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Speaker 3: Hey, let's do it live on a First Friday miracle

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Speaker 3: edition of Cleveland Browns Daily. I am merely Bo Gibbe

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Speaker 3: is here. Hi, the g Man is here. Doctor j

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Speaker 3: eight is here. How are we living? Boys?

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Speaker 4: First Friday?

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Speaker 3: I need it.

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Speaker 4: I had a lemon They had like a little lemonade

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Speaker 4: bar downstairs. I just wanted to add a little vodka.

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Speaker 4: You can mix your own fruit in. I was like, well,

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Speaker 4: this was great with a vodka. Right now.

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Speaker 3: What's what's in a lemonade bar?

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Speaker 4: Lavelle hooked it up the multiple topping, like are things

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Speaker 4: you can put in strawberries, raspberries, fruits? Okay, yeah, A

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Speaker 4: nice little setup about eight different choices and then some

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Speaker 4: fresh squeeze lemonade.

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Speaker 3: You know the thing. My kids get most excited when

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Speaker 3: they see I don't know what restaurants have it, but

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Speaker 3: the one that has it's the orange thing. And then

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Speaker 3: it's got the kaleidoscope of flavors and you can pick

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Speaker 3: whatever flavor you want. That's That's kind of what he

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Speaker 3: the lemonade, the adult version of the pick pick the

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Speaker 3: flavor you want. I'm in for all of that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a win. It's a win. This is gonna be

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Speaker 3: a crazy I stand by what I said. We're done

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Speaker 3: with winter in terms of it being sustained. We're not

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Speaker 3: going to have sustained winter. That's done. But this is

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Speaker 3: going to be a crazy juxtaposition to go from sixties

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Speaker 3: Like right now I walked in it was sixty two sunny. Now,

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Speaker 3: sixty two sunny, and then what's coming tonight is going

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Speaker 3: to eventually turn to snow. Is that right?

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Speaker 4: Correct? And I believe before the end of the show

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Speaker 4: today there will be a potentially interesting little system coming

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Speaker 4: through in the two o'clock hours.

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Speaker 3: What are we dealing in?

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Speaker 4: Wind, maybe some rain, some thunder, some lightning.

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Speaker 3: Oh, jeez, this is the time of year we get

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Speaker 3: the oh god, yeah it is, isn't it. It's the

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Speaker 3: time of year we get those crazy windstorms.

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Speaker 4: Correct, and this is going to be this is happening

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Speaker 4: it's supposed to change over to maybe some snow showers

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Speaker 4: of night's like twenty nine.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking at the hourly with my friends at ACI

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Speaker 3: upwards of forty miles an hour sustained in the twenties.

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Speaker 3: So sustain twenties is what you're looking at on that standpoint.

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Speaker 3: And then from a temp standpoint, yeah, we've we've already peaked.

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Speaker 4: It's all downhill from here exactly. I think we bounced

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Speaker 4: We've had it in April, We've had it even in May.

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Speaker 3: This feels to me like between twelve and fifteen years ago,

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Speaker 4: Snow calling games down in Columbia and Columbus. I literally

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Speaker 4: You can go to it now if you'd like.

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Speaker 3: it was about a two minute window where Morrison clarified

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Speaker 3: and he was athletic enough that he played safety at Molar.

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Speaker 3: twenty fifteen Ohio State, Like, go win another national championship, buck, guys, right,

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Speaker 4: That's insane. I did not know that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, like it all worked.

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Speaker 3: So, yeah, he's an all time Ohio high school athlete,

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Speaker 4: But that frees up more money.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's something to talk to Hobbs about twenty joins

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Speaker 4: Things are continuous to free up there for in Cincinnati. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if you can build a team that

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Speaker 3: We've got some hot topics at eight percent about University

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Speaker 3: Hospitals Forcual health Care, partner of your Cleveland Browns. There

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Speaker 3: are reports that three big names are in the building today.

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Speaker 3: I'll go ahead and you can confirm. Yeah, Gibby can

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Speaker 3: confirm that they're in the building. Yeah, uh breakfast at

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Speaker 3: about eight am this morning. Abdul Carter, Travis Hunter, and

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Speaker 3: Shudua Sanders are all in the building today. I don't

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Speaker 4: I I you know, I know the team has said,

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Speaker 4: and there are reports out there that the team has said.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's just it's a scheduling thing, like when

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Speaker 4: I think it just so happened that the opportunity came about.

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Speaker 4: All three are here.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 4: I think the other top quarterback candidate might be here tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: This is courtesy of the Adam Schefter podcast. This is

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Speaker 6: How about Joe Flacco who's already led to Cleveland Browns

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And he's awesome. When he was here, he was

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Speaker 4: And right now the competition's going away by the day.

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Speaker 3: It's falling off.

435
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Speaker 4: Sucks with up to Kyrie, but like Dallas gun spurs out,

436
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Speaker 4: like what's left. I mean, Golden State's starting to pick

437
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Speaker 4: up a little steam.

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00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 3: Well, and they would. I mean, I think they're probably

439
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 3: in that category that the Lakers are in, you know,

440
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 3: probably behind Okace and behind Denver, but then right there

441
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 3: and something that nobody wants to play, like if Oklahoma City.

442
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 4: Are we buying Oklahoma City?

443
00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 3: I know all the smart people around the league love them.

444
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 3: I understand it. They're deep, their talented, all those things,

445
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 3: and shake Gildas Alexander's going to in the MVP. But like,

446
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 3: if it's them against Lebron and Luca in the Western Final, correct,

447
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 3: I'll take Lebron and Luca. Yeah, I think I'll roll

448
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 3: with them, That's what I'm saying. And I think it

449
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 3: would probably be like for Dan provided we win, would

450
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 3: be like the ultimate, like we're good. Now you know

451
00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,440
Speaker 3: now we're good. Now, we're good. You know we're good now.

452
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Speaker 3: So I don't know, but I think you better wrap

453
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Speaker 3: your head around that, cause I think that's what this

454
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Speaker 3: thing is.

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Speaker 4: I don't even know what that will look like for me.

456
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Speaker 3: Will it'll be a ratings bonanza? Yeah, be a ratings bonanza.

457
00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,200
Speaker 3: I think it's actually I think Lakers Calves would even

458
00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 3: be bigger than Lakers Celtics. I know that seems crazy

459
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 3: to people, but I relate the history and everything. Yeah,

460
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Speaker 3: I think it would be the highest possible rating for

461
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Speaker 3: the NBA to have that storyline of Lebron coming back here.

462
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 3: By the way, he had what do you have last night?

463
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Speaker 3: Thirty six, eight and seven.

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Speaker 4: Luca or Lebron Lebron.

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Speaker 3: Lebron's on a terror right now and Luca had like

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Speaker 3: thirty four fifteen assists and eight rebounds.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, cheez. So is Lebron to go to down the stretch?

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Speaker 3: Well, he acquiesces to Luca. From what I've in the

469
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 3: times I've seen, they kind of they just it just

470
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:17,240
Speaker 3: works because they're both supercomputers, so they just make the

471
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 3: right play all the time. They don't even have Austin

472
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 3: Reeves who turned into a really nice player for them.

473
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 3: He's been out last couple of games. But it feels

474
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Speaker 3: to me like we're headed for Cavs Lakers, which would

475
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Speaker 3: be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 4: That'd be a lot of fun, all right.

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Speaker 3: Twenty three years. After twenty three years, ESPN has canceled

478
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Speaker 3: Around the Horn. The final episode will air May twenty third.

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Speaker 3: I thought they kind of announced this earlier that this

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Speaker 3: was coming. Maybe they just finally made it official, but

481
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Speaker 3: there's a lot of rumors that it was coming. Do

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Speaker 3: you remember the original cast of the very first Around

483
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Speaker 3: the Horn? Oh my god, I'm gonna give it a shot.

484
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Speaker 3: I don't know this for sure. I remember I watched

485
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 3: it because I was I loved Tony and Mike in

486
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Speaker 3: the Washington Post, and I remember as soon as PTI

487
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 3: came on, I'm like, that shows off. That's nothing that

488
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Speaker 3: you want. And then they launched the show after it.

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Speaker 3: So Max Kellerman his host, does the g man have

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Speaker 3: it up?

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Speaker 4: He's working on it now. I'm trying not to look

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Speaker 4: at it all right.

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Speaker 3: I think Max Kellerman's the host. I think it's Jay

494
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Speaker 3: Marriotti out of Chicago, former Sun Times columnist.

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Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna go with is it Bob Bryan, Bob Ryan.

496
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Speaker 4: I think Bob Bryan's got to be up there.

497
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Speaker 3: Bob Ryan, Boston Globe. I think I'm gonna go. Now,

498
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,680
Speaker 3: there's three that I could go for the final two spots.

499
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 3: It's either Bill Plashky out of Denver. Plashki's out of

500
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 3: La La Sorry Plashki, Woody Page, that's one of those

501
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:51,359
Speaker 3: Dinner Tim Kallashaw, who is uh? I think it's one

502
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Speaker 3: of the two.

503
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Speaker 4: Is the guy out of Detroit that was on the

504
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Speaker 4: Sunday Morning reporters Mitch Alban No, uh glasses uh, Lupica, Lupaca,

505
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 4: New York. He's New York, New York Daily News. No,

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Speaker 4: I don't think he was on it.

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Speaker 5: Do you have it?

508
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 8: G man?

509
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 5: Man?

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00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 4: Do you know the original cast? I'm gonna go. The

511
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 4: first host was Max Kellerman. I know is Kellerman.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go, Marriotti, Ryan Plashky, Tim Kalishaw. I'm gonna

513
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 3: go with that, But I think it could be Woody Page.

514
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 3: I think what do you Page? And calish are?

515
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 4: We can't find the actual year. There's train horns if

516
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Speaker 4: you'd like that around the horn cast revealed all right

517
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 4: here we go.

518
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 3: Very first episode?

519
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 4: All right, so in reality can it's it's tough to find.

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Speaker 3: Well, the Wikipedia may have it.

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Speaker 4: Oh look at look at the around the Horns first show?

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00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 3: Was it, Paige? I think what he might have? I

523
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 3: forgot Woody Pages on cold Pizza.

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00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 4: Okay, there's page. Page was on.

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00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 3: So page was on? So I bet it's Page Plaski,

526
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:17,000
Speaker 3: Ryan Marriotti, that's my guess, Ryan, Bob, Ryan, Bill, Plashki,

527
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 3: Jay Marriotti and Woody Page? Or did Kalashaw replace.

528
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 4: You had Max, you had Ryan, you have Marriotti, you

529
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 4: had Page you did not have?

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Speaker 3: Is it Plashki or Calashaw? J?

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Speaker 4: Simmer J.

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Speaker 3: Simers was on the first episode?

533
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Speaker 5: Or Bill.

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Speaker 3: TJ. Simers He was an La Times columnist from back

535
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Speaker 3: in the day. Yeah, oh man, I would not have

536
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Speaker 3: had that. So Simer's TJ. Simers, Marriotti, Ryan and Page.

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00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 3: Get that's right, Okay, I would Now I got that wrong.

538
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 3: Then I thought it for sure. I had the I

539
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 3: thought for sure I had four NF group of five.

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Speaker 3: I would not have had TJ on the first one.

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Speaker 3: I would have thought. I guess I had the right newspaper.

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00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 3: Plashki was La Times and say Simer's was The La

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00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 3: Times as well. But man, that's a lot of shows

544
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 3: twenty three years ago, however, run Yeah, yeah, yeah, and

545
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 3: it was you're talking about the final episodal air May

546
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 3: twenty third. Tony Reality's been hosting.

547
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 4: It for ever, he's gone through something February two thousand,

548
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 4: has produced it and hosted it.

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00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 3: Well, he was stat boy on PTI. Yeah, so you

550
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 3: did like PTI stat Boy, which then led to it. Yeah,

551
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 3: it was a definite in those in the beginning, it

552
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 3: was very much a hot habit take don't suck show.

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00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 3: You know, it was strong and it was they'd be

554
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 3: very argumentative. It's it doesn't really have that much anymore.

555
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 3: But that's a heck of a run twenty three years

556
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 3: in the same spot. Good job out of them. And

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Speaker 3: I think PTI is just going to be an hour now,

558
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 3: is what they're doing.

559
00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 4: I'd do that. I love PTI.

