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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 2: I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 3: We wanted to do something that highlighted our.

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Speaker 2: Relationships and what it's like to be siblings. We are

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Speaker 2: a sibling, Railvalry.

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Speaker 1: No, no, sibling. You don't do that with your mouth, Revelry.

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Speaker 3: That's good. I am sitting here all by myself because

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Speaker 3: Oliver's late, apparently he had to get gas. So I

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Speaker 3: am going to be a good sister, and I'm going

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Speaker 3: to start this early so we're on time so we

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Speaker 3: don't leave the wonderful Gavin de Gras waiting for too

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Speaker 3: long and I can't wait to talk to him, so,

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Speaker 3: you know, fuck Ollie, let's go. Gavin. Hi. Hi, it's

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Speaker 3: so nice to see.

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Speaker 4: You, see you. You and I were at a party

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Speaker 4: apparently at the same time, but we did not meet

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Speaker 4: at that time.

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Speaker 3: Which party, Oh, at the at the Christmas.

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Speaker 4: Party, Johan Carlson at the Yes.

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Speaker 3: So we have a very close mutual friend, Johann Carlson,

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Speaker 3: who is a wonderful writer and music producer. Right, and

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Speaker 3: you've have you worked with Johan?

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Speaker 4: You've many times?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you weren't at his fortieth We had a

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Speaker 3: wild fortieth I saw you on the on the birthday message.

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Speaker 4: Yes, oh yeah, I'm sorry I missed the party.

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Speaker 3: It was it was so much fun. You missed a

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Speaker 3: really good party.

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Speaker 4: I really wanted to. I had work that landed right

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Speaker 4: on the day of the party day. I know. No,

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Speaker 4: it's sometimes.

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Speaker 3: Well align it wasn't really like a normal party. I

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Speaker 3: mean we were talking a South of France bash.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, it's not fair. Yeah, you really like,

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Speaker 4: Oh god.

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Speaker 3: Those are the ones you try to make.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm telling you, I'm telling you. No, the few

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Speaker 4: that I've missed, I missed another one. You know, because

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Speaker 4: you always hear about some amazing like you know, you

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Speaker 4: get invited to weird stuff.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: This didn't used to happen to me when I was

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Speaker 4: living in a prison town. But when I got out

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Speaker 4: of my prison town, I got invited the cool stuff.

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Speaker 3: Well, but we're going to unpack that, Kevin.

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Speaker 4: It should Yes, good, there's a lot. So I got

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Speaker 4: invited to this party last year, and again I had

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Speaker 4: work on the exact day this party, and here was

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Speaker 4: the party. Okay, so here was the party. Here's a

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Speaker 4: party that I'm still upset that I missed this particular event.

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Speaker 4: It was a I think it was a Halloween party

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Speaker 4: at the original castle grounds of Vladdi Impaler, Count Dracula

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Speaker 4: stop it. Yes, and like, I can't believe I'm going

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Speaker 4: to miss this thing.

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Speaker 3: Wait in like Transylvania.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, it was like the most outrageous Wow.

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Speaker 3: Who threw that party? I can't say, I mean clearly yes,

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Speaker 3: So of course.

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Speaker 4: The guy who invited me. You know, I won't say

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Speaker 4: whose party, I can't say his party it was, but

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Speaker 4: I can say I think what makes it even more

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Speaker 4: interesting and more mysterious is that the guy who invited me,

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Speaker 4: of course, is a magician, like the kind of guy

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Speaker 4: who stands in front of you who you know you've

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Speaker 4: never met before, or yeah, and you know what he

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Speaker 4: did to me? And here's how I knew he was real.

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Speaker 4: Oh oh, never met the man. This is a few

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Speaker 4: years ago. I was at another really interesting, really interesting

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Speaker 4: invite and it's for first time I met him, and

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Speaker 4: I said, how do I know if your magic is real?

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Speaker 4: And he goes, well, have we ever met before? I

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Speaker 4: said no? And he said do I have any ear

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Speaker 4: pieces in or anything like that? And I was like,

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Speaker 4: can I look? He said, yeah, I have a look,

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Speaker 4: you don't have a look. And he said, do you

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Speaker 4: need proof that my magic is real? I said, I

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Speaker 4: need proof that your magic is really h of course,

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Speaker 4: And he then proceeded to tell me number by number,

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Speaker 4: my phone number. To me.

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Speaker 3: What he.

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Speaker 4: Walked me off.

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Speaker 3: And well he could have like known people that know

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Speaker 3: you and then like memorized everybody's fine.

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Speaker 4: I don't know. There was only one person there who

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Speaker 4: knew me. Yeah, that's weird, like knew me, knew me.

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Speaker 3: But did he guess it through a series of yes

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Speaker 4: He did not give me a yes or no other

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Speaker 4: than not if this is the right number, And he

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Speaker 4: And I was that's crazy, mesmerized and terrified.

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Speaker 3: I always want to know, like what what is that really?

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Speaker 3: Like there's something, there's some calculation. It can't just be

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Speaker 3: like by the way, And I love psychics, like I'm

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Speaker 3: all for psychics. I'm all for people who are like, listen,

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Speaker 3: your next five years are going to be amazing. You're

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Speaker 3: gonna make a ton of money. Your family's super healthy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, give me some more money.

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Speaker 3: And I love those I love those, okay, and I

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Speaker 3: and I choose to believe in it. But oh, there

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Speaker 3: he is. I started without you. Here's Oliver say.

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Speaker 4: Hi, Oh hello Oliver.

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Speaker 2: How are you? My man? How are you? How are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry. He almost ran out of gas, so I

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Speaker 2: had to like get gas.

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Speaker 3: Speaking of which, that's a whole other thing about Oliver's truck.

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Speaker 3: Ali is a truck that broke down on the way

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Speaker 3: to on the way to Colorado to summer. We were

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Speaker 3: just we just got back.

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Speaker 4: Oh wait, so did he break down because you also

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Speaker 4: ran out of gas then too?

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Speaker 2: No, but I run out of gap twice in my life. No,

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Speaker 2: in your life. Well, so I was working in Albuquerque, okay,

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Speaker 2: and I had to get to set, and it was

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Speaker 2: early in the morning. I was like, fuck, dude, like,

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna make it, but I think I can.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be late, I'm gonna go not gonna make it.

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Speaker 2: On the freeway, I run out of gas and now

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Speaker 2: I pull over the shoulder on the right hand side,

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Speaker 2: and it was I thought I was gonna die. And

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Speaker 2: there's like a thousand cars. I don't know what I'm doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm calling production. Yeah, all of a sudden, this car

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Speaker 2: pulls up behind me. Yeah, like what do you need?

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Speaker 2: I'm like gas? He's like all right, hold.

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Speaker 3: On, talk about totally.

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Speaker 4: Did you know your phone number? No?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I was like, who are you?

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Speaker 3: And apparently it was like George Byrne.

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Speaker 4: And apparently they.

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Speaker 2: Have this like Good Samaritan cars that roll around and

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Speaker 2: see if people need ship. Yeah, that's nute. It was

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Speaker 2: interesting just.

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Speaker 4: In New Mexico.

