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Speaker 5: No goot the heavy back right here at the beginning
Speaker 5: of the real countdown to the draft. We're nine days
Speaker 5: away now from the start of the draft and the
Speaker 5: I mean we've always called it on the Draft Show
Speaker 5: it's lying season, and I completely agree with that.
Speaker 6: I mean, you get to hear different rumors almost every single.
Speaker 5: Day that we're out here about what could possibly happen,
Speaker 5: where the Cowboys could go, where the other thirty one
Speaker 5: teams in the NFL could go.
Speaker 6: I don't care about them, and well you should care
Speaker 6: a little.
Speaker 1: Bit, a little bit, just a tiny bit.
Speaker 5: I really have to care, just to figure out what
Speaker 5: are you doing in front but a couple things before
Speaker 5: we get into some diving in draft talk using notes.
Speaker 4: Patrick Absolutely, So, yesterday, on Monday, April fourteenth, the Cowboys
Speaker 4: officially began their voluntary OTAs, so their offseason program is
Speaker 4: now underway. The players are reporting to the facility, which
Speaker 4: for all intents and purposes, officially launched. Just a Brian Shottenheimer,
Speaker 4: because now everybody's in the building, Headliners, Dak Prescott in attendance,
Speaker 4: and I know there's another one that everybody wants to
Speaker 4: talk about. Michael Parsons is in the building.
Speaker 6: Oh, I was gonna say, DU's fine.
Speaker 1: You're gonna say, yeah, that's fair. Shouts out to Duce
Speaker 1: he was out there. Shouts to Solomon Thomas. That was nice.
Speaker 4: I like to see that Salomon Thomas was in the
Speaker 4: building early yesterday. So far an incoming free agent to
Speaker 4: be ready to hit the ground running like that.
Speaker 1: That's good stuff.
Speaker 4: But Michael Parsons, we talked about it last week and
Speaker 4: I said, I believe that, you know, part of the
Speaker 4: contract negotiation between Micah and and the Cowboys is kind
Speaker 4: of going to be determined by if he shows up
Speaker 4: and honors his word at voluntary OTAs and going forward
Speaker 4: because last couple of off seasons, you know, he's worked
Speaker 4: out on his own, you know, rather be in a
Speaker 4: beach on a beach or Sumore wrestling on the other
Speaker 4: side of the planet. Michael was doing his own thing.
Speaker 4: Now he's showing the leadership. He's here, he's in the building,
Speaker 4: he reported yesterday, and he's already hit the ground running
Speaker 4: for Matt eber Flus and some of these other guys
Speaker 4: love to see it. I think that can only speak
Speaker 4: positively as far as where this contract talk, these contract
Speaker 4: talks can go over the next couple of days, a
Speaker 4: couple of weeks. I really believe in my heart of
Speaker 4: hearts this will expedite it. I think this will expedite it.
Speaker 4: So Michael Parsons is in the building, dek Prescott's in
Speaker 4: the building. A lot of other players are still filling in.
Speaker 4: But yeah, so big news there yesterday, and it should
Speaker 4: have been a non story. But considering who we're talking
Speaker 4: about in the contract talks, I get why it's the story.
Speaker 4: So the lion is in his den.
Speaker 5: Well, and part of the negotiation process that hasn't been
Speaker 5: kept under wraps really at all. I feel like most
Speaker 5: of the conversations have been at least aired out from
Speaker 5: one side or the other, either the Jones side, the
Speaker 5: front office side, or the Parsons side and his agency side.
Speaker 5: So you see the negotiations and part of what the
Speaker 5: Jones family in the front office want to see as
Speaker 5: a leadership role.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 5: They want to see him step up in a bigger way,
Speaker 5: whether that's in practice or film study or whatever it
Speaker 5: may be, just to help this team get better along
Speaker 5: the way, not saying he hasn't done that in the past.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 6: Voluntary workouts have been hit or miss in the past.
Speaker 5: Right last year, he missed all of them last year
Speaker 5: across the planet.
Speaker 6: So he was hanging out with C. J. Stroud wherever, which.
Speaker 1: Was a great cause. He was sure with the youth.
Speaker 6: Over there exactly.
Speaker 5: But he's here, and I think that's important to note
Speaker 5: when he is here and he's working out and he's
Speaker 5: part of the voluntary like you said in quotations here
Speaker 5: a second ago, Isaiah, is voluntary. You need to be here,
Speaker 5: and he's here, so that's a good thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's necessarily it's.
Speaker 6: I don't think it's a signed to what is to
Speaker 6: come of contract talk.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think that he we saw last year
Speaker 4: and based upon the things that he stated last year
Speaker 4: in regards to him trying to step up as a leader, sure,
Speaker 4: he was making a very asserted effort in that area.
Speaker 4: He also was very outspoken in regardless of when d
Speaker 4: Law parted, right, and we understand that that is a
Speaker 4: huge vacancy in regards to leadership in that particular position
Speaker 4: at the defensive end spot. He's also been very vocal
Speaker 4: about other players in college football that were opting to
Speaker 4: not show up.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: So you couple all those things together, and then you
Speaker 4: factor in the fact that he's has a new defensive
Speaker 4: coordinator that he needs to get acquainted with and that
Speaker 4: is going to perceive him as the as the leader
Speaker 4: just by impact alone.
Speaker 1: Right, you're considered a leader. You're in a position of leadership.
Speaker 4: I don't want to say you're considered a leader, but
Speaker 4: you're in a position of leadership when you are the
Speaker 4: top player on that side of the ball. So he
Speaker 4: has that going and then yea, then you can throw
Speaker 4: talk about the contract.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: Then a contract comes in, right, so you have all
Speaker 4: those other things and then the contract. So I don't
Speaker 4: believe that this is going to expedite the talks. I
Speaker 4: don't believe that this is going to have any impact
Speaker 4: on their ability to get a deal done.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to impact the bottom line numbers.
Speaker 4: I just think that it's a good thing that he's
Speaker 4: here because he needs to be here right for a
Speaker 4: number of reasons. But I don't think that any of
Speaker 4: it is in regards.
Speaker 1: To his contract. So a couple of things.
Speaker 4: One I do agree one wholeheartedly, just wholeheartedly with what
Speaker 4: you're saying. As far as new defensive coordinator one hit
Speaker 4: the ground running. And we sat here at this table
Speaker 4: this time last year, and I distinctly remember Isaiah's standback
Speaker 4: feeling away because Mike Zimmer was in the building. Michael
Speaker 4: Parsons was not in the building. So for all the
Speaker 4: things that Isaiah's saying, we have the receipts. Isaiah said
Speaker 4: the same thing in the un verse when Michael was
Speaker 4: not in the building. So on what I say, what
Speaker 4: I mean by expediting it, I think that Coyle referenced
Speaker 4: a little bit in his transition point to you in
Speaker 4: that I think the Cowboys want to completely see the
Speaker 4: leadership role. I think they're already all in for the
Speaker 4: most part.
Speaker 6: I mean the ex's and oh's. It's hard not to
Speaker 6: be right.
Speaker 1: The x's and o's, they're all in on Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1: We just like to see this right.
Speaker 4: They're ready, they're ready to get this deal done. It
Speaker 4: takes two to tangle. So keep that in mind, folks,
Speaker 4: when you're in person. Right, But there have been question marks,
Speaker 4: maybe not necessarily upstairs, but there have been question marks.