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00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,719
Speaker 3: Still, he's got to be approaching eighty though, right, how

561
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 3: long can he do that? Same with Wilbo will Willbon's

562
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 3: ten years younger than Tony, So if Tony's in his

563
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 3: late seventies, will Bond's late sixties. So going back from

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Speaker 3: their Washington Post days. Yeah, you know, it's funny real

565
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 3: quickly on this. You know how like when we were kids,

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Speaker 3: Sports Center was the be all end all all the

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Speaker 3: way through like college, high, high school, college, all that,

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Speaker 3: young adults.

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Speaker 9: All that.

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Speaker 3: I just watched my kids behavior. They watch Sports Center

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Speaker 3: every morning. Smart kids. They get up and they put

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Speaker 3: it on and they watch it all the way through

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Speaker 3: ten top ten top plays and then they go get

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Speaker 3: in the ship. That's the same routine every day. Sports

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00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 3: Center might be making a little bit of comeback. I'm

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Speaker 3: I'm going with stuff in one place. There's value in it.

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00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: I think it's it's interesting because the long assignment was fading,

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Speaker 3: and I know we'll ever get back to what it was,

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Speaker 3: you know, with the person out and all that stuff

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Speaker 3: and the feel good addition all that won't have that.

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Speaker 3: But that morning when the kids watch, Willbon is sixty six,

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Speaker 3: so then Tony's got to be seventy six. Yeah, yeah,

583
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Speaker 8: Very happy now to be joined by Matt Miller, ESPN

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Speaker 8: NFL Draft Analyst. And here we are at the combine

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Speaker 8: yet again. When you come here? What do you do

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Speaker 8: so much work on the tape when you come here?

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Speaker 8: Is it more about the conversations that maybe happen outside

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Speaker 8: of where we are right now, or is it more

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Speaker 8: about the on field?

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Speaker 5: What do you what do you come in here to get?

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Speaker 10: Man it's both, and I feel like I have a

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Speaker 10: I kind of have a unique role at ESPN because

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00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 10: I am trying to do the you know, talking to people,

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Speaker 10: gathering information, reporting some of that information back to readers

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Speaker 10: and viewers. But then I'm also evaluating the players, you know.

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00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 10: So it's it's a lot. It's you kind of wear

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Speaker 10: two hats at the same time, and you're trying to

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Speaker 10: watch players while having conversations and pick up information at

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Speaker 10: the same time, because you know, ultimately like that's what

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Speaker 10: we want to take back to viewers and readers is sure,

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Speaker 10: here's what I'm hearing, but also like here's what I'm seeing,

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Speaker 10: Here's here's my view of it, but here's.

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Speaker 9: What I'm told.

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Speaker 10: And so that's what makes you know, like mock drafts

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Speaker 10: versus big boards kind of fun because you get to

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Speaker 10: do both those things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I actually took the words out of

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Speaker 1: my mouth by that where that's where I was going.

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Speaker 1: How do you first of all, there's a communication with

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Speaker 1: the reader in the viewer, like here's the difference. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but how do you even in your head keep it

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Speaker 1: straight because you may say, well, hey, I have this

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Speaker 1: guy as the twelfth rated player, the eighteenth rated player,

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Speaker 1: but I know he's going in.

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Speaker 5: The top ten.

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Speaker 9: It happens.

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Speaker 5: Do you ever feel the need, the.

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Speaker 1: Inclination to go well, maybe I'll slide them up a

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Speaker 1: little bit.

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Speaker 5: Like how do you balance that?

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Speaker 10: I try really hard to not be influenced by it,

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00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 10: so like in my database that I you know, it's

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Speaker 10: just me. I'm in there, the only one putting notes

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Speaker 10: in it. I'll put in bold letters, like a good

641
00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 10: example this year Schamar Stewart, defensive lineman from Texas and him,

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Speaker 10: I think it'll be a top fifteen pick.

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Speaker 9: He looks the part, right. I personally have him rated

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Speaker 9: in the.

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Speaker 10: Thirties, so because of the lack of production, one and

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Speaker 10: a half sacks each of the last three years, right,

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Speaker 10: So I'll put in big, bold letters he's going to

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Speaker 10: go in the top fifteen. So that when I am

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Speaker 10: doing a mock draft and I'm running through my list

650
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 10: of like Okay, who's a fit for the Browns, you

651
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 10: know it's like, Okay, this guy, even though I have

652
00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 10: him rated low, he's going to go higher. So I

653
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 10: just try to keep myself as organized as humanly possible.

654
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 10: But you're there is always that temptation of when a

655
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 10: guy gets drafted on Thursday night, folks are going to

656
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 10: go look and see where you had him graded right

657
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 10: or had him ranked. And it is tough when a

658
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 10: guy goes fifteen and you have him in the thirties.

659
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 10: So I think that's where you have to do a

660
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 10: good job of explaining why there's that discrepancy.

661
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 8: Are there individuals, whether it be kind of in your

662
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 8: community on the media side, or I'm sure scouts or

663
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 8: gms even that when you come here, you get excited

664
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Speaker 8: to fifteen minutes, twenty minutes and here's what I think

665
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 8: about this?

666
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 5: What do you think about it?

667
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: Yeah?

668
00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 10: Absolutely, I think that's the forgotten part of the combine

669
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 10: is it's almost like a high school reunion. You know,

670
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 10: you get to see everybody, and you get to talk

671
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 10: to people that you know. Some people I only see

672
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 10: once a year because it feels like we're all remote

673
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 10: these days, you know, working, So I think that part

674
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 10: of it's great. It's nice to also build those new

675
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 10: relationships as the scouting community turns over. I'm getting older,

676
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 10: they're getting younger, right, So it's like I ran into

677
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 10: a scout the other day and he was like, mister Miller,

678
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 10: I've been reading you since junior high and I was like,

679
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 10: hold up.

680
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 9: Yeah, dude, I'm not old enough to be called mister Miller.

681
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 10: Right, I won one hundred and in person, this dude's

682
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 10: like twenty four years old, and it's like, do the math.

683
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,359
Speaker 10: It's yeah, he I guess he has been reading me

684
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 10: for that long. So that's kind of the fun part

685
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 10: of it now, too, is getting introduced to the younger

686
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 10: generation of scouts that are coming up.

687
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the quarterbacks here, Matt Miller.

688
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: Let's just cut right to it. Yeah, I'm gonna take

689
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: the top two guys out of it, all right, Okay,

690
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna preface this by saying that historically, you know,

691
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,520
Speaker 1: the theory, oh I'm gonna get a Day two quarterback

692
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: and I'll be fine doesn't work.

693
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 5: Yep. Okay, Who is QB three?

694
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 1: And is QB three Assuming he's Day two, he might

695
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: be in the twenties, But assuming he's Day two, is

696
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: QB three in this draft a winning long term answer

697
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 1: for anybody?

698
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 10: I think QB three is Jackson Dart And I'm with you.

699
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 10: I mean, in the right situation, yes, But for twenty

700
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 10: five out of thirty two teams probably not right. I

701
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 10: don't think that you're gonna get a Jalen Hurts type

702
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 10: situation where you get a guy fifty two and he

703
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 10: goes and win to you a super Bowl.

704
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 4: Yep.

705
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 10: I think that's a really unique situation. The middle classic

706
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 10: quarterback is kind of gone. It's either you're good enough

707
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 10: to go in the first round because teams think you're

708
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 10: a starter. Like you don't draft a lot of backups

709
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 10: in the second round, you know. So I think that's

710
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:17,720
Speaker 10: where it does hurt the quarterback position because you're ultimately saying,

711
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 10: we didn't like this guy enough in the first round

712
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 10: to think he's a starter, but we'll take him in

713
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 10: the second round and we hope he's a backup for

714
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 10: five years. Like it's so it's I think that's where

715
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 10: we're seeing that gap. Like last year, six quarterbacks in

716
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 10: round one, we didn't have another go to like round four,

717
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 10: round five.

718
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,359
Speaker 9: So that's where it'll be.

719
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 10: I think very interesting this year because we got this

720
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 10: big group of quarterbacks Jackson Dart, Quinn Ewers, Will Howard,

721
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:42,560
Speaker 10: Kyle McCord, Jaylen Milroe, all those guys, and we don't

722
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 10: think they're round one players. Where's oh, they're round two,

723
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 10: round three on grades? Like, where do they actually get

724
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 10: drafted because they have some starter ability if they're developed,

725
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 10: But like you said, that doesn't really happen anymore.

726
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: No, it's just because you got a good value there,

727
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that value is actually going to be a

728
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 1: win football player as a starter.

729
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 10: Well, this year we have what fourteen teams in the

730
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 10: playoff are Twelve of them had first round quarterbacks. The

731
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 10: other two were Jalen Hurts and who is there's one more?

732
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 1: There was seven of eight on division seven of eight

733
00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: on Divisional weekend were first round picks and Jalen Hurts.

734
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 10: Right, So you got it. I mean I think you

735
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 10: have to go really and you have to have that conviction.

736
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 10: I mean, sitting at two, everyone knows y'all need a quarterback,

737
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 10: Like you got to have that conviction and say, hey,

738
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 10: this is these are the quarterbacks available. Can we build

739
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 10: around them? Can we can we make something happen with

740
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 10: one of these guys?

741
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 5: You're exactly Ryan. Ultimately take it a step further.

742
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 8: Of the top twelve scoring offenses in the league, eleven

743
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 8: of them had first round quarterbacks. Six of those were

744
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 8: picked first or second overall, Jalen Hurt super Bowl champion,

745
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 8: obviously the one outlier there. And you know in this business, right,

746
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 8: don't bet on outliers. Yeah, Nope, don't do that.

747
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:48,440
Speaker 5: Don't want to do that.

748
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 8: So let's talk about the top two and obviously the

749
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 8: huge need for the Browns they do. Pick second here,

750
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 8: cam Ward Shadoor Sanders, how do you have them? And

751
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 8: kind of lots of the conversation we've had and the

752
00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 8: kind of even in our own conclusions, right, Chador maybe

753
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 8: a better pocket passer, maybe in a Stefanski McVeigh Shanahan.

754
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 8: Nice fit, cam better ball, a play more tools.

755
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 10: Yeah, And it so like with my job, you know,

756
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 10: we scout for these imaginary teams that we build in

757
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 10: our minds. I like cam Ward Moore because that's more

758
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,799
Speaker 10: like my style of quarterback. The bigger arm, the mobility,

759
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 10: some of the playmaking that he has. But I have

760
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 10: said this before, I've said it on TV, I've said

761
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,279
Speaker 10: it in articles. I think Shador Sanders is a better

762
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 10: fit for my understanding of what Chemistefanski wants to do offensively,

763
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 10: going back to his roots, I think Shador is a

764
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 10: better fit. That doesn't mean he's gonna be the picket

765
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 10: to or that he's even the right picket too. But

766
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 10: I think if you had to ask me which guy

767
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,880
Speaker 10: fits the Browns better, I think Chador's style fits better.

768
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 10: But you could absolutely talk yourself into cam Ward. You're

769
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 10: in a division with MVPs, you have Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow. Yes,

770
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 10: you need a guy who can like go make those

771
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,800
Speaker 10: plays for you as opposed to I think Shador is

772
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 10: a point guard, whereas cam Ward is a score. He's like,

773
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 10: he'll general, he's gonna go out and he's gonna create

774
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,479
Speaker 10: things that happen. You know, with Shador, he is gonna

775
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 10: he'll sit in the pocket and he'll just throw darts

776
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 10: all over the field. He's incredibly accurate, he's incredibly tough,

777
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 10: but he's not the biggest guy and he doesn't have

778
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 10: the strongest arm. And so you you are almost saying, like, Okay,

779
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 10: can we carve up the Bengals and Ravens and Steelers

780
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:14,800
Speaker 10: with a pocket quarterback?

781
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 9: That's that's one of the big questions.

782
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 5: It's Matt Miller, who is RB two for you?

783
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 9: O Marion Hampton from North Carolina.

784
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 5: You think he's there at thirty three.

785
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 10: Ooh No, probably not, because I just I feel like

786
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 10: the running back has become so in vogue and this is,

787
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 10: you know, a draft class that is light on blue

788
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,600
Speaker 10: chip players. So I do think there's a strong chance

789
00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 10: he goes in the in the first round.

790
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 1: I mean, our our friend and Kyleige Daniel Jeremiah has

791
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,879
Speaker 1: three running backs in round number one.

