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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, It's Thursday, April seventeenth, twenty twenty five. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, where we really lettle

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Speaker 1: concrete the rundown. It's me your man named g Marcus Grant,

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Speaker 1: joined by Michael Florio and the aforementioned the Kwan Jones. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I should really start locking the rundown.

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Speaker 2: At least the intro.

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Speaker 1: Except yesterday I actually did need you guys's help, So

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys jumping in and helping out with this.

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Speaker 1: It was all ill cute, all right, man, you didn't.

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Speaker 2: Even finished the full intro.

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Speaker 1: You got a couple letters there. Gg M you what

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Speaker 1: that means? It means glory, glory main you baby, Let's go.

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Speaker 1: Uh yeah, no, we're not doing that anyway. The reason

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Speaker 1: I needed help yesterday my kid's on spring break, so

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Speaker 1: we took him to Disneyland yesterday. You know, I am

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Speaker 1: fortunate that I have a couple of side hustles that

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Speaker 1: allow me to go there for less than the full

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Speaker 1: price of admission, because otherwise that place would bankrupt you.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so, like you know, we took the kid

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Speaker 1: to Disneyland. We let him ride some rides. He's like

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Speaker 1: at the point where now he rides like the big

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Speaker 1: kid rides and stuff. That's awesome, which is great because

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Speaker 1: like there's only so many times I can ride. It's

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Speaker 1: a small world in a day.

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Speaker 3: The worst rode in the world.

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Speaker 1: It's good on a hot day because it's air conditioned

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Speaker 1: in there and you can just sit on the boat

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Speaker 1: and close your eyes for like, you know, eight to

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Speaker 1: ten minutes. Like that part's kind of nice. But otherwise

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Speaker 1: that song that's long, Yeah, that song stuck in your head.

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Speaker 1: But now he writes, you write other stuff. We got

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Speaker 1: on Big Thunder Mountain, we got on the Matterhorn, we

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Speaker 1: did space mountains. So like now it's cool, Like I

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Speaker 1: can go and hang out with him.

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Speaker 3: How many doll whips have you had?

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Speaker 1: Uh No, he's a cotton candy kid. A lot of

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Speaker 1: cotton nice, a lot of cotton candy. Anyway, we still

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Speaker 1: got more draft stuff to talk because we are officially

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Speaker 1: one week away from the NFL's onboarding process happening on

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Speaker 1: live television in front of everyone. What it is, it's

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Speaker 1: the hiring process, which by the way, makes it even

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Speaker 1: more bizarre that they play the national anthem before the

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Speaker 1: draft that will never not be weird to me. You

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Speaker 1: are you are making job offers to people about when

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Speaker 1: you got a job offer the last time? Did they

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Speaker 1: play the Star spangled banner? They did not? Right, that

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Speaker 1: would be weird.

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Speaker 3: Stag do that salute or whatever?

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Speaker 1: Right? And like all here, by the way, so you

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Speaker 1: got a meeting with HR, Like that's silly, It's just weird.

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Speaker 3: Wow, how margus If anyone knows this, of the three

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Speaker 3: of us, it would be you. How long before they

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Speaker 3: get drafted do they meet HR?

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Speaker 1: Oh? I would imagine it's probably within like twenty four hours,

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Speaker 1: right because usually usually when you get drafted, especially like

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Speaker 1: the first round guys and stuff, like, they immediately put

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Speaker 1: you know, whatever team facility there is. And yeah, I

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Speaker 1: would think that you walk in and you're signing contracts

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Speaker 1: and taking photo ops like yeah, I'm sure a big

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Speaker 1: part of it is you, uh, you know, sit down

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Speaker 1: and you know, get your little HR manual and and

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Speaker 1: do all your you know, trainings and all that kind

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Speaker 1: of stuff. You know your nine o's right, Like I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm sidio. Could you imagine that? Like, you know, Caleb

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Speaker 1: Williams and Jade Daniels had to sit down and like

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Speaker 1: watch a video on like you know, workplace behavior.

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Speaker 3: Before were going to their first team immediately, like Teamates.

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Speaker 1: You gotta watch this right exactly. Yeah. So anyway, that's

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Speaker 1: neither here nor there. We are going to talk some

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Speaker 1: wide receivers. We were lucky to talk to Matt Harmon

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Speaker 1: earlier in the week and get his thoughts on some

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Speaker 1: of these prospects. You can go check that out in

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Speaker 1: your podcast feed. But now we're gonna kind of break

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Speaker 1: down our tiers, give you some of our thoughts about

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Speaker 1: what we like, what we don't like, the expectations, and

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Speaker 1: few news headlines to get to one. Speaking of wide receivers,

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Speaker 1: Travis Hunter said recently that he would rather stop playing

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Speaker 1: football than to just play one position.

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Speaker 3: I love this.

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Speaker 1: This is okay in terms of attitude and your presentation,

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, man, that's awesome, Like that seems great, Like

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Speaker 1: you're really gung ho about this playing both ways thing, Florio,

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Speaker 1: Do you buy it though? Right? Like if he gets drafted,

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Speaker 1: Let's say he goes number two to the Browns and

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Speaker 1: hey man, we just want you to focus on on corner,

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Speaker 3: Really no, oh no, he's but he's being extra right here.

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Speaker 3: But I love it because to me, this shows one

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Speaker 3: how much he truly like, loves and wants to play

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Speaker 3: both sides of the ball and everything. And my biggest

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Speaker 3: fear is exactly what you just said, Marcus, that a

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Speaker 3: much easier for you to be a primary corner and

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Speaker 3: have packages where you play wide receiver than vice versa,

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Speaker 3: because he's the best wide receiver in this class in

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Speaker 3: my opinion, he would be awesome for fantasy in that sake.

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Speaker 3: But here's what I keep saying, Right Like, when the

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Speaker 3: Angels was eight years ago now signed Sho hae O Tani,

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Speaker 3: everyone was like, he has to pick one side or

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Speaker 3: And then look at where we are now, right like,

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Speaker 3: so just give Travis Hunter the chance, right like, if

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Speaker 3: you're the Browns or the Giants, the Patriots, whoever takes him,

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Speaker 3: give him the opportunity in year one to try both

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Speaker 3: or anything like that. You can always change it, but

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Speaker 3: just give the kid a chance like that. That's my attitude.

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Speaker 3: If I was drafting him, I'd be giving him an

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Speaker 1: I definitely hear that argument undred percent. Hear that argument,

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Speaker 1: and I would I would add that if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: it's still early in his overall football journey, right. I mean, ideally,

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a little bit harder to do that

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Speaker 1: at twenty seven, eight, twenty nine years old than it

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Speaker 1: him the shot. But I will ask you now, Lakwan,

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Speaker 1: if he is playing both sides, right, if he is

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Speaker 4: That is the big number one question. Because honestly, as

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Speaker 4: you would like him to be on the field as

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Speaker 4: much as he is on defense. But it's a matter

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Speaker 4: all right, Joe Shanezaing, basically we have a need at corner.

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Speaker 4: So that's like indicating like, hey, this guy's gonna play defense,

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Speaker 4: So as a fantasy manager, you're like, what the heck, Like,

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Speaker 4: But it's one of those things, man. It Look it's April.

