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Speaker 2: Touchdown Trey McBride. Heck of a play by the all

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Speaker 2: world tight end Trey McBride. Oh that was nasty right there,

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Speaker 2: right slam the ground by Buddha Baker like a torpedo.

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Speaker 2: He came flying into the backfield. I ain't scared of nobody.

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Speaker 1: Here's Paul calvic.

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Speaker 2: So asked former Pro bowler Lorenzo Alexander during the Red

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Speaker 2: Sea Report. So would you would you trade the Pro

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Speaker 2: Bowl for a spot on the all combined team. It's

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Speaker 2: one of a series of dumb questions I'm gonna pose

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Speaker 4: Shot Danny, there's.

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Speaker 2: Gonna be dumb questions.

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Speaker 4: Question. Two of the three of us a dumb question, right.

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Speaker 2: Were at the combine. One of us was not at

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Speaker 2: the combine, So I need to sort of catch up.

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Speaker 2: I'll ask questions accordingly. I'll interview the two of you,

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Speaker 2: speaking to two out of three. If only one of

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Speaker 2: the three of you who went to the combine, counting

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Speaker 2: also for Craig Griolu, which one of you three would

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Speaker 2: have made the all combined team. In terms of Cardinals coverage,

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Speaker 2: Darren Urban, Danny Sirek, yours truly Polly podcast over here me.

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Speaker 4: Thanks for coming, everybody, good night.

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Speaker 3: Do you disagree.

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Speaker 2: Tooting her own horn, lighting her own lamp?

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Speaker 4: I mean Craig was pretty good too.

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Speaker 3: Craig was pretty good. I mean eleven, I think I

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Speaker 3: did some heavy, heavy.

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Speaker 2: Coverage, eleven interviews. What what was Is that the all

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Speaker 2: time record in terms of no.

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Speaker 3: I think two years ago, I think we did closer

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Speaker 3: to fourteen or sixteen. It was no offence Craig kind

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Speaker 4: So No.

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Speaker 3: Eleven was very manageable.

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Speaker 2: Okay, But in terms of star power, name recognition, I mean,

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Speaker 2: this year's got to be up there, right, It was

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Speaker 2: a lot.

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Speaker 3: Of repeat guests. I mean a lot of guests as

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Speaker 3: national reporters or draft analysts. So Daniel Jeremiah Field Yates,

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Speaker 3: Jordan Reid from ESPN, Cynthia Freelan from NFL Network, Dan Brugler,

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Speaker 3: who writes The Beast, which is hundreds of pages with

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Speaker 3: information on every player that will end up getting drafted,

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Speaker 3: which I know is something that we as an editorial

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Speaker 3: staff like to use as a tool in our draft preparation.

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Speaker 3: We had, We had a long list of people. Charles

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Speaker 4: Kreig gets a lot of bro hugs because there's he

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Speaker 4: knows them so well.

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Speaker 2: Now, so there's The Beast, which is a written document,

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Speaker 2: and then there's sort of like Danny calling her own shot,

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Speaker 2: naming herself. There was Ruben Bain junior one.

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Speaker 4: That got waived at by Pat McAfee.

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Speaker 3: So that's true saying I did a hand. I did

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Speaker 3: majority of those podcast interviews with Craig. I did some

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Speaker 3: so you could take a break, Paul, what more do

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Speaker 3: you want from me?

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Speaker 4: Wow?

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Speaker 2: Receiving Doune to this one, it was sort of a

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Speaker 2: light week and Cardinals Burgyah for you. It was a

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Speaker 2: little bit, a little bit we were out and about

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Speaker 2: though the show was out and about. I highly recommend it.

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Speaker 2: So where was I going with this? Oh? There was

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Speaker 2: the Monster self proclaimed nickname by Ruben Bain Junior called

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Speaker 4: I did enjoy that though.

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Speaker 2: That was a good one. The Pat McAfee though here,

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Speaker 2: Was that truly organic? Is there? Was that because a

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Speaker 3: I don't even think AQ was on the show all week.

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Speaker 3: I asked Pat McAfee. Uh, so where we're standing there?

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Speaker 3: And I turned around and Pat McAfee and the four

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Speaker 3: If Pat was the next commercial break, he introduced himself

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Speaker 3: Pat was talking to us about certain spots in Arizona

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Speaker 3: Here, yes, for USA Baseball. He's doing his show from

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Speaker 4: All I know is it Danny's gonna go find him

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Speaker 2: It's good to be Pat McAfee. Right now, let's just

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Speaker 2: do I think we might be the only thing we

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Speaker 2: agree on the entirety of this podcast. It's good to

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Speaker 2: be Pat McAfee, but it was not good to fail

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Speaker 2: to book a Q Shipley as an analyst, because if

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Speaker 2: this was ever the combine of short arms, this was it.

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Speaker 2: Right with Ruben bain junior compliment, No, I mean you

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Speaker 2: neeel very front handed.

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Speaker 3: Front handed compliment.

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Speaker 2: That'll cost me later. Let me change the subject here

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Speaker 2: real quick. Did Field Yates not have a walk off

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Speaker 2: Mike drop comment? Of all the fourteen hundred interviews you did?

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Speaker 2: you guys did, did he not throw in of his

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Speaker 2: but there's a chance, according to Field Yates, that the

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Speaker 3: Overall, I only partially find that kind of crazy. I

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Speaker 3: think there's a very good chance the Cardinals do draft

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Speaker 3: the quarterback out of Alabama. But not at three. I

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Speaker 2: Not at three.

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Speaker 3: Not at three. I see that as as a highly

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Speaker 3: likely option to trade back into the back half of

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Speaker 2: For business, yes, back into the first round.

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Speaker 3: Oh so much of this conversation has got to be

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Speaker 3: upside down. It's it's it's truly ever changing because we've

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Speaker 3: got milestones to hit. The first domino that has to

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Speaker 3: fall is what is the decision whether he stays, he's traded,

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Speaker 3: here in Arizona, okay, then that kind and to make sense,

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Speaker 3: if you have Jacobe Burssett under contract, you trade back

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Speaker 3: up for a young quarterback who gets to learn under

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Speaker 3: one of the most experienced, well respected leaders in the

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Speaker 3: NFL in Bursett. And it's going to be the same

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Speaker 3: conversation as we kind of go into offensive line or

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Speaker 3: determine who the Cardinals take at three. I did think

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Speaker 3: though you were actually referencing the end of our conversation

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Speaker 3: with Field, where he does a lot of fantasy football coverage,

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Speaker 3: and so I had asked him about Michael Wilson specifically

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Speaker 3: then end up getting you as many points as Wilson

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Speaker 3: but she has passionately turned down the idea of naming

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Speaker 3: big fan of Michael Wilson and what he did in

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Speaker 2: By the way, random observation on Field, Yates might be

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Speaker 2: the only guy I've ever seen whose hairline is actually

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Speaker 3: It a great hairstyle, my goodness.

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Speaker 2: So in terms of what might happen at number three

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Speaker 2: don't think Jeremiah Love gets out of the top five.

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Speaker 2: It won't shock me if he's the third pick in

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Speaker 2: but Darren said, the Cardinals won't pick him.

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Speaker 3: Hand me that of him at Paul.

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Speaker 2: So, Darren, apparently you're now being quoted as the authority

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Speaker 2: on whether the Cardinals would take Jeremiah Love number three

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Speaker 4: Somebody decided somebody there was a a local radio host

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Speaker 4: who decided to point out that I had said that

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Speaker 4: they weren't going to take them at three of my

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Speaker 2: So it's more than this. It actually started on air on.

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Speaker 4: The air, It wasn't on the air, and it was

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Speaker 4: Darren wrote this.

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Speaker 3: I have something to add over here. Head one of

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Speaker 3: the dancing red lobsters from the Amanda bind Show growing up.

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Speaker 3: I have a hot take.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she didn't turn out all that well, but go ahead,

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Speaker 4: I have red lobster.

