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Speaker 1: On today's episode of the Ticket to the Draft podcast,

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Speaker 1: we got Paulson's top fifteen. There are some guys in

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Speaker 1: this group that got the juice. And when we're talking

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Speaker 1: edge rushers, why is it so important that college production

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Speaker 1: matches what we see here at the Senior Bowl. And

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Speaker 1: then the other thing we talk about, which is maybe

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Speaker 1: one of the most important things we're talking about the

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl, is how to watch effective one on ones

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Speaker 1: who's actually winning the rep We give you all that information.

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Speaker 1: It all starts right now. Welcome into the Ticket to

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Speaker 1: the Draft Podcast. I'm Logan Paulson here with Jessic guy Jason.

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Speaker 1: We have day two of the Senior Bowl in the books,

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Speaker 1: and today was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 2: Man. Every day that we're out here, I feel like

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Speaker 2: I get a.

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Speaker 1: Little bit more familiar with the guys, a little bit

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Speaker 1: familiar familiar with the USA dan Quinn saying how they

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Speaker 1: get down And I think we're really starting to get

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Speaker 1: a feel for the personalities, especially in that second group,

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Speaker 1: the American group, but in the for the national group.

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Speaker 1: Today was the first day we got to watch them,

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Speaker 1: watch them. Obviously, we read reports and we talked people

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Speaker 1: about them yesterday, but I'm really excited to kind of

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Speaker 1: talk about what we saw with that national team in

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Speaker 1: the first practice today.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what a day today. It was a little warm,

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Speaker 3: little warm, little warm today. Good thing I learned my

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Speaker 3: lesson from the last few years. Brought some sunscreen, was big.

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Speaker 2: It was big time by you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's a veteran move, right, I'm in that

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Speaker 3: third year. I'm now a veteran, But yeah, I was.

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Speaker 3: I was pretty impressed today. It just felt like today

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Speaker 3: that the guys down on the field, they got their

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Speaker 3: feet under them right the first day from what we

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Speaker 3: watched in practice, just getting their feet wet. And some

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Speaker 3: of the guys that didn't perform as well yesterday performed

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Speaker 3: a little better today. And it just looked like overall

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Speaker 3: everything kind of ramped up. And I would say like

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Speaker 3: including the competition, guys were juiced today.

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Speaker 1: And we're not going to talk too much about the

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Speaker 1: second practice today, but watching the Nash watching the American team,

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Speaker 1: excuse me, in the second practice today with Shamar Stewart

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Speaker 1: and Ivy and some of these guys that are like

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Speaker 1: these big tweeer just the physicality of that group, it

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Speaker 1: was really impressive today and you really felt like again,

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Speaker 1: like guys are getting confident. There was a little bit

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Speaker 1: of chippiness. Guys are talking, kind of talking some smack

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Speaker 1: to each other. You can hear them way up in

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Speaker 1: the stands. You know, there's a big hit today in

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Speaker 1: the second practice. But yeah, it was. It was a

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Speaker 1: lot of fun. Did you you know we don't we're

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Speaker 1: not going to talk about quarterbacks, stam, but did you

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Speaker 1: feel like the quarterbacks settled in it all today?

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Speaker 2: I felt like, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: A little better. There weren't as many just errant throws

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Speaker 3: and I think there was maybe one or two dropped snaps.

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Speaker 2: Much better today, but much better today.

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Speaker 3: And again some of that goes to like some of

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Speaker 3: these guys just don't take snaps under center in college.

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Speaker 3: Is their first time doing it with somebody that they

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Speaker 3: don't know, Yeah, and it's someone takes it just takes time.

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Speaker 3: So there was a lot less It was just getting

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Speaker 3: cleaned up. Right. It's just like when you the first

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Speaker 3: time you go out to practice, it's a little messy,

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Speaker 3: a little dirty. Today it was a little more clean up.

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Speaker 3: I expected to be even more clean tomorrow. And I

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Speaker 3: think the guys started to play a little freer and

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Speaker 3: the competition, I think ramped up because of that, right,

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Speaker 2: You definitely felt that way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so now that they're like there, they feel like that, Okay,

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Speaker 3: we know what this is, we know how this is

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Speaker 3: going to go. We feel more comfortable. Now we can

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Speaker 3: start to really just really let it go, right, And

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Speaker 3: it seems like that's what happened today for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think that's that's one hundred percent right.

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Speaker 1: And again, like there was one drop snap today and

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Speaker 2: I should it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So what we're going to do. You came up

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Speaker 3: names out there, but mostly it's going to be about

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Speaker 3: the first half of practice today, and we're going to

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Speaker 3: give you fifteen names. So get your pens out, get

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Speaker 3: your nope out, and then open up your computer, because

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Speaker 3: go watch the film on these guys because they stood

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Speaker 3: out that So this is Pawson's fifty from the first

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So for me, I'm gonna start it off with

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Speaker 1: talk about was wide receiver Ted Johnson from Morgan. He's

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty six pounds and he's got an

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Speaker 3: Everyone what's gonna compare him to Tank Dell. Everyone's immediately

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Speaker 1: And so I will say he does have elements of

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Speaker 1: and he is. He's very quick, he's got great ball skals,

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Speaker 1: he's got great craft. He's not Tank Dell. He's not

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Speaker 1: that kind of player in terms of movement skill. But

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Speaker 1: they're like, if you were to be like, definitely, if

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Speaker 1: you squinch your eyes, you'd be like, that's Tank Dell's

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Speaker 1: little brother for sure, in terms of how he wins

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Speaker 1: you know, like there's seven on seven and the one

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Speaker 2: And it was a press situation. This is a press corner.

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Speaker 1: And he literally just dropped a smoke bomb and the

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Speaker 1: and he was wide open by ten yards in the

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Speaker 2: In this one on one section.

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Speaker 1: So he's been a guy that is so interesting to

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Speaker 1: talk about because his college film is just okay, like

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Speaker 1: deep crossers, deep posts, that short area stuff doesn't show

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Speaker 3: it's kind of odd what his production is is in

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Speaker 3: college is because he'll just straight disappear in a game

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Speaker 3: like this year against Michigan. One reception for eleven yards.

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Speaker 3: That's it, right.

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Speaker 2: And doesn't really block very well. He's an interesting watch

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Speaker 3: But then he'll go against Penn State in the in

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Speaker 3: you know, I'm a big Penn State fan, and he

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Speaker 3: just lit us up eleven receptions for one eighty one

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure why that is. Maybe it's like you said,

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Speaker 3: the type of team you're playing. But yeah, he's definitely

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Speaker 3: always going to be compared to Tank Deal because of

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Speaker 2: Maybe?

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because Tank Dell is crazy. He's crazy in

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Speaker 1: terms of I think he's a little bit slower than

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Speaker 1: but he is He's very quick. I don't think he

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Speaker 1: his ability to create separation and create space off that

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And I'm not saying he's better than Tank Dell.

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying that, like when those comparisons come up,

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Speaker 3: might be there. All right, who's your next guy? Moving

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Speaker 3: on from ride receiver? Oh by the way, sorry, this

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Speaker 3: is a commander's pod. Do you think that tes Johnson

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Speaker 3: could fall to a later first round or his second round?

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Speaker 3: Like where do you think your draft vout would be

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Speaker 1: That's a great question, and that's where the senior ball

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Speaker 1: becomes like so interesting to talk about because he's definitely

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Speaker 1: not a first round player. But is he a bottom

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Speaker 1: of the second half player?