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Speaker 4: I mean, look when camp stars will start hearing more

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Speaker 4: the second team on defense, but he played Like we're

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Speaker 4: gonna start hearing all this stuff soon as camp comes around,

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Speaker 4: to get a clear understanding of what he's projected to do.

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Speaker 4: But I'm with you, guys, just let him do it

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Speaker 4: for one season. He has to do it now because

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Speaker 4: imagine like you up there in twenty six, twenty seven,

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Speaker 4: we're not gonna be talking about this by then because

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Speaker 4: he's gonna pick one area. So let him have the

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Speaker 4: wide receiver corner year two and three, you can still

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Speaker 4: flirt with it and kind of play put him in packages.

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Speaker 4: But after that, I don't see it going past his

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Speaker 4: playing with some big, grown men, like some men that

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be an ugly picture.

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Speaker 3: I think it's manageable, though, right cause, like it's not

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Speaker 3: like he's a running back. I agree with your point, LQ,

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Speaker 3: and I think the NFL is going to think that way.

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Speaker 3: But if I draft him, I'm telling him go down early,

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Speaker 3: like slide, run out of bound, stuff like that to

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Speaker 3: manage the hits. And on defense, I'm telling my safeties,

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Speaker 3: there and tact like I don't want this kid having

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Speaker 3: So like for fantasy, I'm scared because we don't know

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but even then, I just I wonder if there's

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Speaker 1: and then also giving you, you know, forty to fifty

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Speaker 1: And and yeah, you can, you can sort of coach

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Speaker 1: make some tackles. But like, how do you hide him

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Speaker 1: in the run game, right, like when you're facing the

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Speaker 1: Ravens twice a year, And and and if he edicts

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Speaker 1: is for him to not tackle, well, if I'm running

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Speaker 3: You know what I do, and I'm like, try and tackle.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, business decisions. And I think that's where he becomes

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Speaker 4: a liability on defense. So he should just be focused

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Speaker 4: more so as a wide receiver to make the big

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Speaker 1: His college coach was a master business to decisions and

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Speaker 1: was known. Look, Deon was known for a lot of things.

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Speaker 1: He was a great cover corner, right he locked down

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Speaker 1: of his game there. Yeah, So, I mean, hopefully those

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Speaker 1: you know, I think everybody's hyped on him because of

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Speaker 1: what he can do, and we're all very curious to

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Speaker 1: see what he can do at the next level. But

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Speaker 1: I just have this feeling that for our own greedy,

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Speaker 1: selfish fantasy purposes, it's going to be underwhelming, right, which

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Speaker 1: is the production won't match the talent.

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Speaker 3: Because if he played just wide receiver, what's his upside?

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Speaker 3: I think he has wide receiver one upside.

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Speaker 4: I'm not to say where does he go and drags it?

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Speaker 4: He's just focused on wide receiver. I mean, I have

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Speaker 4: an idea of maybe the first round, depending on which

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Speaker 4: So it's like if I need like if I'm Joe

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Speaker 4: Chip in the house, like, all right, cool, we'll roll

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Speaker 1: They have painted themselves into an absolute corner at this point,

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Speaker 4: You win a pointless game, you could have been at

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Speaker 1: I mean, Russ is not what he wants. Was Jamis

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Speaker 3: I don't know what they're doing here, but to me,

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Speaker 3: Is that enough to save your job and stuff? To me,

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Speaker 4: of saying what it is. It's right there, like this

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm just looking at it, Philly Washington.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not even and I think it's not even

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Speaker 1: My final word on is that the Giants can go

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Speaker 1: what tape? Based on? Based off of I think I'm

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Speaker 3: I would be shocked if Traylon Burks is the second

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Speaker 1: Traylon Burks, Traylon Burks in three NFL seasons, told that

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Speaker 1: Ten has fewer than seven hundred total career receiving yards.

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Speaker 1: In twenty seven games, he has fifty three catches for

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Speaker 3: Like, if I'm the Titans, right, second rounds up, obviously

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Speaker 3: up on weapons to put around cam Ward Like yes,

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Speaker 3: oh again, if you asked cam Ward this same question

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Speaker 4: Yeah, seriously, Like I don't know. I thought this was hilarious,

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Speaker 4: And plus he was playing Fortnite, which is even more hilarious.

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Speaker 3: Like give me Fortnite money, Like that's all he wants.

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Speaker 4: Wow, there's Fortnite money. I did not know that. Oh yeah, seasoned.

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Speaker 4: I'm seasoned now. But him bigging up Traylon Burds just

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Speaker 4: I just feel as though, like there's no way that

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Speaker 1: No, this is definitely not that moment, by the way.

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Speaker 1: the chat that I guess. He also said Tony Pollard

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Speaker 1: It for for Fortnite, So so yeah, Kim Moore obviously

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Speaker 1: all in on the Titans. Gonna be really awkward if

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Speaker 1: just because everyone else's head would implode. That would be

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Speaker 3: Like holding the beer like like we could.

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Speaker 1: Stick around for more of the NFL Fantasy Football Show.

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Speaker 1: you the wide receivers because it is arguably the deepest

434
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: position in this draft. Running Back is very good, very

435
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: deep this year as well, but the way wide receiver

436
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 1: has gone in the last few NFL drafts, we've seen

437
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 1: so many guys immediately step in and make an impact,

438
00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:08,160
Speaker 1: and there's a chance we could have that again this year.

439
00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 1: Although the consensus fellas is that this draft, this wide

440
00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 1: receiver class, maybe isn't quite as good as what we've

441
00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: seen in years past. Nonetheless, there are some some real

442
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 1: difference makers potentially here in this group. A Tier one.

443
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 1: It is a man into himself. It is Travis Hunter.

444
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 1: We talked a little bit about him at the top

445
00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 1: of the show, but I'll ask each of you, starting

446
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:34,880
Speaker 1: with you Florio, at this moment, not knowing where he's

447
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,720
Speaker 1: going to be, not knowing what position he's going to

448
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:42,199
Speaker 1: primarily play, where are you comfortable taking him? Is he

449
00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 1: a top thirty receiver, top forty receiver? How comfortable are

450
00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 1: you you know we're drafting him.

451
00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 3: I want to say top forty, but I feel like

452
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 3: other people will pull him up. Look, this is all

453
00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 3: subject to change based on where he up. Because just

454
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 3: like Lakwan was saying last segment, like we are going

455
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:08,199
Speaker 3: to get answers throughout this spring and summer, and like

456
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,200
Speaker 3: I'm sure as early as at, like the day after

457
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 3: the draft or whatever, there's gonna be articles out there

458
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,919
Speaker 3: like here's how the new team he's on plans to

459
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:20,119
Speaker 3: utilize him. So he I know, landing spot matters with

460
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,919
Speaker 3: all teams, but I feel like Travis Hunter is maybe

461
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 3: the most landing spot dependent prospect ever because of how

462
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 3: special he is and how differently he can be utilized.

463
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 3: But just as a wide receiver, there's nothing I don't

464
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 3: think he can do. Like I think he's a tremendous

465
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 3: route runner.

466
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:39,959
Speaker 1: He's got elite speed.

