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Speaker 1: camp in northeast Montana. Boys, we are officially under the

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Speaker 1: Big Sky, the big night Sky of Montana. Yes we are.

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Speaker 1: learned some about you. You're a wrestler, yeah, or you

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Speaker 1: And so you're telling me that. So I was over

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Speaker 1: in the house and stuff. But we have to kindel

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00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: these hunting dogs most of the time just because they

426
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 1: will go off and go hunting. But Tim he sticks

427
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,639
Speaker 1: around the house. And uh, my wife just sent us

428
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: a video. Tim is like an ultimate character of a dog,

429
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 1: like he's he's actually becoming a solid squirrel dog. Um,

430
00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: he's a feist and trinker. But he will sing to

431
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 1: a harmonica like nobody's business. You play harmonica and he

432
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 1: he will sing like a like a angel as American

433
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: got talent. Yeah exactly. So anyway, we've been we've been

434
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: watching videos of tim while we were elk hunting today.

435
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: But no dogs. Um, so what's a big cat for

436
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: up here in northeast. I would say the average tom,

437
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: like a like a good mature average Tom would be

438
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: around a hundred and fifty two hundred sixty pounds. Big

439
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: Tom would be around that mark. I think that two

440
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,520
Speaker 1: hundred mark is maybe few and far between. There might

441
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: be a couple of them roaming around. But yeah, that's

442
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: a b C cat. Yeah, I feel like that's pretty um,

443
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,680
Speaker 1: pretty standard. Would you say most people would be like

444
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: I mean if you were talking about Ottaho or even

445
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: New Mexico or Arizona. I mean cats, A big cat,

446
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: A big cat, yeah, and a two hundred pound cat

447
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:01,439
Speaker 1: is a world class cat anywhere anywhere? Do you know

448
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: much about like these cats up here? Make Boone and Crockett.

449
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: You know, in the bear world and in the line

450
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 1: of the world, there's certain places where they have bigger

451
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: skull cat last year and I haven't got the skull

452
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 1: back from getting beetled. But he should be done and

453
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,639
Speaker 1: dried and everything. But I wouldn't be surprised if he

454
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: is close to Boone and Crockett. Definitely Pop and young

455
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:29,120
Speaker 1: I showed him to my recurve, but mhm, definitely would be. Yeah,

456
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:32,320
Speaker 1: but there is I know that there is an area

457
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 1: in Montana that consistently is in the Boone and Crockett. Yeah,

458
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:41,439
Speaker 1: and I want to say it's over by bailings like

459
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: Yellow Stump, like County or something that consistently is in

460
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: the books for Boone and Crockett. But up in this

461
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 1: area isn't known for book cat. I mean, I don't

462
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of guys that are turning it

463
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: in though either. You know, well, that's always been really

464
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 1: interesting to me with It's in the same way with

465
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: bears is that there's there's certain sections of the continent

466
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,920
Speaker 1: that just produced big bears. And it's not because they

467
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: live longer there. I mean, they do have to live

468
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,239
Speaker 1: long to grow big skulls. But but it's all just

469
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,120
Speaker 1: about regional genetics. Yeah, they're not necessarily the biggest animal either,

470
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 1: That's right. And it's not necessarily the biggest bodied animal.

471
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: Just you know, some some bears are going to have,

472
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: you know, exceptionally long skulls or the skulls, you know what.

473
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's the same for bears with cats. I mean,

474
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: I'm not too familiar with the bear skulls, but the cats.

475
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: You might see a punkin headed cat, but he just

476
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: might be a healthy cat and have quite a bit

477
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 1: of fat and muscle built. British Columbia is probably the

478
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: go to place for big book cats, Is that right? Yeah,

479
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: I would say so. There's an outfitter up there that

480
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: I know of that consistently put up two pounders cats.

481
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: It's probably a little bit of Bergman's law. Of familiar

482
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: with Bergman's law about things. The farther from the equator

483
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: you get, the big larger the animals. I know. I

484
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: know that there are some things that it seems to

485
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: be true with and others that not so much, like

486
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 1: moose and stuff. They say, Yeah, I just wonder the

487
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: big cats have anything, you know. I'm sure there. I'm

488
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: sure there is something to do that too. I just

489
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 1: think colder tamps too, you know those, I think they're

490
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,240
Speaker 1: always constantly in survival mode and having to eat and

491
00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: having to stay on top of it. Whereas a cat

492
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: that's living in whether like this through the summer, I mean,

493
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: they might not have to roam so hard. Do you

494
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: see any trends in the way these cats moved through

495
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: this country? You do? And there I'm really lucky, Like

496
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,040
Speaker 1: right behind the house is like a hot spot for females,

497
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 1: so come when the breeding sea and starts for them,

498
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: which is really kind of random, it seems like, but

499
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: it seems like we get a lot of the toms

500
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: that locate but you see them. Really they have a

501
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: wide range, very wide range. Yeah, they do they I think.

502
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,880
Speaker 1: I think I've heard the same thing. And I've never

503
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: spoken with a mounta lion biologist or anything, but but

504
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: I think they can have kittens any time of year.

505
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: I think so too. It's not it's not like a

506
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: bear or like a white tail or an elk that

507
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 1: that fawns or kids. It has kittens at a certain time.

508
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: And that's what I mean. Like, it seems like when

509
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: a female comes into heat over by us, and it

510
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: seems like we have a really strong female population over

511
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: there by the house, and it seems like we get

512
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: a couple of toms that are resident tom's for a

513
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: few weeks at that females and heat, and then you

514
00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: might not see a tom for a month. Do you

515
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: find that those cats like like traveling, like where you

516
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: find tracks? Do you find tracks in the same places consistently?