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Speaker 2: Probably?

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Speaker 1: You know, And when you've got the ability to separate

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Speaker 1: in that Cliff Kingsbury offense, you say to yourself, Man,

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Speaker 1: a guy with that skill set that can win one

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Speaker 2: Versus the safety as your third receiver, that's.

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Speaker 1: Going to be dangerous because basically it's like an ATM,

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Speaker 1: like you're always open, you know, I can always withdraw

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Speaker 1: cash when I need to. And in an offense where

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Speaker 1: it's like we need to be a fishent on third down,

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Speaker 1: we need to be a fishing in the red zone,

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Speaker 1: having a guy you know that that gets how to

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Speaker 1: create space underneath is extremely valuable. So I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: they're going to draft this guy, but I think if

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Speaker 1: you're looking at playmakers and weapons, now, is he does

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Speaker 1: he get down the way the commanders get down. There's

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Speaker 1: other guys we're going to talk about later that I

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Speaker 1: think embody that a little bit more, but I think

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Speaker 1: that could be definitely a very valuable piece to this offense.

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Speaker 3: All Right, who's the next guy you want to touch on?

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna try and say his name, and I

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Speaker 1: feel bad because he's from my school, but Olufimi Ohlufimi

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Speaker 1: oh Dajo and so he's from UCLA.

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Speaker 3: Sounded great to me, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully it sounds good to Oladajo. So he's six six,

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Speaker 1: two and three eights, two hundred and sixty one pounds,

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Speaker 2: He just popped today with a physical violence in one

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Speaker 2: on ones that I was not.

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Speaker 1: Expecting ability to pop, get to extension, violently, pull the

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Speaker 2: I got to go watch these guys now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he finished his career at Boston College. Is one

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Speaker 1: And both these guys are interesting too because as a

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Speaker 1: The level of competition's not there, and that's why the

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Speaker 1: but it just wasn't the finisher's mentality that I was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he had seventeen sacks this year, which is a lot,

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because he does have juice, he's got bursts, like, he's.

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Speaker 3: To these guys, and there are times where he's going

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Speaker 3: every move possible that he has to see if he

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Speaker 3: can win against these guys. And a part of me

438
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Speaker 3: is like, yeah, show off everything you got.

439
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Speaker 2: The other part of me.

440
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Speaker 3: Is, well, that's not working. Yeah, that didn't work. That

441
00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,919
Speaker 3: didn't work. That didn't work. So maybe he just like

442
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Speaker 3: focus on one or two things that win you consistently

443
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Speaker 3: then try and showing off all these flashy things that

444
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Speaker 3: don't always land.

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Speaker 1: And it's kind of funny because Shamar Stewart, the defensive

446
00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,400
Speaker 1: end from Texas A and M in the second practice, uh,

447
00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,080
Speaker 1: really doesn't do any moves. It's like, I'm just a

448
00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:16,840
Speaker 1: power rusher and he'll throw in some different stuff. But

449
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Speaker 1: in terms of guys that have flashed more consistently in

450
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Speaker 1: those passworising situations, like I think we'd both say Samar

451
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Speaker 1: Stewart at this point.

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Speaker 3: Right, yeah, absolutely, yeah, absolutely, yeah.

453
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Speaker 1: So that so that was a guy kind of interesting.

454
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Speaker 1: Not not a bad day necessarily, but definitely I think

455
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Speaker 1: I've been a little underwhelmed with him. And again, there's

456
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Speaker 1: one more day he might come out. And it's interesting

457
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Speaker 1: listening to other shows where they say, oh, I think

458
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Speaker 1: he could take tomorrow off. I think he's shown enough.

459
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Speaker 1: I think he's done it, and I'm like, has.

460
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Speaker 3: He though, like he had one? Well, I don't think so.

461
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Speaker 3: I want to see him. I want to see him

462
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Speaker 3: when consistent. That's still win, especially coming from a school

463
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Speaker 3: like a school that didn't have the competition that he's

464
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Speaker 3: facing right now. So he has one. That's not to

465
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Speaker 3: say that he has one today. He has, yes, but

466
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Speaker 3: let's just a couple more times.

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Speaker 1: And it's the same thing with you know, like receivers,

468
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Speaker 1: like you know TEDS Johnson. The receiver is supposed to

469
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Speaker 1: win this drill. The defensive line is supposed to win

470
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Speaker 1: the pass rush drill. So you should be if you're

471
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Speaker 1: a dominant pass rusher, you should look dominant. And I

472
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Speaker 1: just felt like he had. He's looked good, but not dominant.

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Speaker 1: Maybe let's take a.

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Speaker 3: Mini detour with what you just said there, I want

475
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Speaker 3: to double click on it because we're just like anybody else.

476
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Speaker 3: We're on Instagram reels, we're on Twitter, we're looking at

477
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Speaker 3: the highlights. Step you're taking photos of and seeing what

478
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Speaker 3: gets around. As far as like going viral with a

479
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Speaker 3: play and a lot of it is like the one

480
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Speaker 3: on ones with a receiver and a dB and you said,

481
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Speaker 3: the receivers like meant to win this route? Yes, what

482
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Speaker 3: do you mean by that?

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Speaker 1: So, like, for example, like when you're playing if you're

484
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Speaker 1: a linebacker playing coverage on a running back, if you're

485
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Speaker 1: a safety playing coverage on a tight end, your dB

486
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Speaker 1: playing coverage on a receiver, depending on the split, is

487
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Speaker 1: going to affect your leverage.

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Speaker 2: And what I mean by that is like, let's.

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Speaker 1: Say I am like you're on the offensive left side,

490
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Speaker 1: I'm a defensive back and I'm standing outside of you.

491
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Speaker 1: I'm not standing outside of the outside of you for

492
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Speaker 1: my health. I'm standing outside of you because there's a

493
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Speaker 1: defender in the middle of the.

494
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Speaker 2: Field that is ready to help you, ready to help

495
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Speaker 2: me out.

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Speaker 1: So sometimes, for example, like I see a slot receiver

497
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Speaker 1: versus outside leverage run like a post or like a

498
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Speaker 1: deep cross, and everyone's like, Wow, he's cooked them. He

499
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Speaker 1: beat him. But I'm also like, there is going to

500
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Speaker 1: be a player there. Yeah, there's probably a safety, a

501
00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:30,120
Speaker 1: post safety will standing right there that's going to break

502
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Speaker 1: that ball up. Like so today, for example, they were

503
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Speaker 1: doing ruts with the backs and routs at the backs.

504
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 1: Is just the Wild West, right, they just do whatever

505
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Speaker 1: they want. Like the backs are running all over the place,

506
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Speaker 1: and one of the backs ran to go today up

507
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Speaker 1: the seam and the linebacker coach is like, don't worry

508
00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:45,880
Speaker 1: about it. The safety is right there, and that's that's

509
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Speaker 1: a perfect point, Like you have to when you win.

510
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Speaker 1: I think in one on ones account for some of

511
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Speaker 1: that stuff in terms of defensive structure. So that to

512
00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 1: me is like when I see guys and when you

513
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Speaker 1: see on Instagram, Oh, this dude got cooked.

514
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Speaker 2: Is he running an in.

515
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Speaker 1: Breaker versus outside leverage? Because if he is, he should

516
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Speaker 1: win that one hundred out of one hundred times. And

517
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Speaker 1: there was a guy today that I thought did a

518
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Speaker 1: great job and to give him a shout out.

