan.

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Speaker 1: It may take a while and the one reason products

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Speaker 1: him matters in terms of stack production. There's an art

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Speaker 1: to knocking the quarterback down. It's one thing to get

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Speaker 1: close to it and to touch him and didn't, but

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Speaker 1: to get him to the ground. There's a talent to that.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think you can under sail when a

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Speaker 1: guy is unable to do it, because those who do

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Speaker 1: they do it, and they do it year after year

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Speaker 1: after year after year. And the one thing when you

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Speaker 1: watch Walker on film, and Bucky will probably corroborate this

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Speaker 1: is that when he closes, that acceleration is instant. I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's sure, you know. And in the difference I think

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Speaker 1: when you look at Hutchinson and Walker, is is that

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Speaker 1: Hutchinson I think plays with a little better instinct, a

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Speaker 1: little better anticipation, whereas Walker is still this dominant, physical,

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Speaker 1: strong guy, but not quite anticipating yet. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's probably a factor in the production. But could he

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Speaker 1: be that guy? Could be? I think at his high end,

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Speaker 1: he plays like a disruptive run defender like Jadevion clown

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Speaker 1: Jadevion Clowney has never been able to give you double

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Speaker 1: digit sacks. I think maybe until this year, but he

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Speaker 1: was very disruptive against the run, and so he would

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Speaker 1: create a lot of negative plays. TfL's force phone was

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Speaker 1: in those things because the athleticism and the explosiveness. But

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Speaker 1: it's different. It's not what you typically would associate with

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Speaker 1: a number one overall pick. But he's not as athletic

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Speaker 1: as he end That is what you hope for. One

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Speaker 1: more name. You know, they said they were down to

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Speaker 1: four this past Friday. But one name that was mocked

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars a lot going into the off season, early

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Speaker 1: in the off season was Cabon Tibodeau. We haven't heard

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Speaker 1: that name pop up. Why do you think that name

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Speaker 1: slipped out of a lot of these maks. So I

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Speaker 1: think there a couple of things with Cavon Tipodeaux that

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Speaker 1: rubs people the wrong way. When you turn him to

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Speaker 1: tape here is what we call a flash it. When

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Speaker 1: he goes, it's impressive, but there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: laws where he doesn't go. And so you're wondering is

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Speaker 1: he gonna play hard all the time and a lot

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Speaker 1: of times what you don't know is how is he

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Speaker 1: going to change when the fame that a claim and

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Speaker 1: the money and all that other stuff comes are you

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Speaker 1: gonna be able to get him to turn it up? Now?

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Speaker 1: To his credit, I don't know if he was coached

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Speaker 1: hard at Oregon to learn how to run and play

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Speaker 1: and go to the ball in those things. But what

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Speaker 1: I will say his first step quickness is outstanding. Snap

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Speaker 1: count anticipation. He has it. He has a natural bend

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Speaker 1: to him that's going to allow him to get sacks

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Speaker 1: to the quarterback. He also does a good job of

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Speaker 1: taking guys right down the middle with a long arm.

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Speaker 1: But the one thing that you worry about is does

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Speaker 1: he love it enough to go from good to great

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Speaker 1: as a pro? That is the question and concern that

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Speaker 1: you had that that long arm kind of like a

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Speaker 1: Rickey Jackson back in the day of the Saints. But

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Speaker 1: when you talk about Ben, this guy's got Ben. Now

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Speaker 1: I'm talking if you compared his athleticism to a Walker

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Speaker 1: or Hutchinson, I think Thibodeau is a better athlete than

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Speaker 1: all of them. It's it's different because it's funny because

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Speaker 1: the numbers the other guy's test better. But on the field,

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Speaker 1: they're only handful of guys that can turn the corner

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Speaker 1: and those three steps like he. He has it, and

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Speaker 1: so if he decides that he wants to be great,

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Speaker 1: he'll be a great player off the ends. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of things that guys are doing

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Speaker 1: what they do on a football field that shows athleticism.