517
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: So a lot of a lot of the road crossing

518
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: spots that we find them you find that there's a

519
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: creek bottom there that they might have been hunting that

520
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,479
Speaker 1: creek bottom, working that creek bottom, and then they'll cross

521
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: section and go up put another logging trail or up

522
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: a deer trail or just a side road. Yeah, but

523
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: a lot of the and that's how a lot of

524
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: the tracks are that we find, or they're either working

525
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: the timber line. You'll just see them cutting back and

526
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: forth through there where there's a heavy, small like two

527
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: track or something that's not traveled often. And yeah, it

528
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: seems like to make one cross. But yeah, for we

529
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: do see this a lot of the same tracks in

530
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: the same areas. What's a long line race for you, Well,

531
00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: a long one would be my cat. We treat him

532
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,920
Speaker 1: once in three d yards and then he jumped the

533
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: tree and didn't tree again for over seven and a

534
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:09,480
Speaker 1: half miles. Was it a hot race after that? No,

535
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: the dogs actually lost him for a second. We don't

536
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: know how. I think we had too many pups cut

537
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: in the race. And when that cat jumped, things just

538
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: got crazy and dogs ran over top tracks and ran

539
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:27,320
Speaker 1: around and they just kept going and we ended up

540
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: cutting the track back again up on top right by

541
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: the pickup. The the cat ended up arounding made a

542
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: big circle. Yeah. We had a couple of dogs in

543
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: the box. We heard them barking like crazy, and we

544
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 1: ended up going back up top by the pickup, and

545
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: he ran right by the pickup. And I think he

546
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: ran so far because he cut through his like a

547
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: stubble field, like an open field, and just kept where

548
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: there was no like an old wheat field and just

549
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 1: nothing to tree, nothing to so I just think he

550
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 1: kept running. Yeah. But yeah, for our average race, though,

551
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 1: I would say, is anywhere from our average long race

552
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: would be like a mile really a mile and a

553
00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 1: half or so. They get, they get a lot of

554
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: country to run. It seems like, well, what about the

555
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: couldtrare I mean, wouldn't you cold trail him something cold trail? Yeah?

556
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, our cold trailing can be we do where

557
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: where I line hunt out though, we have a good

558
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: opportunity to kind of circle our tracks and say, okay,

559
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: the cat is in this. I just let's take a

560
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: minute and describe. Like someone that's never lined it might

561
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: not understand. So let's say there's you're in a you're

562
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: in a block of country, and there's a road that

563
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: runs north and south here, and then a mile away

564
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 1: there's another road that runs north and south, and a

565
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,720
Speaker 1: mile away there's another road that runs north and south.

566
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: And you cut a track on the one of these roads,

567
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: and you could say the cats running east to west.

568
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 1: And so you go, well, let's go see if he's

569
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 1: crossed yep, across other road yep. And you go drive

570
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: the other road and sure enough, he's crossed it. So

571
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: you go, well, let's go let's not start there, let's

572
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: keep going. So you drive over and you drive on

573
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 1: the other road, and he hadn't crossed there yet yep.

574
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: So you determine that he is still in between B

575
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 1: and C yep, And so you go back two road

576
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 1: B and turn out on that track exactly. So, because

577
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: there's less roads, you have shorter races, because the houndsmen

578
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: are doing some of the work. Yeah, yep. And I

579
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 1: think we get a lot of chance to help out

580
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: our dogs, and these pups get a young It's good

581
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 1: for young dogs because they're getting to see a lot

582
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: of cats and getting to work a lot of tracks

583
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:45,879
Speaker 1: and tracks that you can help him on. You make

584
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: them work through it, but you're giving him a good

585
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: fighting t Tell me what you mean by help him on?

586
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 1: You get you get a chance to say, hey, this

587
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 1: cat is definitely in here. And when I cut you loose,

588
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: I know that you should find him. But if you

589
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 1: do not, I get in there and I know I

590
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: can help you sort it out. So you're you'll be

591
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: walking around looking for fresh tracks in the snow. You

592
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: see a track, you call the dogs over and help

593
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: them out a little bit. So that's what that means. Yeah,

594
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: I like to late. I like to let my dogs

595
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: work a little bit before I call them over, just

596
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 1: so they're not so quick to rely on to be

597
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: standing over top of the tracks, so when the going

598
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 1: gets tough, they're not looking at me. I like to

599
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: I'll go and stand by it. But I like to

600
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: see what they do if they if they get sorted out. Yeah. Man,

601
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:35,479
Speaker 1: I'm really intrigued by lion hunting. You know, I coon

602
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 1: hunt in in the line of dogs that I have

603
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 1: are from a long line of big game dogs, bear

604
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: and lion dogs. My dogs we've only run coon with

605
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 1: in Arkansas because that's all it's legal there. But man,

606
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: there's something really intriguing to me about lion hunting, and

607
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: I think I think it has a lot to do

608
00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: with just the incredible and I'm all that mountain lion

609
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 1: is I mean, just the fact that we've got this

610
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty pound cat in North America that's one

611
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: of the most well the most efficient predator on our continent.

612
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: Would you all say that's true? I mean, if you

613
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 1: heard that. I heard people say that, but I would

614
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: say that's true too, And I would and I I'm

615
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: drawn to him like that because the simple fact is,

616
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,799
Speaker 1: how many people can you honestly say, I've seen a

617
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 1: mountain line And you could count on probably less than

618
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:33,840
Speaker 1: one hand on how many people have been out in

619
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: the woods and seen a mountain line. Right, there's such

620
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: an elusive you can live in good mountain lion country

621
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: your whole life and never see one. I mean, nothing

622
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: beats taken a person to see their first mountain lion. Yeah,

623
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: I mean the first time they look up in that

624
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: tree and see a cat that size and it's it's

625
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: cool there. You would never want to do that, though,

626
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: is that right? That is not right? That is not right.

