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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome home, y'all, this is our first episode of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. It's episode sixty one, and this is
Speaker 1: where you get all things politics, all things culture, all
Speaker 1: things us, lots of disagreement, but lots of fun. Where
Speaker 1: we give you all the things you need to do
Speaker 1: to argue with your family at home. So yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: what are we talking about today, y'all?
Speaker 3: Hell me college?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 4: Why? And what else?
Speaker 3: Because you out of uniform?
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I'm out of uniformer. You guys out
Speaker 4: of your worm We're out of uniform. Well, well, Andrew.
Speaker 1: Kind of looked like you were in a Make America
Speaker 1: Great Again hat with my vision.
Speaker 3: Wonderful?
Speaker 4: That not wonderful.
Speaker 3: This is my college of choice, wonderful.
Speaker 4: Mind you Andrew?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 4: What'd you guy? Today? What were we talking about?
Speaker 1: Under this administration? That might be the only HBCU y'all
Speaker 1: end up with.
Speaker 3: In fill in College, but the fictional.
Speaker 1: I digress, Yes, the only one remaining. You know.
Speaker 4: The thing that I want to talk about today is Mark.
Speaker 3: Happy New Year.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Happy New Year?
Speaker 1: You guys? So damn well, I feel like you're rude
Speaker 1: because I started off by saying, this was our first
Speaker 1: episode of twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: There is a difference between our first episode of twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five.
Speaker 1: Happy New Year? Andrew how many? How many days are
Speaker 1: we going to say Happy New Year?
Speaker 3: Uh? We debated this. I thought it was appropriate to say,
Speaker 3: you know, up untilout the middle of the month. Actually, Tiffany,
Speaker 3: you and I talked about it, and you said, like
Speaker 3: the first.
Speaker 1: Week, Yeah, well, what about if we have happy news?
Speaker 1: That may take us out of the happy New Year.
Speaker 1: But it's somewhere, someplace where we need the native Lampard
Speaker 1: family to weigh in. We were nominated for an NAACP
Speaker 1: Image Award Outstanding Podcast Series, and I think that it
Speaker 1: is time for us to honor that. We got to
Speaker 1: tell the people to go vote at NAACP Image Awards
Speaker 1: dot net and also someplace where there's more of an
Speaker 1: electoral college system is with iHeart. We were nominated for
Speaker 1: Best Political Podcasts. Folks will get to vote there, but
Speaker 1: we are excited to be nominated for both of those.
Speaker 3: So yeah, awesome, awesome, awesome, thanks for bringing that energy.
Speaker 4: But we do still have stuff to talk about.
Speaker 1: So what I want to talk about was this was mine.
Speaker 1: Mark Zuckerberg did a whole State of the Union speech
Speaker 1: yesterday for about five minutes talking to us about why
Speaker 1: there were no longer going to be fact checks or
Speaker 1: fact checkers on the Meta platform. So I want to
Speaker 1: get into that because many of you know that you
Speaker 1: have Facebook and Instagram and the Two Hour One. They
Speaker 1: are owned by Meta, which y'all.
Speaker 4: Got, okay, So I want to talk about So I've
Speaker 4: heard from a lot of you guys over the holidays
Speaker 4: and even in the new year, that you're just exhausted,
Speaker 4: you're not tuning in, you don't want to hear you know,
Speaker 4: what this administration is up to. And so it led
Speaker 4: me to think about isolation and the fact that many
Speaker 4: of us are isolated, even outside of politics, isolated in
Speaker 4: our own lives, and so what that means when it
Speaker 4: comes to our democracy. And I'll get into some of
Speaker 4: the data when we get into the discussion, but looking for.
Speaker 3: I love it, and I think I'm ready how many
Speaker 3: of y'all, how many of y'all knew that Ron DeSantis
Speaker 3: has single handedly removed at least two democratically elected officials
Speaker 3: in Florida who were district attorneys in the state of Florida,
Speaker 3: one of which, by the way, and that's the one
Speaker 3: I want to talk about. Monique Worel, who is down
Speaker 3: here in Florida, got removed by Ron de Santis, got
Speaker 3: re elected in twenty twenty four, and now it's potentially
Speaker 3: threatened again with removal by this same dictator. Want to
Speaker 3: be let's get.
Speaker 1: In it, okay, And well, speaking of let's get in it,
Speaker 1: I just want to do a quick focus group poll
Speaker 1: to transition us. How many of you all believe, and
Speaker 1: this is the focus group here in Native Lampid, Tiff and Andrew,
Speaker 1: how many of you all believe that if Joe Biden
Speaker 1: would have stayed in the election, he would have won.
Speaker 1: Please raise your hands? Okay, Well, Joe Biden is an
Speaker 1: audience of one, and that's what he said. And I
Speaker 1: think that's all we've got to say about that.
Speaker 4: So what else we getting into.
Speaker 3: No, but that's a great place to hear from the
Speaker 3: listeners too. I am curious because it was a fierce fight, y'all.
Speaker 3: Remember we had just exploded about it two days before
Speaker 3: the whole thing blew up and we had a whole
Speaker 3: new nominee. So I'm curious to know if there are
Speaker 3: those of you all who are holdouts, are like man,
Speaker 3: we should have left that man alone and we can
Speaker 3: still be empowered.
Speaker 1: For some reason, I feel like that's not our audience.
Speaker 1: But we shall see right, Well.
Speaker 4: See.
Speaker 3: Black people rode for him to the end that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, always Well, I guess we could start with Facebook.
Speaker 4: Why don't we rowe that clip from Mark Zuckerberg.
Speaker 5: First, we're going to get rid of fact checkers and
Speaker 5: replace them with community notes similar to X. Starting in
Speaker 5: the US, after Trump first got elected in twenty sixteen,
Speaker 5: the legacy media wrote NonStop about how misinformation was a
Speaker 5: threat to democracy. We tried, in good faith to address
Speaker 5: those concerns without becoming the arbiters of truth, but the
Speaker 5: fact checkers have just been too politically biased and have
Speaker 5: destroyed more trusts than they've created, especially in the US.
Speaker 5: So over the next couple of months, we're going to
Speaker 5: phase in a more comprehensive community notes system. Second, we're
Speaker 5: going to simplify our content policies and get rid of
Speaker 5: a bunch of restrictions on topics like immigration and gender
Speaker 5: that are just out of touch with mainstream discourse. What
Speaker 5: started as a movement to be more inclusive has increasingly
Speaker 5: been used to shut down opinions and shut out people
Speaker 5: with different ideas, and it's gone too far.
Speaker 1: So he's going really far, including moving one of the
Speaker 1: content teamersible for fact checking over from California to Texas.
Speaker 1: He talks about the you know, the reason why they
Speaker 1: launched this fact check team and how it ended up
Speaker 1: really restricting folks. One of the things that I think
Speaker 1: is fascinating about this, and you know, you guys, we've
Speaker 1: talked about this once before around the Trump administration moving
Speaker 1: to dismantle in some ways the FBI right and so
Speaker 1: this is one of those places again where there may be,
Speaker 1: as Tip would say, some strange bedfellows. We have a
Speaker 1: number of friends, there are a number of black influencers
Speaker 1: on Facebook on Instagram who regularly complain about their content
Speaker 1: being censored and taken down and restricted. And so I'm
Speaker 1: curious to know if this is something that is only
Speaker 1: going to be for Trump supporters and folks who are
Speaker 1: you know, spewing hate speech around immigration, immigration reform, around gender,
Speaker 1: or will it also be expanded to include everything that
Speaker 1: says BLM. The other thing you all should know. In
Speaker 1: this five minute State of the Union, he says that
Speaker 1: they restricted quite a bit political content on the platform
Speaker 1: and that they are now going to open that back up.
Speaker 1: So now I'm wondering if our Instagram mentions about to
Speaker 1: be popping. That's what I want to know, because we
Speaker 1: knew that our stuff was also being restricted. We weren't
Speaker 1: we would get a certain number of views and the
Speaker 1: lights would plummet and that kind of thing. So we'll
Speaker 1: see if we too will be impacted by this. I
Speaker 1: want to know what y'all think about this move. And
Speaker 1: he even references in this clip that he wanted to
Speaker 1: have a community base of fact checkers or folks that
Speaker 1: weighed in with community notes, as he says similar to
Speaker 1: Elon Musk's X. So I'm curious to know what you'all
Speaker 1: have to say about this.
Speaker 4: Folks, don't jump at once. I'm jumping well. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm reminded of what happened in twenty sixteen before any
Speaker 4: of these standards and practices were put in place at Facebook,
Speaker 4: and what we saw were foreign entities using Facebook in
Speaker 4: particular and Instagram to target people who look like us, specifically,
Speaker 4: the Internet Russia Agency spent millions of dollars on these
Speaker 4: campaign ads, and so now I'd imagine Russia has company.
Speaker 4: I'd imagine Iran might have some desired influence here. I
Speaker 4: imagine China might have some desired influence here. And so
Speaker 4: that's very scary, and I think it's it's senseless not
Speaker 4: to imagine that were it more a more progressive administration
Speaker 4: been elected, that Mark Zuckerberg would not be instituting these policies.
