1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: And it flashed across the bottom of the screen. Doctor 2 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Martin Luther King, Junior has been shot and killed and nothing. 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 2: From marches to microphones. 4 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: Because when Colin took on knee, he took it for 5 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: the families and miss Frilling. 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 3: Reverend al Sharpton has carried doctor King's dream through the decades. 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:23,960 Speaker 1: Doctor King gave me a purpose and a mission, and 8 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: your mother fine tuned my personality so I could be 9 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: better at doing. 10 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 2: And paid the price for never backing down. 11 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,680 Speaker 1: I've been stabbling the march and didn't know if I 12 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: was gonna make it. I've been indicted and the only 13 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: thing you could do. 14 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 3: With Reverend Sharpton opens up about the early days, the struggles, 15 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 3: the lessons, and the people who shaped him. 16 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 1: Think about that woman telling me, don't let that kid down, 17 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: And I think all of us need to be able 18 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,959 Speaker 1: to step back and realize that somebody depending on us 19 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: not to let them down. 20 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 3: Join host Martin Luther King the Third, Andrea Waters, King, 21 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 3: Mark Kilberger, and Craig Kilberger for a deeply moving conversation 22 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:07,120 Speaker 3: about courage and conviction. 23 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 2: As we honor the life and legacy of doctor. 24 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 4: King, are we closer to the dream or are we 25 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 4: drifting further away? 26 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: So you learn not to celebrate too much, and you 27 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: learn not to get too broken arder on the bad day. 28 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:23,120 Speaker 1: Get me. 29 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:31,400 Speaker 5: Welcome to my legacy. Today's guest is a towering figure 30 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 5: in civil rights, a spiritual leader, and one of the 31 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:40,400 Speaker 5: most influential voices in justice for our lifetime. Reverend Al Sharpton, 32 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 5: Reverend Sharpton, we are indeed honored to have you with 33 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 5: us today, Sir. Thank you, Rev. 34 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: Well, thank you. I'm honored to be with you. 35 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 4: Know, Rev. This is extraordinarily special for certainly Andrea and 36 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 4: I our friendship going back many years. 37 00:01:57,040 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: I want to go back to the beginning. 38 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 4: You've said they would be noae Al Sharpton without Martin 39 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 4: Luther King Jr. 40 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: Rev. 41 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 4: You met my father as a child, but you said 42 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 4: that it was your mother's reaction to dad's assassination that 43 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 4: profoundly impacted you. 44 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: I had grown up in the Church of God in Christ, 45 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: and I had become a boy preacher when I was 46 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: four years old, actually preaching my first sermon before people 47 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:35,880 Speaker 1: in this large church, and my parents ended up separating 48 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: when I was ten, So we moved from this nice 49 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,960 Speaker 1: middle class home in Hollis Queen's and ended up in 50 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,799 Speaker 1: the projects, just my mother and sister and I. I'm 51 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: twelve years old. And she took me to the Bishop, 52 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: Bishop Washington, and he said to me, you met doctor 53 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: King and the Fruitom Riders had a rally here. I said, 54 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I remember meeting Man Uther King. He said, well, 55 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:03,919 Speaker 1: that's the kind of movement you need to be it. 56 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: And he brought me over to Reverend William Jones house 57 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: and talked to Reverend Jones about me being involved. And Rev. 58 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 1: Jones said, I know to do it, and we'll make 59 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: our youth director of the chapter. So that's how I 60 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: got involved in the chapter of selc Breadbasket in New York. 61 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: A couple of months later, we were sitting in the 62 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: living room watching black and white TV. Wasn't no color 63 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: TV there, and it flashed across the bottom of the screen. 64 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: Doctor Martin Luther King, Junior has been shot and killed 65 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: in Memphis, and my mother broke down start crying like 66 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: it was a member of our immediate family. And I 67 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: had met doctor King. I was then getting involved in 68 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: the chapter, but I felt she was Why was she 69 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: reacting so personal? And my mother said, you would have 70 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: had to have been growing up sitting in the back 71 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: of the bus on not being able to go to 72 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:09,400 Speaker 1: a restaurant or not even user Tarlet downtown Dothan, where 73 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: I visited where she grew up to understand what Doctor 74 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,039 Speaker 1: King met. And it really moved me that my mother 75 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: was this mood, and so I started taking more seriously 76 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:23,479 Speaker 1: going to the Breadbasket meetings. And then Nina Simone came 77 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,359 Speaker 1: out with a song that was a track on a 78 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:31,479 Speaker 1: film call from Montgomery to Methods, and the song was 79 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: what are we gonna do now? The King of Love 80 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 1: is dead? And I remember the lyrics. Keith turned the 81 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: other cheek. He pleaded love your neighbor was his plea 82 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? And I felt that at 83 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: thirteen years old, she was singing to me, and I 84 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: felt indicted. And I decided then that despite the fact 85 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 1: I knew all the big creatures in New York and 86 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: I was known to them as a boy preachering and 87 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: everybody was saying, we're gonna put you in seminary, We're 88 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 1: going to get you whatever church you on that I 89 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: wanted my ministry to be like Doctor King. Your father 90 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: was the reason I did not pursue that Adam Clayton 91 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: Bower route of getting a big church, going to Congress. 92 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: I wanted to be in the movement. I felt Nina 93 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: Simone was indicting me, and I felt that if what 94 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: my mother would weep for meant so much to her, 95 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: what your father did, I believe that that was my calling. 96 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: That's why it was such important to me when I 97 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,400 Speaker 1: started working closely with you, and then you got me 98 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: closer with your mother, because I was grounded in that, 99 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: you know how with Thurman, who you knew and studied, 100 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:48,919 Speaker 1: knew his work, used to say that that a man 101 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: must choose and deal with his foundation. He says, it's 102 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: a strange freedom. This is the strange freedom to be 103 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: adrift in the world. Men that have no sense of 104 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 1: being anchored to anything. And your father's work and SCLC 105 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: and to work of your mother and work you and 106 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: I and Andre have done together has kept me anchored. 107 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 1: So even when I later got to know James Brown 108 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: and Michael Jackson and others, I was anchored and I 109 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: would always stand in the movement because of the work 110 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:23,679 Speaker 1: of your father. 111 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 6: One of the things that I have always greatly admired 112 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 6: and appreciated about you is how you have always, I 113 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:37,320 Speaker 6: don't even say lifted up acknowledged the strength and power 114 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 6: of women. You know you talked about you know, Martin's mother, 115 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 6: Karreta Scott King, and I know how much you acknowledged 116 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 6: her strength and power. 117 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 2: Rev. 118 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:49,840 Speaker 6: I know that one of the first ways that you 119 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 6: became active in politics was as the youth director for 120 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 6: Shirley Chisholm's nineteen seventy two presidential campaign. For those who 121 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 6: may not know, she was the first black woman elected 122 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 6: to Congress and also the first black candidate to ever 123 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 6: run for president. So you've always embraced women, and you 124 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 6: have a course to wonderful daughters Dominique and Ashley. Was 125 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 6: that just organic for you or was it your mother's example. 126 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: I think a lot of it was my mother, and 127 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,559 Speaker 1: a lot of it was the church in the sense 128 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: that Bishop Washington was an outlier and let women preaching 129 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: our church when most churches then, including churches of God 130 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:33,680 Speaker 1: in Christ, didn't believe in That. 131 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 6: Was this in the fifties, late late fifty I was 132 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,360 Speaker 6: baptized at three years old and fifty eight, and the 133 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 6: lady that preached at night. 134 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: Was a lady named Madame Emily Bram So it wasn't 135 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: strange to me to see women in leadership. But then 136 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: when I started getting a little just a little older, 137 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: and my father left and bands and my mother took 138 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: care of us. I would tell people when I started 139 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: getting involved in movement eleven and twelve, you don't understand 140 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: that my mother is the only reason that I had 141 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,239 Speaker 1: clothes away to school. What are you talking about? Women 142 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: got to step back and my mother hadn't stepped up. 143 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: I remember we couldn't pay light and gas bills. I'd 144 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: do homework a candlelight for about six seven months, and 145 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: my mother said, boy, I don't care if we get 146 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: a flashlight. You're gonna do your work. You're gonna be 147 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: able to go to school where I couldn't do an alabima. 