519
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Speaker 2: Now, Elijah Royo.

520
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Speaker 1: He's the tight end from Miami. He's six ' four,

521
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 1: he's two hundred fifty pounds, really twitchy. He had an

522
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Speaker 1: outbreaking route versus outside leverage.

523
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Speaker 2: Right, So he.

524
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Speaker 1: Shouldn't win that route and was able to with his

525
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Speaker 1: stem and with his his indicator at the top, the

526
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Speaker 1: double stick at the top, break leverage, get outside, this guy,

527
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Speaker 1: draw up PI and catch the football. So to me,

528
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Speaker 1: when I see that, I'm like, that, to me, is

529
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Speaker 1: an excellent rep in one on one.

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Speaker 3: Right, it's understanding the nuances of what you're watching. It's

531
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Speaker 3: not just two guys out on the in the backyard

532
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,959
Speaker 3: lining up against each other, right, it's the defensive player

533
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Speaker 3: is going to play based on the coverage that he

534
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Speaker 3: has in his head to an extent. So there are

535
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Speaker 3: times where like a dB is out there in one

536
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Speaker 3: on ones and the wide receiver catches the ball. But

537
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Speaker 3: I'm like, great coverage, Yeah, right, that's not a loss

538
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Speaker 3: for the dB because he was he was sticky and

539
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Speaker 3: he was pushing them towards where the leverage is. It's like,

540
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Speaker 3: that's exactly what you want.

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Speaker 1: And it's the same thing with the offensive line, right,

542
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:07,360
Speaker 1: It's like that those are the people that are disadvantaged

543
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 1: in this right because if you're an offensive lineman, right,

544
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 1: there is going to be contained. There's a contained element

545
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: to your rush, you have to be in the right

546
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Speaker 1: gap to keep the quarterback in the pocket. And in

547
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: one on ones the guy can just go ever he

548
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Speaker 1: once right, and so you have to defend more elements.

549
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Speaker 1: And in some ways it's good to watch DB's and

550
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Speaker 1: offensive lineman be stressed to this really high level because

551
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Speaker 1: you get to see how they are athletically, and like

552
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Speaker 1: you said, a win in one on ones for a

553
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Speaker 1: dB is different than it is for a receiver or

554
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Speaker 1: for a defensive lineman for example.

555
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and the defensive line. Almost every single defensive lineman

556
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Speaker 3: gets to the quarterback quote unquote yeah in the right

557
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Speaker 3: because the offensive lineman has to hold them for four

558
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Speaker 3: or five seconds. That's never true. And well, I mean

559
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Speaker 3: maybe it's true once or twice in the NFL, but

560
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Speaker 3: mostly you just have to hold it until the quarterback

561
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Speaker 3: gets the ball out quickly right or it makes the

562
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Speaker 3: read tropefully doesn't take four seconds for him to go

563
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Speaker 3: through his progression. So there were a couple of times

564
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Speaker 3: I think we actually had I don't want to see

565
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 3: a debate, but a mini conversation about something where like

566
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Speaker 3: a defender made a spin move and turned around and

567
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Speaker 3: then the offensive lineman this was in the second practice,

568
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Speaker 3: had a nice recovery, came out and got him and

569
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Speaker 3: it was like, oh, what a win by the defensive lineman.

570
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Speaker 3: It's like, was it because the offensive tackle made a

571
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Speaker 3: really nice recovery and that spin move took that edge

572
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 3: rusher out of where the pocket pocket contained was. A

573
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Speaker 3: quarterback would have easily have stepped up to avoid that,

574
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Speaker 3: and the offensive tackle came back to stop it. And

575
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Speaker 3: I think the people down on the field knew that

576
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Speaker 3: because they immediately ran another rep.

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Speaker 1: It was Baron Currell, the defensive end from Texas. He's

578
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Speaker 1: been great, he's been great. And then Emery Jones, the

579
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Speaker 1: right tackle for LSU, who also has played some guard.

580
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Speaker 1: First day struggled a little bit, but I love this

581
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Speaker 1: rep because in one on ones in the practice played

582
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Speaker 1: much better. And then at the end he gets the

583
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Speaker 1: car out versus versus Sorel, who's had a great couple

584
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Speaker 1: of weeks. Yeah, you're saying he beats him to the

585
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Speaker 1: edge and you're like, oh my gosh, what a clean

586
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Speaker 1: win by Sorel. And then I don't know how Mary

587
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Speaker 1: Johns does it because he's not like the quickest footed guy,

588
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: but kicks again, gets himself refit and blocks them up,

589
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Speaker 1: and it kind of caught everybody by surprise.

590
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they were excited by then. So all the defensive

591
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Speaker 3: players obviously they're defensive reading for defense, offense reading for offense.

592
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Speaker 3: All the defensive players immediately yeah right right, But the

593
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Speaker 3: recovery was so fast and quick and surprising. Like you said,

594
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Speaker 3: the offense was like, oh they both thought they won

595
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Speaker 3: the rep. Now most people I think in the stands

596
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Speaker 3: and to me, at first, I immediately went, oh, that's

597
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Speaker 3: a defensive win. But then I took a second, like,

598
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Speaker 3: why is the offense cheering? That went oh, well, if

599
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 3: I'm a quarterback, I'm just stepping.

600
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Speaker 1: Up right, good save, right, and in a one on

601
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Speaker 1: one situation. To me, that's a win for the offensive

602
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Speaker 1: lineman and for the defensive lineman. It needs to be

603
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: clean and it was almost clean. And maybe you didn't

604
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Speaker 1: finish it correctly, maybe you pulled up too early, but

605
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: Emery Jones did a great job getting back in there

606
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 1: and cover right.

607
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,119
Speaker 3: But we digress. My point is is that when you

608
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Speaker 3: watch these uh these clips on uh social media, I

609
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 3: mean maybe they're great plays. I'm not saying all these

610
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 3: are not great plays, and like, watch more film, bro,

611
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 3: I'm not doing that.

612
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Speaker 2: Made me think of way today too, Sorry, because we're talking.

613
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Speaker 1: Samar Stewart, for example, has a great bull rush and

614
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,320
Speaker 1: kind of forces the offensive tackle. I forget who it

615
00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:25,280
Speaker 1: is back into where the quarterback would be the guy

616
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Speaker 1: standing there with the ball, And is it a sack no?

617
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: Is it a pressure yes? So is it a good

618
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 1: job by the tackle sitting a bull yes. Is it

619
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: a great job by Samir Stewart pushing him into the

620
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Speaker 1: quarterback yes? So like to me, that's a double check

621
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Speaker 1: to it, Like I got to see what I wanted

622
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 1: to see from the tackle. I got to see what

623
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Speaker 1: I want to see from him. And could it be better?

624
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: Could he quick win? Yeah for sure? But it's just

625
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: a good, solid competitive rep. Yeah.

626
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 3: It's it's hard to judge these one on ones. You

627
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 3: have to you have to put context into it, right,

628
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 3: And it's not about like there's always a winner and

629
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Speaker 3: a loser out of everyone. You just want to see

630
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,360
Speaker 3: what the guy has, what he doesn't have. You want

631
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: to see how competitive they are and if they're smart. Right,

632
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 3: if they're smart in the sense of like a cornerback

633
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 3: using his leverage a wide receiver using different techniques out

634
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 3: of the break right, Like is he telegraphing his route

635
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 3: or is he making it creating a nice route tree

636
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 3: that makes the cornerback not know which way it's going,

637
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 3: Like it's nuances like that, not whether they caught the

638
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,119
Speaker 3: ball or not, not whether they quote unquote sacked a

639
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 3: quarterback or not. Yeah, that's not what you're looking for.