Speaker 4: I think it's interesting to look at these tech giants
Speaker 4: who have come and bent the knee, not only in
Speaker 4: policy but also in funding. None of these people have
Speaker 4: previously given to inaugural funds, and yet they are making
Speaker 4: it rain on Donald Trump, which really creates I think
Speaker 4: a very scary relationship between the private and public sectors,
Speaker 4: especially with you know, President Elon Musk and his vice
Speaker 4: president Donald Trump, and all the ways that Elon Musk
Speaker 4: has these multiple tentacles in the United States government and
Speaker 4: he is essentially overseeing policy to regulate the regulators the
Speaker 4: people who would be regulating him. So I think it's
Speaker 4: a scary time. I think we are in a time
Speaker 4: of misinformation, disinformation, and quite frankly, a lack of interest
Speaker 4: in any information that doesn't directly benefit us. So I
Speaker 4: think we'll see a lot of danger from these policies.
Speaker 4: The question I have for really you Angela, because Andrew,
Speaker 4: I know you don't really traffic and social media much,
Speaker 4: but like I've pretty much I'm off Twitter. It's just
Speaker 4: such a graveyard there. It's not even you know, anything
Speaker 4: interesting there anymore. But I am on Instagram, and I
Speaker 4: do wonder what is our role particularly is you know
Speaker 4: people on this podcast, but also you know, I post
Speaker 4: other things about other things on Instagram, and I want
Speaker 4: am I being hypocritical by staying on that platform knowing
Speaker 4: what it is. I'm on you know, Amazon, I order
Speaker 4: things on Amazon, have Amazon Prime. At what point do
Speaker 4: we divest and then where do we go to spread information?
Speaker 3: I think it's you're not geting you news from Amazon anymore. Huh.
Speaker 4: Well, the Washington Post is owned by Amazon and a
Speaker 4: cartoonists quit just this month because she had, you know,
Speaker 4: had this cartoon where she showed the tech giants on
Speaker 4: bended knee and the Washington Post refused to run it.
Speaker 4: This is unheard of it's a ridiculous thing that we're
Speaker 4: seeing right now that is increasingly normalized. So I don't
Speaker 4: know crazy.
Speaker 3: How their egos gets so twisted over a uh cartoon
Speaker 3: basically uh, you know, bringing to animation the truth because
Speaker 3: you're talking about two of the wealthy, the wealthiest man
Speaker 3: in the world and then closely followed by Zuckerberg, and
Speaker 3: these clowns still haven't made enough money to stand up
Speaker 3: two strong men like Donald Trump. They got goog gobs
Speaker 3: more money than this dude, and they and they are
Speaker 3: they're not just bending a need. They are weak in
Speaker 3: the need.
Speaker 1: I don't think they I don't think I don't think
Speaker 1: they're bending to Donald Trump. I think that they are
Speaker 1: finding ways to get Donald Trump to bend to them.
Speaker 1: I think if you listen to the whole thing that
Speaker 1: of what Mark Zuckerberg says in this I keep calling
Speaker 1: to stay in the Union of Meta. But what he
Speaker 1: says in there is, you know, we we are being
Speaker 1: restricted in all of these other countries, and there are
Speaker 1: you know, there's a restriction on content, and we're being
Speaker 1: censored and all these things, even in China. So as
Speaker 1: soon as he said China was.
Speaker 4: Like dang, the most important thing to him are the numbers.
Speaker 1: So if he can find a way to get into China,
Speaker 1: to stay more present and not be fined in Europe
Speaker 1: or in the EU, he is going to be winning.
Speaker 1: It is about problem.
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't, Yeah, Angela, I'm just saying he's
Speaker 3: the fool then, because all of us who observe Donald
Speaker 3: Trump knows that Donald Trump is only loyal to Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: I mean this man. You can literally be on his
Speaker 3: private plane with him, you know, watching SpaceX takes off,
Speaker 3: take off. One day, Hello, Speaker Johnson, and the next
Speaker 3: day the man could be torpedoing your key closing legislation
Speaker 3: right to your damn face and then waiting to the
Speaker 3: last minute. I don't disagree with actually almost the last minute.
Speaker 3: All of saying is I think any of these guys
Speaker 3: who think that their flattery of Donald Trump is going
Speaker 3: to hoist them into permanent ownership is going to be foolish.
Speaker 3: Donald Trump is always going to be fami and.
Speaker 1: It's not flattery, it's profit. And to that point, I
Speaker 1: want to run this flood. No, it's I think that
Speaker 1: there will be a strategic alliance with Donald Trump and
Speaker 1: the CEOs and how they fund things. It's no secret
Speaker 1: then Elon Musk, right, So let's be very clear. I
Speaker 1: want to go to a Nobel laureate, Maria Ressa, who
Speaker 1: runs a company called Rappler Rappler talk and hear what
Speaker 1: she says about Facebook's mover, Zuckerberg's move to get rid
Speaker 1: of fact checking really quick.
Speaker 6: I still believe there are good people inside Facebook, but
Speaker 6: the moves like this exploits is opportunistic. It exploits the
Speaker 6: election of Donald Trump, the president. Trump in his second
Speaker 6: term already has a product plan twenty twenty five. The
Speaker 6: man that was banned by Facebook when violence erupted on
Speaker 6: January sixth is now the pied piper for big tech CEOs.
Speaker 6: That just shows you the gap between values, standards and ethics,
Speaker 6: which I still am looking for from tech and profit.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I think that there's the pie piper
Speaker 1: is because I and people say often like he's very smart.
Speaker 1: I think he's a brilliant salesman. I think there are
Speaker 1: a lot of people behind him that are the profiteers
Speaker 1: and figure out a way to manipulate him, to get
Speaker 1: him to do the things that they want him to do.
Speaker 1: We saw it with Russia in twenty sixteen and throughout
Speaker 1: his term.
Speaker 3: So I'm just saying I don't disagree. Disagree what bothers
Speaker 3: me the most about this, y'all. And if you, as
Speaker 3: of our resident journalists here, know the declining stature that
Speaker 3: traditional news sources have in the minds of the American people.
Speaker 3: I just pulled up Pew's end of last year twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four October survey, which showed that to the question
Speaker 3: of where consumers, customers received their news actual news sixty
Speaker 3: four percent, get their regular news off of next door
Speaker 3: sixty two percent, off of TikTok, Facebook sixty percent, Snapchat
Speaker 3: sixty percent, Instagram fifty nine percent, while men make up
Speaker 3: the greater share of those on Reddit sixty eight percent,
Speaker 3: wow X sixty four percent, Rumble sixty percent, truth Social
Speaker 3: God Help Us fifty eight percent, and YouTube fifty seven percent.
Speaker 3: So these folks are they are? They are now the arbiters,
Speaker 3: the highway by which we all must travel to get information.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Now, obviously you know sister Hillman over there got twenty direct,
Speaker 3: first and secondary sources, so her news going to be legit.
Speaker 3: But everybody else is going to be going through basically
Speaker 3: reading fairy tales. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And the scary part of that is it transcends political party,
Speaker 4: it transcends socio economics, you know, like people. I have
Speaker 4: seen highly intelligent people share misinformation that was completely inaccurate.
Speaker 4: I have seen people who traffic in nonsense and foolishness
Speaker 4: post something that I think is inaccurate and actually it
Speaker 4: turns out to be true. So it is accessful of
Speaker 4: misinformation and not everyone is always intentional. But that's why
Speaker 4: I always try to say share responsibly, because the truth is,
Speaker 4: it takes but a second to fact check something that
Speaker 4: you know. You can google something to see if it's
Speaker 4: true or not, or consider the source, or don't present
Speaker 4: it like, hey, this is what happened. You can say,
Speaker 4: according to this website that I am not familiar with,
Speaker 4: they posted this, I don't know if it's true. I
Speaker 4: would discourage people from sharing anything that you don't know
Speaker 4: what's true. But I think we're going to see so
Speaker 4: many problems with this, and then this is a subject
Speaker 4: for another day. But when you couple the tech giants,
Speaker 4: the misinformation was generative. AI, Oh my god, I think
Speaker 4: we are trafficking in an error of scary ignorance. I
Speaker 4: know we have a break well, and I was gonna
Speaker 4: say tip on that point, just on that specific point,
Speaker 4: the SEO of Rappler actually talks about AI as it
Speaker 4: relates to this whole concept. I hope you guys take
Speaker 4: a listen to that interview. It's really powerful.
Speaker 1: Shout out to our EP Lauren Hansen for telling us
Speaker 1: about it. It is incredible. And she even says, and
Speaker 1: Martin Zuckerberg may be on the receiving end of this
Speaker 1: because there was a genitive AI post about him right
Speaker 1: after he made this announcement to really test how serious
Speaker 1: he was about fact checking. So not only are people
Speaker 1: gonna have to cite the source, now they're gonna have
Speaker 1: to dig a little different to find a source familiar
Speaker 1: with that doing decimal system. And I will be back
Speaker 1: on the other side of this break is.
