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Speaker 1: reported joint by Danny McCray and Barry Church, two former
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys safeties. All right, it's Friday, McCray, how are
Speaker 1: we doing? Man? I'm doing good. Man. I'm sad about
Speaker 1: my my picks from last week, you know, and I've
Speaker 1: seen you over the haying non popados online, so I gotta,
Speaker 1: I gotta, I gotta, I gotta correct that today. But
Speaker 1: it's Friday. Man, I made it through another week, so
Speaker 1: everything's good on my end. Church. But man, it's it's Friday.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful Friday. It suns out. I might actually
Speaker 1: hit the golf course after this, so it's an amazing day.
Speaker 1: I'm back in Texas and I'm back in so look, man,
Speaker 1: it's an amazing Friday. Amazing. Here's Here's what I absolutely
Speaker 1: love about you, Church and the life you're living, man,
Speaker 1: is that you can just decide, Hey, I think I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and play golf after this. So golf
Speaker 1: is at least a four hour it's at least a
Speaker 1: four hour deal that you with young children can just
Speaker 1: rolling out the door and your wife's like, cool, go ahead.
Speaker 1: I know I can't go from people last say you
Speaker 1: play golf. It's like, na, I don't because it's at
Speaker 1: least four hours to play, and you want to spend
Speaker 1: some time after. So it's a five hour deal. My
Speaker 1: wife ain gonna let me go nowhere. Just hey, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna gona play a game, be going for five hours.
Speaker 1: But Church, you might hero. Man, I get to live
Speaker 1: through you. Church. I'm living through you. I ain't gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. I gotta take my son. I
Speaker 1: gotta take him with me, So it ain't it ain't
Speaker 1: just a complete just you know, dipping out of there.
Speaker 1: I gotta have him with me. But overall, man, and
Speaker 1: you know, it's good to get out of the house.
Speaker 1: It's good to get out of the house and enjoy something.
Speaker 1: So I gotta do it all right, all good. Um,
Speaker 1: let's talk about a former teammate. UM. Jason Wit has retired.
Speaker 1: He played this year with the Las Vegas Raiders, decided
Speaker 1: to retire for a second time. Where do you guys
Speaker 1: rank with all time when it comes to NFL tight ends? Man,
Speaker 1: go ahead, d mack Uh listen, when you talk about
Speaker 1: all times, first of all all time Cowboys tight ends,
Speaker 1: I'm putting him in number one when you talk about
Speaker 1: all time tight ends. As far as consistency, I'll put
Speaker 1: him in number one. He isn't the most talented. He
Speaker 1: isn't He isn't the most talented tight end that we've
Speaker 1: ever seen play. You know, He's not like a grum
Speaker 1: maybe a m some of the guys who can go
Speaker 1: up and make those big time catches kind of like
Speaker 1: Kelsey and get it play like receiver. But as far
Speaker 1: as him being in the right place and always being
Speaker 1: able to get open and maximizing his skill set, I
Speaker 1: think he's done that better than almost any tight end
Speaker 1: in history. He's I think he's leading in receptions. He
Speaker 1: played with thirteen fourteen years. Uh. I'm not sure how
Speaker 1: many games he missed, but it's not many. So he
Speaker 1: is the model for consistency. So I'll put him at
Speaker 1: the top as far as that. It's a few guys
Speaker 1: ahead of him stat wise and talent wise, but he
Speaker 1: ranks up there among among the top. Does he crack
Speaker 1: the top five all time? For you? Of the tight
Speaker 1: ends that I know I was, I was giving me
Speaker 1: crazy cracks the top five. Okay, and listen, listen that
Speaker 1: that that's not including grong that like the guys who
Speaker 1: are still playing. I'm talking about guys who are no
Speaker 1: longer playing sas he's going to be a retired guy. Now, okay,
Speaker 1: all right, since since you could have liked that way,
Speaker 1: I see where you're coming from there. For me, like
Speaker 1: you said, man, if we put them at the Cowboys list,
Speaker 1: if we're saying like this is, you know, the all
Speaker 1: time greatest, not even just tight end, just a Cowboy
Speaker 1: player in general, I would definitely put him at the
Speaker 1: number one at that spot. I mean, his intangibles on
Speaker 1: the field and off the field were legendary. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's one of the greatest leaders I think I've ever
Speaker 1: been around. And d Mac, I mean, I can't speak
Speaker 1: for you, but I mean this guy leadership off the
Speaker 1: field was immaculate. And his play on the field was
Speaker 1: immaculate as well. And like you said, d Mac, he
Speaker 1: was able to get the most out of his skill
Speaker 1: set because he wasn't the fastest guy. He didn't run
Speaker 1: the craziest routes, and he didn't get much separation from guys,
Speaker 1: but he was able to come down with the ball
Speaker 1: and he did it consistently. So in that regard, I
Speaker 1: will put him number one when it comes to consistency
Speaker 1: and just being a Dallas Cowboy player. Now, overall, with
Speaker 1: all those tight ends out there, I mean you're talking
Speaker 1: about the Kellen Winslows of the world, the Shannon Sharps
Speaker 1: of the world. I mean I would put Gronk in
Speaker 1: my top five as well. But overall, it's hard for
Speaker 1: me to put him in that five. Man, it's hard
Speaker 1: for me to do that. But when it comes to
Speaker 1: consist to see and being that leader that he was,
Speaker 1: he's an all time great and he will be a
Speaker 1: first ballot Hall of Famer. But top five is kind
Speaker 1: of tough for me to do that just seeing all
Speaker 1: the skill sets in the talent that other tight ends
Speaker 1: had out there. But like I said before, mydet consistency,
Speaker 1: he will be a first ballot Hall of Fame. Hey, Grom,
Speaker 1: don't count man, he's still playing. He's still playing because
Speaker 1: he was retiring hot but but but but he's but
Speaker 1: he's back. In that case, you got to put Kelc
Speaker 1: in there and uh In Kittle and all these guys
Speaker 1: who that we assume are going to be great. Guy,
Speaker 1: he's still playing. Once he retired, I probably put him
Speaker 1: over with Jason Woodn't as far as the impact that
Speaker 1: he was able to make on his team. But yeah,
Speaker 1: he's still going. He's about to give him another Super
Speaker 1: Bowl possibly, So I'm an hold off on that one.
Speaker 1: Let me ask y'all both a quick question, real quick.
Speaker 1: Do y'all think the move to Oakland put any type
Speaker 1: of stain on his career or do you think it
Speaker 1: just you know, he just tried to go front of
Speaker 1: the ship and it just didn't work out that way. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't year in the year in Vegas, um didn't
Speaker 1: do anything at all in my opinion. Um, he was
Speaker 1: already a legendary. You're talking about eleven time Pro Bowls
Speaker 1: before he ever got there, All Pro first or second team,
Speaker 1: five times number two all time and receptions number two
Speaker 1: for a tight end number five all time and tight
Speaker 1: ends uh touchdown lots. So I don't think it did
Speaker 1: that at all. The Hall of Fame is littered with
Speaker 1: guys who spent one or two years in a place
Speaker 1: that you know, at the end of their career you're like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, honestly, I think you're gonna forget it. No,
Speaker 1: do you remember Jerry Rice playing for the Raiders, the
Speaker 1: Raiders or Seattle. Do you remember Doris Set with Denver
Speaker 1: or Emmet in Arizona, Um, Johnny and idis and with
Speaker 1: the Chargers, or Joe Nameeth with the Rams, So you
Speaker 1: know this is you know, you know Ronny a lot
Speaker 1: with the Jets. So I think that that's that's that's
Speaker 1: no big deal at all. Um. Shannon Sharp is a
Speaker 1: guy we didn't bring up here when we talk about
Speaker 1: just you know, great tight ends of all time. And
Speaker 1: Shannon played on three Super Bowl winners. And when I
Speaker 1: think about the last team he played on, that Ravens
Speaker 1: team where they had no wide receiver weapons that were
Speaker 1: any good, it was basically the Shannon Sharp show. So
Speaker 1: when I think about Shannon in his career, he was legendary.
Speaker 1: I think Jason, first off, there's only eight tight end.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys knows, there's only eight
Speaker 1: tight ends in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. I
Speaker 1: mean just eight. When you think about yes, in the
Speaker 1: National Football League and Jason is going to be Tony
Speaker 1: Gonzalez is gonna go in, so you know, Tony and
Speaker 1: Jason are gonna put that thing at ten. I anticipated
Speaker 1: Antonio Gates getting there, so I look at it and
Speaker 1: getting to two eleven guys. But the guys who were
Speaker 1: in there special, John Mackie special tight end, Kellen Wimslow
Speaker 1: special tight end. And when you talk about ranking them,
Speaker 1: it's an interesting deal because so many of these guys
Speaker 1: are in there when they had running teams and Ozzie
Speaker 1: knew some of Mike ditka Um. So when you're looking
Speaker 1: this new wave of pass catching tight ends, Jason is
Speaker 1: definitely in that new wave. And when you're talking about
Speaker 1: a top five guy in a in a pass catching
Speaker 1: mode and a hell of a career. And and look,
Speaker 1: I've always felt this way that having been the camp
Speaker 1: many times, and you guys have been up there as well.