627
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: You do want to do that? You know what I

628
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: have I've seen one mountain lion. Uh, that wasn't being

629
00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: pursued by dogs or something in British Columbia. Yep, I

630
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: was were spring bear hunting in British Columbia, just total chance,

631
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: just driving down the road to go bear hunting, and

632
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 1: ah in a lion jumps out in the middle of

633
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: the road, sees us and runs down the middle of

634
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: the road for probably a hundred yards. And how many

635
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: days in hours do you think you've spent in the

636
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: field around mountain lions And that's the only one, well

637
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: I've seen. Here's what I think is I think I

638
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: was extremely lucky. Yep, I don't think if you did

639
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: looked at the statistics in the time I've actually spent

640
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,720
Speaker 1: in really good lion country, I I think I got lucky.

641
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: I say the same thing. I mean, I can't even

642
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,399
Speaker 1: count how many countless hours riding a horse are being

643
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: in lion country hunting elk or mule deer, or even

644
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 1: with the dogs that just you I've never I've seen

645
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,839
Speaker 1: two with all of them really just crossing the road

646
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: to you know what's funny about that? Everybody and they're

647
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: probably se This is my big pet peeve about people

648
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: from the South, is that about seventy of people in

649
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: Arkansas say they've seen a mountain line there if you

650
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: figured that out yet, everybody thinks they've seen a mountain

651
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: line and we don't even have them. Now we do

652
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 1: have we have a few chase just to the last

653
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 1: couple of years that it's like officially been documented that

654
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: we have mountain lions in Arkansas. A guy killed one,

655
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: uh down in South Arkansas while he was deer hunting,

656
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: killed a lion called game and fish like, hey, I

657
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: shot this thing, and um and uh, I have some

658
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: buddies um in Southwest Arkansas that uh for a while,

659
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: they're we're pretty regularly sending me uh lion photos. Like

660
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: it takes a lot to convince me. Like if somebody

661
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: sends me a line photo and it's like, hey, I

662
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: got this on a trail camera and you know, West Arkansas,

663
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: unless I know them and know their character, like did

664
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: you get that off the internet, I'm just like, okay, man, Well,

665
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 1: this was one of my good friends who I knew

666
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: was telling the truth, and he was getting cell cam

667
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: pictures under a deer feeder, which is classic Southwest Arkansas,

668
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: a tripod deer feeder, and uh he sent me the

669
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: picture like two minutes after it was taken. You know

670
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like the time stamp on it was like,

671
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 1: holy cow, that was like ten minutes ago. Um. And anyway,

672
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: So there are lines. But I'm being funny when I

673
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,879
Speaker 1: say everybody in Arkansas says they see the line, because

674
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: they do. People are like so many people are like, yep,

675
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 1: I heard a mountain line screaming back behind my grandma's house.

676
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: That's what people say. And I, I just I just

677
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: don't buy it. I don't either. I don't buy it.

678
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 1: You know how many times if you heard a mountain

679
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: lion scream not in a tree, I know they I

680
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: don't even I don't even know if I have in

681
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: a tree. I've heard them, yeah, hissing, but I don't

682
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: know if I even have in a tree. A lot

683
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: of the lines, we can't go to sleep really yeah,

684
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 1: just get up there and yeah, and I kind of

685
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: did some research into it, and I think it's just

686
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: like wired into them. You know. That was like we

687
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 1: talked about with other animals, like how they feel safe

688
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: when they're up in a just a stress. Yeah, just

689
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: once they're up there. You know what a coon when

690
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: many times they will lay up in the tree and

691
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 1: shut their eyes. Yeah, I mean, I don't know that

692
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 1: they're sleeping, but but they I think, I don't know.

693
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 1: They certainly don't have the ability to reason that their

694
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: eyes glow when humans shine light in their eyes. But

695
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: that's what it feels like. It feels like they're hiding

696
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: and they know their eyes shine. It's like shut their

697
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: eyes and just lay there. But you know, it's just

698
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: a For a coon, I would assume it's a it's

699
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 1: a fear response. Protective response. Might be the same thing

700
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: with a cat. Might be I don't know. Some of

701
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: those big bears, these guys tree uh, and most time

702
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 1: a big bear won't climb a tree, but uh, they'll

703
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: stay on the ground. But sometimes they'll say, a big bear,

704
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: I'll just I mean, he'll just be up there just

705
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: like doesn't have a care in the world, you know.

706
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 1: Just some of the little ones will be moving around

707
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: and you can tell they're kind of that's definitely nervous. Yeah,

708
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 1: that's definitely. You see this a lot of similarities that way.

709
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: When you catch a younger cat, it seems like they

710
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 1: can't pick a branch or pick a picky. They're wanting

711
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: to crawl around that tree or jump out of the tree.

712
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: And these are pretty short trees around here for the

713
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: most part. Yeah, yeah, they're it's nothing for a cat

714
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: to climb up six feet is all, seven feet is

715
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: all and just get out of the get out of

716
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: the reach of the dog. Yet, do you ever do

717
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: you eat much mountain line? Yes? I do. Every chance

718
00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 1: we get. If someone doesn't want their cat or just

719
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 1: wants a couple of pieces of it, we collect everything. Yeah, Cob,

720
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 1: we've you ever had mountain lion? I have not, bear John, Yeah,

721
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: we remember you killed yours week. Do you remember how

722
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: we cooked it? I remember we cooked in a lot

723
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 1: of different ways. Yeah, because we had a whole mountain lion, right, yeah,

724
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 1: yeah we did. Yeah, we cooked. I remember we cooked one.