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Speaker 2: I think of endless shrimp and the powerpol of in competence.

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Speaker 2: Go ahead.

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Speaker 3: I thought they were off. They're out of bankruptcy. Okay, focus,

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Speaker 3: here's my hot take. If the Cardinals put money towards

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Speaker 3: a right tackle and a guard and free agency, I

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Speaker 3: think there's a good argument to draft the running back

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Speaker 3: out of Notre Dame, Jeremiah Love at pick number three.

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Speaker 2: MM. Wow, Danny out of the gates with a couple

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Speaker 2: of hot takes here, I.

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Speaker 3: Think I convinced myself of that. Thank you for sharing

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Speaker 3: your effident yesterday on cover too with Craig.

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Speaker 2: Really is March sweeps month around? Here are we going?

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Speaker 3: Here's the thing? If that's not what's truly addressed, I

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Speaker 3: do have to take into consideration what is a need

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Speaker 4: I don't disagree that you take a good player. But

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Speaker 3: You could say that for everyone.

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Speaker 4: But you just said it like that. I guess that's

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Speaker 3: That's what all this is. I agree, big picture of

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Speaker 4: I don't disagree with that. But here's the issue that

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Speaker 4: I have. Somebody somebody made a similar argument about offensive

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Speaker 4: how do we know that Mai Mauoa or Magie mauioa, yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 4: but that's with everybody. It's it's the same argument to me,

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Speaker 4: when you're talking about a starter versus a backup. We

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Speaker 4: There's a reason why the guy who's starting is starting. Well,

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Speaker 4: there's a reason why you're gonna pick certain guys in

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 4: It's it's to me, it's a similar argument. Potentially, we

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Speaker 4: don't the Raiders take Jeremiah Love first? I know, GENTI whatever,

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Speaker 4: Ty Simpson in the second round. Well, because Mendoza is

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Speaker 3: So, but I would just quickly counter of they took

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Speaker 4: And I guess for me, it's always for me, it's

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Speaker 4: always gonna come back to I do. I'm I am

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Speaker 4: I don't in today's football, which is drastically different than

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Speaker 4: In today's football, it does not make sense to me

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Speaker 4: just doesn't. And there are other people are gonna argue,

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Speaker 4: you're so stupid, Darren. We need playmakers. He's the best

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Speaker 4: playmaker in the draft. And maybe he is, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Well, no running back has been taken top five in

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Speaker 4: So good running back, but also so and on a

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Speaker 2: And the Will Anderson Junior might actually be further evidence

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Speaker 2: So okay, you know, is David Bailey that guy could

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Speaker 2: I'm not an RVL rece guy because he doesn't have

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Speaker 4: I'm a little Yeah, we've been through the wars on that.

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Speaker 2: No definitive position, no chance. I'm going number three overall.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And I am in the camp of you guys

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Speaker 3: say you're not attacking offensive line and for agency, who's

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Speaker 3: gonna block for him? Right where? If you have a

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Speaker 4: That's what happened at Gent last year with the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: Again, you can take him number six, but he's going nowhere.

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Speaker 3: The whole point is none free agency and what kind

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Speaker 2: I mean, the Patriots land in Morgan Moses is their

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Speaker 2: The Bears traded for Joe Tooney and another interior offensive lineman.

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Speaker 2: All Bears just lost Drew Dolman. They're all pro center

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Speaker 4: And the other thing too is and again it's not

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Speaker 4: all about necessarily being balanced. But right now, in my opinion,

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Speaker 4: you have a playmaker on offense and trade McBride. You

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Speaker 2: It's a very good point, which brings up one of

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Speaker 3: To an amos number dumber than how we started.

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Speaker 2: I just want to say though, that that talking about

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Speaker 2: But there's not even a second quarterback. So how can

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Speaker 2: But here's what we're going with now effective immediately with

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Speaker 4: Rolling, I need to cut you off. Oh you got

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Speaker 4: breaking news to everyone that supported me and showed kindness

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, sorry, I failed us. I wish this community

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Speaker 3: Breaking news. That was one minute ago.

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Speaker 4: Yes, the team has told him he's being cut, so

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Speaker 4: that's that. I guess we can Chae is the shift

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Speaker 4: Let's make it clear, like, first of all, this is

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Speaker 4: Adam Schefter said it's the first day of the new

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, so yeah, so now what Okay, So

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Speaker 4: Well, apparently there's still the outside chance he could get traded,

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Speaker 3: Why would you?

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Speaker 2: But guess what, the salary cap just went up over

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Speaker 2: to focus primarily on the draft. So that's for the

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Speaker 2: being counters and the kaponomics. As for the quarterback position itself,

439
00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,640
Speaker 2: we've seen a variety of different reports about who could

440
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 2: be next. We even started this morning with Mike Tannenbaum

441
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 2: on ESPN Radio, the former New England GM or the

442
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:43,200
Speaker 2: Jets GM, talking about Daniel Jones to the Cardinals. Well,

443
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 2: that's not going to happen because the Colts just put

444
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 2: a transition tag on Daniel Jones. There's Malik Willis in

445
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:53,360
Speaker 2: those connections, potentially out there. Nathaniel Hackett worked for Green

446
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 2: Bay last year. Obviously, Mike Laflor, brother of Matt Lafleur,

447
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,159
Speaker 2: but Malik Willis has also been rumored or linked to

448
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 2: the Dolphins with regularity because of Jeff Hafley, the Packers

449
00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator. Last couple of years. We've seen multiple reports

450
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,480
Speaker 2: on Jimmy G. Something we speculated on right after Michae

451
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,240
Speaker 2: Lafleur was hired here at Cardinals underground because they have

452
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,879
Speaker 2: a long history together and Jimmy G is going to

453
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Speaker 2: be a free agent.

454
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Speaker 3: You you called that, Paul, You did bring that name

455
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Speaker 3: up a couple of weeks ago.

456
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Speaker 2: So it's Jeremy Fowler saying Jimmy G heading to the

457
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 2: Cardinals is a strong option. Cardinals have interest, according to Foller,

458
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:31,600
Speaker 2: and Michae Laflor is considered very close with Garoppolo. Now,

459
00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,560
Speaker 2: a lot of people look at Cooppolo and Jacobe Burssett

460
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 2: one year apart, do you really see that much of

461
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 2: a distinct difference. Well, one guy's really familiar with the

462
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 2: floor system and what he wants to run, so not

463
00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 2: unlike Drew stand coming with Bruce Arians Once upon a time,

464
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,600
Speaker 2: there's a comfort level that comes with a brand new

465
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 2: head coach having one of his quarterbacks. We've seen rogue

466
00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 2: reports about Tyson Bagent and then the whole Ty Simpson

467
00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 2: connection for the Cardinals, maybe trading back in and number

468
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,520
Speaker 2: twenty eight with Houston according to ESPN that the Cardinals

469
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 2: could consider that, but the KB question is now official.

470
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Speaker 2: It needs to be answered and whether it's going to

471
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Speaker 2: be Jacoby Brissett and rookie to be which to me

472
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Speaker 2: is probably the most likely scenario I would think, just

473
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Speaker 2: in terms of probability being realistic, considering the work Jacoby

474
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Speaker 2: Brissett did with Drake May two years ago. I mean,

475
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 2: you couldn't find a better mentor as a veteran quarterback.