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Speaker 1: It's how low that they can be to the ground

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Speaker 1: and still be in control. And this is a guy

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Speaker 1: that has that athletic ability. He can turn his foot

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Speaker 1: it was like one foot towards the quarterback and when

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Speaker 1: he plants that, he's turning and going that direction like

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Speaker 1: a running back. Has the great ability to plan a

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Speaker 1: foot and then and make that cut downhill. It's kind

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Speaker 1: of the same thing, but a little different with a

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Speaker 1: pass rush. Who's the best in the game right now?

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Speaker 1: With Ben been doing that? Von or back back when

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Speaker 1: Von was in his prime, Von Von is not. His

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Speaker 1: legs are getting a little bit old. Uh Um. I

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Speaker 1: think it's Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett has freaky athleticism anything, anything,

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Speaker 1: and you can't come you can. He is like he's

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Speaker 1: the athlete up here. Okay, everybody else lives down here

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Speaker 1: in this neighborhood, but he's up here. And I think

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Take when he came out, he wasn't a refined technically,

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Speaker 1: he's getting ten sexs just off, I'm a better athlete

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Speaker 1: than you olvera turn the corner and go hit the court.

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Speaker 1: Now he's learning both. No, that's scary now for sure.

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Speaker 1: The Jaguars are future focused and ready for a new

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Speaker 1: look in to join us of the bank this season

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Speaker 1: was Doug Peterson and quarterback Trevor Lawrence lead the charge.

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Speaker 1: Walk in your seats at Jaguars dot Com, slash tickets

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Speaker 1: or called nine oh four six three three two thousand.

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Speaker 1: What do expect the rest of tonight's after number one?

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Speaker 1: Maybe the unexpectedness. We'll discuss it when we come back.

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Speaker 1: It's Jaguars Happy Hour on the Jaguars Digital Network. You know,

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Speaker 1: you can make the case for Walker on fit as well,

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Speaker 1: you know, And I look at Caldwell scheme and being

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Speaker 1: there Todd Bowles and think about JPP and the success

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Speaker 1: he had. You know, you could you could make that

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Speaker 1: match there with Walker. I think, you know, Hutchinson getting

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Speaker 1: a chance to rush from a two point stance there

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Speaker 1: would would be pretty dynamic as well. Um So, I

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Speaker 1: mean it's it's what you know right now with Hutchinson,

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Speaker 1: I think he comes in clear packaging. I think there's

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Speaker 1: some unknown uh there with Walker, but I I think

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Speaker 1: that we sell Hutchinson's short on the ceiling, and I

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Speaker 1: feel like we sell Walker a little short on the floor.

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Speaker 1: I think they're they're they're both gonna be really good

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Speaker 1: football players. Let's lead draft analysts for NFL Network, Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jeremiah in Las Vegas with Brian Sexton, and we are

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Speaker 1: at Daily's place for the two douval draft party. Gates

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Speaker 1: open at five o'clock, the festivities underway at six o'clock,

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Speaker 1: so you draft underway at eight o'clock. JP Shadrick, Jeff Laga,

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Speaker 1: and Bucky Brooks with us from there. Yeah, who's that

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Speaker 1: Jeremiah guy? We got? We got Bucky? Is that he's

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Speaker 1: the lead, he's the leaders at the network. Well, we're

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Speaker 1: glad to have you here with us. I know that

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Speaker 1: that's for sure. No matter what he's doing, it's awesome. No,

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Speaker 1: that's great. This is great. This is great. First time

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Speaker 1: I've been in a long time with the team on

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Speaker 1: draft night and drafted. The energy should be fun to

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Speaker 1: be around it all over a day. Is there anything

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Speaker 1: better than talking ball and talking home? I mean, unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: that's really where this team has been after the last

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Speaker 1: couple of years, and that that's the only thing they've

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Speaker 1: had to hold on to His home and that's the

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Speaker 1: draft has always represented home, and this is a franchise

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Speaker 1: that helps it. Some of the picks that they make

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Speaker 1: today can change the fortunes. And that's why the fans

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Speaker 1: I think are extremely excited about him should be excited.