Speaker 1: And there's the narrative, let me put it that way.
Speaker 4: There's the narrative that Michael Parsons he focuses too much
Speaker 4: on the podcast. He's not the leader in the locker room,
Speaker 4: so forth and so on. We saw Michael start to
Speaker 4: make the transition to being a leader in the locker
Speaker 4: room last year. Saw how he took guys like Mozzie
Speaker 4: Smith under his wing as early as training camp last season,
Speaker 4: pushing Mazzi after practice when the cameras were all gone,
Speaker 4: it was he and Mozzi Smith out there running drills
Speaker 4: and things.
Speaker 6: There was a considerable step.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, So he has been transitioning to that leadership. So
Speaker 4: the only question that remained in the narrative, whomever is
Speaker 4: carrying the narrative. The only question was when the contract,
Speaker 4: If the contract is still not in place, is he
Speaker 4: willing to show up to volunteerta something he's not done
Speaker 4: in seasons past?
Speaker 5: So can I can I bring up two more questions
Speaker 5: now now that we've checked the box on that one.
Speaker 5: The next one is will he be willing to continue
Speaker 5: showing up for voluntary workouts and in the mandatory mini
Speaker 5: camp and you've got OTAs and you've got the rest
Speaker 5: of the off season workouts.
Speaker 6: I mean this is.
Speaker 5: Day one, We're talking day one, and I mean we
Speaker 5: don't know who's there today at the moment, and you know, like,
Speaker 5: will he continue.
Speaker 6: To step up? That's my first question.
Speaker 5: The second question is when the contract does come, We've
Speaker 5: seen a step forward in the leadership. We've seen a
Speaker 5: step forward in his mentality, uh to be a better teammate,
Speaker 5: to be a better leader, into to kind of take
Speaker 5: on a veteran role. When the contract does come, is
Speaker 5: this all for the contract or is it a change
Speaker 5: that will last further into his career? Because I think
Speaker 5: there are Cowboys fans out there, not me included. I
Speaker 5: believe in Micah and I really do think it is
Speaker 5: a legitimate transition. However, there are fans out there and
Speaker 5: there are people out there in the league that don't feel.
Speaker 4: That way, and I get their standpoint because they don't
Speaker 4: have all the information. Sure, right, when you talk about
Speaker 4: like individuals such as ourselves, others in the building who
Speaker 4: watch and speak with Micah on a regular basis, sometimes
Speaker 4: on a daily basis, especially in season when the cameras
Speaker 4: are not around, we're looking at him. We're seeing how
Speaker 4: he moves or seeing how he conducts himself around other players.
Speaker 4: We're talking to other players who are talking positively about
Speaker 4: Micah and the growth that he's had. I don't believe
Speaker 4: this is disingenuous and simply tied to a contract.
Speaker 1: I believe this is a maturation Process's good.
Speaker 4: I think he's growing up and growing into right, he's
Speaker 4: growing up and growing into the realization, especially now with
Speaker 4: the partying of ways with you, the Marcus Lawrence and
Speaker 4: the Cowboys, and you saw how he jumped in front
Speaker 4: of that train. For me, that had nothing to do
Speaker 4: with the contract. That was Michael Parson saying, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Speaker 4: Whatch You're not going to do is leave and then
Speaker 4: turn around and throw shade at my team like he's
Speaker 4: embodying it as my team. So to answer that second question,
Speaker 4: I believe that this is one hundred percent Micah maturing
Speaker 4: and understanding this is his team and it has to
Speaker 4: be his team going forward.
Speaker 6: Good well put.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the DeMarcus Lawrence situation certainly does does shed a
Speaker 5: little bit of light light on what he has been
Speaker 5: and what he's meant to this team around him too.
Speaker 5: Guys like, oh, sir, and I know he's gone now,
Speaker 5: but Chauncey in that whole scenario all stepped up and
Speaker 5: we're on Micah's side of that whole ordeal. So just
Speaker 5: something to keep in mind is this ongoing saga will continue,
Speaker 5: I mean until the contract is signed and then after
Speaker 5: that we've seen that too. It'll continue, but it's just
Speaker 5: another step along the way. What other news and notes.
Speaker 6: Do we have here?
Speaker 4: We have We're still waiting for one other thing to drop.
Speaker 4: Hopefully that drops before the show is concluded, So put
Speaker 4: a pin in that latest. If it does, we'll let
Speaker 4: you know absolutely in real time. One of the few
Speaker 4: times we got it in real time is supposed.
Speaker 5: To after the show and talk about it on the
Speaker 5: Draft show.
Speaker 6: Oh, thirty seconds.
Speaker 4: We did get another update on Dak Prescott. I was
Speaker 4: able to speak to Dak Prescott a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 4: Tommy Yard spoke to Dak Prescott from the Children's Cancer
Speaker 4: Fund Gala did some great work out there on Saturday, and.
Speaker 1: I believe Friday Friday, if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 4: Nonetheless, Dak Prescott continues to make progress in his recovery
Speaker 4: from that hamstring injury. There's been discussion because of Jake
Speaker 4: Ferguson's social media post calling him the Slim Reaper and
Speaker 4: saying that he dropped fifty pounds. He has not dropped
Speaker 4: fifty pounds. Dak Prescott has not dropped fifty pounds. Dak
Speaker 4: qualified a little bit differently. He said, more or less
Speaker 4: he's at the same weight. It's just reproportioned, right, So
Speaker 4: it's more mass in his legs and his thighs and
Speaker 4: his quads and whatnot. As he recovers and he gets
Speaker 4: more strength and builds more muscle to try to prevent
Speaker 4: that type of injury from happening again in the future. So, no,
Speaker 4: he's not down fifty pounds. I've even seen some reports
Speaker 4: that he's down thirty pounds. Let Dak tell it, and
Speaker 4: he would know better than anybody. He's not down any
Speaker 4: pounds air quoting around any but he definitely looks a
Speaker 4: bit slimmer, but he's not necessarily again reproportioned muscle. But
Speaker 4: one thing that stuck out for me was him saying
Speaker 4: that if the Cowboys had to play a game today,
Speaker 4: he could go.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now, of course that's I know what you're about to say.
Speaker 4: Easy to say when you don't actually have to play
Speaker 4: a game, right, But the fact that he has that
Speaker 4: level of optimism, combined with what we are seeing from
Speaker 4: the videos that are being posted him doing workouts with receivers.
Speaker 1: He's throwing.
Speaker 4: You know, he's planting well, and anyone who's who remembers
Speaker 4: in real time when the injury happened, he couldn't plant
Speaker 4: because it's his plant leg, right, So he's planting, he's throwing,
Speaker 4: there's some vlo on the throws, right, he's rotating, so
Speaker 4: things are looking good.
Speaker 1: Does this mean he won't start on the pup list
Speaker 1: for training camp to be determined?
Speaker 4: To be determined, but he as he's tracking, he's tracking
Speaker 4: that there's a solid shot that he may dodge the
Speaker 4: pup list. I don't believe it until I said giant
Speaker 4: race in the hips. Until I can see the sausage
Speaker 4: ration hips again, I don't believe you're deck Oda.
Speaker 5: He hasn't been the same, hasn't been the same since
Speaker 5: Hi went away.
Speaker 6: I'm with you.