476
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Speaker 3: Whether it's Brissette, whether it's a name like Jimmy g

477
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Speaker 3: I think that is a very likely scenario. And then

478
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Speaker 3: we go back to the draft of how likely it

479
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Speaker 3: could be a possibility of drafting a quarterback high on

480
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Speaker 3: Day two, maybe training back into the back end of

481
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Speaker 3: round one. If there's a quarterback that the Cardinals like,

482
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Speaker 3: you know, the question's kind of been answered, but there's

483
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,880
Speaker 3: still questions on what you do. Right, do you give

484
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Speaker 3: money to somebody like Malik Willis who's only played a

485
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 3: handful of games but does have some background and experience

486
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Speaker 3: with people on this coaching staff and in the front office,

487
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 3: or do you really allocate all of your efforts and

488
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 3: money through free agency in the draft to really build

489
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:11,280
Speaker 3: upon this team, really strengthening the edge, rusher room on defense,

490
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 3: to get your offense back on the field, strengthening the

491
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 3: depth and some of the starters possibly depending on who's

492
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 3: in free agency and the offensive line. That way, regardless

493
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Speaker 3: of who the quarterback is of the future, everything else

494
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 3: is ideally set in place, and then you're looking at

495
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Speaker 3: the quarterback in the years to come. You know, I

496
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 3: do think it'd be fair and right. Again, while nothing

497
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 3: is officially official, we don't know exactly which way it's

498
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:38,159
Speaker 3: gonna go, right, whether release or I guess trade is

499
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 3: very unlikely, but again, nothing is officially official. You know,

500
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 3: like Kyler Murray was still here for seven years, and

501
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 3: you know, yes, it was one playoff game and it

502
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,359
Speaker 3: was a loss, but he still did some really great

503
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,520
Speaker 3: things for this organization. And you know, he said in

504
00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 3: his post like he feels like he let people down

505
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Speaker 3: in this organization, but he still put up some really

506
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,679
Speaker 3: impressive performances and did some really nice things for this team.

507
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Speaker 2: I mean, the amount of jaw dropping.

508
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 3: Moments that Vegas two point conversion, you.

509
00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: Know, just just the reaction to this sideline on that

510
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 2: particular instance, just the I mean, just guys just amazed

511
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 2: when players are getting off the bench and trying to

512
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,360
Speaker 2: come to the white stripe mid play and they had

513
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 2: time to do that because it went more than twenty seconds,

514
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 2: and then to shake their head like they're watching Michael

515
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,120
Speaker 2: Jordan or you know, some of the best to ever

516
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 2: do it. That's that was one of those those moments.

517
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Speaker 2: And I tell you, it's very curious to see what

518
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: another coach has in mind for Kyler Murray, if anything,

519
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 2: you know, what do they see in Kyler Murray? Elite

520
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: skill set, elite athleticism. At times, was an elite quarterback,

521
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: two time pro bowler. At times, he was arguably the

522
00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 2: biggest headache in the league, the biggest game planning conundrum

523
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 2: in the league. What do you do when into that

524
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 2: fateful Thursday night game against the Packers seven to zero

525
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 2: and the two leading Sunday Night, perhaps right that one

526
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 2: against Aaron Rodgers, and then came edited out my retraction

527
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 2: and there they were Aaron Rodgers and Kyler Murray the

528
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 2: two leading candidates according to the NBC Open As for

529
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 2: NFL MVP. So okay, I'm guessing there's going to be

530
00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 2: quite a bit of interest, especially when he's on the

531
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 2: open market.

532
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Speaker 3: There's a handful of teams that are in need of

533
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Speaker 3: a quarterback. I'll be very curious where he lands. Some

534
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 3: of those teams that have been reported upon, the New

535
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:54,880
Speaker 3: York Jets, the Minnesota Vikings, which is intriguing of if

536
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 3: he goes there as the starter, if he goes there

537
00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 3: for competition with JJ McCarthy, the Dolphins, all the so

538
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 3: they'd have to do something with two of before that

539
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 3: decision gets made. And also the Atlanta Falcons who just

540
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 3: hired Kevin Stefanski. So there's a couple of teams that

541
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 3: reportedly have interest and definitely have need in a quarterback.

542
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 3: I'll just be curious to see where he lands and

543
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 3: to your point, how they use him with his skill set.

544
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Speaker 4: It's this has been this has been an interesting seven

545
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 4: years you know, and Paul, You and I were around

546
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 4: at the beginning and Cliff got hired. And I know

547
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 4: people don't believe this, but I believe that when Cliff

548
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 4: first got hired, I do think there was a thought

549
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 4: process of, you know, maybe he works with Josh Rosen

550
00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:47,920
Speaker 4: and they run in a different direction at that point. Now,

551
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 4: obviously that changed pretty early, but I don't think it

552
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 4: was a given when they hired Cliff Kingsbury that they

553
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 4: were definitely going to take Kyler Murray, because if you

554
00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 4: think about it and when that all happened, the Cardinals

555
00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 4: were really the first team to like get off a

556
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 4: high round quarterback like that quickly, like that did not happen,

557
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 4: and to do that with Josh to move on to

558
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 4: Kyler Murray was crazy. And then we think of that

559
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,400
Speaker 4: first game, and the first half of Kyler's first game

560
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 4: couldn't have gone much worse. And Cliff was saying later

561
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,440
Speaker 4: that he thought he was going to get fired at halftime, and.

562
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 2: I just bought the house in TV.

563
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 4: And yet they end up coming back crazy and ending

564
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 4: up tied in Kyler Murray's first game, it's a tie.

565
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 4: There were some amazing, amazing moments, but Ultimately, it was

566
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 4: tough to sustain enough, and you know, truth be told,

567
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 4: it's been a very bumpy ride since those first three

568
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 4: years really and trying to get to where you want

569
00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 4: to go. I'm gonna say this, I feel like and

570
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 4: I felt this for a while, but now that Kyler

571
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 4: saying like, I think it's it's a good time for

572
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 4: a fresh start for the organization. And I think it's

573
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 4: a good time for a fresh start for Kyler Murray

574
00:29:07,240 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 4: that it just makes a lot of sense in a

575
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 4: lot of different levels.

576
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Speaker 3: I agree, And that were some of the national reports

577
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 3: is for the last couple of months. Honestly, since since

578
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 3: the end of last season, that it seemed like things

579
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 3: had gotten to a point where it would have been

580
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 3: best for both parties to part ways and try and

581
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 3: move forward with what fits in their future.

582
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 2: You know, I think of I think at the beginnings,

583
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: you know, I think it had been two halves one

584
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 2: the first two three four years, and then the inability

585
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 2: of the Cardinals offense under Cliff and Kyler to adjust

586
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: to the adjustments and it proved to bring a short

587
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 2: shelf life at that point. And then ultimately some of

588
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: the adjustments defense is made in general against Kyler, which

589
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 2: will still be a challenge. Just teams hell bent on

590
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: keeping him in the pocket, doing anything in everything they

591
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: can with the mush rush, whatever you want to call it,

592
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 2: to make sure he doesn't escape, don't give any running lanes.

593
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: And then, however, the first half of Kyler's career, his

594
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,479
Speaker 2: downfield passing numbers were top three in the NFL, chunk throws,

595
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: the frequency with which he hit on on chunk throws

596
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 2: and explosives, and then the last few years just the

597
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,960
Speaker 2: numbers are not there in terms of his ability and

598
00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: frequency to complete balls downfield to this second and third level.

599
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: For whatever reason, I will say this to me, it's

600
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: I'm glad to see the Rams are working on a

601
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,840
Speaker 2: long term deal with Matthew Stafford and he says he's

602
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: going to be back for next season. Because there I

603
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:49,760
Speaker 2: think there's been an inkling that if Kyler were to

604
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 2: hit the open market, what Sean McVay could do to

605
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 2: maybe bring Kyler in and what would that look like.

606
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 3: I don't think that would happen for a second, considering

607
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: Sean McVay recently hired Cliff Kingsbury to his staff.

608
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 2: Well, there's that.

609
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's Also, I think Kyler's going to want to

610
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 4: go someplace where he can rehab his everything, his career

611
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 4: very quickly, and he's not going to go someplace where

612
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 4: he might be sitting on the bench.

613
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: Do you think he only considers a potential team where

614
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: he could earn a starting gig Minnesota, Yes? Or would

615
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: he think about a Kansas city where he comes in

616
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: not knowing when Patrick Mahomes is going to return, but

617
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: you get to work with a five star offensive mind.

618
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 3: If my understanding, knowing how competitive Kyler Murray is, if

619
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Speaker 3: he has the opportunity to go somewhere where he knows

620
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 3: he can be the starter, that's where I see him going.