148 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: So I couldn't let nobody tell me what women wouldn't do, 149 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: because if it wasn't for a woman, I'd have been 150 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: in the streets having done something else. She kept me 151 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,640 Speaker 1: in the church. She would scrub flaws, even though she 152 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: was on welfare. She would do domestic work so i'd 153 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: have a little suit to wear to preach at When 154 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: I'm a kid, I'm a boy preacher. So by the 155 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: time sixty eight comes and the year doctor King was killed, 156 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: an assembly woman in Brooklyn's running for Congress in nineteen 157 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: sixty eight, and they brought in a guy who was 158 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: nationally known who ran against her on the Republican ticket, 159 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: named James Farmer. He was at a corps and they 160 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: said Nixon sentiment and everybody was going, oh wow, James 161 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,440 Speaker 1: Farmer is gonna be the Congress Congress. The assembly woman 162 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: running against him was Shirley chishom and I remember Shirley 163 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: Chisholm came by to our church and bich Washington like 164 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: James Farmer, but they let hers speak and she had 165 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: this kind of fire in her that reminded me of 166 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 1: my mother. And I went and started, to the chagrin 167 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,959 Speaker 1: of Bitch Washington working in her campaign. I'm all of 168 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: thirteen years old. I couldn't vote at that time. Voting 169 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 1: was twenty one years old. And we became close, and 170 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:58,080 Speaker 1: I would remember undergoing in rooms where she won she 171 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 1: beat James Farmer. I remember we going rooms and all 172 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,440 Speaker 1: of the preachers and the leaders that day we can't 173 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 1: no woman lead us. And I think it was because 174 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 1: of my resentment of that that made me always got 175 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: in my way to say, no, we can't have this, 176 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: because if it wasn't for my mother, I wouldn't have 177 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:22,720 Speaker 1: ever made it. And Shirley Chisholm embraced me. And I 178 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 1: remember in nineteen seventy two when you mentioned a running 179 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: for president. That was a year I was a youth 180 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:34,319 Speaker 1: coordinator and they had the National Black Political Convention in Gary. 181 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: They didn't even invite her, and she was running for 182 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: president because many of the leaders had already made their 183 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: deals with George mcgoverett, who became the nominee, and they 184 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: kind of respected Missus. King was there and Betty Shabaz 185 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: was there, but they didn't invite Shirley. So I saw 186 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: the massagyne all of my life, and I always was 187 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:02,560 Speaker 1: committed that I was gonna be one that would very 188 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: clearly stand against that and uh and later as as 189 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: as Martin and I started working together and he got 190 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: his mother to come up and do how first National 191 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: Action Network dinner, and I remember how strong and regal 192 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: she was. She was the only one that could really 193 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: talk to me about things that I guess everybody want 194 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 1: to talk to me about. She says, you said this, 195 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: that and the other. Why did you say that? I said, well, 196 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: you know, I was angry, and I was first surprised 197 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: she knew some of the. 198 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 7: Crazy stuff I you said, And I said, she said, yeah, 199 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 7: but don't you know, if you're going to be in 200 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 7: Martin's tradition and you grew up in it, sometime we've 201 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 7: got to check what we say. 202 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: I say, yes, ma'am, and she cites something else. And 203 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: she was always real gentle but regal about it. And 204 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 1: I always say that I give her credit. She people 205 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: talk about I saw the mainstream missus King had a 206 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: lot to do with me starting to say yeah, because 207 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: I would tell her, so, ah, they down south, I'm 208 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: up north, this the urban way. But she said, no, 209 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: there's another way. Or do you want the crown or 210 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: do you want the crowd? And I remember her seventieth 211 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: birthday at the Soul Food restaurant there Martin with his 212 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: scheme and had me sit next to her birthday dinner, 213 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: and she looked at me, she says, I'm glad you 214 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 1: flew down for my birthday, and I'm glad you're doing 215 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:35,079 Speaker 1: better talking about and there would not have been a 216 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,960 Speaker 1: movement had it not been for Kretascot King because and 217 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: I don't say that because I'm talking to you. I 218 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: say that all the time because she was the rock 219 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 1: that doctor King leaned. Imagine, with all of the craziness, 220 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: the threats they trying to scandalize him, if she had 221 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 1: been weaker, it would have turned the whole movement round. 