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Speaker 1: I'm more excited about Dell Peterson coming over, like having

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Speaker 1: played with him, having played with some of the guys

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Speaker 1: that are on the coaching staff, just really excited about

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Speaker 1: the professionalism like those guys having played those guys haven't

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Speaker 1: been on the field. I just think it'd be a

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Speaker 1: for dynamic different seen in the path you think. I

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Speaker 1: just say it. The last year it was kind of

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Speaker 1: a train wreck. Maybe so Jaguars inner today and there's

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Speaker 1: NFL Draft with twelve picks on the docket, tied for

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Speaker 1: the most in the National Football League. One today, three

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Speaker 1: on the docket tomorrow, one of the second round, two

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Speaker 1: in the third round, and then eight more on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: How many of those do they actually pick? Do they

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Speaker 1: make moves, trade or Trent does he show up like

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Speaker 1: he did in San Francisco. What happens here. Guys, what

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Speaker 1: do you think I mean? For me, I think this

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Speaker 1: team moves up and I think it would be wise too.

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Speaker 1: And when I say move up from the first pick

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Speaker 1: of the second round, which is the first pick of

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Speaker 1: Day two, you've got four or six round picks, two

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Speaker 1: seventh or two sevenths and then you'll also have a

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Speaker 1: fifth round pick. For me, those picks, use them as

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Speaker 1: much as you can to get find a way to

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Speaker 1: get back into the first round. And there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys to pick from, I think, and and Bucky

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Speaker 1: has a little bit better handle on the overall talent

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Speaker 1: of the draft. But Blucky, there's two guys that I

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Speaker 1: really like, one of them the center in Iowa. The

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Speaker 1: other ones of pass rusher, Perdue, Okay linder Bomb and

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Speaker 1: then George Carloftis. I think those are very interesting pick

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Speaker 1: because ultimately you talk about Trader Trent, what you should do,

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Speaker 1: and what you are doing is you have a wish

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Speaker 1: list that you want to come out of draft weekend

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Speaker 1: with these kinds of players. And so if you think

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Speaker 1: about packaging, so let's just say we go with a

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Speaker 1: pass rusher at one, then you want to come back

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Speaker 1: in the second round and maybe you get an offensive linement,

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Speaker 1: so then Linderbaum would be in that conversation at thirty three.

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Speaker 1: It makes at the end of the day, you're like, Okay,

642
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,840
Speaker 1: we feel good about where we are. And then I

643
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 1: still believe they need a speed receiver somewhere in this draft,

644
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Speaker 1: someone that can take the top off the defense to

645
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: kind of spread it out from Marvin Jones and Christie

646
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: Kirk and z Jones and those guys to do work.

647
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Speaker 1: And so it's where do I need to get to

648
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: to get one of the best in those positions, and

649
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: so trading up getting rid of those six and sevens

650
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Speaker 1: to move into range to get players that can come

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Speaker 1: in and be immediate contributors. That has to be the

652
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: folks in emphasis. I just don't think you have enough

653
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: roster spots for all of these picks that we're talking

654
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Speaker 1: about if they stay put, to be able to make

655
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Speaker 1: this roster, whether it be on practice squad or the

656
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: active roster. I mean, it's a tremendous amount of of players.

657
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 1: And then you look at the large free agency class

658
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Speaker 1: that they brought in with some of the existing recent

659
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Speaker 1: draft picks that you're hoping to develop. I mean, I

660
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Speaker 1: think you've got to end up turning some of those

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Speaker 1: picks into fewer picks, but higher ones. Yeah, players over picks,

662
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Speaker 1: meaning blue chip players, players that can come in and contribute.

663
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Speaker 1: And to your point, George got loftis underrated throughout the process.

