WEBVTT - Would Biden Have Won? 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.080 Native Lampard is a production of iHeart Radio and partnership 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:04.400 with Reason Choice Media. 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:07.240 Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome. 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:12.039 Welcome, Welcome home, y'all, this is our first episode of 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:16.279 twenty twenty five. It's episode sixty one, and this is 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:20.160 where you get all things politics, all things culture, all 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:23.680 things us, lots of disagreement, but lots of fun. Where 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:25.040 we give you all the things you need to do 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.800 to argue with your family at home. So yeah, oh yeah, 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:30.560 what are we talking about today, y'all? 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:32.280 Hell me college? 0:00:32.280 --> 0:00:32.560 Okay? 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:35.480 Why? And what else? 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:38.440 Because you out of uniform? 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:41.760 Oh my god, I'm out of uniformer. You guys out 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:45.560 of your worm We're out of uniform. Well, well, Andrew. 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:47.440 Kind of looked like you were in a Make America 0:00:47.479 --> 0:00:49.120 Great Again hat with my vision. 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:52.960 Wonderful? 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:56.720 That not wonderful. 0:00:57.000 --> 0:00:59.640 This is my college of choice, wonderful. 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:00.880 Mind you Andrew? 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:01.480 All right? 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:03.000 What'd you guy? Today? What were we talking about? 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:06.080 Under this administration? That might be the only HBCU y'all 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:06.679 end up with. 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.600 In fill in College, but the fictional. 0:01:09.280 --> 0:01:13.200 I digress, Yes, the only one remaining. You know. 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.560 The thing that I want to talk about today is Mark. 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:17.199 Happy New Year. 0:01:17.520 --> 0:01:18.600 Oh yeah, Happy New Year? 0:01:18.720 --> 0:01:21.520 You guys? So damn well, I feel like you're rude 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:23.440 because I started off by saying, this was our first 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:24.839 episode of twenty twenty five. 0:01:25.440 --> 0:01:28.080 There is a difference between our first episode of twenty 0:01:28.120 --> 0:01:28.800 twenty five. 0:01:28.600 --> 0:01:31.520 Happy New Year? Andrew how many? How many days are 0:01:31.520 --> 0:01:32.560 we going to say Happy New Year? 0:01:33.680 --> 0:01:36.600 Uh? We debated this. I thought it was appropriate to say, 0:01:36.600 --> 0:01:38.840 you know, up untilout the middle of the month. Actually, Tiffany, 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:41.480 you and I talked about it, and you said, like 0:01:41.520 --> 0:01:42.120 the first. 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:46.080 Week, Yeah, well, what about if we have happy news? 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:47.960 That may take us out of the happy New Year. 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.480 But it's somewhere, someplace where we need the native Lampard 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:54.960 family to weigh in. We were nominated for an NAACP 0:01:55.080 --> 0:02:03.400 Image Award Outstanding Podcast Series, and I think that it 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:05.440 is time for us to honor that. We got to 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:08.160 tell the people to go vote at NAACP Image Awards 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:11.720 dot net and also someplace where there's more of an 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:15.360 electoral college system is with iHeart. We were nominated for 0:02:15.440 --> 0:02:18.400 Best Political Podcasts. Folks will get to vote there, but 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:20.880 we are excited to be nominated for both of those. 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:29.680 So yeah, awesome, awesome, awesome, thanks for bringing that energy. 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:28.600 But we do still have stuff to talk about. 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:31.720 So what I want to talk about was this was mine. 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:35.600 Mark Zuckerberg did a whole State of the Union speech 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:38.200 yesterday for about five minutes talking to us about why 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:41.240 there were no longer going to be fact checks or 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:44.000 fact checkers on the Meta platform. So I want to 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:45.960 get into that because many of you know that you 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:49.640 have Facebook and Instagram and the Two Hour One. They 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:50.959 are owned by Meta, which y'all. 0:02:50.840 --> 0:02:53.680 Got, okay, So I want to talk about So I've 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:56.160 heard from a lot of you guys over the holidays 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:58.240 and even in the new year, that you're just exhausted, 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:01.520 you're not tuning in, you don't want to hear you know, 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:04.000 what this administration is up to. And so it led 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:07.399 me to think about isolation and the fact that many 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:10.200 of us are isolated, even outside of politics, isolated in 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:13.120 our own lives, and so what that means when it 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:15.200 comes to our democracy. And I'll get into some of 0:03:15.200 --> 0:03:17.680 the data when we get into the discussion, but looking for. 