640
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: No one ready to get back to the fifteen. Yeah, sorry, no, no, no,

641
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 1: that was so that was good though. I think that

642
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: was an important thing to talk about. So I'm going

643
00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 1: to hit a couple offensive linemen here just because you know,

644
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: I do think that I think the offensive line for

645
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: the Commander's played great. But I'm always a big believer

646
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 1: just looking at teams and how they build rosters like Detroit,

647
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 1: San Francisco, Philly is a great example. They're always kind

648
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: of stockpiling talented young players and kind of saying we

649
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: can we're ready for when this player moves on to

650
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: a free agency or this player gets hurt. We've just

651
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: got a nice stable of guys that are going to

652
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,880
Speaker 1: be good professional football players. And so when I look

653
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: it off every time I come to the Senior Bowl,

654
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 1: that's something I really look at because I'm like, if

655
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 1: you're talented, if you're athletic, if you're long and big,

656
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: and you take coaching, well, this could be a really

657
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,959
Speaker 1: a valuable thing. So the first guy on that of

658
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: this kind of offensive line discussion is Marcus Imbo from Perdue.

659
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: He's sixty four and a quarter. He's three and nine pounds,

660
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:24,919
Speaker 1: so not the biggest guy in the world, thirty three

661
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: in charms, and when I watched this film a Perdue,

662
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 1: he is hyper athletic, like hyper great mover, and you're

663
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:35,000
Speaker 1: when I was watching him, like how strong are you?

664
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: Like are you strong enough to sit a bull? How's

665
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: your anchor? Can you get your hands fit? He doesn't

666
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: look like you have long arms. And I actually expect

667
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: him to come here and play some guard and center

668
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 1: with his tremendous kind of quickness and stuff. But he's

669
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: been playing tackle and he's looked really good, and I

670
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: think he's a guy that strikes me. He had a

671
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: day to get a rep today against Mike Green and

672
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: sat a really aggressive bowl by Mike Green. Really anchored

673
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: down in there, locked him up, worklifted under there, and

674
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 1: that's something he didn't show up produce. So just to

675
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: see that level of strength, that level of technique from him,

676
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: I thought was really quite fantastic. And so again a

677
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: guy that has some flexibility along all five spots. But

678
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: it's nice to see him playing tackle because he played

679
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: right tackle at Purdue, played left tackle today.

680
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: And had a great rep.

681
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: The next guy is Jonah Manheim, and this guy was weird.

682
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: So when I looked at his measurables, we talked about,

683
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: you know, the Paulson what is it, puls and paranormals. Yeah,

684
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: and this guy was the opposite of that. So he's

685
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: six ' four and a quarter, he's three oh seven,

686
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: he's got thirty and five eighths inch arms and he

687
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: plays tackle at USC and so thirty inch arms is

688
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,960
Speaker 1: like a true just straight fail. Like I would, you know,

689
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: like can you play football in the NFL because the

690
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: length of these guys is so crazy. So the senior

691
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: world did a great job. They said, you're not playing

692
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: attacking to play guard, and I wasn't sure about. It's

693
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: always interesting watching tackles move from tackle to guard because

694
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: you're dealing with a bigger guy, more kind of power

695
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: on the interior. And like so a guy that struggled

696
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 1: with that is whyatt Tillim Why at Tilam is that

697
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 1: his name from West Virginia. Yeah, he's had a really

698
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:13,239
Speaker 1: hard time on the interior, but Mannheim is not. And

699
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 1: I've been really impressed with his trunk strength, Like he's

700
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: just the power through the middle of his body, ability

701
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: to deal with these heavier rushers, settle his feet. He's

702
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: got a nice quick burst And I don't know if

703
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: he's ever going to be a starting guard in the NFL,

704
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,520
Speaker 1: but definitely strikes me as a guy who would be

705
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: a really effective swing player, like a Nick Gates plus

706
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: in terms of athleticism that kind of mentality. But the quickness,

707
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: the power, the ability to anchor even when you're not

708
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: fit with your hands is extremely impressive to me.

709
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 2: And I just had to give a shout.

710
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 3: Out, what do you mean by the trunk? Like I

711
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 3: understand you mean like the core and all that, But

712
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 3: when you say like a trunk, you're using that word specifically.

713
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 3: What are you trying to communicate?

714
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: So basically, like when you're sitting a bull or a

715
00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: power rush, there's I want to see how basically your

716
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: like your adductors, like the inside of your legs connect

717
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: to your pelvis and how you're reckt as abdominant or

718
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: your abs keep your rib cage and your pelvis connected, right,

719
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: so it should look like one piece basically.

720
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: Right.

721
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: When you see someone with a bad trunk, you see

722
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: like I'm going to call it like a looseness, right.

723
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: You see their torso kind of open up, they kind

724
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: of shift back. They can't anchor in their hips and

725
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: they just get pushed back or they lean forward. Then

726
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: they're susceptible to the push. Poll Monheim was kind of

727
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 1: like the opposite. Right, you push on him, he sinks

728
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: perfectly down. You try to pull him. He's strong enough

729
00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: in that again, that kind of mid section trunk area

730
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: of his body to fight the poll, stay fit, keep

731
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: his keep his balance, and that was just extremely impressive.

732
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: And there's a couple other guys. The guard from Sacramento

733
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: Sacramento State Slater, very similar to the guard from NDSU,

734
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: also did that, you know.

735
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 2: And so when you see.

736
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 1: Three guys that kind of have that strength and that

737
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: foot speed to go with it, you're like, man, these

738
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: guys that to me for guard is like minimum threshold.

739
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 2: Right. If you see those things, you can play some

740
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: football at the next level.

741
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 3: Speaking of the Sacramento State guy, he's on our list,

742
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 3: so jack said Slater, go ahead.

743
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jackson Slatter, he's a second practice guy and him

744
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: and so I'm gonna put him and the guard from

745
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,840
Speaker 1: NDSU North Dakota State in there as well. But small

746
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:29,400
Speaker 1: school guys, both of them incredibly physical, incredible, incredibly snappy,

747
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: and incredibly tough. And then the things we just talked

748
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: about with Mannheim, they bring that same thing, but they

749
00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: have the length, they have the weight, they have these

750
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 1: other elements that come to their game. And I just

751
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: for two small school guys coming to this event and

752
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: kind of stamping it and saying, hey, I deserve to

753
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: be here, I deserve to be drafted. And again they

754
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: might be fourth round draft picks. I don't think so.

755
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: I think the NDSU guys specifically is going to be

756
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: a third round pick, just with how well he's played

757
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: in these couple of weeks or these two days. Excuse me,

758
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: but both those guys, the mid section, strength, the foot speed,

759
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: the hand dexterity, all those things seemed to be there.

760
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: And so it's also when a small school guy.

761
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Speaker 2: Both of them.

762
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: Played tackle, played left tackle for their small school Sacramento

763
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: State and North Dakota State. For them to be here

764
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: and playing so well in the interior, along with Monheim,

765
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: they can all kind of go in that same bucket

766
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: of player.