792
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 10: Okay, I haven't seen it. I haven't seen his latest

793
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 10: mock draft.

794
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: That Hampton going to the Vikings and he admits here

795
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 1: that hey, it's version two of the draft and he

796
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: was messing around with his son, and his son was.

797
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 5: Like, hey, let's get some chaos here. Yeah.

798
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 3: I love it.

799
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 5: Three backs in the first round.

800
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 9: Trevion hid Underson the third one, I assume from Ohio State.

801
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 8: Now you're putting me up, Yeah, yeah, yes that pod

802
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 8: yet right was genty when twenty one? I want to say,

803
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 8: this was yeah, and then it was the Vikings and

804
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 8: yes it was Travion.

805
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 5: No, I think it was.

806
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 1: Actually I think he had Hampton going to the Chargers

807
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 1: because I, yeah, somebody goes to the Vike, right, maybe

808
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: it's Travia. Travion to be like Gibbs hamped to the Chargers.

809
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 1: And I point out to DJ later there is your

810
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: Natron means North Carolina.

811
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,400
Speaker 5: Chargers, full circle energy right there.

812
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 10: Kyper put out him mocked this week because we did

813
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 10: a show on it before I came here, and he

814
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 10: had a Marion and Hampton going twelve to the Cowboys dead.

815
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: Well, hold on, if we're working all these names in

816
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:44,919
Speaker 1: here for the for we're talking to Matt Miller here

817
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: for draft experts, we will make light of what we

818
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 1: were talking about off the air, and that is insiders

819
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: battling and coffee shops here.

820
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, drink of water.

821
00:39:54,120 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 1: Would the draft gurus you DJ, mel Dane Brugler from

822
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: the Athletic Ohio guy, would you four consider something similar?

823
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: Has it ever come to pushing and shoving at a

824
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 1: coffee shop?

825
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,600
Speaker 10: Well, Kiper doesn't travel, so no, you can't get Melo

826
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 10: out of Baltimore right until the actual draft, so it'd

827
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 10: have to happen on the road.

828
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 9: Uh Man. DJ is the nicest human being in the world, Jeremiah.

829
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 10: I saw him this morning and like, if you see DJ,

830
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 10: you get a smile and a hug and he says.

831
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 9: Something complimentary about your work. Absolutely so, no, I think with.

832
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 10: Our industry we're not breaking news. You know, there's not

833
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 10: that that rush to be first. So now I think

834
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 10: we all get along. You you don't want to kick

835
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 10: Bucky Brooks, but Bucky would whip me. No, I love Bucky,

836
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 10: Bucky's Bucky. I'm not gonna score up with Davis, you know,

837
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 10: like I'm there's no way.

838
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, you have the age in the quickness

839
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: on Chuck right now. People forget Bucky was a second

840
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: round pick. He was Travis Hunter before Travis Hunter. Yeah,

841
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: he played wide receiver and corner in this league and

842
00:40:57,120 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: return kicks.

843
00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 5: Travis Hunter was just as would you return kicks?

844
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: He goes, I already got two jobs, Hey, Travis, Bucky

845
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: Brooks had three, Buddy, Yeah, just saying.

846
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:06,920
Speaker 9: No, I don't want anything. I don't want anything to

847
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 9: do with this, guys, not at all.

848
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,080
Speaker 8: I'd run all right for a real quick Brown centric

849
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 8: to kind of build on. Let's say it is a

850
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 8: quarterback at two thirty three. I'm all about weapons. I

851
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 8: think you need to score to be competitive in the

852
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 8: National Football League. Who are some of the people And

853
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 8: I use the word weapon because I don't really care

854
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 8: now if it's a running back, if it's a tight end,

855
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 8: if it's a receiver that could be in that thirty

856
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 8: three spot, or maybe somebody that would say, hey, let's

857
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,760
Speaker 8: get move a little bit. We all these have the eleven,

858
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 8: you know, all these picks, let's get into the back

859
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 8: of the first round.

860
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 10: Man, I want to see where the receiver run happens.

861
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,800
Speaker 10: Because Travis Hunters, he's off by himself, He's going to

862
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 10: go really really early. But after that, where do guys

863
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 10: like Ted McMillan from Arizona, Matthew Golden from Texas, Luther

864
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 10: Burden from Missouri, a Mecca Buck Ohio state.

865
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Speaker 9: Where does that run start?

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Speaker 10: Because if it doesn't start until the twenties, you might

867
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Speaker 10: be looking at a situation where one of them is

868
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Speaker 10: still available at thirty three. Because teams are going to

869
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Speaker 10: draft offensive tackles defensive linemen in this draft, they're going.

870
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Speaker 9: To fly off the board.

871
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Speaker 10: So I do think those four receivers there's a shot

872
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Speaker 10: that one of them is still there at thirty three.

873
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Speaker 10: I think in the tight end position, Tyler Warren and

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Speaker 10: Colston Loveland are going to be gone, but Mason Taylor

875
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Speaker 10: could potentially be there. Elijah Arroyo from Miami, who had

876
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Speaker 10: a really good Senior Bowl week. He's gonna be there,

877
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Speaker 10: so I think you can get weapons, and even at

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Speaker 10: running back, even if the three yere gone. Caleb Johnson

879
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 10: from Iowa, hell of a player, Quinn Shawn Judkins Ohio

880
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 10: State really good player. Dylan Sampson from Tennessee is a

881
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 10: really good player. So I do think you can get

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Speaker 10: those weapons at thirty three.

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Speaker 8: That'd be great. Matt Miller, thank you so much for

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Speaker 8: the time. Enjoy the rest of your time here in Indy.

885
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Speaker 8: And as he said, tredy easy. Yeah, in thes around

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Speaker 8: the combine. Already happy now to be joining.

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Speaker 3: I had good stuff there was Zee Andrew and of

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Speaker 3: course Matt Miller of ESPN that from last week at

889
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Speaker 3: the NFL Scouting Combine. Coming up next week, go around

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Speaker 3: the league. It's been a busy day already. We'll get

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Speaker 3: you up to speed. Coming up next to list to

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Speaker 3: Time to go around the League, presented by Lee Filter,

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Speaker 3: official gutter Guard to your Cleveland Browns. We have some

902
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 3: breaking news on the defensive end front, not concerning our guy,

903
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:31,919
Speaker 3: but potentially.

904
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Speaker 4: I think it could affect our guy coming up here.

905
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 4: The Raiders signing Pro Bowl defensive end Max Crosby to

906
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 4: a three year, one hundred and six point five million

907
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:46,800
Speaker 4: dollar extension that includes ninety one and a half guaranteed.

908
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,839
Speaker 4: That's a nice payday, making him the highest paid non

909
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 4: QB in NFL history from Adam Schefter.

910
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Speaker 3: Even more than a full stop, more than receivers. Yeah,

911
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 3: so Jamar Chasel one to top that.

912
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Speaker 4: Correct. So there's a number of players that are like great.

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Speaker 4: Enjoy that for about thirty six hours, and I'll see

914
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Speaker 4: if I can top it.

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Speaker 3: Jamar Chase will want to top that, Miles will want

916
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Speaker 3: to top it, yeah, Michaeh. Parsons will want to top it.

917
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Speaker 4: Yep.

918
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Speaker 3: So that that sets that new benchmark. That does tie

919
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Speaker 3: in a little bit what we were talking about yesterday

920
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Speaker 3: with the Raiders give When we were talking about I

921
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 3: do wonder, especially with Brady, those new minority investors that

922
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Speaker 3: they have, there is this feeling of we're getting tired

923
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Speaker 3: of not being not making enough traction in our market

924
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 3: because but now there's no easy way for them to

925
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 3: become there's no cheat code for them to become relevant.

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Speaker 3: But I saw the letting Minshew walk. I think probably

927
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 3: Rogers would sell there a little bit with Pete and

928
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 3: all of that, Like Adams could come back. You've got Bowers,

929
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 3: Crosby's locked in, Rogers, draft McMillan out of Arizona or whoever.

930
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 3: That's kind of a semblance of something. There are teams

931
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 3: that are they signed Joe Kappa today too. By the way,

932
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 3: Alex Alex Alex two years. I think it's eleven million

933
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 3: a year. So like if you get cut, you don't

934
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Speaker 3: have to wait till legal tampering on Monday at noon,

935
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Speaker 3: Like you're free to sign now. So some of these

936
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Speaker 3: guys are getting cut, they they're free to pursue other

937
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 3: interests asap. You just feel like they're like the Raiders

938
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Speaker 3: were one of those teams positioning themselves. The Cowboys seem

939
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:28,360
Speaker 3: to be positioning themselves to go after somebody redoing CDs

940
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 3: contract and a few other guys. And I mean, we

941
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Speaker 3: know why the Bengals are repositioning themselves.

942
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 9: But.

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00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 4: Fascinating to see this. I mean, and the league new

944
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 4: year starts one week from today.

945
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Speaker 3: Legal tampering is one week Monday from one week from

946
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:49,479
Speaker 3: this past Monday. Yes, this Monday, coming up Monday at noon. Yeah,

947
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 3: So you're seeing a lot of these things that are happening.

948
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Speaker 3: That's one where it's a guy re upping and getting

949
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: a raise. The Seahawks, as we mentioned earlier in the program,

950
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Speaker 3: release vetter and wide receiver TJ Lockett Tyler Lockett rather

951
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 3: and they asked. They have given DK Metcalf requested a

952
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 3: trade and they're going to try to make that work.

953
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 3: So they are going to eliminate two thirds of their

954
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: receiver room. Obviously Jackson Smith and Jig had a great

955
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,879
Speaker 3: season there. But at the same time, that is a

956
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,720
Speaker 3: dramatic turn of events for a team that has Gino

957
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 3: Smith under contract for one more year. Correct, and then

958
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 3: that's it on that side of things. The Jacksonville Jaguars

959
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 3: have released wide receiver Christian Kirk. There's gonna be there's

960
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 3: gonna be a lot of talent out there. What's receiver?

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00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 4: What's the deeper class? Wide receiver free agents? Wide receiver draft.

962
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 4: I know you're going to pay more for wide receiver

963
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:42,320
Speaker 4: free agents, but the wide receiver class is quickly blossoming here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean T Higgins was at the top of that,

965
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 3: but now you have all these other guys underneath it.

966
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 3: And this does I think piggyback into something that I've

967
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 3: talked about for the last couple of years that I

968
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 3: think there's going to be such a glut of wide

969
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 3: receivers coming into the league that you can you don't

970
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,400
Speaker 3: need to that wide receivers almost will start to be

971
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 3: treated sort of like how running backs got treated, where

972
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 3: they were so many coming in and so many college

973
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 3: teams running three and four wide stuff all the time,

974
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 3: that the amount of demand for the position is less

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00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 3: so because it's consistently being filled via the draft. Sure,

976
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 3: and I think there might be something to that mentioned

977
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 3: Gardner Minshew expected to be released by the Raiders as well.

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00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 4: I might be willing to take a flyer on him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it just depends on what the room is around, Yeah,

980
00:47:27,760 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 3: what the spot is, and then what you do I

981
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 3: think the thing that we learned this is what I think.

982
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 3: This is the one thing that I think we learned

983
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 3: in the Baker experience. It's really important that if you

984
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 3: draft a quarterback high, and I hope that we do

985
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 3: and anticipate that we will, that if that's the case,

986
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 3: that player needs to be put in the absolute optimal

987
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,080
Speaker 3: incubator for success. And I don't think you can just

988
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 3: throw guys in a room, correct and see would you

989
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 3: be supporting? What does this look like? So whatever you do,

990
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 3: if you take what is widely reported and acknowledge that

991
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,279
Speaker 3: you're going to take a quarterback at two greeving, if

992
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 3: you do it, Nathan and I have been talking about,

993
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 3: which is go all the way one. Whoever you sign

994
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 3: as the veteran opposite that rookie quarterback has got to

995
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 3: want to do that job, like Josh McCown did. Josh

996
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 3: did that.

997
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 4: I know that I may start the season and by

998
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 4: week four or five I might be just in a

999
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 4: teaching position and a clipboard holder, or I could be

1000
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 4: a clipboard holder right from the get go.

1001
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 3: Because Tyrod was to get him ready. Tyrod Taylor did

1002
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 3: not want to do that. No, Brian Hoyer didn't want

1003
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 3: to do it. Brian Hoyer didn't want to do it. Yeah, No,

1004
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 3: that wasn't. That wasn't part of the Tyrod came here.