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Speaker 1: He's a power rusher, and I think when we talk

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Speaker 1: about athleticism, the fact that he was on the Greek

666
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 1: national team as a water polo player, to me, speaks

667
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Speaker 1: volumes about who he is. New to the game, still

668
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: learning the game. But man, he's a powerful players. The

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Speaker 1: little attitude, he has some stuff to him. He's got

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to him. He's really young. But

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Speaker 1: but athletically, you know, we're talking earlier about the bend

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Speaker 1: uh and and to get off and all the things

673
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Speaker 1: that are key to a pass rush. The they call

674
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Speaker 1: him the Greek freak. How to perdue this guy? He has,

675
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Speaker 1: He's got some tools. How different is it? Then let's

676
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Speaker 1: say Hutchinson and I don't know, I don't I don't

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Speaker 1: you know here, I think this is an interesting in bait,

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Speaker 1: and I said this to somebody, I would not be

679
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Speaker 1: surprised if Carl Laptus is a guy that could end

680
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Speaker 1: up having as many sacks as a Hutchinson could. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, but he understands the artistry he played. Sorry,

682
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 1: you gotta understand where he played at Perdue. There's been

683
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Speaker 1: a number of pass russince that's come out of that.

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Speaker 1: He is up there at the top of the list

685
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: when it comes to production and disruption and all those things.

686
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 1: He's a really good player. He might fall out. He's

687
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Speaker 1: made the bottom of the first roun, bottom of the

688
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: first round, top of second death where he goes. Sometimes

689
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: you gotta think about doubling up at the position. There's

690
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Speaker 1: nothing wrong with doubling up. If you want to address

691
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Speaker 1: the need, go twice. Make sure you addressed by getting

692
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Speaker 1: multiple I have you ever met a team that had

693
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 1: too many pass rushers? You can't have right now. And

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Speaker 1: here's the thing. If you end up going Walker at one, okay,

695
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Speaker 1: Walker is a is a three technique pass rusher. Once

696
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Speaker 1: you get the sub package Nickel and don uh so

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Speaker 1: I think he is, and then all of a sudden,

698
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: now you need a guy around the edge and send

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00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: the game in the game, we're gonna be a nickel.

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Speaker 1: So you have to treat it like that. Make sure

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00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta roll him in. You can't have enough.

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00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: It used to be. The game has changed. It's a

703
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: pasty league pinball football. You better score because they're going

704
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,800
Speaker 1: to on the other side. Speaking of that, let's shift

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Speaker 1: our conversation out of the wide receiver position. You mentioned

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Speaker 1: a deep guy, deep threat. Well, I mean, who are

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Speaker 1: some of those guys that could be available lower first

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Speaker 1: into the second round. Guys like Jamison Williams might be out,

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00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,800
Speaker 1: a Lobby might be gone. Garrett Wilson Ohio State probably gone.

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Speaker 1: What's that next level of guy? Well, next series? Great.

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00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: So you can see a bunch of wide receivers throughout

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Speaker 1: this draft that can make an immediate impact in terms

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Speaker 1: of roll specific guys for the Jaguars. Talking on Thornton

714
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: from Baylor is somewhere for to weight at the combat,

715
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 1: but he's a lieutenant track star going all the way back.

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00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,280
Speaker 1: Big out speed can take the top off the defense,

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00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: off the coverage, and the Jaguars need that explosive playmaker.

718
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: Jaden Tilbert from South Alabama another guy, a speaster that

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Speaker 1: can take the top offer of coverage. If you want

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00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: someone that is more of the route runner type, Khalio

721
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 1: secure guy from Well go Boise State another route runner

722
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: that can do it. They're from smaller guys Calvin Austin

723
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,279
Speaker 1: but t tiny five seven. I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: want that. But there's plenty of guys in the second,

725
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: third round, even top of the fourth round they can

726
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: make contributions as a speed receiving. If a guy's five sevens,

727
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 1: he better run like Tyreek Hill. He runs, but he's smaller.

728
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,479
Speaker 1: He's smaller, but he had to miss him because he's fast.

729
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: But a little a little self evaluation here with the Jaguars,

730
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Speaker 1: you have a lot of guys because uh literally with

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Speaker 1: la viscous Chanal and then Christian Kirk, these guys are

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00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: I think, are more suited to the inside receiving positions.

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Speaker 1: The one thing that you don't have, and Marvin Jones

734
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Speaker 1: isn't even one of these guys. You don't have a

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Speaker 1: guy that you can line up on the outside and go.