Speaker 3: So Tiff and Azela, I know we got to move
Speaker 3: on to the next topic, but I am curious, do
Speaker 3: you think, just just picking up from what we just
Speaker 3: discussed around this technology and merger with politics, do you
Speaker 3: think there's ever been a time in the American police
Speaker 3: economic system where the allies ship of big money, big industry,
Speaker 3: and politics weren't always working together, handing glove in some
Speaker 3: way toward greater profit profit margins for yes, the big barons,
Speaker 3: but also for the elected officials who were in part
Speaker 3: recipients of their largest through political support, so on and
Speaker 3: so forth. You know as well as I do studying
Speaker 3: history that the big barons of the day, the big tycoons,
Speaker 3: could pick up the phone and get directly to the
Speaker 3: president of the United States. They could pick up the
Speaker 3: phone and get directly to heads of foreign nations. That's
Speaker 3: just how sympotical the relationship is. I'm just I guess
Speaker 3: the question for me is is there anything really new here?
Speaker 4: I don't think so, but this kind of puts me
Speaker 4: in mind of that. I thought you were gonna talk
Speaker 4: about the viewer question. Politicians are listening to you.
Speaker 3: Oh, I didn't know that.
Speaker 4: Well, when you said bring us with a question, I
Speaker 4: thought I didn't know it was gonna be your question.
Speaker 4: But I actually like the question you're asking because there's
Speaker 4: never been a time, no, I mean, even the inception
Speaker 4: of America, the enslavers were the power brokers the people
Speaker 4: right exactly exactly can we play that? Yeah?
Speaker 3: I love to hear it now that you mentioned it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I didn't see the whole thing, but I think
Speaker 4: she was asking about like who, something about intelligence and
Speaker 4: who people are listening to.
Speaker 3: Okay, what up Native Land.
Speaker 7: This is Craig and Brooklyn. I just have a quick
Speaker 7: question for you. Got well before I get answered my question.
Speaker 7: Happy holidays and I hope you all have a blessed
Speaker 7: New Year. But my question is this. Once a friend
Speaker 7: of mine in grad school asked me this question. She
Speaker 7: was from the West Coast. She said, Craig, where is
Speaker 7: the black intelligentsia hang out in Brooklyn? And I honestly
Speaker 7: couldn't answer the question. I don't know if I can
Speaker 7: answer it now, but it did start making me think
Speaker 7: about this question about the intelligencia. I've been thinking about
Speaker 7: your last episode when you were talking about Shavel versus Deep,
Speaker 7: and I'm thinking, okay, So the role of the intelligencia,
Speaker 7: according to some of my further reading after I didn't
Speaker 7: know what the hell of intelligencia was, is that their
Speaker 7: role has been to influence politics, influence culture. You know politicians,
Speaker 7: I guess in that time looked at them for advice
Speaker 7: on how to run the world, and you know, how
Speaker 7: to lead the culture. My question is, is there an
Speaker 7: erosion of the intelligencia in this country right now? Or
Speaker 7: have you reached the point where politicians and leaders don't
Speaker 7: really listen to intellectuals anymore?
Speaker 3: Thoughts on this?
Speaker 7: Let me know, happy to yeah, y'all.
Speaker 1: Can I just say before we get into the question,
Speaker 1: and maybe there's a sign that maybe we should be
Speaker 1: reading the tea leaves because the brother had on a
Speaker 1: only fan shirt. So my question is should we have
Speaker 1: only This is what happens when the intellectuals meet the dummies.
Speaker 1: I just I'm focused on.
Speaker 4: The only fashion the intelligencia only fans page. What would
Speaker 4: that look like?
Speaker 3: What you think they're doing?
Speaker 4: That am called tips toes. I was gonna say, I
Speaker 4: don't want to show my feet, but we can show
Speaker 4: my toes. I don't want to see my face, but
Speaker 4: if I can make me some coins showing my toes,
Speaker 4: I'm okay with that. I don't want anybody know what
Speaker 4: this means.
Speaker 1: A red lobster is different as the people from.
Speaker 4: The ankles down. If y'all want to see my feet
Speaker 4: and y'all can pay me in red lobster gift cards,
Speaker 4: look cars, this man is. It's all about intelligency, y'all.
Speaker 4: Ended up in conversation of the entire pub the intelligencia.
Speaker 1: He's like, they don't know where they are, like where
Speaker 1: they are not here?
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people are wondering though, like
Speaker 4: where do the folks gather?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 4: Like where is that? Well, I think people wonder where
Speaker 4: is that, you know, algonquin roundtable? In my community? Where
Speaker 4: can I connect with like minded, intellectually curious people. So
Speaker 4: I love that people are at least looking for that,
Speaker 4: So find your tribe wherever you can. But I do
Speaker 4: I understand his question to mean there is this constant
Speaker 4: dumbing down of the American public, and even when you
Speaker 4: listen to Donald Trump, there is not sensical, Like if
Speaker 4: you read the transcripts of some of this man's speeches,
Speaker 4: like this is a bunch of non sensical, non secular
Speaker 4: thoughts that he is just stringing together and made very
Speaker 4: like I appreciate and in politics, as you well know, Andrew,
Speaker 4: you had a way of communicating very complicated government policy
Speaker 4: in a way that is digestible and consumable to the masses.
Speaker 4: That is talent. That is not what this administration does.
Speaker 4: They go out there and say a bunch of stupid
Speaker 4: shit and their audience applauds it, and they receive it
Speaker 4: because that is that is the way that they can
Speaker 4: receive it. And I think that's a dangerous time. I mean, there,
Speaker 4: it is not a bad thing to be smart. It
Speaker 4: is not a bad thing to be intellectual. It's not
Speaker 4: a bad thing to say I don't know this. Let
Speaker 4: me have some curiosity and look this up. And I'm
Speaker 4: telling you, guys, I just think we're getting further away
Speaker 4: from that. And again I would say that is not
Speaker 4: partisan either. I think that exists on both sides of
Speaker 4: the divide. The scary thing is that their leader is
Speaker 4: the one saying these stupid things, and he has smart
Speaker 4: people around him who capitalize off of the ignorance of
Speaker 4: so many people in this country.
Speaker 3: And I'm actually surprised that you would co locate intelligence
Speaker 3: or brilliant with public officials automatically, because I long go
Speaker 3: go stopped equating. What to say it differently, that if
Speaker 3: you are elected, if you are at the helm of
Speaker 3: governmental institutions on and so forth, that there is something
Speaker 3: there is there, there is some intelligence that is immediately
Speaker 3: inured to you by virtue of your tile your position.
Speaker 3: I think when I was a lot younger. I thought that,
Speaker 3: and you get up and there his maniacs. I mean
Speaker 3: talking about Guam tilted if you kill a.
Speaker 4: Members flag on the plate. I don't even know the
Speaker 4: story though, so ill and.
Speaker 3: Send it to you in a check.
Speaker 4: But for the viewers we talked about, so the view
Speaker 4: the people listening, can you just tell us briefly and am.
Speaker 3: Member Tigris was in a hearing about the expansion of
Speaker 3: a military base on the island of Guam Okay and
Speaker 3: he was concerned and in his questioning of the general
Speaker 3: or whatever the title military official, was that if we
Speaker 3: were to build uh a more infrastructure cement on Guam,
Speaker 3: that wouldn't the island just tip over? You know?
Speaker 1: And on all social media platforms.
Speaker 4: But I'm curious, why is that about, Like, if that's
Speaker 4: what happened, what is your defense of that? Like, why
Speaker 4: is this one of my members, ma'am?
Speaker 1: It's one of my members?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I think this is where I'm not. I'm
Speaker 4: not beholden to anybody like I think that is. It was.
Speaker 1: It was the talent, silly moment, and I think that
Speaker 1: he deeply regrets it. I think that on the side
Speaker 1: that they regret deeply regret every damn day.
Speaker 3: Wait, guys, this is not deeply regrettable.
Speaker 4: It is about intelligence.
Speaker 1: He's an attorney Johnson. Hank Johnson said it. I wondered
Speaker 1: if the island would cap size.
Speaker 3: And first of all, you fell into her trap. She
Speaker 3: knows exactly what.
Speaker 4: If I did, I would have I would have explained
Speaker 4: it myself.
Speaker 1: A liar, she when you can tell, and was lying.
Speaker 1: I really believed her that she didn't know what it was,
Speaker 1: because she's can you remind me of who that might
Speaker 1: have been?
Speaker 3: I haven't say that again. That plays the basketball team.
Speaker 1: In the league. It's I think anyway, here's the thing.
Speaker 3: So, getting back to crickspot, can I just say this
Speaker 3: on a serious note, which is, we do have institutions
Speaker 3: organizations that were primarily existed for the black intelligentia to communicate,
Speaker 3: to have fellowship, but also to think, to ponder on
Speaker 3: higher things, which means not just how am I doing
Speaker 3: in the society in the world, but how do we
Speaker 3: create structures that give rise and lift to new economies,
Speaker 3: new work, new leaders, And how do we hold those
Speaker 3: black folks who do ascend them to those places? How
Speaker 3: do we keep them connected, hold them accountable, have them
Speaker 3: feel responsible to us for having them gotten them there
Speaker 3: and they're holding them there. I mean on that pie
Speaker 3: five also known as the Boulet, which you can.