725
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: We cooked one part of the line like a kind

726
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 1: of treated it like a pork loin a croc pot,

727
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: put like vegetables and little chicken broth in there and

728
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: just kind of let it cook all day. And that

729
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: was great. Um My, my wife's some of my wife's

730
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: co workers came to our house, like twenty five of them,

731
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,760
Speaker 1: and I fed him grilled mountain lion and bear steak

732
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: off just a charcoal grill. And uh they loved it.

733
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 1: Did they not bear? Yeah? They did. We did pulled

734
00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: pork sandwiches. Uh, some steaks. I guess it'd be pulled

735
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: pluma sandwiches are yeah. Yeah, but it's a yeah, there's there.

736
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: It's very versatile meat. It's it's it's great meat. It's

737
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: uh so lion meat. It's very very light colored, I

738
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: mean like a chicken pork ish, yes, and very fine grain,

739
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: very fine grain. It's if I feel like it's finer

740
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 1: grain than pork. But yeah, great stuff. What's the what's

741
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,960
Speaker 1: the biggest cat you caught up here? I would say

742
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: my cat was probably the biggest cat we got and

743
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: he was about hy pounds. Yeah, that was probably the

744
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 1: biggest cat that I think. We've caught the rest of them.

745
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: They're hard to wait in a tree, so yeah, we've

746
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,919
Speaker 1: caught some big ones in. And how did you get

747
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: into running helms? Because I seem to remember when we

748
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: were talking yesterday, you said that your your parents didn't

749
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: have home. No, I didn't grow up with hounds. My

750
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,240
Speaker 1: buddy down the road who we all hunt with and

751
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 1: I was camping more with earlier this week. Him and

752
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 1: his family ran red bones and I remember going over

753
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,319
Speaker 1: there every time they had puppies, and every time they

754
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: would go, I would beg to go with them, and

755
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 1: they dragged me along every now and again. And I

756
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: always said, man, as soon as I have my own place,

757
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 1: the first thing, I'm getting his hound dogs. And I

758
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 1: bought my house and not long after came hound dogs.

759
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:33,719
Speaker 1: Did you stick with some of the lines from around here? No? Actually,

760
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 1: on a whim, we I feel like I'm so lucky

761
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,400
Speaker 1: with that. The first dog I got. We. I started

762
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,359
Speaker 1: doing a bunch of research and kind of figured out

763
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:46,759
Speaker 1: some guys who had some good dogs and found out

764
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: there was a litter in Wheatland, Wyoming from a line

765
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 1: of dogs and it's kind of like that blue Tick lining,

766
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: but he's got that My blue Tick does have a

767
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 1: little walker in him, but he's from like that camera

768
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: bod and uh pretty heavy camera and blood. And I

769
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: heard from a few people that these guys dogs did great.

770
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 1: So I was like, well, we'll reach out. And I

771
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:13,439
Speaker 1: kind of wasn't that serious, but I was, well, you

772
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 1: you were playing the Yeah, you're playing the sloge. Yeah.

773
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: So I asked them and they said, yeah, we got

774
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: some and I was like, okay, well, I'm interested in

775
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: one and told him we'd get one, and I didn't

776
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,280
Speaker 1: plan I planned on having it shipped up here. Well,

777
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: the girlfriend couldn't wait a day. She drove all the

778
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: way from Wheitland, Wyoming. I think it's sixteen or eighteen

779
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: hours somewhere in there. One drove all the way down

780
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: there and had to pick up that puppy. She was

781
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: just as excited to have one at the house. So

782
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: she picked up that puppy and came straight home, made

783
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: a whole round trip and a day. Yeah, the camera

784
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: and line of blue ticks. Are they known as big

785
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: Game Dog Big Game Dogs? Yep? Yeah. Dale Cameron just

786
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: passed earlier that this year, So kind of interesting. See

787
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 1: what been with all that bloodline? A lot of people

788
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 1: run that camera bloodline. You know what I've been looking

789
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: and maybe somebody can help us out if they're listening

790
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 1: to this podcast. You know, we have a Legendary Barehound

791
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: column in Bear Hunting Magazine or print magazine where we

792
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 1: every issue we we basically do a story on the

793
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:24,880
Speaker 1: deceased bear dog. Legendary bear dog and uh, I've I

794
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: know a lot of guys have used the camera dogs

795
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 1: for bear in the West, and I've been wanting. I've

796
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 1: wanted to find somebody that that had a dog that

797
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 1: you know, we could hook up with, but we haven't

798
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: a guy who has a good blue tick dog out

799
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: of a lot of that camera. Have you heard of

800
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:46,760
Speaker 1: that Steve Phipps. No, he has some really good blue

801
00:46:46,760 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: tick dogs people are pretty high on. He's out of

802
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: that Utah area. Actually, that's who we're thinking about getting

803
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,319
Speaker 1: our next up. From what We've been talking to him

804
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 1: back and forth and a few guys run his dogs

805
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: up here. He has a dog that he was pretty

806
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 1: high on that passed away, and I think his name

807
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: was Frost or something Freeze, something like that, but he

808
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: ran camera. His bloodlines are heavy camera bloodlines, that old school,

809
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: big headed, big eared Yeah block here blue ticks, Um,

810
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: what size are your dogs? My red tick? And he

811
00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 1: came from New Mexico. I actually got him as a

812
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: nine month old pup. I was kind of talking to

813
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 1: a guy named Mike Leonard. Quite a few hounds and

814
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 1: know him in the big game world, and UH was

815
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 1: talking back and forth and he said, I got too

816
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 1: many pups. We just had a big old wreck tonight.

