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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noel.

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Speaker 3: They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our

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Speaker 3: super producer Paul. Mission control decans. Most importantly, you are you.

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Speaker 4: You are here.

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Speaker 3: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.

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Speaker 3: In a recent episode, we decided to take a break

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Speaker 3: from a little bit of what old proverbs we call

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Speaker 3: interesting times and look at surprising stories of weird atmospheric phenomenon,

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Speaker 3: most particularly the multiple instances throughout history human history where

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Speaker 3: it seems to have rained frogs and fish. And I

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Speaker 3: think we're all surprised to find that the answer is

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Speaker 3: not as simple as dare I say, mainstream scientific consensus

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Speaker 4: Believe we're gonna get to the one where it's raining

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Speaker 4: men at a later date, But today we are talking

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Speaker 4: about it raining something else while not fish and amphibians.

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Speaker 4: There might well be an amphibian tie in down the line,

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Speaker 4: but what are we talking about today? They have some

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Speaker 4: pretty fun names.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: As we mentioned in that earlier episode, there is so

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Speaker 3: much more to strange rain than ill faded fish and amphibians.

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Speaker 3: Tonight we are exploring two bizarre related phenomena things called

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Speaker 3: star jelly and angel hair. Not the pasta, but do

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Speaker 3: check out our upcoming episode on pasta ridiculous history. Sorry, guys,

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Speaker 3: it's all it blurs together sometimes, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: It is indeed a blur. Here are the facts.

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Speaker 3: Do you guys remember rowing up and hearing maybe any

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Speaker 3: like old farmer's tails or old observations about the weather.

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Speaker 3: I know, being in the South, for the American South,

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Speaker 3: for a lot of our time together, we have probably heard,

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Speaker 3: you know, someone sitting on a porch. What was our

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Speaker 3: joke last time, someone sitting on a porch sipping a

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Speaker 4: This rain, or oh there's an ill omen the foot.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember hearing that. If you are driving by

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Speaker 2: just in their their sitting positions that you know rain

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Speaker 4: I like that, you say a rain is coming?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's weird because folklore and mythoughtlogy, we've established

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Speaker 3: this in previous explorations. They exist primarily to explain how

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Speaker 3: think they're going, and why, most importantly and immediately, why

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Speaker 3: the environment functions the way it seems to function. You know,

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Speaker 3: it's I think it's easy for a lot of people

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Speaker 3: a lot of people to say, oh, that's balderdash, that's

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Speaker 3: it looks, you know. I mean, I was looking into

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Speaker 3: etymology and idioms and have you all ever heard the

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Speaker 4: I don't know why that makes me think of like

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Speaker 2: Like my parents would say that every time we went

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Speaker 2: And you know, you could go to the weather channel,

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Speaker 4: Remember the weirdly misogynistic expression of if it's raining and

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Speaker 3: Excellent. Yeah, there's an excellent little Harper's article that translates

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Speaker 4: Not feel anymore Puxi Packsatani something though, right, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of like being president. Different people in

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Speaker 4: You know, in the same way that we were talking

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Speaker 4: So it makes sense that culturally we kind of almost

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Speaker 2: I got one more for you, guys. Did you ever

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's certainly a thing we've seen with some weird

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Speaker 4: I've never looked into what causes that, but it's it's

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Speaker 3: we can't wait to hear from you. In that regard.

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Speaker 3: We also to the earlier point about the old idiom,

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Speaker 4: Oh and just really quickly, just a quick layman's description

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Speaker 4: And it doesn't necessarily mean there's going to be a tornado,

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Speaker 3: And perfect condition is very much a human concept. I

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Speaker 4: With us. We try all that dumb cloud seating stuff

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Speaker 3: a lot of rhyming couplets about weather and folklore, at

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Speaker 3: cultural terms for predictive capability and weather. If you speak

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Speaker 3: Europeans often said the following, do someone want to give

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Speaker 3: Star jelly and angel hair. Again, neither of them are pastas.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, star jelly sounds like something you'd like get in

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Speaker 3: There is a culinary aspect tied into one of these

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Speaker 4: I guess you could eat anything.

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Speaker 3: Well that's the angel hair, the star jelly'll that'll stay

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Speaker 3: gunking around. But it's also called astral jelly, which sounds

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Speaker 3: For centuries, people genuinely believe that this stuff called star

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we got to get in front of the emails

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Speaker 4: Well, we'll see about that. After a quick message from

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it turns out we have some pretty solid non

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Speaker 3: I say, we get into it star Jelly. Oh and

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Speaker 3: a quick accountability moment. In previous conversations, I called it

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, they give you. Surely there's some

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Speaker 2: Just you know, as a point of fact, guys, I knew,

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Speaker 4: Sky Jelly.

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Speaker 4: Oh, the jelly fish. They're literally like like Portuguese man

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Speaker 3: According to the legend, star jelly or star whatever you

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Speaker 4: And then there you go this flat it's most flatity.

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Speaker 2: But as far as the science knows, and really, we've

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Speaker 2: only encountered one star, and we haven't even really encountered it.

436
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 2: We've just seen stuff to it and we haven't played

437
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 2: with it.

438
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 4: And it's super stuck up in my opinion. But the Sun,

439
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:33,040
Speaker 4: to quote Beavis and butt Head, the sun sucks.

440
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 3: And if pieces of an active breakup of a star

441
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:41,920
Speaker 3: hit Earth's surface, the results will be way more disastrous.

442
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 3: You're only hearing this podcast, by the way, because one

443
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 3: time an object from space at beat me here, Paul,

444
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 3: absolutely up the life forms and ecosystems that we're here

445
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 3: before humans just wrecked the entire thing and a couple

446
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,200
Speaker 3: of mammals stuck around and eventually invented microphones.