Speaker 1: Once you're in, baby, you're in. You know, once you're in,
Speaker 1: you're in. And uh, he's gonna get his He's gonna
Speaker 1: get his gold jacket, and deservingly so hell of a career, man,
Speaker 1: Just just you know, I took my hat towy Jason
Speaker 1: Witten has done in his NFL career coming out of
Speaker 1: TENNESSEEE third round pick. Yeah, you're right. I mean he
Speaker 1: basically the like you said, the consummate professional. I mean,
Speaker 1: his leadership off the field was legendary. His on the
Speaker 1: field performances were legendary. I still remember when I don't
Speaker 1: even think it was in the league. Now, I wasn't
Speaker 1: in the league at the time, but when he caught
Speaker 1: that looked like a slant against Philadelphia, shoot defenders come
Speaker 1: and merge on them. They both knocked down each other,
Speaker 1: his helmet goes flying, and he's still runs for another
Speaker 1: forty yards, and I think that that's the play. To me,
Speaker 1: that pretty much just basically tells you all you need
Speaker 1: to know about Jason Witten when it comes to the
Speaker 1: football field. I mean, there's there's a guy that there's
Speaker 1: no guy that worked harder than he did with his
Speaker 1: skill set. And like you said, man, he'll be a
Speaker 1: first balllet Hall of Famer. He had a hell of
Speaker 1: a career. Well, Church Church, you were there. I think
Speaker 1: it was the preseason game where I think he like
Speaker 1: he did something to his spleen and everybody just assumed
Speaker 1: he wasn't gonna be able to play. We watched that
Speaker 1: firsthand and it was like, it's no way, We're just
Speaker 1: gonna get out there and get this stuff done. And
Speaker 1: he was out there, so it's not it's not much
Speaker 1: you can do to get this guy off the field.
Speaker 1: And he went out there and he performed. And like
Speaker 1: I said, one thing you knew about Winton when you
Speaker 1: knew exactly what you were going to get when you
Speaker 1: were out there on the field, and everybody else knew
Speaker 1: what they were gonna get and they still couldn't stop it.
Speaker 1: So I mean that that's just a testament to how
Speaker 1: how he perfected his craft. You knew exactly what Roddy
Speaker 1: was gonna run, you know, you just didn't know if
Speaker 1: he's gonna break in out, And somehow the dude was
Speaker 1: always open. So I mean, he he's a special player,
Speaker 1: and he was a time. I would give him a
Speaker 1: top ten trash talking rating like this dude, a lot
Speaker 1: of cats know it. I know it had to garden
Speaker 1: and practice each and every every practice. I had to
Speaker 1: guard him. But this dude subtly would just talk the
Speaker 1: whole entire time. He would get open on. Maybe maybe
Speaker 1: next time, kid, maybe they just subtle that. You just
Speaker 1: be like, man, you know what, I hate this dude,
Speaker 1: I hate, but he he just taught you so many
Speaker 1: lessons and just his trash talking was just as legendary
Speaker 1: played on the field. Well, it'll be interesting to see
Speaker 1: what he does in his post career. He will have
Speaker 1: his Greater contract expire in March, and then he'll sign
Speaker 1: a one day contract with the Dallas Cowboys and retire.
Speaker 1: And well, i'd probably say the first step is is
Speaker 1: Jerry will put him in the Ring of Honor, and
Speaker 1: then after that, uh, you know, five years he'll be
Speaker 1: he'll be in Canton for the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: Another know, another Cowboy, remember going into into the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. So that'll be that'll be, yes, will he'd
Speaker 1: be the only Cowboy to return twice. I don't know
Speaker 1: about I don't know. I mean at two tall Jones
Speaker 1: did it twice? Remember he played and retired to go
Speaker 1: box and then came back. He went he went boxed again. Hey,
Speaker 1: you know so so I remember that, and I remember
Speaker 1: I remember how how mad many Cowboy fans were like,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go do? What do you do? You know?
Speaker 1: You know, I was like, Okay, fine, you got the
Speaker 1: reach over anybody, but you know you're not gonna be
Speaker 1: You're not gonna go out here beat Larry Holmes. I mean,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? Um? And then he came back
Speaker 1: and and you know when Ed retired, this is at
Speaker 1: that height where the Cowboys were in the mix for
Speaker 1: you know, the Super Bowl year in year out under
Speaker 1: coach Lantry here in the late seventies and in early eighties.
Speaker 1: So that was that, That was that infuriated many a
Speaker 1: Cowboy fan, like what in the world are you doing?
Speaker 1: And you guys have played at the ultimate level, and
Speaker 1: it is hard at any sport to get to that
Speaker 1: ultimate level. And that was the thing about me about boxing,
Speaker 1: and when I heard about dude, do you know how
Speaker 1: hard this is? This is hard to become a top
Speaker 1: flight heavyweight boxing contender. But yeah, he did it. But
Speaker 1: a good question. But that's the only way I can
Speaker 1: think of speak Hey, listen, side, no speaking of that.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you every the boxing game, the fighting game.
Speaker 1: If your head is not in it, and you hadn't
Speaker 1: been practicing your entire life, or you took some time off.
Speaker 1: Take a look at the fight that happened on Saturday
Speaker 1: with Connor McGregor. Came out there half stepping, and you
Speaker 1: will see how hard it is to really get your
Speaker 1: mind in the game. My man went out there and
Speaker 1: got knocked out. He ain't been since since Mayweather put
Speaker 1: them hands on him, and he had and he got
Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars you got. You gotta have your
Speaker 1: mind right, man. That is a very very tough thing
Speaker 1: to do. And uh, you know, shout out the air.
Speaker 1: But I would give Greg Hardy some some props on
Speaker 1: that because he's been able to transition from pro football
Speaker 1: player one of the best dents to play for for
Speaker 1: for his time and then uh transferred to UFC fight
Speaker 1: now actually getting some wins, doing some good stuff out there. Well,
Speaker 1: it reminds me of a movie and you guys were
Speaker 1: not even born when it came out in nineteen eighty three,
Speaker 1: Rocky three. And in that movie they consistently talk about
Speaker 1: the eye of the Tiger, and um, Rocky's trainer Micky said,
Speaker 1: you know you ain't you ain't been the same since
Speaker 1: you won that belt. And what he talked about was
Speaker 1: at the time, Hey Rock, you got paid, you're famous. Um,
Speaker 1: you don't have that same hunger. And Connor McGregor going
Speaker 1: in the ring, how can you be the same after
Speaker 1: you put one hundred million dollars in your pocket and
Speaker 1: you set me to life? Right hold on Floyd? No, no, no, no, Listen,
Speaker 1: there's a perfect example of the guy who did that
Speaker 1: end and out. As much as new he wanted to
Speaker 1: hate on the guy. Mayweather consistently made that type of
Speaker 1: money and went out there and performed to the best
Speaker 1: of his ability and will be going down as one
Speaker 1: of the top powerful pound fighters to ever get in
Speaker 1: the ring. Floyd was picked out choosing, he choosing and fights. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't know about that man. So so so Connor
Speaker 1: McGregor didn't pick poor head. I mean, poor ya was
Speaker 1: gonna come up to it. And Connor went out there
Speaker 1: and he got them hands put on him. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: had already beat him up, so he assumed he was
Speaker 1: gonna do the same thing. Connorm We're gonna pick that fight.
Speaker 1: Connor ms there, gonna also pick Mayweather too. He called
Speaker 1: him out. He went out there and said I'm gonna
Speaker 1: beat up Maywell. So listen, y'all want to take stuff
Speaker 1: away from that dude. Man, he may he may consistent
Speaker 1: money and he go out there and perform and when
Speaker 1: has never lost a boxing match, Danny, I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you one word to describe Floyd Maywether. It sums up
Speaker 1: this whole argument. Outlier. You know, in everything in life,
Speaker 1: there's going to be an outlier, a person who just
Speaker 1: put right right. There's there's an outlier. You know that
Speaker 1: your Kareem abdul Jabbar, this dude was an outlier. So
Speaker 1: so in every walk of life, there's going to be
Speaker 1: one person who's a heck of a lot different than
Speaker 1: the others. And that's what Floyd was in his career.