817
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,680
Speaker 1: Dogs pops running all over the place. He's like, I'll

818
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 1: give you a pup. And everyone in the hounds the

819
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,399
Speaker 1: world knows what i'll give you a pup means. It's

820
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: usually not a good one. But I took him on

821
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 1: and he's about forty pounds, and uh, my blue tick

822
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 1: he's about fifty pounds. He's they're bigger dogs. I would

823
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: say that was I was figured you'd say they were

824
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: bigger than that. You know, they're two years old, and

825
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna fill out bigger. I bet you

826
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,400
Speaker 1: that red tick fills out to be about fifty and

827
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: that blue tick feels out to be about pounds. I'd

828
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 1: like to They're both in phenomenal shape. Though. Them dogs,

829
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: they they stayed pretty we I'm lucky. I live in

830
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: a rural area and my dogs they hardly ever penned up.

831
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 1: I got I got twenty acres of my own and

832
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: then there's a property right behind us that it's just

833
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: open and they let us. They don't mind our dogs.

834
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: The other neighbors don't mind our dogs. So we kind

835
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: of just keep an eye on them, and as long

836
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: as we're out about doing stuff, there free to roam,

837
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: and then we we run them pretty regularly three or

838
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,360
Speaker 1: four days a week. And yeah, they stay in pretty

839
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 1: good shape. That's great, man, that's great. Well, I'm yeah,

840
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: look forward to see how your how your lion hunting

841
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 1: goes this this kind of country would be. It just

842
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: feels like it would be a fun place to lion hunt.

843
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: You know. I'm the only place I have I have

844
00:49:12,560 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: lion hunted is in Idaho northern in the Panhandle of Idaho,

845
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: which is great lion country. And uh it was it

846
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,760
Speaker 1: was with my friend Leon Brown Clark fork out fitting

847
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 1: up there and uh we had a great heart with him, um,

848
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 1: about three or four years ago. And uh, but boy,

849
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: that's tough country. I mean it's straight up, straight down

850
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: big mountains, um, which is cool. Um. And not that

851
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 1: this would be any easier, it just feels like more accessible.

852
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 1: It is more accessible. You know. Do you ever tree

853
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 1: a cat over on the other side of a canyon

854
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,240
Speaker 1: and glass it up to see it before you get there?

855
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 1: Very rarely, but if we we do every now and again.

856
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: But everything is so accessible here, and you find yourself

857
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: with the garments saying okay, we know where they're at,

858
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 1: so just making your loop around, you know. But yeah, yeah,

859
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: and then you guys running bobcats sometimes to your Yeah,

860
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: we get bobcats, and uh, you have to buy your

861
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,280
Speaker 1: trappers license in October to be able to take a bobcat.

862
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,320
Speaker 1: That's that's your that's your stipulation. So you have to

863
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: buy it for October one. So coming up here soon,

864
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: people need to be buying there. Yeah you get I

865
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: heard you talking to Bryce earlier about something you do

866
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:32,879
Speaker 1: with your You did with one of your pups, trying

867
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 1: to get it to tree better. Do you remember what

868
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: you Bryce was having the same problem I was with

869
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: that red dog. He came from dry ground bludlines, which

870
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: actually so did his red dog that he's having trouble with,

871
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: and a lot I started doing a bunch of research.

872
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: These old houndsmen were saying, Yeah, these old these older

873
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,320
Speaker 1: dry ground bloodlines are not great. They're not great tree dogs.

874
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: They're great running dogs, but not the greatest tree dog.

875
00:50:59,040 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: And tree dog would mean that when they smell game

876
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: that has gone up a tree, they stay at the

877
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: tree and bark. And good tree dog, that's what he's

878
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: gonna do, whether he's they don't bear coon lying, he's

879
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 1: going to stay at the tree and bark, and that's

880
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: got to be something that's somewhat natively in them. I mean,

881
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, in the bloodline, but what you were, but

882
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,760
Speaker 1: you can you can encourage it. Yeah, I was telling

883
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: Rice what I did was so I did a lot

884
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: of research, and the guys are doing it various different ways.

885
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 1: But the way I was finding guys said that they

886
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: had the most success was when you get him up

887
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 1: in a tree with the other dogs, let him get excited,

888
00:51:39,200 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: pet him up, bring the other dogs away, and if

889
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: he tries to leave that tree, just give him a

890
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: little bit of a vibrate or you know, tone no,

891
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,120
Speaker 1: just a little bit of stimulations saying hey, no, that's

892
00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: I don't want you to come back to this tree.

893
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 1: And then he gets back on the tree, give him

894
00:51:53,719 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: a pet him up again and let him know he's

895
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: doing good. And then then tie him up to the

896
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: tree or tie him up close to the tree, and

897
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 1: lead all the other dogs away and hopefully that dog

898
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: is staying treating. If he tries to leave again, give

899
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 1: him a vibrate and if he goes back to train

900
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: and say hey, come back up there and pet the

901
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: dog up and say good job dog. And uh I

902
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:16,480
Speaker 1: did that for two three trees in a row and

903
00:52:17,360 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: pretty soon that dog has been treating great ever since.

904
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,440
Speaker 1: You know, you're you're as a trainer, dog trainer, or

905
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,280
Speaker 1: any kind of animal trainer. You're just trying to find

906
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: a way to communicate to that animal what you wanted

907
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: to do. And a mule, a horse, a dog, all

908
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: he knows is um well with a with a horse

909
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 1: or mule, it's pressure and release. But with a dog

910
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 1: it's it's praise or no praise, no praise or getting scolded.

911
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: I guess there's three there's three things there. But yeah,

912
00:52:57,239 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: I don't think you could you could train a dog.

913
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 1: I've had a lot of people asked me, well, do

914
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: you think I could train my you know, my German

915
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: wire hair, you know, be a coon dog. And it's like, no,

916
00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 1: you couldn't. I mean you just you know, you might

917
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: be able to train a real smart dog to do something,

918
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 1: but there's a part of it that's bred into them.

919
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: But if we had the trainer, the handler you know,

920
00:53:24,600 --> 00:53:28,280
Speaker 1: works to try to enhance that and as much as possible.