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:19.359 I love it, and I think I'm ready how many 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:22.800 of y'all, how many of y'all knew that Ron DeSantis 0:03:23.120 --> 0:03:30.359 has single handedly removed at least two democratically elected officials 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:35.360 in Florida who were district attorneys in the state of Florida, 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:38.160 one of which, by the way, and that's the one 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.880 I want to talk about. Monique Worel, who is down 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:45.760 here in Florida, got removed by Ron de Santis, got 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:49.960 re elected in twenty twenty four, and now it's potentially 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:53.240 threatened again with removal by this same dictator. Want to 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:54.360 be let's get. 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:58.920 In it, okay, And well, speaking of let's get in it, 0:03:58.960 --> 0:04:00.720 I just want to do a quick focus group poll 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:04.720 to transition us. How many of you all believe, and 0:04:04.760 --> 0:04:07.320 this is the focus group here in Native Lampid, Tiff and Andrew, 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:09.640 how many of you all believe that if Joe Biden 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:11.720 would have stayed in the election, he would have won. 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:17.200 Please raise your hands? Okay, Well, Joe Biden is an 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:19.120 audience of one, and that's what he said. And I 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.000 think that's all we've got to say about that. 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.160 So what else we getting into. 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:25.839 No, but that's a great place to hear from the 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:29.000 listeners too. I am curious because it was a fierce fight, y'all. 0:04:29.000 --> 0:04:32.880 Remember we had just exploded about it two days before 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.000 the whole thing blew up and we had a whole 0:04:35.000 --> 0:04:37.600 new nominee. So I'm curious to know if there are 0:04:37.680 --> 0:04:39.480 those of you all who are holdouts, are like man, 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:41.680 we should have left that man alone and we can 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:42.440 still be empowered. 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:44.600 For some reason, I feel like that's not our audience. 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:46.760 But we shall see right, Well. 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:48.480 See. 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:51.640 Black people rode for him to the end that. 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:57.200 Oh yeah, always Well, I guess we could start with Facebook. 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:59.200 Why don't we rowe that clip from Mark Zuckerberg. 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:01.960 First, we're going to get rid of fact checkers and 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:05.680 replace them with community notes similar to X. Starting in 0:05:05.720 --> 0:05:09.679 the US, after Trump first got elected in twenty sixteen, 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:13.719 the legacy media wrote NonStop about how misinformation was a 0:05:13.760 --> 0:05:17.040 threat to democracy. We tried, in good faith to address 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:20.840 those concerns without becoming the arbiters of truth, but the 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:23.839 fact checkers have just been too politically biased and have 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:26.839 destroyed more trusts than they've created, especially in the US. 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:29.800 So over the next couple of months, we're going to 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:34.760 phase in a more comprehensive community notes system. Second, we're 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:37.320 going to simplify our content policies and get rid of 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:40.160 a bunch of restrictions on topics like immigration and gender 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:44.159 that are just out of touch with mainstream discourse. What 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:47.720 started as a movement to be more inclusive has increasingly 0:05:47.760 --> 0:05:50.559 been used to shut down opinions and shut out people 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:52.719 with different ideas, and it's gone too far. 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:59.000 So he's going really far, including moving one of the 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:05.280 content teamersible for fact checking over from California to Texas. 0:06:06.400 --> 0:06:09.479 He talks about the you know, the reason why they 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:11.839 launched this fact check team and how it ended up 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.479 really restricting folks. One of the things that I think 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:17.000 is fascinating about this, and you know, you guys, we've 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:21.880 talked about this once before around the Trump administration moving 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:26.279 to dismantle in some ways the FBI right and so 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.599 this is one of those places again where there may be, 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:32.479 as Tip would say, some strange bedfellows. We have a 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:36.400 number of friends, there are a number of black influencers 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:41.760 on Facebook on Instagram who regularly complain about their content 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:45.360 being censored and taken down and restricted. And so I'm 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.200 curious to know if this is something that is only 0:06:48.240 --> 0:06:51.279 going to be for Trump supporters and folks who are 0:06:51.880 --> 0:06:57.320 you know, spewing hate speech around immigration, immigration reform, around gender, 0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.560 or will it also be expanded to include everything that 0:07:00.600 --> 0:07:02.599 says BLM. The other thing you all should know. In 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.640 this five minute State of the Union, he says that 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:10.240 they restricted quite a bit political content on the platform 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.760 and that they are now going to open that back up. 