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Speaker 2: This was in Albuquerque.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I want to hire a Good Samaritan in

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Speaker 3: my house.

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Speaker 4: Good idea.

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Speaker 3: You know, that's the title. The title is.

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Speaker 2: I like that. I think there's something.

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Speaker 3: Someone who's always there to be like do you are

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Speaker 3: you too right? What do you need?

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Speaker 2: Then it turns into a horror film, of course.

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Speaker 4: But Good Samaritan is supposed to be free.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's like that is kind of cable guy

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Speaker 2: is we could do? It's called the Good Samaritan. That

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Speaker 2: sounds like it's horror. Oh.

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Speaker 4: I like this idea.

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Speaker 3: We're going to work on that after this.

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Speaker 2: Wait.

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Speaker 4: Wait, so so you ran out of gas one time?

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Speaker 4: There was that the first time ever?

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Speaker 2: No, that was the third time ran in Melburn once.

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Speaker 2: I just I get I get cocky. You know what

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Speaker 2: I mean. I get, But what.

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Speaker 3: Happened I get greedy on your way to Aspen was

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Speaker 3: he had his truck. Yeah, and then and it just

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Speaker 3: like blew up. It was about to blow up. His

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Speaker 3: engine was going to blow up. It's a diesel truck.

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Speaker 3: I guess something happened.

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Speaker 2: But the problem is is, yes, don't don't do a

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Speaker 2: whole I'm not getting into play. Give us the elevator,

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Speaker 2: G E P A. You know what they've got to

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Speaker 2: do for small Are.

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Speaker 4: You talking about the death the desolately?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the DF he has the death. But but the

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Speaker 2: way that the exhaust is created. Now, I learned a

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Speaker 2: ton basically because of emissions and how how the restrictions

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Speaker 2: on emissions and how strict they are. Shit has to

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Speaker 2: get done. You know the diesel trucks are all jacked

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Speaker 2: up now. It's happening all the time.

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Speaker 4: Yes, by an older truck.

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Speaker 2: You got buy a truck.

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Speaker 4: We could talk about that all day because I think

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Speaker 4: death is a bunch of bullshit.

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Speaker 3: It is there we go, don't kick cabin I started.

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Speaker 2: I can't stand it.

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Speaker 4: You know what it is, I'll tell you what it is.

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Speaker 4: It's another tax broke that's all it is. And anybody

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Speaker 4: guy's a diesel knows exactly what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you.

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Speaker 4: Next fifteen or thirty bucks a month duty, that's yep,

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Speaker 4: it is.

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Speaker 2: One million percent. I'm thinking about turning, trading my truck

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Speaker 2: in for like a gas truck, or.

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Speaker 4: Just get an older diesel man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, I found him like face down in the field

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Speaker 3: and asked been crying. After he found out how much

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Speaker 3: it was gonna be, he was like, oh my thought

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Speaker 3: it was ten thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: The guy cut off.

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Speaker 3: The guy gave me so nice I loved him.

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Speaker 2: His name is a diesel doc fix.

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Speaker 4: What was the ten thousand dollar fix on this thing?

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Speaker 2: Well, labor was insane.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they had to go like a hundred miles.

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Speaker 2: I forget about as the part that we had to find.

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Speaker 2: It's called the DFC, you know, because there's the there's

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Speaker 2: the doc, there's the DFC. The part was on back

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Speaker 2: order till December, so he had to source it in

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Speaker 2: different states. Finally found one, and you know, he had

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Speaker 2: to take the bed of my truck out to get

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Speaker 2: into the gas tank and to take the whole exhausted.

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Speaker 3: I don't understand. This is a brand new How could that?

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Speaker 2: I said, I said, is this do you see this

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Speaker 2: a lot? He goes, oh yeah yeah with these new diesels?

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Speaker 2: You know. And this guy is the man. He is

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Speaker 2: DURAMAC certified, he's the ship.

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Speaker 4: Isn't it so fucked up that it's easier to get

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Speaker 4: It's easier for the public to buy a bag of

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Speaker 4: weed than a manufactured part from a Chevy uh plant.

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Speaker 2: It's United States.

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Speaker 4: Now, that's pretty weird.

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Speaker 2: It's insane. It's so too.

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Speaker 4: You're like, that's cool, but my buddy needs a bag

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Speaker 4: of weed.

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Speaker 2: Can we get that? Yeah? Bro?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah yeah, something that can like grow in your backyard.

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Speaker 2: And the problem is, I mean, you know, it's it's

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Speaker 2: a it's all a fun, it's all a racket, dude,

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Speaker 2: It's all about.

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Speaker 4: The whole thing. Absolutely, you and I certainly we you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was because I because I road trip NonStop. Man.

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Speaker 4: Please?

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Speaker 2: Do I want to buy a smart cars?

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Speaker 4: Like?

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Speaker 2: I didn't tell because I have a boat and a trailer.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's got the it's got the torque.

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Speaker 4: I kind of float around, which is odd for people

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Speaker 4: I uh, I I like to be mobile.

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Speaker 4: I have kids, I just don't ever want to see them.

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Speaker 4: I don't have kids, No, I have. I have a dog.

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Speaker 4: I have a dog. He's my you know, that's my

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Speaker 3: And so that's your baby.

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Speaker 2: So what's the longest time you've worn the same underwear

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Speaker 2: No? No, no, no, no, no no no wash. It's

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Speaker 2: like you just just live in a marinate them for

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Speaker 4: Whoever say anything about underwear, bro, I'm good. No, no,

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Speaker 4: I have don't get me wrong, I have what I need.

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Speaker 3: I need to have this conversation.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, we do need to have this conversation.

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Speaker 3: I don't need to be a part of it.

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Speaker 2: I only change my underwear when I shower. That's it.

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Speaker 2: After I shower, So sometimes I don't shower that five days.

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Speaker 4: Let me let me ask you when you when you

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Speaker 3: I do that every time I shower.

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Speaker 2: That's a good idea.

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Speaker 3: I actually wear my undies into the shower every time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's the move I do. You know, do

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to add on to this, you know.

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Speaker 3: I just recently did this thing where I was like, actually,

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Speaker 4: And it was why bother the best? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like that, So did you end up with.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it was awesome. I was so happy and Dan

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Speaker 4: I'm into it.

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Speaker 3: But you had stage clothes.

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Speaker 4: No, that was my stage clothes. That was a little thing.

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Speaker 4: I was like, you know, people aren't coming to my

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well it's the nature of you and

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Speaker 2: I like outfits, ye mean, it's authentic to you. Gavin

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Speaker 2: He looked, yeah, well yeah, yeah, the costume gotta be careful,

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Speaker 2: a belt buckle that shaped like a dick? Do you

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Speaker 3: My god?

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Speaker 2: Who is it? Who on the scene? Who in your world?

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Speaker 2: And your genre of music is actually like the most

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Speaker 3: There have so many out like.

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Speaker 4: Dora or like one of those Nashville kind of hats

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Speaker 4: a little while and then it was too much luggage

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Speaker 4: for me because I wasn't going to get a hat box. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: one of those big fucking hats on the plane because

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Speaker 2: Then wherever then where you pay your right? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: You just like, you know, all hat and no cattle

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Speaker 4: you doing? You're sitting on the Southwest flight with a

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Speaker 3: I'll never forget walking. I was twenty one and went

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Speaker 2: I wore.