621
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Speaker 2: And I bring that up because think of what Sam

622
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: Donald said that the key to Sam Donald's turnaround was

623
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Speaker 2: his one year with the forty nine ers. Even though

624
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: he didn't play, he was there with a very stable

625
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: franchise with an elite offensive mind in Kyle Shanahan. Think

626
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 2: about Daniel Jones leaving the dysfunction of the Giants at

627
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 2: the time, going half a season with the Vikings but

628
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: sort of getting around at Kevin O'Connell and then ending

629
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 2: up with the Colts. I wonder if there's a one

630
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 2: year plan in Kyler's mind. He goes somewhere fine tune

631
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 2: his game and his processes mentally and otherwise, and then

632
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: open himself up forbidding on the open market this time

633
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 2: of year and next year.

634
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: It's all a possibility, And now that it's again unofficially official,

635
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 3: there might be more teams that kind of come out

636
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 3: of the woodwork. So of having interest of now knowing

637
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: that's a true possibility. I wasn't here necessarily from the beginning,

638
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 3: but I was pretty close with the Murray era. I

639
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 3: started here in the twenty twenty one season and was

640
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 3: here when he got his contract the following off season

641
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: in July of twenty twenty two. And you know, I've

642
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:52,600
Speaker 3: been here long enough to understand the fans sentiment online

643
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 3: that he's a very polarizing player in the valley and

644
00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 3: people feel pretty strongly about him one way or the other.

645
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: And I think that's a multitude of what people think

646
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 3: he is in terms of the type of person or

647
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: leader they think he is, combined with how he plays

648
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 3: on the field. I do find it interesting the narrative

649
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks, though, with something I don't

650
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 3: necessarily agree with, which is fine. People have different thoughts.

651
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 3: I don't agree with the narrative I've seen that this

652
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: organization did not make an effort to help Kyler Murray succeed.

653
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 3: My understanding as someone who came in in twenty twenty

654
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 3: one and has been in the building and has been

655
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 3: here now for multiple staffs that have coached Kyler Murray

656
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: is that it seems like they gave him the options

657
00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 3: and the opportunities they had Cliff Kingsbury, which in hindsight

658
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:44,920
Speaker 3: seems like they hired him to draft Kyler Murray and

659
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 3: to have that sort of offense. They traded to bring

660
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 3: in his best friend wide receiver Hollywood Brown. They were

661
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 3: fortifying the offensive line. They brought Deandrew Hopkins and Zach

662
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,479
Speaker 3: Ertz and these veteran pieces on offense and defense. And

663
00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 3: then when there was a time high change in the

664
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 3: front office and coaching staff, they offered a different approach

665
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 3: where it was an offense that really used the run

666
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 3: a little bit more and maybe used a little more

667
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 3: play action and kind of change things up. So what

668
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 3: I understand, and people are allowed to feel the way

669
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: that they do. That's just my perspective, is I don't

670
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,880
Speaker 3: think it's as black and white as this organization failed

671
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 3: Kyler Murray or based on his sweet he filled the organization.

672
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 2: I don't.

673
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 3: I don't think it's either of those. Sometimes your chapter

674
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: together just comes to a close and it's time to

675
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 3: move on.

676
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 4: I will say this, I don't. I mean they it

677
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 4: was seven years together for both sides, Like this isn't

678
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 4: Josh Rosen who got one year and oh the Cardinals

679
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 4: made a bad draft pick, or Josh Rosen got screwed

680
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,120
Speaker 4: over because he didn't get a chance or whatever, or

681
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,759
Speaker 4: any of these people. I mean, look at one of

682
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 4: the teams that people are connecting with with Kyler potentially

683
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 4: is the Minnesota Vikings. This isn't Janie McCarthy getting a

684
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 4: essentially one year because he was hurt his entire rookie

685
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 4: year and then maybe losing out on a chance to

686
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 4: have a job if they bring in Kyler or whatever

687
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 4: it might be. I mean, this was seven years. There

688
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 4: were some good things, there were some bad things that

689
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 4: they never got to where they needed to be. I mean,

690
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think this is an ideal spot

691
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 4: to be in for the Cardinals. I don't think this

692
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 4: is an ideal spot to be in for Kyler. I

693
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 4: understand that he might find a place, but I also

694
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 4: I'm not sure he necessarily finds a team that says,

695
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 4: this is your job no matter what. You know, he

696
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 4: might have to beat somebody out, even if it's Minnesota. Like,

697
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 4: I don't think JJ McCarthy's gonna get booted to the

698
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 4: curb completely. Now, should Kyler Murray outplay him? Yes, but

699
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 4: I don't. I don't think it's you know, no matter

700
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 4: what anymore. And the issue now is for Kyler going

701
00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 4: forward is what kind of contract he signed, Because if

702
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 4: you do take advantage of the amount of money that

703
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 4: the Cardinals are paying him as a new team, and

704
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 4: you get him on the cheap like a Russell Wilson

705
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 4: Russell Wilson situation, that also makes it really easy for

706
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 4: the other team to make moves if they want so. Again,

707
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 4: I don't people are going to be a signing blame.

708
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 4: There are going to be people out there, and I've

709
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,239
Speaker 4: talked about this a million times. Kyler Murray incredibly was

710
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 4: the most polarizing player I've ever been around, either pro

711
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 4: or con. You either had people that were all in

712
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 4: on him, and you had a lot of people that

713
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 4: were all out on him, and it didn't matter what

714
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 4: he did either way. They weren't going to change your mind.

715
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 4: I don't I just don't see a thing where it's like,

716
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,720
Speaker 4: let's let's blame people. Now. I just I agree with Danny.

717
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 4: It's it was seven years and now you move on.

718
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 4: That's that's an eternity in the NFL.

719
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: Look, I mean, from beginning to end, they dumped a quarterback.

720
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: They took tenth overall the year before to draft Kyler

721
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 2: Murray number one. They gave him a massive contract extension

722
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 2: at the top of the market the instant he will eligible. Now,

723
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 2: it was a lot of consternation. Was there some regret

724
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 2: and maybe some of the manners of which it was constructed? Sure,

725
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 2: but remember they rewarded him the first off season he

726
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: was able to be. Then they even brought in a

727
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: brand new offensive coordinator, Drew Petsy, who's mantra and DNA

728
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 2: of his scheme was mostly under center, and then they

729
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: catered and tailored it to Kyler's needs and wants. And

730
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 2: so I just I'm with you, Danny. I don't see

731
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 2: how not sure what else any other team would have

732
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 2: feasibly done to accommodate Kyler Murray's seven year career.

733
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 3: I think my understanding is the people who might feel

734
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 3: that way, as I understand you're a big fan of

735
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 3: Kyler Murray all those reasons, how could you not of

736
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,320
Speaker 3: how skilled he is as an athlete, as a quarterback

737
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 3: out on the field. Number one overall pick. That is

738
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 3: incredibly exciting for a fan of an organization. Again, sometimes

739
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 3: you just realize, Okay, it's been long enough of us

740
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 3: trying to make this work. Probably for the best that

741
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 3: we move on this happens. Look, Kirk Cousins is a

742
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 3: great example, right, Look look at Baker Mayfield, who's done

743
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 3: really great things for some of the teams he's been at,

744
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 3: and it's time to move on elsewhere. And I think

745
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 3: that regardless of how you feel, right you can take

746
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 3: a step back and say, look, you wish him the

747
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,800
Speaker 3: best of luck, wish him to have success moving forward,

748
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 3: and that hopefully the Cardinals don't find themselves in a

749
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 3: decade long quarterback purgatory.

750
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's there's nones and unknowns, and right now the

751
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: Cardinals are an unknown situation when it comes to quarterback.

752
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 2: So that is it is interesting. Anything else Via social

753
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 2: media and the other developments the shefters rappaports of the world. There. Yeah,

754
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: I mean again, as this happens in real times.

