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Speaker 1: psychological nudity. This is stox and this is Stupidity. Here

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Speaker 2: Podcast in the world. Actually, you under Fried, resubscribe you.

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Speaker 2: By doing that, you have betas the biggest podcast in

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Speaker 2: the world. We are presented by Traftkings. We have a

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Speaker 2: very special episode today. We have Christopher Clary. Now we're

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Speaker 2: in the midst of the US Open right now, and

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Speaker 2: Novak Djokovic is going for a Grand Slam. Now he's

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Speaker 2: likely going to get it and achieve the Grand Slam,

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Speaker 2: something we haven't seen in nowre lifetime a calendar Grand

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Speaker 2: Slam by a men's tennis player. But he is doing

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Speaker 2: so in large part because there is no Nadal and

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Speaker 2: there is no Roger Federer. Those guys are not there

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Speaker 2: to challenge Novak Djokovic in the US Open. And I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying Novak wouldn't get it done anyway. He probably

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Speaker 2: would have. He's playing at a different level even than

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Speaker 2: those guys right now. But I am not certain we've

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Speaker 2: ever seen a guy play the level of Roger Federer

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Speaker 2: and be able to do it with the style and

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Speaker 2: So Christopher Clary wrote a bilk called The Master the

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Speaker 2: Brilliant Career of Roger Federer, and he's going to join

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Speaker 2: us in just a second. But Mikey, yeah, you of

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Speaker 2: course know what that means. I mean I buried the

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Speaker 2: lead there, because yes, Clary is joining us, and he

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Speaker 2: is a great writer and author, and this book's gonna

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Speaker 2: be a big hit because people are intrigued by Roger Federer,

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Speaker 2: and he got inside of Roger Federer's life, inside of

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Speaker 2: his inner circle and has some great stories for us.

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Speaker 2: But when I say we're burying the lead. I had

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Speaker 2: to recruit ad Nan Verk hashtag t Feederer along with

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Speaker 2: Andrew Brandts.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: I had to recruit ad Nan for this for this

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Speaker 2: interview because ad Nan, no one knows more about Federer,

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Speaker 2: no one loves Federer more. And in fact, I'm surprised

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Speaker 2: Adnan didn't write this fucking book and Clari did. Out

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Speaker 2: of that's I mean, seriously.

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Speaker 4: Do you think Adnan knows what like Federer's garbage tastes like?

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Speaker 4: Do you think he like drives by and just like

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Speaker 4: he's like, ooh, he used the heft two PLI today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he knows what he smells like. I

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Speaker 2: think he knows what Coloney uses I did? Where's federer clothes?

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Speaker 2: While he's watching Federer matches inside of his ass? I mean, listen,

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Speaker 2: and I know what you're afraid. I'm afraid of the

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Speaker 2: same thing. We're gonna talk to Clary and he's gonna

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Speaker 2: have blowing things to say about Federer, and ad NaN's

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Speaker 5: The whole time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he is part of the lamest social media feed

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Speaker 2: going right now, hashtag team Federer. I believe it's just him.

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Speaker 2: Brandt a friend of his, Jim Kleinfeld or something like that.

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Speaker 2: And Leslie Visser, who's the president.

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Speaker 5: Of Hashtag Team.

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Speaker 4: You don't think Brandt Mike probably tries to like use

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Speaker 2: I would say, in terms of who looks most presidential

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Speaker 2: amongst Hashtag Team Fed, it would be Brand's. Okay, I

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Speaker 2: think Adnan would probably Leslie Visser would be a close second.

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Speaker 2: Leslie Visser is a badass. I've gotten to knowwhere she's

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Speaker 2: awesome and fat. We should get her on this podcast

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Speaker 2: only to make fun of her because she's part of

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Speaker 2: I think if we had adnin on and you asked

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Speaker 2: we had Visceern, we tell you he's the president. The

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Speaker 4: All right, let me ask you this, your family aside,

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, by the way, it's Kleinberg too. Is there

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Speaker 2: anything that I love more in my life than Adnin

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Speaker 2: and those people love Roger Federer. You're saying outside of family,

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Speaker 5: Stuff outside of family?

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Speaker 3: Uh hmm?

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Speaker 5: Is it the dead?

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Speaker 2: It's it's either the dead or were weed. Those go

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Speaker 2: hand in hand dead weed. So let's get to uh,

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Speaker 2: let's get to Christopher Claire, who wrote the book about

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Speaker 2: Roger Federer and ad Nan Burke. If you don't hear, listen,

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Speaker 2: whenever Adan's not talking, he's touching himself.

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Speaker 3: Let's get to Christopher.