Speaker 1: So so when we talk about that eye of the tiger, hey,
Speaker 1: most people are going to be like Connor McGregor, Hey, man,
Speaker 1: I made all this money, I'm not the same and
Speaker 1: you you know, and to me, in a sport like
Speaker 1: that where you got will you put your body on
Speaker 1: the line physically once you've made it and got paid, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it is hard to keep getting up and
Speaker 1: doing it. But for Floyd Mayweather outlier man. He was
Speaker 1: just gonna put that dude in a different category. But
Speaker 1: most regular, most regular mortals at that position, they're gonna
Speaker 1: fall into that trap. I mean, looking at Mike Tyson,
Speaker 1: you know, as great as Tyson. You know Tyson Tyson
Speaker 1: fell into that and had so much going on in
Speaker 1: his world, and that's that's a tough thing to keep
Speaker 1: winning and have that hunger to to to put your
Speaker 1: body in your mind at that level. And for Floyd
Speaker 1: did Man, I have mad respect for it as an outlock.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, look at look when it comes to football.
Speaker 1: I mean, how many cats we've seen get their start,
Speaker 1: you know, on special teams and they're grind and they're
Speaker 1: they're gunners, they're you know, they're blocking, they're doing all that,
Speaker 1: and then they get a little break on defense and offense,
Speaker 1: maybe get a little change in their pocket, and then
Speaker 1: the coach says, hey, we need you to beat this gunner,
Speaker 1: we need you to be this safety on kickoff, and
Speaker 1: they're just like, ah, I like that out there. Don't
Speaker 1: you say it like you say it? I don't know
Speaker 1: who he's a butt? I have seen it with that before.
Speaker 1: What number? What number didn't start with, didn't start with them,
Speaker 1: didn't start with a four. Absolutely get it in with
Speaker 1: did it in with a two? All I'll say, and
Speaker 1: seen it done before you lived it, because he lived it,
Speaker 1: lived it, don do. Let's get our first break. Let's
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Speaker 1: Watson says, I want out of Houston. Matthew Stafford's told
Speaker 1: the lines, Hey, thanks, but I'm done with you, so
Speaker 1: you know how Cowboy fans are you know how cowboy
Speaker 1: Twitter goes in social media? There have people who've been
Speaker 1: asking about these quarterbacks. Let's start with Matthew Stafford first,
Speaker 1: Danny McCray, if you're the Cowboys, do you have any
Speaker 1: interest because right now your quarterback, Dak Prescott is a
Speaker 1: free agent who you could franchise for one more year.
Speaker 1: But after this year, if you don't get a deal done,
Speaker 1: there's no way you can franchise in four third. Your
Speaker 1: thoughts on Matthews absolutely not. Matt Matthew. You know it's
Speaker 1: as good as I believe. Matthew Stafford is one. I
Speaker 1: really do love Dak being here as all quarterback, the
Speaker 1: leader it is, and the stuff that I've seen him
Speaker 1: doing the field. But more importantly, Matthew Stafford has been injured.
Speaker 1: I think he breaks hands, backs, legs, all types of stuff. Man.
Speaker 1: And once you bring a guy in who you can't
Speaker 1: depend on to play a full season, then then you're
Speaker 1: you're you're asking for trouble. So with the injuries that
Speaker 1: he had, and it looked like it's kind of similar
Speaker 1: to what Romo was dealing with at the end of
Speaker 1: his career, I wouldn't take a risk on him. He's
Speaker 1: a he's a head of a player. But I think
Speaker 1: the quarterback that we have now is a solution for
Speaker 1: us to get to a super Bowl. Yeah, right now,
Speaker 1: Before before I get into this, I preface it by saying, look,
Speaker 1: I think Dak Prescott is a much better quarterback than
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford. But in saying that, I was if I'm
Speaker 1: the Dolls Cowboys, I would still do my homework on it.
Speaker 1: I would still go to ask to you know, Detroit Line.
Speaker 1: You know, what are they what are they thinking? What
Speaker 1: are the trade possibilities for us at Matthew Stafford? And
Speaker 1: if it doesn't break the bank, and if it doesn't
Speaker 1: anything outrageous or outlandish. I mean, you go to Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott and you say, hey, would you would you mind
Speaker 1: taking this five year deal? If not, I mean, hey,
Speaker 1: it's there's a lot worse scenarios than having Matthews quarterback
Speaker 1: back there, all right. I mean we've seen it last year.
Speaker 1: We've seen it last year with the Red Pistol. So
Speaker 1: for me, I'm not saying I'd rather have Stafford. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying that at all. I'd rather have Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: But to me, I think you do your homework on it,
Speaker 1: and you see what possibilities are out there for you.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't hurt because you do not have Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: under contract right now. You don't Your quarterback right now
Speaker 1: is Garrett Gilberty. So for me, I'm doing my homework
Speaker 1: on matt Stafford. He has a lot of injuries, he
Speaker 1: has it won a lot in Detroit, but I don't
Speaker 1: think that's totally his fault. So for me, I'm doing
Speaker 1: my homework on it just to see what can happen. Man, listen,
Speaker 1: you're away from Justin Fields to Matthew Stafford getting the
Speaker 1: gas whatever I mean, gene whatever you can do to
Speaker 1: get rid of Dak Prescott, even though you don't even listen,
Speaker 1: even even though even though you believe that he is
Speaker 1: he is a good quarterback and he could really take
Speaker 1: us to the super Bowl. If he didn't cost as much,
Speaker 1: then it will be okay. But you're doing anything you
Speaker 1: can to say anything cheaper, anything cheaper than Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: even if it's Justin Fields or Joe. Matthew Stafford is
Speaker 1: better for the Cowboys, so they can get some defensive
Speaker 1: pieces and be okay on offense, and uh and probably
Speaker 1: good on defense, and you know, you still don't know
Speaker 1: exactly what they're gonna be no matter what player they get.
Speaker 1: But hey, whatever, whatever, I like you back man, come on,
Speaker 1: back man. Go So so, Barry, Barry, I want to
Speaker 1: come in and ask you this here. Okay, are they
Speaker 1: are not just they're going to want a draft pick?
Speaker 1: So are you willing to give up the tenth overall
Speaker 1: pick in the draft for Matthew? Okay? Then no? Not okay?
Speaker 1: So so what do you get being up to go
Speaker 1: get the quarterback because they're asking for a one. Well,
Speaker 1: if they're asking for a one, they're out of their mind.
Speaker 1: I mean, little Matt Stafford's eleven years in the league's
Speaker 1: coming off of multiple surgeries, he hasn't completed a full
Speaker 1: season and who knows how long. So for them to
Speaker 1: ask for an I mean, that's that's out of podcast question.
Speaker 1: That ain't even don't even put that. But if they
Speaker 1: come saying, look we'll take you know, a second and
Speaker 1: a third for Stafford, I do it? Man, Church, Church,
Speaker 1: Can you can you make that? Do that list again?
Speaker 1: Do that list again for why you wasn't wouldn't give
Speaker 1: up a one for Matthew Stafford, please do that list
Speaker 1: again and tell me why you want him on our t.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is what I'm saying is I think
Speaker 1: he would be I think he'd be protected a lot
Speaker 1: more if he was behind all offensive line than what
Speaker 1: they had in Detroit. He has a lot more weapons
Speaker 1: on our side than what he had in Detroit, and
Speaker 1: I think he could play a little bit better. He's
Speaker 1: a solution. I'm not sing tarisim gonna be on the
Speaker 1: sideline together? Given team's little gonna man, Hey, hey, why
Speaker 1: you bringing Tyre Smith? You talk about a better office
Speaker 1: live saying, So you said Tyren Smith, Zach Martin? Who
Speaker 1: else Lion Collins? And uh, you knows what. They can't
Speaker 1: protect him better than what they had in Detroit? Well
Speaker 1: what what what happened to zachon Martin Issia? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the first time Zach Martin been injured in
Speaker 1: what eight years, even in the league. We're happening, we're
Speaker 1: having a little college we're happening to t first time
Speaker 1: and it was an injury buzz throughout the whole dousand
Speaker 1: church organization happening again next church. Collins didn't even step
Speaker 1: on the field one time. For the first time since
Speaker 1: he's been drafted. He'll have it. He'll be back. He'll
Speaker 1: be back. So so Church, here here's the thing. You
Speaker 1: may not value Matthew Stafford and trading a number one,
Speaker 1: but they are going to get that from someone in
Speaker 1: this league that they just thought. Way. Look, there's no
Speaker 1: way if you are the Chicago Bears, if you are
Speaker 1: the Indianapolis Colts, a number one pick for Matthew Stafford
Speaker 1: versus what else you are looking at in free agency
Speaker 1: is going to be an upgrade. I mean, it just is.