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Speaker 1: That's what you don't have. And so if you are

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Speaker 1: gonna find a wide receiver in this traft, you better

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Speaker 1: have a guy that gonna go shoot, which, by the way,

739
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: who means really fast, really bad? But what but what

740
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,319
Speaker 1: Larnes is talking about is the way that we think

741
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Speaker 1: about the wide receiver room. It needs to be a

742
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Speaker 1: basketball team. You gotta have guys with different tools, sizes, shapes,

743
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 1: left speed. You want to be able to throw different

744
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 1: things out there. And I wouldn't be surprised to also

745
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,799
Speaker 1: see another tight end. Find this way here based on

746
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 1: the way that Doug likes to play twelve personnel two

747
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: tight ends on the field because you can dictate so

748
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:38,359
Speaker 1: many things in the run game and the passing game

749
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 1: with those guys into me. Evan Ingram is a jumbo

750
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 1: slot receiver. We may have him listed. He run out

751
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: the tunnel with tight end, but he's a jumbo slot.

752
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: Here's how you know that when when you watch him play,

753
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: you look at how defensive coordinators play him. Defensive coordinators

754
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 1: played him as a wide receiver all year. What you

755
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: would like to have is a tight end that the

756
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator is in a little bit of a quandary,

757
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: how do we treat him? Well? The Kelsey's uh and

758
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: the Gronx Okay of the league, they create legitimate matchup

759
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: problems because if you put a small guy on him,

760
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: he'll block and and all of a sudden, now you're

761
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 1: out the gate and with the running game, and Okay,

762
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 1: that's the one thing that Evan Ingram is not. He's

763
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: not a guy that can really block as a big

764
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 1: man and then catch the ball. So I'm like he's

765
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: talking about buck, He's talking about don't be surprised if

766
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: this team finds a tight end, and if they do,

767
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: it'll be a guy that has the ability to do

768
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 1: both and do both well block in catch. Where do

769
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: they find that. Tray McBride would be one. Tray McBride

770
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: from Colorado State is the best one in the class,

771
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Speaker 1: but he is someone second round ish that can do it.

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00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: He's a guy that was a three spots standout in

773
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 1: high school because from Colorado State called a lot of

774
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: pass but looking can block on the edges. Greg Dotes

775
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: from u C l A walk on made his way

776
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: into a big time receiver and playmaker formal receiver, but

777
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: he can get gritty there. I just think it's really

778
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: important we're seeing tight ends in importance of controlling the

779
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: middle of the field making life easy for Trevor Lawrence.

780
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: More tight end is more big bodies, more guys that

781
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: can do abouts of different things. I would be a

782
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: little surprised if they did go tight end, just because

783
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: you know you you got a guy in free agency

784
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: last year that you feel really good about as a blocker,

785
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,240
Speaker 1: and then you traded for a guy with Dan Arnold,

786
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: and now you gotta have an ingram. You got two

787
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: receiving guys and an inline guy. So I and I

788
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 1: know the draft, you what you gotta do. What they

789
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 1: call trust your board, okay, and you're picking the guys

790
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: that are have the highest grade. But sometimes sometimes the

791
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 1: need just kind of pulls your way into another position. Room.

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Speaker 1: Going back to the start of our conversation here, don't

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Speaker 1: turn off the television after number one, right, they could

794
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 1: jump back into night. Yeah, I would, I would think

795
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Speaker 1: because if there's it in a prom spot one at

796
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: the top of the second round, so there's gonna be

797
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: interest for the Jaguars. More way to deal, they're either

798
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: interesting coming up into the first round or everyone wants

799
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Speaker 1: step first big because there's want to be a name

800
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: or two that surpleasently falls out of the first round

801
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: that people are coming to wanting to get to. So

802
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: it's a nice spot for trim Bark. He has to

803
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: make a decision if there's someone that he identifies that

804
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: I want to go get or do I want to

805
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 1: play it conservative? Back out there's some more picks and

806
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: go get well. I think there's gonna be somebody that

807
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: they really like for them to trade up with that pick,

808
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: because that pick has value. What we're with what is

809
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: called the overnight factor. You know, if you still have

810
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: that pick, you get to feel calls from thirty one

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Speaker 1: teams from the end of the draft tonight until the

812
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 1: draft starts tomorrow about somebody offering you picks to come

813
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 1: out of that spot. So I think that's a very

814
00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 1: interesting situation to be in. But the number of picks

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Speaker 1: that they have, and I think what we're talking about,

816
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 1: if you've got a guy, go up and get them.