467
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 3: He he could do what I love, and that's winning

468
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 3: numerous different ways. He could win after the catch, he

469
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,360
Speaker 3: could win downfield. He has good hands, he could win

470
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 3: contested catches. He didn't have to a bunch in college,

471
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 3: but when he did, he was able to make those plays.

472
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 3: And again, this speed is what I go back to

473
00:23:56,080 --> 00:24:00,040
Speaker 3: because to me, speed separates like good and great and

474
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 3: and he has that high end speed, that second gear

475
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 3: where he could be a big playmaker, a home run hitter.

476
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 3: And I think if he was to play wide receiver

477
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 3: exclusively in year one, let's say he wasn't a corner,

478
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 3: he is a top thirty wide receiver for sure, and

479
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,159
Speaker 3: I think maybe even top twenty four at because of

480
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 3: how wide receivers have been pulled up in recent years.

481
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 3: And his upside would be a wide receiver one or

482
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 3: high end wide receiver two, something like that. But again,

483
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 3: so much is just determined on how he is going

484
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,440
Speaker 3: to be utilized, and until we get those answers, I'm

485
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 3: not willing to push I don't even know if I'll

486
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 3: be willing to push him up after we get those answers.

487
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,479
Speaker 3: It all depends on how they're going to use him.

488
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 1: So I'm looking Lakwan right now at the Fantasy pros ADPs,

489
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: the consensus ADPs. Hey, I was looking at that too, sweet, Well,

490
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: we can look at it together. Travel Hunter right now

491
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: among wide receivers is wide receiver fifty six. Wow. Sandwich

492
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: between Michael Pittman Jr. And Quinton Johnston. I suspect that

493
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,320
Speaker 1: is just a function of the unknown talking.

494
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 4: Correct, Yes, that's definitely the function of that. And like

495
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,160
Speaker 4: even at other places, like an underdog, he's like wide

496
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,760
Speaker 4: receiver forty three, and he's going off the board after

497
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 4: you know, Khalil Shaki, He's going around where Matthew Golden

498
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 4: is getting pulled off and loof the burden. And like,

499
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 4: I feel like some people in the best ball community

500
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 4: are understanding, like, hey, this kid is going to play

501
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 4: at some point. He's gonna make big plays at some point.

502
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 4: But what matters to me is the volume, because like

503
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 4: we talked about it, like he's going to be in

504
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,119
Speaker 4: some of these packages. How many targets per game is

505
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:37,959
Speaker 4: this guy going to see? Like is he even going

506
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 4: to have opportunity like to be on the field when

507
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 4: they're in the red zone? Like these are all things

508
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 4: that you know, we need to consider and understand and

509
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,680
Speaker 4: have our expectations in order. Like I won't be touching

510
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 4: him in redraft, like that's already a given. Like this summer,

511
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 4: I won't lose any sleep I'm missing out of him.

512
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,440
Speaker 4: I don't care if he finishes a top fifteen wide

513
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 4: receiver great, I'll buy in next season. Let's keep the

514
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 4: ball rolling, you know, But like this year, I've taken

515
00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 4: too many chances and I've taken too many risks on

516
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 4: guys that just had too many question marks, And like

517
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 4: this time, I want to play. It's plain, simple and safe.

518
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 4: And I understand scaring money, don't make money, but Marcus

519
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 4: with do you always say you never lose money off

520
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 4: of profit, right.

521
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:17,639
Speaker 1: Never lose money making a profit?

522
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 4: We go, So yeah, I can't see myself like talking

523
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,679
Speaker 4: him up and like saying, like, yo, now we have

524
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,959
Speaker 4: the idea that he's going to be playing wide receiver

525
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 4: for X amount of snaps forer a game, like it's

526
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 4: one of those things like we just have to wait

527
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 4: and let it play out. Like I can't get on

528
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 4: this micro go anywhere and say, Travis Hunter, you must

529
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 4: draft him because of X, Y and Z. I don't

530
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 4: care where he's at.

531
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 3: If he's going wide receiver fifty six, I'll take him

532
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 3: in every draft because we're talking about him being a

533
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 3: late round dart throw at that point and worst case

534
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 3: I could cut him. But if I have to use

535
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 3: a significant pick on him, then I feel exactly like Lakwonda.

536
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 4: But he's going around your boy, Kalusha gar that's highly disrespectful.

537
00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,199
Speaker 4: Like I think that crazy disrespect that closure care is

538
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 4: still being looked at.

539
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 1: Wait fifty no, no, I got forty four.

540
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:13,120
Speaker 3: So that's forties. Yeah no, Like Secure's the exact opposite

541
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 3: of Hunter. He's super safe, but we're getting outside the fifties.

542
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 3: To me, I just want upside of that range.

543
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Uh so I'll ask you this, Floya, because

544
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 1: of the three of us, you're the one who still

545
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: plays the most Fantasy baseball. I had to sort of

546
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: retire from that because, I mean, you look, because Travis

547
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: Hunter is playing both offense and defense. The the Shoho

548
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: Tani comparisons keep coming up, right, I get it, And

549
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: I'm not bringing this up to try and lift one

550
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: up at the other's expense, But I will say that

551
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: in fantasy, I think the difference between them is that

552
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,199
Speaker 1: Shohy can can do both pitch and hit. And I mean,

553
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: correct if I'm wrong, He's still a high first round

554
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: pick in Fantasy baseball. Correct.

555
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 3: He was the number one pick because uh because one,

556
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 3: because what he did hitter wise last year was so

557
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 3: good that like he was it was him and judge

558
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 3: with the top two hitters, and then you add in

559
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,960
Speaker 3: that it Also baseball is weird because it's very format dependent,

560
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 3: Like in weekly leagues, he's kind of viewed only as

561
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 3: a hitter because you're not gonna take all his that

562
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 3: bats away just to get that. But in daily leagues

563
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 3: where you get to pick, he's by far the best

564
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,120
Speaker 3: player because you start him as a hitter like six

565
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 3: days a week and then the other day, like it's

566
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 3: it's a cheat code. Ya though, has him as two

567
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 3: separate players, and I hate.

568
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: That as somebody, as somebody who doesn't play, that would

569
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: seem to make the most sense, But again, I haven't

570
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 1: played fantasy baseball in years, so I don't. I don't

571
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 1: know if I get.

572
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 4: As two players available in drafts, okay, do it?

573
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess, But if IDP, that could yeah

574
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: to be interesting.

575
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 4: I've seen him getting talked up into fantasy streets too

576
00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 4: in the IDP community like hey, draft traveling, Like I'm like, wow, okay, yeah.

577
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 1: Except that having the little bit of IDP that I

578
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: that I know, if Travis Hunter is the corner that

579
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: we think he can be, he's not going to be

580
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: a good IDP player. Like because he's not gonna get

581
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: targeted because people are going to target him. He's especially

582
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 1: if he's not making tackles, then like what are you

583
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,959
Speaker 1: really getting? You need picks, you need pick sixes.

584
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 4: But I'm gu that IDP slot he still account for

585
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 4: offensive Fantasy points as well.

586
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: So it's kind of like I know.

587
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 3: What, though, Tawny. With baseball, it's which like you only

588
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 3: get hitter or pitcher points depending on where you use him,

589
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 3: which I again like, I'm like, you should get all

590
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 3: of it because he's a unicorn and he should be

591
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: treated as such. But then people are like, well, if

592
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 3: you don't have altana, you're gonna lose every time.