222 00:12:56,679 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: And she held a lot of pain for us and 223 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: never got the credit for it. Still does it to 224 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: my because if you look at how people operate today, 225 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: if Missus King just did one interview, just did one 226 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: wayward word about the work or what doctor King had 227 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 1: gone through and put her through, it would have turned 228 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 1: the whole movement around. She never said anything to hurt 229 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 1: the movement and was on the front line. She was 230 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 1: on the front line against the one Vietnam before he was. 231 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,720 Speaker 1: She was standing up for a lot of issues. She 232 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: was more progressive than some of the button down preachers 233 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 1: in the Southern Christian League. You cop. 234 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 5: Scrolling won't change your life, but subscribing just might tap 235 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 5: that button and stay connected to conversations that count. Now 236 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 5: back to my legacy, and you. 237 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 6: Talk about mothers, and one of the things that I 238 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 6: always like to remind people when we were together, because 239 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 6: sometimes people see you and Martin, you know, just on 240 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 6: stage or programs or the three of us or different configurations. 241 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 6: But this is a real relationship to us, and each 242 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 6: time there is probably no greater pain than when your 243 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 6: mom transitions. And for ever, for each one of us, 244 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 6: we were there for each other, you know. Of course 245 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 6: Rev came down with when your mom transitioned. We went 246 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 6: not to the big, fancy service, but we went to Dothan, Alabama, 247 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 6: in that little small church when your mom's funeral service. 248 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 6: And then of course when my mom transitioned, we asked 249 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 6: my sisters and I asked you to actually deliver her 250 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 6: her eulogy. So we all have been there for each 251 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 6: other doing the most trying of time time and for that, 252 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 6: I know I'm personally eternally grateful. 253 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: Now it's really family because you end up with kindred 254 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: spirits because you've been close enough to my case. They 255 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 1: see what they went through. I said many years ago 256 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: when we started doing the marches in Washington, I said, 257 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: do you know the burden it is? And wake up 258 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: every morning and every city in the world has your 259 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: father's name on there, and the expectations they put on 260 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: you and you didn't ask for that. That's what Martin 261 00:15:33,160 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: has to do every day, and then one hundred marries 262 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: into that. I mean, why would you marry into that 263 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: kind of frushet unless you call to do it, and 264 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: then the burden on Yolanda. So I think people see 265 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: the celebrity part of it, but it's the knowing that 266 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: every day, in every way, people are trying to dig 267 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: up some ways to undermine the movement and undermine the 268 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: legacy for their own political reasons and all they don't 269 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: see the pressure. And you got to be able to 270 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: have people around you that absorb that, which is why 271 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: I would say to him, no, let me handle that. 272 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: You you should have to handle it, because he got 273 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 1: enough stuff just waking up every day being Mantin Luther 274 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: King the third and being married to Martin Luther King 275 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: the third and then be an activist in your own right. 276 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: You'all got enough to worry about. And I and my 277 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 1: thing was, I want to be the brother that understands 278 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 1: how you have to help bed at birth because it's 279 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: for all of us, and any anybody else could have 280 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: walked away to stay in the movement. Keep drum made 281 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: you going and all that it only God's annoying would 282 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: make you do that. 283 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 5: For our listeners who can't see Martin's eyes a little 284 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 5: bit welling up in tears and hearing Rev's comments, it's 285 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 5: really very endearing. Your work has been deeply influenced, of course, 286 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 5: by your faith, and you've said that your ministry is 287 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 5: inseparable from your activism. And what way has your faith 288 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 5: helped to shape not only your activism and what you 289 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 5: fight for, but also how you choose to lead. 290 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: My faith has been the basis of me doing what 291 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 1: I do. When I started preaching, it didn't make sense 292 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: for boy to preach. When I got older, it didn't 293 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: make sense for a twelve year old kid to be 294 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 1: in civil rights, and on and on and on. And 295 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: when I started National Action Network, we had two hundred dollars. 296 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 1: I never knew we build. What we built is faith. 