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.640 So now I'm wondering if our Instagram mentions about to 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:18.720 be popping. That's what I want to know, because we 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:22.040 knew that our stuff was also being restricted. We weren't 0:07:22.240 --> 0:07:23.960 we would get a certain number of views and the 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.280 lights would plummet and that kind of thing. So we'll 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:28.280 see if we too will be impacted by this. I 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:31.040 want to know what y'all think about this move. And 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:35.000 he even references in this clip that he wanted to 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:38.360 have a community base of fact checkers or folks that 0:07:38.480 --> 0:07:41.560 weighed in with community notes, as he says similar to 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:44.160 Elon Musk's X. So I'm curious to know what you'all 0:07:44.160 --> 0:07:44.840 have to say about this. 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:52.840 Folks, don't jump at once. I'm jumping well. You know, 0:07:52.920 --> 0:07:55.960 I'm reminded of what happened in twenty sixteen before any 0:07:56.040 --> 0:07:59.520 of these standards and practices were put in place at Facebook, 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:03.560 and what we saw were foreign entities using Facebook in 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:08.840 particular and Instagram to target people who look like us, specifically, 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:14.560 the Internet Russia Agency spent millions of dollars on these 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:17.640 campaign ads, and so now I'd imagine Russia has company. 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:22.000 I'd imagine Iran might have some desired influence here. I 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:25.840 imagine China might have some desired influence here. And so 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:30.080 that's very scary, and I think it's it's senseless not 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:33.880 to imagine that were it more a more progressive administration 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:39.000 been elected, that Mark Zuckerberg would not be instituting these policies. 0:08:39.559 --> 0:08:41.920 I think it's interesting to look at these tech giants 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.760 who have come and bent the knee, not only in 0:08:44.960 --> 0:08:49.800 policy but also in funding. None of these people have 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:54.319 previously given to inaugural funds, and yet they are making 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:58.439 it rain on Donald Trump, which really creates I think 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:02.040 a very scary relationship between the private and public sectors, 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.720 especially with you know, President Elon Musk and his vice 0:09:05.720 --> 0:09:09.240 president Donald Trump, and all the ways that Elon Musk 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:12.959 has these multiple tentacles in the United States government and 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:17.160 he is essentially overseeing policy to regulate the regulators the 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:19.880 people who would be regulating him. So I think it's 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:22.160 a scary time. I think we are in a time 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:27.240 of misinformation, disinformation, and quite frankly, a lack of interest 0:09:27.320 --> 0:09:30.719 in any information that doesn't directly benefit us. So I 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:33.280 think we'll see a lot of danger from these policies. 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:36.600 The question I have for really you Angela, because Andrew, 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:39.120 I know you don't really traffic and social media much, 0:09:39.440 --> 0:09:42.360 but like I've pretty much I'm off Twitter. It's just 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:45.640 such a graveyard there. It's not even you know, anything 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:50.880 interesting there anymore. But I am on Instagram, and I 0:09:50.960 --> 0:09:54.200 do wonder what is our role particularly is you know 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:57.160 people on this podcast, but also you know, I post 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.920 other things about other things on Instagram, and I want 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:04.160 am I being hypocritical by staying on that platform knowing 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:06.679 what it is. I'm on you know, Amazon, I order 0:10:06.720 --> 0:10:09.960 things on Amazon, have Amazon Prime. At what point do 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:13.840 we divest and then where do we go to spread information? 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.880 I think it's you're not geting you news from Amazon anymore. Huh. 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:22.680 Well, the Washington Post is owned by Amazon and a 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:27.560 cartoonists quit just this month because she had, you know, 0:10:27.640 --> 0:10:29.920 had this cartoon where she showed the tech giants on 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:32.520 bended knee and the Washington Post refused to run it. 