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Speaker 3: You know what, it was a vintage like seventies hat

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, you looked like that, like the pimp

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Speaker 4: from I'm Going to Get You.

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Speaker 2: Yet I was.

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Speaker 3: I was literally like the biggest.

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Speaker 3: First of all, I was on the same concord. Bowie

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Speaker 2: He liked it.

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Speaker 3: He liked it, but everyone else hated it. And I

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Speaker 2: Where are you right now? I know you probably already

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Speaker 4: I'm in New York. I've got a We're doing a

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Speaker 3: Let's back up, we got what went right into these.

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Speaker 2: But let's that's the backup.

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Speaker 3: I am the back I always speaking of.

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Speaker 2: I don't back up. And when I say that, I

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Speaker 4: You know what I say forward, I only go forward.

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Speaker 4: I run out of gas.

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Speaker 2: I'm not going to turn around to get off and

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Speaker 2: go back, like we'll find the next one, even if

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Speaker 2: it's sixteen miles down the road.

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Speaker 3: Well not if you're in that long stretch between like.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, that's going to call it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, No, No, that's seventy five miles stretch.

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Speaker 2: I don't like going back.

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Speaker 3: I want to go back. Where did you grow up?

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Speaker 4: From? A town in the Catskill Mountains in upstate New York.

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Speaker 4: I got to get out of here, you.

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Speaker 3: Know how far from the city.

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Speaker 4: It's about an hour and forty five minutes from New

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know this, but it was all of those

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Speaker 2: How big of a place is it? Is it small

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Speaker 4: Well, I graduated with eighty people.

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Speaker 3: Right, And and your father was a prison guard.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my dad was a guard, My uncle was a guard.

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Speaker 4: My other uncle did prison psych and uh, yeah, it's

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Speaker 4: just it's just a that's the economy, you know.

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Speaker 4: That never, that never would have crossed my mind, you know,

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Speaker 4: It was just, you know, they didn't leave the area

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Speaker 4: It's better off. And the thinking is, you know, we

445
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 4: had a very tribal sort of our family is really tribal,

446
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,159
Speaker 4: and that we had a lot of a lot of

447
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,959
Speaker 4: family members. We all spend a lot of time together,

448
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 4: family reunions, you know, and it's very familiar, familial. So

449
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 4: it wasn't about going and chasing money in a new town.

450
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,439
Speaker 4: It was more about the family's going to stay together regardless. Yeah, sure,

451
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 4: you know, we're everybody has money problems, but it's more

452
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 4: important that the family be together, and.

453
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 5: That was the that was the driver family, meaning even

454
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:52,640
Speaker 5: like aunts, uncles, cousins, like, oh yeah, right, as I'm saying,

455
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 5: like big extended families are going to stay together.

456
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 4: Oh yeah yeah. And I've got a family in other

457
00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 4: parts of the country, but you know, there's a lot

458
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 4: of family in upstate.

459
00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 3: So and what about your siblings? How many siblings?

460
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 4: I have two? My sister lives in Nashville. My brother

461
00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 4: lives in Nashville. That's I mean, that's what we're all

462
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 4: based out of. Oh, great, sister's the oldest. I'm the baby,

463
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:15,879
Speaker 4: if you could tell by my diaper.

464
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:22,000
Speaker 3: But but yeah, are you and are you all super close?

465
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, you we're close.

466
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,919
Speaker 3: And your mom? What did your mom do?

467
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:33,640
Speaker 4: My mom was a nurse, and she she was a

468
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 4: well she was an iran and then she was a

469
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 4: nurse practitioner. Her last job was she was a nurse

470
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 4: practitioner for a drug and alcohol detox. So I guess

471
00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 4: there was a good part of all of this, which

472
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,880
Speaker 4: was no matter what I did, it wasn't quite as

473
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 4: bad as what my parents were around at all times. Now,

474
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 4: as my dad was watching, I don't know if you've

475
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 4: ever heard Son of Sam. Yeah, Dad watched Son of

476
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 4: Sam every day. And Willie Buyt Skid and Ronnie the

477
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 4: Fay player like guys were like in the in the prison,

478
00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 4: you know, that was his day jobs. He'd clock out

479
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,760
Speaker 4: and he'd come home and I didn't have a curfew,

480
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,280
Speaker 4: you know. Uh. It was just they were pretty loose

481
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 4: in that in that regard because it was just compared

482
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 4: to what they were seeing, nothing was a big deal.

483
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,040
Speaker 3: Right, well he's not he's not the Son of Sam, so.

484
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,000
Speaker 4: Right, he's not killing anybody, and you know, and and

485
00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,840
Speaker 4: we don't think he's doing heroin, so you know, and

486
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 4: that was really the that was pretty much the you know,

487
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 4: the the comparison. And you know, I was only told

488
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 4: all I was told when I was go out, all

489
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 4: I was told I would to go out as a

490
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 4: teenager was don't make me sorry. That was it. You know,

491
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:48,680
Speaker 4: it wasn't it wasn't come home at eleven, It wasn't

492
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 4: you know, don't drugs. It was don't make me sorry.

493
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 4: That was That was it. That was the whole That

494
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 4: was the whole thing. So they're they're pretty loose in

495
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,720
Speaker 4: that regard, and they and they love music, and they

496
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 4: both really fundamentally were artistic and artists. You know, they

497
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 4: were at Woodstock together. My dad played in bands for

498
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 4: you know, twenty twenty years and.

499
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,120
Speaker 3: Oh really, what instrument did he play?

500
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,880
Speaker 4: He played guitar and he sang, but he could sit

501
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 4: down and play the piano. I mean, he was just

502
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 4: good at stuff. And my granddad played everything. You know.

503
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 4: We just a lot of music in the family. And

504
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 4: my mom would play church and write songs and play

505
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 4: piano and guitar and sing and and and so I

506
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,919
Speaker 4: came from this family of people who loved the arts,

507
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,600
Speaker 4: you know, on both sides. My great granddad was the

508
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 4: dance instructor at a hotel in the Catskills, and he

509
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 4: would make kids give dance lessons to the guests.

510
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,160
Speaker 2: You know, he's like Patrick Swayzey.

511
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 4: He was Patrick Y, right exactly. We all wish, right. So,

512
00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,440
Speaker 4: so yeah, that was his that was his gig. And

513
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 4: and and I always and I was told that there

514
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 4: was a really funny story as to how that side

515
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 4: of the family ended up in upstate New York from

516
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 4: the city because they were they were Brooklyn Nights, you know,

517
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 4: they were from Brighton, from Brighton beach and uh, and

518
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 4: all my grandmother told me was, I don't know why,

519
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 4: but for whatever reason, when I was thirteen years old,

520
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 4: my father came home in the middle of the night

521
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 4: and said, you have five minutes, everybody to pack your

522
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 4: shit and were leaving. Oh and they fled Brooklyn and

523
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,400
Speaker 4: moved to the cat Skills in the middle of the night.