921
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 1: And every dog is different, like I One thing I

922
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: didn't tell Bryce was this dog was very timid, Like

923
00:53:32,680 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 1: he's not a dog that I can scold. Even if

924
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 1: I scold, this dog shuts down, it's that he's gone.

925
00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: It doesn't do me any good to scold. Like no

926
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: shocking stimulation at all to this dog. This dog doesn't

927
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:47,879
Speaker 1: get any of that because he just doesn't respond to that.

928
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: It's all praise or no praise with him, so a

929
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: lot of it. Like that's why I stuck with just

930
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 1: the vibrate, just give him something saying hey, no, because

931
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,360
Speaker 1: a lot of times at home I told my dogs

932
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:02,319
Speaker 1: and if they don't listen, or they can't hear me,

933
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: or they if the tone didn't get their attention, I'll

934
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 1: hit the vibry button. Then they both know, hey, we

935
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 1: better go home now wherever they're at. Yeah, yeah, I

936
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 1: could tell, like the way that you talked about your

937
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 1: dogs yesterday, you really are patient with them, you know,

938
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,640
Speaker 1: and uh work with them and just you know, give

939
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:23,960
Speaker 1: them time to come into things, even the way that

940
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,319
Speaker 1: you invite them into the family and stuff. Yeah. I

941
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: was telling Clay that earlier today about just horses that

942
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: might I'm I find myself being more patient with animals

943
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: than I do with people. I just think that I

944
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 1: just think they're a lot easier to deal with you

945
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: know what you're getting, you know. And yeah, and my

946
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: dogs are a part of the family. I mean my

947
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: dogs there, they're their tools, but they are part of

948
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:54,520
Speaker 1: the family. Yeah, they definitely. I mean, there's no such

949
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think if I had if

950
00:54:57,480 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: I had fifteen dogs and only two of them hunted,

951
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 1: let's just say I'd still have fifteen dogs, because I

952
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: wouldn't be able to get rid of any of them. Chase,

953
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: do you have any inside into like what you think

954
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: needs to be developed or changed inside the broader hound

955
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: hunting community, so that are our image, are are the

956
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 1: way we communicate with the world. Who we are would

957
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 1: be better received and understood, so that this this sport

958
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 1: would continue as game management, you know. And actually kind

959
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,840
Speaker 1: of from being an outsider in a sense not growing

960
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 1: up with towns all my life, I always seen the

961
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: you hear hounsmen are like, forgive me about high school girls,

962
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 1: you know, picker him back and forth. Oh I got

963
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: the best dogs. Oh this guy, Oh if this guy

964
00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: he kills everything? Are this guy? This guy runs everything

965
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,879
Speaker 1: like this guy for somebody to say something good about exactly,

966
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: So when I came into it, I made a point

967
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:04,800
Speaker 1: that I wasn't going to be a part of any group.

968
00:56:05,200 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: That if this guy wanted to run with me or

969
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: didn't want to, I would make myself available to everybody

970
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: that if I can go with you, great, you know,

971
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: if I can help you out, great, If I find

972
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:20,320
Speaker 1: a track, let's run it together. Just because this sport

973
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:26,879
Speaker 1: already and just the hunting you talked about all the time,

974
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,359
Speaker 1: low hanging fruit, you know, and guarding the gate. It's

975
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: just that we need to do a better job of

976
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: lifting up each other and helping people get into the sport.

977
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: I mean, there's people that want in, but it's intimidating.

978
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 1: I mean, owning a dog's intimidating enough. But it's a

979
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: big commitment. It is a it's a huge commitment. But

980
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:50,239
Speaker 1: getting somebody involved and taking them along it goes a

981
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 1: long ways. I Mean, there's so many people that I

982
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: know that I've never even thought about hound hunting, including

983
00:56:56,400 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: my own family, that since I've taken him, they they've

984
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,439
Speaker 1: learned so much about the sport to where now when

985
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 1: they have a conversation with somebody, it's an educated conversation

986
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah, you get a chance to educate somebody

987
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: about the species you're chasing about the process. Like I

988
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:17,960
Speaker 1: have a drive track system and I have the handheld system,

989
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: and I always give my handheld to whoever we're with.

990
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: I don't care where I can. I'll figure out where

991
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: my dogs are. But I like them to want them

992
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: to be involved the tracking system so they could track

993
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 1: the dogs, understand what's going on in the race yep,

994
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: and kind of see the layout of the land and

995
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: see how things work and maybe what they're doing and

996
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: looking down and saying, why are these dogs doing all

997
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: these circles up here? Oh? While they probably lost it

998
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: and they're working it out or something, you know, kind

999
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: of just getting involved in I just think we could

1000
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 1: do a better job of bringing people in and lifting

1001
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 1: each other up. Yeah. Man, that uh, that's very very

1002
00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: well said. And uh, I think it takes people saying

1003
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff and then living it, not just

1004
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: saying it but living it. That that changes the culture.

1005
00:58:10,160 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 1: And and and I don't know what it would be.

1006
00:58:14,840 --> 00:58:18,720
Speaker 1: It's probably in many things in life, but for some reason,

1007
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 1: the hound community does have that reputation. I don't I

1008
00:58:22,800 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: don't really know why. But if guy's being kind of competitive,

1009
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: and you know, if one guy has good dogs, he's

1010
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,040
Speaker 1: he has a hard time complimenting somebody else's dogs. And

1011
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:36,080
Speaker 1: you know, that's just an old world mentality. You know

1012
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: that we've got to just brand and just the next

1013
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: the new generation of hunters that's coming up. You know,

1014
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: it's just like we're for each other. If there's a

1015
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,919
Speaker 1: successful houndsmen down the road from you, that's a win

1016
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: for you. It's not a loss for you, even if

1017
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,280
Speaker 1: he's hunting the same ground as you, and you know it.