593
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 4: I wonder if Julio Jones got IDP points when he

594
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 4: was making that random tackles and stuff at times playing defense.

595
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're on probably depending on your your scoring,

596
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: all right.

597
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: Then well you suld get offensive points in the IDP slot.

598
00:29:58,080 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, I.

599
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: Mean, you know, like how many tackles does Jamus Winston have?

600
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: Does that? We can go down to the rabbit holes. This

601
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: is what we wanna do, right, all right, we can

602
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 1: go down the rabbit hole.

603
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 4: It ain't gonna be much because you get negative points

604
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 4: on the interception.

605
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: That's true, very true, Wow, very true. I didn't think

606
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: we'd go there. Let's let's move on to Tier two

607
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 1: because a few more interesting names in Tier two Tech

608
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: McMillan from Arizona, Matthew Golden from the University of Texas,

609
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: A Mecca Abuka, who we talked to Matt Harmon about

610
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: earlier in the week, and Luther Burden, who is sort

611
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: of Schrodinger's prospect, either good or not good, depending on

612
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: which of my two co hosts you ask here. You know,

613
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: it seemed like you're being out voted La Kwan.

614
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 4: That, Yeah, I get it, I get it. He's explosive

615
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 4: and open space. You're gonna have to design some plays

616
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 4: for him, and you're gonna be very, very very happy

617
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 4: and satisfied when he makes these big plays on offense.

618
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: But who's drawing up these plays? Where is he going?

619
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 4: I can't have a solid opinion on him to talk

620
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 4: him up, because we've seen too many prospects of his caliber,

621
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 4: of his electric ability fail and fall in their face.

622
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 4: And I'm not going to say Laviscus Channau is the

623
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 4: exact comp that I have, But It's an example of

624
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 4: like a guy that was explosive in open space who

625
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 4: ran like a running back, slipped all these tackles, and

626
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 4: it failed because he went to the bad location of

627
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 4: the Carolina Panthers and Jacksonville.

628
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 1: So it's like, hey, does Luther Burden?

629
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no no.

630
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,440
Speaker 4: I'm just saying I think there's a risk with the

631
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 4: type of talent that he has. We've seen too many

632
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 4: examples of them going to wrong locations. So I need

633
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 4: to know Landing Spot before I start talking in positive

634
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 4: light about this kid.

635
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: But doesn't that apply? I feel like that applies to

636
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: pretty much everybody outside of Travis Hunter. I think it does.

637
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 3: I think the biggest difference between me and Laqwan is

638
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 3: we just view Luther Burden as a like I see

639
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 3: the type of player that you're talking about, LaQuan, and

640
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 3: I know that prototype and it is very like Landing

641
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 3: Spot depending on how he's used and stuff. I just

642
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 3: think Luther Burden's more than that. Like, I think he

643
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 3: can win downfield. I think he can separate consistently. He

644
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 3: could win after the catch. He's got good hands, Like

645
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 3: I saw a lot that I really loved while watching him.

646
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 3: I think the QB play held him back a lot,

647
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 3: especially on those deep passes. Ideally, I think he is

648
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 3: a number two in the NFL. But I literally could

649
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 3: say that about every single wid receiver in this class

650
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 3: outside of Travis Hunter.

651
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that's the biggest difference.

652
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: Is just how we think he can be utilized, because

653
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 3: I think he's a lot more than just a gadget guy.

654
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I get the the impression. Like

655
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: you said, outside of Travis Hunter, so many of these

656
00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: guys are going to really have their fantasy futures hinge

657
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: on the teams they land with, the offenses they land

658
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: in the quarterback play they get. Whereas I don't know

659
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: that we could have said that about some of the

660
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: guys last year, the last couple of years, right, I mean,

661
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase going to Cincinnati was great to play with

662
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, But do you doubt that Jamar Chase or

663
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: Melik Neighbors or Brian Thomas Junior, you know, those guys

664
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: feel like they would have been studs anywhere. And there's

665
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: some places where the gravitational poll is just so strong.

666
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: That's my point, But that's an outlier, right, Like I

667
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: mean like like you know, like, hey man, like you're

668
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: really great, except for you got sucked into a black hole.

669
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: A lot of would have like that would have sucked

670
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: everybody down right, but like everybody else in open space

671
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: is doing great. Yeah, I like Technic, I like tech McMillan,

672
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 1: but it does feel like you know, like you Floria,

673
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: you and Harmon we're talking about like are they going

674
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: to send him somewhere where they're like, hey man, we

675
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: just want you to sort of be a high point guy.

676
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: Do we want you to just try to be a

677
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: contested catch guy? And maybe that's not his best strength.

678
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: I mean we've seen that with guys in the past

679
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: before and it just has never worked out. Instead of

680
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: actually figuring out what he does well or maybe using

681
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: him in a way that that hasn't been used before.

682
00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: I just I worry about that with all these guys

683
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: in Tier two.

684
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I wouldn't want Luther Burden to go like

685
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 3: to the Patriots, let's say where they're like, you're our

686
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 3: number one. Like I would love the volume, but I

687
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 3: don't think he's that kind of like X receiver. But

688
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 3: if you put him opposite of an X then and

689
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 3: You're like, you could run streaks, you could do all

690
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 3: these different things. Like I think he adds a lot

691
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 3: to an offense because he can. He's just very versatile.

692
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 1: How how do you feel about Matthew Gouldens. I feel

693
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: like that's the name. We haven't spoken about a lot.

694
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: I hear the sigh from Florio, so I would like

695
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 1: you he kicked off in Hale, Like what what is that?

696
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 3: I like Matthew Golden. I think he's getting a little

697
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 3: pushed up because of the forty and when I watched

698
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 3: him play, I didn't feel like he he was as

699
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,880
Speaker 3: he played as fast as the forty time indicated.

700
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: And then.

701
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 3: Of all of these players and tier one and tier two,

702
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 3: I feel like he has the greatest chance of potentially

703
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 3: busting because like his college production doesn't match the hype

704
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 3: that he's like people are talking about to him, like

705
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 3: is he the best receiver in this class?

706
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: I never saw that.

707
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 3: While watching him, I saw a really good number two

708
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 3: at the NFL level. Like I think his ceiling, I wrote,

709
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 3: is like he could be like a Jalen Wattle type,

710
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 3: but not as good as Jalen Wattle. And Marvin Mims

711
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 3: was another name that came to mind, but I don't

712
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 3: know if it was the cute because I didn't love

713
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 3: the QB player. I think at times the downfieldness held

714
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 3: him back, but like there was a lot of screens

715
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 3: and stuff like that in his game, and I like him. Again,

716
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 3: I agree he belongs in this tier and all of that.

717
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 3: But if you ask me of these names, who's most

718
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 3: likely who is the highest chance of not living up

719
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 3: to expectations, I feel like he's the answer.

720
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: All right, where are you on? I see you nod

721
00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: in your head.

722
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 4: When I was watching it, it was more so of like, Okay,

723
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 4: this guy can really take the top off. He's fast,

724
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 4: he could be reliable, and like I looked at him,

725
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 4: like how you said Wattle, Like his role will kind

726
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 4: of be like a Wattle Devontae Smith, Like these guys

727
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 4: that are wide receiver two's to an alpha and they

728
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:29,439
Speaker 4: can have that ability to step up at times as

729
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,719
Speaker 4: a wide receiver one. Like I feel like he will

730
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 4: be in a situation like let's say he goes to Dallas.