524
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 4: And she said he never talked about it, and we

525
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 4: didn't ask questions, and that's how.

526
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 3: Are you Italian? No Irish?

527
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:51,679
Speaker 4: That side of the family was Russian Jews and yeah,

528
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 4: and uh.

529
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm wait wait still to this day, no one

530
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 2: knows we got it.

531
00:26:56,440 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I knew that her brother was

532
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 4: a was a professional fighter, and uh, his name was

533
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 4: Bobby Burns, and I think he I don't know, he

534
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:08,400
Speaker 4: may have been doing something.

535
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 2: And whatever, whatever it was, someone got mixed up in

536
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 2: some yeah.

537
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's at that side of the family ended

538
00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 4: up in upstate New York. And and but I don't know,

539
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 4: you know, wow.

540
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 3: Don't you love don't you love family? Like the lore

541
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 3: like we have so much of that in ours. Sure, yeah,

542
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 3: we we just found out that another thing, I know.

543
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:32,919
Speaker 3: We don't want to talk about it.

544
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 2: That's not even real.

545
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 3: It's no typical not our dad apparently now there's no

546
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,280
Speaker 3: which I think he's gotta be kidding.

547
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,160
Speaker 4: It's going to be dad sense of.

548
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,760
Speaker 2: Humor, because yeah, our father has a very like.

549
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 3: That's kind of his sense of well, but maybe he's

550
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: not a lot.

551
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 4: Maybe he's been holding back on that.

552
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 2: I guess.

553
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 3: I mean, we do all right, well, yes, we are

554
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 3: all very intensely.

555
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 2: We also are supposedly related to uh big Seleerno.

556
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 3: I think I think that's I think that's that's seemingly really.

557
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: Out of the Jena basic crime family.

558
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 3: You know, that's definitely. I mean I had someone who

559
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 3: just came out of jail one time. This guy he

560
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 3: was a mafia guy and he sort of had to

561
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 3: serve like eight years or something. He came out and

562
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,919
Speaker 3: I ran into him at a restaurant. He goes and

563
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 3: I know you. He goes, I know your family, and

564
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 3: I was like what He's like, yeah, I know your family.

565
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 4: From jail or somewhere Italy jail.

566
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 3: So yeah, we're like, that's nice. Bye. And we were

567
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 3: at crossroads at the Vegan Place.

568
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 4: Yeah. Man, hey, the dynamics are there, you know it

569
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 4: reminds you. And there's a like, it's likely that there

570
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 4: is some truth to all of it because the world

571
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 4: is small. We're all related a little bit.

572
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 3: So does your sister. I know your brother plays music.

573
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 3: Does your sister play?

574
00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:18,200
Speaker 4: So I didn't play music.

575
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 6: She was.

576
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 4: She was primarily a visual artist, like you know, that

577
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 4: was her passion. That's not what she's like doing doing,

578
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 4: but that was her her skill set, you know. Really

579
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 4: her thing was being a visual artist, which she was

580
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 4: really gifted at. He wasn't a singer for but for

581
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 4: whatever reason, she couldn't help it. Singing thirds perfect thirds

582
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 4: were funny. It was always a perfect third. We're like,

583
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 4: this is.

584
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: You know naturally that was her thing. You know.

585
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: That's so interesting.

586
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:53,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, and she uh and her her stories, you know,

587
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 4: this family story is all it's all kind of wild

588
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 4: stuff too because we found out, you know, that her father,

589
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 4: her biological father, was different than mine. So my father adopted.

590
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 4: My father and mother were high school sweethearts. He got

591
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 4: drafted for Vietnam. My mother went off to Boston College

592
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 4: and then met another guy. You know. My dad was

593
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 4: in the army and then had my sister. But but

594
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 4: my father married her when my sister was six months old.

595
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 4: So that's the only father my sister knew. And in

596
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 4: later life, just a couple of years back, you know,

597
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 4: she she really found out more about the biological father,

598
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 4: and he was he had recently passed, and she found

599
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 4: like she found another sibling, a sister, you know, half sister,

600
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 4: and found out the guy was in a biker gang.

601
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,720
Speaker 4: You know, he was like, you know, he died like,

602
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 4: you know, seventy years old as a as a biker

603
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 4: you know, and so yeah, it was just like all

604
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 4: this the stuff.

605
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,840
Speaker 2: You know, Wait, when when when your dad went to Vietnam?

606
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 4: Was your mom? No, my dad was drafted for Vietnam

607
00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 4: and ended up fortunately ended up stationed in Germany, and

608
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 4: my brother way my father. So which is why my

609
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 4: father would tell me, hey, Gavi, and you know, you're

610
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 4: a really good singer. I say, thanks, Dad, He goes,

611
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 4: you know, I got good singers all over Germany.

612
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: It sounds like our father did they break, did they break?

613
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: Did they break up like when he went to Germany?

614
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 4: No, they they yeah, they got Yeah, they were separated,

615
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 4: they were separated. But then you know, my assumption is,

616
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 4: you know, right, right, and.

617
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 2: Then you met someone and whatever, and then they got

618
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:46,959
Speaker 2: back together.

619
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 4: When he got home, she was being a hippie and

620
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 4: you know, he was carrying an M sixteen, you know,

621
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 4: so that you know, yeah, I was.

622
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 3: That was very of the time.

623
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 2: My father in law.

624
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 3: There was a lot of guys in the ms with

625
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 3: her carrying was that were hippies too, right.

626
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.

627
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 2: That's my father in law was in Germany, got drafts,

628
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 2: went to Germany. It was an MP.

629
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 4: Well there you go as well.

630
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it only is the best father in law ever.

631
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 4: Oh really, Oh that's cool, good back, that's cool. And

632
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 4: what's funny is both my folks really were hippies. In fact,

633
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 4: my dad told me, he said, I was at Woodstock

634
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 4: with your mother and I had my draft card in

635
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 4: my back pocket for Vietnam, and I was leaving after

636
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 4: the weekend. And so because I grew up only twenty

637
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five minutes from the original Woodstock site from

638
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 4: from Bethel, that's that's where we would, you know, as teenagers,

639
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 4: we go out there and have drum circles and you know,

640
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 4: and fuck all and you know, have fun. You know,

641
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 4: I lost my cherry on that field myself, so you know,

642
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 4: it's just a make sure of you know, the area

643
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 4: at the time, you know. And but my dad told

644
00:32:59,920 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 4: me this fucking great story about about being at at

645
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 4: woods the Woodstock festival at the time. He said, you know,

646
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 4: he was no business man, he said. So I went

647
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 4: there and I had I had driven my my family's

648
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 4: dump truck to the property. I had carpeted the back

649
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 4: of it because they had a small construction business and

650
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 4: which was always in failure, right, and uh so, like

651
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 4: carpeted the back of this dump truck. So I was like, well,

652
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 4: fucking hang out there, you know, me and my friends

653
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 4: and will party. And but I had brought a bunch

654
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 4: of records to sell it Woodstock. Terrible idea, like I

655
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 4: should have sold watermelon. It's like Charlie Wiener, that was

656
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 4: a good idea. So anyway, he said, Papa Tent and

657
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 4: me and my buddy I think his name is Rubinstein

658
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 4: were standing out there and we got these records, and

659
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 4: he said, I got my back to the to the

660
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:58,239
Speaker 4: to the the tables, and apparently this guy went up

661
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 4: to my companion and he was a biker, and he said, oh,

662
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 4: this looks good. I think I'll take this, and he

663
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,280
Speaker 4: was staring at a ball, you know, kind of a

664
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,479
Speaker 4: record a biker would never buy. It's like a Joan

665
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 4: Baiez record, right, And he goes, oh, this looks good.