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Speaker 1: Trader tricks getting ready. We heard from earlier here on

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Speaker 1: Jaguar is Happy Hour. We're back in a moment. We're

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Speaker 1: a look around the National Football League the NFL Draft

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Speaker 1: in Lass Vegas, Nevada. In two. Ryan Sexton is out

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Speaker 1: there for us on Jaguars dot Com. You'll see some

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Speaker 1: of his interviews coming up. But he said it is

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Speaker 1: built for the NFL Draft was built for a lot

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Speaker 1: of things, but the draft fits in well. In Las Vegas,

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Speaker 1: the Jaguars had the number one pick. We're back to

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Speaker 1: close out Jaguars Happy Hour after this on the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: Digital Network. Welcome back at Jaguars Happy Hour and if

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Speaker 1: you're watching on Jaguars dot Com Jaguars Social channels, it's

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Speaker 1: a live look at the Football Performance Centered construction site

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Speaker 1: the side of the old practice fields, the site of

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Speaker 1: old Wolfson Park. Well, it's now going to be the

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Speaker 1: site for the new building for the Jaguars football operations

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Speaker 1: and it should be open and ready in the twenty

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Speaker 1: three training camp. Is that a pool that they're digging

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Speaker 1: there on the left side. It does look like a

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Speaker 1: little cut up. Yeah, yeah, that are a fishing pond.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't that be a fishing pond? Really? Just what we

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Speaker 1: eat around here? Some more of those perfect yet, So

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Speaker 1: that's to be open a little bit. We see the

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Speaker 1: construction every single day and just one of a few

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Speaker 1: things going on here in the sports complex. Tonight, RDY

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Speaker 1: Show logs, the Iceman have a playoff game tonight. They

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00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: have guns and rosen in confer. Apparently behind us AXL

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Speaker 1: Rose is getting a loud the roar of the Jaguar

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Speaker 1: is going through their their warm ups to get ready

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Speaker 1: for Tonight's says show here at Daily's place. Hey, inside

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Speaker 1: the stadium since the practice fields are gone, the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: are having volunteering veteran mini camp on the game field

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Speaker 1: now inside, so the first chance for coaches to be

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Speaker 1: on the field with players. They're doing some minor things,

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Speaker 1: throwing the ball around a little bit, logs. Good thing. Yeah,

852
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 1: pretty neat too, and that you know, for this stadium

853
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: typically has kind of like a gravel border around the

854
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 1: outside hid of it, and they completely change the field

855
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: out its grass completely from wall to wall on the

856
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: plane field to maximize the ability square inches as far

857
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 1: as grass for the players. At some point they're gonna

858
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 1: start going across the river to Episcopal to use their field,

859
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: But for the moment, for some of this all season stuff,

860
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: they're doing it right here in the stadium. Nice, nice

861
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: little practice field because that surface there is unbelievable, real nice.

862
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: It looks nice. It looks nice to be able to

863
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: do it and wasn't in practice in the stadium. It's

864
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: a nice feel to being every going there and do it.

865
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 1: I know it has to be nice for the players

866
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: to finally get back to active with a new coaching

867
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: staff kind of put some of the things they've seen

868
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 1: on the board to put him into player on the ground.