Speaker 4: He's bogie Bogie. We knew that already. No, no, no, never,
Speaker 4: and Andrew, don't ever call me elitist again, all your
Speaker 4: little shade. I wish I had known that.
Speaker 1: You remember the link proudly. So I'm just saying, stillmer
Speaker 1: all the organization treated some people.
Speaker 3: That's but I agree, I agree. But all I'm saying
Speaker 3: is is that there are places that still exist who
Speaker 3: primarily like to emphasize their focus on layering where black
Speaker 3: folks are able to ascend to in our society.
Speaker 1: I think that is more about ascension and act excess
Speaker 1: than it is about influencing policy or influencing the collective's ability,
Speaker 1: upward mobility and the collective success.
Speaker 3: Here in Florida, when we have the Legislative Black Conference,
Speaker 3: it's those organizations that are here putting forth a Black agenda,
Speaker 3: an agenda for the A.
Speaker 1: I would love to do the Bullets Agenda for Black America. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the I love to see it.
Speaker 4: I have never heard of such a thing.
Speaker 3: But all I'm saying is And by the way, I
Speaker 3: don't have to be affiliated with IT groups. You don't
Speaker 3: have to be affiliate with any of them. Oh lord, yes, anyway,
Speaker 3: can I just.
Speaker 1: Tell you do We've been answering this question for fifty minutes.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say really quick, I don't think that
Speaker 1: intelligentia's influence should be restricted to black folks. We should
Speaker 1: be influencing everybody. Whether you find yourself in the intelligencia
Speaker 1: whatever that means, or you're in a union and your intelligencia,
Speaker 1: or you work at a minimum wage job which should
Speaker 1: be a livable wage job in your intelligencia. We should
Speaker 1: all be using our collective influence to change policy. But Andrew,
Speaker 1: one of the things you said earlier was you learned
Speaker 1: long ago that the smarts was not reserved for the elected,
Speaker 1: and you have case in point with this more money
Speaker 1: coarrel situation. So hopefully we can get to that on
Speaker 1: the other side of this break.
Speaker 3: So Angela, before we transition from this point, I just
Speaker 3: want to say, first of all the entities that I mentioned,
Speaker 3: and this idea of a black intelligent class and the
Speaker 3: theories you know further explored by W. E. B. Du
Speaker 3: bois du bois, the boy du bois, depending upon who
Speaker 3: you who're.
Speaker 1: Staying, if you're talking to someone in the blue or.
Speaker 3: Not shut up girl. Anyway, they contemplated the uplift of
Speaker 3: all yeah.
Speaker 4: But I just have to I just want to see
Speaker 4: agree with it.
Speaker 3: I just want to see all I'm saying that we could,
Speaker 3: we could chase the organizations and have them, you know,
Speaker 3: do the deliverables and whatnot. But I will say this
Speaker 3: much the reason why what you said has to exist,
Speaker 3: we have to have space for it. And even in
Speaker 3: the labor movement, right when you elevated in the leadership
Speaker 3: and labor you were no longer necessarily on the line.
Speaker 3: Now you moved into rooms, into spaces circulated with people
Speaker 3: who were able to change the lived experiences of your
Speaker 3: members right where they were. And the reason why I
Speaker 3: think that's so important for our community is because, as
Speaker 3: we talk about all the time here, the luxuries that
Speaker 3: exist for people and then the ones that just don't.
Speaker 3: And so if unions didn't elect leadership that they've then
Speaker 3: paid and exposed to these rooms, in these tables, that
Speaker 3: voice would not show up in the room. It wouldn't
Speaker 3: show up in the room so you don't have to
Speaker 3: be an Ivy League degree holder or be a part
Speaker 3: of any of the organizations that I name checked, to
Speaker 3: be part of a thinking group of people who are like,
Speaker 3: you know what, this shit sucks?
Speaker 1: Where we are intelligencia? Who is in it?
Speaker 4: I couldn't even begin to If you black and you intelligent,
Speaker 4: you and the black intelligencia, Andrews, we should.
Speaker 1: Have a mini podcast Black intelligentsia and we should start
Speaker 1: developing a list.
Speaker 4: Okay, have an idea opposite black and what is it? Okay,
Speaker 4: this is my mini pod idea. We don't have to
Speaker 4: do it this week, but I want to do a
Speaker 4: mini pod on slang of the country, different regional slang.
Speaker 4: I will tell y'all this is Albert's idea, because he
Speaker 4: was giving me all this West Coast slang. Damn say this?
Speaker 4: Do you say that right? And he was like, y'all
Speaker 4: do this as a mini I was like, Angela, be
Speaker 4: all over this. And he was saying stuff that they
Speaker 4: say in l A. I'm like, I've never said that, Andrew.
Speaker 4: You and I have talked about you know. Yeah.
Speaker 3: My wife retold the story when we went to go
Speaker 3: buy furniture for our first house together, and the man
Speaker 3: was showing us the couch and the and my ass goes,
Speaker 3: you got to chesse a draw to go with it,
Speaker 3: and and it's like and he's it's just like sort
Speaker 3: of like this, and she said, do you mean chest
Speaker 3: of drawers?
Speaker 4: We call the dresser.
Speaker 3: And I said, oh my god, that makes sense, that
Speaker 3: makes so much sense. But everybody I grew up with
Speaker 3: like chess a draw will drop.
Speaker 4: Y'all slaying in the comments because when we do the
Speaker 4: mini pod, I want to be able to reference y'all
Speaker 4: to sure. Okay, well never mind too late, y'all to drop.
Speaker 4: Don't care. I don't care either way. I promise I.
Speaker 1: Can't thirty minutes into this podcast and we still ain't
Speaker 1: talking about it. Orel or tipt topic listen, listen.
Speaker 4: Because I know we were going to take a whole
Speaker 4: segment to responded that question.
Speaker 3: First of all, minutes we were talking about all kinds
Speaker 3: of stuff.
Speaker 1: About is going to give us a black agenda to
Speaker 1: talk about on this podcast? You go chilling, Andrew. I.
Speaker 1: I embraced my booge and my eedo. I was bumping kid.
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Speaker 1: Because I love.
Speaker 4: Many of you all, nicolevid a ball event. Okay, please
Speaker 4: remember we started doing this. I'll land you on not
Speaker 4: inside of the break. I want to hear about Tlorida.
Speaker 4: So we'll go to the break and you can bring
Speaker 4: us back and tell us about and Florida and what
Speaker 4: he's doing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. I absolutely those ones are right or that.
Speaker 3: So y'all we're back. And the reason why I know
Speaker 3: y'all think this is just a Florida sort of angle,
Speaker 3: and that's why I'm harping on it. But as we
Speaker 3: think about the fact that Donald Trump is going into
Speaker 3: the White House, we got we got the Sanders who
Speaker 3: want to be president of the United States. Just know
Speaker 3: that what we are about to experience in Trump two
Speaker 3: point zero, this, this this authoritarian, wanna be strong man
Speaker 3: dictator is going to be much more capable of playing
Speaker 3: that role of strong man. And I will say in
Speaker 3: part because he has sat in an armchair looking at
Speaker 3: Ron decentis in the state of Florida. And I don't
Speaker 3: say that as a former opponent. I say that as
Speaker 3: a citizen, as a resident of this state. Where in
Speaker 3: the case of Monique Warrell, who is the elected, duly elected,
Speaker 3: reelected state Attorney, and re elected state attorney covering Ostiola
Speaker 3: in Orange County, which, for those of you all are
Speaker 3: not familiar, is Central Florida, Disney World, the outskirts of it,
Speaker 3: Orlando and whatnot. But but but she stands on the
Speaker 3: shoulders of an already really important figure, harams Ayala, who
Speaker 3: preceded her as the first black woman ever elected state
Speaker 3: attorney and the entire state of Florida's history, and she
Speaker 3: came after her, and because she campaigned again, y'all remember
Speaker 3: twenty twenty, we had come out of the Year of
Speaker 3: George Floyd and people were starting to look open to
Speaker 3: looking at the justice system a different way, while she
Speaker 3: ran on a principal justice platform that basically said lock
Speaker 3: them up and throw away the kids, and not to
Speaker 3: answer to everything. In fact, let's look at the many
Speaker 3: ways in which justice can be carried out to the
Speaker 3: benefit of the victim, to the creating the wholeness of
Speaker 3: the victim, but also doing good and just for the
Speaker 3: society and the individuals, and this governor in Florida, Ron
Speaker 3: De Santis, decided that he would sign an executive order
Speaker 3: to remove her, suspend her as the state's attorney and
Speaker 3: cited for his reasons and competence, unqualified and soft on crime. Now,
Speaker 3: as you and I all know, y'all, when I run
Speaker 3: for an office like that, I run on a platform.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you what it is. I'm trying to accomplish.