767
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, and for just Jackson Slater being at Sacramento State,

768
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 3: much like much like Mike Green right, you want to

769
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 3: see the stats line up or the production in college

770
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 3: lineup with what you're seeing here.

771
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 2: You see the guy that didn't give up a sack.

772
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 3: He didn't give up a sack or a QB hit this,

773
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 3: which is wild. His first team All American. He wasn't

774
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 3: actually originally invited to play at the Shrine Shrine Bowl,

775
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 3: but then Scoon it over here. I guess the Senior

776
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 3: Bowl was like, hey, come on over and maybe a

777
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 3: little higher caliber talent, let's see what you can do.

778
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 3: And he was like, bet I'm there. And he showed up.

779
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 1: He did and he's done a job, and he was

780
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: I think he weighed like three hundred pounds in college.

781
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: He came in at three twenty. It looks like it's

782
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: good weight. He looks strong, looks powerful. So I'm really

783
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: glad that he came here instead of his Senior Bowl

784
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 1: because I think it's going to be a great opportunity

785
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:12,319
Speaker 1: for him to show up.

786
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 3: All right, how many do we have left now? One

787
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 3: or two? I think we have two more left here.

788
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: With the offensive lineman.

789
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, all right, let's knock it out.

790
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: So then those are guards and interior players that I

791
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 1: think just just deserve to shout out. You know, Marcus Imbo,

792
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: I think he is going to play guard probably at

793
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: the next level, but did great job in terms of tackle.

794
00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: These next two guys I think are in the first

795
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 1: practice specifically have done the best job at tackle. Obviously

796
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 1: Josh Connory's done a great job, but I think there's

797
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,359
Speaker 1: been a little bit inconsistency to his play strength. So

798
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,320
Speaker 1: the guy that jumps out to me is Jalen Travis.

799
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:50,000
Speaker 1: We talked about him yesterday in like the Paulson's Paranormals

800
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: or whatever.

801
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 2: He's six seven and five eighths, so bad.

802
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 3: Whatever, I was very happy with coming on.

803
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:55,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

804
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: So, but he's six ' eight, he's three forty one,

805
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 1: he's got thirty four and a half inch arms, and

806
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: he moves significantly better than he did on tape at

807
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,240
Speaker 1: Iowa State, and so his ability to get in front

808
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: of those really talented edg rushers. Just we just talked

809
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: about Mike Green, Ola dj as Araku, right and really

810
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 1: just kind of negate their effectiveness. That got me juiced

811
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 1: up because everybody looks a little bit stressed out by

812
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: those guys, and he, for whatever reason, I don't. I

813
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: think it's probably due because he's so huge and he's

814
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,839
Speaker 1: got good feet, was just able to kind of stay

815
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: in front and make it happen. So I really really

816
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: liked what I saw from him. I liked his ability

817
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: to change direction. Again, there's tomorrow's a new day. But

818
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 1: he's a guy that no one's really talking about nationally,

819
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,959
Speaker 1: but I think they probably should be talking about because

820
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,920
Speaker 1: of his ability to move and use his length and

821
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: use his size to negate these hyper athletic pass rushers

822
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: that he's seen.

823
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 3: All right, And the last offensive tackle before we.

824
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: Move on, yeah, Anthony Belton. And this is where it's like,

825
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: it's it's fun to do like the projection game.

826
00:35:59,719 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 2: Right.

827
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 1: So he's from NC State, six ' five and three

828
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: eighths three forty five is the heaviest offensive lineman here.

829
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: He's he's got thirty four and five inchins arms, so

830
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: basically thirty five inch arms and on film is extremely

831
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: sloppy with his technique, kind of all over the place,

832
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 1: kind of wonder about his top end athleticism. But today,

833
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: for example, Mike Green hit a spin move on him

834
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: and I thought, oh, he's dust because he's not gonna

835
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: be able to adjust and his you know, dancing bare

836
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 1: body just slid right in front and washed it flat.

837
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: And I thought, that is what it's when you're watching

838
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 1: one on one pass pro with a tackle. Anybody can

839
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: vertical set like like that's like day one install stuff, right,

840
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: But when you can redirect on an inside move on

841
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: a spin move, and it's never going to be pretty,

842
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: you're never going to shut it down completely. But when

843
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: you can wash it flat, that's a great job. So

844
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: for a guy that big, and then you when you

845
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: watch him in team period, he again is like a

846
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: little bit all over the place in terms of his technique.

847
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: But we're we're we sit Jay, so we sit probably

848
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty rows up. We sit in the kind of

849
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: upper bowl so we can see both things happening at

850
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: the same time, both one on ones. Yeah, in team period,

851
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 1: he had a down block, I got a power pushed

852
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 1: the three technique or the four eye all the way

853
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: down inside and then just with like a forearm shiver,

854
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: like almost decapitated the linebacker. He wasn't low, he wasn't

855
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 1: He just was explosive and violent. And when you see

856
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: a guy of that kind of size, you say, if

857
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: you're looking for a tackle, if you get him with

858
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: the right coach, can this guy be the guy? And

859
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: I feel like with both those guys, I would say,

860
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: and Josh connerly obviously, but Josh Connelly's going to be

861
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 1: first round pick. Privately, those guys I just think deserve

862
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,320
Speaker 1: a shout out based on today's performance.

863
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I just pulled up his PFF real quick

864
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,319
Speaker 3: to see if any of this backs up what you're saying,

865
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 3: And of course it does because you're so good at this.

866
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:53,439
Speaker 3: But his true pass set so true passeet for those

867
00:37:53,480 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 3: that don't know what that means, that means this is

868
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 3: clearly a pass It's it's not an RPO, it's not

869
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,280
Speaker 3: play action, no, not play The quarterback is throwing this ball.

870
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 3: So his true pass set class pass block. Great man,

871
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 3: that's a mouse is grade here in these true pass sets?

872
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: Was it eighty two point three this year? That is

873
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 3: ninety eight percent time?

874
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: Is it really? Yes? So wow?

875
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 3: And when they're throwing the ball, you couldn't get by him.

876
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,200
Speaker 1: That gets me juiced up, man, because again he's all

877
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: over the place, his hands aren't great, and you're but

878
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: he just is a big athletic dude. And so when

879
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: I see big athletic dudes planet theory.

880
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 2: He bides by it.

881
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: Both those guys circle him maybe you know, late second,

882
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: early third round kind of picks.

883
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 2: So keep those guys get me really juiced up.

884
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 3: All right, let's move on. We're going back to the

885
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,760
Speaker 3: skill positions. Let's do a DBI and a wide receiver

886
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 3: again here for you.

887
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, so aziy and is that going to say that.

888
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're going to figure these out by the com.

889
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that that's close. So I've heard of the

890
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: osra Hey Thomas from Florida State. He is six to

891
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: one and a half, he's hundred ninety one pounds, he's

892
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: got thirty two and a half inch arms. So for

893
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: a corner, that's huge. And so you expect a huge

894
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,959
Speaker 1: corner to look a certain way and move a certain way.

895
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: And with corners that size and really any corner, you're

896
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: looking for a guy that can just effortlessly attached to

897
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: the receiver. I'm not going to freak out. I'm not

898
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 1: gonna grab. I'm gonna get nice and sticky. I can

899
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: when it's time to open and turn, I open and

900
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:26,919
Speaker 1: turn without losing any speed. It's something we talked about

901
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 1: at the Combine last year a little bit. When they

902
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,399
Speaker 1: do that backpedal to transition drill, how stiff are you?