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna hear ad Nan prita heavy.

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Speaker 2: The book is the Master, the brilliant career of Roger Federer,

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Speaker 2: and now Christopher. I brought Adnan on because he is

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Speaker 2: part of Uh. Well, go ahead and explain what it

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Speaker 2: is you do on social media, because I want to

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Speaker 2: see if Christopher finds this to be a little bit strange.

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Speaker 6: So normally, Chris, when Stu asked me to come on Stuparty,

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Speaker 2: And I'm happy to help.

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Speaker 6: But I'm like okay, there's a bit at dilly dalling scheduling.

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Speaker 6: This time, he said, Hey, I've got Christopher Clary coming on.

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Speaker 6: He's going a book about Federer. And I said, I'll

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Speaker 6: stop everything to come on and talk about Roger. I

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Speaker 6: live and die with him. I'm tweeting massively. I'm in

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Speaker 6: pain when he loses. And I've started the book. It's fabulous.

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Speaker 6: I encourage everyone to read it. I actually listened to

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Speaker 6: is everywhere Federer to me. As you know, Chris, you

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Speaker 6: Year's Ago Federer as religious experience, the devotee of Federer.

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Speaker 2: Wherever he goes, he's the favorite. It doesn't matter in

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Speaker 6: His universal appeal and popularity transcends all. And that's why

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Speaker 6: So I'm throwed you wrote this book. Let's start there

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Speaker 6: that every man appeal to Federer, which I've read the book.

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Speaker 3: We'll see. But he's had some big losses.

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Speaker 6: The lost in the dollt oh wait, the loss to

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Speaker 2: Let's start there. Federer, for all his greatness, has had

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one of the things about this book I

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Speaker 3: And I travel around the world following him. I speak

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Speaker 3: that's for sure part of it. And it's just anybody

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Speaker 3: The guys is so fluid, it's like liquid.

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Speaker 5: And man, I want to see both your hands through

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Speaker 5: this whole interview, please.

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Speaker 3: I want to see both in a great call.

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Speaker 2: Mike, Yeah, isn't he wear so listen Christopher, So you

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Speaker 2: know this man wears Federer gear while he's playing matches,

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Speaker 2: and he wears it in his house. It's weird.

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Speaker 3: At the keep some journalistic dignity and removed here. So

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Speaker 3: I don't do that. I have written a lot of

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Speaker 3: and these brutal defeats he's had the close losses. As

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Speaker 2: He does make everything look so easy. He's one of

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Speaker 3: Was it as hard as Novak Djokovic. No, I mean

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Speaker 3: Roger never had to experience that kind of hardship, that

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Speaker 3: The guy had real issues with his emotions, managing them

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Speaker 3: It's an excerpt from the book about that. But he

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Speaker 6: He's the only guy who's ever asked me about me.

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Speaker 6: He remembers your kid's names, he remembers your interests. That

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Speaker 3: Good luck to whatever it was. Exactly. Your remember is

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Speaker 6: Our friend Ryan Rosillo is currently there. He just texted me, Hey,

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Speaker 3: The best thing about that is I was at that

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Speaker 3: It's just, you know, pretty egalitarian. We're not going to

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Speaker 3: That was from Mark Rose, who was the great Swiss

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Speaker 2: We're talking with Christopher Clary, the master the brilliant career

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Speaker 3: You know, yeah, there's stuff that's out there about just

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Speaker 6: take it all those French opens, Chris, and who cares

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Speaker 2: Okay, Rof is not nearly as great as Roger.

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Speaker 3: We look, I think if I had before I started

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Speaker 3: How many times does that happen? How many millions of

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Speaker 3: processing speed, this ability to see the whole court like

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Speaker 3: a Lionel Messi or a Jordan people like that that

433
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Speaker 3: are able to kind of process the whole playing field

434
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Speaker 3: at a pace that other people just cannot do it.

435
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Speaker 3: And it could be a question of eyes, ears, overall perception,

436
00:19:03,359 --> 00:19:06,159
Speaker 3: brain speed, processing speed, whatever it is, that has been

437
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Speaker 3: a key for him and it allows him to be

438
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Speaker 3: both beautiful on the court and incredibly effective because he

439
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Speaker 3: can have a chance to adapt and adjust as the

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Speaker 3: game goes on. So I'm not quite sure how to

441
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Speaker 3: define that with the biology of it, but there's clearly

442
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Speaker 3: something going on there, and I think that maybe has

443
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Speaker 3: separated him in a lot of ways.