447
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that happened at least once, probably probably that.

448
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 4: The moon.

449
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 3: So it's the hottest new real estate. But we see

450
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 3: that this stuff, this gunk has been observed in all

451
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 3: sorts of places, the United Kingdom, Texas, India, Pakistan, you

452
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 3: name it. It's worldwide, just like pitbull, mister, yeah, mister worldwide, right,

453
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 3: And so people have seen this stuff, and often when

454
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 3: people are searching for an explanation, if one entity confidently

455
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 3: says I know the answer, and people don't object to it,

456
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 3: then they accept that because it's cool to explain things.

457
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,040
Speaker 3: Turns out here in twenty twenty four. For many years,

458
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 3: the human have had pretty good scientific explanations of this

459
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 3: that do not rely on the passage of the heavens.

460
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 3: But they are gross. This is for all the Cronenberg

461
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 3: fans out there. There's a little body horror here to

462
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:16,760
Speaker 3: explain Star Jelly.

463
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 4: Right. We did talk about falling amphibians in a previous

464
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 4: episode and fish rains and all of that, and got

465
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 4: to a pretty I think, level headed explanation of those phenomena. Well,

466
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 4: we're coming back to frogs here a little bit, y'all.

467
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 4: Frog spawn, you know it. You've seen the stuff, kind

468
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 4: of it's gelatinous. It's kind of little beads of gelatinous

469
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 4: fluid that the frog reproductive material are suspended with them.

470
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Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

471
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 3: So usually what we believe now, and this is based

472
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Speaker 3: on DNA testing or biological test, and I should say

473
00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 3: of captured samples, usually what appears to happen is that

474
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 3: a given amphibian has or a group of amphibians has

475
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 3: its body ripped apart by some sort of predator, and

476
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 3: when this happens, they somehow expose or release what is

477
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: called their ovum jelly. So star jelly is actually kind

478
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 3: of jelly. The substance is reactive to moisture, so it

479
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 3: expands when it absorbs water through condensation, you know, like

480
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 3: through dew or through rain. And if you're just walking

481
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 3: by and you're like, oh, blowing me, what a storm,

482
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 3: and then you see you see this junk on the ground,

483
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 3: You're not seeing the body of the amphibian that created it.

484
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 3: You're probably also not seeing the eggs that were suspended

485
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 3: in that jelly, because the predator would eat both of those. Instead,

486
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 3: you're just seeing the left behind gunk a bunk, And.

487
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:56,239
Speaker 4: I don't know.

488
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 3: There's also a similar to our guy who invented the

489
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 3: concept of amps, there's this association between star jelly reports

490
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 3: and areas with large amphibian populations.

491
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 4: And if I'm not mistaken, the frog spawn it refers

492
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 4: to clumps of frog eggs, So they're like these kind

493
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 4: of clutches of frog eggs that are all clumped together.

494
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 4: And frogs can lay between like four to six thousand

495
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 4: eggs every time they do the thing, and apparently only

496
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 4: one in fifty will actually result in a tadpole, so

497
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 4: these are very small. But yeah, I think have you

498
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 4: guys ever seen this stuff before when you were a

499
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 4: kid and playing outdoors back when we touch grass.

500
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, my son and I encountered some of this not

501
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 2: long ago at the old house where we lived, and

502
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: we were just taking a walk and we saw some

503
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: standing water after a rain, and inside the little puddles

504
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 2: that had formed, some frogugs I guess had been laying

505
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: eggs like as the water fills up and then goes away. Right,

506
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 2: So if there's if there's a rain time over a

507
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: couple of days, then there's like standing water up We're

508
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: talking probably four to four to six inches in some areas.

509
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 2: Then when it's not rainy for a couple of days,

510
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: it goes all the way down to almost dry, just dirt.

511
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: And what the frogs would do and what this substance

512
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: and the egg sacs would do is you could see

513
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 2: them kind of hanging out and still there even after

514
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 2: the rain and the waters had subsided. But when it

515
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 2: came back and the moisture came back in, it's this.

516
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: I mean, it looks like egg whites almost, but in

517
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 2: these little egg egg shaped balls kind of and they're

518
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,040
Speaker 2: all clumped together. But then it gets kind of flat

519
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: and it gets weird looking when there's not a lot

520
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: of moisture.

521
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 3: As it begins to desiccate. The container that we're talking

522
00:31:56,560 --> 00:32:00,480
Speaker 3: about for these for these life forms is meant to

523
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 3: preserve them when the water level changes. So it's a

524
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 3: it's a thing you would understand if you had the

525
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 3: privilege of sitting around and obsessively studying frogs and amphibians, which,

526
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 3: to be frank most people have not had that opportunity

527
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:21,719
Speaker 3: for most of human history.

528
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's still weird to me that. I don't

529
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 4: know if they still do this. But you guys ever

530
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 4: have to dissect frogs in school? Yes? Oh? In school?

531
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 2: No?

532
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 4: Oh, it's for fun. Yeah, I don't know, it's it's

533
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 4: just it's I always found it odd and it's and

534
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 4: I can never forget that formaldehyde smell associated with that.

535
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 4: We also, I think we did fetle pigs instead of cats.

536
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 4: There was a time where people would do cats. I

537
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:46,640
Speaker 4: think that's what we've fallen out of fashion. But last

538
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 4: thing on frogs, did you guys know that frogs? I

539
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 4: guess probably with no malicious intent. They will often eat

540
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 4: their young. Absolutely. Yeah, that's a that's a weird one

541
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 4: for me. Frogs are amazing.