Speaker 1: There's plenty of teams out. I mean, if you're the
Speaker 1: New England Patriots right now, you know Matthew Stafford is
Speaker 1: an upgrade over what you have. So giving up a
Speaker 1: number one pick for a quarterback, and if you're trying
Speaker 1: to especially if you're in a win now mode, if
Speaker 1: you're a matt Neeggie and you're trying to hold on
Speaker 1: to your job and secure a second contract, and you're
Speaker 1: Ryan Pays the GM going and giving up your number
Speaker 1: one for Matthew Stafford versus, hey, we're ready to run
Speaker 1: it back with Nick Foles or Mittell Trubisky. You'll do that.
Speaker 1: So while you may not value the ten. There are
Speaker 1: going to be other people that value the ten. So
Speaker 1: I'm just in in this league of quarterback play now.
Speaker 1: I am with Danny on this one all day long.
Speaker 1: Oh right, I'm Church Church, Sorry, you buy yourself on
Speaker 1: you know. You know, I look at Matt Stafford and
Speaker 1: here's a man who's been in this league since two
Speaker 1: thousand and nine. He's made one Pro Bowl. That was
Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen when they went eleven and five and
Speaker 1: I ended up getting beaten by the Cowboys. So but
Speaker 1: he's made the Pro Bowl one time. And I started
Speaker 1: looking out at this list of guys who's made the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl during you know, during this time. He Mitchell
Speaker 1: Trubisky made a Pro Bowl, Jamis made a Pro Bowl,
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota made a Pro Bowl, Kirk Cousins made the
Speaker 1: Pro Bowl twice, Nick Foles made the Pro Bowl, Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz made you know, Andy Dalton made it three times.
Speaker 1: This guy only made it once. And yes, we know
Speaker 1: the Lions had their issues and whatnot, but I just
Speaker 1: I just think that the time the Cowboys should have
Speaker 1: gone for trying to get hi Matt Stafford was was
Speaker 1: was years ago. It was really toward the end of
Speaker 1: the Romo run. I just think that Stafford is not
Speaker 1: what they need to mean, the Colts seemed like a
Speaker 1: really good fit for Matthew sta. Their offensive line right
Speaker 1: now is a better offensive line than the Cowboys, and
Speaker 1: he wants to throw it down the field. I think
Speaker 1: Frank Wright could accommodate him and give him what he wants,
Speaker 1: But I just don't see him as a fit in Dallas.
Speaker 1: So let's go to the other quarterback that people have
Speaker 1: been talking about here, Deshaun Watson. He's told the Houston
Speaker 1: Texans he wants out. He signed a contract last year
Speaker 1: basically making forty million dollars a year. Um, yeah, your
Speaker 1: thoughts there are people want to connect into the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: Would you entertain or have a discussion about that. If
Speaker 1: you're Jerry Stephen Jones and Will McClay mccraig, listen, I'm
Speaker 1: still high on deck Man. I like Deshaun Watson him,
Speaker 1: but the intangible, that the intensible that that that has
Speaker 1: here in Dallas is his leadership and familiarity with the
Speaker 1: with the players and the coaches that are here. The
Speaker 1: city loves them, the team loves him. He is the
Speaker 1: leader of the locker room, and when you get rid
Speaker 1: of him for DeShawn Watson, what you switch out is
Speaker 1: a brand new guy who has to now get familiar
Speaker 1: where everybody does here. Not saying that he can't do it,
Speaker 1: but this is pretty much turn key. You're still gonna
Speaker 1: be paying the guy forty million dollars. I mean it's
Speaker 1: the same thing you're gonna be paying Dak anyway. So
Speaker 1: you may ever will keep this guy and let him
Speaker 1: prove what he can do. Once you fix up you,
Speaker 1: once you fix up the defense and show up the
Speaker 1: offensive line to get that running game get back going.
Speaker 1: Dak is the guy who can take you to the
Speaker 1: super Bowl. I think it's too close of a match
Speaker 1: for you to be trading out Deshaun Watson and Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: I would give Deshaun Watson now the slight edge, but
Speaker 1: not enough for me to say, hey, Dak, you leave
Speaker 1: DeShawn Watson this much better than you. So you you
Speaker 1: telling me right now. If it was a one for
Speaker 1: one DeShawn for Dak, no questions asked, one for one trade,
Speaker 1: you would not do that. If you were the Dallas
Speaker 1: cout Boys, I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't do it because listen, listen, DeShawn Watson had
Speaker 1: a great year this year with with with with not
Speaker 1: that much talents. We were saying that. We were saying
Speaker 1: the same thing about Dak last year when they were
Speaker 1: losing and he was running up the stats getting trash yards.
Speaker 1: I mean so so, I mean the stats are crazy,
Speaker 1: The stats are crazy. Dak Prescott is one of the playoffs,
Speaker 1: just like uh, I think DeShawn Watson won the game
Speaker 1: and they lost in Kansas City. Right last year they
Speaker 1: beat they beat Buffalo and lost the case. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: listen that they both they both can win. But I'm
Speaker 1: not trading out that. First of all, that'll make the
Speaker 1: Joneses look horrible. You've been signing off on this guy
Speaker 1: saying how you gonna pay them and how much you
Speaker 1: love them, and you would just look horrible to the
Speaker 1: league and any other free agent that was gonna coming
Speaker 1: here and say, hold on, this is the dude you
Speaker 1: said you love. This is the guy you said you
Speaker 1: had his back. He were out there and broke his
Speaker 1: leg for y'all playing on the deal because y'all didn't
Speaker 1: pay them two years ago. And then you gonna let
Speaker 1: him go and bring in DeShawn Watson. And just imagine
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott going somewhere to coming and beating the Cowboys
Speaker 1: year in and year out after you let them go,
Speaker 1: after you trash them like that. That that'll just be horrible.
Speaker 1: And it ain't show friends, it's show business. If you're
Speaker 1: telling me Deshaun Watson can't come in here and win
Speaker 1: football game, It's is outrageous. The Cowboys fan base, they
Speaker 1: would four about one month, might might hate the Jones
Speaker 1: and might hate the Cowboys organization, but once Deshaun Watson
Speaker 1: came in here and start winning games, you would you
Speaker 1: wouldn't even hear about that pobscot anymore. Look, I think
Speaker 1: there's only maybe maybe maybe three teams in the National
Speaker 1: Football League that wouldn't make that deal right now. That's
Speaker 1: Kansas City, maybe maybe Green Bay with Aaron Rodgers, and
Speaker 1: maybe maybe Seattle with or Russell Wilson. Everybody else they
Speaker 1: would make that trade in the heartbeat, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys would do the same. What's what's second?
Speaker 1: What's second? Movie? Hold on, way, how about to Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson getting paid? Because I gotta I gotta push back
Speaker 1: on the Church with the he's getting he's getting forty.
Speaker 1: You don't want to pay back forty. You don't want
Speaker 1: to pay back for he's gonna get forty two, forty three,
Speaker 1: that's what the number. If Dak was getting forty, you
Speaker 1: would already signed that contract. If you wanted forty thirty five.
Speaker 1: We gotta look at the reports on that one year
Speaker 1: it was it was it was the thirty five. So
Speaker 1: and it became it became about the number of years
Speaker 1: Dak one or a four year deal. That's what these
Speaker 1: quarterbacks are signing. They're signing four years. The Cowboys wanted five.
Speaker 1: The Church. I would just want to interject this. You
Speaker 1: said one on one, Houston is not trade one Deshaun Watson,
Speaker 1: Dak Watson, Yes, that I can understand that. I will
Speaker 1: say hypothet right if it was one, would you okay, Well,
Speaker 1: let me tell you what the hypothetical aint go bee
Speaker 1: us there. Houston is for a voteload. So it is
Speaker 1: going to cost you act minimum Dak Prescott and your
Speaker 1: tenth overall pit. That's the minimum them that you're going
Speaker 1: to have to do to get into this. You would
Speaker 1: do it, do it, I do it, man, so long
Speaker 1: so you will so you so you want to go
Speaker 1: in on defense as long as as long as you
Speaker 1: can get rid of that. But if DeShawn Watson come
Speaker 1: share away that first pickle, you said, go pick a
Speaker 1: defensive player on and just have DeShawn Watson play. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be honest, I think that Shaan could do. You
Speaker 1: can do what the Cowboys had than Dak Prescott. Oh defense, No,
Speaker 1: I think he could. He could overcome a bad defense
Speaker 1: more than Dak Prescott could. I think a historically bad
Speaker 1: I don't know anybody could overcame a historically bad defense.
Speaker 1: But I got you many I think that I think
Speaker 1: he could be. I think he's a better quarterback than that.