Speaker 3: The voters then hear that and then make a declarative
Speaker 3: decisional election whether or not they want to advance that model
Speaker 3: or not. But this governor said, oh, I'm all powerful.
Speaker 3: I know you were duly elected, but because we have
Speaker 3: a philosophical difference, you're unfit for the office, and I
Speaker 3: hear by remove you. That thing went all the way
Speaker 3: up to the Florida Supreme Court, a supreme court where
Speaker 3: he appointed eight of the non justices that we're sitting
Speaker 3: on that bench, and of course they decided to rubber
Speaker 3: stent the governor's removal of her and would not reinstate
Speaker 3: her in office. What does she do? Like most hard working,
Speaker 3: good black women, I know, she stood right back up
Speaker 3: and said, I'm running again, and I'm going to reclaim
Speaker 3: my time and my position, my title, and the good
Speaker 3: work that we were doing. She ran in twenty twenty four, y'all,
Speaker 3: this past November, and even in a Florida where Donald
Speaker 3: Trump ran away with the electoral College and all that stuff,
Speaker 3: she got re elected sixty forty over her opponent. And
Speaker 3: do y'all know this past Tuesday when she was sworn
Speaker 3: in that already reporters, the Capitol Press Corps, everybody swirling
Speaker 3: with rumor that Ronda Santis is going to work to
Speaker 3: remove her again, except this time there is a prosecution
Speaker 3: that is possibly going to come forth from her neighboring
Speaker 3: state attorney in Polk County. Over some don't wait for
Speaker 3: the thing to drop, some trumped up mess to remove
Speaker 3: her from office and become the governor's justification for taking
Speaker 3: her out yet again. Again, this is not just the
Speaker 3: Florida story. To our listeners, for those of you all
Speaker 3: in Florida, please pay attention, please fight. This is why, Tiff,
Speaker 3: when you kept saying black women, we're gonna take a
Speaker 3: break and we're coming back in there. This is why
Speaker 3: it's never opportunity for us to step back from politics.
Speaker 3: Why because we're the first thing on the chopping block,
Speaker 3: the first thing swinging, and look no further than the
Speaker 3: story of Monique Warel, State Attorney. Congratulations on your reelections.
Speaker 3: We're with you in solidarity, and I'm asking our listening
Speaker 3: and viewing audience to please stay tuned to what happens
Speaker 3: in this case. This woman is dedicated, committed, elected, re elected, blessed,
Speaker 3: highly favored, but yet she is a target for the
Speaker 3: right and Angela and tiff we all know enough people
Speaker 3: in power who are black who have come under same
Speaker 3: and similar scrutiny for having done nothing at all.
Speaker 1: And that's just it. We should hear just for a
Speaker 1: moment from Moniquirel and talk a little bit more about
Speaker 1: this alleged grand jury investigation on the other side of
Speaker 1: this clip.
Speaker 8: Eighteen months ago, I stood on these very steps after
Speaker 8: being unjusted removed from office that you elected me to.
Speaker 8: I told you then that I didn't intend to give up,
Speaker 8: and as a result of you standing with me over
Speaker 8: these last eighteen months, today I am honored to return
Speaker 8: to the seat of the people's.
Speaker 3: State of time, the people people as a resident. Right, y'all,
Speaker 3: remember Kamala Harris saying I stood up and I said,
Speaker 3: Kamala Harris for the people, for the people. That's who
Speaker 3: elected this woman, the people. And a governor believes that
Speaker 3: he has the power because I disagree with.
Speaker 1: Well the Florida law sadly, if she is indicted by
Speaker 1: a grand jury, Florida law states that the governor has
Speaker 1: the power to suspend any any state official under those circumstances.
Speaker 1: Again to the point, Andrew, you have been a part
Speaker 1: of that. We know Marilyn Martin Mosby, who's pardon we
Speaker 1: are still seeking, has been subject to these types of issues.
Speaker 1: Kim Gardner in Saint louis subject to the same types
Speaker 1: of issues. Just because a prosecutor comes after you, and
Speaker 1: just because a grand jury indicts you based on the
Speaker 1: lies in an indictment does not mean that you are guilty.
Speaker 1: And so what the Florida voters are up against is
Speaker 1: whether or not their vote can super see the will
Speaker 1: of the governor, and how many times they have to
Speaker 1: demonstrate to the Florida governor what their will is. And
Speaker 1: I just I hate that this is happening, Andrew. Every
Speaker 1: time I look at Florida, I just think it would
Speaker 1: have been so much better if my brother would have won.
Speaker 3: Well, Angela, I gotta tell you, I'll go back to
Speaker 3: my premise. Which is the reason why this is so
Speaker 3: key for all of us, is the playbook has been
Speaker 3: played Pat and Donald Trump. We're gonna see this thing
Speaker 3: on scalable fashion when this man, when this man assumes office,
Speaker 3: and we just got to be vigilant, y'all. I've never
Speaker 3: thought that, just like Pence, couldn't just say I'm throwing
Speaker 3: out these votes, these Electoral College votes. This man said,
Speaker 3: I'm throwing out all tens of thousands of votes, and
Speaker 3: I one man gets to decide who holds that seat.
Speaker 4: I think that the concern that I'm seeing here is
Speaker 4: looking at this situation Andrew, which is a microcosm for
Speaker 4: what we've seen across the country, but then looking at
Speaker 4: the president elects, who himself is convicted of multiple felonies,
Speaker 4: and if this is a question we were kind of
Speaker 4: tuoling with in our group chat.
Speaker 1: Facing sentencings by the way, tip before his inauguration.
Speaker 3: Yes, is sentenced, he will not be a felon.
Speaker 4: Right, But I guess the question is in this country
Speaker 4: and I think we are sadly going to be confronted with,
Speaker 4: is if the president can do it and face no consequence.
Speaker 4: If the insurrectionists of January sixth can attempt to overthrow
Speaker 4: a government and face no consequence, then what is the law? Yeah,
Speaker 4: because what are the infrastructures of society that now govern us?
Speaker 4: Because they have said on their side, they have said
Speaker 4: we can throw these things out, and when we don't
Speaker 4: throw them out, we will weaponize them against our opponents.
Speaker 4: And that is the terrain of society that we are
Speaker 4: maneuvering in now. And I think it's a faffo, Andrew.
Speaker 4: I think people have throughund and now they're going to
Speaker 4: find out if people are increasingly tuned out, which I'll
Speaker 4: talk about on the other side of a break, But
Speaker 4: people are increasingly tuned out, which I understand. You know,
Speaker 4: I completely get it. People are righteously disgusted with it.
Speaker 4: But I just wonder, like the story that you told
Speaker 4: Andrew is not going to be above the fold on
Speaker 4: the New York Times. You know, it's not going to
Speaker 4: be leading coverage on CNN, it's not going to be
Speaker 4: breaking news on MSNBC. The thousands of ways that they
Speaker 4: bleed us by a thousand cuts before they decapitate us
Speaker 4: are the things that's going to lead to the downfall
Speaker 4: of society. And it is baffling yet not surprising to
Speaker 4: me that black women are often the people on the
Speaker 4: front lines of this fight.
Speaker 3: And that's says, you know, the reason why it won't
Speaker 3: lead any of those sites or sources or entities that
Speaker 3: you reference, because the target is us. Yeah we are.
Speaker 3: We are less than our percent of the population and
Speaker 3: elective office. Right, But how is it that every black
Speaker 3: elected official we can name right now has some kind
Speaker 3: of federal state probe going into them? At some point,
Speaker 3: said is Angela. At some point, this is no longer
Speaker 3: just a coincidence that black mayors, governors, senators, states a
Speaker 3: turn the prosecutors, you're telling me, the people who bring
Speaker 3: the cases if you black, are now on the other
Speaker 3: side of those cases which you're neighboring, prosecutors choosing to
Speaker 3: come after you doing the governor, the presidents and everybody
Speaker 3: else's bidding. And this shit has to stop. And what
Speaker 3: stops it the mechanisms. I used to believe in a
Speaker 3: Supreme court who said that democracy mattered, but when they
Speaker 3: decided to hand the kings over to a dictator, that
Speaker 3: stopped being the case. And now state supreme courts, which
Speaker 3: used to be able to be relied upon to follow
Speaker 3: the Constitution in law, are following the fashions of their
Speaker 3: republican god governor, and that becomes the dictator to how
Speaker 3: you don't even need to read the case law, y'all.
Speaker 3: You don't have to read the briefs. You don't have
Speaker 3: to read the weight of the argument. All you need
Speaker 3: to know is the political party the case on either side.
Speaker 3: And I can tell you in this state and now
Speaker 3: in this nation, where that's just going to end.
Speaker 4: Well, I wonder if we have time before we go
Speaker 4: to break to get in another viewer question.
Speaker 3: Please do we have time?
Speaker 1: Yep, let's do it. Yeah, it with a quick answer,
Speaker 1: not with a fifteen minute response, but yes.