542
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: Frogs are amazing. What I would say is that I

543
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 2: feel like there's other stuff. I've seen pictures of stuff

544
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 2: online that purport to be star jelly that are, in

545
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 2: my opinion looking at the images, are not this.

546
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 3: That's yes, that's a great point, Matt. I'm glad you

547
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 3: brought that up. What we're what we're establishing now is

548
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 3: that when you encounter this stuff in the wild. First off,

549
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 3: congratulations for going outside. Please do it more often after dark.

550
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 3: This is not some kind of love crafty and formless

551
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 3: horror out to cause you harm or to hurt you

552
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 3: in any way. Sadly, you shouldn't need it because of

553
00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 3: possible bacterial contamination. Just you know, and don't be stuck

554
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 3: up about eating frogs. If you ever eating fish that.

555
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 4: Tastes like chicken. Yeah, sure. I do think it's interesting though,

556
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 4: because you know we're talking. The thing that was sort

557
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 4: of the I guess twist or whatever, or the thing

558
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 4: that made people think that, you know, there were there

559
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 4: were fish and frogs raining from the sky was the

560
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,600
Speaker 4: fact that this is all associated with rainfall. And in

561
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 4: this situation, these things aren't necessarily raining down from the sky,

562
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 4: but they happen when there are rains. So it's easy

563
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 4: to kind of, you know, kind of go from A

564
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 4: to Z and be like, well, if they happen when

565
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:20,800
Speaker 4: it rains, they must have been rained down.

566
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 3: There's also confirmation by us at play over thousands of years.

567
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:27,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, it's the same thing we talked about with

568
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: the frog and fish rains where sometimes there's local flooding

569
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 2: or you know, flooding of areas that then push the

570
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 2: wildlife out towards wherever the humans are. We talked about

571
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,840
Speaker 2: that on the previous episode.

572
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 4: And you just associated with oh rain, Now all of

573
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 4: a sudden there's frogs crawling out of the woodwork. They

574
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 4: must have come from heaven. And with the next example

575
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 4: we're going to get to, it's another case where this

576
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 4: potential culprit for what star Jelly is is actually created

577
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 4: because of these moist conditions. Moisture.

578
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 3: Yeah so yes, uh, what a fantastic setup to the

579
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 3: earlier points. The idea of amphibium predation does not explain

580
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 3: all of the star Jelly phenomena. To look to that Uh.

581
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 3: To look toward a fuller explanation, we need to look

582
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 3: at something called nostoc Commune.

583
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 2: That's just its name just is awesome. And it sounds

584
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 2: like something right out of Eldin Ring. By the way, it.

585
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 3: Sounds like a place or it sounds like a weird uh,

586
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 3: a weird weapon or armor that requires you to have

587
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 3: your incantation levels super hot or what is it not

588
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:47,280
Speaker 3: incantation level?

589
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 4: Are we like?

590
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 2: No, there's intelligence and faith, intelligent faith.

591
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 3: It requires high faith, so you can use like the

592
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 3: sigils and stuff. Not nostock Commune. Sounds like we're the

593
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 3: you would use, But.

594
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 2: That's not what it is. It's some more weird stuff.

595
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 3: It's like the chocolate milk to the star jelly. It's

596
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:14,240
Speaker 3: a different color.

597
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,240
Speaker 4: I was wondering, are there any examples of man sureley

598
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 4: in culinary circles that they try to use all kinds

599
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 4: of weird stuff. Have people ever used frog spawn in

600
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 4: Halt cuisine? Why not?

601
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: I'm sure, I'm sure of it.

602
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:29,880
Speaker 4: It seems to me like no grosser than eating caviar.

603
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 4: I guess they. I don't be stuck up. Yeah, exactly, Well,

604
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 4: this stuff we're talking about nostock commune. It's a cyanobacteria

605
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 4: that is another potential I guess suspect for what might

606
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 4: be considered star jelly. It's found around the world because

607
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 4: it's tough as nails. It knows how to survive, I

608
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 4: mean much Matt to your point, the egg sacks, the

609
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 4: egg clutches that we're talking about with frogs, they're very

610
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 4: versatile and they know how to they know how to

611
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 4: create life. They survive, they can like put up with

612
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 4: some serious dryings and wettings, and you know, and the

613
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 4: fact that there's so many of them and it only

614
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 4: takes I think one in fifty to hatch. It's all

615
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,839
Speaker 4: about being resilient. And so are these gnostic commune cyanobacterias.

616
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 4: They are particularly common in polar regions. They are also

617
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 4: prevalent in mega harsh climates like arid regions or polar regions.

618
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 2: And there's a reason for that, right because these things,

619
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 2: these things can become dormant when there's no water around,

620
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: no moisture around, for over one hundred years, and they

621
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 2: can still be good to go. So, if let's imagine

622
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 2: that a place, the desertification happens in an area right

623
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: where there's a lot of this stuff that already exists.

624
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: These Nosta communes. They're hanging out, they're very happy with

625
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: the current moisture levels. But then it all goes away

626
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 2: for fifty years or some you know, hundreds of years.

627
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 2: Then all of a sudden, some moisture comes back in

628
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 2: and these things that have dried up are they spring

629
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: back to life as though nothing happened. That's incredible.

630
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 3: Well, they're they're right on the edge of what we

631
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 3: will call extremophiles right in that they just like a

632
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 3: tartar grade. They could take a hell of a beating.

633
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,280
Speaker 3: They're a different kind of life form. But it shows

634
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 3: us how durable this sort of life form is. I

635
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 3: will point out that it is considered terrestrial or fresh water.

636
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,960
Speaker 3: And you can find it in loose clumps and soil, gravel,

637
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 3: paved surfaces. You can find it between cobble stones. It

638
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 3: kind of moves like mold, you know what I mean.