Speaker 5: I I think we're gonna get to Oxnard. I think
Speaker 5: he'll be ready week one, don't get me wrong. And
Speaker 5: he's not gonna play in the preseason. So we're what we're.
Speaker 1: Talking about some times practice sometime.
Speaker 6: We're alan ivers here, talk about practice.
Speaker 1: In July August. You got four months, He's got time.
Speaker 6: He'll be fine. If he ends up going to training camp, great.
Speaker 5: If not, we get a great look at Joe Milton
Speaker 5: and Will Greer, and we get to see what they
Speaker 5: can do from an increased number of snaps, both which
Speaker 5: the train and the preseason, which is not a bad thing.
Speaker 1: So ceede.
Speaker 4: Lambs hold out that benefited Jaylen Tobert, Jalen Brooks and
Speaker 4: some of those benefits. No, I want transition to a
Speaker 4: slow start is what you're getting at.
Speaker 1: But we'll see if it is baking.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it'll it'll benefit some of the guys on the
Speaker 5: back of it.
Speaker 6: But yeah, I want him there. I just don't.
Speaker 5: I'm with Isaiah, I won't believe it until I see.
Speaker 1: It, tossa himps.
Speaker 4: And also, what even more so to your point, is
Speaker 4: we talk about with Micah and a new DC, even
Speaker 4: though Schottenheimer was already here, it's now Shottenheimer's team. And
Speaker 4: now you have a new OC combined with that, and
Speaker 4: then you have a new OL coach and Connor Rdle,
Speaker 4: you have a lot of new pieces, and of course
Speaker 4: asterisk next to new or next to Schottenheimer's name when
Speaker 4: you say new. But again, things are being changed on
Speaker 4: the offensive side of the ball and in massive ways,
Speaker 4: and you need and you would love to have Dak
Speaker 4: Prescott ready to go day one in ox SNAr.
Speaker 1: But you and I both know you and not we three.
Speaker 1: We know they are not going.
Speaker 4: To push the issue if that push is going to
Speaker 4: risk his availability at any point next season, rather it
Speaker 4: be upfront or on the back end, because they didn't
Speaker 4: handle it correctly on the front end. So if they
Speaker 4: need to put him on the pub list for a
Speaker 4: couple of days just as a precaution, then they'll absolutely
Speaker 4: do it. But he's making some good progress, so he
Speaker 4: might dodge it all together. Yeah, any other notes, Nothing
Speaker 4: that comes to mind right now unless we get the
Speaker 4: news that drops.
Speaker 6: Okay, so there we go.
Speaker 5: We're gonna take our first break here on Talking Cowboys.
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Speaker 5: the Tuesday before the week of the NFL Draft, were
Speaker 5: nine days away, and Isaiah's already got his Cowboys Star
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Speaker 4: This is my best friends, my best friend right here
Speaker 4: leading up to next Thursday.
Speaker 1: Looking forward to you that the way you were crazy man?
Speaker 5: Can I give away a little industry secret on the
Speaker 5: on the so Isaiah called me last what was it Wednesday?
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 5: Or he texted me like Tuesday night and was like, Hey,
Speaker 5: how do I get a copy of the draft magazine?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I thought it was only physical.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I was like, well, there's a digital copy here and
Speaker 5: it's like four bucks, let me let me give it
Speaker 5: to you. And he ended up I couldn't get him
Speaker 5: a code at that point, so he ended up just
Speaker 5: paying the four ninety.
Speaker 6: Five got the digital copy.
Speaker 5: And then how much conversation did you have on the
Speaker 5: draft from Wednesday through Friday on Good Morning Football where
Speaker 5: this played a fact Listen?
Speaker 4: I had it pulled up on my laptop and I
Speaker 4: was informed and I had all the insight that I needed.
Speaker 4: I was ready for the mock draft that we had
Speaker 4: on GMFB. People were peeking over my shoulder. I was
Speaker 4: doing the old school don't you look at my look?
Speaker 4: And if you know what, I shared this information with
Speaker 4: a lot of people down there at the network. So
Speaker 4: there's a lot of people now that are now tapped
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Speaker 5: That's the thing about it too, is it's it's funny
Speaker 5: because now if everybody disagreed with your draft takes on
Speaker 5: Good Morning I'm going to be the one that gets
Speaker 5: the brut of it. I'm gonna be like, they're gonna
Speaker 5: look at me and be like.
Speaker 1: Kyle, you messed Isaiah up.
Speaker 6: You did it the wrong way.
Speaker 5: But no really excited about how this turned out. We
Speaker 5: we had the print copies sell out on Fanatics. It
Speaker 5: sold out, which was that they're going to restock it,
Speaker 5: so it should be up pretty soon, maybe maybe even today.
Speaker 6: Digital copies are unlimited.
Speaker 4: Awesome because it's on PDF. But it's something about just
Speaker 4: being able to Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a school. I'm for both. I still read like
Speaker 1: actual books.
Speaker 4: I don't really like digital books, but when it comes
Speaker 4: to stuff like this, it's easier on the PDF to
Speaker 4: have that access.
Speaker 1: But I'm still I'm a paper turn both. I still
Speaker 1: love turning pice.
Speaker 6: All Right, you guys ready for our Let's than a
Speaker 6: couple of COF YouTube comment of the day.
Speaker 1: Do it do it?
Speaker 6: From the first segment. This is a new thing. We've
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Speaker 5: I'm going to take a comment from the first segment
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Speaker 6: I need you here.
Speaker 4: Early on you said started on talking, right, Yeah, this
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Speaker 1: Hemory got that good.
Speaker 5: But we're engaging with our chat and trying to make
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Speaker 6: He was an all pro pro bowler.
Speaker 5: It had a lot of fun with the what was
Speaker 5: it the Cardinals where he really had his.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was Tampa Bay is when I remember him. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he played Tampa Bay.
Speaker 6: He was Arizona, San Diego, Miami, Tampa Bay.
Speaker 4: He was freaking Look go look at there's a picture
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Speaker 1: Back when he was in Tampa Bay.
Speaker 4: He looked like specimen bro. He looked like yeah, light wait,
Speaker 4: maybe that ain't sent from one to day.
Speaker 5: All right, So with the draft coming up nine days away,
Speaker 5: I want to transition into some draft talk here, Isaiah.
Speaker 5: I know we've we've kind of talked a little bit
Speaker 5: with you on the show, a little bit with you
Speaker 5: out about the twelfth overall pick. What you could kind
Speaker 5: of end up with if you had the guests now
Speaker 5: nine days out, where do you feel like the Cowboys
Speaker 5: are leaning?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 6: So I believe be a position group, pick specific player.
Speaker 4: The position group I think is a receiver, and I
Speaker 4: think B is going to be office alignment.
Speaker 1: But it really is going to be predicated on what happens.
Speaker 4: Obviously, I think number, the number three overall pick is
Speaker 4: really gonna send this draft into a spiral, yees, spiral
Speaker 4: like that. If that pick is not what everybody is
Speaker 4: projecting it to be, then there's gonna be craziness that
Speaker 4: takes place.
Speaker 1: This New York Giants get it together. Yeah, the Giants
Speaker 1: are there.
Speaker 5: In a position saying the whole NFL draft has to
Speaker 5: rely on the Giants.
Speaker 1: I got a little bit of insight, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying a little.
Speaker 4: Bit insight, but I believe that I believe this is
Speaker 4: this is isaiah Ism.