666
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 4: I think I'll take this. And he's being like really brawny,

667
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 4: you know, and he goes, oh, okay, but you know

668
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 4: it's it's six dollars or whatever.

669
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 3: You know.

670
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 4: He goes, no, I think I'll just take it. So

671
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 4: he goes over. So the guy who is with my

672
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 4: father walks over to my daddy says, hey, Wayne, Wayne.

673
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 4: And my dad had a great name was John Wayne

674
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 4: to grow of course, and he went by Wayne, amazing name.

675
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 4: And he goes, Wayne, Wayne, that this guy, he really

676
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 4: he's being threatening and he wants the record. He wants

677
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,839
Speaker 4: to take this record out. I don't think he wants

678
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 4: to pay for it. He said, well, he's got to

679
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 4: pay like everybody else. He does. But Wayne, Wayne, he's

680
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 4: a biker. He's a biker. Tell him he's got to

681
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 4: pay like everybody fucking else. But Wayne, he's in the gang.

682
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 4: He's in the gang.

683
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 2: I don't give he.

684
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 4: Said, tell him he's gonna pay like everybody else. My

685
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 4: dad a terribly, terribly hot temper, and so he goes,

686
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 4: but Wayne, she don't even know the name of the gang.

687
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 4: And he goes, what's the name of the gang? And

688
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 4: he goes, Wayne, they're called the motherfuckers.

689
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 7: My dad goes, what he goes, motherfuckers, Wayne, the motherfuckers,

690
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 7: my dad said, He goes, I turned around, I went,

691
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 7: you're gonna love that record.

692
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 3: Well, oh my god.

693
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 2: That's funny, dude, the motherfucker.

694
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 4: And you could have I mean, nineteen sixty nine, that

695
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 4: language is that much more like well.

696
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're called the mother

697
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 2: fuckers in nineteen sixty nine. You just step away. You know,

698
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna start a gang called the motherfuckers.

699
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 3: Jesus, what do you do. You're like, here's the record exactly.

700
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're really fantasy love that record, right, Give my regards,

701
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 2: Give my regards to the motherfuckers.

702
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 4: Tell the rest of those motherfuckers anything, Tell the rest

703
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 4: of those motherfuckers any simon that they want to hear

704
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 4: the right.

705
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 2: That's so funny.

706
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,439
Speaker 3: So you get into music, your brother, like, how when

707
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 3: was the moment that you were like, oh, this is

708
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 3: just what I want to do always and forever. This

709
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 3: is it.

710
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,959
Speaker 4: When did I make the decision to like, I.

711
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 3: Can't see myself wanting to do anything other than me. Yeah.

712
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 4: Well I loved it, of course, you know, I was

713
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 4: a kid. I was my dad's My dad put it,

714
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 4: he was like, man, you were singing in the cradle

715
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 4: gab before he could talk. You were singing. And my

716
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 4: brother thought I had a singing disease. He actually asked

717
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 4: my uncle Richie if he thought it was possible to

718
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 4: have a disease of singing, because I wouldn't shut the

719
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 4: fuck up. All right, So, so we we had a

720
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 4: for Christmas one year, we had a our gift as

721
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 4: a family was we'd all go to a concert. And

722
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 4: that concert was a Billie Joel concert. And I was fifteen,

723
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 4: and uh, and of course I was already, you know,

724
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 4: playing music, and I already took music seriously, and I

725
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 4: was enjoying myself. But I thought playing music was a

726
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 4: selfish way to make a living. And part of that

727
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 4: is probably because we grew up in the church so heavily,

728
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 4: I mean really really deep in the church, almost almost

729
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 4: like a coltish level. Like we went to church at

730
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 4: the American Legion every Sunday, right, So, so it was

731
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 4: it was like heavy, you know, it was post hippie chapter.

732
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 3: H church, right, and the church was so like Christian, like.

733
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, like n again. And by the way, I'm

734
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 4: happy I did all that stuff because it was you know,

735
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 4: it's foundation pretty interesting, you know, it's where you're coming from.

736
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 4: So and I still have I still have a degree

737
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 4: of faith, and I and I still have the same

738
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 4: struggles with faith and just like everybody else and and

739
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 4: and it's all a jumping off point and so anyway,

740
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 4: but I did think playing music for a living may

741
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 4: have been a selfish path, right, and it probably had

742
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,959
Speaker 4: a lot to do with the constant, uh, the church

743
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 4: teachings you know of like you know, service and Jesus

744
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 4: and you know, helping people and things like that. So

745
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 4: I thought maybe playing music wasn't going to help enough people, right.

746
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,439
Speaker 4: So you know what I want to make the blind see,

747
00:38:57,520 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 4: I want to be an ophthalmologist. I want to I

748
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 4: want to be as I want to be an eye doctor.

749
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah blah blah. A child, a child's desire

750
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,839
Speaker 4: to you know, fulfill this wish list, right. But when

751
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 4: I saw Billy Joel play a show, and I saw

752
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 4: the reaction of people around me who I'd never met before,

753
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 4: and I saw what was happening to them. You know,

754
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:26,840
Speaker 4: it was so emotional watching them receive joy in a

755
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 4: group setting. That's the first time it dawned on me

756
00:39:30,200 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 4: that music really helps people in a very particular way.

757
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 4: It's not going to heal people. But I thought, wow,

758
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,760
Speaker 4: this is actually, this is a this is a service.

759
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 4: And he he obviously loves doing it. I love doing it.

760
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 4: This is what I can I can do this like this.

761
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 4: Actually this would be a good life choice.

762
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 2: Right.

763
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 4: Fifteen. Yeah, And we got in the car, the family

764
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 4: got in the car, and as soon as we got

765
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 4: in the car, I said, I know what I want

766
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 4: to do now, I know what I want to do

767
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 4: for a living. And I said, my dad says, what

768
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 4: do you want to do. I said, I'm going to

769
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 4: do that. I'm going to do what he does. I

770
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 4: want to do it just like that. And he said

771
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 4: it looks like fun, doesn't it. I said yes, And

772
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 4: he said, and that's what she'll do, right. And it

773
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 4: was that simple. It was very uh, there was no

774
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 4: it wasn't combative.

775
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 3: Very rare for you know, I mean, I guess because

776
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: he's musical. Your father understands the connection. A lot of times,

777
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 3: when when one doesn't understand the connection to an art,

778
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 3: you know, a parent, it can be hard to understand

779
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,080
Speaker 3: and know, and knowing how competitive the field is, it

780
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 3: could be a hard thing to say.

781
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 2: Had you written any songs at that point at fifteen?