755
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 4: Not it's not going to be official for over a

756
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 4: week uh here, So there's there won't be anything officially

757
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 4: from the team. You won't you won't see anything on

758
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 4: their social media channels until it becomes official. But it

759
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 4: does make for a fascinating start to free agency in

760
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 4: terms of what we might see from Kyler's end. I mean,

761
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 4: the question now becomes and I don't know what the

762
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 4: rules are on this. I don't know if this means

763
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 4: that he can start conversations with other teams now that

764
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 4: he knows, or if he's got to wait till it's official.

765
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 4: Because that's interesting to me. It would probably make sense

766
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 4: if the Cardinals did let him know he was not

767
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 4: going to be here that you know, maybe they told

768
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 4: his agent, you can seek a trade and we can

769
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 4: see what happens. I don't know. I don't know what

770
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 4: the rules are. I'm curious to know if we're gonna

771
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 4: have some kind of resolution to where Kyler might end

772
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 4: up before we get to Wednesday.

773
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 2: But do you think that maybe they made this announcement

774
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: now to generate a trade market, like let's say one

775
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 2: didn't exist. Because all the other teams were waiting, it

776
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 2: was inevitable the Cardinals were gonna cut Kyler Murray. But

777
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 2: wait a minute, maybe instead of just one or two teams,

778
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 2: there's three, four or five six teams legitimately interested in

779
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 2: Kyl Murray. And instead of trying to outbid, you're gonna

780
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 2: trade for him and give the Cardinals a Day three pick.

781
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,760
Speaker 3: Maybe I was just gonna make the point. This feels

782
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: more like the respect for somebody who was your quarterback

783
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 3: for seven seasons and giving him the heads up and

784
00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 3: the opportunity to try and get an idea of getting

785
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 3: his you know, everything he needs in line and organized

786
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 3: of where he wants his agent to really make a push.

787
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 3: You know, I'm seeing online this narrative of people thinking,

788
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 3: you know, it's an abomination, it's such a mess, all

789
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 3: these things by the organization. But that tells me you're

790
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: giving him ample time before the new leagu year even starts.

791
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 3: That to me is a huge sign of respect. You're

792
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 3: you're not leaving him hanging, You're not doing it last minute.

793
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 3: You're giving him the opportunity and allowing other teams that

794
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: might not have taken this interest, maybe super seriously not

795
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 3: knowing what the decision was going to be, that now

796
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 3: might show interest for the quarterback. I don't see this

797
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 3: as this was a complete mess by the organization. Again,

798
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 3: there's there's two parts. He's here involved, right, you'd have

799
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 3: to have two interested parties. While yes, he is still

800
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 3: under contract. You have to have interest on both ends.

801
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 3: So I don't see this as a quote unquote mess,

802
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 3: especially by a general manager who did not give the

803
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 3: contract to Kyler Murray.

804
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think you're you're smart. I mean, if

805
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 4: you me, thank you. You're the Queen is what you are.

806
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:29,400
Speaker 4: But I think that I think if you wanted to

807
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 4: keep it under wraps, you could have for another week.

808
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,000
Speaker 4: I think a lot of things are always intentional.

809
00:41:35,040 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: I don't.

810
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 4: You can say whatever you want about the moves the

811
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 4: Cardinals have made. I think intentionality is at the forefront

812
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 4: of how they operate. So I don't they're not dumb.

813
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 4: They knew if they can't officially do anything until next Wednesday.

814
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 4: If they told Kyler Murray and his people today that

815
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 4: he was not going to be around, they knew it

816
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 4: was going to get out clearly, so like that's fine,

817
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 4: and it again for me, I think it's it's just

818
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:08,800
Speaker 4: good to kind of get to the point where, okay,

819
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 4: we're able to advance the conversation a little bit more.

820
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm with everybody else. You know, it was

821
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 4: hard as the season came to an end and there

822
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 4: wasn't a whole lot of answers there, like you just

823
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 4: want to have some conclusion to this and move on.

824
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, because again, how did New England, for example, go

825
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,879
Speaker 2: from four wins to fourteen wins in a Super Bowl appearance? Well,

826
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: they nailed the head coach and quarterback Drake May was

827
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: a vote away from being the MVP, and Mike vrabel

828
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 2: Right was among the best in the business last year.

829
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 2: So it's now the new biggest question facing the franchise,

830
00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 2: the quarterback question and what exactly is next. But I

831
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 2: really do wonder if this move was made a at

832
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,439
Speaker 2: a deference to Kyler and knowing the inevitable and where

833
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:58,839
Speaker 2: this is all headed, and give them a little bit

834
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 2: of a head start, or do some of the noise

835
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: and speculation in the marketplace never a bad thing, but

836
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 2: then ultimately maybe someone will step up if there's a

837
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 2: ton of competition for Kyler's services, especially if the price

838
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 2: is right, then all of a sudden, maybe a team decides,

839
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 2: you know what, instead of trying to outbid the vikings

840
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 2: of the Falcons, who knows what Aaron Rodgers is doing,

841
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: Maybe the Steelers are in the mix, you know, the Jets.

842
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: I mean, think of how many teens potentially could be

843
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 2: in line for Kyler Murray and trying to make him

844
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 2: an offer. Well, maybe you come up with a Day

845
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 2: three pick and somehow make a deal with the Cardinals

846
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:40,959
Speaker 2: and that's how it gets a little better for the team.

847
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 2: But we'll see, we'll see. It's very interesting, I know,

848
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 2: in looking at some of the info from the combine,

849
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: and you guys were there, you know, Ty Simpson generated

850
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: some buzz there. Obviously we talked a little bit about that.

851
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: And then here was a guy who was in on

852
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: towards the end of the regular season in college football,

853
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:01,799
Speaker 2: and then I saw the postseason and I was squarely out.

854
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: But Carson Beck apparently improved his stock. Carson Beck Garrett

855
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 2: Nismeyer both raised their stock at the combine. I don't

856
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 2: know if you guys heard anyone talking about those two guys,

857
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 2: but I think of Carson Beck in particular. I think

858
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: of Tyler Shook for New Orleans, right, older guy fifty

859
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 2: plus starts in college. You go back to the start

860
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 2: of two years ago, twenty twenty four, and Carson Beck

861
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 2: talked about this as the podium in Indianapolis. I was

862
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: in line to be the number one pick in the draft,

863
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: and then I got injured, and all of a sudden,

864
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:40,640
Speaker 2: my time was done at Georgia because the next guy

865
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: was in line. So I ended up going to Miami

866
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 2: instead of the NFL Draft, and in a lot of

867
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 2: ways sort of underwhelmed, even though they went to the

868
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 2: National Championship Game. But if nothing else, I would not

869
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 2: be shocked if top of round three, the Arizona Cardinals

870
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,400
Speaker 2: select quarterback Carson Beck.

871
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 3: I didn't hear that name, but I guess anything's possible,

872
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 3: especially as you start to go down those those rounds

873
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:06,240
Speaker 3: in the draft.

874
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,279
Speaker 4: I mean again, after Mendoza, there seems to be a

875
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,759
Speaker 4: lot of speculation on not only what other quarterbacks could

876
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 4: get drafted and where, but what their actual abilities will

877
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 4: be on this level. You know, the ty Simpson thing.

878
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 4: There's a fear there because he had so few starts

879
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 4: in college. Carson Beck certainly checks.

880
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: That box fifty plus oppos.

881
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 4: You know, he's the bow Nix of this year's class.

882
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 4: We used to joke about it was funny, and it's

883
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 4: funny how much college basketball has changed. I remember when

884
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 4: I was watching college basketball when I was growing up

885
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,000
Speaker 4: in North Carolina had a guard named Jeff Lebo and

886
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 4: I swear to god, Jeff Libo played like seven years

887
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 4: in North Carolina. And now you actually have guys playing

888
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:52,360
Speaker 4: seven years of college.