297 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 1: Faith is not what you can calculate. Faith is not 298 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: what you can have at the end of a long 299 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: way laid our strategy. Faith is when it doesn't make sense, 300 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: but you believe that God put it on your heart 301 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: and He'll make a way. And he will. And when 302 00:17:48,080 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: doctor King and doctor Avananthon and them call a boycott Montgomery, 303 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: Alabama in fifty five, just a couple of months after him, 304 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 1: until it being killed. There's no way of knowing that 305 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: they would win. They stepped out on faith. Real leaders 306 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 1: in the movement for social change are really people of faith, 307 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: because if you go with is strategic and makes sense, 308 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:15,199 Speaker 1: you will never change society. You've got that people that 309 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 1: bleed bigger than what they're facing. So the core I've 310 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: been stabbling the march and didn't know if I was 311 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: gonna make it. I've been indicted, I've been all of that, 312 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 1: and all only thing you could do is faith. If 313 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: you stand up there and they charging you with stuff 314 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 1: you know you didn't do, only faith. James Brown can't 315 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: help you. Now. The more you get involved, the more 316 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: their forces are gonna come after you. But you gotta 317 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,119 Speaker 1: know there's a force stronger in there. And that's why 318 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: the King movements and Doctor King's teachings meant so much 319 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: to me, because you've got to put what the cause 320 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: is ahead of what the popularity may be in any 321 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: given day of unpopularity. And if you do that, you've 322 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: done your part. God to do the rest. That ain't 323 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 1: my business. My business is the stand up. God's business 324 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: is the hole yup? You know, rev. 325 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 4: When we think about faith, and particularly at this particular. 326 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: Time in our nation and world's history, it is. 327 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:29,199 Speaker 4: Sixty two years since Dad shared his dream at the 328 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 4: Lincoln Memorial for our nation and world. Are we closer 329 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 4: to the dream or are we drifting further away? 330 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: I think that we are in a cycle that keeps 331 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:51,680 Speaker 1: going around. I was saying in the past that we're 332 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: moving away from the dream, and then we'd see some 333 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: progress and we'd say that we're achieving the dreams. Some 334 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: people said when Barack Obama's extra present, we're Achievement's dream. 335 00:20:05,320 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: Others when Kamradhist became vice pear with achievements dream, But 336 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: that wasn't a dream. The dream was changing the world 337 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:19,160 Speaker 1: for all of us. And the old I've gotten, the 338 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: more I understand that it's not everybody's dream. So you've 339 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 1: got to fight the non dreaming spirit and to keep 340 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 1: the dream alive, the dreamers alive as long as it's 341 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:36,160 Speaker 1: in the light and the heart of the dreamers. So 342 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: our job is to be the custodians of the dream 343 00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: in good times and bad times, because if it was 344 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: gonna be an ending utopia. It would have happened in 345 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: the Bible all the way through four thousand years after Moses, 346 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: they crucified Jesus. So we've just got to be resolved 347 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: that it's our job, is centered for what's right, and 348 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 1: let God bless it and the next generation continued it going. 349 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: So we have a lot of people that are full 350 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: of materialism, UH, that are full of militarism. You always 351 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 1: quote your father, and they must face the dreamers. That's 352 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,679 Speaker 1: why we're going to Wall Street this year. We go 353 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: other places. We're dealing with with you and Andrea, dealing 354 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: with what's going on with the UH, the UH, the 355 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: changing of where they're setting up congressional seats. We must 356 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: represent the dream. We should never wait on the never 357 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: connezans of the Pharaohs to to to UH to affirm 358 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 1: and actualize the dream. That ain't their job, it's our job. 359 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: And UH. I think it's symbolized you know, I'm deeply 360 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: a Baptist preacher, symbolized by Jesus. The choice was you 361 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,479 Speaker 1: can come down off the cross, deliver yourself, and Jesus 362 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: wouldn't come down though he could have. And I think 363 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,159 Speaker 1: our challenge is even in a day that voting rights 364 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:06,960 Speaker 1: and inequality economically and all is all of the day. 365 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:11,280 Speaker 1: Will we come down, will we join the others in 366 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 1: our anger, lose our footing, which is what your mother 367 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: was on me about, or will we represent what is right? 368 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,679 Speaker 1: Because there will not be a resurrection if you cannot 369 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: endure through a crucifixion. You've got to go through the 370 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: crucifixion to get to the resurrection. 371 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 4: Rev. 372 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 8: Just love that analogy of having to endure to get 373 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 8: to the resurrection. 374 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: Rev. 375 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 8: You've been involved with an incredible degree of love and 376 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 8: attention on so many issues, but I want to draw 377 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 8: one to the issue of police brutality and standing with 378 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,480 Speaker 8: families among their darkness moments from Brianna Taylor to George 379 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 8: Floyd to many others. Why is that important to you 380 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 8: from a perspective of a leader for civil rights but 381 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 8: also wise in perspective to you as a humanitarian, as 382 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 8: a preacher, And how do you help those families turn 383 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,479 Speaker 8: that type of true grief into purpose. 