782
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I've written a couple of really shitty songs

783
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 4: for sure, a couple of singers, you know. So, but uh,

784
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 4: and I only did that. I mean, I was writing

785
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 4: songs when I was like a little kid, you know,

786
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 4: like just me of all the time, his music ideas constantly.

787
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 4: And then I hung that up and I started learning

788
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 4: cover songs. Then my brother who's four grades above me,

789
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 4: three and a half years older, who was also a musician,

790
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 4: he goes, I want to write some songs, and I said, well,

791
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,919
Speaker 4: the great one's already written, you know. He goes, yeah,

792
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,280
Speaker 4: but if you don't write the songs, why should anybody

793
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 4: remember you? And I said, all right, well, good point.

794
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 4: And you know immediately you know, of course that day

795
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 4: it's a challenge from your older brother. You have to

796
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 4: do it right. And so he was also the instrumental

797
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 4: in that too, because he challenged me a lot. And

798
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 4: he was also kind of a natural born authority hater

799
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 4: and you know, just just anti structure, you know, in life,

800
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 4: you know.

801
00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 3: Which I like, how many years older is he.

802
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 4: Three and a half years?

803
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:52,760
Speaker 3: Three and a half?

804
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, so four grades?

805
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 3: And did you play together?

806
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, we played music together. In fact, he got me

807
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 4: my first regular type of gig at a bar, which

808
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 4: was you know, the drinking age is twenty one, so

809
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 4: when you're sixteen you start drinking bars, right, so and

810
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 4: or fifteen and so, you know, it was so you know,

811
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 4: and and so my brother was was out at the bars,

812
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 4: you know, we're we're in high school, and he was

813
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 4: going to a bar in the next town over and

814
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 4: there was a guy doing a Tuesday night open mic

815
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 4: sort of thing, jam kind of thing, and he got

816
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 4: to know the bartender pretty good, because that's what you

817
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 4: do when you're in high school. You get to know

818
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:43,720
Speaker 4: the bartender pretty good. And he said, Hey, my brother

819
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 4: plays music and he's good. Can we think you'd be

820
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 4: able to get him into the bar and play some music,

821
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 4: you know, And he was like, yeah, hell yeah, why

822
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 4: not have fuck it? And so so he could. My

823
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 4: brother came home, he goes, they got his permission to

824
00:42:57,520 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 4: go in, let's go and play some songs and whatever.

825
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 4: So we started doing that. The best part about it

826
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 4: was it was right across the street from the police station.

827
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,760
Speaker 4: And you know, and uh and and you know, I guess,

828
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 4: I guess doing breaking the laws just fun when you're young,

829
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 4: just in general. And uh, you know, it's kind of

830
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 4: like what you do, and you know, it's just fun.

831
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:23,319
Speaker 4: Rebellion is good, right, you know, it's the whole thing

832
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 4: about being young.

833
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 3: So how long did you do that?

834
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 4: I would do it every week and I quit sports

835
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 4: and uh and uh, cause it was kind of like

836
00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 4: what do I want to do? Do I want to

837
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 4: do I want to hang out after school with people

838
00:43:39,239 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 4: with kids, or like do I want to like work

839
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 4: on this skill set and meet women? You know? And

840
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 4: uh and uh, you're in high school, so it's a

841
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 4: very big deal. You're like at fifteen, you're hanging out

842
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 4: with adults. It was just better for me. Uh, you know,

843
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:00,799
Speaker 4: I was already sleeping in school anyway, so so you know,

844
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 4: it was just you know, I can never sleep at night,

845
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 4: so it was better off if I was out working

846
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 4: at night, playing bars, you know, during the weekdays. Even

847
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 4: though I was in high school.

848
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 3: Now, do you remember a moment when you wrote your

849
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 3: first song that you were like, I think I'm good

850
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 3: at this. I think I'm actually I think I'm actually

851
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 3: really good at this.

852
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 4: Well, when you're writing songs and you're fifteen, you think

853
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 4: you're good at everything anyway, and you suck and and

854
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 4: so if god, if I was to go back and

855
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,239
Speaker 4: dig up some of the material, you would have such

856
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 4: a laugh right now.

857
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 3: But you had the confidence then, is what you're saying,

858
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 3: Like you felt confident?

859
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 4: Oh god, yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah, kidding. You're you know,

860
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 4: you're you're young. You're young, and you're doing something that

861
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 4: is unusual in the small environment that you're in, the

862
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 4: small pond that you're in. So therefore it's already you're

863
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 4: already getting five points out of ten just for being different, right, So,

864
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 4: and so you know, you're only like one or two

865
00:45:17,600 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 4: points away from walking on water as far as you're concerned,

866
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 4: because it's because you really think what you're doing is

867
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 4: really good, even if you suck at it, like you know, So,

868
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:28,319
Speaker 4: so if I go back and listen to myself right

869
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 4: now at fifteen, I would I'm telling you, I guarantee

870
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 4: you I would not be able to get through fifteen

871
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 4: seconds of it. So but you know, you have neighbors

872
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,839
Speaker 4: and friends and family and they're being supportive and they

873
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 4: want to help you, and they want they want you

874
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,120
Speaker 4: to get out of there too, right, So they're championing you,

875
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 4: and they're believers, and they're and they're and they're they're

876
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 4: trying to help you. You know, they're trying to be

877
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 4: a springboard for you, and they were they were a

878
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 4: tremendous health And then the part of that, and I

879
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 4: think what they're giving you is something that's better than money,

880
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 4: which is confidence, right, m yeah, because because confidence is

881
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,279
Speaker 4: totally invaluable. You can't put a number on on confidence.

882
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 4: It is absolutely the against all odds mathematics is confidence, right.

883
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 3: I really, I really I feel that. So I really

884
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 3: understand that because it took even for me with music,

885
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 3: even a couple people who really allowed gave me even

886
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 3: more confidence to feel like I could do it, you

887
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 3: know absolutely, meaning like just not doubt myself, you know, yes,

888
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,839
Speaker 3: to have a stronger belief in the art, you know,

889
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 3: and my writing and everything.

890
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, when did it happen?

891
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, what was your that was going to be

892
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 3: about that.

893
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 4: I know, like great when we were like holy shit,

894
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 4: like making money. I was making money from a pretty

895
00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 4: early age, you know, just playing bars of making big money.

896
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 4: And then I and then you know, I would I

897
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 4: would often play songs I was working on to my family,

898
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 4: right because I respected taste, and I played played my

899
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 4: music for friends of mine that I was working on.

900
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:17,399
Speaker 4: If they're like, you know, sings, you sing it good,

901
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 4: you know, then you're like a song sucks, right, But

902
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,359
Speaker 4: but I would always play it for them. And one

903
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,279
Speaker 4: day I wrote this song and I was playing it

904
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 4: for my brother, and he would always be like, hey,

905
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 4: that's pretty good. Yeah, that's pretty good. That's pretty good.

906
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 4: One day, I was playing the song at the an apartment.

907
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 4: We were living together in an apartment in Hell's Kitchen

908
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 4: in New York on forty ninth and h and ninth.