Speaker 6: So what would be chalking one and two? Chalk would
Speaker 6: be what a more one.
Speaker 4: This is my insight again, this is not from the outside,
Speaker 4: this is me. Sorry, Derek, I know I was in
Speaker 4: his camera. Listen number one. I believe it's gonna be
Speaker 4: cam Wart to Tennessee. Number two to Cleveland. I'm pretty
Speaker 4: sure it's gonna be Travis Hunter. Number three. I forced
Speaker 4: I don't believe it's a good idea, but I foresee
Speaker 4: the Giants bypassing Shador and going.
Speaker 1: With abdu Abdua Carter.
Speaker 5: See, but abdual Carter is such a strong pick there.
Speaker 1: I hear you.
Speaker 4: I would, but what is their future situation that quarterback?
Speaker 4: Not that we care, not that we care, but I'm
Speaker 4: just saying I think it's gonna be stupid that they
Speaker 4: that they pass on them. But I foresee them going
Speaker 4: with abdual Carter, which then.
Speaker 1: Puts most important position.
Speaker 4: The Patriots, in a weird position because I believe the
Speaker 4: Patriots are banking on Abdullah Carter falling to them or
Speaker 4: Travis Hunter falling to them, but neither one of those
Speaker 4: I don't believe is going to happen. So I'm not
Speaker 4: sure what happens with New England's pick there, right, Because
Speaker 4: you obviously have Mike Rabel out there. He's trying to
Speaker 4: get that defense to be absolutely make nasty. He's done
Speaker 4: a great job of stacking that defense up to date
Speaker 4: with free agents and trades and all that jazz. So
Speaker 4: I think that either New York at three dictates what
Speaker 4: it goes on, and then from there it's a curveball
Speaker 4: what the New England Patriots do right, And if you
Speaker 4: find yourself in a situation where it falls down to
Speaker 4: the Bears, I think they are what seven.
Speaker 1: Ten Bears are at ten? Bears are at ten? Okay,
Speaker 1: that's right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I think that Shoulder if he gets past three,
Speaker 4: I think he goes to the Saints. With the new
Speaker 4: news coming out of with the car situation, so I
Speaker 4: think he goes there with Kellen Moore. Kellen Moore is
Speaker 4: not going to start his new head coach lineage without
Speaker 4: a direction to go with a quarterback as so I
Speaker 4: think Shador probably goes nine. I think at the running
Speaker 4: back position, if Gent, I think gent is either going
Speaker 4: to go with the Raiders or he's going to go
Speaker 4: to the Bears. He's going to So I think the
Speaker 4: Bears are either going to take a running back or
Speaker 4: they're going to take an offensive lineman.
Speaker 6: And I would think about the Jags there at five two.
Speaker 1: I think the Jacks. I think the Jackson.
Speaker 5: They're probably gonna go Mason Graham Graham. That's that they've
Speaker 5: fallen in love with Graham d Tackle. You talk about
Speaker 5: the wild card of the Patriots. If the Patriots decided
Speaker 5: to skip on a guy like Will Campbell for melisu
Speaker 5: offensive lineman who mel Kiper and Field Yates today even
Speaker 5: they both mocked Will Campbell to four. If he ends
Speaker 5: up being the pick there or Mason Bram ends up
Speaker 5: being the pick there, it's crazy.
Speaker 6: That's where things kind of stood.
Speaker 4: I truly believe that Dallas is going to have their
Speaker 4: choice at either either the high it Tett area. I
Speaker 4: don't think he's going to fall to twelve, but if
Speaker 4: he does, there's an option there you go Tata Huil
Speaker 4: A good job, Cowboys. If he does it, then you're
Speaker 4: hoping for somehow, some way Campbell or member falling to
Speaker 4: twelve and you're grabbing them and pulling them into the
Speaker 4: interior to fill the Martin gap. Well, I feel like, well,
Speaker 4: I agree one hundred percent on the first Well, a
Speaker 4: lot of what you said, but your lead statement which
Speaker 4: is you believe that wide receiver is point number A.
Speaker 4: It's point A. The more and more I have these
Speaker 4: conversations inside this building, and the more whispers are here,
Speaker 4: they are growing louder. I think that you know Plan
Speaker 4: one A is wide receiver, yep, and Plan one B
Speaker 4: is wide receiver.
Speaker 5: I you know, I think I agree with you, yeah,
Speaker 5: in two different ways, so you.
Speaker 1: Might absolutely get your Now, what.
Speaker 6: Would be you're talking about?
Speaker 5: Who would be your one A though me is Teed McMillan, Okay,
Speaker 5: who would be your one B?
Speaker 1: It's Matthew Golden.
Speaker 6: I think it might be reversed on their board.
Speaker 1: You think so?
Speaker 6: I think so? Interesting, I think it might be. Do
Speaker 6: you think so?
Speaker 5: Conversations and just kind of the the fit between and
Speaker 5: I think I think Ted would be a phenomenal fit.
Speaker 6: But they're looking and this is a.
Speaker 5: Brian Schottenheimer era, right, you just talked about it. What
Speaker 5: is one thing that they don't have in their room?
Speaker 6: Right now?
Speaker 5: If let me let me I asked this question on
Speaker 5: the Draft show. I'm going to see if I see if
Speaker 5: I can get the same answer here. If you had
Speaker 5: to take the Cowboys current wide receiver room, right and
Speaker 5: what throw them all together and lump them into one
Speaker 5: generic thought process. What's the biggest fundamental side of playing
Speaker 5: receiver that they lack the most size? Okay, that's one.
Speaker 5: That's not the answer that we had on the Draft show.
Speaker 5: The answer we had on the Draft Show was separation.
Speaker 1: Oh well, yeah, so size is fair.
Speaker 5: They don't have a ton of size and they don't
Speaker 5: have that one x which Ted McMillan would be that guy.
Speaker 5: So now it's pick your poison. Do you want to
Speaker 5: add size to your wide receiver room or do you
Speaker 5: want to add separation to your wide receiver room?
Speaker 1: Ted can separate GOLDI better.
Speaker 6: Golden is better.
Speaker 5: That's true, agreed. I remember Tet's my number one. I
Speaker 5: haven't budged on. But Tet is one element and Matthew
Speaker 5: Golden's another element.
Speaker 4: Yes, I believe that the Dallas Cowboys can pull off
Speaker 4: one heck of a trade.
Speaker 1: And I mentioned it last time I was here. Say
Speaker 1: with your chest. I can't say it with my chest,
Speaker 1: say it with my pictor one.
Speaker 6: It's the one where you want to die on that hill.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, yeah.
Speaker 4: And if you can pull that off, which I think
Speaker 4: is more probable now than it even was, last time
Speaker 4: we spoke.
Speaker 6: It's pretty probable.
Speaker 5: Even more, I think somebody's listening to this show because
Speaker 5: there was like a blog or somebody out there that
Speaker 5: like put it out there, a pull of full like
Speaker 5: projection of happen, We're going to send a fifth round. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I think it was like a second it's gonna take
Speaker 5: it was second.
Speaker 4: I would do it. I would for that particular individual.
Speaker 4: And if you're able to pull that off, that silent heel,
Speaker 4: your old lineman at twelve, secure, secure the big boys
Speaker 4: up front because they allow for you.
Speaker 1: I'm always saying this to run and pass.