889
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 2: But you know how it works with like, Okay, so

890
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson had fourteen starts, so it's a very small

891
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:02,239
Speaker 2: sample size. What did the evaluators see? They only see

892
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:07,240
Speaker 2: outside because there's nothing else to see. You don't necessarily

893
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: see as much of the flaws and the drawbacks and

894
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: the shortcomings because there's just not that much film. You're

895
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 2: tantalized by the measurables and the skill set a Carson

896
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 2: Beck at Tyler Shook bo Nix. There's so much film,

897
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 2: there's so many games. There's so much more opportunity to

898
00:46:28,760 --> 00:46:34,880
Speaker 2: be scrutinized and to be minimized as a prospect, Whereas

899
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 2: what is the old axima coaching. Don't tell me what

900
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 2: he can do. Tell me what he can do. Bring

901
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 2: him in, and I'll formulate a system or an offense

902
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: around what he can do well so that for that Look,

903
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 2: there are some things to like about a Carson Beck,

904
00:46:50,520 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 2: but I just throw that out there because if there's

905
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: obviously no quarterback at least at this point, who's thought

906
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: to be worthy of number three overall, if you're not

907
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 2: able to trade back into the back end a round

908
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:06,680
Speaker 2: one or Ty Simpson goes sixteen because people will overdraft

909
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: a quarterback obviously long track record of that. And then

910
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you know Ty Simpson isn't available

911
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: where you thought he might be available, and you thought

912
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissett was your best option among veterans out there,

913
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 2: Jimmy Garoppolo included. I could easily see that being the

914
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 2: reality when we're done with the draft.

915
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 3: You know, it depends on the moves they make in

916
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 3: fore agency. If the Cardinals bring in someone like Jimmy Garoppolo,

917
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 3: that's the same playing field as Jacoby Bressett, just has

918
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 3: more experience with the head coach, in which case, drafting

919
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 3: a quarterback either the back end of Round one or

920
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 3: high on Day two makes sense. You're trying to find

921
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 3: a quarterback for the future while you have an experienced

922
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 3: veteran in the room to get them poised for success.

923
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 3: The Cardinals decide to give a lot of money to

924
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 3: a young free agent someone like Malik Willis, possibly doesn't

925
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 3: make as much sense to move back into the back

926
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: of the first round and get a quarterback two because

927
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 3: you're showing and you're telling the world we believe this

928
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 3: young quarterback is our future. You would still keep Jacoby

929
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,840
Speaker 3: Brussette right under he's our under contract. You keep him around.

930
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 3: But it depends on what they do in free agency

931
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 3: and what type of quarterback they bring in for what

932
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,840
Speaker 3: really makes sense on how high you draft a quarterback

933
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 3: this year.

934
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:24,800
Speaker 4: I think too. And the quarterback is obviously the sexiest

935
00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 4: position and we're gonna talk a lot about it and

936
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 4: until things get figured out that I mean, that's just

937
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 4: how it is, and that's how it should be. It's

938
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 4: it's the NFL. But you have a first year head coach,

939
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 4: and what happens with a first year head coach. You

940
00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 4: have a lot of roster change. You just always do. Now,

941
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 4: in this case, it happened to be with the quarterback,

942
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 4: and when Jonathan Gannon showed up, Kyler Murray was already

943
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 4: entrenched and they weren't going to make a move. But

944
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 4: we saw, you know, a new quarterback come in with

945
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 4: Steve Wilkes. We saw a new quarterback come in with

946
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 4: Cliff Kingsbury. We saw a new quarterback come in with

947
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:01,239
Speaker 4: Bruce Arians. We didn't see new quarterback coming with Ken

948
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 4: wizen Hunt, although he did end up making a change

949
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,280
Speaker 4: from who he originally planned on using. Sorry, Matt Liiner.

950
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 4: So like, this is not crazy. It just happens that

951
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 4: we just went through a cycle with a new coach

952
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 4: that didn't change the quarterback. But that's actually more that's

953
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 4: the outlier rather than the.

954
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 3: Norm, which if we do have a random sign note

955
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 3: on the quarterback and Kyler Murray. If as I'm sitting here,

956
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 3: I mean we were prepared right for all the situations

957
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 3: to come in the new leagueyear started. But I mean

958
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 3: it's very clear based on the start of this podcast,

959
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 3: we were not prepared for this news to break mid podcast.

960
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 3: But as I think about this great content, Danny, I'm

961
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 3: not denying that two things can be true at one

962
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 3: starin as I get to culture you know, which is

963
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 3: a which is a bummer. Maybe I can speed through it.

964
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 3: But as I'm thinking through right some favorite Kyler Murray

965
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,040
Speaker 3: stories I think off the field. I think of one

966
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 3: that has to do with my family. My nephew when

967
00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 3: he was two at the time, as he was learning

968
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,680
Speaker 3: to talk and say everybody's name in my family, I

969
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 3: kid you not, we would go through everybody's name and

970
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 3: he would get to Danny and he would not even

971
00:50:09,360 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 3: attempt it, would not even try. And it became a

972
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,279
Speaker 3: joke in my family of oh, he's not going to

973
00:50:14,320 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 3: say Danny, maybe he'll say Kyler Murray. And he would

974
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 3: say Kyler Murray. He literally said Kyler Murray before he

975
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,760
Speaker 3: ever said my name when he was learning to speak.

976
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 3: And so as he's growing up, he doesn't really understand

977
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 3: the difference of a cardinal or the bird Gang or

978
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 3: Kyler Murray. He sees the logo and kind of thinks

979
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 3: it's all the same. And I remember talking to my

980
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 3: sister before his picture day in preschool when he was

981
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 3: two and saying, what do you want to wear? And

982
00:50:37,280 --> 00:50:39,919
Speaker 3: he said my Kyler Murray jersey, which I had purchased him.

983
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe not a full sentence right, but he

984
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 3: said Kyler jersey, and I tweeted it because it was adorable.

985
00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 3: I didn't tag Kyler. I didn't tell him about it.

986
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 3: Kyler I ended up seeing the tweet and made an

987
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 3: effort to not only say something online but follow through

988
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 3: in person on signing a jersey for my nephew, who

989
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 3: was the biggest is the biggest Kyler Murray fan, and

990
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 3: I will always be appreciative of the effort he made

991
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 3: with that.

992
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 2: That's cool, That's really cool. I remember when Kyler showed

993
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 2: up and I asked him, you're gonna be playing some

994
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 2: golf with Pat p and Larry Fitzgerald. You know those

995
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 2: guys are pretty good sticks. And he said, no, I

996
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 2: don't play golf. Oh you don't play golf, he said no.

997
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 2: I always thought it would mess up my baseball swing.

998
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you were selected tenth overall in the baseball

999
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 2: draft as well. Oh yeah, I forgot about that.

1000
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 4: It is funny that we like all that talk when

1001
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 4: he first got in the league and was he going

1002
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,960
Speaker 4: to go play baseball, even up until he got the

1003
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 4: contract extension. Oh, he might go play baseball and then

1004
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 4: go play baseball.

1005
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 2: And then and then when he had his charity softball event,

1006
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 2: or maybe the first one was fits his charity softball event,

1007
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 2: and then just to see a swing and him go

1008
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,879
Speaker 2: yard and you're like, oh, yeah, okay, there it is.

1009
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 2: But to me, it's just some of the bread taking athleticism.

1010
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 2: To see the frustration on the other sideline, to see

1011
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 2: defensive linemen shaking their head, just left grabbing it air

1012
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 2: as Kyler he gone right, just especially early in his

1013
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 2: career before the knee injury, just the ability to make

1014
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 2: defenders look stupid, the fear that he put into them,

1015
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: and honestly, and again I come back to this. His

1016
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 2: two Pro Bowl seasons, he was top three in the

1017
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 2: NFL and downfield passing, and it was that combination of

1018
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 2: being arguably the fastest guy in the field with the

1019
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 2: ability to hit a defense deep, and then that escaped

1020
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,479
Speaker 2: him later on in his Cardinals career. You just didn't

1021
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:38,680
Speaker 2: have the same explosive passing attack out of his right

1022
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 2: arm that you did earlier.