639
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 3: It also does, and this is true, it is used

640
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 3: in culinary purposes. I've actually eaten some of this stuff

641
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 3: in a salad and say, once you get past the appearance,

642
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 3: the texture and the taste, and it's worth it.

643
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 4: Apparently it has sort of a citrusy quality to it.

644
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,000
Speaker 2: Well, that's nice. I'm glad, you're glad you tried it.

645
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 2: It would definitely give me that feeling been like that.

646
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: I don't know, because it could be well, and we

647
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 2: should say here, by the way, just when we're thinking

648
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 2: about it as star Jelly in the way that has

649
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 2: been described over the years.

650
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 3: Because that's a street name for Gnostic Commune.

651
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 4: Is star Jelly.

652
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: It is, But there's different colors to it. There's the

653
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: yellow kind of flavor. There's a yellow tint that could

654
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 2: be in there. There's some kind sometimes this like green

655
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 2: blue thing that can happen, but that's just after a rain,

656
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,319
Speaker 2: after there's moisture that's been in an area, it will

657
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: be that color. If the moisture is gone for just

658
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 2: a little bit, it turns into one of its other

659
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 2: street names. What do they call it, which is butter?

660
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 3: Which is butter? I'm so glad you mentioned that, Yeah,

661
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 3: which is.

662
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 2: Like a dark brown like black color.

663
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 3: As it begins to desiccate. Yeah, it's also oh god,

664
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: I don't want to do the whole translation, but basically,

665
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 3: the way it's sold to people in Asia, it translates

666
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 3: to like after the rain mushroom or post rain mushroom.

667
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,120
Speaker 3: So it sold the way you would sell a mushroom.

668
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I feel like man, I feel like I've

669
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,400
Speaker 2: had some too, like just unknowingly hanging around Beauford Highway

670
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 2: or something. But just because I've eaten stuff in a

671
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:30,480
Speaker 2: salad and in soups before, that looks eerily familiar to

672
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: the images I'm seeing right now this stuff. Well, the

673
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: other thing was when it is dry and crusty, right,

674
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: it looks there's no rain.

675
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 3: When it's gone from snotty to boogery, yes.

676
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 2: But then but also dry looking, right. I imagine if

677
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,360
Speaker 2: it was in grass especially or just in a field,

678
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 2: you wouldn't even see the stuff because there's other things

679
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: growing above it it. It looks kind of like the

680
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,399
Speaker 2: dirt maybe. But then after the rain and it gets

681
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: the hues to it, and it becomes a little more again,

682
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: kind of sparkly with the moisture.

683
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 3: And it absorbs and expands with moisture, just like the

684
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 3: just like the frog jelly.

685
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're way more likely to notice it hanging out

686
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 2: down there, so you can see why after the rain.

687
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 2: You know, after a meteor shower, even you're like, oh,

688
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: what the heck.

689
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,320
Speaker 3: Is this, especially if there's a meteor shower that happens

690
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 3: to coincide with rain. Right now, it's no longer just

691
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 3: some cool stuff in a salad. Now it's a sign

692
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 3: from the divine we speaking of. We've got a sign

693
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,959
Speaker 3: that is going up right now that tells us we

694
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 3: need to pause for a word from our sponsors and

695
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 3: get into angel hair phenomenon. Quick disclaimer, folks, there's a

696
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 3: lot of Iraqnet conversation coming up, So if you're a

697
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 3: person with the ractophobias, forward a little. We're back angel

698
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 3: hair all right, Okay, so we talked about this. A

699
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 3: little angel hair is wispy strands of some sort of

700
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 3: substance that appears to fall from the sky as in

701
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 3: human witnesses have on multiple occasions described watching it lose

702
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 3: elevation and hit the ground, and for many, many years

703
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 3: millennia even people claimed this was a divine thing of

704
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 3: some sort. We mentioned strands from the torn veil of

705
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 3: the Catholic figure the Virgin Mary. We've mentioned also knitting,

706
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:53,280
Speaker 3: the idea that you know, the apocryphal kind of story

707
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 3: of Virgin Mary and knitting, and we know it's been

708
00:42:56,040 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 3: seen in France, Finland, Canada, all over the northern hemisphere,

709
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 3: the southern hemisphere as well. But here's the bag of badgers.

710
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 3: For most of human history, the claim was we don't

711
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 3: know what this is because it disappears every time we

712
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 3: try to analyze or measure it. And who are we

713
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 3: to interfere with these signs from God? And I'm not

714
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 3: trying to sound snarky. I'm not being anti religious at all.

715
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 3: This is what people would say. They'd say, I saw

716
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: this thing. I don't have physical proof. It evaporated before

717
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 3: I could bring it to you.

718
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 2: Yes, and there are tales of scientists. Again, these are

719
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 2: tales of scientists who have attempted to get a sample,

720
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: put it into a jar, something translucent that they could see, Yes,

721
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: there are stuff in this jar. They take it on

722
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 2: their way to the laboratory or the house or wherever

723
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 2: they're going to actually study it. And by the time

724
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 2: they arrive, or they by the time they at least

725
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 2: are ready to take the top off of that jar

726
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: and look at the stuff, it's gone, or it's dissipated

727
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:02,719
Speaker 2: into some other substance or nothingness, mostly disappeared. Is what

728
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:05,760
Speaker 2: is at least written down.

729
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, which also kind of leans into the folkloric aspect.

730
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 4: Right.

731
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: Even the UFO stories are often folklore. As we said,

732
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 3: the names and the terminology change, but the plot remains

733
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 3: much very similar.

734
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 4: Right.

735
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 3: So, abducted by fairies, wish I could prove it to you.

