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Speaker 3: I realized we were both like singing but like looking

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Speaker 2: Okay, So we got a nice chalky email from anonymous,

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Speaker 3: Call her mm hmmm pregnant and needing a raise, pregnant Penny.

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Speaker 1: Pregnant Penny.

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Speaker 2: Okay, pregnant Panny says Hi, Mandy and Tiffany, this is

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Speaker 3: First of all, I.

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Speaker 2: Would like to say I love your podcast and habit

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Speaker 2: of the voter listeners is discovering the podcast last year.

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Speaker 2: We love that she's writing for the first time for

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Speaker 2: some career advice. She's been with the same company for

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Speaker 2: With the contract and they were forced to make some

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Speaker 2: other projects or let go all together. Me and Manny

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Speaker 1: That's a lot for part one, many go do part two.

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Speaker 3: I would love to do part two. So part one,

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Speaker 3: she sets us up with what's happening at work right now,

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