909
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 4: It was the end of the nineties, and uh, we

910
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 4: were living together, and I played him the chorus. I

911
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,239
Speaker 4: finished the song. I played the last chorus and I

912
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:00,160
Speaker 4: never saw him react before like this, and he goes,

913
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 4: that's your fucking hit. You finally got one, You finally

914
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 4: got a fucking hit song. You fucking did it and

915
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 4: I said, really, He goes, yes, that's a hit song,

916
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,800
Speaker 4: and it was, and it became my first hit single.

917
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:21,399
Speaker 4: You know, it was I Don't Want to Be And.

918
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 3: That was that because that was that when you and that,

919
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 3: that was enormous. I mean that came out and it

920
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 3: must have just completely.

921
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, it changed my life.

922
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 3: It changed your life? Now, were you signed at the time?

923
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 4: Not when I played him that song. I mean, prior

924
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 4: to that, I was, you know, I've been doing the

925
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 4: grind since I was a teenager. So I had a

926
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 4: I'm trying not to tell the longest version of the story,

927
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 4: but I had initially been given a record record deal

928
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 4: offer from RCA in nineteen ninety seven, and I was

929
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 4: like twenty at the time because I played one gig

930
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 4: in New York City. They had heard a demo I

931
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 4: had sent in through a manager that had met an

932
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 4: upstate New York and they were great people, and the Pratts,

933
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 4: and they had they had sent this uh recording and

934
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 4: the head of an r RCA had heard it and

935
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 4: she goes, I want to meet the guy. You know,

936
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 4: I think there's some good stuff here. So I did

937
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 4: a showcase. It made me an offer and it wasn't

938
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 4: really a good offer. And uh and and and they're

939
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 4: they're to me, Oh, you're the next Paul Simon, You're this,

940
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 4: you're that. And I said, that's great. But it didn't

941
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 4: the contract didn't read that way, so I said, and

942
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:35,040
Speaker 4: I'm twenty. I said, uh, it doesn't read that way.

943
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 4: So that it tells me I'm not ready. It's a

944
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 4: more reflection on me than you. And uh, and I'm

945
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 4: happy to, you know, come back at another time. And

946
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 4: at the time, I was working like at a lumber yard,

947
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 4: you know, in upstate New York. And uh and uh,

948
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 4: you know, no harm, no foul. And I had a

949
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 4: little bit of a relationship with these these people. They

950
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 4: were very nice, but I didn't think it was I

951
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 4: wasn't upset with them. I saw it as I just

952
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 4: still suck, you know, and I need to get better.

953
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 4: I need to write better songs. But I hadn't written

954
00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 4: that song by then, And there were a lot of

955
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 4: songs I hadn't written by then. But maybe one or

956
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 4: two of those songs I had written by then. But

957
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 4: then I did a publishing deal with Warner, so I

958
00:50:20,360 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 4: was writing for Warner, and I was twenty two and

959
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 4: then yeah, I was twenty two or twenty three with

960
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 4: the guy who brought me a named Randy Sabastin, who

961
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,879
Speaker 4: I liked a lot. And then Nile Rodgers was coming

962
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 4: out to the gigs, who was like a big producer,

963
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:43,720
Speaker 4: writer guy, and then he and I started. He wanted

964
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 4: to produce me, right, so we made a record together,

965
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 4: like a half a record, But I didn't like the

966
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 4: terms of the deal that were being offered at that time,

967
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 4: so I was like, I don't want to do the deal.

968
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 4: And then years went by, and then I signed a deal.

969
00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 4: Once I developed a following in New York playing live,

970
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,240
Speaker 4: then the deal started just coming from other other record

971
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 4: companies and then they and then the contract started reading

972
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 4: a lot better, right.

973
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 3: And Chariot twenty is the album that had I don't

974
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:22,240
Speaker 3: want to be on it, right, I mean that yeah,

975
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 3: And that was your big.

976
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, that opened a lot of doors for me. Well,

977
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 4: I got a phone call from a guy. His name

978
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 4: was Joe Devola, and I was walking around the East

979
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 4: Village at the time. At that point point, I was

980
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 4: living in kind of at the edge Alphabet City and

981
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 4: like two thousand and like three, and I got a

982
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 4: phone two thousand, Yeah, two two thousand and three, I

983
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 4: got a phone call from this guy and he goes, hey,

984
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 4: man's Joe Devola. You know I owned these I won

985
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 4: these TV shows. I own them, I create them. I

986
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 4: created a lot of shows for MTV. I created the

987
00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 4: first non music show at MTV called Remote Control. He

988
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 4: took me down his whole thing, you know, and I

989
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 4: loved it. I love this whole He had this whole

990
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 4: great persona and delivery, and he seemed so sincerea. And

991
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 4: and he said, I wanna I want to put a

992
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 4: song of yours on this show. And I said, uh,

993
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 4: what kind of show? He said, it's a TV show.

994
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 4: I said, Nah, don't do TV. I don't do TV.

995
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 4: I'm I'm cool like that. I'm too cool for fucking TV.

996
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 4: I don't do TV. I don't do movies. I want

997
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 4: to be famous without anyone never knowing who I am.

998
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 4: So he was like, what are you talking about. I

999
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 4: was like, no, no, I don't do TV. I don't

1000
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 4: do ads, I don't do movies. I don't want anyone

1001
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 4: to know.

1002
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 2: What I look like, you know.

1003
00:52:48,200 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 4: And he was like, all right, let me put it

1004
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 4: to you like this. You have to help me help you.

1005
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 4: If you want your music to be heard, I have

1006
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 4: a platform to do it. You gotta let me do it.

1007
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 4: I said, absolutely not TV's lame.

1008
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 3: No, that was the TV.

1009
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 4: I had issues with it. I have no idea why

1010
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 4: I was What was the show though? It was a

1011
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 4: show called One Tree Hill and so he goes.

1012
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 2: And so so.

1013
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 4: I think it was all based on going up in

1014
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 4: this hippie area. Were being related with anything corporate.

1015
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,680
Speaker 3: It was also that was very of the time too.

1016
00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,800
Speaker 3: You know, it was no but everybody was too cool

1017
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 3: to do anything other than what they did and it

1018
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 3: wasn't the right thing. And if you did that, then

1019
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 3: you're sellout. I mean that was like, and you're.

1020
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 4: In the East Village, man, you know, like you know, yeah,

1021
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 4: by you know, Ryan Adams is walking by there with

1022
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 4: a couple.

1023
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, by the way, we were there too. We were

1024
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 3: in Chelsea. Chris and I were living in Chelsea at

1025
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 3: the time, in like a four story walk up right.

1026
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 4: I said, I don't want to be affiliated with TV.

1027
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:02,280
Speaker 4: TV has no cred, you know, I'm cred. And he goes,

1028
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:05,960
Speaker 4: let me ask you a question, Gavin, how much money

1029
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 4: do you have in the bank right now? And I

1030
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 4: go you man, and which we started laughing. You know,

1031
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 4: he goes, no, seriously, how much? I said, not a lot, Joe,

1032
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,440
Speaker 4: not a lot. He goes, would you like a lot more? Uh?