Speaker 4: Well, I wanted to talk about this particular one because
Speaker 4: what you're talking about, Andrew, is just the way that
Speaker 4: this administration is able to subvert the law. And I
Speaker 4: thought of you, or had a great question about how
Speaker 4: this administration is not only trying to subvert the law domestically,
Speaker 4: but on a global scale as well.
Speaker 1: Let's take a listion.
Speaker 9: Happy holidays, Native Land Pod, It's great to see you again.
Speaker 9: To the CEO of Black people. Merry Christmas to my
Speaker 9: forever governor. Happy Kwansa to my CAU sister.
Speaker 1: Happy New Year.
Speaker 9: If a la navidac, This is DONALDA, the drama teacher
Speaker 9: in Florida, coming at you again. I think you re
Speaker 9: remember that I spent my summer break in Central America
Speaker 9: where there is a thriving Black American expat They're not expats,
Speaker 9: they've moved there where there's a thriving Black American immigrant
Speaker 9: community in Panama, and that made me puts on my
Speaker 9: radar that our president elect has made recent threats to
Speaker 9: break the treaty with the Panama of Panamanians and take
Speaker 9: back and colonize the Panama Canal, to which their president
Speaker 9: has already responded with an FAFO kind of response. But
Speaker 9: I'm wondering, what do you think the response of our
Speaker 9: of the international community would be if the United States
Speaker 9: decided to break a treaty and try to commandeer the
Speaker 9: Panama Canal again. What are your thoughts on that? How
Speaker 9: do you think the international community would respond? Thanks? Happy
Speaker 9: hollow Days.
Speaker 4: Well, I remember when this came up during his first
Speaker 4: term in twenty nineteen, when he first floated the idea
Speaker 4: of buying greenland, and I remember I was on set
Speaker 4: with Craig Melvin talking about it, and I remember thinking,
Speaker 4: this is the most colonial boss I've ever heard, Like
Speaker 4: you can just go around and buy land common deer
Speaker 4: land by it was independent of the people. And it's
Speaker 4: kind of the same thing with the Panama Canal. It's
Speaker 4: a crazy thing. So just so people know, the Panama
Speaker 4: Canal is actually a man made waterway that it basically
Speaker 4: shapes how people can do business there.
Speaker 3: Well, it's like a cut it's what do you call
Speaker 3: it a cut through? Yeah, if we were on a
Speaker 3: road infrastructure, it's a cut through. So you don't have
Speaker 3: exactly exactly, you don't have to go all the way
Speaker 3: south of South America to bring goods and products into
Speaker 3: the Hemisphere. Yeah, hemisphere.
Speaker 4: Yes, it basically connects the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, and
Speaker 4: it's the American businesses considerable times on this shortcut, exactly, Andrew.
Speaker 4: And it's interesting to me because there is vested interest
Speaker 4: in the Panama Canal, which has held by the way
Speaker 4: since the Carter administration. It even held in nineteen eighty nine,
Speaker 4: when then President George HW. Bush removed Noriega the Panamanian leader.
Speaker 4: So the fact that he is trying to upend decades
Speaker 4: of US policy in addition to his desire to buy Greenland.
Speaker 4: You all may have seen Donald Trump Junior was visiting
Speaker 4: Greenland this week. I found it interesting there that Russia
Speaker 4: has a vested interest in the Northern Sea, which of
Speaker 4: course is a part of Greenland. And so I look
Speaker 4: at these things and I am hopeful that the international
Speaker 4: community will not go for it. But I mean, experts
Speaker 4: will tell you if he tries to see these things,
Speaker 4: it will have to be done by force. No one
Speaker 4: is going to see their sovereign land. To Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: it doesn't matter about the paycheck. And so I just
Speaker 4: think about all of the threats, the multiple threats we
Speaker 4: have facing us across the globe. Uh, And I think,
Speaker 4: why would you ever invite this kind of international unrest
Speaker 4: to our shores?
Speaker 3: Because he doesn't he doesn't care. As you, Angela and
Speaker 3: I all know, the Panama Canals services three fourths of
Speaker 3: American goods. We pay three fourths of the taxes on
Speaker 3: the levees, if you will, for the product move through
Speaker 3: the Panama Canal. The next highest payer is China, and
Speaker 3: again they're a fourth of what what will we pay Now?
Speaker 3: If China decided that they were going to throw down
Speaker 3: and say we will come to a fisticuff and defense
Speaker 3: of the nation sovereign Panama, then that might be something
Speaker 3: that could put some skids on it. But the global community,
Speaker 3: they'll all issue statements and they will all say what
Speaker 3: a horrible and nondemocratic and a break with traditional international
Speaker 3: norms this is and treaties. But they ain't gonna do
Speaker 3: a goddamn thing because they cannot match the US force,
Speaker 3: which is what Donald Trump has always been someone who
Speaker 3: basically says the strongest are to always reign over the weakest.
Speaker 4: It can, but it can grossly damage our geopolitics in
Speaker 4: both of these regions. And I don't and this, but
Speaker 4: this is one of those things where people, you know,
Speaker 4: it sounds like something silly, and how that Donald Trump
Speaker 4: is so crazy talking about buying Greenland and season of
Speaker 4: Panama Canal and while whatever, and these are the things
Speaker 4: that can lead to a multiple layers of danger, economic danger,
Speaker 4: and warfare, a warfare with our country.
Speaker 3: So the community doesn't have to recognize it right going
Speaker 3: to Greenland and be like, oh, I'm just going to
Speaker 3: buy it in It ain't on sale Amazon, and so
Speaker 3: every international government can say we don't recognize it. We
Speaker 3: don't recognize it.
Speaker 4: From tuned out from it, and I know a lot
Speaker 4: of you all are tuned out. So on the other
Speaker 4: side of this break, I want to talk about how
Speaker 4: we are isolating and not being connected with what's happening
Speaker 4: in the world.
Speaker 3: I'm excited about that because I experienced it with a
Speaker 3: lot of friends and family members as well. I think
Speaker 3: some strategies need to be offered here.
Speaker 1: I want to also talk about whether or not it
Speaker 1: is greenland or Greenland.
Speaker 4: On the other side, what did I say? Did I
Speaker 4: say greenland?
Speaker 1: Saying greenland? Because you love nonsense anyway, break.
Speaker 4: Now, I was I think I was saying green hat.
Speaker 3: You gave it to.
Speaker 4: Names Greenland, Greenland, greenland. It depends on do you think Caribbean?
Speaker 1: I say, I say.
Speaker 4: Me too.
Speaker 1: That's one thing we say the same. That's because you're
Speaker 1: down there with the Caribbean, all right.
Speaker 2: Welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome, welcome.
Speaker 10: Connecting through technology having friends online is not the same
Speaker 10: as having friends in person. And what has happened over time,
Speaker 10: especially as social media has become to such a deeply
Speaker 10: ingrained part of our lives is that we've moved from
Speaker 10: having contents to contacts, from having friends to having followers,
Speaker 10: a shift from quality of friends to quantity. And the
Speaker 10: truth is that there are certain things you can just
Speaker 10: say to people online that you would never say to
Speaker 10: them in person, right because you know it might be hurtful,
Speaker 10: or you might you know, adjust how you say it.
Speaker 10: But when we're in person with other people, it's just
Speaker 10: a richer interactions. See, because we evolved over thousands of
Speaker 10: years as human beings to actually have in person reactions,
Speaker 10: interactions to not only hear what somebody is saying, but
Speaker 10: to appreciate the tone of their voice and the expression
Speaker 10: on their face.
Speaker 3: And the bouch you means.
Speaker 8: That's why a lot of things get lost, the context
Speaker 8: gets lost.
Speaker 4: In the text that was doctor Vivic Murphy, Joe Biden's
Speaker 4: US Surgeon General, and he was talking about what he's
Speaker 4: been talking about for a while now, actually, and that
Speaker 4: is loneliness and isolation. And so I started reading about it,
Speaker 4: and I was really struck by a lot of the data.
Speaker 4: And I think all of us, the three of us here,
Speaker 4: have certainly experienced it. We noticed it even in our
Speaker 4: own personal lives with how we relate to people and
Speaker 4: our own social lives and how we go out. But
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty three, seventy four percent of all restaurant
Speaker 4: traffic came from takeout. So people are still patroning these restaurants,
Speaker 4: but they are not sitting there engaging with other people.
Speaker 4: They go and pick it up. That's according to the
Speaker 4: National Restaurant Association. That takeout number was up sixty one
Speaker 4: percent before COVID. Also, the number of adults having dinner
Speaker 4: or drinks with friends on any given night has declined
Speaker 4: by more than thirty percent over the past twenty years.
Speaker 4: Because initially I thought, oh, well, this is just post
Speaker 4: COVID and this is how things go. But no, it
Speaker 4: was happening already pre COVID. And even when we are
Speaker 4: sitting at restaurants, people tend to do so by themselves.