1005
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 3: I'm going to be the starting quarterback of the Browns.

1006
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:47,839
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be the startning quarterback for the full year.

1007
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 5: Yep.

1008
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 3: He wasn't there to get Baker Baker Mayfield better. And

1009
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:54,400
Speaker 3: that's something that hopefully we learn from and whoever we

1010
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 3: draft it too. We give them the full support of

1011
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 3: the room and every buddy to have success and have

1012
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 3: trust and belief and all of those things. So that's

1013
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 3: a tricky one when you think about that filling up

1014
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 3: that quarterback room, however they decide to do it. If

1015
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 3: you're just joining this, we talked about this quite a

1016
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 3: bit off the top. Sam Hubbard has announced his retirement

1017
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 3: from the NFL. The former Bengals Ohio State cinc Andy

1018
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 3: Moeller star He's gonna save the Bengals about ten million

1019
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: in cap space with the move. Has some iconic plays

1020
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,240
Speaker 3: for them, ninety eight yard rumble in the jungle, returned

1021
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 3: for a touchdown against the Ravens in the Division Round

1022
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, and then his last play

1023
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 3: he caught it pass from Joe Burrow. That's it. Got

1024
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,719
Speaker 3: hurt on that playe that's it. So that's at just

1025
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:43,400
Speaker 3: twenty nine for Sam. A couple other ones Bengals linebacker

1026
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 3: Brandon Graham, I'm sorry. Eagles linebacker brand and Graham retore

1027
00:49:46,160 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 3: his tricep during the Super Bowl played through it, which

1028
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 3: means they had not won but two linebackers playing through injury.

1029
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,080
Speaker 3: Ellen Smith of the torn tricep in that one as well. Yeah,

1030
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 3: that's pretty wild. Couple from since from Texas wide receiver

1031
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 3: Tank Dell having a second surgery on his torn acl

1032
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 3: that he suffered in Kansas City. His status for twenty

1033
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 3: twenty five is up in the air. Boy, that's scary. Yeah,

1034
00:50:07,480 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 3: this in the game.

1035
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Speaker 4: The general had this late in morning that he had

1036
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 4: to have a second surgery.

1037
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Speaker 3: Did he say when that surgery happened like recently?

1038
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 4: Like this week? So? I mean he tore reportedly four

1039
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 4: different major ligaments.

1040
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,800
Speaker 3: Oh that's right. This was gruesome, wasn't it. That was

1041
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:30,720
Speaker 3: total mess.

1042
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, but that's a big piece for CJ. Stroud and company.

1043
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 3: Sure is now the Texans probably in a response to that,

1044
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 3: or at least with some acknowledgement that that could be possible,

1045
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 3: restructured the contact contract of Nico Collins to free up

1046
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 3: nine million in cap space. Texans are a team to

1047
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 3: watch in free agency. They're a team to watch via

1048
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,880
Speaker 3: trade if there's a dis like them. For DK Metcalf

1049
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 3: would make sense to me. Sure their best players are

1050
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 3: young guys who they haven't had to pay yet. CJ

1051
00:50:59,520 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 3: that to me, he feels like they window out. Yeah,

1052
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 3: Will Anderson as well, still on that rookie deal. So

1053
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 3: lots going on. We anticipate this continuing throughout the next week,

1054
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Speaker 3: the three this week, early next week, the business of

1055
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 3: the NFL really starting to heat up in advance of

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Speaker 3: the start of the new league year. The legal tampling, remember,

1057
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Speaker 3: begins on Monday for free agency as well. All Right,

1058
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Speaker 3: Coming up next second hour of the program we kick

1059
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Speaker 3: it off was Z's conversation with ESPN NFL Draft analyst

1060
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Speaker 3: Field Yates.

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Speaker 4: That's coming up next.

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Speaker 3: List to Cleveland Browns Daily on a fifty esp and Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: go around the AFC North and specifically to Cincinnati where

1069
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Speaker 3: they had a lot of news coming up with Jeff Hobson.

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Speaker 3: That's in about twenty five minutes from right now. Between

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Speaker 3: now and then, here is Ze sitting down with ESPN

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Speaker 3: NFL Draft analyst Field Yates at the NFL Scouting Combine.

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Speaker 8: Very happy now to be joined by a great friend

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Speaker 8: of the program, as we do always at the Combine,

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Speaker 8: ESPN NFL Analyst Draft Analyst Field Yates.

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Speaker 11: It was very professional.

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Speaker 8: I love it. It is professional, and Field, I gotta be

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Speaker 8: honest with you. I am so glad that we're doing

1079
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 8: this now because a couple of weeks ago, I don't

1080
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 8: know if we would have been sitting down here doing

1081
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 8: this interview. You were passing on a quarterback for the

1082
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,280
Speaker 8: Browns at two, giving them to I think the Giants

1083
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 8: and maybe the Raiders and saying how great it was

1084
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 8: for them, and we're like, but we went too, what

1085
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 8: about us? And then Adam Schefter, your colleague, goes on

1086
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 8: and you say all future mocks will have a quarterback

1087
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 8: to the Browns. It too, and look and now here

1088
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 8: we are and there's joyous.

1089
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,399
Speaker 12: There are a few rules that I follow in life.

1090
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 12: One of them is my wife is always correct. The

1091
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,839
Speaker 12: second one is that Schefty speaks, I listen, or if

1092
00:53:11,840 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 12: he tweets, I listen as well. And so yeah, I mean,

1093
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 12: when Adam Schefter is that assertive in his opinion about

1094
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 12: what's gonna happen. And the time that that tweet went

1095
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 12: out or the clip went out was over two months

1096
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 12: in advance of the draft, it tells me that, you know,

1097
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 12: the man who knows all certainly know something in this case.

1098
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 12: So the Browns will be getting a quarterback in all

1099
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:32,600
Speaker 12: future mock drafts that come from me and probably all

1100
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 12: of my colleagues in ESPN as well.

1101
00:53:34,560 --> 00:53:37,319
Speaker 8: I music to aur ears, we definitely think that that

1102
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 8: is what we need, right, I mean, to try to

1103
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,919
Speaker 8: get out of the position we're in. And then going

1104
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 8: back to Schefter, I've interviewed him. He doesn't give opinions correct.

1105
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 8: So if he says something like he's not doing that.

1106
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 12: What he thinks he's doing, he's he's telling you what

1107
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 12: he is here. Yes, and the man's got a pretty

1108
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 12: darn good track record.

1109
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,320
Speaker 8: I would say indeed he does. All right, here you

1110
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 8: are in Indie. Yeah, for you, what are you hoping

1111
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 8: to win? You come here? Is what's kind of the

1112
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 8: top things on your agenda.

1113
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 11: Well, it's a piece of the puzzle. It's not the

1114
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:06,680
Speaker 11: biggest piece of the puzzle.

1115
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 12: But I always like to get a sense of where

1116
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 12: I view players coming into it, and then get a

1117
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 12: sense of where I view players coming out of it.

1118
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 11: In the case of the vast majority.

1119
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 12: Of players, I don't know that my opinion will be

1120
00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 12: dramatically influenced by what takes place this weekend. I'm also

1121
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 12: mindful of what the historical data of the draft has

1122
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 12: told us about certain players at certain positions, And I'll

1123
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 12: give you some examples here to kind of paint a

1124
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 12: picture of what I'm discussing. You know, like Will Johnson

1125
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 12: from Will from Michigan cornerback who will not be working

1126
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,919
Speaker 12: out this week, but it's a had You know, there's

1127
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 12: some questions within the scouting community about what the top

1128
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 12: end speed is for Will. I'm not particularly concerned myself,

1129
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 12: but I also know that if this guy runs, if

1130
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 12: you were to run and he ran a four or

1131
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 12: five to one, there's not a lot of recent precedent

1132
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 12: of a four or five to one corner going in

1133
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 12: the first ten picks of the draft. Hetero McMillan from Arizona,

1134
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 12: another guy who I believe is outstanding prospect. Same deal

1135
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,319
Speaker 12: kind of applies, right, there are some questions about how

1136
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 12: exactly fast is his fastest fast and if the answer

1137
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 12: is it's well, it's four or five to one again, people, well,

1138
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 12: Mike Evans went seventh.

1139
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 11: Overall into four or five three.

1140
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 12: I don't generally love to compare guys to me, first

1141
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 12: bout Hall of famers, right like Mike strikes me as

1142
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 12: much more the exception than the rule in that category.

1143
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 12: So generally speaking, if a guy runs, you know, a

1144
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 12: slower time than the positional averager norm, it might influence

1145
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,200
Speaker 12: his stock. And at the very top of the board,

1146
00:55:31,239 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 12: the difference between going eighth and eighteenth or sixth and

1147
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:37,279
Speaker 12: sixteenth is dramatic enough. So those are some of the

1148
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 12: specific examples that I have my eye on. And there

1149
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 12: will always be a couple of guys who maybe the

1150
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 12: testing numbers are incongruent with what you saw on tape,

1151
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 12: and they make you rethink some things for better or worse, right, and.

1152
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 5: You want to kind of that.

1153
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 8: There's a lot of getting confirmation hopefully or sending you

1154
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 8: back to the tape and saying what do we see here?

1155
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,600
Speaker 11: Totally that is a big part of it as well.

1156
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 12: And you know, I hope that I don't have too

1157
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 12: many guys where I'm going back and having to rethink

1158
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 12: my evaluation, because I do want the tape to influence

1159
00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 12: the vast majority of your analysis.

1160
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:07,280
Speaker 11: But it's a part of the puzzle that you can't ignore.

1161
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,520
Speaker 8: By the way, I love Temac to somehow be available

1162
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:12,319
Speaker 8: to the Browns, maybe later in the first move up

1163
00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 8: from thirty three, that would be fantastic. I would certainly

1164
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 8: be all about that. All right, in this draft, what

1165
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 8: are some of.

1166
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,680
Speaker 1: The position we'll talk quarterbacks obviously, sure, What are some

1167
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: of the positions that you really like or feel that

1168
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 1: have good value into Day two and maybe even in

1169
00:56:27,480 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: the day three.

1170
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:29,919
Speaker 12: Yeah, there's going to be three that I'm sure you've

1171
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 12: heard time and again, So I'll just quickly reiterate those

1172
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:33,960
Speaker 12: for maybe.

1173
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 11: Somebody who's not as deeply invested in the draft.

1174
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 12: Running back historically great, I asked Mel Kuiper, who's been

1175
00:56:39,200 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 12: doing this for forty seven years, in a professional capacity

1176
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 12: if it's the deepest he's ever seen, and he thinks

1177
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,359
Speaker 12: that's the answer. So Mel says it cares a lot

1178
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 12: of value. In my book, defensive tackle is outstanding as well,

1179
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 12: and then tight end's very good. What I think is

1180
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:54,959
Speaker 12: particularly I think, but I think the important part about

1181
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 12: this is one thing to tell you it's deep. What

1182
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 12: I think though was unique is it's different.

1183
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 11: Shapes and size. It's like going to I don't know,

1184
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,240
Speaker 11: it's like going to the ice cream parlor.

1185
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:08,360
Speaker 12: Right, Like you've got every different type of running back available, right,

1186
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 12: So you've got some guys. Ashton Genty, I believe is

1187
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:12,920
Speaker 12: in a tier unto himself, at the very top of

1188
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 12: that running back heap. I think from there you might

1189
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 12: see a running back go in the first round late

1190
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:23,000
Speaker 12: Omarion Hampton from North Carolina, maybe Caleb Johnson from Iowa.

1191
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 12: I view those guys in a cut below Ashton Genty.

1192
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,440
Speaker 12: But you get to the third and fourth round and

1193
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 12: it's like, do you want the most prolific pass catcher

1194
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 12: in the FBS last year amongst running backs on the

1195
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 12: Quindallen from Syracuse, Do you want a guy in cam

1196
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 12: Skataboo who had the second most broken tackles last year,

1197
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 12: only behind Ashton Genty who had eighty eight. Skataboo had

1198
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 12: a mere sixty eight. So yeah, that tells you how

1199
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 12: mortal these guys are compared to him. Do you want

1200
00:57:50,080 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 12: players like RJ. Harvey from UCF who is just lightning

1201
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 12: in a bottle?

1202
00:57:53,760 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 5: He dry?