1033
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 4: Huh sounds pretty good. So he goes, I'm not going

1034
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 4: to touch your music. All I'm going to do is

1035
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 4: play your music. You don't even have to be in

1036
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 4: the ads. No one's going to see you, none of it.

1037
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, cool. So then the phone rang

1038
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,319
Speaker 4: again and it was another creator and they go, hey,

1039
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 4: we want to use another one of your songs, but

1040
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,200
Speaker 4: a different song for another show. And by that point,

1041
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 4: Joe had already convinced me what to do? You know,

1042
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 4: I was like, use it, use it for that too,

1043
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 4: you know, like another So, you know, you change your

1044
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 4: mind and there's reality checks there you know where you're going.

1045
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, you started to like open up and I need

1046
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 3: to make a look. You got to grow up and

1047
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:06,959
Speaker 3: fit you out?

1048
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 4: Yeah? What am I? What am I doing?

1049
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: You know? Right?

1050
00:55:09,360 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 3: You decided to go in the studio and reimagine your

1051
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,280
Speaker 3: first the first big album, yeah cheeriot.

1052
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1053
00:55:16,520 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 4: And what and what what?

1054
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 3: What was the impetus for this?

1055
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 4: Well? It was twenty years it was a great excuse

1056
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,280
Speaker 4: to revisit this old material that initially had like changed

1057
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 4: my life, right, my lifestyle and like my personal world,

1058
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 4: and and I had I there's improvements that have happened

1059
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 4: for me personally as as an artist. So I've personally

1060
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 4: improved at my job. And I wanted to, you know,

1061
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 4: perform these songs better than I had on my first record.

1062
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 4: It's not that I felt like I didn't do do

1063
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,880
Speaker 4: the first record service. I was very proud of the

1064
00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:01,280
Speaker 4: first record. But after living with this songs and performing

1065
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:07,440
Speaker 4: these songs and other twenty years thousand times, you know exactly,

1066
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 4: I just feel like the performances are better, and I

1067
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:13,640
Speaker 4: wanted to document it. You know, a record is a

1068
00:56:13,719 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 4: you know is a doctor.

1069
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 2: So are you re recording? You re recorded the whole thing.

1070
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,959
Speaker 4: Yeah, re recorded the whole thing. And I had gone

1071
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 4: into the studio with the guy I had worked with

1072
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 4: on my last record, and I really love the sonics

1073
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,879
Speaker 4: and the performances of the last record, which is called

1074
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 4: Face the River, and I love the way it sounded.

1075
00:56:30,400 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 4: It sounded just sounded real, sounded authentic, and there's no

1076
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 4: real fixing on the record. It's just sort of you know,

1077
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 4: it's not it's not auto tuned, and it's not copy pasted,

1078
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 4: and it's just very it breathes, and uh, it's very

1079
00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:50,880
Speaker 4: organic and so and and and it's a producer I

1080
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,960
Speaker 4: really really respect for this type of project. Name is

1081
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 4: Dave Cobb. Of course, I'm sure you heard.

1082
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 3: I loved it. I'm such a big fan of his. Yeah,

1083
00:56:59,360 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 3: she's amazing.

1084
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,879
Speaker 4: He is he is amazing, and and and they've they've

1085
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 4: likes to make music live, you know, And which is

1086
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 4: which is my real my wheelhouse.

1087
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:11,959
Speaker 3: Which is every time I hear like a Nashville artist

1088
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 3: or someone and I hear it and I'm like, god,

1089
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 3: I love this song. Yeah, I'll go it's like like

1090
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 3: maybe nine out of ten times it's cop it's.

1091
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's yeah. He gets great, you know, great sounds

1092
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 4: and great performances out of people, and and and the

1093
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 4: recordings just sound authentic. They sound honest, and they.

1094
00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 2: The arrangements are the same or do you change.

1095
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 4: It up there? They're they're they're not the same. They're

1096
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 4: simplified really and uh, they ripped down more. Yeah, it's

1097
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 4: really just four or five guys playing at the same time.

1098
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 4: And that's that's the record. Yeah, wait to hear it.

1099
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 4: I hope you like it. I hope you like and

1100
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:51,720
Speaker 4: it and it.

1101
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 6: It really reminds me of what what those performances, how

1102
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 6: they how they sort of come to be in a

1103
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 6: live sitting in a bar room or or at somebody's

1104
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 6: house when you're hanging.

1105
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 4: Out and you happen to be hanging out some great

1106
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 4: musicians and and you go, yoh man, you want to

1107
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,200
Speaker 4: work something up, and you know, there's some people coming over.

1108
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 4: Let's work up a couple of songs for these these guys,

1109
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 4: and we'll just hang out and play some music. Yeah,

1110
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 4: fuck yeah, let's do it. And and that was really

1111
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 4: the process for cutting the record. And it reminded me

1112
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,120
Speaker 4: of just playing at a bar.

1113
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:29,560
Speaker 3: Was there any song that like that, like actually surprised

1114
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 3: you when you got back into it, when you that

1115
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:35,760
Speaker 3: you kind of went, wow, you know, I actually like

1116
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 3: this song even better.

1117
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, I like, maybe it's just because I'm

1118
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 4: older and my taste has become more specific. This is

1119
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 4: the type of record that I this these sort of

1120
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 4: sonics are the types of records I like to listen to,

1121
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 4: you know, at the house. You know, there's a kind

1122
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 4: of records.

1123
00:58:55,560 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 2: I like.

1124
00:58:55,960 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 4: I like to hear there more, just more. Sic you

1125
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 4: think it's basic, It's just simple. I can hear. I

1126
00:59:03,800 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 4: know exactly what the guitar player is doing. I know

1127
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 4: exactly what the bass player is doing. I'm not over.

1128
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 4: I'm not not inundated with information and notes and and

1129
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 4: counter melodies and bills and whistles. I'm not really a

1130
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 4: bills and whistles guy.

1131
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,400
Speaker 3: Well, I'm so excited to hear. When is it coming out?

1132
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 4: September seven?

1133
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, September twenty seven.

1134
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,000
Speaker 4: I didn't initially choose this date, but when they told

1135
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 4: me the date, O, it's happens to be my dad's

1136
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 4: what would have been my dad's birthday. No, oh, amazing.

1137
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 3: It's a leir Dad with a libra. It's a libra album.

1138
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:44,080
Speaker 4: I like it. Oh is that what that means? Yeah?

1139
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 3: You know what I mean. I'm just making this up.

1140
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:52,440
Speaker 3: I'm pulling this right out of my heinee. It's a balancing.

1141
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 3: It's a it's a balance. It's the scales. It's like

1142
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 3: Chariot twenty or it's like you're like balance to you're

1143
00:59:59,360 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 3: balancing it.

1144
01:00:00,280 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 4: Nope, I like it. It's just a release, like balance

1145
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 4: just a release, just a release, Nope, just Gavin.

1146
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 3: You're the best. This was so much fun. I hope

1147
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 3: to actually like you.

1148
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 2: See you laying in l A.

1149
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:18,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, look us up, bucket, we'll do dinner.

1150
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd love.

1151
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,439
Speaker 4: To Manvin later.

1152
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 2: Have the best later brother, See you