869
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: It's early in that process, so I mean, right, I mean,

870
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: we just started. It's kind of interesting that you hear

871
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: different comments from around the league about teams getting back

872
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 1: on the grass and you know, from Russell Wilson claiming

873
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: to have you know, the great players that he's working with,

874
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: and and Matt Ryan haven't great receivers in Indianapolis. You know,

875
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: every team in April feels really good about where they are,

876
00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,800
Speaker 1: really good. You don't be like, oh, we're gonna stake

877
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: this year. We know it in May, like we can't

878
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 1: say that we can't sit in the draft. Is when

879
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: the optimism really is that because now you've got new players,

880
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: new energy, everyone's in the building, the offseason approach, undefeated.

881
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: Everybody has a chance to yes, thank you for that

882
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 1: right there, knocking on the door. Let's go around the

883
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: National Football League a few notes and the news and

884
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: notes from around the league reports that the Raiders were

885
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: looking to trade tight end Dearren Waller. Waller was on

886
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: CBS Sports Radio this week said the team told him

887
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: a trade is not going to happen. Why in the world.

888
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: Would they trade him away back? Yeah, that's a room

889
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: of going bad. You don't go and acquire Davante Adams

890
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,720
Speaker 1: to go with Hunter Renfro signed Derek Carter and extensive

891
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 1: to then remove an Alfro weapon. No, he's going to

892
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: be He's gonna be there for for he he is, uh,

893
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: I mean really arguably the second best tight end in football.

894
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he's unbelievable and and I don't think that

895
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 1: he's reached his ceiling yet. That is totally false. Whoever

896
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: came out with that rumor that he was gonna be traded,

897
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: Raiders are not gonna get rid of him. Who's the

898
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 1: number one tight end? Kelsey Kelsey, number one George Kittle.

899
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: Let's say it was Kittling good okay, but Kittle's not

900
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: the receiver that Kelsey and Kelsey For a long time,

901
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 1: I used to kind of question some of his blocking,

902
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,640
Speaker 1: but he's actually done a pretty good job and he's willing. Uh,

903
00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:36,440
Speaker 1: he's a little feisty. But Darren Waller is just you know,

904
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: when you talk about freakish ability, I mean in the

905
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: ability to run in length and catch radius. Uh. Wow,

906
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: he's got it all. Fifth year option week apparently. Of course,

907
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: we've mentioned Josh Allen got the fifth year option with

908
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: the Jaguars, Christian Wilkins got up with the Dolphins, Kyler

909
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 1: Murray with the Cardinals. Well, Daniel Jones apparently not getting

910
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 1: it with the New York Football Giants. How about that, buck, Yeah,

911
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: Danny Dives didn't get a fifth year option, but you

912
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: kind of expected at based on the injuries, the number

913
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 1: of turnovers. New coaching staff. You don't want necessarily lock

914
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 1: yourself in because then you do it, you don't like him.

915
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 1: You have a Sam Donald situation like you had in

916
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: New York. So what you want to do is, hey,

917
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:18,959
Speaker 1: if Danny Darris plays well, they'll give him his money.

918
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 1: But he has to play well. He's not worth it

919
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: right now. I mean, that's the fact that's you know.

920
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: I mean, the reality is is that he hasn't proven

921
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,439
Speaker 1: to be a great quarterback, and then until he does,

922
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 1: you know, teams, teams aren't gonna just throw out the

923
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: fifth year option at guys unless there's a lot of

924
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: high productivity, especially at that quarterback position. Because the Giants

925
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: have some amo in the future to be able to

926
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: to take a serious run out of quarterback in future

927
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: draft class, not this one, but in the future. Let's

928
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,720
Speaker 1: wrap up this Jaguars Happy Hour program J P. Shadrick,

929
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,240
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, and Jeff Flagman. You know how quickly things

930
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: can change when you're talking NFL Draft last May. If

931
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: you're into the odds of number one picks and what

932
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: players could go number one. Some of these sports books

933
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: started putting out their odds well last May. One of

934
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: them were the initial odds they put out in May

935
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 1: of last year for the number one pick. This year,

936
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:14,719
Speaker 1: here's the order they had. Spencer Rattler, quarterback, Sam Howe,

937
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: quarterback Cavon Thibodeau, Jared Stingley Jr. Teton Slova's from sc