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:35.960 This is unheard of it's a ridiculous thing that we're 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:39.440 seeing right now that is increasingly normalized. So I don't 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:40.480 know crazy. 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:46.400 How their egos gets so twisted over a uh cartoon 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:52.319 basically uh, you know, bringing to animation the truth because 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:55.280 you're talking about two of the wealthy, the wealthiest man 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:59.760 in the world and then closely followed by Zuckerberg, and 0:11:00.040 --> 0:11:04.520 these clowns still haven't made enough money to stand up 0:11:05.679 --> 0:11:08.920 two strong men like Donald Trump. They got goog gobs 0:11:08.920 --> 0:11:12.120 more money than this dude, and they and they are 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.480 they're not just bending a need. They are weak in 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:14.800 the need. 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.560 I don't think they I don't think I don't think 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:20.959 they're bending to Donald Trump. I think that they are 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:24.400 finding ways to get Donald Trump to bend to them. 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.120 I think if you listen to the whole thing that 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:29.960 of what Mark Zuckerberg says in this I keep calling 0:11:29.960 --> 0:11:32.240 to stay in the Union of Meta. But what he 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:36.160 says in there is, you know, we we are being 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:39.760 restricted in all of these other countries, and there are 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.120 you know, there's a restriction on content, and we're being 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.760 censored and all these things, even in China. So as 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:46.040 soon as he said China was. 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:49.360 Like dang, the most important thing to him are the numbers. 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:52.560 So if he can find a way to get into China, 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.760 to stay more present and not be fined in Europe 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:58.200 or in the EU, he is going to be winning. 0:11:58.320 --> 0:11:59.199 It is about problem. 0:11:59.280 --> 0:12:02.600 I don't. I don't, Yeah, Angela, I'm just saying he's 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:05.320 the fool then, because all of us who observe Donald 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:09.080 Trump knows that Donald Trump is only loyal to Donald Trump. 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:11.280 I mean this man. You can literally be on his 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:15.040 private plane with him, you know, watching SpaceX takes off, 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:17.880 take off. One day, Hello, Speaker Johnson, and the next 0:12:18.000 --> 0:12:22.520 day the man could be torpedoing your key closing legislation 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.160 right to your damn face and then waiting to the 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:28.679 last minute. I don't disagree with actually almost the last minute. 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:30.760 All of saying is I think any of these guys 0:12:30.760 --> 0:12:34.920 who think that their flattery of Donald Trump is going 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:39.040 to hoist them into permanent ownership is going to be foolish. 0:12:39.040 --> 0:12:41.600 Donald Trump is always going to be fami and. 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.200 It's not flattery, it's profit. And to that point, I 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.360 want to run this flood. No, it's I think that 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:50.680 there will be a strategic alliance with Donald Trump and 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.560 the CEOs and how they fund things. It's no secret 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.480 then Elon Musk, right, So let's be very clear. I 0:12:56.559 --> 0:13:01.160 want to go to a Nobel laureate, Maria Ressa, who 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:07.120 runs a company called Rappler Rappler talk and hear what 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:10.320 she says about Facebook's mover, Zuckerberg's move to get rid 0:13:10.360 --> 0:13:11.440 of fact checking really quick. 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:15.720 I still believe there are good people inside Facebook, but 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:20.800 the moves like this exploits is opportunistic. It exploits the 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:24.640 election of Donald Trump, the president. Trump in his second 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:30.760 term already has a product plan twenty twenty five. The 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:36.199 man that was banned by Facebook when violence erupted on 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:42.479 January sixth is now the pied piper for big tech CEOs. 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:48.360 That just shows you the gap between values, standards and ethics, 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:52.280 which I still am looking for from tech and profit. 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:56.440 I'm just saying I think that there's the pie piper 0:13:56.559 --> 0:14:00.000 is because I and people say often like he's very smart. 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.480 I think he's a brilliant salesman. I think there are 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:05.160 a lot of people behind him that are the profiteers 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:08.600 and figure out a way to manipulate him, to get 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:10.800 him to do the things that they want him to do. 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:14.840 We saw it with Russia in twenty sixteen and throughout 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:15.520 his term. 