736
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 3: Abducted by UFOs, Wish I could prove it to you,

737
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 3: But the evidence just seems to dissipate. This happens even

738
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 3: in the modern day. In twenty fourteen, there was a

739
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 3: rain of angel hair phenomena in Portugal and it happened

740
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 3: not just one weekend, but two consecutive weekends, and so

741
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 3: there was a lot of scuttle. But there was a

742
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 3: witness who said, I captured a sample of this. It

743
00:44:55,120 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 3: was analyzed and when it was subjected to infrared light,

744
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 3: nothing happened. When it was subjected to UV ultraviolet light.

745
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 4: It came alive. Uh.

746
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 3: There was no report on what that meant.

747
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 2: And that was also an anonymous person that spoke to

748
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: somebody and Metro dot co dot UK ended up writing

749
00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: about it in twenty fourteen and it's like a three

750
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: paragraph each on one or two sentences, and it was just.

751
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 3: Like the thing is, if you go to the original

752
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:33,400
Speaker 3: Portuguese sources. They it's there's more writing about the locale

753
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 3: and the circumstances. Really yeah, but there's no there's no

754
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:44,239
Speaker 3: citation of the source who was making these claims, and

755
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 3: there's no explanation of what came alive means, and there's

756
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 3: no follow up in any language we can find about

757
00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 3: what happened to this alleged source, which leads us to

758
00:45:57,360 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 3: possible explanations for angel hair phenomenon. There By the way,

759
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:07,880
Speaker 3: I think there's still a mystery of foot. But is

760
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 3: this the spider part.

761
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's by aircut of the spider part for anyone

762
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 4: that might be triggered. But really quickly, I just now

763
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 4: I'll say it. I just want to talk about maybe

764
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 4: some science fiction examples of like angel Harry type, black

765
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 4: goo or whatever it might be. I think there's some

766
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 4: fun ones. But spiders are as we know, I think

767
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 4: we're all Whether or not we find them creepy or terrifying,

768
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 4: we can at least give them the respect that they

769
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 4: are due. They do some really incredible things. They engage

770
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 4: in mass migration through the air on literal like improvised

771
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 4: hand gliders kind of they make out of their own

772
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 4: web that they can shoot out of their bodies.

773
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,439
Speaker 3: It's so inspect your gadget unbelievable.

774
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 4: I didn't even know about this phenomenon, Benil, until you

775
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:53,360
Speaker 4: hit me to it. It's called ballooning.

776
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 3: I think we mentioned it briefly in Rain of Fish

777
00:46:59,080 --> 00:46:59,720
Speaker 3: and Frogs.

778
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean.

779
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 4: This was relatively new to me until we've been kind

780
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 4: of jumping down these rabbit holes. Oh geez.

781
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 3: The main thing this teaches me, guys, is that human

782
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 3: civilization has a lot to learn about spiders. The spider

783
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 3: populations over millennia were associated with angel hair phenomenon the

784
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:28,800
Speaker 3: same way that frog populations were associated with star jelly.

785
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,400
Speaker 2: Why because it looks like spider webs, right the pictures

786
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 2: at least that I've seen. There's a couple pieces of

787
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: video from I don't know if it's from that twenty

788
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 2: fourteen event or it's from something else or has nothing

789
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: to do with actual angel hair, but I've seen some

790
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: video that's purported to be angel hair that looks like

791
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: clumps of spider webs to me.

792
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

793
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like we were saying earlier, cobwebs made of some

794
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 3: sort of gelatinous substance. But definitely. They look like more

795
00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 3: gooey forms of the spider silk familiar.

796
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 2: With but in high in the sky and almost like

797
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 2: in individual strand clubs.

798
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, in the northern hemisphere we owe a big thank

799
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:15,040
Speaker 3: you to a huge population of spiders. They're still not

800
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 3: fully understood, the tiny, humble and now ubiquitous LiTi fi

801
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 3: day spiders l I n y p h.

802
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 4: I I dae. They we know that they.

803
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 3: Cause a lot of angel hair phenomena events because they

804
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 3: move posse style. They migrate en mass. You can recognize

805
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 3: a photo of these bad boys. If you see them,

806
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 3: they'll look familiar just because they're again ubiquitous. Their street

807
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 3: names are things like cheet weavas or money spiders because

808
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,080
Speaker 3: there's folklore about them, because humans knew about them for

809
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:58,400
Speaker 3: so long. There's folklore where if you see them behaving

810
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 3: certain ways, just like pusatani phil, then it may bode

811
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 3: well for you in the future. So it's yeah, I.

812
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,479
Speaker 2: Think it's because you're either going to or not going

813
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 2: to be hit with a mass ballooning of spiders, and.

814
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 3: As you will, that's on your own vibe, you.

815
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 2: Know, Yeah, great day the balloon spiders are on their way.

816
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 4: From a distance, it probably looks kind of beautiful until

817
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 4: they get closer and closer, and then you realize that.

818
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,640
Speaker 3: Okay, most things look beautiful from a distance.

819
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 4: That's very fair.

820
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,760
Speaker 3: I mean, but I love this idea that we're painting

821
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 3: to Like Mother, Father, Lord Baden, you come and see

822
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 3: Come see the spiders.

823
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:48,600
Speaker 4: They're ballooning, like seeing a whale breach or something like that. Oh,

824
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 4: it's glorious. Look at the spiders ballooning and the sunset.

825
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 2: Oh, the mother opens a window wide and then just

826
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: spiders ju Because yes are.

827
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 4: Often used as like sort of the stuff of nightmares,

828
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 4: like the idea of like I think you know what

829
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 4: it was. I think it was on the Regular Show

830
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 4: where it was like would you rather they play this game?