Speaker 4: According to data from Open Table, solo dining has increased
Speaker 4: by twenty nine percent in just two years. The typical
Speaker 4: American adult buys three movie tickets a year and watches
Speaker 4: almost nineteen hours of television. You guys, remember we used
Speaker 4: to go to movies. Now, let me tell you for
Speaker 4: me to go sit in the theater has got to
Speaker 4: be a damn good movie, because I'm like, well, where
Speaker 4: is the stream man? Where can I watch it? For
Speaker 4: over twenty years, from two thousand and three to twenty
Speaker 4: twenty three, socializing plunged by more than twenty percent. That's
Speaker 4: according to the American Time Youth Survey. That's a study
Speaker 4: conducted by the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Unmarried men and
Speaker 4: people young twenty five, that decline was more than thirty
Speaker 4: five percent. And we are categorizing this time as alone
Speaker 4: as you're the only person in the room, even if
Speaker 4: you're on the phone or in front of a computer.
Speaker 4: Men who watch television now spend seven hours in front
Speaker 4: of TV instead of hanging out with people outside their home.
Speaker 4: The typical female pet owner spends more time actively engaged
Speaker 4: with her pet then she spends in face to face
Speaker 4: contact with friends. And this is since the early two
Speaker 4: thousands that exact calles dog people. The amount of time
Speaker 4: that Americans say they spend helping or caring for people
Speaker 4: outside their nuclear family has declined by more than the third.
Speaker 4: So I bring this up to say I've heard from
Speaker 4: so many people it's like I love y'all native land.
Speaker 4: But I got it to now, like I just I can't.
Speaker 4: I don't want to hear what's happening. And I think
Speaker 4: we are increasingly building these silo empires to ourselves where
Speaker 4: it's brain rot and doom scrolling. We're not engaging with people,
Speaker 4: We're not talking. And I get it. This isn't said
Speaker 4: with any judgment, because it is. I have found, like
Speaker 4: over the holidays, when I was completely checked out and
Speaker 4: I wasn't reading the paper, is that I wasn't watching
Speaker 4: the news. I did find that my spirit was a
Speaker 4: bit lighter, you know. And I find that at this
Speaker 4: point in life, I only want to be around the
Speaker 4: people I know. I don't necessarily want to be around
Speaker 4: new people. Angela knows. If we're all going to dinner,
Speaker 4: and Angel's like, oh I'm going to bring someone, We're
Speaker 4: all like, we don't know them, you know, we is not.
Speaker 3: Them? Well what our questions are to Angela? Like you
Speaker 3: mean this with us? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I know, Angela and no new friends, no friend just
Speaker 4: using I'm more likely to invice. But even that I
Speaker 4: just know, but I know it's against the rule. It's
Speaker 4: our machete dinner. If our is our native land dinner.
Speaker 4: If it's the three of us kicking it, it is.
Speaker 4: We are not like new friends kind of people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not inside the inside the safe bubble, but
Speaker 1: they can have new friends individually, but not in the
Speaker 1: side safe mostly because who wants to put up with
Speaker 1: performative exactly right?
Speaker 4: Genuine authentic matters so much. But I do find myself
Speaker 4: increasingly alone, and it has been so normalized to the
Speaker 4: point where if I'm getting dressed going out to see people,
Speaker 4: that is a big, huge deal. And I'll tell you
Speaker 4: more often than not, I mad at you about that.
Speaker 3: I'm with you tif well.
Speaker 4: When you first of all, when you were in town
Speaker 4: for the sea, I would say I'm.
Speaker 1: Mad at that. I'm not mad. I know that you
Speaker 1: were sick. I know that you were sick and your
Speaker 1: plight was still but I am a little mad. Breaking
Speaker 1: news for those of you who do not know us
Speaker 1: inside the save bubble. I think out of the three
Speaker 1: of us, I'm the most spoiled and probably the most
Speaker 1: brady about it. So I have an unreasonable expectation that
Speaker 1: when I call these negroes, they pick up the phone.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, And so.
Speaker 3: I don't call I know you in this hotel.
Speaker 1: Right, Like I don't call much, but like when I call,
Speaker 1: it's either an emergency, I got something real funny to
Speaker 1: tell you, or I got some real good like most
Speaker 1: of time was real good. It's about money. So I'm
Speaker 1: just like, please pick up my call because I'm not
Speaker 1: calling you for well, I can't say I'm never calling
Speaker 1: you freviously, but nine times I understand I'm not calling
Speaker 1: you previously. So I would like for your New Year's
Speaker 1: resolution to be just one in five? Can you just
Speaker 1: answer one in five calls?
Speaker 4: And so much? All about that a little bit the phone.
Speaker 4: So part of the reason why I and I missed.
Speaker 4: I faced the Vice president y'all twice because I was
Speaker 4: not answering my phone.
Speaker 1: Is keep but I'm talking about you.
Speaker 4: But but I'm not looking at my phone as my
Speaker 4: poont like my phone will be in another room and
Speaker 4: it'll be I keep it away from me sometimes.
Speaker 3: But because I.
Speaker 4: Have but I have so many miscalls, not that I'm
Speaker 4: like popping like that, but everybody be blowing me up.
Speaker 4: I have so many miscalls that I don't always look
Speaker 4: through and see because I'll tell you it is overwhelming
Speaker 4: to yeah, you that many times for it to be overwhelming.
Speaker 1: If you evening and if you give me a spa
Speaker 1: and it'll still good, you know. But I get you, yes,
Speaker 1: because if you remove yourself from it and just look
Speaker 1: at like it's this device that's living and breathing and
Speaker 1: begging for my ads, I want to right.
Speaker 4: I want to throw it out the winter. I typically
Speaker 4: go through and look at my you know, text or miscalls,
Speaker 4: and so when I'm trying to be present, and I
Speaker 4: definitely don't when I'm with people. I'm not looking at dinner.
Speaker 4: I'm not looking at my phone to say, if you
Speaker 4: live here and you said, hey, let's go to breakfast
Speaker 4: on Tuesday at night, I'm there. Let's have drinks on
Speaker 4: Wednesday breakfast. But I guess I think the point I'm
Speaker 4: making about is being attached to the phone and attached
Speaker 4: to these devices.
Speaker 3: And connect the attachment to those devices. It is much
Speaker 3: more that I think you hit on it. This anxiety,
Speaker 3: the energy that it takes to do a thing is
Speaker 3: a term that you all have helped me grow more
Speaker 3: accustomed to the thing that used to cost me nothing innes.
Speaker 4: It takes so much to even look at my phone.
Speaker 4: It takes so I'm.
Speaker 3: Because I feel the anxiety weigh down on me like this.
Speaker 4: In an unhealthy way. It's like an elephant on my
Speaker 4: chest and got I'm going down a roller coaster. That's
Speaker 4: what it feels.
Speaker 3: My phone goes a ringer when we leave kids with sitters. Otherwise,
Speaker 3: let me tell you, Like Christmas, I had the best time.
Speaker 3: This is getting to your point, Tiffany. I didn't know
Speaker 3: it was what I needed. But we had like thirty
Speaker 3: I mean my mother, my father in law, my father,
Speaker 3: my mother in law, my wife of godmother stayed with us,
Speaker 3: and I mean we fourteen sixteen people in the house,
Speaker 3: air mattresses everywhere. My kids weren't on their tablets, we
Speaker 3: were playing outside, we were talking, we were laughing. We
Speaker 3: spent the whole day in the house, never leaving and
Speaker 3: never getting bored. And I couldn't tell you where my
Speaker 3: phones were for about twelve days. I going to my
Speaker 3: friends who were like, we texted your America. I'm so
Speaker 3: sorry because I know you wish me and Mary Christmas,
Speaker 3: and when we see each other, we're gonna love and
Speaker 3: we're gonna embracing this that but that time that energy
Speaker 3: is spent again. I would not have written it in
Speaker 3: my wishless things to do, but when it happened, it
Speaker 3: was exactly what I needed. And I think it was
Speaker 3: that way for everybody who was in our space. Angela,
Speaker 3: do you hosted folks and you were like, I have
Speaker 3: the vibe days.
Speaker 4: On days it was good. But Angela, you're very responsive,
Speaker 4: and I like, one first station I have is when
Speaker 4: you're sitting with people and I've taken the time and
Speaker 4: I'm sitting across from you and You're like this the
Speaker 4: whole time. I don't like it. I never see you
Speaker 4: doing that, And I'm like, how the hell is Angela
Speaker 4: so responsive? Because when we're together, well, but if we're
Speaker 4: like about to do a live.
Speaker 3: Show solving the global problem, no, right, but.
Speaker 4: But but but when it's just like we're chilling, I
Speaker 4: don't see you like this. The whole time I had
Speaker 4: people over. Albert and some other folks came over my
Speaker 4: house over the holidays, and Albert was being silly, I
Speaker 4: have to send you the video because he was like,
Speaker 4: I don't consent to my video being taken.
Speaker 11: But if something happens, Collins and the right on the phone,
Speaker 11: something happens to be here, No, but I shout it
Speaker 11: out to be on the phone that much either.
Speaker 1: But I do take pockets and dedicate time to being responsive.