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:20.760 So I'm just saying I don't disagree. Disagree what bothers 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:23.960 me the most about this, y'all. And if you, as 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:31.760 of our resident journalists here, know the declining stature that 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:35.120 traditional news sources have in the minds of the American people. 0:14:35.720 --> 0:14:40.320 I just pulled up Pew's end of last year twenty 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:47.200 twenty four October survey, which showed that to the question 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:55.120 of where consumers, customers received their news actual news sixty 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:58.480 four percent, get their regular news off of next door 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:03.760 sixty two percent, off of TikTok, Facebook sixty percent, Snapchat 0:15:03.840 --> 0:15:09.240 sixty percent, Instagram fifty nine percent, while men make up 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:13.680 the greater share of those on Reddit sixty eight percent, 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:18.560 wow X sixty four percent, Rumble sixty percent, truth Social 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:22.920 God Help Us fifty eight percent, and YouTube fifty seven percent. 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:26.440 So these folks are they are? They are now the arbiters, 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:32.840 the highway by which we all must travel to get information. 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:33.320 Yeah. 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:38.200 Now, obviously you know sister Hillman over there got twenty direct, 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.800 first and secondary sources, so her news going to be legit. 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:46.800 But everybody else is going to be going through basically 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:48.440 reading fairy tales. Yeah. 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:48.840 Yeah. 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:52.240 And the scary part of that is it transcends political party, 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:56.080 it transcends socio economics, you know, like people. I have 0:15:56.160 --> 0:16:01.280 seen highly intelligent people share misinformation that was completely inaccurate. 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:05.360 I have seen people who traffic in nonsense and foolishness 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.800 post something that I think is inaccurate and actually it 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:11.200 turns out to be true. So it is accessful of 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:14.640 misinformation and not everyone is always intentional. But that's why 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:18.560 I always try to say share responsibly, because the truth is, 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:22.120 it takes but a second to fact check something that 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:24.880 you know. You can google something to see if it's 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.720 true or not, or consider the source, or don't present 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:29.800 it like, hey, this is what happened. You can say, 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:33.720 according to this website that I am not familiar with, 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:35.720 they posted this, I don't know if it's true. I 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:37.840 would discourage people from sharing anything that you don't know 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:39.320 what's true. But I think we're going to see so 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:41.480 many problems with this, and then this is a subject 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.760 for another day. But when you couple the tech giants, 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:48.840 the misinformation was generative. AI, Oh my god, I think 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:53.480 we are trafficking in an error of scary ignorance. I 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:55.840 know we have a break well, and I was gonna 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:58.280 say tip on that point, just on that specific point, 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:01.920 the SEO of Rappler actually talks about AI as it 0:17:01.960 --> 0:17:04.280 relates to this whole concept. I hope you guys take 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:05.960 a listen to that interview. It's really powerful. 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.560 Shout out to our EP Lauren Hansen for telling us 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.840 about it. It is incredible. And she even says, and 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:14.760 Martin Zuckerberg may be on the receiving end of this 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:18.120 because there was a genitive AI post about him right 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:21.240 after he made this announcement to really test how serious 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:23.760 he was about fact checking. So not only are people 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:25.320 gonna have to cite the source, now they're gonna have 0:17:25.320 --> 0:17:28.480 to dig a little different to find a source familiar 0:17:28.480 --> 0:17:30.600 with that doing decimal system. And I will be back 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:32.840 on the other side of this break is. 