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, Um, we gotta take a
Speaker 1: break here. We gotta take a break here. But when
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Speaker 1: joined by a former Dallas Cowboys safeties Barry Church and
Speaker 1: Danny mcray. So in the previous segment, Barry Church has
Speaker 1: let it be know he would trade Dak Prescott for
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson in a one on one on a one
Speaker 1: on one trade. I do not believe that's going to
Speaker 1: happen because the Houston Texans, by reports, are seeking at
Speaker 1: least three first round picks, and the Cowboys gonna have
Speaker 1: at the least give up their first round pick to
Speaker 1: get in the conversation along with Dak Prescott, McCray is
Speaker 1: that of the opinion he wants Dak now. I talked
Speaker 1: to trusted friend of mine who's who's been in professional
Speaker 1: football for well over thirty years and I said, give
Speaker 1: me your opinion on this. And first off, he said,
Speaker 1: he thought when you just asked he who's the better
Speaker 1: quarterback between Watson and Dak, he said he thought Watson
Speaker 1: was a better quarterback. But then he says, let's add
Speaker 1: in the other things. You got to think about the
Speaker 1: cost of what it will take for you to get Watson.
Speaker 1: He said he would keep Dak Scott. And then the
Speaker 1: other thing he pointed out, he said, look, Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: before he went down and even what he did last
Speaker 1: year was doing things right there comparable to what Deshaun
Speaker 1: Watson was able to do. So he thinks that Dak Prescott,
Speaker 1: while he's not as good at quarterback as Watson, he
Speaker 1: thinks he's right there. He thinks he's a young, up
Speaker 1: and coming quarterback and he would not give up um
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott based on the other things you'd have to
Speaker 1: give up. So that that that was his opinion on
Speaker 1: on the two players. But I'm sorry, Church, You're going
Speaker 1: to have to give up more than just Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: You're going to have to give up your first round
Speaker 1: pick at number ten. And oh, by the way, I
Speaker 1: guess what you're gonna have to sign Dak to a franchise,
Speaker 1: you know, to the franchise tag, and then you know,
Speaker 1: then move him on the way. So, um, I just think,
Speaker 1: um yeah, I just think that that's not you know,
Speaker 1: this is not gonna happen. First off, First off, let
Speaker 1: me just say this. If I'm Houston, I'm called up Deshan,
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, you you here, you got a contract,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be here. Yeah, let's work this out. What
Speaker 1: is it you need to do? I mean the nickname
Speaker 1: they gave cal mcnar down there. According to the Sports
Speaker 1: Illustrated articles, Tommy Boy based off the movie because he
Speaker 1: took over the family business and he don't know what
Speaker 1: he's doing. So Tommy Boy needs to get in there
Speaker 1: and tell Deshaun, short of me giving you profit sharing
Speaker 1: in the team, how can I help make this frantise?
Speaker 1: You want to be back with it? I mean, because
Speaker 1: you've got to do something. But do you need to
Speaker 1: add another year to the contract? Me? What is it
Speaker 1: you have to do to make this guy happy? You
Speaker 1: simply do not find guys like Deshaun Watson. I don't
Speaker 1: care if they get three first round picks, You're not
Speaker 1: gonna find another guy like Deshaun wats. I got a question.
Speaker 1: Did he did Deshaun Watson sign that contract after they
Speaker 1: got rid of DeAndre Hopkins? Yes, okay, So that's the
Speaker 1: thing I got. The problem I got with this whole Deshaun,
Speaker 1: you know, wanting out and all this other stuff. He
Speaker 1: there was problems existing in that organization before he signed
Speaker 1: the contract. So so I mean, I want out, I
Speaker 1: want this, I want that, I want it. But and
Speaker 1: then you go ahead and sign the contract if you
Speaker 1: wanted to get out and everything was wrong in the beginning,
Speaker 1: and you want to get out, why I signed the contract.
Speaker 1: But but Church, but Church, if I put the contract
Speaker 1: in front of you, and and and part of the
Speaker 1: stipulation of signing or the thing of signing this, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're gonna make sure we fix everything that you also
Speaker 1: brought to our attention if you sign this contract as well,
Speaker 1: so you'll be you'll begin on making these decisions, you'll
Speaker 1: be whatever. So that's where Deshaun Watson Fields played it,
Speaker 1: because he spoke about some stuff, you know, some concerns
Speaker 1: that he had. They told them, I'm sure with something
Speaker 1: going on with you know, they explain what happened with
Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins all the other stuff, and he thought, you
Speaker 1: know it's about to be a change, right, We're gonna
Speaker 1: make a change. I'm signing it. This This is why
Speaker 1: I want to be it because they said they're behind me,
Speaker 1: and then and then they weren't. So so you traded
Speaker 1: with his friend. You tell me, you apologize for and
Speaker 1: then you're like, oh yeah, all of stuff we said
Speaker 1: when you signed that contract that's out in the window.
Speaker 1: We go in a different direction. Understand, Church, understand that point. Church.
Speaker 1: I would I would tell you after the podcast, go
Speaker 1: look up the Sports Illustrated story about the Texans and
Speaker 1: Jack Easterby. Read that and it will give you some
Speaker 1: insight into the issues that he has with the organizations
Speaker 1: and other people across this league. Okay, so so that's there,
Speaker 1: and then I'll also give you this bit of information
Speaker 1: why he went to Clemson when he was recruited by
Speaker 1: Davos Sweeney and what they had there, the organization, the
Speaker 1: family like atmosphere. And we've seen since de Sean has
Speaker 1: left there. You know what they built there, that culture
Speaker 1: they built in Clemson has been very strong. He likes that.
Speaker 1: That's what he wants and that is not there at
Speaker 1: all in Houston. I again, it's just not um. And
Speaker 1: what Sports Illustrated the article will show you was how
Speaker 1: Call mcmayer has come in there and really he doesn't
Speaker 1: know what he's doing. I mean, he just doesn't. And
Speaker 1: if this is writers finding this out, imagine what the
Speaker 1: player who's there day after day has seen and what
Speaker 1: he knows. So so dive into that and I think
Speaker 1: it will help, you know, guide you a little bit
Speaker 1: into how he came to this decision. And he just said,
Speaker 1: hey man, thanks, but let's let's go go our separate ways. Here.
Speaker 1: We spoke earlier pre show about three free agents that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys have that they must sign outside of Dak Prescott. Okay,
Speaker 1: he is obviously the number one free agent of the
Speaker 1: guy they need to sign. But after him, who are
Speaker 1: three guys that you think the Cowboys need to take
Speaker 1: care of this offseason? Well, if you if this on me,
Speaker 1: there's three. There's three names. Three names that come to
Speaker 1: mind for me. And they're not household names. They're not
Speaker 1: big time names that all, man, we gotta sign him.
Speaker 1: He gonna help this out of third. But the three
Speaker 1: people that I and it's really four because it's kind
Speaker 1: of a slash between the two of them that I've
Speaker 1: I've got number one. We gotta take care of LP.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is and I'm talking about whatever. I
Speaker 1: don't even know how to really pronounce his last which
Speaker 1: I think that's the first time I even tried to
Speaker 1: say his last nagger. We always just call him LP.
Speaker 1: But anyways, this is the most consistent long snapper in
Speaker 1: the game. There hasn't been many box snaps with the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys since that Romo incident back in I think
Speaker 1: it was two thousand and seven in Seattle. That might
Speaker 1: have been the last box snap that we've had with
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys. I'm not certain about that. But LP
Speaker 1: is the most consistent guy on this team and we
Speaker 1: need to take care of it. Maybe a minimum contract,
Speaker 1: but we need to take care of the second. One
Speaker 1: is kind of a slash because it could be either
Speaker 1: or I'm going Justin March or I'm going Joe Thomas.
Speaker 1: We need somebody to back up these linebackers. I know
Speaker 1: we might addressed it in the draft, but if we don't,
Speaker 1: we need somebody to back up these linebackers. Every one
Speaker 1: of them has an injury prone I mean Sean Lee
Speaker 1: is a free agent this year. Lbe went down for
Speaker 1: some time, Jalen Smith went down before, so we need
Speaker 1: somebody back there that can back him up, that knows
Speaker 1: the system, that can run around and do similar things
Speaker 1: that these guys can do. And I think both of
Speaker 1: them can do that as well as help out on
Speaker 1: special teams. So I think we gotta take care of
Speaker 1: either one of those two, maybe even both. For either
Speaker 1: one of those two, once again, it won't be a
Speaker 1: huge contract with those guys at all. And last, but
Speaker 1: not least, we gotta take care of the MVP of
Speaker 1: the team, Danny's boy C J. Goodwin, I mean little
Speaker 1: that's been a dynamite on special teams. He's made play
Speaker 1: after play, whether it's tackling somebody, whether it's catching a
Speaker 1: reverse passing and taking it down down the field, and
Speaker 1: special teams. This guy is a guy that we need
Speaker 1: to market and bring back for special teams. We've seen
Speaker 1: how much that can hurt us when we don't have
Speaker 1: guys out there that can perform at a high left
Speaker 1: for on special teams, we give up a lot of
Speaker 1: field position. So for me, we gotta take care of
Speaker 1: these guys basically mainly for special teams, but they got
Speaker 1: to be a part of this team next year. Uh yeah, listen,
Speaker 1: I agree with you, Church, especially on LP. He has
Speaker 1: been that that Jason Winden type of model of consistency,
Speaker 1: especially since I've been in the league's he's been there.