731
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 4: Let's just pinpoint him the Dallas. That'll be a great

732
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 4: location for him to really act as a number two.

733
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,319
Speaker 4: But at times can really help CD Lamb get open,

734
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 4: help CD Lamb just kind of take a break, you know,

735
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 4: running those deep routes.

736
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: You don't have to.

737
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 4: Use CD deep all the time, where Golden will take

738
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 4: the top off. So I feel like this will be

739
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 4: an area like he will fit perfectly, and for fantasy

740
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 4: it may translate to a weekly starter. So it's like

741
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 4: one of those areas of like we're back to landing spy,

742
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 4: We're back to where he needs to go. But it's

743
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 4: more so of like if a team understands that he

744
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 4: is not a one and he's not the best player

745
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 4: in this draft, the best wide receiver in this class,

746
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 4: then he will be able to be successful fantasy wise.

747
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 4: And that's how I'm going to address him in draft.

748
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 4: When you know, when these drafts start coming up, especially

749
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 4: with rookie drafts underway. Now, like he's going in the

750
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 4: first round, I think you do take that. I think

751
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 4: you do take that opportunity to take him in the

752
00:37:22,440 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 4: first round of a rookie draft, because again, my ideal

753
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 4: of how I look at him as like a wide

754
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 4: receiver too, with some wide receiver one upside on a

755
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 4: good team.

756
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: I'm looking at his his profile on NFL dot Com

757
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 1: and Lakwan lanceser line camped him to Chris Olava and

758
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: there goes to Lakwan, he's leaving the show.

759
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 3: Is a good player, though, Look just don't give don't

760
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 3: give back you Golden Derek Carr please.

761
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was about to say, just don't give him

762
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: car if he doesn't get Depending on how things go,

763
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,239
Speaker 1: Chris Olave may not have Derek Carr this year too,

764
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,720
Speaker 1: and it's getting the year that shoulder shoulder situation.

765
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 3: How do you guys feel about players, like, because Golden

766
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 3: has never had like a thousand yard season or anything

767
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 3: like that. And I believe if I'm remembering correctly, like

768
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 3: Isaiah Bond, no, the he out produced Bond. But like

769
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:19,120
Speaker 3: I don't know, like do you guys ever hold that

770
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 3: against the player where like they don't put up huge

771
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 3: college numbers.

772
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: Some of it depends on the offenses that they are in,

773
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: you know, depends on the offenses they are in, the

774
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: quarterback play that they get. H you know, the fact

775
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: that he did not he was not the leading receiver

776
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:40,479
Speaker 1: in terms of catches at Texas, but he was their

777
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: leading gainer in terms of receiving yards, had nine touchdowns,

778
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: you know, on a team that was very good on

779
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: a very good offense. Yeah, I think that counts for something, Right,

780
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: you look at the conference they played in, you look

781
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 1: at the level of competition, you look at the production

782
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: he had. I do think that is worth something. But

783
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: I think a thing that is sort of consistent with everybody,

784
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 1: pretty much everybody in this class is that there aren't

785
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: any guys that I look at as true alphas, right.

786
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: There are all a lot of really good complimentary pieces.

787
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: I've seen Matthew Golden mocked to Seattle and I'm sort

788
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 1: of like, yeah, I mean it'll be a good fit.

789
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: I think in terms of the opportunity, I don't know

790
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 1: that it necessarily elevates the Seahawks offense, you know, at

791
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: this point, right, like you know, like Kean Jaysen and

792
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: Matthew Golden with Sam Donald at quarterback be the trio

793
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 1: that really gets this offense over the top. And I

794
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: don't think so. I think it's kind of a middling

795
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 1: offense if that's what they're going into the season with,

796
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: you know. I think the same thing with with a

797
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 1: Mecca Abuka. I think he's a good player. I thought

798
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: it was interesting when we asked Harmon about all the

799
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 1: recent guys coming out of Ohio state where Abuka fits.

800
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: And his first reaction was, I think he's kind of

801
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 1: the bottom of the list, you know, And not that

802
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: he's saying Buka is a bad player, but when you

803
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: compare him with the Garrett Wilson's, the JSNS, the Chris

804
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: Olaves that at Buka doesn't necessarily Marvin Harrison Junior, he

805
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily rate with those guys.

806
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:22,760
Speaker 3: He needs volume more than any of these other.

807
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,520
Speaker 1: Guys for fans, Yeah, and can he go somewhere to

808
00:40:25,560 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: get that level of volume. I mean, I guess somebody

809
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 1: will draft him as such, but I don't I don't

810
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: know that I would just bring him in and load

811
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: him up with targets in year one.

812
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 3: I don't know, because he's he's not a big play

813
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 3: guy so more than anyone else. He But last point

814
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 3: on Golden is, I'm not a huge college football guy,

815
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 3: as you guys know, but like me, I know, coming

816
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 3: into the year, it was like McMillan and Burden are

817
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:52,880
Speaker 3: the top two wide receivers and obviously Travis Hunter, and

818
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 3: then at the end of the year it was all

819
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 3: like McMillan is the number one guy, and then Golden

820
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 3: ran the forty and everything kind of changed, And I

821
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 3: don't want to overestimate him just because he can run

822
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 3: fast and chorts.

823
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:12,360
Speaker 1: Well, that makes you different than Al Davis. That is

824
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,759
Speaker 1: the thing I do miss about draft season. You know

825
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: when Al Davis was still with us and running the Raiders,

826
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: that you could just look at the forty times and

827
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 1: you could easily predict who the Raiders are going to

828
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: draft because like, this guy had the fastest forty, you're

829
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 1: a Raider. Like that was pretty much how it went.

830
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: Who is it? That's its Darius Hayward Bay, Darius Bay. Okay,

831
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: since we're since we're on Darius Hayward Bay. You know

832
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,880
Speaker 1: you were asking about guys in their their college production

833
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: and how much you hold it against them. Darius Hayward

834
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 1: Bay was a chief I think example of that because

835
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: he played in a Maryland offense that was just wide open. Right.

836
00:41:54,360 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: They ran multiple wide receivers all the time. They they

837
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: throw the ball a ton, and somehow in his college

838
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: career he never even had eight hundred yards in a season.

839
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking at it.

840
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: It's insane, right, I mean they were the I mean,

841
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: like Maryland wasn't necessarily a good team in terms of

842
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: wins and losses. But they threw the ball eight ton

843
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: and they were out of the shotgun eight ton And

844
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: somehow DHB never put together a really higgs Yeah, oh

845
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: my god. But he was fast. He was fast, and

846
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: that's what it was. Wow. All right, we still got

847
00:42:35,600 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 1: a couple more tiers of guys to go through. We'll

848
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: get you through tiers three and four as we continue

849
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: our look at wide receivers heading through the draft. That's

850
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: next on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. During the break,

851
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:52,759
Speaker 1: we decided to go through the wide receivers taken in

852
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: the two thousand and nine draft. Darius Heywood Bay was

853
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: the first one taken at number seven, and we went

854
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: through the first round. One great Michael Michael Crabtree easily

855
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 1: the best of the bunch. He went to the Niners

856
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 1: at number ten and ended up having a very good career.