384 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: One is that when society becomes to where those that 385 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: are supposed to be your protectors against unlawfulness and disorder 386 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 1: become unlawful themselves, the very fabric of society is torn apart, 387 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: and I saw in these police cases people losing faith. 388 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: Once you lose faith in the guys, they're gonna protect 389 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: you from the unlawful. The rest just continues, unraveling your 390 00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: faith in society as a whole. So when I started 391 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: hearing about these cases, I would respond, but I would 392 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: also respond as a mediciner. One of the first things 393 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: I would say is, well is the family able to bury? 394 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:57,159 Speaker 1: The people? And National Action Network in many cases, some 395 00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: of which you name, paid for the funerals and all 396 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: why Because I didn't want to see the hustlers, which 397 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,840 Speaker 1: some did, get online and have these fundme accounts and 398 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,479 Speaker 1: the family not be taken care of. How did I 399 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: know that most of these families couldn't afford the funeral. 400 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,720 Speaker 1: I'm talking about the funeral, Some couldn't afford suits to 401 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: go to the funeral. Because I grew up that way, 402 00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: and I knew if I had gotten killed before I 403 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: was twenty one, somebody would have to raise money for 404 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: my funeral. So I came from that, and that's why 405 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 1: a lot of the families bonded with me, because I 406 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: understood them. And the lawyer is gonna get a thirty money. 407 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: We ain't getting a third of the insurance money or 408 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: the thirty money when to settle. We never asked even 409 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 1: for them to give us the money back that we 410 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 1: invested in the funerals. The other thing is they need 411 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:48,719 Speaker 1: pastorial concern right to this day. I talked to these families. 412 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 1: I called them on their birthdays, We talk on holidays. 413 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 1: They come and give me. They need rent money, some 414 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,240 Speaker 1: of them all of that because they need to be 415 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: in many ways. The examples that you could could stand 416 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: up and fight and win, which we did in some 417 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,640 Speaker 1: cases George Floyd, those police went to Jailer's already example. 418 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: And I remember that I learned that from the King movement. 419 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: What stimulated the Montgomery bus boycott was the killing of 420 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: Emma til and Missus Parks say, and we can't keep 421 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: taking this. So WHATIRCLC did different than other civil rights 422 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: groups is we're taken incident, whether it's Immatil Jimmy Lee 423 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 1: Jackson and marrying in Alabama, and use an incident to 424 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: build a movement, to dramatize the movement. And that was 425 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: one of the specialties of doctor King. Dramatize the movement 426 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 1: around that and knowing you're gonna have backlash. In nineteen 427 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 1: sixty three August twenty eight, they had the big march 428 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: on Washington. I Have a Dream, but each speech was 429 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: much more depth in that. But don't forget two three 430 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: months later they bombed the church in Birmingham and killed 431 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: four girls. So there's always gonna be a step forward 432 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: and a step backwards, and you got to have enough 433 00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,680 Speaker 1: faith to endure it. Because today's victory, there's gonna be 434 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: a backlash. And I think that that is why it's 435 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: so important to call what I do as a minister 436 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: meet mark, and I've been on many occasions, and then 437 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 1: Andrea will try to temple us down and say, man, 438 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: this is great. We did wonderful. And Andrew said, yeah, 439 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: let's see what that backlash is gonna be. Because you 440 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: know it's gonna be backlash. But your faith sustains you 441 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: as well as it keeps you level headed in the 442 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: time of victory. So you learn not to celebrate too much, 443 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 1: and you learn not to get too broken out on 444 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:41,360 Speaker 1: the bad dad with cheap going. 445 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 6: Scrolling won't change your life, but subscribing just mine. We're 446 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 6: sharing real stories, heart won wisdom and unforgettable lessons that 447 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 6: stay with you long after the screen goal. Start tap 448 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 6: that button and stay connected to conversations that truly count. 449 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 2: Now back to my legacy. 