1023
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 3: There's always going to be things, not just with Murray

1024
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 3: but with all players. When it comes to releasing a

1025
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:46,400
Speaker 3: player trading them, there's always going to be things that

1026
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 3: are going on behind the scenes that people are not

1027
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,440
Speaker 3: going to know about, not even us. So when you

1028
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 3: see online of oh it seems like AB and C,

1029
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 3: it seems like the organization failed him by doing one,

1030
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 3: two and three. The reality is is you're never going

1031
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,480
Speaker 3: to know all the ins and outs, all the conversations

1032
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 3: that are going on behind closed doors. This is not

1033
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 3: a situation that a team an organization comes too lightly.

1034
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 3: It's not something they wake up and decide, you know

1035
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 3: what this is? This is it like that. This is

1036
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 3: something that for both sides. It's going to happen over

1037
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:20,240
Speaker 3: time with lots of little decisions that become big decisions

1038
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 3: with a big impact.

1039
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 2: And for all that, all that and more, it's not

1040
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 2: that shocking. Yes, we just got the news within this hour,

1041
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,040
Speaker 2: literally during this edition of Cardonals.

1042
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 3: It's nice of them, it's nice one to tweet during

1043
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 3: the podcast as opposed to write when we wrap.

1044
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 2: But guess what, Kyler did not start the final twelve

1045
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 2: games of last season. So in a lot of ways,

1046
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 2: for those of us who follow the team on a

1047
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 2: daily basis, for fans in Arizona and beyond who are

1048
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 2: die hards, you've already gotten two thirds of a season

1049
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 2: minus k one that decision had already been made in

1050
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, so it's officially official as close

1051
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 2: as we can get right now until it actually goes

1052
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 2: through the league transactions. But both sides have acknowledged that's

1053
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 2: the way they're going forward, and so okay. But again,

1054
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 2: I think, you know, most of us expected this to

1055
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 2: happen versus any other scenario, despite the fact all options

1056
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 2: were on the table. I think most of us expected

1057
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 2: this eventual outcome.

1058
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 3: I would agree with that.

1059
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 4: Yes, that's probably fair to say, and that's what everybody

1060
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 4: was talking about of the combine too. So yeah, all.

1061
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 2: Right, guys, got room for a couple other dumb questions

1062
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 2: for me to throw out, or should we just leave

1063
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 2: it here?

1064
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 4: I feel bad that I like cut you off in

1065
00:54:39,000 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 4: the middle of all that.

1066
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 2: I have no idea where I was.

1067
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 4: I think we're still in the middle of the running backs.

1068
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, we were talking running back.

1069
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,839
Speaker 3: Let there be an RB at three.

1070
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, let there be an RB at number three. That's

1071
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:56,719
Speaker 2: my new I feel that, all right, So if you

1072
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 2: can leverage that into a trade, because guess what, By

1073
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:00,919
Speaker 2: the way, here's my my point on that. The reason

1074
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,080
Speaker 2: I was going in that direction is, according to most

1075
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 2: sports books, the Titans a number four, are currently the

1076
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:13,439
Speaker 2: betting favorites to take Jeremiah Love. Hello, if you want

1077
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 2: Jeremiah Love, guess what Tennessee is gonna take him. You

1078
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 2: better get in front of Tennessee. Who's in number three?

1079
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:23,720
Speaker 4: Possible? I again, I think the one thing that Mani

1080
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 4: Austin Ford has made very clear, whether it's this Kyler

1081
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 4: situation where he would like to pro deal him or

1082
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 4: move around in the draft, is he's not going to

1083
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:40,120
Speaker 4: shut down any possibilities. And I do think I do

1084
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 4: think in a perfect world, if you could move down

1085
00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,399
Speaker 4: a few spots, you probably benefit greatly if you're the Cardinals. Now,

1086
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,919
Speaker 4: whether that's somebody would really want to come up for

1087
00:55:50,200 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 4: Jeremiah Love, I think that's one of those wishing and

1088
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 4: hoping things, you know.

1089
00:55:56,560 --> 00:56:00,319
Speaker 2: So when I was watching the comb and I think

1090
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:01,960
Speaker 2: I had the same reaction a lot of people did,

1091
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 2: like how did Ohio State not win the national championship?

1092
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 2: I mean, the number of chippers that were out there.

1093
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 2: So this is my last point. I'm gonna make this,

1094
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna put this in the form of a question,

1095
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,360
Speaker 2: if you had to do the draft all over again,

1096
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 2: the draft that included Fred Warner. Would you take Fred

1097
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 2: Warner number three overall? If you had to do the

1098
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 2: draft all over again then included Hall of Famer Luke Keighley.

1099
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 2: Would you take Luke Keikley number three overall in.

1100
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 4: The Hall of Fame?

1101
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 3: So Sunny Styles taking number nine?

1102
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:47,719
Speaker 2: So to me, Danny, if you don't think hot, take

1103
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:49,879
Speaker 2: I don't think it's that hot. It's Luke warm. I'm

1104
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 2: not sure yet. I'm reaching you. If if if, if,

1105
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, Spencer fan Nol is a question

1106
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 2: mark because he has the short arms and you're not

1107
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 2: exactly sure about you know, Francis Malinoa, do you take

1108
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 2: a right tackle only at number three? And then all

1109
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,760
Speaker 2: of a sudden you're looking at the town at edge

1110
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 2: and let's say David Bailey goes number two. You have

1111
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 2: Rvel Reese who's maybe a tweener or you don't know

1112
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 2: what position, and then you have Ruben Bain Junior with

1113
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 2: the short arms and maybe he really is a tweener

1114
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 2: interior green line edge. So if you're faced with that situation,

1115
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 2: the quarterback is in there, you're not going running back

1116
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 2: all of a sudden. What about Sonny Styles when I'm

1117
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 2: looking up there and they're comparing Sonny Styles measurables to

1118
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 2: Calvin Johnson, and they have the split screen side by

1119
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:46,200
Speaker 2: side six' five say measurables insane speed And Sonny styles

1120
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:46,680
Speaker 2: is a.

1121
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 3: BALLER i don't disagree with your, feelings but you are

1122
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 3: brave to broadcast to this fan base the idea of

1123
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 3: taking an off ball linebacker with your first round.

1124
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 2: Pick this isn't you know that's doing him a. Disservice

1125
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 2: this is a badass middle, linebacker sideline to, sideline seek and,

1126
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:10,680
Speaker 2: destroy absolute captain of the. DEFENSE i, mean think Of

1127
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,280
Speaker 2: Patrick willis And Navarro bowman back in the day for

1128
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 2: the forty nine. Ers and now if all of a

1129
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 2: sudden you Take Sonny. Styles work with me. Here Sonny

1130
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 2: styles is your middle, linebacker and all of a, Sudden

1131
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 2: Mac Wilson senior goes back to will. Linebacker but you

1132
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 2: also have the ability to Put Mack Wilson senior off the,

1133
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 2: edge something he does really, well get after the, quarterback

1134
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 2: and all of a, sudden that's your inside. Duo. Danny

1135
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:37,919
Speaker 2: how many games do the Arizon A cardinals win After

1136
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 2: Mack Wilson senior got?

1137
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:40,360
Speaker 3: Hurt zero.

1138
00:58:43,120 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 2: That POSITION i think is, underrated. Undervalue, sure if you

1139
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 2: get a, dude A hall of famer at that, position

1140
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,200
Speaker 2: that can transform your defense.

1141
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 3: Absolutely let's not say before being Drafted tonny styles as

1142
00:58:55,640 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 3: A hall of. Famer, yes you're, like oh, my that's

1143
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 3: the blessing and the curse of where The cardinals are

1144
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 3: in terms of being at number three and where their

1145
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 3: needs are offensively and. Defensively you could essentially make an

1146
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 3: argument for any good player in this. Draft he ran

1147
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:14,320
Speaker 3: minus maybe tight end or wide. Receiver in the first.