857
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: But the other first round guys, Jeremy Macklin, Okay, he

858
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: had a couple of decent seasons. Percy Harvin was never

859
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: the NFL player that he was in college at Florida.

860
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 1: He was amazing at Florida. Never matched that in the NFL.

861
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 1: Hackey Nicks, who had a pretty good career mostly with

862
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 1: the Giants. He went number twenty nine. Kenny britt Let's

863
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 1: go goes number thirty to the Tennessee Titans. Kind of

864
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: had an okay career, but yeah, overall, the first round

865
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: wide receivers in two thousand and nine were pretty underwhelming,

866
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 1: although I would think that Darius Hayward bay Nasa did

867
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: he have the worst. He might have had the worst

868
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: career of all the wider Seriously, he has the first

869
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: one of its mocked. Yeah, he was the first one

870
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 1: off the board and he was probably the worst of

871
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:05,839
Speaker 1: that bunch there, all right, Our Tier three and Tier

872
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: four wide receivers. Tier three Trey Harris from Ole, miss

873
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: Elec Iomanoor from Stanford, Jadon Higgins who is Lakwan's dude there,

874
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 1: Iowa State. Let's see another Iowa State, Jalen Nol, Jalen Royals.

875
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: So we got two Jalen's and a Jayden here in

876
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,840
Speaker 1: this tier. Xavier Rastreppo from the You, Jack Beck from TCU,

877
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 1: and Isaiah Bond from Texas who I think we should

878
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: note that there are allegations of sexual assault against Isaiah

879
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: Bond that are being investigated right now, and that is

880
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 1: very likely to have an impact on where he is

881
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 1: drafted right now. So that's definitely something to keep in

882
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: mind when when you think about Isaiah Bond at this point,

883
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: I'll start as you look On, because you were talking

884
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: to Harmon about elk Ioman or from Stanford, guy that

885
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: you just recently took a look at, and you seem

886
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: to have kind of fallen in love with a little bit.

887
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, and our very own Jamie hurdall Good Morning Football,

888
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 4: she's talking him up as well. And I think there's

889
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,919
Speaker 4: something there, man, And honestly, I think he falls into

890
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,719
Speaker 4: a situation where he becomes a possession type. But he'll

891
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 4: flash that big playability at him. He'll throw up a

892
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 4: one hand and catch it and grab it in one

893
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 4: of those things and very very you know, sideline awareness too,

894
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 4: and it's like one of the qualities of a wide

895
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,759
Speaker 4: receiver that you want. And like, he's just one of

896
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 4: those guys that I think he's gonna fall into a

897
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 4: situation and Harmon even notion to it, like doesn't he

898
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,759
Speaker 4: just seem like a Green Bay packer And I'm like,

899
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 4: oh my.

900
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,720
Speaker 1: God, yeah, he kind of does. But that doesn't seem

901
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: great for fantasy, right, No, it just like it just

902
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: seems like a black hole for fantasy.

903
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 4: If he know, and like I hope he lands into

904
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 4: a situation where he could really get the reps and

905
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 4: get the work. Like I'm not expecting year one impact

906
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 4: from him, honestly, and like if we do get it,

907
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 4: it's one of those things where it's like, Wow, this

908
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 4: is just the perfect situation for him to be a contributor,

909
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 4: to be a wide receiver too that can flash at times.

910
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 4: And that's what most of these teams in this draft

911
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,320
Speaker 4: need right now. They need another guy on the other side.

912
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 4: Like we're talking about the Panthers who need a one,

913
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 4: but we're looking at you know, the Patriots they need

914
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 4: a two next to Diggs, because I think Diggs is

915
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 4: still going to be able to go out there and

916
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 4: be you know, a Stefan Diggs of the past, but

917
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:19,959
Speaker 4: more so of like, you need another guy that needs

918
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 4: that help. You need somebody that's gonna go out there

919
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:23,880
Speaker 4: and be able to contribute and be reliable.

920
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: Anybody in this group that that you really like Floria,

921
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:34,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I know the you know, Lakwan loves Jayden Higgins.

922
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: We were you a Jalen Nole guy. I don't remember

923
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,959
Speaker 1: if you were. I do like Jalen Nole.

924
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 3: I I remember watching him and being like he kind

925
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 3: of reminds me of Khalil Shakir, Like really good in

926
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: the slot, good hands, can win after the catch and

927
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 3: flash a bit downfield, Like you're not drafting him for

928
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,479
Speaker 3: his downfield ability, but that's in his game. You could

929
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 3: sprinkle that in. But he could be a possession guy

930
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 3: who's really thrives after the catch. And another one that

931
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 3: I like. I don't want to say I like him

932
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 3: because of all the off the field stuff he's dealing

933
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 3: with now, but just as a player, Isaiah Bond stood

934
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 3: out to me because of speed and he liked to

935
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 3: me he plays faster than Matthew Golden. I know Golden

936
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 3: ran the forty faster, but watching them together, I was like,

937
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 3: this guy is the one that I would want to

938
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 3: be given the ball to every time because he could

939
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 3: he could take at the distance any single plays. So

940
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 3: that's always what I'm looking for, is like, do you

941
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 3: have a a trait that makes you kind of elite

942
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 3: in some regard? And he has that speed I believe

943
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 3: so in this group those Noel and Bond are the

944
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 3: two that I have the ranked the highest of these guys.

945
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: From just strictly a football standpoint, Did it bother you

946
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: the whole Isaiah Bond, I'm gonna break Xavier Worthies record

947
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: in the forty to end up not coming really close

948
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 1: to that.

949
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 3: I thought it was hilarious. I know we got a

950
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 3: couple of jokes on this, and you don't underpromise over

951
00:48:09,680 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 3: deliver like that's that's that's advice to life.

952
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 4: That hurt his draft stock before any of the other alludes,

953
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 4: because like you you really set up these gms like

954
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 4: all right, we're locked in, and then it's like.

955
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 3: What is this?

956
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,399
Speaker 1: What is that?

957
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 3: I knew about that before I watched him and then

958
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 3: so like to me, I was like, oh, this guy's

959
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 3: not nearly And then I watched him and I'm like,

960
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 3: oh he's he's To me, I think he's plays faster

961
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 3: than Golden who ran way faster.

962
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: So like.

963
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 3: I I think that the forty is cool and all,

964
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 3: but like how many times there's a player running untouched

965
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 3: straight forty yards? Like to me, I care more about

966
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 3: can you do you look fast when you're playing against

967
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 3: your peers? On the field and he checked that.

968
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 1: Box for me. Yeah, no, I think that's fair. Yeah,

969
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: we said before. Yeah, the the combine, I guess, is

970
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: theater for a lot of people. But it you know,

971
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: they don't do actual football drills in the combine. You know,

972
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: it's just not There's a reason it's called the Underwear Olympics.