1203
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 12: He to me, reminds me of Bucky Irving from Tampa

1204
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 12: went the fourth round in Oregon last year. You've got

1205
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,480
Speaker 12: guys on day three that have minimal tread on the tires.

1206
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 12: To Corey Krosky Merits, a player played one game at

1207
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 12: Arizona this past season and then because of eligibility issues,

1208
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 12: was not able to play the rest of the year.

1209
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 12: Alabama State to New Mexico. This guy's got all kinds

1210
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 12: of juice, big impressive looking athlete.

1211
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 11: You just keep going, going and going, and you're like,

1212
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 11: oh my god. Like Basil Tootin from from Virginia Tech.

1213
00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 12: This is second great name, which two hundred and sixty

1214
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 12: six yards against Boston College in a single game, most

1215
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 12: by any Virginia Tech running back and school history in

1216
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 12: a single game. Like you've got all different levels of that.

1217
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 12: Those are just like random ones that I thought of

1218
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 12: on Day three. So you've got that same thing for

1219
00:58:37,480 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 12: the defensive tackle position. You know, I believe Mason Graham belongs,

1220
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 12: truthfully in the conversation of that top tier of players

1221
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:45,680
Speaker 12: in this class. I would view it as really a

1222
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 12: four man tier at the very top and probably like

1223
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 12: a half line of delineation, Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, and

1224
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 12: then Ashton Genty and Mason Graham. He's outstanding, but it

1225
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 12: just keeps going and going and going.

1226
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 8: So you did not say aquarterback in those top four.

1227
00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 8: I think mel has the quarterbacks. I think or four

1228
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 8: and five.

1229
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:04,880
Speaker 4: Three.

1230
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's very hot, right, yes, yep, where are you

1231
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 5: with these quarterbacks?

1232
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 12: So I'm a little bit less optimistic, but I also

1233
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 12: understand that both of them are going to go higher

1234
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 12: in the draft than where I have them graded.

1235
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 11: I would in a vacuum.

1236
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 12: I have a higher grade on cam Ward I believe

1237
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 12: he has. I've been using this term often in describing him,

1238
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:24,880
Speaker 12: but I call it second reaction plays. It's when things

1239
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 12: don't go well, to know an opportunity, do you have

1240
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 12: a change up that can maybe turn a negative into

1241
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 12: a positive. He's not this exceedingly dynamic athlete like Jaden

1242
00:59:34,280 --> 00:59:36,320
Speaker 12: Daniels or Caleb May or Drake May at the top

1243
00:59:36,360 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 12: of the.

1244
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 11: Board last year.

1245
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 12: He's a very good athlete, though he's not not going

1246
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 12: to be a statue in the pocket. He's a better

1247
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 12: athlete than Chador Sanders Chado, I think is a more accurate,

1248
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,560
Speaker 12: better pocket passer. Cam has stronger arms, can throw from

1249
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:52,560
Speaker 12: a lot of different angles. He uh, you know, he

1250
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 12: was part of the reason why I'm in Miami fell

1251
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,959
Speaker 12: behind a lot last year. He had some uncharacteristic early

1252
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 12: mistakes and games, but he also has some serious fourth

1253
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 12: quarter magic. Yet the cow kind of trying to throw

1254
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 12: the ball all the way across the field, like an

1255
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 12: example of a play that I'm sure the minute he

1256
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 12: threw that ball he was like those I think in there.

1257
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:10,959
Speaker 12: But he's got some fourth quarter magic to him as well,

1258
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 12: that he was very much unflappable when the game was

1259
01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 12: on the line, and mine played a ton of close games.

1260
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 12: So there's a lot to like about Cam and Shador

1261
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 12: for that matter. But my grade for each of them is,

1262
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 12: in the case of Cam, it's twelve and sh it's nineteen.

1263
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 12: So we're talking about those guys going in the first

1264
01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:30,160
Speaker 12: maybe five picksh Is.

1265
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 11: It a reach? I don't know. I mean it's the

1266
01:00:31,400 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 11: most important position. And if those guys hit, then who cares.

1267
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 11: We took him two twenty two hundredth like it matted.

1268
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 5: It doesn't matter.

1269
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:42,760
Speaker 12: It doesn't matter, and you need to be on quarterbacks

1270
01:00:42,800 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 12: or else it's not worth taking one in my opinion.

1271
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, and hopefully the Browns they've got a good staff

1272
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 8: in place, obviously with Kevin Stefancy, Tommy Reese, Bill Muskrave

1273
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 8: to kind of nurture this quarterback. You have some of

1274
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 8: the oldie, have some of the new, and then you

1275
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 8: have Kevin. So I think both of them give a

1276
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 8: good opportunity. I almost see Shador kind of in our scheme.

1277
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 8: If we go back to that kind of I would

1278
01:01:00,840 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 8: agree wide zone maybe is a better scheme fit. But

1279
01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 8: to your point earlier, I think Cam is a better

1280
01:01:05,560 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 8: ball of Klay.

1281
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 5: There's more tools.

1282
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 12: Yeah, that's why the end a vacuum part of the

1283
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 12: conversation is important here. And yeah, I mean so if

1284
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 12: you think about the most recent quarterback that Kevin had

1285
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,880
Speaker 12: a lot of sustained success with Kirk Cousins right or more,

1286
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 12: more profiles like Kirk Cousins that he knows camp than

1287
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 12: than camp Ward does.

1288
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 11: Right, She Dore is a better athlete than Kirk.

1289
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,000
Speaker 12: But he's not a this is he's a fine athlete

1290
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 12: by quarterback standards, especially in today's NFL.

1291
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,480
Speaker 5: Yes, he's a pocket passer.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, most as his career progresses him, he is going

1293
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Speaker 8: to have to have win before the ball snapped more

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Speaker 8: often than that.

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Speaker 12: That was probably the thing that I thought was the

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Speaker 12: most interesting in watching Kirk Cousins on Quarterback the Netflix

1297
01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 12: documentary was him talking about how like he feels by

1298
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 12: the time the game begins on Sunday that he has

1299
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 12: emptied the bucket in terms of every possible thing that

1300
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 12: he could do to ensure that before the snap. I

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01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 12: have an idea of what's going to look like after

1302
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Speaker 12: the snap, and you got to be nim, dynamic and

1303
01:02:00,760 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 12: be able to react. But a lot of times, especially

1304
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 12: in that scheme, the way they're downing it up like

1305
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 12: you got a pretty good chance if you just follow orders,

1306
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 12: continue to make a profit by you know, moving the

1307
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 12: football down the field. So for the Browns specifically, if

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Speaker 12: you ask me, like if the scheme is going to

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01:02:17,760 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 12: look like what it did when Kevin first arrived. Yeah,

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01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,800
Speaker 12: I would say shodoor standers looks like a more hand

1311
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 12: in glove fit. That being said, if you have a

1312
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 12: stronger overall opinion of cam Ward like I do, you

1313
01:02:29,800 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 12: have to consider him, especially this high in the draft.

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Speaker 8: What are you hearing in relation to because it felt

1315
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:36,560
Speaker 8: like and now we got a little Abdul Carter news,

1316
01:02:36,560 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 8: But now we're saying it's actually not news, and we'll

1317
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 8: see how it goes. But you know, at least in

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Speaker 8: the conversations I had, it kind of got the sense

1319
01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:46,680
Speaker 8: that Tennessee was not really that interested in taking a quarterback.

1320
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Speaker 8: And if that's the case, if you're the Browns, and

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Speaker 8: let's say you are running the Browns and you are

1322
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Speaker 8: more convicted you would want cam Ward. Do you explore

1323
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 8: going up to number one? Because I remember twenty sixteen,

1324
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Speaker 8: I'm sure you do as well. Titans one Browns, two

1325
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:02,440
Speaker 8: Browns wanted GoF they stayed there, Titans aren't taking the quarterback,

1326
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Speaker 8: and then here come the ram.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, so it's something to consider it, for sure, And

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01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 12: there's really no price to pay that's too steep. If

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01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 12: you get the quarterback that you want to end up

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01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:10,440
Speaker 12: being a good player.

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Speaker 4: As well.

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Speaker 12: I do think though, like if we're talking about a

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01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,320
Speaker 12: and I hate to just use the most obvious example,

1334
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 12: but the you know, the Trey Lance package from a

1335
01:03:19,080 --> 01:03:22,240
Speaker 12: few years ago, where it's two plus the twenty twenty

1336
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 12: six to one plus more like I'd be really weary

1337
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 12: of that, especially given the lack.

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Speaker 11: Of first round picks and browns.

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Speaker 5: I have had, happy to have one, happy to have

1340
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Speaker 5: one here.

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Speaker 12: So I would be you know, I've made the call,

1342
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 12: but I would make sure that it's as close to

1343
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 12: being on your terms as possible.

1344
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 8: I will get you out of here, and that's always

1345
01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 8: a pleasure. Combine about medicals, I want to know where

1346
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:43,880
Speaker 8: we're at here, where we fully recover light.

1347
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 12: I have been given the green light by my surgeon.

1348
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 12: I'm about, let's see, six months post labor. Them tear

1349
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,360
Speaker 12: and I feel great. There are mores where I wake

1350
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 12: up stiff, though, which I'm telling myself it's about the shoulder.

1351
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:00,000
Speaker 12: It might be thirty seven's hitting me hard right now,

1352
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 12: so come on now, age just a number, but not

1353
01:04:04,600 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 12: I feel good. You can't tell.

1354
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:09,919
Speaker 11: But I have been pumping some Adrey Ranast fitted shirt.

1355
01:04:10,080 --> 01:04:10,400
Speaker 5: I like it.

1356
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:12,400
Speaker 11: I just buy tight shirts. It look like I actually

1357
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 11: have some muscle mass ont of me.

1358
01:04:13,640 --> 01:04:15,280
Speaker 5: That is a great secret field. Thanks so much, man

1359
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:15,800
Speaker 5: could have seen me.

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Speaker 3: All Right, there you go. Good stuff with Z and

1361
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:22,120
Speaker 3: Field from over in Indianapolis at the scouting Combine. We've

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01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 3: got another big time restructure in the NFL. As the

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Speaker 3: news is coming fast and furious. We'll get you up

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Speaker 3: we have another restructure. It involves the Dallas Cowboys and

1374
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Speaker 3: Dak Prescott.

1375
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Todd Archer, ESPN's NFL Nation Cowboy Reporter. The Cowboys

1376
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 4: of restructured Dak Prescott's contract, opening up thirty six and

1377
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:28,240
Speaker 4: a half million dollars in cap space per source. It's

1378
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 4: a hell of a restructure. That's now fifty six point

1379
01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 4: six million created in the last two days with the

1380
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 4: CD Lamb move and the Dak Prescott move. So what

1381
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 4: do they up to and what's the endgame?

1382
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 3: Well, they got to get Parsons done, right because they're

1383
01:05:45,280 --> 01:05:45,919
Speaker 3: waiting on that.

1384
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 4: Who are they going, There's no way they're just this

1385
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 4: is just to re sign guys.

1386
01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:56,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, I think there's gonna be a

1387
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 3: lot of receivers in the market. We've seen that already

1388
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 3: with all the buyouts. I wonder if this is up

1389
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 3: to the minute. I'm on over the cap right now

1390
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:10,560
Speaker 3: looking at like cap space around the league. This might

1391
01:06:10,600 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 3: have been at the end of the year. I don't

1392
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 3: know if this is official or not. I mean the

1393
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 3: Patriots by far and away the most. The Patriots one

1394
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty seven million in cap space. The Raiders

1395
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 3: are at ninety five, Cardinals seventy seven, Chargers sixty five,

1396
01:06:22,360 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 3: Comedies sixty four, Viking sixty two, Stealers fifty nine, Cowboys

1397
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,520
Speaker 3: fifty four, So they had a lot of cap space

1398
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:33,520
Speaker 3: kind of going into all of this. So a good cap.

1399
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Speaker 4: Again, like I feel like this is an all in

1400
01:06:39,240 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 4: kind of year for Jirah in company.

1401
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:46,800
Speaker 3: Well, he just tired Brian Schottenheimer. As everyone said, you

1402
01:06:46,840 --> 01:06:50,040
Speaker 3: did what right? So what's the one thing that you

1403
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:53,240
Speaker 3: can do to make that a success? Put the best

1404
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 3: possible team on the field. Now, they've never spent in

1405
01:06:55,880 --> 01:07:00,440
Speaker 3: free agency, just not their style. They acquire players via trade,

1406
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 3: but they've never been a team that's splashed in free agency.