831
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 4: Would you rather have uh, spaghetti for fingers? Or every

832
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 4: time you sneeze, spiders would come out of your mouth.

833
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 4: And the obvious question is can I eat my spaghetti fingers?

834
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 4: And if I can't, will they grow back? Well, you

835
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 4: guys know, I have.

836
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:30,439
Speaker 3: The situation, so the in the in the idea.

837
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 4: We're not gonna let you come on spaghetti spaghetti finger situation,

838
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:36,360
Speaker 4: spiders situation.

839
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 3: Well, you know it's like you cut yourself and sometimes

840
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 3: it's blood and sometimes it's spiders.

841
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 2: Do you have that old infinite blood? Eh?

842
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 3: I will never I rolled weird in character creation.

843
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 4: I will never, as long as I live, forget the

844
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 4: scary stories to tell them the dark about the girl

845
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 4: that had like a blow and then she and spiders

846
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:03,800
Speaker 4: just poured out and the illustration so much more terrifying

847
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 4: than the story, and that stuck with me as long

848
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 4: as I live.

849
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,320
Speaker 3: I was just talking about this as always researching the

850
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 3: scary stories to tell in the dark? Is ten ten

851
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 3: a great read, the whole series, even if you consider

852
00:51:16,680 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 3: yourself an adult. Uh, it's real folklore. It's super good.

853
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 3: Shout out to Schwartz, Alan Schwartz wrote.

854
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 4: It and then her head fell off. Yeah, but.

855
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 2: That book is do you guys remember the rest of

856
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,120
Speaker 2: the development, the time the father tries to teach lessons.

857
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 4: Yes, And that's why you always leave it though using

858
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 4: the amputated leby.

859
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 2: That book and that particular story for me is the

860
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 2: and that's why you don't pop your pimples because.

861
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,240
Speaker 3: Can you say that again with more of a jersey accident,

862
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 3: Because we're.

863
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 2: On the way, and that's why you don't pop your pimples.

864
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,959
Speaker 3: Face slap you listen to me, Giuseppe.

865
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,240
Speaker 4: The Internet that was really I don't think the Internet

866
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 4: got the memo because there's all these like pimple popping websites.

867
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 4: Now that's so not my bag. But man, you gotta

868
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:12,439
Speaker 4: wonder how many of those involve spiders to sew this up. Yes,

869
00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 4: it is.

870
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 3: It is possible for spiders to do a lot of

871
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 3: meat amazing and perhaps disturbing things, some of which are

872
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:26,960
Speaker 3: as we record this evening, not fully understood by human civilization.

873
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 3: But that's just because there's a lot to learn about spiders.

874
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 2: We know.

875
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 3: You can go to Snopes. They have an excellent article

876
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 3: on angel hair phenomena where they talk about this crazy

877
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 3: thing that happens in Australia, Oceania, New Zealand. They have

878
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 3: frequent encounters with mass spider or mass erected migration events

879
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 3: and the whole time it looks like snow has descended

880
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:00,400
Speaker 3: upon the town. It looks like a scene from a

881
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 3: horror film like in the or like works of fiction

882
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:09,439
Speaker 3: like I don't want to spoil it by Stephen King,

883
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 3: but or think about it this way, we could spoil

884
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 3: Lord of the.

885
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 4: Reasons to say, the like the spiders damn where Yeah,

886
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,600
Speaker 4: Like poor Frodo is just wrapped up in the stuff.

887
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 4: And it's like in any in Skyrim, You'll be in

888
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 4: you know, dungeons and they'll just be the stuff, just

889
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,439
Speaker 4: like covering the walls. And then you realize that spider's web.

890
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 4: I mean, it's wild. The the the capabilities of these

891
00:53:33,840 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 4: little you know, bodily produced strings.

892
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 3: It's rain and bugs. I'm kidding arachnids, but yeah, we

893
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 3: know that several native species of spider and rachnid are

894
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 3: capable of creating these massive angel hair phenomena events. And

895
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 3: our old pal Linifida, which we mentioned earlier, was apparently

896
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 3: introduced to this part of the world sometime ago. I

897
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 3: wonder it made me think of something that doesn't really

898
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 3: apply to this conversation. But guys, at what point is

899
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 3: a given species no longer considered invasive? Is it like

900
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 3: moving to Brooklyn? Like, is it like ten years?

901
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 4: It's a good question. I mean, yeah, no, I think

902
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 4: that might be longer than that. I mean, is it

903
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:24,919
Speaker 4: once it has to be long? It would be once

904
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 4: they're no longer an active threat to native species perhaps,

905
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 4: or the sort of like the damage has been done

906
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,319
Speaker 4: and it's sort of assimilated almost right.

907
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 2: I was just reading about those, uh what do they

908
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 2: They call them jorro spiders. I don't know if that's

909
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 2: the correct term for them, but it's the ones that

910
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,240
Speaker 2: are all over Georgia right now. They like big web

911
00:54:45,400 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 2: spinning spiders that are kind of yellowy.

912
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 3: The ones where you're like, could I fry this?

913
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 2: You? It looks like you could totally fry it. And

914
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 2: they're pretty big, at least compared to other spider species

915
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 2: that we get around here, and just how much of

916
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 2: a problem they are. But again, people have been talking

917
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 2: about those for a while now, and I don't know

918
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,360
Speaker 2: when people are just going to say, nah, they're.

919
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:12,399
Speaker 4: Good, fine, fine, I know his mother.

920
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, spiders. At least they not throw webs in the

921
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:19,320
Speaker 2: air and flying across Piedmont Park. You know what I'm saying.