973
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 1: So I do think it's it's important to sort of

974
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: go back to the tape and look at what you're

975
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: seeing there, you know. And I think to your point

976
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 1: though about Matthew Golden and his college production, I think

977
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: some of you know, if you are underwhelmed by it,

978
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 1: I think some of it is because he was sharing

979
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,279
Speaker 1: opportunities right that they they had other guys there like

980
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: Isaiah Bondu, you know, who could make plays, and so

981
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: that that naturally took some things off of his plate

982
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: a little bit. So I think that's sort of worth

983
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 1: keeping in mind. I'm you know, I like bond I

984
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: like iomen Ore. But again, I think if we talk

985
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 1: about the guys in tier two being landing spot dependent there,

986
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:54,959
Speaker 1: what does that mean about the guys in Tier three?

987
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:59,279
Speaker 1: You know that you're really yeah, you're really guessing, is

988
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 1: that you know, like best late round dart throws were

989
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: probably more Dynasty dart throws than anything.

990
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 4: Jalen Royles is a name that comes up a lot

991
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 4: too in the fantasy streets, and I think it's more

992
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,239
Speaker 4: so his landing spot needs to be an understanding from

993
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 4: the coaching staff that they need to know what his

994
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 4: role actually is, because like he's better after the catch,

995
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 4: Like he's not a guy that's gonna constantly win down

996
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 4: the field, Like he needs to operate on those first

997
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 4: two levels, so like the screens and then little slot

998
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 4: slants stuff like that.

999
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: But it's more so of like he goes to a.

1000
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 4: Spot that's expecting more from him, I think he's gonna

1001
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:33,160
Speaker 4: be really disappointed, even as a fantasy manager, of the

1002
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 4: outcome that you're gonna get with him.

1003
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, in this range, Like look, I'll say I like

1004
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 3: Bond and Noel and Lakwan. I know you like Ia

1005
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 3: Manor and uh Higgins, and I'm not as high on

1006
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 3: them as you, but none of that matters, right, Like

1007
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:51,279
Speaker 3: this is just how we feel about these players. But

1008
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 3: if you put the guys that I like in bad

1009
00:50:54,080 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 3: situations and the guys that LQ likes in good situations

1010
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,879
Speaker 3: are on the guys that look going and I think

1011
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,200
Speaker 3: right Lakwan would feel the same way. Like if those

1012
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 3: guys get buried on the depth charts and some of

1013
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 3: these other guys now are in the landing spot where

1014
00:51:07,160 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 3: they're getting lots of volume, Like, yes, these some of

1015
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 3: these guys will be fantasy relevant. We just don't know

1016
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 3: which ones yet because they're so landing spot.

1017
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: Depending make the draft in March. These I just I

1018
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 1: laughed because you maybe inadvertently just upended and dug up

1019
00:51:25,800 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 1: the whole absurdity of draft season, right, Like I don't

1020
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: think you meant to do that, but like really, because

1021
00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: like everything you said was one hundred percent correct, right,

1022
00:51:33,640 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: Like we could sit here and give you evaluations, and

1023
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,879
Speaker 1: you look at metrics and you can break down tape

1024
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 1: and do x's and o's, But for a lot of

1025
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: these guys, if you just end up buried on a

1026
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: depth chart, none of that matters, and all the chatter

1027
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: we've been doing for the last six weeks is useless.

1028
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: But you know, we filled space and we satisfied sponsors.

1029
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 2: I'm just here to give people expectations.

1030
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: Just I'm just here so I don't get fined. That's it.

1031
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 3: Tyler Johnson. Here were fantasy streets were pushing him to

1032
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 3: be like a second round Dynasty pick, get higrafted in

1033
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 3: the seventh round.

1034
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: The Tyler Johnson hive was strong for years. Really, yes,

1035
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't the OG.

1036
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 4: I was part of it when he landed with the

1037
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 4: Bucks and then I'm like, Okay, opportunity is there.

1038
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: That's the thing. He landed with the Bucks and like

1039
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 1: they had Mike Evans and then yeah and Chris Godwain,

1040
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: Chris Godwin. I'm like, I'm like, I don't care how

1041
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: good he is, Like he's just not going to get

1042
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: a legitimate chance on that roster with those guys.

1043
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 4: He gotta shot with the Rams. He showed up in moments.

1044
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 4: He was very crucial last year.

1045
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:38,000
Speaker 1: By the time we got to the Rams, like you know,

1046
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,440
Speaker 1: the hive had been hit with rocks and nobody was

1047
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:41,840
Speaker 1: like caring about it anymore.

1048
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 3: Yeah what, But like, look, I know, Lakwan, you want

1049
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 3: the Rams to take a receiver for real life purposes,

1050
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 3: and I get that, but like, if you put one

1051
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 3: of these guys on the Rams, they're not going to be,

1052
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 3: in my opinion, fantasy all that fantasy relevant because you

1053
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 3: have Puka and DeVante Adams who are going to get

1054
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty targets each.

1055
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:01,320
Speaker 2: Like I wanted a Mechaa Buka.

1056
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 4: And then as you start watching and understanding, like he's

1057
00:53:04,280 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 4: a slot guy, okay, but his role will overlap with Pooka,

1058
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Like I kind of want

1059
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 4: Pooka to operate slot outside even with Adams. So it's like,

1060
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 4: where does he fit in? You know what I mean? Like,

1061
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,279
Speaker 4: I don't think he will get that voum they be

1062
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,880
Speaker 4: fantasy relevant. But a guy like Jaalen Nole, Like we

1063
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 4: need somebody that's going to be a slot who's gonna

1064
00:53:21,640 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 4: be quick in his breaks and stuff like that. I

1065
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 4: think there could be something there for him if we

1066
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 4: just let him live and breathe there and just keep

1067
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,680
Speaker 4: Pooka and Adams on the side. But again, it's all

1068
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 4: about what's gonna work and what overlaps what doesn't overlap.

1069
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 4: For real life purposes, I want us to draft the slot,

1070
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 4: but fantasy purposes, it's not going to be anything worth drafting.

1071
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: No. No, I think any any receiver who gets drafted

1072
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: by the Rams is it's like that.

1073
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 4: Yeah I said that too, but I'm like, oh man,

1074
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,040
Speaker 4: it just it just wouldn't be like fantasy relevant, Like

1075
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,680
Speaker 4: I would love to draft him, but it's just be

1076
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 4: like I already know.

1077
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 2: How this is going to go.

1078
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:59,479
Speaker 1: But I think that applies to any receiver the Rams

1079
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: with draft, like I I hope we do. I hope

1080
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: we do, even Luthor Burden. If we get burdened, then

1081
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 1: we're back. Baby. Come on, you know you don't. You

1082
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: don't deserve Luthor burd You don't deserve Luther Burden now

1083
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: because you just type let him go, let him. You

1084
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 1: had too many negative things to say about Luther Burden.

1085
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:18,600
Speaker 1: You don't.

1086
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 2: He's not in the Satral yet, He's not in the

1087
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 2: Satral yet.

1088
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 3: He ends up in the Rams. Lakwan's buying his jersey.

1089
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Gavin. Gavin says, the RAM is gonna

1090
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: draft Luthor Burden and Caleb Johnson and force you to

1091
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:39,160
Speaker 1: watch them watching this. I really kind of that to happen.

1092
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 3: Just to watch him crash out of you.