903
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 1: And someone highlighted him yesterday and I was like, I'm

904
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: just going to watch a couple of his reps and

905
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: I'll be darned if the first rest I watched, I

906
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: wasn't like, I didn't even know it was him.

907
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 2: That's the other thing. He was like, who the heck

908
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: is that guy?

909
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: And I opened my book found the number, and I

910
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: was like, oh my gosh, that was the best man

911
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: coverage rep I've seen here at the Senior Bowl. And

912
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 1: you get to watch him. He does a great job

913
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 1: down and down out. He's hyper competitive, he's long. I

914
00:39:58,000 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: will say he was the call out for tes John

915
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: and he absolutely lost Johnsin absolutely lost him. But that's

916
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: one rep. But I think on the whole, when you

917
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: look at his movement skills, how he tracks the football,

918
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:12,319
Speaker 1: how competitive is a catch point. You're like, if there's

919
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: a dude here that could go in the first round,

920
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 1: it feels like that guy. There's another guy in the

921
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: second group. We'll talk about him probably tomorrow, but that

922
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: guy feels special based on movement. And when you see corners, right,

923
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: you want to see tackles block in one on one situation.

924
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: You want to see guards do the same thing corners.

925
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: You want to see them a manta man. And I

926
00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: feel like this guy has answered that ringing bell multiple

927
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: times with really high quality reps.

928
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 2: And is the ball getting completed? Sure?

929
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: Sometimes, but that's part of life playing defensive back.

930
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's tough to figure out defensive backs with stats,

931
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 3: like just looking at stats, because I'll give you an

932
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 3: example for him. He has only one interception this year, right, Well,

933
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 3: maybe they don't throw the ball his way because the

934
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 3: year before he had ten pass breaking right like he

935
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 3: was so he was all over. So it's like, all right,

936
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 3: we're not going to throw your way. And then the

937
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 3: thing that I like just looking up his stats that

938
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 3: I like about him those he was second on his

939
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 3: team attacking and tackles quarterback, right, So this guy will

940
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 3: go he's he's he's aggressive, he's a gamer, right, So yeah,

941
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 3: he may give up, he may give up a catch

942
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 3: here or there. He's not going to be a ballhawk

943
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,040
Speaker 3: like we've seen other corners come into the league. That's

944
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:28,879
Speaker 3: one of maybe one of the main reasons they move

945
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 3: up the boards because they're ballhawks. This guy shuts it

946
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 3: looks like shuts people down to the point they don't

947
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 3: throw the ball his way. And he's going to get

948
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 3: involved and probably the run game. That's what the tackle say.

949
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: And so when I figure guys that fit the Commander's mold,

950
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: and I think he fits a lot of molds for

951
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 1: the NFL. But like having a guy that's willing to

952
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: tackle like that with his body type and he's kind

953
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: of put together. Well again, I haven't watched a ton

954
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 1: of dbs, but he's a guy that I am incredibly

955
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,919
Speaker 1: excited to watch after watching him today at the Senior

956
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: ball All right.

957
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 3: Let's talk about a wide receiver. This is one that

958
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 3: I'm actually pretty hyped about.

959
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jalen Noel nine, three hundred and four nine and

960
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: three quarters one hundred and ninety six pounds. Interesting dude,

961
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: because I thought at iowas eight he'd be a slot receiver.

962
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 1: He's hyper quick, he runs a lot of choices, runs

963
00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: a lot of angles, and it's kind of like when

964
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: he's here at the Senior Bowl, he was like, no,

965
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play outside receiver and show you that I

966
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 1: can be a true zero X. And so he has

967
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: some really excellent outside reps outside today where he's kind

968
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 1: of running by people, the balls overthrown, he runs a

969
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: great comeback with a nice little indicator at the beginning

970
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: of the route and a great stem, and I was

971
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: just like, in terms of impressive, right, he's just been

972
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 1: a guy that stood out for his running ability, his

973
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:46,320
Speaker 1: ability to consistently create separation. Not to the same level

974
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 1: as Tees Johnson, but in some ways it's been more

975
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: impressive because he's done it outside kind of where the

976
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,839
Speaker 1: big boys like to play, where I thought he would

977
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 1: kind of live as an inside slot player. More so

978
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 1: watching him has been really cool. And again to see

979
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,959
Speaker 1: his physicality and kind of his build, and he's he's

980
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: not a big guy, but he kind of reminds you

981
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: a little bit of like Santana Moss. You know, that shorter,

982
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: muscular kind of guy that can really roll and is

983
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: really fast. I don't know what he's gonna run, but

984
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: he looks like a fourth high fourth three low four

985
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: four type guy to me on film. So he's a

986
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 1: guy that I was really impressed with, that competitive dog

987
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:23,880
Speaker 1: to kind of say, hey, you think I'm just a

988
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,240
Speaker 1: slot guy at the NFL level, No, I can do more.

989
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: And when you look at value for receivers, and this

990
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 1: is where Ted Johnson's value gets a little bit weird.

991
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: You say how high would you take a pure slot player,

992
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 1: And most of the time people say I wouldn't take

993
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: it before the fifth the fourth round because they're not

994
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: on the field enough. Here is a guy who's saying, oh, yeah,

995
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: well look at me. I can do whatever you need

996
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: me to do and be very successful at it as

997
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: a receiving As a receiver.

998
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, and super productive at Iowa State. He is second

999
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 3: all time at Iowa State and receptions he has two

1000
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,280
Speaker 3: hundred and forty five of those, fourth in school history.

1001
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 3: With two thousand and andrew and fifty five receiving yards and

1002
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 3: eighteen touchdowns.

1003
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 2: In his career though, oh dang.

1004
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 3: And then he racks up the all purpose yards, which

1005
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: is I think where also the Santana Moss cop comes in.

1006
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,840
Speaker 3: He was great on punt returns, Like, so he's a

1007
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 3: dynamic player that they try and get the ball in

1008
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 3: his hands.

1009
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:23,239
Speaker 1: And there's very few receivers here that feel like NFL receivers,

1010
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. Like, there are guys

1011
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 1: that will play in the NFL that will be good

1012
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: NFL players, but in terms of a guy that you

1013
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: could kind of build an offense around, he feels like

1014
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: he's got an elements of that. I still think he's

1015
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: got a little bit of ways to go, but he

1016
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,360
Speaker 1: does feel like he could do some stuff where you're like, Okay,

1017
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: your special you run well, you can make the contested catch,

1018
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: you can win on the perimeter, which again is a

1019
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: huge credit to him and the other guy from the

1020
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: same school, Jalen Higgins, is also from Iowa State, a

1021
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,040
Speaker 1: little bigger at a really nice day to day, but

1022
00:44:56,200 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: both those guys feel like, along with Xavier stro that

1023
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: they're the best receivers here. Yeah, and all those dudes

1024
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: are in the first group. So when you look at

1025
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: the skill position players for the afternoon, you're kind of like,

1026
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 1: these guys are fine, but there's nobody that kind of

1027
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: catches your eye the way those three players.

1028
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, and with an average catch of fourteen point nine yards,

1029
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 3: that's basically fifteen yards this season, and that's when eighty receptions.

1030
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 3: Big play threat, no doubt, Logan, this is your favorite position.

1031
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 3: I can't imagine why, but it's the tight end. And

1032
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 3: we got three tight ends we want to talk about

1033
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 3: around this conversation.