Speaker 1: You can always depend on him to make his blots
Speaker 1: and make the snaps. And he's also one of those
Speaker 1: quiet leaders, right, you know, you can go talk to him.
Speaker 1: He kind of runs the special teams with the kicker.
Speaker 1: He's not the captain, but he's one of those guys
Speaker 1: who's always there, so you know the team can depend
Speaker 1: on him. So I'm definitely, you know, signing to some
Speaker 1: type of deal, some team friendly deal, and hopefully this
Speaker 1: is one of the first times that the Cowboy takes
Speaker 1: care of one of those special teams guys. So c J. Goodler, Man,
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for you. I am rooting for you. I
Speaker 1: hope you get everything you deserve. Look around the league
Speaker 1: and look at us what some of these guys are
Speaker 1: getting paid, and make sure the Cowboys take care of you.
Speaker 1: End that way, man, because you earned it. This year
Speaker 1: you were the MVP of the defense and this one, Matt,
Speaker 1: you may not like this from Church. But if the
Speaker 1: cost is right, I think you have to try to
Speaker 1: get Andy Dalton back. Well, yeah, listen, you got you got.
Speaker 1: You got a quarterback that's coming off a very very
Speaker 1: serious injury. Other than him, you have your guy double
Speaker 1: G on the roster, and you know, so we don't
Speaker 1: have anything. So you need that security blanket, just like
Speaker 1: you needed that security blanket this year. I think have
Speaker 1: we went in and had a different type of defensive
Speaker 1: game plan or talent on there and we got killing
Speaker 1: more to stick to what works, which is running the
Speaker 1: ball and focusing on play action. After that, I think
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton would have played a lot better and we
Speaker 1: would have win a lot, a lot, a lot deeper
Speaker 1: into the season and possibly get into the playoffs with
Speaker 1: a better record. So you need a safety You need
Speaker 1: a safety blanket. Man, Dak Prescot's coming off a serious injury.
Speaker 1: You don't know when he's gonna be ready. So I'm
Speaker 1: sharing up that backup quarterback spot. Did you see what
Speaker 1: happened to Andy on that last game when all the
Speaker 1: marbles was on the line, he reverted back to Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton the Cincinnati playoff and listen, we can't depend on
Speaker 1: that Andy Dalton. Look what happened to me? Man, this
Speaker 1: is crazy, this is out of listening. Listen. He was
Speaker 1: he was on and off, man, he was on and off.
Speaker 1: Like like you said, during the season, Andy Dalton had
Speaker 1: some some very bright spots to where you even changed
Speaker 1: his name. Yeah, he didn't play well. He didn't play
Speaker 1: well that last game. But I don't I don't think
Speaker 1: that's that's how he would play the entire season. I
Speaker 1: think this would be a second year in the offense.
Speaker 1: I think he'll play a little better if he has to.
Speaker 1: But I'm not I'm not taking my back of quarter
Speaker 1: position on double g. This does not happening. Not happening.
Speaker 1: M I can't believe you said that they go ahead
Speaker 1: and new. I can't believe talking about bringing par Paron
Speaker 1: back in the phone. Uh. Look, I think if you're
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton, this comes to a situation where you were,
Speaker 1: here's a back up spent, you know, spend a few
Speaker 1: games as a backup. Next thing you know, you're you're
Speaker 1: starting again. And I think that's what Andy's gonna try
Speaker 1: and do. He's gonna go out there and try and
Speaker 1: find a place where he can go and play. There
Speaker 1: were rumors about Andy to New England last year. Um,
Speaker 1: if I'm Andy, I tell my agent to call Bill Belichick. Hey, see,
Speaker 1: if I can get here, I'll take a one year
Speaker 1: deal and and you know, compete. But I think if
Speaker 1: you're Andy Dalton, you don't want to be back here.
Speaker 1: They're gonna bring bring back that they've told you they're
Speaker 1: playing on bringing back Dak Prescott, and he's gonna be
Speaker 1: the starter. So I just I just don't see Andy
Speaker 1: Dalton here. I think he came here for what he
Speaker 1: wanted to. Yes, Newly, Andy Dalton is at the bottom
Speaker 1: of the free agent quarterback list. All I think. I
Speaker 1: think there are many options out there that's better than
Speaker 1: Andy Dalton. He'll find himself looking for a job to
Speaker 1: be another backup after all the chips to settle when
Speaker 1: all these guys who are coming available this offseason. Okay,
Speaker 1: so so look at NEWI would you bring Andy Dalton
Speaker 1: back if everything lined up and he was all right,
Speaker 1: I'll be there? Would you bring Andy Dalton back if
Speaker 1: you can bring Andy Dalton back on the deal that
Speaker 1: you just signed him too, it's three million dollars deal. Yes,
Speaker 1: But I'm telling you, if I'm Andy Dalton. Okay, if
Speaker 1: I'm Andy Dalton, I'll go and take lesser money to
Speaker 1: go out here and play with Sean McVay, who's done
Speaker 1: with Jared Golf and compete with that other guy Walford
Speaker 1: that they have out there. Man, if I'm Andy Dalton,
Speaker 1: there's other situations. I would take the same money as
Speaker 1: the Cowboys or less money to go and compete and
Speaker 1: sign an incentive laden deal. You know, if the Bears
Speaker 1: are gon bringing up Mitchell Trabiski and Nick Foles, if
Speaker 1: I'm Andy Dalton, I'll go over there and I'll try
Speaker 1: my hand there. I mean, there's just other situations across
Speaker 1: this league right now that I feel. If I'm Andy Dalton,
Speaker 1: I think I got a better shot to go play
Speaker 1: and actually get in there. I mean, Teddy Bridgewater up
Speaker 1: there in Carolina, they ain't exactly given him a whole
Speaker 1: voter confidence. So if I'm Andy Dalton, I'm gonna take
Speaker 1: my shot where I think I got an opportunity to
Speaker 1: play here. You know, the only way you're going to
Speaker 1: play is if Dak Prescott is injured. These other situations
Speaker 1: you actually could get an opportunity to play. Who knows
Speaker 1: what they're going do out there in New Orleans. And
Speaker 1: if they say they're gonna go with Taysom Hill, Shoot,
Speaker 1: if I'm Andy Dalton, I roll out there too. Because
Speaker 1: we know Taysom Hill cannot throw the football. Okay, he
Speaker 1: can't do it. So that's my thing on Andy. There's
Speaker 1: better situations out there that I think he could could hit.
Speaker 1: The three free agents I have that, I think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys should resign. CJ was number one for me. The
Speaker 1: Cowboys special teams. It was better under John Fossell. I
Speaker 1: think it can continue to get better. But CJ good
Speaker 1: when it's a guy that if you lose him, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have a hard time replacing him. This is a
Speaker 1: young man who knows what he's doing and you can
Speaker 1: trust him. Trusting guys on special teams and knowing what
Speaker 1: they're doing. I just think that's valuable. Number Two Joe Looney.
Speaker 1: Joe Looney is a guy who can play center, he
Speaker 1: can play guard. You bring him back here and if
Speaker 1: he's backing up at both of those positions. He knows
Speaker 1: this offense, he's trusted. I just think that's that to me,
Speaker 1: is a valuable deal. We know how injuries go in
Speaker 1: the National Football League, and especially after last year with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Joe Looney's a guy I'm bringing back. And
Speaker 1: a third guy that I'm going to bring back we
Speaker 1: didn't bring up. And obviously LP's the name I probably
Speaker 1: should have had on the list, But I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: you a name here. Unrestricted wide receiver Noah Brown. There's
Speaker 1: a guy that I looked at. I thought he had
Speaker 1: some nice moments last year, and I'd like to bring
Speaker 1: him back if I'm the Cowboys, because once again it's
Speaker 1: injuries and having some depth here and somebody that knows
Speaker 1: your offense. I'd like to see what Noah Brown could do.
Speaker 1: I'd like to see what he could do with Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: So those are my three tacks. You know, you know
Speaker 1: who I would like to see what they can do.