1018
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 1: I think the whole uh lifting up and communicating. You're

1019
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 1: getting a chance to communicate with that guy down the

1020
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 1: road and maybe if you don't like something that he's doing,

1021
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: instead of talking about it to somebody else, maybe go

1022
00:59:06,600 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: hunting with him and do things a little bit, show

1023
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: them something a little different. Yeah, I think we've got

1024
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: to clean ourselves up. I mean, because what's happening in

1025
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: the world today as we live in we live in

1026
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: a world of information. We live in a world with

1027
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: no secrets. Like used to houndsman and hunting in general

1028
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:29,919
Speaker 1: could kind of hide back in the shadows, nobody really

1029
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: knew what was going on except for us, and uh,

1030
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 1: we can't do that anymore. I mean the world knows

1031
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 1: like everything now is exposed and uh and and that's

1032
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: not necessarily a bad thing. That's just the nature of

1033
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 1: the world we live in. So all of a sudden

1034
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: we have to become really good at telling our story.

1035
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: And telling our story goes right down to the to

1036
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: the fabric of individual relationships that people have, like you know,

1037
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:01,520
Speaker 1: you saying, you know you've introduce is your family too

1038
01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:04,120
Speaker 1: in a positive way to hound hunting, And so when

1039
01:00:04,120 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: they're in a conversation at the baseball game or the

1040
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:10,440
Speaker 1: wrestling match, if you're way up here, um and someone

1041
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,560
Speaker 1: says something about hounds, they go, yeah, man, Chase runs hounds,

1042
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: and it's great and we you know it just it

1043
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:22,280
Speaker 1: cast this positive light as opposed to someone that doesn't understand,

1044
01:00:22,440 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: and you know, you would just have to tell our story.

1045
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: You wouldn't believe how many times that that actually did happen,

1046
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: Like at high school basketball games with my little sister

1047
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:34,480
Speaker 1: when she was in high school, that the coach would say, hell,

1048
01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 1: I see your dad showed me a picture of a cat.

1049
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 1: He's like, that's just crazy. I didn't know that they

1050
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: were around. And you get to talk to him about

1051
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: it and stuff and then someone else like, you know,

1052
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: I didn't know that there were so many lions and

1053
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: stuff like that. That's pretty cool. That are they scary

1054
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: or you know, you just get a chance to explain

1055
01:00:53,080 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 1: what's around and what they are why. I mean, yeah,

1056
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: they're among us. Yeah. She spent a lot of times

1057
01:01:00,120 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: educating people. Yeah. I try to the best of my

1058
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: ability whenever I get a chance to. I mean, I

1059
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: work at the railroad and there's guys that get locked

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01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: in a train with me for twelve hours and they

1061
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: get to here at one where what's your what's your

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01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: favorite what's your favorite thing to hunt? You know, lions

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01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:23,920
Speaker 1: And for the simple fact I wasn't trying to bait

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01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,919
Speaker 1: you into that. I thought you might say bo hunting

1065
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 1: now in September. You know, I do love that, but

1066
01:01:29,640 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 1: nothing beats anything with hounds and anything with dogs in general.

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01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 1: I just love dogs. So anything where you can and

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01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 1: I mean anything that you can bring a kid to

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01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:41,280
Speaker 1: and he doesn't have to be quiet. He could be

1070
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 1: drinking hot chocolate and eating candy all day and riding

1071
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 1: around in a snow bill or going for a walk.

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01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:53,320
Speaker 1: A lot of movement. You're getting to pet you would

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01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:58,479
Speaker 1: never want to do that. Would I would? Oh you would? Okay, okay, yeah,

1074
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: get a pet up the dogs. You know, it's a

1075
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: it's a very involved sport where you can really impact somebody.

1076
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 1: I mean it makes an impression. Yeah, well, there's there's

1077
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: a lot of skill that and it's so counterintuitive, like

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01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: to the person that knows nothing that has no context

1079
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: for hounds and and being a houndsman and running big

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01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 1: game and specifically lions. People have this idea and I'm

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01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: not talking about it the hunting community. I think we're

1082
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 1: turning the tide on this wrong philosophy. People are like,

1083
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 1: oh wow, it's so it's so easy to to tree

1084
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:41,800
Speaker 1: game with hounds. That's taken away the hunt. It's not

1085
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 1: fair chase all these ridiculous old world ideas, but when

1086
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:54,040
Speaker 1: in fact it's actually totally opposite. How you know, I've

1087
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:56,840
Speaker 1: said it so many times in so many places. A

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01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: lot of the houndsmen that I know are some of

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01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: the best outdoor warsman in hunting. I would agree. I mean,

1090
01:03:03,600 --> 01:03:08,160
Speaker 1: because the dedication that you have to understanding the game

1091
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: that you're after, because it's not just the dogs that

1092
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:12,520
Speaker 1: are doing the work. I had a real good hounds.