Speaker 4: If you know that you have that in your back
Speaker 4: pocket and you can pull that off, get your big
Speaker 4: boy and put them on the inside and just maul
Speaker 4: everybody off the line and then pull off that trade. Right,
Speaker 4: pull off that trade, and you are sitting pretty because
Speaker 4: you can pick up your receiver later on in the draft.
Speaker 1: That could be a possession guy.
Speaker 4: Sure, now you don't need to go out there and
Speaker 4: find your top twelve pick at receiver. It's gonna cost
Speaker 4: you some bread, it I look, but I looked at
Speaker 4: some of the cap numbers and it's not as bad
Speaker 4: as you think.
Speaker 1: It's not as bad as you think.
Speaker 6: It's still a lot, it's.
Speaker 1: Not as bad as you think.
Speaker 4: But then you know what the conversation becomes because at
Speaker 4: the same time, the player that we're talking about who
Speaker 4: shall remain nameless, isn't exactly.
Speaker 1: A spring Chicken. No, not at all correct. So now
Speaker 1: you're you're also you have to look at the long terms. Yes,
Speaker 1: you do.
Speaker 4: However, somebody that can not only come in and make
Speaker 4: it impact right now. And if you're talking about grabbing
Speaker 4: a wide receiver at number twelve, you expect impact right now. Okay,
Speaker 4: So it's impact now versus impact now, it's proven impact
Speaker 4: versus projected impact.
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying, expense versus not. So let
Speaker 1: me in there. It's draft capital that you gave up
Speaker 1: versus you didn't listen up. Listen, this is you. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you want to make it.
Speaker 4: I'm just giving Some people want to make a splash.
Speaker 4: I'm going cannon ball. Okay, I'm going cannon ball off
Speaker 4: the top rope, top deck.
Speaker 1: You look up there and say, do I want to
Speaker 1: climb those stairs?
Speaker 4: Apps so freakingly colvering the nose up everybody who's up
Speaker 4: there trying to bathe with the little no no swerd
Speaker 4: fish here. Okay, I want you guys getting out there
Speaker 4: diving in the dog on pool and making all the
Speaker 4: water come out, because if you can pull that off,
Speaker 4: you not only have CD LAMB, which is revered as
Speaker 4: one of the most dangerous weapons in the league.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, okay, I believe that.
Speaker 4: This particular individual is the most dangerous player at that
Speaker 4: position in the league.
Speaker 1: He's the most feared person. If you're able to pull
Speaker 1: that off.
Speaker 5: They also have another guy that wants out out of
Speaker 5: that situation too.
Speaker 6: That's pretty darn good too.
Speaker 4: So anyway, so there's that's what I would like personally,
Speaker 4: So I would yeah, I would like a lot.
Speaker 6: Not that one.
Speaker 5: That one, No, the one that's like the uh you
Speaker 5: know what they call dolphins, right, yes, they call them
Speaker 5: the rams of the sea.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, gotcha. Yeah, yeah, that one. I'm not
Speaker 1: so in.
Speaker 6: You're not in on that one.
Speaker 4: I'm in on the first one though, but listen, but
Speaker 4: that's all speculator. Anyways, I would like to see that happen,
Speaker 4: but who knows, So for me that who goes to
Speaker 4: availability too. I just truly believe, I honestly believe that
Speaker 4: it is if you have these big boys up front,
Speaker 4: and there's a handful of big boys that are like,
Speaker 4: can't miss us in this draft?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Membo, Will Campbell, Calvin Banks is probably the third
Speaker 5: of that group.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 5: I think often would probably be two of those.
Speaker 6: Three, if not one of those three.
Speaker 1: Will be there, you know.
Speaker 4: And I don't believe that you can miss on that
Speaker 4: opportunity because in this league it is so difficult to
Speaker 4: find a lineman, the offensive lineman that that is an
Speaker 4: absolute beast and that.
Speaker 1: Can be in that role for twelve thirteen years. You
Speaker 1: need another Zach or Tyron. Your receivers are going to
Speaker 1: come and go. That's just that's what it is.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm not discrediting that position, but it is what
Speaker 4: it is. You're going to go through receivers, right, You're
Speaker 4: not going You're hoping that you don't go through lineman
Speaker 4: most of the time.
Speaker 1: If you have a solid office lineman, that office line
Speaker 1: is going to have a ten year career.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Easy.
Speaker 4: That's not the case with receiver. So I feel like
Speaker 4: you have a greater probability of swinging and missing out
Speaker 4: a receiver than you do at an offensive lineman. I
Speaker 4: feel like what I want. Now, this is me just
Speaker 4: saying what I want because as you're talking about this,
Speaker 4: and again you're right, you're making all the great points.
Speaker 4: I love it offensive line. You build it from the transits,
Speaker 4: you know, that's how I build my team if your
Speaker 4: bullet pays. That being said, though, there's also something to
Speaker 4: be said for a to O and Terry Glenn type
Speaker 4: combo where it's just like, how lethal is this and
Speaker 4: could this be for multiple seasons? Obviously you know to
Speaker 4: O antics notwithstanding, But if you're talking about a Ceed
Speaker 4: Lamb and a Golden, or a Ceed Lamb and a
Speaker 4: Tech McMillan, you're talking about not necessarily having to worry
Speaker 4: about running through receivers again for the next several seasons
Speaker 4: because you have a tandem that immediately assuming that the
Speaker 4: projected inafailibility of Tech McMillan and Golden, assuming they hit
Speaker 4: those ceilings, you're talking about what could arguably the most
Speaker 4: dangerous wide receiver tandem for some time to come.
Speaker 1: That's hard to pass up on.
Speaker 4: That's hard because we're not talking about no knock to
Speaker 4: anyone's so actually, so I won't say names. We're not
Speaker 4: talking about putting your stock into a receiver at a
Speaker 4: fifth round pick, saying Okay, well, yeah, we hope that
Speaker 4: he no. No, a twelfth overall pick at receiver, You're
Speaker 4: putting him in tandem with Ceed Lamb.
Speaker 1: That's tantalizing.
Speaker 5: And I get Isaiah's point, I really do. And if
Speaker 5: if there's a right side player available, like a Mimbo
Speaker 5: from from Missouri, I think I'm there. I'm a little
Speaker 5: bit harder pressed to try and move everybody around the
Speaker 5: way you would if.
Speaker 6: You draft a left side.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, no, I'm on. I'm on the mimbo trick.
Speaker 6: Because if if Membou's there at twelve one, I don't think.
Speaker 5: I think he's gonna go seven of the Jets and
Speaker 5: he's gonna have a great career in New York. But
Speaker 5: when it comes to the right side, you can upgrade
Speaker 5: your right side of your offices. You can totally upgrade.
Speaker 5: Now your left side. You're kind of working through some
Speaker 5: things with Tyler guid and he's gonna You've got one
Speaker 5: of the best guards in football right now and Tyler Smith,
Speaker 5: and you feel really comfortable up the middle with Cooper Phoebe.
Speaker 5: Anything you do to such a draft on that side,
Speaker 5: it's gonna move around a bunch of pieces.
Speaker 6: So if that's the case, then we're talking Mimbo Yep
Speaker 6: as the option.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, So that would.
Speaker 5: That would discredit Will Campbell, who I think is a
Speaker 5: hell of a player. That and you would have to
Speaker 5: move pieces around. You don't want to disrupt the same
Speaker 5: thing with Kelvin Banks. I mean, they're on the front
Speaker 5: of the draft magazine.