938
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: the quarterback Pelique Willis, J. G. Daniels, Emery Jones. I mean,

939
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: the list goes on, it changes, off seasons happened, a

940
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: full college season happens, and then you never know. And

941
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,399
Speaker 1: of course tonight that Jaguar has had the number one

942
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 1: overall pick logs, I'll start with you what happens at

943
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 1: number one overall that night at Hutchinson. I think that's

944
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: that's who they picked. And I might be wrong, And uh,

945
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: if if I was in Vegas, I might lose some money,

946
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 1: but that's who I picked. I mean, I really don't

947
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,800
Speaker 1: know what they're gonna do, but if I were making

948
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: the pick, it would be hard not to pick Hutchinson,

949
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: and it would also be very difficult to take it right.

950
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: I think I usually pick one, I know, but I

951
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: like both of those guys, and I want to trade

952
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: back in and get the second and third overall pick

953
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,759
Speaker 1: for the first sounds like Urban last year. I want

954
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: to trade it to get count picks. Wait a minute,

955
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 1: he was, well, I did a deep die j p

956
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 1: and uh, I think we can get the value for

957
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: that pick. I like Hudsonson at number one. I'm still

958
00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 1: in my guts something that's telling me that traybaul Walker

959
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: is going to end up being the pick. Maybe it's

960
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: the Balky thing, maybe it's the history then he had

961
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: with all this. Know, sometimes it's hard to get out

962
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: of guests a year in your own mind. But traybauld

963
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: Walker and Hudson, I believe it's going to be one

964
00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 1: of the past questions and the office and town none.

965
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: You're done with the offensive tack. I mean, I would

966
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 1: like you, but I'm not picking. I don't have to pick,

967
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: but if I did, it would be a Hudson because

968
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,360
Speaker 1: I believe he's the safest here. Here's the thing, and

969
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: I think I was. I was posed in question on

970
00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: an interview that we did or I did earlier today

971
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,319
Speaker 1: with with with a group outs, and they said, you

972
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 1: know you are you a believer? They used to golf analogy,

973
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: do you like hitting it down the center of the

974
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: fairway or do you like to swing big. I'm a

975
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 1: believer in hitting it down the fairway because sometimes when

976
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:13,800
Speaker 1: you just try to hit it down the fairway, sometimes

977
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: it ends up being big because I think and I'm

978
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 1: not trying to be safe, but I'm just trying to

979
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 1: you know, you trust your eyes and productivity and uh

980
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: to me in the film says a lot. And it's

981
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 1: hard to argue against the productivity in the film of

982
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,760
Speaker 1: Aidan Hutchinson. And then you throw in the football character,

983
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: because the character really really matters. The guy really loves ball.

984
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: He's a great teammate, He's done everything that you want

985
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: to see from a work ethic standpoint throughout the time

986
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: in Michigan. He's going to continue to be the same

987
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: guy here. I think it would really fit in well

988
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: in this locker room. And and here's the thing. When

989
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: you talk about locker room fit, you're trying to change

990
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 1: the culture here, Okay, and this I think this is

991
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: a guy that can help change a culture. But if

992
00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: they don't take Aidan Hutchinson, Detroit will go crazy. Detroit

993
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 1: will absolutely crazy. And if they don't take Aidan Hutchinson

994
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: here there will forever be a comparison if the Jaguars

995
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 1: take Walker with Hutchinson. There you have it. The picks

996
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,320
Speaker 1: are in on Jaguars Happy Hour coming up. Our coverage

997
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: continues on Jaguars dot Com at seven thirty. It's Draft

998
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: night in Duvall our pregames show if you will for

999
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: the two NFL Draft, We'll get you ready for the

1000
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:29,399
Speaker 1: number one pick and beyond the Jaguars at number one.

1001
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: The Jags have twelve picks in this draft, at least

1002
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 1: going into today. We'll see how many they have after today.

1003
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: For Bucky Brooks, Jeff Logum, and our entire crew, I'm J. P. Shadrick.

1004
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 1: We'll see a little bit later here at Daily's Place.

1005
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