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01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:11,760
Speaker 4: So Over the Cap is saying the Cowboys are now

1408
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 4: have fifty four million in capra.

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Speaker 3: So it looks like Sports Track has a pretty up

1410
01:07:19,400 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 3: to date one because they have New England at one

1411
01:07:22,440 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 3: hundred and thirty and I know Over the Cap had

1412
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 3: them at one twenty four. So this one has New

1413
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:29,560
Speaker 3: England a one hundred and thirty. It's got Dallas at

1414
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 3: fifty six point two, so creating a lot. It's still

1415
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:36,320
Speaker 3: as the Vegas is second by a wide margin ninety five.

1416
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 3: I mean Vegas wants to go after Sam Darnold. They

1417
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 3: could do it, yeah, pretty easily. They could give him

1418
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 3: the contract that he deserves or would certainly cove it.

1419
01:07:46,800 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 3: Bottom end of the cap space world all in negative.

1420
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 3: Right now this won't be the case. But right now

1421
01:07:51,880 --> 01:07:54,600
Speaker 3: New Orleans minus forty six, where at minus twenty two.

1422
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 3: So I don't think this is I don't think any

1423
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 3: of this can be officially up to the date until

1424
01:07:58,160 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 3: the new league year, So you're kind of just waiting

1425
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 3: on that to see what all of it looks like.

1426
01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:05,680
Speaker 3: But you've seen a massive amount of business in the

1427
01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 3: NFL today, obviously, the idea that the Seahawks have already

1428
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 3: released Tyler Lockett, are going to release Tyler Lockett, that

1429
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:19,360
Speaker 3: they are willing to trade and grant the trade request

1430
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 3: of DK Metcalf. You have the restructure, sorry, you have

1431
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 3: the contract extension with Max Crosby that makes him the

1432
01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:28,160
Speaker 3: highest paid non quarterback in the history of the league.

1433
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Speaker 3: You had the Bears acquiring all poor pro guard Joe Tooney.

1434
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,360
Speaker 3: That happened earlier today. The big news here in the state,

1435
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 3: Sam Hubbard fromer Ohio State, Great Cincinnati, Moehler, Great CINCINNTI

1436
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 3: Bengal Great retiring at age twenty nine. Love more on

1437
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Speaker 3: him with Jeff Hobson here momentarily, Christian Kirk being released today,

1438
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:49,519
Speaker 3: Gardner Minshew being released today, Travis Kelce coming back. That

1439
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:52,840
Speaker 3: was kind of got long. I forgot that became I

1440
01:08:52,840 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 3: think everybody knew it was heading in that direction. But

1441
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:59,840
Speaker 3: that's kind of the spot that that happened today as

1442
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 3: well well. So all of these teams trying to get

1443
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 3: locked in to a point where they're good to go

1444
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:08,439
Speaker 3: for next week when legal tampering begins.

1445
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:13,360
Speaker 4: Meanwhile, the viewership numbers continue to just the NFL continues

1446
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:16,679
Speaker 4: to crush in everything. The NFL just put out twenty

1447
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 4: twenty five NFL Scouting Combine viewership most watched combine NFL

1448
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:23,919
Speaker 4: network alone since twenty seventeen.

1449
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:25,559
Speaker 3: Do you have the number by chance?

1450
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 4: And what a Day three Saturday coverage featured QB wide

1451
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:32,200
Speaker 4: receiver running back average four hundred and eighty four thousand

1452
01:09:32,280 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 4: viewers to.

1453
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:34,600
Speaker 3: Watch people do drills.

1454
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:39,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, most watched Day three on record of twenty one percent.

1455
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:42,720
Speaker 4: Day four Sunday coverage featuring the offensive lineup twenty two

1456
01:09:42,800 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 4: percent higha since twenty twenty.

1457
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 3: And that's yeah. Here's the thing that I think will

1458
01:09:48,200 --> 01:09:51,599
Speaker 3: be interesting as we're entering into an era where these

1459
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 3: guys are going to they want compensation for everything they do.

1460
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:57,639
Speaker 3: If you're the NFL, do you say to Arch Manning,

1461
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,600
Speaker 3: will pay you seven million dollars to throw? Oh for

1462
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,200
Speaker 3: two million dollars to throw. Yeah, I mean, I think

1463
01:10:03,240 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 3: that's what because then you could build programming around it.

1464
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 3: Is there even more.

1465
01:10:06,360 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 4: Over the four days of coverage NFL Network, five point

1466
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 4: one million fans watched the combine. That's insane. Yeah, the

1467
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,160
Speaker 4: underwear Olympics five point one million.

1468
01:10:22,400 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and even the guys at the top of it

1469
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 3: didn't even do anything.

1470
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:26,040
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1471
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:28,839
Speaker 3: Me, you're watching mid round quarterbacks, sort of mid round receivers.

1472
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,800
Speaker 3: Travis Hunter didn't do anything. I don't know if the

1473
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 3: McMillan kid did or not, but he's not exactly a

1474
01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:34,639
Speaker 3: household name. I know we've talked about him a lot,

1475
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 3: but not a household name. But Travis Hunter didn't do anything.

1476
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 3: Shouduer didn't throw, Cam didn't throw, did Abdul Carter didn't

1477
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:42,719
Speaker 3: do anything.

1478
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 4: Nope.

1479
01:10:43,320 --> 01:10:45,520
Speaker 3: Like nobody at the top of the draft even participated

1480
01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 3: in it. Correct, So yeah, No, they're operating on a

1481
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:54,800
Speaker 3: different just a totally different stratosphere. So I do think

1482
01:10:54,920 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 3: it does seem to me that the Raiders, it feels

1483
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 3: like the Raiders of the spot for Donald that they're

1484
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,200
Speaker 3: kind of gearing up for it. They signed Alex Kapaa,

1485
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 3: they just resigned Crosby, Like, it's got to be Donald

1486
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:12,840
Speaker 3: or Rogers for them. I suppose Russ could do it too.

1487
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 3: Maybe you do that and then they would sign Lockett.

1488
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,160
Speaker 3: They got to be the landing spot for Lockett.

1489
01:11:17,200 --> 01:11:19,639
Speaker 4: I think today, didn't you say, g Man? Today is

1490
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 4: justin Field's birthday.

1491
01:11:22,920 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 3: It feels like he's gonna end up back in Pittsburgh.

1492
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:25,679
Speaker 3: Is like their starter?

1493
01:11:27,880 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't. I think the Raiders have a couple options.

1494
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 4: They've at least put themselves in position to have a

1495
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:33,200
Speaker 4: few options.

1496
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean they're in a spot where them and

1497
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 3: the Giants kind of got to figure out their way.

1498
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:41,200
Speaker 3: What would be crazy and would be awesome for us

1499
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:45,959
Speaker 3: is if the Giants signed Donald and the Raiders got Rogers,

1500
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 3: and then neither one of them has to go try

1501
01:11:48,200 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 3: to get a quarterback at one and we can just

1502
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 3: sit there too and take the guy we wanted to yeah,

1503
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 3: and take take the best quarterback we want because Tennessee's

1504
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:56,919
Speaker 3: not taking quarterback.

1505
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:57,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

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01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:01,280
Speaker 3: That's very very very well known. So a very very

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01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 3: busy day in the National Football League as we inch

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01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 3: closer to legal tampering beginning on Monday. One of the

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01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:11,760
Speaker 3: teams that has been very very busy is the one

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Speaker 3: straight down seventy one South in Cincinnati. Cincinnati Bengals with

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01:12:15,240 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 3: a monster off season. We continue our AFC off season

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01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 3: previews season reviews in Cincinnati with the Bengals. Jeff Hobson,

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01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:25,200
Speaker 3: Senior writer for Bengals dot Com. We'll join us in

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Speaker 3: a couple of minutes. Listen to Cleveland Browns Daily on

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Speaker 3: Oh Jeff Hobson, Senior writer for Bengals dot Com, I'm

1520
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 3: going to join us here momentarily. I think the Cincinnati

1521
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 3: Bengals have the most interesting offseason in the National Football League.

1522
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:14,240
Speaker 3: I think it's us in them, honestly, on a very

1523
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 3: short list in terms of the way to reshape things.

1524
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:22,519
Speaker 3: Their task is that they have a quarterback who is elite,

1525
01:13:22,600 --> 01:13:26,120
Speaker 3: they have been to the mountaintop, damn near, and they

1526
01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:29,160
Speaker 3: have a bunch of guys who are high premium, high

1527
01:13:29,160 --> 01:13:31,479
Speaker 3: pay guys. They got to get sorted out. So that

1528
01:13:31,600 --> 01:13:35,320
Speaker 3: starts obviously right out in the front, and that starts

1529
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:38,479
Speaker 3: with Jamar Chase, that's Trey Hendrickson, and that's been T

1530
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 3: Higgins and everything they're doing. They have the retirement of

1531
01:13:41,720 --> 01:13:44,840
Speaker 3: Sam Hubbard, They've got the release of Alex Kappa, and

1532
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,880
Speaker 3: so they're moving in a direction to create more. And

1533
01:13:47,960 --> 01:13:49,880
Speaker 3: every time you talk to anybody down there, they say, hey,

1534
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,680
Speaker 3: we want to keep them all. It's a lot of

1535
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 3: money on four players. But that's what you keep hearing

1536
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 3: from anybody down there.

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01:13:57,240 --> 01:14:00,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they're putting all the eggs in the basket.

1538
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 4: Burrow wants all of his weapons, and now we gotta

1539
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:06,679
Speaker 4: wait and see if they can make all that work.

1540
01:14:07,080 --> 01:14:09,559
Speaker 4: I mean, t Higgins franchised again. I'm sure he's not

1541
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 4: pleased about that.

1542
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 3: But no, I'm probably not.

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01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:18,519
Speaker 4: I just don't know how you can. I don't know

1544
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:20,679
Speaker 4: how you can pay all these guys what they're gonna want.

1545
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:23,679
Speaker 4: And again, you should have taken care of Jamar Chase

1546
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:24,679
Speaker 4: last year.

1547
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, he felt like he thought they were

1548
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,040
Speaker 3: going to do that and then they they didn't. So

1549
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 3: that's that's kind of the thing that you're waiting on there. Look,

1550
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 3: nobody if they would have got in, nobody wanted to

1551
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 3: play them. Yeah, the same thing as it always is

1552
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 3: with them, where they just started slow, and when you

1553
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 3: start slow, it's really hard to dig out of that hole.

1554
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 3: And they just a way too big of a hole.

1555
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:48,479
Speaker 3: It started in Week one with the loss New England.

1556
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,599
Speaker 3: They lost it home to New England, who really should

1557
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:53,519
Speaker 3: have had the number one pick in the draft. They

1558
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 3: lost it home to them, sixteen to ten in Week one.

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01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 4: I was gonna say it was it was a low

1560
01:14:57,320 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 4: scoring like, couldn't get anything done. I don't I'll never

1561
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:03,360
Speaker 4: understand that.

1562
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 3: Burrow completed almost seventy one percent of his passes, forty

1563
01:15:06,520 --> 01:15:10,200
Speaker 3: three touchdowns, just nine picks four nine hundred and eighteen yards.

1564
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:12,639
Speaker 3: He led the NFL in passing touchdowns, led the NFL

1565
01:15:12,680 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 3: in passing yards. Jamar Chase won the Triple Crown one

1566
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 3: hundred and twenty seven receptions, one thousand and seven eight

1567
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,799
Speaker 3: and seventeen touchdowns. They had the league leader in sacks

1568
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:25,760
Speaker 3: in Trey Hendrickson, and yet somehow they missed the postseason.

1569
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:28,799
Speaker 4: That's what I was just going. I'm like, you arguably

1570
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:31,559
Speaker 4: had the Defensive Player of the Year, the MVP if

1571
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 4: they make the playoffs, and the number one overall offensive player.