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Speaker 2: I think, adding I would guess it's the anticipation, like

445
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Speaker 2: he just knows where the ball is going and he

446
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Speaker 2: gets to it quicker than anyone, which gives it more time. Christopher,

447
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Speaker 2: I'm wondering does he have a Is there a loss

448
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Speaker 2: that keeps him up at night still until this day?

449
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Speaker 2: Is there a loss that he's had.

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Speaker 3: You know, Paul Anacone, his coach, talked about his ability

451
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Speaker 3: to kind of change the chip fast. He lost Soga

452
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Speaker 3: Joe wilfridsanga French player at Wimbledon, and he was up

453
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Speaker 3: two sets and loss for the first time in his career.

454
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Speaker 3: And their house in Wimbledon's right near the courts, and

455
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Speaker 3: he basically got in the courtesy car and Anacone's going,

456
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Speaker 3: how am I going to talk to this guy about

457
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Speaker 3: this loss? This is so brutal. How am I going

458
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Speaker 3: to help him? So he goes to the front door

459
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Speaker 3: of the rented house and it's two twin daughters are there,

460
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Speaker 3: and I am about thirty seconds he's on the ground

461
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Speaker 3: wrestling with them and playing and laughing. So he has

462
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Speaker 3: this ability, I think, to compartmentalize and change the chip.

463
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Speaker 3: And yet you cannot tell me that that loss to

464
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Speaker 3: Djokovic in twenty nineteen at Wimbledon not keep him up

465
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Speaker 3: or at least keep him a little troubled in his sleep,

466
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Speaker 3: no matter how nice that camper van was at Merca Arranche.

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Speaker 2: But your point, Murray, Joe Frantasis.

468
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Speaker 3: It would have been the biggest victory of his career,

469
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Speaker 3: no doubt the biggest achievement of his career, which is

470
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Speaker 3: something to say at that stage. And he was right

471
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Speaker 3: there that first serve hits the tape on match point, No,

472
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Speaker 3: that was leaning the other way, it goes across, and

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Speaker 3: said it clips the tape. Done.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have to go back to positive. Though again

475
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Speaker 2: those that crying, I mean, I didn't leave my house

476
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Speaker 2: for a week, Chris, I can't get into the I.

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Speaker 6: Think of the great wins we always talked with the

478
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Speaker 6: greatest match ever played, the loss of Rafa.

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Speaker 2: I thought nine Wimbledon against Roddick was arguably just as

480
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Speaker 2: good a match.

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Speaker 6: Incredible theater and Andy is a guy who I've always

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Speaker 6: found likable and.

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Speaker 2: Listen, he's American, he's a guy who's brashed.

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Speaker 6: I thought that was an incredible match and Roger was

485
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Speaker 6: able to outlast Andy after losing to rock Theater before.

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Speaker 6: But my favorite one twenty seventeen Aussie opened when he

487
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Speaker 6: beat rathhil Nadal, his biggest rival down Under. I woke

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Speaker 6: up that night three point thirty eight am without an

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Speaker 6: alarm clock.

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Speaker 3: My body was ready to go.

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Speaker 6: I knew this was the match, and he played four

492
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Speaker 6: and a half hours of incredible tennis late in his

493
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Speaker 6: career and he beat.

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Speaker 2: His biggest rival down under. I thought that was an incredible.

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Speaker 5: Match, Chris.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think, as you said before we talked

497
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Speaker 3: about because of all the previous disappointments against the doll

498
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Speaker 3: all those things that he went through, that match had

499
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Speaker 3: such residents and also because really for him it was

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Speaker 3: a bit of gravy. He had had this knee injury

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Speaker 3: and first surgery, came back, it didn't really work out

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Speaker 3: well as he took six more months off and he

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Speaker 3: came back. He made some adjustments in his game in

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Speaker 3: terms of his tactics. I don't think he changed his

505
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Speaker 3: grip on his back and everything, but he was just

506
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Speaker 3: playing so freely and you could sense, and he talked

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Speaker 3: about this with me, the pressure was off for the

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Speaker 3: first time in ages. He didn't feel like he had

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Speaker 3: to satisfy anybody. It was all kind of expectations were off.

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Speaker 3: So he just played like that and it was a

511
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Speaker 3: great match. And he was down three to one in

512
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Speaker 3: the fifth set against the All Normally that would have

513
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Speaker 3: been his death, mel but no, he came back and

514
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Speaker 3: played some of the most outstanding tennis he's ever played

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Speaker 3: in his career, and I would agree that's on the

516
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Speaker 3: short list. But you know, that match in a way,

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Speaker 3: even though he lost it against the Doll, I personally

518
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Speaker 3: think the macenroe Borg final at Wimbledon observes for me

519
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Speaker 3: the greatest matchup I've ever seen of all time in

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Speaker 3: terms of all that. But Rogers and Roth of that

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Speaker 3: match in O eight was because of the style of play,

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Speaker 3: the length of the rallies, the light, the moment, the

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Speaker 3: build up with their rivalry. I think that that had

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Speaker 3: it all the.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was unbelievable, just a crazy three roofs.