922
00:55:20,040 --> 00:55:22,399
Speaker 3: Tell you what, I'd have a saw one of them

923
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 3: run a stop, like forget about.

924
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 1: Yeah.

925
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,400
Speaker 4: Our Jersey listeners are very upset right now. I just

926
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 4: want to play.

927
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 2: I don't know these are Atlanta residents.

928
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, everybody's welcome in Atlanta. Also, I just watched

929
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 3: Donnie Brasco again, so that's that's part of it. We

930
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:41,320
Speaker 3: know that, we know that locals in Australia have learned,

931
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 3: similar to our friends in Honduras, to predict these events. Uh.

932
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 3: There's one guy who talked to the Goldburn Post part

933
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,240
Speaker 3: of my pronunciation in May of twenty fifteen and said

934
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,440
Speaker 3: the following. He said, Look, here's what happens during a

935
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 3: particular time of this year in May or August. Young

936
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 3: spy in the outback, the rural area of Australia somehow

937
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 3: throw these threads of spider webs up in the air.

938
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 3: They use them as a parachute and detach themselves from

939
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,880
Speaker 3: the ground and move in large colonies through the sky.

940
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 3: They fly through the sky. We see the folds of

941
00:56:16,680 --> 00:56:19,840
Speaker 3: spider webs that look almost as though it is snowing.

942
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 3: I'm paraphrasing here. But we also have to remember ballooning

943
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 3: is a great explanation for a lot of these events

944
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 3: because people also get this. We'll find small spiders crawling

945
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:34,760
Speaker 3: around and threads.

946
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:38,360
Speaker 2: But even if you didn't find a spider, some of

947
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 2: those spiders lose their parachutes, you know what I mean.

948
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 2: They to fall right out of the sky and then

949
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 2: just the parachutes flying around, and if there's no weight

950
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:49,439
Speaker 2: to that thing, because imagine the weight of a spider web,

951
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 2: if you're walked into one, it's almost negative. There's nothing

952
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 2: there almost And if that just catches wind, I imagine

953
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 2: how far that could go. Or if there's a storm

954
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 2: or something that comes through and pushes the wind, pushes

955
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 2: those webs in a different direction than it was headed

956
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 2: and spreads them out even more.

957
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, come on, imagine. Also, are you guys familiar with

958
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 3: the with the research into making bulletproof garments out of

959
00:57:19,520 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 3: spider silt?

960
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 2: What?

961
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, like some sort of really intense weave of it.

962
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, okay, it's just the tensile strength. It's just

963
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 3: is interesting, all right, story for another day. And of

964
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 3: course there are other possible explanations, because we have had

965
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 3: so many instances people experiencing this kind of thing. There

966
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 3: does not appear to be a silver bullet nor a

967
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 3: silver spider answer to this, that's a joke. For like

968
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 3: four people, we knew that there was well, there was

969
00:57:54,880 --> 00:58:01,440
Speaker 3: some stuff that got published in Italian journals, reputable Italian

970
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 3: journals back in the nineteen nineties where they said there

971
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 3: may be an electrostatic precipitation of atmospheric dust that could

972
00:58:11,160 --> 00:58:14,000
Speaker 3: create the kind of thing we're talking about, similar Matt

973
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:19,480
Speaker 3: to your analogy about an aerosol container creating solid matter.

974
00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 4: As an offshoot.

975
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,400
Speaker 3: This stuff sounded interesting and possible, but then we have

976
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 3: to realize a lot of folks took that question or

977
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 3: that theory, that hypothesis, and they ran with it, and

978
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 3: they said, yes, it is electrostatic precipitation. And here's why

979
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 3: it's coming from UFOs. The aliens are real shout out

980
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 3: to various UFO centric cults.

981
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 4: So they took it a little further, you know what

982
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,200
Speaker 4: I mean than they needed to take. Imagine they're doing that.

983
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 4: Imagine they're taking things too far.

984
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take it even further. Guys, we've seen the

985
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 2: movie Nope. We know now that some UFOs out there

986
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: are actually extraterrestrial multidimensional beings. Well, what if two of

987
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 2: those beings get together and they want to make a

988
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:13,000
Speaker 2: little baby multidimensional Nope being thing? Well Star Jelly.

989
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:17,280
Speaker 3: Okay, wait, guys, we're in the brainstorming phase.

990
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,320
Speaker 4: There are no bad ideas. Okay, you know what I mean.

991
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,920
Speaker 3: I got you back on this one. And we also

992
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 3: know that, unlike star Jelly, we have not completely solved

993
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 3: every explanation of angel hair. A lot of it is

994
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 3: definitely created by arachnid ballooning. And as wild as those

995
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,919
Speaker 3: photos may look, please do pull them up check it out.

996
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:42,640
Speaker 3: As wild as they may look, we guarantee you that

997
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 3: a lot of them are genuine. But what are we

998
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 3: to make of the multiple reports claiming the angel hair

999
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 3: evaporated before it could be documented or tested? Could it

1000
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,680
Speaker 3: be something else? And so before we close speaking of

1001
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 3: something else, we have some other takes on star Jelly.

1002
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 4: Just one in particular that stood out. I think we

1003
01:00:04,840 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 4: covered the majority of the types of occurrences, but there

1004
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,960
Speaker 4: was one that I thought was interesting in terms of

1005
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:14,680
Speaker 4: like another possibility. I found this. There's a reference to

1006
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 4: several articles on New Cryptozoology dot. It's like a wiki

1007
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:22,840
Speaker 4: fandom kind of page. And there was a case in

1008
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 4: the late seventies in Frisco, Texas where there were reports

1009
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 4: of like purple globs of goo in a woman's front yard,

1010
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 4: Missus Sybil Christian, following a meteor shower. And once again

1011
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:37,720
Speaker 4: that confirmation bias that A to b like, oh it rained,

1012
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 4: and now there's this stuff. It must have come from

1013
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 4: the rain. Okay, there's this goo in my yard after

1014
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:46,320
Speaker 4: this meteor shower. It turns out that it was actually

1015
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 4: some kind of caustic soda that was the result of

1016
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 4: basically poor environmental mitigation at a nearby battery reprocessing plant.