Speaker 1: The reason for that is it's funny that we're having
Speaker 1: this conversation because Leonetta. You guys know, Leonette is my
Speaker 1: best friend. She literally we were in a debate yesterday
Speaker 1: about why I should be her emergency contact. She was like,
Speaker 1: y'all never pick up the phone. So it's funny that
Speaker 1: with y'all, I'm responsive with most of like the rest
Speaker 1: of the people in my circle. My dad will tell
Speaker 1: you nine times out of ten he calls me it's
Speaker 1: a miscall, But I'm calling back in two or three minutes.
Speaker 1: I'm lucky if to call me back in two or
Speaker 1: three days. Okay. So she's like, we catch I have
Speaker 1: blown out and I'm no longer alive. I'm in the
Speaker 1: I see you. Can you please call me back? Man?
Speaker 1: But that's the thing. It's there's just pockets, and I
Speaker 1: think that some of it is from working on the Hill.
Speaker 1: I had a rule with my CBC team shout out
Speaker 1: to Steph and Brandon and Latrese and then later as
Speaker 1: Son and Fimi, But when we worked on the Hill,
Speaker 1: my rule was you return a call within twelve hours,
Speaker 1: and you return an email within three like period. And
Speaker 1: I think I try to stay that way because even
Speaker 1: though y'all are not my constituency, I feel like I
Speaker 1: owe something to the people.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 1: It's not going to be at my personal wellness and
Speaker 1: the expense of mind my health, But I think that
Speaker 1: it's not going to take much for me to take
Speaker 1: some time to get on my plate, because what gives
Speaker 1: me more anxiety than not responding is looking up. And
Speaker 1: I got five thousand text messages, and seeing that number,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh God, I don't want. I don't I
Speaker 1: just can't handle that build up. Now. I'll handle a
Speaker 1: pile of clothes on the floor, I'll handle laundry pole
Speaker 1: and I don't care. But the text messages, even my emails,
Speaker 1: I think my emails. Let me see my emails.
Speaker 4: I want to declare a text bankruptcy.
Speaker 1: It's one hundred and nineteen thousand unread emails in here.
Speaker 1: I just gave up on that. I only have two
Speaker 1: unread text messages though, but.
Speaker 4: See even the text though. So it's a it's a conundrum, right,
Speaker 4: because the anxiety you're talking about is what I face
Speaker 4: all the time, which I wouldn't face if I were
Speaker 4: attached to my phone, if I was look looking at
Speaker 4: it and scheduled time like okay, from nine to ten,
Speaker 4: you're going to clear your inbox and deal with these things.
Speaker 4: And I don't do it. I let it build and
Speaker 4: build and build and build, and then it's like I'm
Speaker 4: too overwhelmed to go through all that. So if it's
Speaker 4: something important, I trust that, you know, it will bubble
Speaker 4: to the top. And the sad thing is, I know
Speaker 4: I'm going to talk to you, Like there are people
Speaker 4: who I may never respond to their you know, I may,
Speaker 4: and I'll miss it. And it's like six months later
Speaker 4: I see it. I did somebody in your family like that.
Speaker 4: I didn't see it, and then six months later I
Speaker 4: saw that they had text me. I was like, oh
Speaker 4: my dad, this is so terrible. Oh no, girl, Well
Speaker 4: you know here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. The cold part is now we're so connected.
Speaker 1: When y'all don't respond, guess who hears about it?
Speaker 4: Oh, you tell your will. Yeah, your dad never called me,
Speaker 4: by the way, he was.
Speaker 1: He don't you as soon as he wants you on
Speaker 1: the radio show. But and y'all don't respond to anybody,
Speaker 1: not just pop a rye, anybody. I texted y'all, friend,
Speaker 1: I texted Andrew. I texted I'm like, oh, and then
Speaker 1: I got to try to call y'all and neither one
Speaker 1: of y'all going to answer.
Speaker 4: But you know what I think we should do.
Speaker 1: We talked about postponing the slang that I was very
Speaker 1: excited about, but.
Speaker 4: To get we know that don't should get.
Speaker 1: We do like our audience, so we can get their feedback,
Speaker 1: n LP fans feedback. But what do you guys think
Speaker 1: about the part of this is selfish, but I kind
Speaker 1: of want to talk about health in the new year,
Speaker 1: and I feel like this mental health piece is important
Speaker 1: going into Trump's inauguration. Figuring out how we balance all
Speaker 1: that is important. But I also started some New Year's resolutions.
Speaker 1: I'm excited about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 1: Andrew, Why did you all of a sudden get blurred out?
Speaker 4: Are you the way it did? And then you were
Speaker 4: all mute? What is going on? Remember when he started
Speaker 4: think about what you've got mail?
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: Hey, hey, everybody can't afford you all expensive Enterney, what's
Speaker 3: the what's the dude?
Speaker 1: What was the commercial in the eighties where the do
Speaker 1: came on? Max? Was it Max? The Pepsi commercial crew?
Speaker 1: Right now, that's you, that's you, that's you, Andrew, that's
Speaker 1: how you look.
Speaker 4: You look crazy. I can't even read.
Speaker 1: They're not gonna see it though. He's gonna look regular
Speaker 1: when they see the footage.
Speaker 4: Is it time for cause to action?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think we called and acted, but let's see what
Speaker 1: you doing.
Speaker 4: I gotta call it. Okay, well I'm cheating you.
Speaker 3: One.
Speaker 4: My first most important one is please vote, you guys.
Speaker 4: The NAACP voting. When does it in Angela?
Speaker 1: Do you know? I think n double a c P.
Speaker 1: I know ends on February seventh.
Speaker 4: Okay, my birthday is February sixth, and all I want
Speaker 4: for my birthday I remember out vote Andrewease. I don't
Speaker 4: know where that came from. It came from. That's the
Speaker 4: first image Awards dot Net.
Speaker 1: That's her collective call.
Speaker 4: To please vote, Tell your family and friends to vote,
Speaker 4: like overwhelm the website, to shut down vote vote, vote,
Speaker 4: vote vote vote Angela. Things were gonna have this new
Speaker 4: uniform of all black, which I can commit to in person,
Speaker 4: I don't know. On the podcast, every week.
Speaker 1: I promise on that person on the podcast News and
Speaker 1: Information on n doable a c Image Awards dot net
Speaker 1: under the Television and Streaming category. I'm giving this to
Speaker 1: get there. Okay, you should thank Andrew exercise your franchise.
Speaker 4: Yes, my other call to action is okay, so we're
Speaker 4: gonna postpone the slang mini pid, but so if you
Speaker 4: can drop us a video or comment with the slang
Speaker 4: that you use in your region, because West Coast folks
Speaker 4: got different slang than Down South folks. Down on South
Speaker 4: slang is different than Deep South slanes, different than Try
Speaker 4: State slang. Yeah sayings, you know, all the colloquialisms that
Speaker 4: define us as a people, and then there's gonna be
Speaker 4: some commonality in there, Like there are things that we
Speaker 4: all say that found its way across the country that
Speaker 4: is just exclusive to us. No matter how much they
Speaker 4: try to steal from us. We are a bottomless bucket
Speaker 4: of dopeness, of swagger, all of it. By the time
Speaker 4: they start saying it, we already and we keep right exactly.
Speaker 4: So I want to hear from y'all, what what do
Speaker 4: y'all say in your region that we might not be
Speaker 4: up on. Give it to us So that's my two
Speaker 4: calls to.
Speaker 1: Action that Andrew, what you got?
Speaker 4: Do you have a action? Not only are you blurry,
Speaker 4: but apparently there's a delay. I mean, okay, that was
Speaker 4: Andrew action year went out. Andrew's caught action is please
Speaker 4: start a go fund me for his dollars Andrew, so
Speaker 4: he can call a action.
Speaker 1: We'll pause for five minutes so you can get it out.
Speaker 3: Sorry, I'll ditto Tiffany's. Both Tiffany's calls and to add
Speaker 3: my own is and I think we'll do this in
Speaker 3: the mini pot further. But remember I told y'all last year,
Speaker 3: that was like two weeks ago, that I didn't do
Speaker 3: resolutions and themes. I had a little bit of a
Speaker 3: growth spurt on that and would ask those who are
Speaker 3: still refusing to do resolutions and those kinds of things,
Speaker 3: because frankly, they tend to remind us more of what
Speaker 3: we're not doing than the things we should be celebrating
Speaker 3: to join me this twenty twenty five and reconsider whether
Speaker 3: or not a theme, a set of goals in individualized
Speaker 3: momentum might be the thing that is needed to move
Speaker 3: you out of the way to having the best three
Speaker 3: sixty five you've ever had.
Speaker 1: Crazy Hello, we hear to that on the mini pod.
Speaker 1: Praise the Lord. I love it well. I am very
Speaker 1: grateful for you all. We are a rap at this point,
Speaker 1: so yep, okay, Andrew, I don't know where all of
Speaker 1: these accents and voices come from out of you randomly,
Speaker 1: but it's very scary. As always, we want to remind
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