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Speaker 1: Welcome to I Could Happened Here, a podcast about a

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Speaker 1: world sliding ever further into the abyss. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Mia Wong. As the wave of atrocities committed by Israel

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Speaker 1: and the Gaza strip rate is on and the moral

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Speaker 1: authority of Biden and his liberal cohort crumbles day by day,

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Speaker 1: a new generation of right wing media grifters have seized

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Speaker 1: on Palestine as a way to boost their own reactionary brand.

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Speaker 1: But these are not the standard kind of right wing

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Speaker 1: grifter that we've become accustomed to on this show. They

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Speaker 1: aren't Chris Ruffo, they aren't libbit of TikTok, and although

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Speaker 1: they will eventually appear on Tucker Carlson, they aren't cut

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Speaker 1: from that pre existing template. These are our monsters. These

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Speaker 1: are monsters birth by the left I grew up in,

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Speaker 1: by the generation of new socialist radicalized by Bernie Sanders,

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Speaker 1: the serience of a war, and the election of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: This is largely to be a set up episode to

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Speaker 1: understand the background of the kinds of people who are

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Speaker 1: going to come later, But I wanted to start the

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Speaker 1: story with a taste of where it's going to end.

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Speaker 1: Max Blumenthal is a left wing journalist with the outlet

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Speaker 1: regarded in anti imperialist circles. In many ways, he is

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Speaker 1: the ideological predecessor to enormous portions of the modern left.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, Anthony Fauci, the former head of

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Speaker 1: the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases and Biden's

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Speaker 1: chief health official, went on Face the Nation to face

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Speaker 1: allegations and calls by Senator Ran Paul and Ted Cruz

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Speaker 1: for him to step down and quote be prosecuted over

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Speaker 1: the course of COVID nineteen. Yeah, after the Saint if

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Speaker 1: you happen to Face the Nation, release a tweet about it.

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Speaker 1: Bluementhal responded with an incredibly disturbing video. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: read the tweet. I'm not going to play the video

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Speaker 1: because this guy listening to him is a painful experience.

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Speaker 1: Bluementhal responded, quote Nobel winning inventor of the PCR test,

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Speaker 1: Carrie Molus on Anthony, quote I am the science Fauci quote,

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Speaker 1: and this is from Mollas. Tony Fauci does not mind

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Speaker 1: going on camera in front of the people who pay

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Speaker 1: his salary and lie directly into the camera. By the way,

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Speaker 1: the part where he says lie instead of lying, there

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Speaker 1: to understand how absolutely it absolutely absurd this is we

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Speaker 1: need to talk about who Carrie Burris actually is. So

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Speaker 1: Max Bluemoenthal is correct that Carrie Mollis won the nineteen

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Speaker 1: which is now one of the basic building blocks of biology.

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Speaker 1: Like they let undergrads and college do this stuff, but

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Speaker 1: he is also an enormous crank. Berkeley's alumni magazine wrote

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Speaker 1: a profile of him when he died in twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: They described him like this quote. He'd become a vociferous

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Speaker 1: critic of widely accepted scientific theories, ridiculing the notion that

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Speaker 1: CFCs caused the ozone hole, that humans caused climate change,

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Speaker 1: and that HIV caused aids now Okay, climate change denihilism,

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Speaker 1: I think is something we all understand. The ozone layer

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Speaker 1: stuff is extremely funny. This interviews from the nineties. So

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Speaker 1: in the nineties we were using these things called CFC's,

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Speaker 1: like hairspray and refrigerators and using them tore a hole

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Speaker 1: and the hole fixed itself. So okay, obviously, carry mollis

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Speaker 1: unbelievably and very quickly proven unbelievably wrong. But the last part,

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Speaker 1: the part where carry Mullus claims that HIV does not

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Speaker 1: because it is absolutely monstrous and it is going to

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Speaker 1: give mollos a body cout. Even Kissinger would not in

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Speaker 1: HIV AIDS actually is. So I'm just gonna go to

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Speaker 1: If HIV is not treated, it can lead to AIDS

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Speaker 1: acquired amino deficiency syndrome. There is no effective cure. Once

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Speaker 1: people get HIV, they have it for life, but with

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Speaker 1: proper medical care, HIV can be controlled. People with HIV

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Speaker 1: who get effective HIV treatment can live long, healthy lives

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Speaker 1: and protective partners. And this is something that queer people

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Speaker 1: fought and died for. If you have HIV. There are

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Speaker 1: other hand, if HIV isn't treated, you can get acquired

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Speaker 1: It is what killed so so many, almost an entire

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Speaker 1: He thinks that AIDS is caused by malnutrition in poverty,

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Speaker 1: spreading unbelievably dangerous lies, and this specific lie that HIV

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Speaker 1: It's the you know, it's Berkeley, right like, so some

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Speaker 1: views on AIDS don't just look bad, they may have

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Speaker 1: And here is Max Blumenthal, who was up until very

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Speaker 1: tweeting a video of this fucking guy to attack Anthony

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Speaker 1: Max Bluemandal is tweeting a guy is tweeting a video

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Speaker 1: from an unbelievable right wing crank who were responsible for

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Speaker 1: the question we're going to be answering for the next

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Speaker 1: talk about the rise of American Marxist Leninism. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to try to present the ideology as sympathetically as possible,

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Speaker 1: A lot of the writing about this is clinical and antiseptic,

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Speaker 1: be fair about this. So what is the modern generation

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Speaker 1: of Marxist Leninism. You could start with the history of

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Speaker 1: and America's role in it. They learned the lies we'd

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Speaker 1: about Allende and Pinochet, about Cuba, about the Sandinistas, about

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Speaker 1: American imperialism in Lebanon and Haiti and Guatemala and Honduras

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Speaker 1: But it didn't start that way. The co option of

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Speaker 1: and comprised a series of debates in side the left

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Speaker 1: The solution was to lie. Lies about China, in particular

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