1034
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 1: Yes, and then we're going to talk about them all

1035
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: kind of together on one lump. But I just wanted

1036
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: to bring these three guys up because we've been coming

1037
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: to this.

1038
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: This is our third year at the Senior Bowl, right,

1039
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: this is the best group.

1040
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: And when you're talking about playmakers, you just talked about

1041
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: three receivers that are playmakers, but when you look at

1042
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,280
Speaker 1: the tight ends, you're like, there are playmakers in this group.

1043
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,320
Speaker 2: And it speaks to I think.

1044
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 1: The composition of this year's draft class and saying that

1045
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: the tight end position is special. This year, you're probably

1046
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: gonna have two in the first round a third Mike

1047
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: creep in there, depending on how you view Elijah Arroyo

1048
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: from Miami what his role is in your offense. But

1049
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: but yeah, so let's just talk about those guys. Let's

1050
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 1: start with a Royo. He's from Miami. He's six ' four,

1051
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: he's two fifty.

1052
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 2: He played.

1053
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 1: He competes in line. He's not great in line, but

1054
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 1: he competes in line. But he's really special in my

1055
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: opinion as a route runner. And I think we're going

1056
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: to talk about three guys here that are all a

1057
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,359
Speaker 1: little bit different as route runners, but they all find

1058
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 1: ways to win. He's very sudden. He's like a big

1059
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: white out, you know, he's like a big white out.

1060
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: He's violent at the top of his routes. He can

1061
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,439
Speaker 1: really sink his hips. He's got a nice suddenness to him,

1062
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: and he catches the ball.

1063
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 2: Like a receiver. So he can win vertically.

1064
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: He can win in the intermediate And think about guys

1065
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: that can do that at the NFL level, like they're

1066
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: extremely valuable, Like they just have a playmaking ability. They

1067
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:50,359
Speaker 1: can attack the seam. Think about what zach Ertz did

1068
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: for the Commanders this year. I don't want to say

1069
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:54,560
Speaker 1: he's a replacement for zach Ertz, but that's kind of

1070
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: what he feels like in terms of a guy with

1071
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:57,240
Speaker 1: that skill set.

1072
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 3: How would you feel if like we were, well, where

1073
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 3: would you have to draft them? Because tight ends are

1074
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,440
Speaker 3: starting to move up up draft boards these days, especially

1075
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 3: with what we saw from guys like Sam Laporta and

1076
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 3: last year definitely with Brock Bowers like the importance of

1077
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 3: a good tight end starting to move up draft boards.

1078
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:17,320
Speaker 3: Do you think that he's second round, third round?

1079
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: Is? I think he feels like a second round player

1080
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: To me, he feels like, if you're desperate, maybe bottom

1081
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Speaker 1: of the first Like, Okay, that's the kind of athlete

1082
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 1: you're dealing with. Him and the next guy we're going

1083
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 1: to talk about. I think are both in the same

1084
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 1: category after watching them today, Okay, And so I do

1085
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: think because they're not. Don't think of him as a

1086
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: tight end, think of them as an offensive weapon. Think

1087
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: of them about their ability to create matchups. Think about

1088
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 1: Zach in the Philadelphia game. You have a matchup, he

1089
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 1: can win that matchup consistently for you. And I'm not

1090
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,720
Speaker 1: saying this guy can do this today in the NFL,

1091
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 1: but he's got a skill set that gets you there.

1092
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: You know that you kind of say, oh, okay, in

1093
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: a man and man situation on third and five, Arroyo.

1094
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: If he develops as the athletic tools to do that,

1095
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: So I think there is more value there and especially

1096
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: in a week wide receiver class.

1097
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 2: We just talked about those.

1098
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: There's only three guys here that are kind of like

1099
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: they've got some juice to him, kind of exciting players.

1100
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: That's I think we're very reflective of the entire receiver

1101
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:16,280
Speaker 1: class this year, right.

1102
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 3: And what better place to develop than behind Zacher.

1103
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:20,359
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, that'd be great.

1104
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 1: I mean it would be so cool for him, and

1105
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: I kind of see these guys in a very similar way.

1106
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: The other guy is Terrence Ferguson from Oregon. He's six

1107
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: four and five eight, so basically six five, he's like

1108
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: two hundred and forty five pounds, got this kind of lanky.

1109
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: Basketball player build.

1110
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: And so Arroyo wins like, you know, very deliberate sharp cuts,

1111
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,000
Speaker 1: and Terrence Ferguson wins in kind of this think of

1112
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,399
Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey. Kind of I understand space, I understand how

1113
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 1: to work a speed cut really well. I understand kind

1114
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: of gradual stems at the beginning of my route less

1115
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: sudden to kind of help me break leverage. And he

1116
00:48:56,200 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 1: catches the football so incredibly naturally, like it's just easy

1117
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,120
Speaker 1: for him. He's tall, he moves like he kind of

1118
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,440
Speaker 1: snakes through the defense, and both of them are okay

1119
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: in line. I think Terrence has more upside because the

1120
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: physical frame, right, he's a bigger guy. We could develop

1121
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: more in that area. But when you say these guys

1122
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,719
Speaker 1: have that kind of factor to say they can be

1123
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,799
Speaker 1: weapons in an offense, and talk about both of them

1124
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 1: learning under a guy like zach Ertz, that would be

1125
00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 1: really incredible. So just I got to give him a

1126
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 1: shout out. You know, Terrence won. Terrence Ferguson won the

1127
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: call out today between you know, at the end of

1128
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: the first national practice today, one in a man and

1129
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,839
Speaker 1: man situation, caught the ball, got up points big first down,

1130
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 1: you know, like you can see the juice, you can

1131
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:41,919
Speaker 1: see the excitement. Arroyo had a great catch today too,

1132
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: ran one of the best out routes you'll see ever.

1133
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: And so both those guys deserve a shout out, no, no.

1134
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 3: Doubt, Yeah, absolutely, it's I think that we need to

1135
00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 3: stop looking at tight ends as anything but offensive weapons.

1136
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 3: Now that's just the way the league's been going.

1137
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 2: Not everybody's like that, right, And there was a guy.

1138
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:03,600
Speaker 3: There was a guy here today that was not like that.

1139
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 3: He was very logan Paulson.

1140
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 2: Asked in the mirror.

1141
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 3: But just but you know what, there's gonna be a

1142
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 3: place for him, Someone's going to see him here and

1143
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 3: to go, okay, you are just you want to get nasty.

1144
00:50:16,800 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 3: In fact, they did the one on ones at the

1145
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 3: end and he was up and they were like, oh,

1146
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 3: tight end's coming up.

1147
00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 2: And then he said set because he did a blocking.

1148
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 3: Rep instead of instead of a route the other tight

1149
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 3: end standard Jackson Hawes. What a Logan Paulson move.

1150
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,600
Speaker 1: And I remember I was watching this film and I

1151
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 1: was like, you know the Spider Man meme where you're

1152
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: pointing and he's pointing, and you're like, we are the

1153
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: same thing because he's physical, he finishes like he think

1154
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,920
Speaker 1: like you're John Bates type guy. And again not maybe

1155
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: the same draft value as those other guys we just

1156
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: talked about, but.

1157
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 2: A guy who's really good.

1158
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,440
Speaker 1: And then I got to talk about Harrold fannin Junior,

1159
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 1: the guy from Bowling Green. He moves in such an

1160
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: odd way, he's like so tight in his he's got

1161
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: this long back and I was like, there's no way

1162
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 1: this plays, Like, there's no possible way that this plays.