1148
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:18,560
Speaker 2: Round he ran four four. Six he ran faster Than

1149
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 2: Ohio state Receiver Carnell. Tate he ran faster Than Ceedee.

1150
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,080
Speaker 2: Lamb he had a vertical of forty three and a.

1151
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 2: Half so those are just the. Measurables but then all

1152
00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 2: the reviews of his, drills he made everything look like

1153
00:59:31,400 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 2: insanely easy compared to anyone. Else so it's sort of

1154
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 2: like the Year Joe thomas came out at. Tackle full,

1155
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 2: Disclosure Polly pencilnick has never played offensive, Line but all

1156
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 2: you had to do was watch the combine drills And

1157
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 2: Joe thomas was elite and everyone else is just a.

1158
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 4: GUY i do want to be careful about getting in

1159
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 4: love with you, know The combine studs.

1160
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 3: Agreed we do we?

1161
00:59:51,160 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 4: Wanna do we? Wanna do we want you to? Do

1162
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:54,720
Speaker 4: do you want to culture?

1163
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 3: Us? Sure it feels it feels like it's not going

1164
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 3: to be super exciting now based on this, news but

1165
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 3: we can do.

1166
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:02,240
Speaker 2: It it's. Daring sat put away the oven mitt and

1167
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 2: let's get. Cultured do it real? Quick, Uh danny will segue.

1168
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 3: To you getting cultured With. Danny it is not just

1169
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 3: directed At.

1170
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 2: Paul AM i the default uncultured philistine around. Here, yes

1171
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 2: he got me very.

1172
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,080
Speaker 4: Excited NOW i am on.

1173
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 3: Social media and consume more at pop culture than both

1174
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 3: of you.

1175
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 2: COMBINED i Think i'm being unfairly, Profiled but go, ahead let's.

1176
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 3: GO i would have loved to have seen That kyler

1177
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 3: tweet at the beginning of the subment and just surprised

1178
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 3: both of you with that tweet for getting. Cultured, yeah, last,

1179
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,520
Speaker 3: yep we're gonna circle back to the last time we

1180
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 3: did this segment two or so weeks ago about The

1181
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:43,560
Speaker 3: Kevin berner alleged burner. Accounts i'm, Sorry Kevin, Durant i'm

1182
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:49,080
Speaker 3: Combining Kevin berner The Kevin durant alleged burner. Accounts there we.

1183
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:53,400
Speaker 3: Go Now i'm. Speaking so since, then he has fired

1184
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:56,800
Speaker 3: his full time editorial team at his media. Company and

1185
01:00:56,840 --> 01:00:59,120
Speaker 3: do we think that's a? Coincidence? Yes or?

1186
01:00:59,200 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: No?

1187
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:02,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely, No, okay that's.

1188
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 3: It that's the first. One. Great the next bullet point,

1189
01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 3: is we missed the next royal. Wedding we missed a secret.

1190
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 3: Wedding zinda And Tom HALL i did see that yet

1191
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 3: are reportedly. Married they're co stars From Spider, Man. Paul

1192
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:18,440
Speaker 3: do you not know Who i'm talking about the?

1193
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 2: ACTORS i think A Disney channel.

1194
01:01:23,240 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 3: And he Was Spider. Man they were co stars in

1195
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 3: the RECENT i don't know evolution of The Spider man.

1196
01:01:29,400 --> 01:01:32,120
Speaker 3: Movies so they've been dating for a, while they've been

1197
01:01:32,160 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 3: engaged and reportedly had a secret. Wedding her longtime stylist

1198
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,120
Speaker 3: was the one who broke the news at a red

1199
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 3: carpet event this.

1200
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 2: Weekend let me guess it was on an island or

1201
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 2: tropical island. Somewhere.

1202
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 3: Information but BECAUSE i know that you're, Serious, oh we

1203
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:50,040
Speaker 3: need to know. More AND i am a woman of the,

1204
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:52,920
Speaker 3: people so it is my civic duty to share. That

1205
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 3: On march, Nineteenth market on your. Calendar that's the Seventeenth march,

1206
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 3: Nineteenth dare is giving out free vanilla soft sered cones

1207
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 3: to every customer to celebrate the start a. Spring what

1208
01:02:06,960 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 3: would you guys do without? Me we should go, together

1209
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:09,440
Speaker 3: we should.

1210
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:12,439
Speaker 2: Carpoy, yeah that'd be. Good, okay hit the drive.

1211
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 3: Through and then last on the list Is Kyler murray

1212
01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,840
Speaker 3: tweeting that his time In arizona is. Done so you've

1213
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 3: both have been.

1214
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 2: Culture your Walk that is a walk? Off that really?

1215
01:02:22,120 --> 01:02:26,640
Speaker 2: Is that's? Okay all? Right, well in some, ways the

1216
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 2: off season officially starts, now does it? Not sort of

1217
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 2: been waiting for official confirmation the first domino to.

1218
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 4: Fall, right although it is going to be interesting with

1219
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 4: a week between now and the officialness of. It Although,

1220
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:45,120
Speaker 4: monday tampering will start and we'll start hearing some.

1221
01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:50,120
Speaker 2: Names refresh on, Memory, Darren do all the insider reports

1222
01:02:50,120 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 2: start coming out On? Monday this these two have. Agreed,

1223
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 2: now this team and this play Every.

1224
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:55,320
Speaker 4: Green to a Deal, Monday monday.

1225
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:57,640
Speaker 2: Afternoon now does he may jump the process On sunday?

1226
01:02:57,720 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 2: Night they.

1227
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,439
Speaker 4: Can't they better. Not they're going to get in trouble.

1228
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 2: Again there are ramifications right? Now, okay so in this

1229
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 2: need to be first all the.

1230
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,800
Speaker 4: Time, now that doesn't mean news isn't going to, like

1231
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 4: The cardinals can still resign some of their own, guys

1232
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 4: they can still release some of their own. Guys and

1233
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 4: AND i further, well looking at, this it is possible

1234
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 4: that the reason The cardinals and it was reported that

1235
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 4: they can't cut him until Next, wednesday it is possible

1236
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 4: that the reason for that is that they're going to

1237
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 4: put a Post june one designation On kyler two years

1238
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 4: split a little. BIT i don't think it's a IT'S

1239
01:03:31,560 --> 01:03:33,560
Speaker 4: i don't think it's fifty to, fifty but you can't

1240
01:03:33,560 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 4: split some of. It otherwise they could just have released him.

1241
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:40,600
Speaker 4: Today SO i, think you, know there's there's. Choice there's

1242
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 4: still guys that could be released between now and the

1243
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:46,400
Speaker 4: opening of the league Year. Wednesday so there's still could

1244
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 4: be news this.

1245
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 3: Week And i'm sure once we kind of have time

1246
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 3: to collect our, thoughts well they we'll have more on

1247
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 3: this next. Week but, again JUST i think immediate thoughts

1248
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,080
Speaker 3: is respect for what he was putting out there on the,

1249
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 3: field the type of competitor he, is some of the

1250
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 3: moments he gave this fan base in the. Organization you

1251
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 3: knew if you were down And Kyler murray had the

1252
01:04:04,120 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 3: ball in his hands with two minutes to, play you

1253
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 3: were not out of the. Game so with respect for

1254
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 3: the type of competitor he is and what he did

1255
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:13,640
Speaker 3: his best to give this, organization.

1256
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,880
Speaker 2: Yeah you never. Knew you never knew what he was capable.

1257
01:04:15,920 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 2: OF i mean it was if sports is, entertainment he

1258
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:23,479
Speaker 2: was really entertaining in so many different, ways so many

1259
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:27,000
Speaker 2: different memorable. Moments there's no question about. It you think

1260
01:04:27,040 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 2: anyone takes jersey number one next? Season, yes and then

1261
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 2: we'll do it for this edition Of Cardinals underground brought

1262
01:04:34,200 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 2: to you By Pacific Office automation