450 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 5: Reverse we reflect. You have advised presidents, You've marched in 451 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 5: every state, stood with people at their times of the 452 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 5: most desperate grief. You have faced the worst challenges, and 453 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 5: you've talked about the need to shift from moments to 454 00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 5: movements and what as you reflect on this incredible career 455 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 5: and this incredible journey, have been your greatest lessons on 456 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 5: how we sustain movements. 457 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: I think that you've got to always measure your movements 458 00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: by did you move the dial for the least of these? 459 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:43,119 Speaker 1: And you're gonna be dead longer than you're gonna be alive. 460 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: I tell myself every day, So do you lead a 461 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 1: footprint and the stand and made a difference or did 462 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,360 Speaker 1: you just get a lot of publicity? And so what? 463 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: It won't matter. Two weeks after you go on, they'll man, 464 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: they'll cry and h then then move on to the 465 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: next thing. And that's why how many years later are 466 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: we talking about doctor King. I mean, there's some people 467 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 1: that never lose their value because the Bible says that 468 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: He that love finds it themselves shall lose themselves. He 469 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: that lose it themselves for my sake shall find himself. 470 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 1: You gotta get lost in something bigger than you, and 471 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,880 Speaker 1: if you do that, you will find who you are. 472 00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: And that's what has been my guiding principle, that if 473 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 1: it's about me, then it's not gonna last anywhere. I'm 474 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: only fooling myself. But if it's about something that will 475 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: be here, a movement or feeling of brief one hundred 476 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 1: years from now, then that will mean that my life 477 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: meant something. There's no way out of known twelve years older, 478 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: I could build national action. Everbod I'd have a TV 479 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: show or radio show. If there's one scripture that's got 480 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: in me. See keep first the Kingdom of Heaven and 481 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: its righteousness, and all these other things will be added, 482 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: not the primary thing, their additions, and they'll come and go. 483 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: God will bless you as long as you bless God. 484 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 8: I love that quote and I just want to say 485 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 8: it again for our viewers and listeners, the concept of 486 00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 8: that you'll be dead longer than you'll be alive. And 487 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 8: I just want to say thank you for bringing wisdom 488 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 8: and perspective like no other speaking wisdom perspective. Craig has 489 00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 8: three boys, I have two girls, and of course you 490 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 8: know Yolanda, who you know you adore. In terms of 491 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 8: that next generation, young people today are losing hope. Young 492 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 8: people today are addicted to their phones. Young people today 493 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 8: are seeing what's happening and are disconnected. What do you 494 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 8: say to the young people who are losing hope? Give 495 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 8: them a pep talk, like, give us some wisdom and 496 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 8: some words I can say to my kids, Craig's kids 497 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 8: and Ulanda who are seeing this world just going up 498 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 8: in flames and feeling disconnected. And what do we say 499 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 8: to them? 500 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: I'll say, first of all, what they're seeing is real. 501 00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: They're not wrong about what they see. But then the 502 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: question is what are you going to do about it? 503 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: And you have more to work with than any generation 504 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: before you do you realize and I tell them this 505 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: that Mahatma Gandhi never knewhere the cell phone was, Martin 506 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: Luther King didn't have email or Instagram. You got more 507 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: to work with and doing nothing with it. So yes, 508 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:33,920 Speaker 1: your analysis is right. Well, your actually has to change 509 00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: this because people would far less than you change the 510 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: world in which they live and made your life better, 511 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,959 Speaker 1: and you need to quit just the what doctor King 512 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: would call it paralysis of analysis, and say, this is 513 00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 1: what we're going to do. We should be using all 514 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: that's available for good rather than talk about how bad 515 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: things are real. 516 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 4: One question I think about and often. 517 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: Just for any and all of us, but is there. 518 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 4: One piece of not just advice, but what has been 519 00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 4: or is there someone what is the greatest thing if 520 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 4: you could say that for now, that or advice that 521 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 4: someone gave you, And did it come from just a 522 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 4: person who none of us would know, or did it 523 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 4: come from someone who is well known. 