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Speaker 3: You'll never have that again. You want to have those

527
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Speaker 3: flash in bulbs like that, you know, with the and

528
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Speaker 3: he was right, you could barely see in there when

529
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Speaker 3: you're in the stadium. But it all had that very cinematic,

530
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Speaker 3: dramatic feel to it, and I think it was everything

531
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Speaker 3: was just peaking at the right moment, and unfortunately for

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Speaker 3: Roger he lost.

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Speaker 2: You gotta throw Connor's crick state into there, you know,

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Speaker 2: into that conversation. Now, it was one of the great

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Speaker 2: matches of all time.

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Speaker 3: We've all seen that because of all those range layers

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Speaker 3: of the US Open ninety one US Open, there's Jacob.

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Speaker 3: It was amazing.

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Speaker 2: Christopher, how important was the one French Open title to Roger?

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Speaker 2: How important was that.

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Speaker 3: For him in legacy wise? That was huge? No, absolutely huge,

542
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Speaker 3: because you know the guys he modeled himself on, you

543
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Speaker 3: guys talking about before the bors Becker's, Pete Sampras's and

544
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Speaker 3: Stephan Edberg's were his big idols, a his kids, none

545
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Speaker 3: of than ever won the French Roger was an attacking player,

546
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Speaker 3: more so in his youth than he was in his

547
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Speaker 3: middle aged and tennis he still could attack, but he

548
00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 3: was more of a baseline guy. And he was the

549
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Speaker 3: second best play court player for a very long time

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Speaker 3: behind the Doll. And but to have never have won that, yeah,

551
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Speaker 3: you couldn't put him in the conversation as one of

552
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Speaker 3: the greatest of all time if he hadn't in that title.

553
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Speaker 3: I wish he had a chance to beat Rafael along

554
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Speaker 3: the way as a tennis historian guy, to kind of

555
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Speaker 3: have that moment. Didn't get it because the doll lost

556
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Speaker 3: early to the Silderling and a big surprise in the

557
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Speaker 3: fourth round that year. But you know he he did it,

558
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Speaker 3: so that matters.

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Speaker 5: It's amazing.

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Speaker 6: In the book you point out how detail he is,

561
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Speaker 6: how prepared he is. He plans out his life nine

562
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Speaker 6: months to a year and a half advanced.

563
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Speaker 2: Now it's not to the level of, hey, ad M.

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Speaker 6: I'm doing this in Peru, but he literally knows his

565
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Speaker 6: schedule well in advanced. With that being said, with this

566
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Speaker 6: knee surgery, he said, I'm going to be out many,

567
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Speaker 6: many months. Everybody's wondering when will Roger come back? It

568
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 6: would be obviously very difficult. You could imagine this life

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Speaker 6: three knee surgers at this point to win another major.

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Speaker 2: But do you think he does return?

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Speaker 6: Chris, knowing how detailed he is about his future even

572
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Speaker 6: with the uncertainty of this injury.

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Speaker 3: The fact that he referred to glimmer of hope in

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Speaker 3: his Instagram message the other day when he announces his

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Speaker 3: fourth knee surgery and then he's out for the rest

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Speaker 3: of the season, that was interesting because that's that's almost

577
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Speaker 3: like a that's really negative from him to use that

578
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Speaker 3: kind of terminology. So I think he knows it's not

579
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Speaker 3: at all I done deal that he'll be able to

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Speaker 3: come back. He wants to use it as motivation for

581
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Speaker 3: himself on his freehead, but he's a guy who is optimist,

582
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Speaker 3: amazing optimist. He's a guy who does not like to

583
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Speaker 3: be told what he should do because he knows inside

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Speaker 3: what his time is. And he's been telling people he's

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Speaker 3: not going to retire or he's not close to us

586
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Speaker 3: since two thousand and nine. Retirement question started after the

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Speaker 3: French Open that he won. He had him also, you know,

588
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Speaker 3: late twenties at that time, I get see and those

589
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Speaker 3: guys are all not Adgacy, sorry, Pete and Boris and

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Speaker 3: stuff on. All we're retiring and that's from that range.