Speaker 6: Both of those guys. They're great players.
Speaker 5: But I don't know if I want to touch that
Speaker 5: left side hold on whereas the right side I can
Speaker 5: kind of make it happen.
Speaker 1: What happened to you guys about this running back thing?
Speaker 1: Where did I go that a conversation?
Speaker 4: I think they're going, well, Gent, I think genty is
Speaker 4: going because let.
Speaker 5: Me make it more abundantly clear, and this is this
Speaker 5: has been the case anyways, This has been the case
Speaker 5: from the get go. If Gent is available at twelve
Speaker 5: is not from which he will not.
Speaker 6: Be, he would be the pick.
Speaker 4: So like the reason of Hamilton usc is O Marionampton. Yeah, Hampton, Hampton,
Speaker 4: I like him a lot, a lot. The reason that
Speaker 4: we're not in this conversation, we're not bringing up Gent
Speaker 4: is because now we're having the conversation out of what
Speaker 4: we would do, which is what Kyle had posed to
Speaker 4: us over the past.
Speaker 1: Couple of episodes. Now it's what do we think they
Speaker 1: will do and how do we think the board is
Speaker 1: going to fall? Correct?
Speaker 4: So I think we're all in agreement that I don't
Speaker 4: think Gent makes it past number ten, which is where
Speaker 4: the Chicago Bear sit the past three.
Speaker 1: Right, So assuming Gent is not there talking about.
Speaker 4: Which you know likelihood he won't be, it's far more
Speaker 4: likely that Tet and or Matthew Golden are there at twelve.
Speaker 4: And then you combine that with the official thirty visits,
Speaker 4: the whispers and the conversations we're here and inside the building,
Speaker 4: they're really really leaning hard.
Speaker 1: Who's your three receiver set? If you get one of
Speaker 1: those guys.
Speaker 4: Well, well, so CD depends on Tet slash Golden. Who's
Speaker 4: your three?
Speaker 6: It would be CD Golden.
Speaker 4: Okay, So there's a hole, I mean, okay, that's all
Speaker 4: my point. That's my point to make sure that there
Speaker 4: is still there is still a hole in that position group, right, So.
Speaker 6: Don't you need to address it?
Speaker 1: More?
Speaker 12: So?
Speaker 6: Who's your set?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 4: I feel like Tobert can be a wide receiver three,
Speaker 4: and in that set, who's your slot, Well.
Speaker 6: You would be a mismatch or.
Speaker 4: So even if you do grab one of those there's
Speaker 4: highly acclaimed receivers, you still have something that you need
Speaker 4: to address it. Still you still don't feel you feel
Speaker 4: great with your two receivers set, but you still don't
Speaker 4: feel great with your three receiver set. If you grab
Speaker 4: one of those interior offensive linemen, if he's available at
Speaker 4: that number twelve spot, now you feel great about your
Speaker 4: offensive line.
Speaker 5: See, but I think your your point now is working
Speaker 5: against your original point. Says I can name our starting
Speaker 5: offensive lineman right now, as if we were to line
Speaker 5: up tomorrow and play. You can name the left tackle
Speaker 5: is Tyler Guidon, left guard is Smith, center is bb
Speaker 5: right guard's offering, and then right tackle is Terrence Steele.
Speaker 5: You can name your offensive line and you can win
Speaker 5: games with that offensive line.
Speaker 6: In my mind, you.
Speaker 1: Can win that one for you. Finish your point.
Speaker 5: But the wide receiver if you're asking me who's your
Speaker 5: wide receiver too at all?
Speaker 4: Listen if you're not got help it, if you got
Speaker 4: drafting them, you're trading for the guy that I'm talking about,
Speaker 4: or if you're looking for your third wide receiver, and
Speaker 4: for whatever reason, you don't have enough confidence in Jalen
Speaker 4: Tobert being that which I feel like Tobert can be
Speaker 4: a wide receiver. Okay, if you get a Tet or
Speaker 4: a Matthew Golden to tandem with CD Lamb and you
Speaker 4: want to wit receiver three, you have a name like
Speaker 4: Tyler Lockett, who's still out there in free agency, you'll
Speaker 4: get a VET. He just happened. He just happens to
Speaker 4: live in Prosper. Right, that's on top of that. So now,
Speaker 4: and your question was when I said told me, you're like, well,
Speaker 4: who's the slot? Tyler Lockett cann operate like it? So
Speaker 4: there you go get Tet or Golden and then you stir,
Speaker 4: you spend the block, and you go you drive down
Speaker 4: the Prosper and you have a sit down with Tyler
Speaker 4: Lockett and you say, come on with it.
Speaker 1: I don't disagree.
Speaker 4: Or you make sure that Dak can sit back there
Speaker 4: with that hamstring all day long and nobody's gonna get
Speaker 4: to him. And you can have Tyler Lockett, you have
Speaker 4: Cede Lamb, and you can go out there and have
Speaker 4: go Go Speed Razor.
Speaker 6: I love it. I do.
Speaker 5: I I'm always I am always fast receiver, drafting offensive
Speaker 5: lineman early, I am all for it. But in this case,
Speaker 5: this specific case, no, if it's anybody other than Membu,
Speaker 5: I'm drafting a receiver oka Membo or a tech. Membu's
Speaker 5: higher on my board, and I looked at for me.
Speaker 1: I want your response. I want my skilled player, my
Speaker 1: position player. I want.
Speaker 5: But why are we having this conversation Because Membo will
Speaker 5: not be you won't be there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but there's.
Speaker 5: Five guys that I that I'm very confident are not
Speaker 5: going to be there.
Speaker 1: If Ted is going, Golden isn't. If Golden is going.
Speaker 4: Ted isn't that I don't see both of them going
Speaker 4: off of the board.
Speaker 6: No, I bet you both are there. I bet you both, That's.
Speaker 1: What I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So then it's just then it goes to your point
Speaker 4: because both can separate, but Golden can separate better. But
Speaker 4: Ted has more size than you need a true X.
Speaker 4: So then it's just a matter of whichever you want,
Speaker 4: whichever you.
Speaker 6: Want, whatever you got.
Speaker 1: That's that's where I am, Isaiah, That's where I am.
Speaker 1: All right, I respect it.
Speaker 5: We got to take our second break when we come back.
Speaker 5: I want to ask you, if there's one position where
Speaker 5: you have to have a starter caliber player.
Speaker 6: Out of the draft, which one is it?
Speaker 5: You cannot leave without it if you're hope to win
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Speaker 10: I wasn't listening, honestly.
Speaker 6: No, no, no no.
Speaker 10: I disagree with Isaiah.
Speaker 15: I don't want Membo. I don't want an offensive line.
Speaker 15: We need skill positions. We need skill players because we
Speaker 15: need to make some plays. Buddy. I didn't articulate this
Speaker 15: as much as I wanted to last week, but I
Speaker 15: don't want another guy that's going to be a Ring
Speaker 15: of Honor guy. I want a super Bowl winner, if
Speaker 15: that makes sense. I need someone to win us some
Speaker 15: games and get us to the super Bowl. As much
Speaker 15: as it would it would great, be great to have
Speaker 15: a tenured player that did all he could. I don't
Speaker 15: want another guy in the ring without a ring.