524 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: I was on the road late nineties, early two thousand 525 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,680 Speaker 1: and we landed in New York airport coming home. It 526 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:43,400 Speaker 1: was about midnight and was walking through the airport. He 527 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: were very few people there, and this woman was walking 528 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: from a distance. She had a little young guy looked 529 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: maybe in is maybe twelve thirteen years old. And the 530 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: woman said remand Shopton And I said, yes, no'am, how 531 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: you do it? And because of the airport it's like midnight, 532 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: she says, can I introduce you to my son? And 533 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: I said, oh, okay, what's your name? He told me 534 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: Sikar's hand, she said, and she could tell I was 535 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: trying to rush past her, but she wouldn't have it. 536 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: She made me standing, and she says, you know, he's 537 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 1: too young to have known a lot of the people 538 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,640 Speaker 1: that I grew up in my doctor King and even 539 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,880 Speaker 1: Malcolm x An kling Pole. She says, you're one of 540 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: the few people now he knows, she says, and she 541 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 1: looked at me almost like your mother that she says, 542 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 1: I hope you will never let him down. And for 543 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: whatever reason, that woman shook me. And a lot of 544 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 1: times when I've gone to the White House to talk 545 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 1: to Obama, when I've gone to other places, and when 546 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: I go in thirty rour Felt then to do my show, 547 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,280 Speaker 1: I think about that woman telling me, don't let that 548 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: kid down. And I think all of us need to 549 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: be able to step back and realize that something is 550 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: depending on us not to let them down. And that's 551 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: what motivates me. It's easy to get caught up in 552 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:09,240 Speaker 1: the glory and do davs and the money, but then 553 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, some kidders say, yet 554 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,880 Speaker 1: it was just another one using us for their own glory. 555 00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: I don't want to go out like that. 556 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:22,120 Speaker 6: It's really hard to put into words what REV has 557 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 6: meant to us as a family, to the Black community 558 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:34,479 Speaker 6: at large, and to every person that believes in the 559 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 6: concept of the beloved community, no matter your color, your gender, 560 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:43,760 Speaker 6: who you love. I think we don't take enough time 561 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 6: to slow down and say thank you, so thank you 562 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 6: for all of everything that you do and continue to 563 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,440 Speaker 6: do that the world knows. But most importantly, there's so 564 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,480 Speaker 6: many things that we know. There are so many people 565 00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 6: that you've had helped that we know that the world 566 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 6: doesn't know, and we thank you for that. 567 00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: People believe they know. 568 00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 4: The story where they see the glory, They feel like 569 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 4: they see the glory, but they don't fully know the story. 570 00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 4: And I think that's what we're attempting to insinuate. 571 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: I mean, when you. 572 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,720 Speaker 4: Not just change the lives of families through a court case, 573 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 4: those court cases sometimes last for years. What people don't 574 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 4: know is how on a daily basis, you're constantly in 575 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 4: touch with these folks, not. 576 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:41,839 Speaker 1: Just talking to. 577 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 4: Them, but literally helping them, putting money in their pockets 578 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 4: taken care of. When you think about that, a family 579 00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 4: oftentimes is in poverty, who or and that's not a 580 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,000 Speaker 4: reflection of who they happen to be, that happens to 581 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:06,799 Speaker 4: be their circumstances. And yet the kind of help you 582 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 4: give over and over and over and over, you know 583 00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:16,280 Speaker 4: I mean, and you keep doing it, it's really helping 584 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:21,600 Speaker 4: to transform lives in a phenomenal way. So you know, 585 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 4: from the bottom of our hearts, we must say just 586 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 4: thank you, and it is an inspiration even to us, 587 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 4: all of us as human beings get tired, but somehow 588 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 4: we have to find that deepness inside to not just overcome, 589 00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:46,160 Speaker 4: but to stay sustaining, to fortify, fortify, and then go 590 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 4: back out the next day and fight the battle. 591 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: And that's what you demonstrate. 592 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,760 Speaker 4: We thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you well. 593 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,759 Speaker 1: Thank you. And I couldnt put in words how much 594 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,720 Speaker 1: you and Honya and your loandamein to me. I'd always 595 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:07,160 Speaker 1: be grateful that you brought me in the family. I 596 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:10,759 Speaker 1: say that Doctor King, who was a seminal figure in 597 00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:15,520 Speaker 1: my lifetime. Doctor King gave me a purpose and a mission, 598 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,280 Speaker 1: and your mother fine tuned my personality so I could 599 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,360 Speaker 1: be better at doing it. So when you see me 600 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,680 Speaker 1: leaving a marge helping a family as the doctor King 601 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: influence when you see me on MSNBC and my verbs 602 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:37,839 Speaker 1: agree as Coretascott King. 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