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Speaker 3: That's why wouldn't Roger retire. So I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: in the back of his mind he's always felt like,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna follow my own timetable. It wouldn't surprise me

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Speaker 3: if he does try to come back for say the

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Speaker 3: grass court season next year after all his rehab and

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Speaker 3: use it as a goal for himself. But I just

597
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Speaker 3: cannot see him being able at this stage at forty

598
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Speaker 3: years old, with all these young guys improving and Novaks

599
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Speaker 3: still hungry, and Rafi coming back in the mix on

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Speaker 3: clay next year, I just still not see him being

601
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Speaker 3: able to win another major title.

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Speaker 2: Check out the book The Master, The brilliant career of

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Speaker 2: Roger Federer. Christopher Clary is the author. He is with us.

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Speaker 2: We'll let you go on this note. Does Roger Federer

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Speaker 2: consider Roger Federer to be the greatest tennis player of

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Speaker 2: all time?

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Speaker 3: You know, I actually asked him that once, and I

608
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Speaker 3: think he headed his bets like I think all of

609
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Speaker 3: us would at this point. But I think he could

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Speaker 3: sort of feel in his mind that he was, at

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Speaker 3: one stage of his career the greatest kind of player

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Speaker 3: of all time. I think he felt that way when

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Speaker 3: he was when he made that comeback he guys talked

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Speaker 3: about before in twenty seventeen and he won those three

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Speaker 3: Grand Slams in a row, got back to number one

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Speaker 3: at age thirty six. I think he could make that

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Speaker 3: argument in his It's very hard a men's tennis. A

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Speaker 3: lot of the greats for the past turned pro, couldn't

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Speaker 3: play in the Slams for a long time. A lot

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Speaker 3: of guys didn't get to play in the Australian Open

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Speaker 3: for a long time. You r and Board played just

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Speaker 3: one Australian Open. Hard to compare those eras, But I

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Speaker 3: think he had that feeling, and I think that's what

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Speaker 3: he's been searching more than the legacy. It's been that

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Speaker 3: feeling in the moment. So that's what I would say.

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Speaker 6: Well, close with this thought because I've heard golf Fishonado

627
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Speaker 6: say this about Nicholas versus Palmer.

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Speaker 2: They say, Okay, Nicholas might have the most majors, he's

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Speaker 2: the one they respect, but Arnold Palmer's the one that

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Speaker 2: they love.

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Speaker 6: Novak Djokovic, Chris might end up with twenty four majors,

632
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Speaker 6: but Federer is the one that tennis fans will always love.

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Speaker 3: The word greatest has room for analysis and subjectivity, right,

634
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Speaker 3: so what is the greatest. It's the greatest between the lines.

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Speaker 3: I don't think you can say Roger's the greatest between

636
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Speaker 3: the lines of all time. I don't think that's possible

637
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Speaker 3: at this point. Greatest overall what he did for the game,

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Speaker 3: impact on fans, impact on people just enjoying the sport

639
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Speaker 3: as they watched it. I think he's got a strong argument.

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Speaker 2: Christopher, good luck with the book. We appreciate your time, man.

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Speaker 2: Fascinating stuff and I'm glad Adnan it could be a

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Speaker 2: part of it. So thank you for doing this.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Christy, real pleasure you guys. Thanks so much.

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Speaker 2: All right, add in your hands with below the table

645
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Speaker 2: the entire time. I want to seequel, Chris, come on you,

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Speaker 2: let's get I'm tired.

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Speaker 3: I'm tired.

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Speaker 5: That's a long book to write.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Chris.

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Speaker 3: Great read. Thanks Chris's appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 2: That was a great look into the career and life

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Speaker 2: of Roger Federer. Mike, how many times during that interview

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Speaker 2: did you have to text a Dan to stop touching himself,

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Speaker 2: like get his hands above the desk? How many times

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Speaker 2: you set it? A couple of times during the interview,

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Speaker 2: But how many times did you have to tell him privately?

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Speaker 2: Go back to your text and look, I want to

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Speaker 2: set the over under. I'm gonna I'm gonna set it.

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Speaker 2: Hold up, hold up, I'm gonna set the over under

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Speaker 2: at five. And if I had to bet an amount

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Speaker 2: of money that you know that mattered to me, I

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Speaker 2: would take the over. So how many times, forget about

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Speaker 2: the two times you told him during the interview, I

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Speaker 2: want to know how many times you texted him like,

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Speaker 2: ad Nan, get your hands above the desk.

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Speaker 4: Okay, okay, not including the time that I actually told him.

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Speaker 5: It's at seven. So ah, it was way over.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we should put that in the Draftking sports Book.

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Speaker 5: It was nice of him to text me back with

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Speaker 5: one hand.

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Speaker 2: That wasn't his hand, it was his penisupon