1093
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,319
Speaker 1: Also, you've been very on board with like kind of

1094
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 1: moving on from from Kyen Williams. You're kind of like,

1095
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: I don't know about Kiren. I guess they replaced him

1096
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: with Caleb Johnson. That's gonna be a you know, that's

1097
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,480
Speaker 1: gonna be a monkey's paw like Alwa's move from cal

1098
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: Karen Williams and the monkey Paul curls a finger and

1099
00:54:59,160 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: then like you're year screwed, real quick, last feminute before

1100
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: we get out of here. Tier four, Kyle Williams from

1101
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,760
Speaker 1: Washington State. Pat Bryant from Illinois, says Johnson from Oregon.

1102
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:12,280
Speaker 1: Nick Nash from San Jose states, I felt that Maryland

1103
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 1: and Twine Wells Junior from Ole, Miss, Ricky White at UNLV,

1104
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: Dante Thornton Junior at Tennessee. I'm a Florida. Anybody out

1105
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: of this group that you particularly have an eye on.

1106
00:55:24,120 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 3: I think a lot of these guys are going to

1107
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 3: be just NFL contributors if that, except for one Kyle Williams,

1108
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 3: and this is how high I am on him, I

1109
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,880
Speaker 3: would put him not only in Tier three, I would

1110
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:38,719
Speaker 3: put him over all of those other Tier.

1111
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 1: Three wow wow.

1112
00:55:40,840 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 3: I like Kyle Williams a lot. I know he's small,

1113
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 3: but he is fast, and he can win and he

1114
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 3: can't so he's not an X. He's not like an

1115
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,000
Speaker 3: intermediate kind of guy, a jump ball guy, anything like that.

1116
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 3: But he could win, Like you could generate screens or

1117
00:55:56,840 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 3: short quick throws for him and he could win after

1118
00:55:58,600 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 3: the catch. That way, he could win deep, and he's

1119
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 3: just as big of a threat on those short passes

1120
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 3: to turn into a chunk play as he is on

1121
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 3: those deep targets. So again, not an NFL one, not

1122
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 3: an X anything like that. But I was really happy

1123
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 3: when we were talking about harmon the other day because

1124
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,799
Speaker 3: this is as I'm sure you guys feel this way

1125
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 3: too at times, Like I'm not a scout or anything

1126
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 3: like that. So I'm watching these players and writing down

1127
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 3: what i think. But I'm like, is this accurate? Harmon?

1128
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:28,719
Speaker 3: Kind of he said, Jayden Reid, And that was the

1129
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 3: name I wrote that I wrote, and they Flowers were

1130
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,240
Speaker 3: two names that came to mind while watching him play.

1131
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 3: So like, again, not a one, but I think there's

1132
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 3: a lot of big play capability here and upside and

1133
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 3: and I just hope he felt like I know the

1134
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 3: bills have been tied to him, like that would be

1135
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 3: a good landing spot for him anywhere where you need

1136
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 3: a number two opposite of like a one. I think

1137
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,080
Speaker 3: is a is a good landing.

1138
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 1: Spot for Kyle Williams anybody you like in this group.

1139
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 4: Look on I like a few players like type Tye

1140
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 4: Fell and I like Antoine aka Juice Wells. I mean, look,

1141
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 4: he's kind of versatile and I like that you know

1142
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 4: on his table when you watch him, like he has

1143
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 4: some personality to like all his plays, like he has

1144
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 4: some type of bully mentality, Like not as versatile as

1145
00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 4: like a debo, but like he's looking for this smoke,

1146
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 4: He's looking for the contact. And it's like I like

1147
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:19,959
Speaker 4: wide receivers when they get the ball in the hand,

1148
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 4: they immediately turn into a running back and like that

1149
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 4: just gives you so much opportunity for yards after to catch.

1150
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,880
Speaker 4: So like guys like that, I think you know they'll

1151
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 4: land somewhere. And like Florio said, these guys would just

1152
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 4: be NFL contributors somewhere. But I wouldn't be surprised. You know,

1153
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 4: you see Sunday, you know you see Antoine Wells in

1154
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 4: the in the end zone off of a big play.

1155
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I like Nick Nash. I understand that,

1156
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: Like he's very uh the situation has to be almost

1157
00:57:45,600 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 1: perfect for him, but he feels like he feels like

1158
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 1: one of those better and best ball guys, right, one

1159
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: of those guys where he'll have a big game or

1160
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 1: he'll make a ridiculous highlight catch, he'll have a couple

1161
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: of touchdowns, and then people will blow fab on him

1162
00:57:57,240 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: and then you won't see him again for three weeks.

1163
00:57:59,160 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 1: Like it has very much has that feel to him.

1164
00:58:02,200 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: But I'm also, you know, Nash pilled enough that I

1165
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:08,880
Speaker 1: might just you know, throw a chip on him late

1166
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: in a Best Ball draft just because I think there's

1167
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: a possibility of that happening.

1168
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 3: He ruins when you look at stats for the wide

1169
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 3: receivers in this class, he ruins it because he had

1170
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 3: like two hundred targets. So he just leads in like

1171
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,840
Speaker 3: every single category. So I'm always like, okay, besides Nick Nash.

1172
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: Who led in this category. Yeah, I mean, that's that's

1173
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:35,200
Speaker 1: super fair. Also, a guy who took advantage of the

1174
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:40,000
Speaker 1: COVID situation played six years at San Jose State, although

1175
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: three of them were as a quarterback, and then he

1176
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,720
Speaker 1: switched over to wide receiver as well. But they played

1177
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: six season, six seasons with the Spartans.

1178
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 3: Who one of these guys was a wide receiver for

1179
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:55,880
Speaker 3: running back First, I'm drawing a blank on who a lot.

1180
00:58:55,720 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 1: Of position changes, a lot of position changes. I mean,

1181
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,480
Speaker 1: I again, I think you got Smith.

1182
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 2: He was a wide receiver turned running back.

1183
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 3: I'm thinking of it was a running back. Yeah, that's

1184
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:08,560
Speaker 3: exactly who I was thinking of.

1185
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:09,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's my boy.

1186
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:11,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll get them later.

1187
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's gonna it's gonna be interesting. Next next week.

1188
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: We'll be back with you on Tuesday and we'll kind

1189
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 1: of give a draft overview and maybe that's right and

1190
00:59:23,680 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: hum next Tuesday, all right, so we got that. That'll

1191
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: be great and uh then on Thursday, we will do

1192
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: a live stream, no pod on Thursday, but as soon

1193
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: as Night one of the draft is over, we will

1194
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 1: be up and live on YouTube on the the NFL

1195
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: Fantasy YouTube channel, kind of recapping what we saw in

1196
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:46,920
Speaker 1: the first round and getting you ready for the rest

1197
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,520
Speaker 1: of the weekend as well in the draft. We'll be

1198
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: sure to stick around for that will be uh yeah,

1199
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: remind you of it next week too, So should be fun. Uh.

1200
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,880
Speaker 1: There you go. That's it for our wide receiver tiers.

1201
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: That is it for our positional breakdown. So look look

1202
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:01,960
Speaker 1: forward to talking to Emory Hunt as we do every year.

1203
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: We'll do that next week. But that'll do it for

1204
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,959
Speaker 1: this edition of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, The Happy,

1205
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: Safe and Healthy, do good, and live well. Enjoy the weekend, everybody,

1206
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: and we'll talk to you again next week.