Speaker 6: M okay, suit you the bar. That was a bar,
Speaker 6: But see how it turns out.
Speaker 5: I've got Membo higher on my board, and so I
Speaker 5: would take Membu. But Golden or Tet one of those
Speaker 5: two guys, I think that's the most likely to be
Speaker 5: a Dallas cowboy if I had to put my my
Speaker 5: bet in on the table now, which you can't.
Speaker 6: That's not monetary value.
Speaker 5: Is for fun switched up real quick on just for
Speaker 5: fun and happiness.
Speaker 6: It is.
Speaker 5: It would be Matthew Golden, like I think that's where
Speaker 5: they're leaning.
Speaker 6: But we'll see.
Speaker 10: But we talked about this a few days ago.
Speaker 15: This is off air, But isn't there a little redundancy
Speaker 15: there with Matthew Golden and CD and there's their assets
Speaker 15: And then I guess with Ted you're getting more of
Speaker 15: a possession guy taller.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're getting something different with both guys. You're getting
Speaker 5: another level of separation and speed that you don't have
Speaker 5: a four to two ninety. You don't have on the roster.
Speaker 5: Even a guy like Cavante Turpin might have a four
Speaker 5: to two forty, but it's still not going to show
Speaker 5: up the same way that Golden would at that size.
Speaker 5: So you're getting something in Golden just as much as
Speaker 5: you're getting something with Tech McMillan. Tech McMillan is the
Speaker 5: bigger X receiver that you don't have the contest to
Speaker 5: catch guy red zone guy that you're gonna throw the
Speaker 5: ball up to and have some success volleyball player one
Speaker 5: way or the other. Yeah, literal volleyball one way or
Speaker 5: the other. You're getting something new to your receiver corps
Speaker 5: where I think, if you're telling me I could have
Speaker 5: two CD Lambs, I'm gonna take two CD Lambs, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna be okay with that. You know, Luther Burden, I
Speaker 5: think is a more direct comparison the CD's skill set.
Speaker 6: Than Golden is.
Speaker 5: I think Golden's more And this is probably a lazy
Speaker 5: comp but it's true. It is more of an Xavier
Speaker 5: Worthy type player than CD Lamb in terms of his
Speaker 5: skill set.
Speaker 15: So does the redundency lie in a player like Brandon Cooks?
Speaker 15: Like can you kind of fit those two together Golden
Speaker 15: and Brandon Cooks in that they didn't have great chemistry
Speaker 15: CD and Brandon Cooks over the past few seasons. Granted,
Speaker 15: we don't know if the McCarthy offense was serving Brandon
Speaker 15: Cooks very well for sure of his tenure here.
Speaker 10: So I mean, is that.
Speaker 5: Have more faith that Golden skill set would translate at
Speaker 5: this point in time If we're talking Brandon Cooks when
Speaker 5: he was fresh in the league and was in New
Speaker 5: Orleans and he was putting up incredible numbers along the way.
Speaker 6: Then that's one thing.
Speaker 5: But we got Brandon Cooks in his age twenty nine,
Speaker 5: thirty and thirty one year old seasons. I know we're
Speaker 5: getting Matthew Golden as a twenty two year old fresh
Speaker 5: out of college and just ran a four two nine.
Speaker 6: I think I would have more confidence.
Speaker 1: In that kind.
Speaker 10: So the size doesn't bother you as much.
Speaker 4: That really okay, And I said this before before you
Speaker 4: put your Joe Hendry, I would go tet over Golden,
Speaker 4: just simply because I like complimentary game changers, right, So
Speaker 4: I mentioned, you know, Yesteryear, Terry Glenn and te O.
Speaker 4: We'll bring it to current tents and we'll go to
Speaker 4: the city of Philadelphia, AJ Brown, Devonte Smith. I like
Speaker 4: complimentary game breakers, right, So a compliment, a complimentary situation
Speaker 4: would be CD Lamb and Ted more so than CD
Speaker 4: Lamb and Golden. That's not the same out on Golden.
Speaker 4: If you've been paying attention to the show, then I'm
Speaker 4: in on Golden. Yeah, But as far as if they're
Speaker 4: both staring me right in the face, knowing that Golden
Speaker 4: has slightly better separation. But tech can separate. Also, you
Speaker 4: lose some size to Golden over Tet. I'm taking I'm
Speaker 4: taking Tet's physicality ability to high point. The ball plays
Speaker 4: with a little bit more violence at the point of attech.
Speaker 1: I'm taking that and compliment with See.
Speaker 6: I think teams are worried about the.
Speaker 1: Four forty was more than solid though when he four.
Speaker 6: Or five, it's that changed.
Speaker 1: Not terrible.
Speaker 5: It's not terrible, and you can have success. I mean,
Speaker 5: Mike Evans ran a four or five four right, you
Speaker 5: know what the ten yards was ten yards split, I
Speaker 5: can get it for you.
Speaker 1: That's really what matters. Everybody likes to have forties.
Speaker 4: But like people need to look at you right because
Speaker 4: burst right celebration. How can how fast do you get
Speaker 4: up the top speed tops? I mean the probability of
Speaker 4: you running for forty yards a lot of times like yeah,
Speaker 4: on the gold ball. But if you're a big receiver,
Speaker 4: you don't need to be a whole yard in front
Speaker 4: of somebody. You just need to have them have the
Speaker 4: edge on them right or be able to body him up,
Speaker 4: So that first ten yards is more important.
Speaker 10: How fast you think my forty is?
Speaker 6: His split was a.
Speaker 5: One five eight, so he ran a four five, three,
Speaker 5: one five eight.
Speaker 1: All right, what's golden? Do you have that?
Speaker 6: Four two nine one four seven?
Speaker 1: Okay, So we're talking about a tenth of a second
Speaker 1: exactly my point.
Speaker 5: In tenths in ten yards ten yards. That's that's a lot.
Speaker 5: A tenth of a second and ten yards?
Speaker 1: What trust me? Are you kidding? It's not a lot?
Speaker 6: I don't know, man.
Speaker 4: One literally you here in that person there, that's what
Speaker 4: a tenth of a second is. Well, you want to
Speaker 4: do a tent of a second on your on your
Speaker 4: stop watch.
Speaker 5: Okay, well, let me let me say this one one way,
Speaker 5: get your stop watching. No, no, no, no, I get what
Speaker 5: you're saying, But I'm talking about Matthew Golden's one four
Speaker 5: seven ten yard split would have him ranked number one
Speaker 5: out of the wide receiver group.
Speaker 6: Number one.
Speaker 5: You know where TEP McMillan would rank in terms of
Speaker 5: the wide receiver group, probably like late twenties. I don't
Speaker 5: have the exact number, but I'm reading.
Speaker 4: I just want to show the people, just want to
Speaker 4: show the people. Is that how fast it is?
Speaker 1: Yeah? He couldn't do it. I couldn't do it.
Speaker 4: He couldn't do that's over tenth and second, that's how
Speaker 4: much of a difference it is between them and there
Speaker 4: I think there's there's not like this.
Speaker 1: It's just really not right.
Speaker 4: But we le get into these numbers a lot, and
Speaker 4: we look at the analytics and we have to that's
Speaker 4: all we have to go off of right now. But
Speaker 4: when we start talking about that difference in speed, it's
Speaker 4: not you're the one that asked for this this I know.
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to show. That was my point.