1163
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: At the Senior Bowl, guys are just going to be

1164
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:11,160
Speaker 1: too good. But you see his craftiness, you see his

1165
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 1: ability to restem, you see his ability to accelerate away

1166
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: from defenders. I still don't think he's like a second

1167
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: round guy, but I after watching him today run a

1168
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,719
Speaker 1: couple corners, really just dice people up with his kind

1169
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: of vertical horsepower and speed. I thought there might be

1170
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: somebody out there feels away. And again, this is the

1171
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: guy that broke the all time I think it was

1172
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: the all time NCAA record for receptions or something like that, one.

1173
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 3: Hundred and seventeen receptions this year for one five and

1174
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 3: fifty five yards and ten touchdowns. That dude was balling.

1175
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 2: Dude was balling.

1176
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: And again he moves in this he's like kind of

1177
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,880
Speaker 1: duck footed. His hips are crazy tight, his ankles are

1178
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: crazy tight, and you're like, what can you do at

1179
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: the next level? But seeing him beat some you know,

1180
00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 1: and these guys are maybe not going to be starting

1181
00:52:00,040 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: NFL caliber dbs, but beating NFL dbs in a demonstrative way.

1182
00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: I just thought those three dudes from the first group

1183
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: deserved a big shout out because it's like, damn, we

1184
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: have We've been coming for a long time. And we

1185
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: haven't seen tight ends win that consistently, and so in

1186
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,280
Speaker 1: a draft, it makes sense. The strengths of the draft

1187
00:52:18,320 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: are defensive line, tight end, running back. It definitely is

1188
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: reflected down here at the Senior Bowl.

1189
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're in they're in his bowling green. Excuse me,

1190
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:32,840
Speaker 3: in their bowling green versus it was Arkansas State. It

1191
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 3: was their bowl game this year. I mean the offense

1192
00:52:35,480 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 3: was him. He had seventeen receptions for two y thirteen yards.

1193
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 3: That's crazy, I mean that's it was him.

1194
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:41,479
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they.

1195
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:45,360
Speaker 3: Couldn't stop them. And again, small school, like we mentioned before,

1196
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,839
Speaker 3: Bowling Green. The stats are there, the productions here, can

1197
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 3: you do it here? Looks like you can. Yeah, so,

1198
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 3: which is exciting.

1199
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, if you look, if you're looking for a

1200
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: tight end this year that as a playmaker like I

1201
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:58,200
Speaker 1: would almost put him in that bucket. Now, I think

1202
00:52:58,200 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: I need to see one more day because I was

1203
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 1: so after watching film.

1204
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying he wasn't a productive, great college

1205
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 2: football player, but just does it.

1206
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: Remember with the combine and the draft and the tape watching,

1207
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: it's all about projection. So when you watch Arroyo, you

1208
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,520
Speaker 1: see it's easy it's like, oh, yeah, this is his role.

1209
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: Terrence Ferguson. You see the role with Harreld Finag and

1210
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:20,320
Speaker 1: you're like, what is your actual role? But if you

1211
00:53:20,360 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 1: can win that way consistently, then you're like, all right,

1212
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: I don't care how it looks. You're doing it consistently.

1213
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 1: Let's reward that with some value.

1214
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 3: So if you were keeping count, that's your top fifteen.

1215
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: Ish. We did a little little little detour.

1216
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's your top fifteen from the first half

1217
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,319
Speaker 3: of practice today. So real quickly before we go, and

1218
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 3: I mean real quickly, just a couple of names from

1219
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,200
Speaker 3: the second half of practice that's worth throwing out. They

1220
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 3: had good days. They deserve shout outs.

1221
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I'm going to give you six names real quick.

1222
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:50,319
Speaker 1: So Walter Nolan, he's been an absolute monster playing three

1223
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: technique from Old Miss. I mean looks like that kind

1224
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: of pass rushing three technique interior player. Baron Sorell, the

1225
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: ed rusher from Texas. I mean, he's not maybe this

1226
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: high end ceiling of some of these other guys, but

1227
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 1: has just shown up every day, been incredibly consistent, wins, reps,

1228
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: tough in the run game. Jackson Slater, we talked about

1229
00:54:08,560 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: him with the offensive line. He's in the second group.

1230
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: IVY from Old Miss. He reminds me so much of Sherman.

1231
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,720
Speaker 1: Like he's tall, he's six ' five, he's two eighty.

1232
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,839
Speaker 1: He plays inside outside, and they move similar they kind

1233
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:27,640
Speaker 1: of play with similar power. I think Sherman has a

1234
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,319
Speaker 1: little bit more up, a little bit more horsepower. But

1235
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: when I say, man, if this guy's in the second

1236
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: round and you're picking at what are they picking, you know,

1237
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: thirty or whatever like that seems like tremendous value there.

1238
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:41,279
Speaker 2: So really really been impressed with him.

1239
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: And again, like people aren't talking about him, but he's

1240
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: really jumped out to me in terms of his consistency

1241
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 1: playing the run, rushing the passer, doing all those things.

1242
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 1: Eugenis Sante, linebacker from Auburn. A little bit undersize, but

1243
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 1: can rip to the football. Man does great in the

1244
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:56,879
Speaker 1: one on once from a coverage standpoint, and when I'm

1245
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: evaluating linebackers, that's like my number one thing great. And

1246
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: then Jalen Royals from Utah State. I think he won

1247
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 1: every single one on one today after struggling big time yesterday.

1248
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 1: Had to give him a shout out. Had a great

1249
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,399
Speaker 1: job that's awesome. Logan, dude, that's a lot of names.

1250
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 3: That's a lot of names, but that's all. That's why,

1251
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 3: that's why you're the what did the what did Fred

1252
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:24,000
Speaker 3: call you today? Or the No, Fred wouldn't give you an.

1253
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 2: Alleyte It wasn't him. Who was It was Brian?

1254
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 3: Oh, Brian Colbert. You called you the prospect professor. Yeah, yeah,

1255
00:55:30,560 --> 00:55:32,240
Speaker 3: Paulson the prospect professor.

1256
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 2: There we go.

1257
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:37,000
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I like draft Google because you are. You're

1258
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,800
Speaker 3: excellent at this former tight end ten years in the league.

1259
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 3: You know what you're talking about. You know what you're

1260
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,040
Speaker 3: looking for. I learned so much from you. This is

1261
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:45,919
Speaker 3: so much fun. The Senior Bowl is so much fun.

1262
00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 3: And tomorrow will be our last one, last practice. We'll

1263
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 3: have one more podcast. Then we'll do a podcast potentially

1264
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,919
Speaker 3: weekly up until the Combine. Then we'll do the same

1265
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,040
Speaker 3: thing we did at the Combine, one every day and

1266
00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 3: then weekly until the draft, and then we'll do the draft.

1267
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 3: So don't go anywhere, listeners, like more of this will

1268
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,759
Speaker 3: be coming this entire process. We love it. We're gonna

1269
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 3: have special guests. I got one booked for it tomorrow,

1270
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 3: So tune in tomorrow to figure out who that's gonna be.

1271
00:56:12,680 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 3: You're gonna love him. He's great. He's been on several times.

1272
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 3: He's really good. So yeah, let's sign off here from

1273
00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 3: this mobile Alabama, the Senior Bold Daytue Brett.

1274
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 2: That's it.