1572
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:40,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, all of those things. They fire lou Anroumo, who

1573
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,280
Speaker 3: not sure he deserved that. At no point I think

1574
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:46,760
Speaker 3: that felt that was on him. After six years, he

1575
01:15:46,920 --> 01:15:49,120
Speaker 3: was on a short list for head coaching jobs after

1576
01:15:49,120 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 3: they made it all the way to the Super Bowl,

1577
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:52,280
Speaker 3: but they did finish twenty fifth in the league in

1578
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,760
Speaker 3: total defense, twenty fifth in scoring defense. He has been

1579
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 3: replaced by former Notre Dame defensive coordinator Al Golden. So

1580
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 3: that's where they stand from a coaching standpoint heading into

1581
01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,200
Speaker 3: this offseason. But again, this is all about Chase, this

1582
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:06,519
Speaker 3: is all about Higgins, it's all about Hendrickson, and that's

1583
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:08,960
Speaker 3: that's kind of where they are at this point.

1584
01:16:10,680 --> 01:16:14,759
Speaker 4: But you got Burrow, you have Burrow, But is Burrow

1585
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 4: happy because everything that we saw once the season ended,

1586
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:22,800
Speaker 4: you saw a very unhappy Joe Burrow, Like, tell anybody.

1587
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:26,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell anybody that was willing to have him on. Yeah,

1588
01:16:27,080 --> 01:16:29,120
Speaker 3: you know that there's no reason they can't keep all

1589
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:31,920
Speaker 3: of them. And they reference the Philadelphia that Philadelphia keeps

1590
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 3: all their guys, So that's obviously we were his intent.

1591
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:38,559
Speaker 4: Are we sure that that's true? By the way, does

1592
01:16:38,600 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 4: Philadelphia really keep all their guys?

1593
01:16:40,360 --> 01:16:43,320
Speaker 3: I think what he's referring to is they kept aj

1594
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:46,759
Speaker 3: Brown and DeVonta Smith, and so they had two receivers

1595
01:16:46,760 --> 01:16:49,120
Speaker 3: making over twenty five million a year. But they're also

1596
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:53,320
Speaker 3: not having a quarterback make what Joe makes. So that's

1597
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 3: the tricky part of it. keV, did you say we

1598
01:16:55,640 --> 01:16:56,120
Speaker 3: have Jeff?

1599
01:16:56,680 --> 01:16:57,200
Speaker 4: Yes, we do.

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01:16:57,479 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 3: Okay, perfect, Let's head on on the twist t hotline.

1601
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,080
Speaker 3: Percent about Twisty Hard. I see official sponsor of your

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Speaker 3: Cleveland Browns, keep a twisted Cleveland. He's our good buddy,

1603
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 3: Jeff Hobson. He's a senior writer for Bengals dot com

1604
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:10,519
Speaker 3: and he joins us there. Let's start with Sam Hubbard.

1605
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:15,080
Speaker 3: Busy day down there for you, the retirement of Sam Hubbard.

1606
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:18,719
Speaker 3: What is your favorite Sam Hubbard's story?

1607
01:17:19,200 --> 01:17:23,759
Speaker 13: Sorry about that, guys, but thank you for for getting

1608
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 13: me in here. I appreciate it. Always going to be

1609
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 13: with the good folks in Cleveland. I think it's just

1610
01:17:28,600 --> 01:17:30,840
Speaker 13: I think I just heard my just I just heard

1611
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:34,240
Speaker 13: my favorite Sam Hubbard's story. Talking to Marvin Lewis, his

1612
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:38,360
Speaker 13: first coach in Cincinnati, and he was with Urban Meyer

1613
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,640
Speaker 13: right Marvin was with Irban Meyer about the time that

1614
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 13: Sam committed to Ohio State and Sam called him and

1615
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:49,519
Speaker 13: Erban said, hey, you've committed to the to the Ohio State.

1616
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 13: I'm gonna I'm gonna put you on with the guy

1617
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 13: who's going to be your next coach. And it actually

1618
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:58,519
Speaker 13: turned out that said he ended up in his hometown

1619
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:03,680
Speaker 13: and uh really the guy, Uh yeah, go.

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01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 3: Ahead, that's something so urban. Had Marvin in the room.

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01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,600
Speaker 13: Yeah, he was just uh yeah, and Sam calls and

1622
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:14,439
Speaker 13: I don't know, but yeah, then I.

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01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:16,320
Speaker 3: Not heard that story, Jeff, that's fascinating.

1624
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:19,120
Speaker 13: The script is, the script is just you can't make

1625
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 13: the stuff up with Sam, you know. And uh, he

1626
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 13: was really uh really when we got him in the

1627
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:30,120
Speaker 13: third round in twenty eighteen, really good fit because he's

1628
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 13: the guy that really fit the division. You know, we

1629
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 13: probably couldn't stand to get a couple more guys like

1630
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,639
Speaker 13: him because he was a kind of a versatile guy,

1631
01:18:39,160 --> 01:18:41,679
Speaker 13: could play, you know, could play a little inside earlier

1632
01:18:41,680 --> 01:18:44,599
Speaker 13: in his career. But you know, he retires, guys, he's

1633
01:18:44,640 --> 01:18:47,880
Speaker 13: he retires. According to Pro Football Reference, he's got the

1634
01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:51,560
Speaker 13: most combined tackles of a defensive end of the league's

1635
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 13: twenty eighteen and you know, you know, he's just a

1636
01:18:56,000 --> 01:19:00,720
Speaker 13: reliable guy. Rugged was great in the playoff runs and

1637
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,599
Speaker 13: just you know, get get really you know, he get

1638
01:19:04,800 --> 01:19:07,680
Speaker 13: get beat up in the last couple of years and

1639
01:19:07,720 --> 01:19:08,400
Speaker 13: he made the call.

1640
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, and his final play is a touchdown catch from

1641
01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:15,679
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, which is pretty wild. Both.

1642
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:18,759
Speaker 13: No, you were buddies, you know, and they were buddies

1643
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:21,679
Speaker 13: at Ohio State. They were they were close friends before

1644
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 13: go get drafted here.

1645
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:27,000
Speaker 3: Oh no, yeah, they go way way back when you

1646
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 3: think of those two all right, listening to Duke over

1647
01:19:30,360 --> 01:19:34,400
Speaker 3: at the scouting combine and listening to Joe during the season,

1648
01:19:34,439 --> 01:19:36,599
Speaker 3: all off season. We want to bring them all back.

1649
01:19:36,600 --> 01:19:39,679
Speaker 3: We want to keep the band together. Give me kind

1650
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 3: of the off season checklist, uh for the Bengals the

1651
01:19:43,320 --> 01:19:46,280
Speaker 3: front office and the likelihood of being able to keep

1652
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 3: Chase Higgins and Hendrickson.

1653
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean it's a great question. It's the question

1654
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 13: of the off season. I mean clearly, you know, when

1655
01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:57,480
Speaker 13: Duke said this up there, you know, Jamaz the priority,

1656
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 13: you know, and then one I just saw Max Crosse.

1657
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 13: He went a Max class. You just get what three.

1658
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 3: Three ninety some guaranteed thirty six something like that.

1659
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:11,960
Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean you know, I mean, you

1660
01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:16,799
Speaker 13: get these three guys, first time in history you got

1661
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 13: the leading passer, the leading receiver, and the leading sac

1662
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 13: are on the same team. So, you know, I think

1663
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 13: it's uh. I think it's new territory for everybody. So

1664
01:20:27,080 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 13: but I think, you know, Jamaz the you know, they

1665
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 13: like to, like I said, they'd like to get all three.

1666
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:33,479
Speaker 13: They somehow like to work it out. But I think

1667
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:36,880
Speaker 13: the priority is Jama and then after that, you know,

1668
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:37,519
Speaker 13: I don't.

1669
01:20:37,280 --> 01:20:41,120
Speaker 3: Know what role, if any Jeff will Joe play in

1670
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:41,519
Speaker 3: all of this.

1671
01:20:43,600 --> 01:20:46,320
Speaker 13: I think he's played a significant role. I think he's uh,

1672
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 13: you know. I think he's always had a pretty he said,

1673
01:20:49,360 --> 01:20:53,640
Speaker 13: a very open you know dialogue with Zach, you know,

1674
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 13: and I think he's had an open dialogue with Duke

1675
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 13: as well. I think, you know, when you sign a

1676
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:01,519
Speaker 13: contract like Joe, did you know You're it's it's you know,

1677
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 13: you're more than that, you know, you're You're kind of

1678
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 13: a Pietn at that point, you know. And I think

1679
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:10,120
Speaker 13: that's how the Bengals viewed. And I think Joe's uh,

1680
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:16,640
Speaker 13: you know, Joe's uh. I think probably uh in contact

1681
01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 13: with folks, and I think, you know, like I said,

1682
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:22,240
Speaker 13: he and Zach have a really good open relationship. So

1683
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 13: I think it's a you know, I think Joe's made

1684
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 13: his feelings known.

1685
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 3: And and certainly the season that Jamar Chase had is

1686
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:32,719
Speaker 3: an all timer. I mean, he won the triple Crown.

1687
01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:36,919
Speaker 3: We have heard reporting that he wants to reset markets

1688
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 3: and all of that stuff. Him and Tea have the

1689
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 3: same agent. Is that something that is there anything we

1690
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 3: can read into at all?

1691
01:21:43,520 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 5: Now?

1692
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:47,320
Speaker 13: Jeff No, I don't you know, I don't think so.

1693
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 13: I don't think, uh, you know, I I you know,

1694
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:54,439
Speaker 13: I probably it probably helps because I think probably one

1695
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:56,559
Speaker 13: deal probably going to affect the other. Right, But I mean,

1696
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,559
Speaker 13: like I said, I think jama is the priority. They

1697
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:02,120
Speaker 13: want to get both of them done, and I think,

1698
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:04,560
Speaker 13: you know, if you get that guys in the room

1699
01:22:05,160 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 13: probably helps, I would say, would certainly cut down on

1700
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 13: a number of calls you're going to make.

1701
01:22:11,960 --> 01:22:15,880
Speaker 3: That's true by Fred. All right, So you've got those

1702
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,559
Speaker 3: Those are the big ticket items. One thing that we

1703
01:22:18,640 --> 01:22:20,360
Speaker 3: know if you are going to go all in, if

1704
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 3: you are going to pay for all three of them,

1705
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,200
Speaker 3: in addition to paying for Burrow and everything else you're doing,

1706
01:22:25,200 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 3: then you need some guys who you've drafted to step

1707
01:22:28,160 --> 01:22:30,560
Speaker 3: up in a big way because you can't have expenses

1708
01:22:30,600 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 3: in other places to have this all on work under

1709
01:22:32,920 --> 01:22:35,880
Speaker 3: the cap. Mike Brown famously talks about if a piece

1710
01:22:35,880 --> 01:22:37,599
Speaker 3: of pie, and if you take one big piece out,

1711
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:39,040
Speaker 3: there's less left for everybody else.

1712
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:40,479
Speaker 5: So who do you like?

1713
01:22:40,520 --> 01:22:44,360
Speaker 3: Who are young guys in the building who need to

1714
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 3: elevate themselves this off season, provided you're able to keep

1715
01:22:48,439 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 3: all of these guys in house.

1716
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 13: Yeah, and I should say when they said priorities, Jamar

1717
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 13: and they also said Hendrickson priority, Higga's a priority. They

1718
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:02,080
Speaker 13: also said Mike Geski. So I think all four guys

1719
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 13: they're trying to get done right. They're trying to clear

1720
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 13: the decks. But beyond that, the young guys that got

1721
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 13: to step up. Miles Murphy the first pick in the

1722
01:23:10,880 --> 01:23:13,799
Speaker 13: twenty twenty three UH draft for them, the pass rusher

1723
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 13: for clubs and you know didn't have a sack last year.

1724
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:18,760
Speaker 13: He's gonna have to He's gonna have to come on.

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01:23:19,360 --> 01:23:19,479
Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 13: I think you know, the linebackers are gonna have to

1727
01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:27,040
Speaker 13: be I think they'll be revived under Al Golden. But

1728
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 13: some of these young guys are talking about to the

1729
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 13: two defensive tackles, they get Murphy on the edge. The

1730
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:34,599
Speaker 13: two defensive tackles they took in the second or third

1731
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 13: rounds last year, Chris jack and his junior and particularly

1732
01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 13: Jackson played well, you know, they played well. They're gonna

1733
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:44,240
Speaker 13: have to get better. Uh the uh you know, they're

1734
01:23:44,280 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 13: gonna have to get uh uh to keep keep ascending

1735
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 13: has to be Jordan's battle. It's safety and he did.