Speaker 4: I wanted to prove the difference between Ted and Golden
Speaker 4: in that first ten yards is literally you can't even
Speaker 4: do it on your phone. Sure, I'm good with Golden,
Speaker 4: but I'm taking Ted over Golden if both.
Speaker 5: This year, I am too, But I'm just I'm telling
Speaker 5: you Golden is not a bad option because he gives
Speaker 5: you something different.
Speaker 10: No, and he might be the likely option.
Speaker 1: Okay, who's best in red zone might be? Huh, who's
Speaker 1: the best in red zone between.
Speaker 10: Kyle question?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can also be a jump ball situation, thank
Speaker 1: you very much. So.
Speaker 5: Ted had eight touchdowns and seven drops last year.
Speaker 10: Has Dak always been good at that jump all situation?
Speaker 13: Though?
Speaker 10: I'm serious.
Speaker 6: Golden had nine touchdowns.
Speaker 4: You're talking about players, and as much as I love
Speaker 4: guys like Jake catch the ball, Jake Luke, like some
Speaker 4: of those red zone I should have been touchdowns.
Speaker 10: I'm looking back to where he couldn't get it right with.
Speaker 1: Deaz No, no, that's yeah, but that was Ricky Day.
Speaker 10: I mean no, I mean his first three years he
Speaker 10: couldn't get it right.
Speaker 6: Ricky Dak was pretty good.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, but not with that with the jump
Speaker 1: balls out that back face.
Speaker 10: You know that was placing.
Speaker 1: That was it is romo thing that used to be
Speaker 1: my favorite battle throw.
Speaker 5: I think I would give Ted the red zone edge,
Speaker 5: but I would say Golden is not bad either, Like
Speaker 5: I think he's great at it too.
Speaker 10: But Ted obviously because of his size in the red zone.
Speaker 5: I also look because of his separation and the ability
Speaker 5: to catch over the middle.
Speaker 1: Of the traffic. You know who tested me and it
Speaker 1: reminds me of and you mentioned this Mike Evans. Mike Evans.
Speaker 1: He has a Mike Evans, but he doesn't watch film Man.
Speaker 6: Well that was an old video time Okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you were being I am very smart.
Speaker 4: You guys are saying to just report Ted is super
Speaker 4: physical and Matthew Golden doesn't like physicality based upon that's
Speaker 4: my con Yeah, not overly physical due to physical limitations
Speaker 4: and lack of bulk quinlan. He would prefer to not
Speaker 4: you don't want to go, so yeah, he preferred to
Speaker 4: not be pressed.
Speaker 1: Things like that.
Speaker 4: Ted is just like whatever, we're just getting CD to
Speaker 4: the is like whatever, little dude, we're just getting I mean,
Speaker 4: honestly right, we're just CD is just getting to the
Speaker 4: point of his career where he's like, Okay, I'm willing
Speaker 4: to physically put my hat in there and get after it.
Speaker 4: That was one of the knocks on CD. It was
Speaker 4: first couple of years. I like the physical cats. It's
Speaker 4: going to bully some some smaller corner by He's going
Speaker 4: to bully.
Speaker 1: I like that. I loved it.
Speaker 5: A couple of things here, Just to keep in mind,
Speaker 5: all right, one position that you have to leave with
Speaker 5: a starter, one position in one position only.
Speaker 6: Who are you going with?
Speaker 1: Offensive guards?
Speaker 6: Okay, so you want your right guard running back?
Speaker 5: Okay, you mean just in the draft in general? In
Speaker 5: general running back? Yeah, I think running back to It's
Speaker 5: kind of where I'm at.
Speaker 1: You have I like Hoffman.
Speaker 4: I like Hoffman, but if you have an opportunity to
Speaker 4: get somebody who is a doesn't come around. These guys
Speaker 4: that don't come around that often big boys up front.
Speaker 4: That's sure things. And then I'm sorry, but you're gonna
Speaker 4: there's guys that are always going to be trying to
Speaker 4: replace you, Hoffman. So just understand that it doesn't matter
Speaker 4: where you were drafted at, but especially if you're undrafted
Speaker 4: or a low draft pick, somebody's always organizations, whether it's
Speaker 4: the Cowboys or any other organization, they're going to bring
Speaker 4: in guys weekly to try to take your job. Your
Speaker 4: Your job is to make sure they don't get your job.
Speaker 4: So you're always gonna be looking over your shoulder. Youre
Speaker 4: always gonna trying to press forward the draft. You're gonna
Speaker 4: be it is what it is. If they bring in
Speaker 4: a big white compete, Yeah.
Speaker 15: I'm gonna agree with you in the fact that you
Speaker 15: can't have enough dogs that offensive line. Yeah you can't.
Speaker 15: You simply can't. I just hope it's in the later round.
Speaker 4: It's coveted. It's a coveted position. Like you're not getting
Speaker 4: rid of office a lineman. I mean, you saw Chicago
Speaker 4: just traded for some guys. But that's not normal. That
Speaker 4: guy's at the end of his career. Tony's at the
Speaker 4: end of his career. That's the reason why he got traded.
Speaker 6: They're desperate.
Speaker 1: You're not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you're not trading away interior offensive linemen in
Speaker 4: the prime in their careers or early in their careers.
Speaker 4: It just doesn't happen. If they can play, it doesn't happen.
Speaker 5: It just all goes back to can you line up today?
Speaker 5: And I don't think the running back situation, even though
Speaker 5: I do like the additions and the depth of Javonte Williams.
Speaker 1: And listen, I like both of those jokers.
Speaker 4: Behind a solid old line, both of them and dudes,
Speaker 4: both of them.
Speaker 1: I'm good. We'll see good good. What if?
Speaker 4: What if good ain't good enough? Listen, what a solid
Speaker 4: old line it is. That's what I'm trying to get it.
Speaker 4: All these running backs in this league are very capable.
Speaker 4: And I know there's been a conversation we've had before.
Speaker 1: Behind a beast old line.
Speaker 4: If I'm getting to the line of scrimmage and I
Speaker 4: haven't been touched as a running back in this league,
Speaker 4: whether I'm a big boy off as a line or
Speaker 4: whether I'm a scat back. I'm gonna do work. Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do work. But what happens when an assignment
Speaker 4: is missed? Blocking assignment DELAYE? Isn't that that's where the
Speaker 4: separating line becomes from a solid running back and.
Speaker 1: General it's just that you see it, you react before
Speaker 1: the other pieces fall in the place. That's where you
Speaker 1: get like the barrier.
Speaker 4: You might be able to name ten running backs in
Speaker 4: this league that can make guys miss in the backfield.
Speaker 4: Maybe Yeah, It's just it's not common. So if it's
Speaker 4: not that common, then I'm not banking on it. I'm
Speaker 4: banking on my old line creating holes. Unless you have
Speaker 4: a shot in that respective year's draft at getting a
Speaker 4: guy who's gone, who has division ability clickness. I like,
Speaker 4: I like you and see I like I like Hampton.
Speaker 4: I like Hampton a lot. I like how angry he runs.
Speaker 4: But I'm a that's the type of guy.
Speaker 6: I remember.
Speaker 1: Oh I'm taking member, I'll do yeah, But I like them.
Speaker 6: I like physical.
Speaker 4: You remember I played with Mariam, I played with Marion Barber. Like,
Speaker 4: we got somebody who's physical, like I like that. We
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