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01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 1: And tell me one time when I was training a

1094
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: young coon dog that wasn't getting out and hunting quite

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01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 1: as good as I wanted to. I just wanted to

1096
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 1: be able to turn that dog loose in the middle

1097
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,959
Speaker 1: of town and it just go and find the coon out,

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01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 1: you know, along And he he said, Clay, part of

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01:03:30,360 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: being a houseman is putting your dog close to where

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01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: the game is, you know. And he was like, you

1101
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: need to become a better coon hunter and you'll make

1102
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,240
Speaker 1: that dog good coon dog. And uh, you know, I

1103
01:03:41,280 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 1: took his point, and uh, but but the point is

1104
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: is that there's a lot more than goes into it

1105
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 1: than just turning some dog loose. And it goes in trees, lying,

1106
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: the dedication of that dog, understanding lions, understanding where they are,

1107
01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:03,560
Speaker 1: understanding scent, understanding the of the land, uh, understanding the

1108
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: prey movements. I mean, like, you're not gonna look for

1109
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:09,800
Speaker 1: line tracks and places that are void of big game

1110
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:11,640
Speaker 1: because you know, they gotta you know, there's just there's

1111
01:04:11,640 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 1: a lot to it, you know. Yeah, And I mean

1112
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: there's a lot of parallels that. I mean, the dogs

1113
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: they have to be smart. They're not just running out

1114
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:27,840
Speaker 1: there and chasing everything. They got to sort through rabbits, foxes, coyotes, deer, elk,

1115
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: moose to find that lion and good conditions and bad

1116
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:36,440
Speaker 1: conditions and then you could. It takes a lot for

1117
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:38,720
Speaker 1: a dog. And them dogs are athletes. These dogs put

1118
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: in a lot of work exercising there. They got to

1119
01:04:42,520 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: be incredible athletes. Yeah, and same for coons. I mean

1120
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: them dogs, they're locating ability then just being able to

1121
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: go find a coon that swam across the creek or

1122
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 1: across the river. And yeah, yep, Well there's a there's

1123
01:04:59,880 --> 01:05:02,919
Speaker 1: a lot more to it than just turning loose a dog.

1124
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:05,400
Speaker 1: A lot of skill, a lot of a lot of

1125
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: dedication involved in it, and um and that's what I

1126
01:05:08,680 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 1: have seen, seen it with my own eyes with a

1127
01:05:11,440 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: lot of guys. So it's pretty incredible. But man, we're

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01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: gonna try to kill an elk in the morning. We've

1129
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: got one morning left and then we're heading out. We

1130
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 1: got one morning left, but I think we got ourselves

1131
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:26,160
Speaker 1: set up good for a good morning. Yeah. We so

1132
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:30,200
Speaker 1: this afternoon we saw we saw a very large bull

1133
01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,960
Speaker 1: probably a mile away in a place that we can't hunt.

1134
01:05:34,080 --> 01:05:37,200
Speaker 1: But we feel like it's possible that he's gonna come

1135
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:42,439
Speaker 1: into where we can hunt, and uh, because he did

1136
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 1: it yesterday. Yep, we saw this bull on our side

1137
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:50,240
Speaker 1: this morning. He quickly crossed over into the place we

1138
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: can't hunt. Um, but we also saw a nice, nice

1139
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:59,120
Speaker 1: bull on our mountain right at dark. We didn't spook him.

1140
01:05:59,440 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: We feel agree he'll be in there somewhere. He's gotta

1141
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: be gott to be in there somewhere. I would think

1142
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: he looked pretty comfortable, like he was moving anywhere too crazy. Yeah,

1143
01:06:09,400 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: so man, we just need we just need a little

1144
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: bit of luck and maybe on the last morning, who

1145
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: knows no better way to do it though, last morning,

1146
01:06:20,840 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 1: last morning. Then we got a long drive home, Kobe. Yeah,

1147
01:06:24,800 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 1: you're gonna have fun driving lostly right, I'm kiding man,

1148
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 1: getting home and getting ready for bear season, yeah starting

1149
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:36,360
Speaker 1: up this weekend, right, Yeah, we're gonna get home and

1150
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: turn around and go bear hunting, bear season, deer season,

1151
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:44,439
Speaker 1: so swinging up. Yeah, exciting time of year for sure.

1152
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 1: This time next year, maybe bear sharing some of the driving. Yeah,

1153
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 1: well he's not that old. Yeah, Well, like we need

1154
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: to we need to get you tuned up on pulling

1155
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: the trailer hopefully we can get the trailer out of here.

1156
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:05,520
Speaker 1: I think we can. I think so we got it

1157
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 1: in here. It's very rough road getting our little trailer

1158
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:10,479
Speaker 1: in here. There was no turning back. It was either

1159
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:13,920
Speaker 1: forward or let's just say I was surprised when I

1160
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 1: seen the trailer. That trailer has been some places. Man,

1161
01:07:18,840 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 1: it's brought brought a lot of joy in amazement everyone

1162
01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 1: that's driven by I think. So these guys did what

1163
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 1: I think they think they pick up somewhere off in

1164
01:07:28,120 --> 01:07:34,800
Speaker 1: edge somewhere. Yeah. Well, all right, Well, thanks Chase. It's

1165
01:07:34,840 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: been a pleasure hanging out with you, and appreciate the

1166
01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: help and good luck with your lion hunting this year,

1167
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:46,760
Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll have good luck l cutting in the morning. Yep,

1168
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: thanks for having me on right on bear Any closing thoughts, Nope,

1169
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,200
Speaker 1: you know I can tell you don't want to line hunt.

1170
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 1: Colby closing thoughts. I can tell you don't want to

1171
01:07:56,920 --> 01:08:05,160
Speaker 1: line hunt either. Pull those where's back into you. Yeah,

1172
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: I always ready to go, man, he's ready to go.

1173
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:11,480
Speaker 1: I'm so I'm so jibbed about lion hunting. I might

1174
01:08:11,480 --> 01:08:13,680
Speaker 1: try to climb the tree and do something I don't

1175
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: know just climb the tree to get you know, close

1176
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 1: to the action view of what would be like to

1177
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 1: be treat Yeah. Yeah, it'd be like an old Jerry

1178
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:27,000
Speaker 1: Clower joke, except for a mountain line to stebble links.

1179
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: There you go, all right, guys, keep the wild blazes

1180
01:08:31,040 --> 01:08:39,480
Speaker 1: wild because that's where the birds live, where the cats lives.

1181
01:08:39,520 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: That you she s