1017
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 4: So it was like causing like runoff of this caustic

1018
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 4: soda used to clean impurities in the leads of batteries.

1019
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 4: We've all seen it. If a battery gets corroded, you know,

1020
01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 4: it can like form this kind of crust, and if

1021
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 4: you use caustic soda you can clean that off. So

1022
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 4: apparently when that's done, the runoff is this purpleish kind

1023
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 4: of compound that then creates something that can sort of

1024
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:26,960
Speaker 4: balloon out like the previous examples of star jelly that

1025
01:01:27,000 --> 01:01:28,560
Speaker 4: we were talking about. So I just thought that was

1026
01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 4: an interesting one worth mentioning. There are a few other

1027
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 4: examples here if anyone wants to go check it out.

1028
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 4: Another one really quickly was just the idea that there

1029
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 4: were already impurities present in the soil, like in dorsets

1030
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 4: in the UK in January twenty twelve, granules of sodium

1031
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 4: poly acrylate that were already present of the soil, which

1032
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,920
Speaker 4: is apparently very common in agricultural use, and when it rained,

1033
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 4: it caused these dehydrated granules of this stuff to balloon

1034
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 4: up and then kind of create their very highly absorbent

1035
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 4: So there's another couple of random examples sea of industrial

1036
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 4: contenders exactly. Yeah. And then just last last thing, if

1037
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 4: anyone's interested. I mentioned the question of whether frog spawn

1038
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 4: had a culinary use, So I looked that up. And

1039
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 4: while I did not find any examples of actual use

1040
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 4: of frog spawn in the way you would of course

1041
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 4: cavia or other you know, aquatic eggs, there was a

1042
01:02:24,760 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 4: delightful recipe for frog spawn tie tapioca pudding from Bonappetite

1043
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 4: magazine from June of two thousand and six, and you

1044
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 4: can find that as well, and it involves some coconut milk, ginger,

1045
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 4: cilantro kaffir, lime leaves, whole milk, and some pearl tapioca

1046
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 4: and they have it presented with tiny plastic frogs in

1047
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 4: the bowls. So it says in the recipe specifically the

1048
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 4: plastic frogs are not required, though they are recommended.

1049
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 2: What about the agar agar, Yeah.

1050
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, they're definitely some agar agar up in there. Gotta be.

1051
01:03:00,720 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 4: I want to make this. I'm a big fan of

1052
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 4: squishy boba e gummy kind of things. I would totally

1053
01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 4: eat the what was it, the cyana bacteria version of

1054
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,439
Speaker 4: star jelly. It's not bad.

1055
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 3: There's no thank you for me, more for me and men,

1056
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 3: and more for you as well, fellow conspiracy realist. As

1057
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:26,280
Speaker 3: we mentioned earlier, there is so much weird wild stuff

1058
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:29,840
Speaker 3: out there, even in these our modern evenings. Head over

1059
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 3: to Ridiculous History to learn more about, for instance, the

1060
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 3: Kentucky meat shower. Most importantly, let us know about any

1061
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 3: strange similar weather phenomena that you have encountered personally.

1062
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 4: Please let us know.

1063
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 3: Thank you, by the way, to the folks who have

1064
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 3: already reached out with various similar stories and reactions. We

1065
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,000
Speaker 3: can't wait to hear from you. We try to be

1066
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:52,800
Speaker 3: easy to find online.

1067
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:54,479
Speaker 4: Yes, that's right. You can find it to the handle

1068
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 4: conspiracy stuff where we exist on Facebook, or we have

1069
01:03:56,760 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 4: our Facebook group. Here's where it gets crazy. Get in

1070
01:03:59,800 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 4: on the conversation there, join in the fun. You can

1071
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 4: also find it to that handle on x FKA Twitter.

1072
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 4: Ben I think is the most of us individually active

1073
01:04:09,600 --> 01:04:12,600
Speaker 4: on Twitter, always dropping some singers. I just don't have

1074
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 4: the I don't have the skill set for it, Ben,

1075
01:04:14,280 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 4: But you you're made for the media. I'm glad that

1076
01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 4: you're still going strong. You can also find us on YouTube,

1077
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 4: or we have video content coming at you on the

1078
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:23,680
Speaker 4: regular on Instagram and TikTok or Conspiracy Stuff Show.

1079
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Speaker 2: Hey, do you want to call us and tell us

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Speaker 2: about your examples of electrostatic precipitation? Call one eight three

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Speaker 2: three st d WYTK. When you call in, give yourself

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Speaker 2: a cool nickname and let us know within the message

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Speaker 2: if we can use your name and message on one

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Speaker 2: of our listener mail episodes. If you've got more to

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Speaker 2: say than can fit in three minutes, why not instead

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Speaker 2: shoot us a good old fashioned email.

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Speaker 3: We are the entities that read every single piece of correspondence.

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Speaker 3: We receive a special shout out to Burger the Berserker,

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Speaker 3: who has followed up with us recently on some questions

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Speaker 3: about a UAP sighting. Very well done, folks. The same

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Speaker 3: rules to the voicemail apply there. Just be well aware.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes the void rights back. We'd love for you to

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Speaker 3: join us in the darkness between the stars. Conspiracy at

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Speaker 2: Stuff They Don't Want You To Know is a production

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