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Speaker 1: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about

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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody, It's the Ping proven Grounds podcast. Shane

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Speaker 2: Bacon alongside Marty Jerts and Tony Serrano is with this. Tony, Uh,

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Speaker 2: I always love when you come on because that means

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Speaker 2: we talk so much, Marty about drivers and the importance

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Speaker 2: I mean, was there a time when you're coming out

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Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, Tony, we're sitting here in the putting lab, right,

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Speaker 2: And Tony, I mean, you look at the face of

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Speaker 3: So that's our IQ technology which we're just introducing on

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Speaker 1: Go such a great analogy.

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Speaker 1: Yep, there is so much to the visual system, Shane, like, like,

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Speaker 1: that's the beauty of IQ is that the best elite

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Speaker 2: Marty, when you did the testing with your eyes, what'd

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Speaker 2: Tony, I did want to ask, I mean, you talk

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Speaker 3: I think it's players specific, I really do. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: get measured, if you can have your putting stroke measured

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Speaker 1: on something like eeping or a blast or something that

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Speaker 1: measures your face rotation, you can also use the guide

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Speaker 1: of whether if you pull your putts, you can play

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Speaker 1: a putter that's more slide arc or strong arc. And

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Speaker 1: the more you pull your putt, the more strong arc

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Speaker 1: you go, it will deliver the face more open at impact,

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Speaker 1: with the ball in the face is the dominant thing

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Speaker 1: over the path. If you push your you'd want to

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Speaker 1: play a putter that's more straight arcer that has less

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Speaker 1: toe hang to it. Then if you could get on

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Speaker 1: iping go see one of our fitters and get on iping.

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Speaker 1: We see fantastic results if you marry up the balance

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Speaker 1: of the putter with how much you rotate the face right.

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Speaker 1: So if you rotate the face less during the stroke,

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Speaker 1: play a more We see better consistency. And that's a

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Speaker 1: big thing and putting. If you play a putter with

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Speaker 1: less toe hang, if you have a lot of rotation,

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Speaker 1: write a lot of rotation. That's where you like that feel.

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Speaker 1: Applying a lot of torque or twisting about the shaft axis.

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Speaker 1: Play a more toe down putter. Generally you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: better repeatability.

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Speaker 2: Tony, we talk about like the technology in terms of

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Speaker 2: the way we look at putting with our eyes. Do

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Speaker 2: most average golfers understand the way they putt? Do the

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Speaker 2: most average golfers, if you ask them how you putt?

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Speaker 2: Do they understand the way they put Do they have

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Speaker 2: an idea of what they might need or the mists

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Speaker 2: they have, or the stroke they type they have?

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Speaker 3: I think what Marty's that. I think most the general

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Speaker 3: guy out there playing golf would know. If you mentioned, hey,

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Speaker 3: do you have a right miss or a left miss?

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Speaker 3: I think most guys will say, yeah, I do miss right, Well,

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Speaker 3: I do miss left and would probably remember their last round.

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Speaker 3: I miss that putt to the right, and I missed

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Speaker 3: that put that once you ask them, I think if

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Speaker 3: they thought about yeah, there and that, I think would

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Speaker 3: be easier for them to know what kind of part

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Speaker 3: they would need. They to think about.

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Speaker 2: It, and it might be something to track. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we've we've spent so many years tracking gi rs and

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Speaker 2: fair ways we hit and even tendency. But I think

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Speaker 2: as a golfer that's trying to improve the idea of

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Speaker 2: tracking the tendencies of your bad shots. I tend to

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Speaker 2: miss my driver left over right, but I tend to

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Speaker 2: miss putts right over left. I mean, you can even

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Speaker 2: track that within a scorecard throughout a few rounds of golf.

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Speaker 2: Maybe if you are struggling you're putting, to give yourself

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Speaker 2: an idea of what I might lean into as I'm

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Speaker 2: looking at a new putter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the best way to kind of feed into

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Speaker 1: a putter fitting is to track some of those stats

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Speaker 1: and then no, statistically, you do it over a few rounds,

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Speaker 1: so you got good statistical significant One of the biggest

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Speaker 1: challenges of putting, and Tony knows this very well. Is

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Speaker 1: It's it's also the most variable skill. Like any given day,

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Speaker 1: we can output tiger woods, right, but but you might

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Speaker 1: not ball strike tigers two thousand. Probably Pat, you could output.

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Speaker 2: Him for a day, you know what I mean. So

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Speaker 2: it's it's very very variable skill, Tony. How excited are

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Speaker 2: you about this line?

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Speaker 3: I'm really excited. Like I said when we first started,

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Speaker 3: it's the white It's just something new, it's something we've

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Speaker 3: talked about for years. I think everybody in the office

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Speaker 3: is really excited about it because it's something fresh, it's

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Speaker 3: new for us. It's still very much pin We put

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Speaker 3: a lot of time and effort in into this and

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Speaker 3: how we do it, and we've stuck to our design philosophies,

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Speaker 3: which is very important to us. And I just think

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Speaker 3: that it's really come out. It's a great looking product,

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Speaker 3: it performs great, it feels great, and yeah, we're just

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Speaker 3: we're really excited about it.

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Speaker 2: Do you think the line in terms of white putters

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Speaker 2: will continue beyond this? Do you think maybe the option

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Speaker 2: will continue in terms of allowing people to if they want,

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Speaker 2: maybe the next line of putters has a white option,

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Speaker 2: if you will.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a good chance. Just on the early

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Speaker 3: feedback we've had from players. That's where I was a

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Speaker 3: little I wasn't sure how it was going to go.

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Speaker 3: But just the early feedback from our players has been excellent.

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Speaker 3: Like even some of our tour reps have come back

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Speaker 3: and said, hey, we weren't sure, but man, it's been

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Speaker 3: really good. The IQ stuff has been people are buying

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Speaker 3: into it and believe in it, and so out of

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Speaker 3: the gates early it's been really positive. So yeah, I'm

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Speaker 3: hoping it goes well. And I could see that carrying.

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Speaker 1: On, Tony. The Hayden looks very familiar to a putter

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Speaker 1: from our past. Tell us a little bit about where

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Speaker 1: the inspiration for that model came from.

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent the Nome putter we did. It's been

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Speaker 3: a while, but we did anme putter years ago and

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Speaker 3: that's one hundred percent the inspiration. It isn't quite the Gnome,

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Speaker 3: but it does have the footprint and kind of that

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Speaker 3: top se action how kind of comes in and points

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Speaker 3: towards the center of the gop pall. But that that

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Speaker 3: is the inspiration of with the Gnome putter. The name

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Speaker 3: is Hayden and that was the Scotts Stale line, so

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Speaker 3: it's kind of ties into Scott Stale and the waste management.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of one of the main roads that goes

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Speaker 3: in and out of the If you've ever been to

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Speaker 3: the waste management, you might have taken Hayden.

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Speaker 2: Road probably the probably walk down that road there you're

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Speaker 2: leaving the waste manager.

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Speaker 3: So that was kind of where the name came from,

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Speaker 3: just to tie into Scott Stale and the waste management.

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Speaker 3: And so that's where the name came from.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, the putters look great, always enjoyl you

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Speaker 2: take it sometime to kind of walk us through not

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Speaker 2: just the new putters, but the new technology. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I just find putting it's always something to explore, you know,

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Speaker 2: within your game. And as I joke with Marty all

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Speaker 2: the time, I feel like he's always exploring so many

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Speaker 2: things to try to improve and make just one more

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Speaker 2: putter rounds. Always appreciate of the time, Tony, thank you.

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