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:49.160 So Tiff and Azela, I know we got to move 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:51.560 on to the next topic, but I am curious, do 0:17:51.640 --> 0:17:54.240 you think, just just picking up from what we just 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:57.800 discussed around this technology and merger with politics, do you 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.000 think there's ever been a time in the American police 0:18:00.520 --> 0:18:07.960 economic system where the allies ship of big money, big industry, 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:13.760 and politics weren't always working together, handing glove in some 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:20.600 way toward greater profit profit margins for yes, the big barons, 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:24.560 but also for the elected officials who were in part 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:28.560 recipients of their largest through political support, so on and 0:18:28.600 --> 0:18:30.800 so forth. You know as well as I do studying 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:34.160 history that the big barons of the day, the big tycoons, 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.480 could pick up the phone and get directly to the 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:39.240 president of the United States. They could pick up the 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:43.160 phone and get directly to heads of foreign nations. That's 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:46.560 just how sympotical the relationship is. I'm just I guess 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:49.359 the question for me is is there anything really new here? 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:52.240 I don't think so, but this kind of puts me 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:54.320 in mind of that. I thought you were gonna talk 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:57.800 about the viewer question. Politicians are listening to you. 0:18:58.280 --> 0:18:59.080 Oh, I didn't know that. 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:01.680 Well, when you said bring us with a question, I 0:19:01.720 --> 0:19:03.359 thought I didn't know it was gonna be your question. 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:06.160 But I actually like the question you're asking because there's 0:19:06.200 --> 0:19:09.320 never been a time, no, I mean, even the inception 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:15.440 of America, the enslavers were the power brokers the people 0:19:16.440 --> 0:19:21.600 right exactly exactly can we play that? Yeah? 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:23.199 I love to hear it now that you mentioned it. 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:27.280 Yeah, I didn't see the whole thing, but I think 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:30.399 she was asking about like who, something about intelligence and 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:31.359 who people are listening to. 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:33.600 Okay, what up Native Land. 0:19:33.640 --> 0:19:36.160 This is Craig and Brooklyn. I just have a quick 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:38.000 question for you. Got well before I get answered my question. 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:40.760 Happy holidays and I hope you all have a blessed 0:19:40.760 --> 0:19:45.359 New Year. But my question is this. Once a friend 0:19:45.400 --> 0:19:48.119 of mine in grad school asked me this question. She 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:51.840 was from the West Coast. She said, Craig, where is 0:19:51.880 --> 0:19:57.800 the black intelligentsia hang out in Brooklyn? And I honestly 0:19:57.800 --> 0:20:00.240 couldn't answer the question. I don't know if I can 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:03.040 answer it now, but it did start making me think 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.720 about this question about the intelligencia. I've been thinking about 0:20:05.760 --> 0:20:09.359 your last episode when you were talking about Shavel versus Deep, 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:14.600 and I'm thinking, okay, So the role of the intelligencia, 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:16.880 according to some of my further reading after I didn't 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:19.600 know what the hell of intelligencia was, is that their 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:26.960 role has been to influence politics, influence culture. You know politicians, 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:31.280 I guess in that time looked at them for advice 0:20:31.320 --> 0:20:34.040 on how to run the world, and you know, how 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:39.280 to lead the culture. My question is, is there an 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:43.800 erosion of the intelligencia in this country right now? Or 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:47.879 have you reached the point where politicians and leaders don't 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:49.640 really listen to intellectuals anymore? 0:20:50.000 --> 0:20:50.560 Thoughts on this? 0:20:51.720 --> 0:20:54.880 Let me know, happy to yeah, y'all. 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:57.280 Can I just say before we get into the question, 0:20:57.320 --> 0:21:00.240 and maybe there's a sign that maybe we should be 0:21:00.280 --> 0:21:02.119 reading the tea leaves because the brother had on a 0:21:02.200 --> 0:21:04.280 only fan shirt. So my question is should we have 0:21:04.400 --> 0:21:12.560 only This is what happens when the intellectuals meet the dummies. 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:15.040 I just I'm focused on. 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:23.520 The only fashion the intelligencia only fans page. What would 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:24.119 that look like? 0:21:24.280 --> 0:21:25.200 What you think they're doing? 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:30.800 That am called tips toes. I was gonna say, I 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:32.400 don't want to show my feet, but we can show 0:21:32.440 --> 0:21:35.520 my toes. I don't want to see my face, but 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:38.520 if I can make me some coins showing my toes, 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:42.040 I'm okay with that. I don't want anybody know what 0:21:42.080 --> 0:21:42.639 this means. 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:45.920 A red lobster is different as the people from. 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:48.240 The ankles down. If y'all want to see my feet 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:50.960 and y'all can pay me in red lobster gift cards, 0:21:51.880 --> 0:21:58.200 look cars, this man is. It's all about intelligency, y'all. 0:21:58.280 --> 0:22:02.720 Ended up in conversation of the entire pub the intelligencia. 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:05.080 He's like, they don't know where they are, like where 0:22:05.080 --> 0:22:05.880 they are not here? 0:22:07.480 --> 0:22:09.400 I think a lot of people are wondering though, like 0:22:09.600 --> 0:22:10.840