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper. I want to see what a Cooper. I
Speaker 1: would have seen what al Mara Cooper could do when
Speaker 1: you treat him like the number one receiver that he
Speaker 1: deserves to be treated like scheme ups the rose for
Speaker 1: the guy. Let him get sixteen seventeen hundred yards in
Speaker 1: the season with ten touchdowns. Have him out there looking
Speaker 1: like Davante Adams. Keep Noah Brown author roster because the
Speaker 1: more weapons that you give Keller Moore, the more Amari
Speaker 1: Cooper falls to the wayside. And that twenty million dollars
Speaker 1: that he's making is going out the window this year,
Speaker 1: it's going you. You might not even be starting. Can
Speaker 1: I say that? Can I say this? Danny? You walked
Speaker 1: right into the trap when I broke down? No bol,
Speaker 1: I was like, I do, what's gonna happen with this? Danny?
Speaker 1: You just walking right on through that one? I listen.
Speaker 1: I wanted to be in there, man. I want people
Speaker 1: to Amari Cooper is the number one receiver and he
Speaker 1: deserves to be treated and such, specially getting paid one
Speaker 1: hundred million bucks. All right, So treat him that way. Man.
Speaker 1: We don't need numbre receivers. We got Gallop, we got
Speaker 1: CD and we got a Murray Cooper, we got Blake Joe,
Speaker 1: when we got Usten. We got so many weapons. We
Speaker 1: don't need another one to take the attention off of
Speaker 1: our number one guy who is going to help carry
Speaker 1: us deep into the playoffs and possibly to a super Bowl. No.
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear another about Noah Brown. Did
Speaker 1: you guys, did you guys have your top three quarterback
Speaker 1: free agents? Did you have your list there? If we're
Speaker 1: in if we're talking about if we're bringing every quarterback
Speaker 1: that may be free agents, Oh yeah, we can do that.
Speaker 1: All right, go ahead, Church, what you got the top three?
Speaker 1: Now we're talking about just top three quarterbacks? Right? Just
Speaker 1: free agents coming up? Listen that that that includes that
Speaker 1: to me, that includes like Big Band who possibly could
Speaker 1: be available. And I also threw in, uh yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: I never remember. And the thing, these are guys who
Speaker 1: could possibly be on the move this year, like if
Speaker 1: you wanted to make a move for Deshaun Watson, if
Speaker 1: you want to make a move for Big Band because
Speaker 1: they weren't gonna pay him forty million dollars and he
Speaker 1: ended up being whatever. This is, these are people who
Speaker 1: could possibly be available. Who are the top guys? We'll
Speaker 1: go ahead? Then you got you gotta go ahead? Go ahead?
Speaker 1: All right, Listen, I'm going Jamis Winston, Cam Newton and
Speaker 1: Ryan Fitzpatrick. Now I'm kidding. I'm kidding Patrick. I was
Speaker 1: a kidding man. I'm a kid. I was a kid. Listen,
Speaker 1: my number my number one guy, just because everybody is
Speaker 1: talking about him, everybody's talking about him. The number one
Speaker 1: guy to me has to be de Sean Watson. Where
Speaker 1: is he landing there? What type of deal are you
Speaker 1: trying to put together if you're a team that really
Speaker 1: needs a quarterback and and and that's that's the only
Speaker 1: thing that you need to get you really started, or
Speaker 1: you looking for a franchise guy. De Sean Watson. I
Speaker 1: want to put back second because I don't want him
Speaker 1: to go anywhere. But you know, in all reality, he
Speaker 1: is going to be a free agent and he could
Speaker 1: possibly be on the move and that that would be
Speaker 1: very unfortunate for us. And number three for me would
Speaker 1: be my guy Stafford. And even though he's not healthy,
Speaker 1: I think if you put him in the right system,
Speaker 1: maybe a New England, maybe San Francisco, you know, get
Speaker 1: him with the right coach and the right weapons, I
Speaker 1: think he can be a top player. He could carret
Speaker 1: team deeper to the playoffs as well. So those are
Speaker 1: my top three, Okay, solid list, solid lists for me.
Speaker 1: If we're talking about guys that may be on the move,
Speaker 1: included into this top free agent list or top quarterback
Speaker 1: lists of guys who might might change teams. My three
Speaker 1: and would be of course the shan Watson. We've talked
Speaker 1: a lot about him where he could land in the
Speaker 1: possibilities for me to shan Watching, the best landing spot
Speaker 1: in my opinion for him would be out there. I
Speaker 1: don't know if this is gonna get done. It probably
Speaker 1: ain't gonna get done, but I would say San Francisco
Speaker 1: just because to me, they have one of the most
Speaker 1: creative offensive minds over there in Shanahan, and I feel
Speaker 1: like Shanahan, after a couple of years, he could be considered,
Speaker 1: you know, one of them offensive geniuses like Andy Reid.
Speaker 1: So I think if he took his talents over there
Speaker 1: to San Francisco with that bona fide running attack, it
Speaker 1: seems like no matter who's in the backfield, you got
Speaker 1: Unt's Jeff Wilson back there, you got Tavin coleman Um,
Speaker 1: you got Mozart back there. Whoever's back there running the ball,
Speaker 1: they do it effectively and it would have put a
Speaker 1: lot of pressure off of the Shaw Watson. So if
Speaker 1: I think if he went out there and combined with Shanahan,
Speaker 1: I think that would be an immaculate, immaculate couple right there.
Speaker 1: But I highly highly doubt that's gonna happen. Um, so
Speaker 1: from my number two possible, and I think it's the
Speaker 1: most intriguing quarterback that could be on the move. To me,
Speaker 1: it's Big Ben out out in Pittsburgh. Um. To me,
Speaker 1: he came across if you guys listened a little bit
Speaker 1: today for his interview yesterday or today, one of the two,
Speaker 1: he came across to me as being kind of kind
Speaker 1: of begging for his job. I mean, like, this is
Speaker 1: one of the best quarterbacks to ever play the game
Speaker 1: in my opinion, But he's out there saying, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, I'll take I'll take a pay cut. It
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what I'm paid, just you know, just give
Speaker 1: me one more shot at as a as a quarterback
Speaker 1: for the Pittsburgh Steelers. And then if you've seen the
Speaker 1: Rooney's over there, they're saying, yeah, you know, you know,
Speaker 1: we would like to have Big Ben back, but these
Speaker 1: are gonna a lot of things are yeah, like it
Speaker 1: like not to change. But that's legitimate. I mean, you
Speaker 1: guys have been in this business song enough and you
Speaker 1: signed you know, you've seen contracts that forty one million
Speaker 1: dollars they put in there. You're never going to be paid.
Speaker 1: It was just something that the agent put in there
Speaker 1: to make it look good that he could send up
Speaker 1: and say I got being an extension and paying blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. But they were never paying the forty one
Speaker 1: million dollars. And Rooney came out and said it, we
Speaker 1: ain't paying forty one million dollars. And I think, from
Speaker 1: what But if you're a big man, do you do
Speaker 1: you you beg for it like that? To me, I'm
Speaker 1: not doing that if I mean, this is a guy
Speaker 1: that's a two times Super Bowl chant like, look, he
Speaker 1: ain't the same. I'm sorry, bro, he looked like he
Speaker 1: looked shot. Okay, he looked like a shot fighter this year. Okay.
Speaker 1: So and it's not after that surgery. This is just
Speaker 1: one year after that surgery. They say it takes two
Speaker 1: years to get back. So maybe I'm him. I'm not
Speaker 1: begging for the job like that, but but look I wouldn't.
Speaker 1: But they're telling you, hey, bro, we like you, but
Speaker 1: we don't like your forty one. But at this situation,
Speaker 1: you look at where the Steelers are at. Okay, they're
Speaker 1: up against the cap. Bud Dupree is a free agent.
Speaker 1: They've got it. They're now in that window. Where they
Speaker 1: can resign t J. Watt, Juju Smith Schuster is a
Speaker 1: free agent him they need a lesson. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: they've got serious contractual issues. And the lowest apparently according
Speaker 1: to Bob Graiziano esp and the lowest they could get
Speaker 1: Ben to is twenty three million dollars. So ask yourself,
Speaker 1: this is Ben Roethlisberger worth twenty three million dollars as
Speaker 1: a quarterback next year? Or can you move on and
Speaker 1: get a cheaper option? Can you go get a Andy Dalton,
Speaker 1: a Jameis Winston? Do you give up your number one
Speaker 1: for Matthew Stafford who's making about twenty seventy million dollars?