1736
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:54,720
Speaker 13: They like what he did in the last half of

1737
01:23:54,760 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 13: the year after varm Bell got pinched. But I think

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01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:00,000
Speaker 13: those are four guys that should probably get a uh

1739
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 13: circle and I you know, I think offensively, you know,

1740
01:24:03,120 --> 01:24:05,400
Speaker 13: obviously they got to get something out of Jermaine Burton,

1741
01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:10,200
Speaker 13: you know, the third round pick from last year who

1742
01:24:10,280 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 13: only had four catches. You know, he's gonna have to

1743
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:16,559
Speaker 13: you know, he's gonna have to do something this year,

1744
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:20,400
Speaker 13: you know, uh. And I think that's that's probably you know,

1745
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:23,240
Speaker 13: the private in need probably a I think what's that

1746
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 13: Chase Brown Zach Moss is kind of a question mark.

1747
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 13: Chase Brown showed that he could carry the load of

1748
01:24:28,880 --> 01:24:31,599
Speaker 13: running back. But I wouldn't be surprised to see them

1749
01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 13: try to pick up something there to compliment.

1750
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 3: Chase Jeff What do you anticipate what's kind of your

1751
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 3: lean on what they'll do in the draft. Obviously free

1752
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 3: agency condict that'll dictate that a little bit. But what's

1753
01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:43,439
Speaker 3: kind of your lean.

1754
01:24:43,360 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 13: Now, Yeah, well, I think it would think a guy.

1755
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:49,400
Speaker 13: I think the young guys who have done well also,

1756
01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:52,960
Speaker 13: by the way, Andray Joshavis. I think there's the receiver.

1757
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,559
Speaker 13: I think is that they feel like he is, you know,

1758
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 13: he's good enough to be a number three, you know,

1759
01:24:57,280 --> 01:25:00,400
Speaker 13: a really good solid number three first Brown know it's

1760
01:25:00,439 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 13: it's gonna be. It's gonna be on the defensive line

1761
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,559
Speaker 13: maybe right if you're just looking at it. Uh, you know,

1762
01:25:04,600 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 13: you get Sam retiring and uh, you know, you got

1763
01:25:09,080 --> 01:25:11,519
Speaker 13: b J. Hills, a free agents who's a you know,

1764
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,280
Speaker 13: in the starting defensive tackle, uh for the last four years,

1765
01:25:16,400 --> 01:25:18,920
Speaker 13: and so I think, you know, probably I would think

1766
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 13: death at the edge and it tackle is still trying

1767
01:25:21,840 --> 01:25:24,640
Speaker 13: to find that kind of still trying to replace that

1768
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 13: DJ Reader type big man that you know you can't move.

1769
01:25:28,800 --> 01:25:31,479
Speaker 13: So you got to get those guys early. So I'm thinking,

1770
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 13: you know, I'm thinking of the trenches. You know, I

1771
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 13: think they're gonna be looking at uh. Uh. They like

1772
01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:37,719
Speaker 13: to think you know, the earlier the pick, the bigger

1773
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 13: they go. Usually I think they feel like the big people,

1774
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:43,519
Speaker 13: you know, you got to get them early, so you know,

1775
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:45,719
Speaker 13: maybe they get maybe they go early for a guid

1776
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,240
Speaker 13: or something like that. I know they uh want to

1777
01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 13: you know, they release galax Kappa last week. Uh, but

1778
01:25:52,520 --> 01:25:54,000
Speaker 13: I think that's gonna be a you know, they got

1779
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:56,680
Speaker 13: Cody Ford's a free agents. They'd like to resign him, but.

1780
01:25:57,680 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 4: You know that.

1781
01:25:58,160 --> 01:26:00,200
Speaker 13: I think I think the guard. I think a guy

1782
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:03,080
Speaker 13: who's in play at some point. But I'm thinking the trenches,

1783
01:26:03,120 --> 01:26:05,600
Speaker 13: you know, I think that defensive front. It is. I

1784
01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 13: mean it is after all the AFC.

1785
01:26:07,040 --> 01:26:10,040
Speaker 3: North Jeff, do you think they'll have all of this?

1786
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:11,200
Speaker 3: I'll get you out of here on this one. My

1787
01:26:11,240 --> 01:26:13,080
Speaker 3: friend would appreciate your time greatly. Do you do you

1788
01:26:13,080 --> 01:26:18,680
Speaker 3: think they'll have Chase Higgins Hendrickson sorted out by the draft?

1789
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:21,880
Speaker 13: I do, And I think they'll be Bengals, and I

1790
01:26:21,880 --> 01:26:23,960
Speaker 13: think they'll be I think I think it's gonna work out.

1791
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:26,880
Speaker 13: I I you know, maybe I'm a house guy. I'm

1792
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 13: a house man maybe, but you know, hey, it's like

1793
01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:33,320
Speaker 13: Raffael Devers and and and Brigman in Boston it will

1794
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 13: it will work out. You know, you get all these

1795
01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:40,640
Speaker 13: guys somehow, somehow, somehow, somehow, it will work out. I mean,

1796
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:42,800
Speaker 13: you know, I keep think of what Zach Taylor said,

1797
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 13: you know, Champagne problems. You know, I mean, look at

1798
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 13: all these great players you're trying to keep, you know,

1799
01:26:48,160 --> 01:26:50,679
Speaker 13: I mean, at uh, at some point you're gonna tip

1800
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 13: your hat off to him and say, did a hell

1801
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:56,720
Speaker 13: of a job. Uh, you know, yeah, it's it's it's uh,

1802
01:26:56,920 --> 01:26:59,759
Speaker 13: it's so tough nowadays. It's tough to find good talent

1803
01:27:00,400 --> 01:27:02,240
Speaker 13: and to cultivate it and then and then you got

1804
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 13: to keep it. So I think, but I think they

1805
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 13: find the way.

1806
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,000
Speaker 3: You're the best, buddy. Thanks for your time, greatly appreciate it.

1807
01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:11,920
Speaker 13: Thank you guys. Sorry for the delay, Thank.

1808
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:14,160
Speaker 3: You very much, No problem at all. That's Jeff Hobson,

1809
01:27:14,200 --> 01:27:16,400
Speaker 3: senior writer at Bengals dot Com. He joined the program

1810
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:18,960
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Speaker 3: It's just remarkable day. This is just the ESPN NFL

1818
01:27:59,720 --> 01:28:03,240
Speaker 3: head lines page. Raiders Crosby reach one hundred and six

1819
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 3: point five million dollar extension, highest paid non quarterback in

1820
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:08,800
Speaker 3: the history of the league. Seahawks star wide receiver dk

1821
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 3: Metcalf requests the trade. Seahawks are going to honor that

1822
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 3: the Cowboys reworked Dak Prescott Steele added thirty six point

1823
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:18,599
Speaker 3: six million to their cap. The Seahawks releasing franchise great

1824
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:21,679
Speaker 3: wide receiver Tyler Lockett. The Bears training for All Pro

1825
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:27,120
Speaker 3: guard John Tooney, longtime Bengals defensive end of this unbelievable. Yeah,

1826
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:29,799
Speaker 3: Hubbard retiring at the age of twenty nine. Sam Hubbard

1827
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:33,479
Speaker 3: sourced the Jaguars plan to release veteran wide receiver Christian

1828
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:37,120
Speaker 3: Kirk source Raiders expect to release quarterback Gardner Minshew.

1829
01:28:37,200 --> 01:28:39,200
Speaker 4: And just in this today, just in the last couple

1830
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 4: of minutes, Eagles and linebacker Zach Bond a new three year,

1831
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 4: fifty one million dollar deal with thirty four million guaranteed.

1832
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:48,440
Speaker 3: I thought this was going to come out of the combine.

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01:28:49,720 --> 01:28:51,680
Speaker 4: You could just I mean, what's free agency going to

1834
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:53,080
Speaker 4: be by the time we get to next nothing.

1835
01:28:53,120 --> 01:28:54,960
Speaker 3: I mean that's been happening though, right, I mean in

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01:28:55,000 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 3: recent years, like the deals are done. I mean, we're

1837
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 3: not even illegal tampering and all this stuff is happening.

1838
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:05,160
Speaker 3: So Monday is going to be crazy. We're still not

1839
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 3: Today's the first Friday. We're still not even done with.

1840
01:29:07,520 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 3: We're halfway home on this week. Get the rest of today.

1841
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 3: There's gonna be a lot of business in this league

1842
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:14,880
Speaker 3: done in the next in the next few days, for sure.

1843
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's insane. What's already happened. The new year starts

1844
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:25,960
Speaker 4: one week from today at four o'clock. Yeah, I you

1845
01:29:26,040 --> 01:29:29,240
Speaker 4: got guys either retiring. By the way, there's another story

1846
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 4: that's worth watching here, like what's Joel but Tonio going

1847
01:29:33,439 --> 01:29:33,640
Speaker 4: to do.

1848
01:29:36,040 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 3: I was gonna say, it's all quiet on our front too,

1849
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 3: So that's the other.

1850
01:29:41,400 --> 01:29:44,479
Speaker 4: I know Joel wanted to have a decision made, and

1851
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 4: I think the team would like to have a decision

1852
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 4: before free agency starts. Yeah, well that only leaves a

1853
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:51,720
Speaker 4: couple of days here.

1854
01:29:52,240 --> 01:29:54,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's starting to a lot of people want to

1855
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 3: know if you had big Fat Tuesday plans yesterday.

1856
01:29:57,200 --> 01:30:00,519
Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't like back in the day. Absolutely,

1857
01:30:01,080 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 4: it was a barred down town called fat Fish Blue.

1858
01:30:03,960 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 4: We used to broadcast from it. It was a New Orleans

1859
01:30:06,360 --> 01:30:11,240
Speaker 4: style bar. Yeah yeah, oh my god, it'd be hung

1860
01:30:11,280 --> 01:30:12,280
Speaker 4: over till Thursday.

1861
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 3: But yeah no, yeah, so Fat Tuesday and then today's

1862
01:30:16,479 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 3: ash Wednesday. So my wife was like, you gotta go

1863
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:23,000
Speaker 3: get what are they Pushki's or whatever they are, Pook's.

1864
01:30:23,320 --> 01:30:26,840
Speaker 3: I gotta go get Poochk's. So you know, we had

1865
01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:29,840
Speaker 3: to go. I had to go track those down last night.

1866
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 3: But I think you're suppsed to eat him at breakfast,

1867
01:30:31,400 --> 01:30:32,960
Speaker 3: but the boys ended up eating him for dessert.

1868
01:30:32,960 --> 01:30:33,280
Speaker 4: Who knows.

1869
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:35,400
Speaker 3: It's fine. And king cake is the thing that is

1870
01:30:35,800 --> 01:30:38,599
Speaker 3: the New Orleans, especially where you get that baby that's

1871
01:30:38,640 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 3: in there. That cake's not that great, to be honest,

1872
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:41,360
Speaker 3: it's not.

1873
01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:43,679
Speaker 4: It's a weird cake too.

1874
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:47,120
Speaker 7: It is mate jumbalaya though the family recipe yesterday, guys,

1875
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:47,680
Speaker 7: I'm Mardi Gras.

1876
01:30:48,200 --> 01:30:51,200
Speaker 3: Are you Are you a you a creole? You from that?

1877
01:30:51,320 --> 01:30:52,639
Speaker 3: You got ties to that neck of the words.

1878
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:55,759
Speaker 7: Yeah, my mom's side, her, her mom, my late grandmother

1879
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:58,040
Speaker 7: was from that area from New Orleans and then we

1880
01:30:58,120 --> 01:30:59,719
Speaker 7: used to take trips down there, and I just haven't

1881
01:30:59,720 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 7: been since I've been able to cognitively take in vacations.

1882
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:07,680
Speaker 3: Closest food up here I've had to that is Russo's.

1883
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:12,360
Speaker 3: It's Peninsula Boston Heights area. That's the closest I've had

1884
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:14,200
Speaker 3: to that. The guy, one of the guys who started

1885
01:31:14,280 --> 01:31:16,320
Speaker 3: was a Commander's palace, So that's the closest I've had

1886
01:31:16,360 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 3: to that. New Orleans authentic style. So enjoy your ash Wednesday,

1887
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:23,160
Speaker 3: your Fat Tuesday, which was yesterday. The next levels coming

1888
01:31:23,240 --> 01:31:25,599
Speaker 3: up next. Thanks for listeningbody Clevelan Ron Daily, eight fifty

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