Speaker 1: So who would you rather have? Matt Stafford at twenty
Speaker 1: seven million or Ben Roethlisberger making twenty three? Possible are
Speaker 1: we saying? Are we saying Stafford and the number up
Speaker 1: there with big Ben Roethlisberger at this point, if you're
Speaker 1: telling me next year, I could have take those casts
Speaker 1: to eleven and old. I mean they took towards the end,
Speaker 1: but he did take If Pittsburgh, if Pittsburgh don't get
Speaker 1: a running game, it don't matter who they got out there,
Speaker 1: all right, They couldn't run the ball two yards, all right,
Speaker 1: So it don't matter who you got out the big
Speaker 1: baby throwing the ball sixty times. You know, Matthew Stafford
Speaker 1: and throw a sixty times. He ain't gonna win those games.
Speaker 1: They can't win that way. You're right, James, James Connor
Speaker 1: is a free agent. You need to upgrade your offensive linster.
Speaker 1: So there's a whole lot of issues there. But I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I would I would. I would wave goodbye to been Roethlisberger,
Speaker 1: and if I'm a team out here, I wouldn't be
Speaker 1: signing him. He is passed. What you're going to get
Speaker 1: is almost what Indianapolis got out of Philip Rivers. He
Speaker 1: was okay, but Rivers couldn't take them over the top.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have that ability anymore. These guys are like pictures.
Speaker 1: When in their prime they were throwing a ninety seven
Speaker 1: ninety eight, you couldn't touch it. Now they had lost
Speaker 1: five miles an hour. People are tagging that ball, and
Speaker 1: so now they got to be crafty with it. Some
Speaker 1: days they'll be good, some days they'll be bad. They're
Speaker 1: not what they used to be, and that's the problem.
Speaker 1: You're paying for a guy who's not what he used
Speaker 1: to be. And that's what the Steelers, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: should go ahead and say goodbye to. If he's not
Speaker 1: what he used to be, why are we gonna keep
Speaker 1: playing this game? Why we're gonna keep on doing this?
Speaker 1: So you don't think he even at twenty three mile,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't bring any back for one year. At twenty three,
Speaker 1: I'll give I'll bring him back with forty one is
Speaker 1: out of pocket. There's no way, there's no way in
Speaker 1: hell he's even near forty one. But but twenty three,
Speaker 1: at some point, I think they gave one more. At
Speaker 1: some point in time, you need to hit the reset, buddy,
Speaker 1: And okay, and I'm gonna go ahead and look at
Speaker 1: the Saints this year. Here's a team that tried to
Speaker 1: go one more year at Drew Brees. Now. I heard
Speaker 1: they were in conversations with Tom Brady and and what
Speaker 1: I was told was a Sean Payton really would have
Speaker 1: liked it had Tom Brady. But you know know, they kept
Speaker 1: going back and forth with Drew, and Drew kind of
Speaker 1: held him up. And then at this end Drew said, okay, fine,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. But they were looking to move
Speaker 1: on from Drew Brees. From what I was told from
Speaker 1: an inside who knows the organization very well, But what
Speaker 1: did we see from Drew last year? They could win
Speaker 1: some games, but this dude couldn't throw it down feeling
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. To Bowler is like, man, this guy
Speaker 1: person he was hurt and this dude couldn't push the
Speaker 1: ball down to feel they sat on the routes. Ben
Speaker 1: Roethlisberger is a guy. Man, Look, I'm sorry. They're not
Speaker 1: gonna win games and this dude he don't even throw
Speaker 1: it down to feel like he used to. You gotta
Speaker 1: start saying goodbye to these older dudes and move on, man,
Speaker 1: move on. If you're the Steelers, trade I will. I
Speaker 1: will trade up in the draft. I'll trade up in
Speaker 1: the draft and go get it, get one of these guys.
Speaker 1: But I would not be sitting up here trying to
Speaker 1: do this thing with with Ben roethlisbergers scause you end
Speaker 1: up like Philip Rivers and the Coast. These guys can't
Speaker 1: put you over the top. I know, I know you
Speaker 1: want to get on Drew Brees and not throwing it
Speaker 1: down the field, but they made deep threats. He had
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Sanders. Man, they didn't get the ball down Emmanuel Sanders.
Speaker 1: They Immanuel Sanders ain't no true. He's not a true
Speaker 1: He's a route runner. That's what he's good at, running routes,
Speaker 1: just like Michael Thomas. They were set up to run
Speaker 1: to run quick game, short routes. Slanting Diggs. That that
Speaker 1: that that's the type of person on their head on
Speaker 1: the sad. They tried it one more They tried it
Speaker 1: one more time. They tried it one more time with him.
Speaker 1: They tried it one more time with Drew Brees and
Speaker 1: it didn't work. And now they're finally going to move
Speaker 1: on from him. But I just I just thought Drew
Speaker 1: Brees he I thought he had his run. I thought
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers had his run. And now I'm of the
Speaker 1: opinion Ben Roethlisberger has had his run. But if people
Speaker 1: want to keep on running it back like giants, tried
Speaker 1: to show show me where it works with these guys
Speaker 1: that are older like this, in these late thirties. These dudes,
Speaker 1: are you looking at me like, hey man, he ain't
Speaker 1: got it into one. I mean, show me where it's
Speaker 1: working with some of these guys. Where you've seen cracks
Speaker 1: in their army. Tell me, tell me who it worked
Speaker 1: with outside of Tom Brady. But I think I think
Speaker 1: all big Ben knees Man is a solid running game man,
Speaker 1: and he has a solid running game like he did
Speaker 1: in his early part of his career. I think he can.
Speaker 1: I think he can take those guys, you know that,
Speaker 1: maybe even a distance, maybe even all the way. But
Speaker 1: I just don't think he can do it on his
Speaker 1: own anymore. I don't think he can just use his
Speaker 1: arm strength to will a team um to that, to that,
Speaker 1: to that top of the mountain. I think he needs
Speaker 1: help around him, and I think he needs a solid
Speaker 1: running game. But at twenty three if if you can
Speaker 1: get him at twenty three mill with a good running game,
Speaker 1: I think you do it. I think you give it
Speaker 1: one more goal. No, man, you just gave it one
Speaker 1: more goal. And that's the thing. You know, he's coming
Speaker 1: up shoulders certain, Yeah, we got one more goal. You
Speaker 1: just gave it one more go and it didn't go
Speaker 1: the way you wanted to. So so now you're saying,
Speaker 1: let's try it one more time, then you're gonna be
Speaker 1: the Saints. Well they tried it one more time with
Speaker 1: with with Drew Brees. Sooner or later, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to just say, hey man, we gotta go get somebody.
Speaker 1: We gotta go get somebody. Maybe you move up in
Speaker 1: the draft. You keep him at twenty three, and maybe
Speaker 1: you move up in the draft and get your quarterback
Speaker 1: so you can be that bridge guy. Maybe he'll be
Speaker 1: that bridge guy who knows that. I say, you give
Speaker 1: him think so, chur Church. Remember when you were growing
Speaker 1: up and they kept giving or else Steward one more time.
Speaker 1: You know he had that great slash year. They kept
Speaker 1: on trying to find that slash here one more time,
Speaker 1: they say, and they said, you know what, man, we're
Speaker 1: gonna go draft a quarterback. And they drafted big then.
Speaker 1: So at some point time, man, you gotta stop trying
Speaker 1: to hey man, maybe one more time this our teams.
Speaker 1: Do I know he get this? I knew like once
Speaker 1: you get close to the end of the show this,
Speaker 1: I knew he get man. He started talking about crazy
Speaker 1: and talked about nights on, about cut Steward. You know, Stewart,
Speaker 1: it's a big Ben Roethlinisburger vacame. We all an hour, Yes,
Speaker 1: we're at We're over an hour here, Christ Chris Bean
Speaker 1: has things to do here on a Friday, all right,
Speaker 1: Danny McCray, Barry Church, fun fun conversations always. We will
Speaker 1: be back next week here on the players line that
Speaker 1: throwing out our opinions and such. But let us just
Speaker 1: be known that Danny McCrae and I are on board
Speaker 1: for Dak Prescott over uh Matthew Stafford and the church
Speaker 1: for some reason in love with matt Stafford. But this
Speaker 1: is a conversation. We'll continue, Watson or you gonna leave
Speaker 1: out de Shaun Watson too, and and and Church. She's
Speaker 1: also in there for Deshaun Watson. Danny and I are
Speaker 1: there for Dak Prescott. So we're all good. Just like
Speaker 1: the picks last week, Baby, I'm going out staff And
Speaker 1: what about this and the And what I said about
Speaker 1: Stafford was, hey, I say you do your homework on it.
Speaker 1: I say you don't go ahead and pull the trigger
Speaker 1: or nothing like that. You just do your homework on it.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying with Stafford. But Deshaun Watson call
Speaker 1: it a day where I signed up. Man, what I'm
Speaker 1: paid for the paperwork out? Man? Give me a pen,
Speaker 1: Give me a pen. What do they think the twenty ninth, Yeah,
Speaker 1: January twenty nine, right, all right, all right, everybody, thanks
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