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Speaker 2: I would expect a awesome attendance, a very physical, spirited

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Speaker 1: the years, and yeah, it's just a different vibe to everything.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, go ahead, I said they were doing things

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Speaker 2: It's not like it's dead dead around here, but it's

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The field staff has to stay on top of

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Speaker 1: Some some NFL news, Alvin Kamara suspended three games for

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Speaker 2: I mean, originally it was going to be speculation was

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And they could also drafted Kendre Miller in the

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Speaker 2: Those three games don't seem that daunting.

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Speaker 1: No, it does not. Also, what Matt and you sent

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Speaker 1: me this we got the uh Aaron Schatz's Football Almanac.

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Speaker 2: Right formerly known as the Football Outsider Almanac. But I

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Speaker 2: read the Steeler chapter. That's as far as I've gotten.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, In fact, I expect to see it more than

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Speaker 1: or if they go lower in that. So the first

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Speaker 1: ball at the first is runs in the first half.

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Speaker 1: The Steelers were at forty four percent, which is actually

439
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Speaker 1: was the sixth highest in the league last year.

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Speaker 2: And I think a lot of it was in the

441
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Speaker 2: second half of the season. Ye, contrary to popular belief,

442
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Speaker 2: teams like the Eagles are a perfect example. They throw

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Speaker 2: in the first half a high percentage and then run

444
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Speaker 2: and close the door on you. Yes, I don't think

445
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Speaker 2: that Steelers were particularly equipped to do that last year.

446
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Speaker 2: You know, to trust the quarterback and you know, and

447
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Speaker 2: get that lead. And then they also found a recipe

448
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Speaker 2: that worked, you know, the running games working well. So

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Speaker 2: let's stick with it. I'm gonna say it goes down

450
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Speaker 2: a little. And I mean that just as a compliment

451
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Speaker 2: to Kenny.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, runs on first down fifty percent of

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Speaker 1: the time, which was sixteenth in the league.

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Speaker 2: So it's dead middle, dead.

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Speaker 1: Middle fifty percent of the time. And I was always

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Speaker 1: running the ball in first down.

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Speaker 2: It's dead middle, right. Yeah. I also think that goes

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Speaker 2: down basically for the same conversation. The problem with first

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Speaker 2: down runs and this is just totally analytics, I mean,

460
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Speaker 2: and it really does. Coaches will tell you it varies

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Speaker 2: week to week, an opponent to opponent, and how good

462
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Speaker 2: you run the ball and you're running back hurt, blah

463
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Speaker 2: blah blah. But just as a whole, passing is more

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Speaker 2: efficient than running. I mean, the average pass play gains

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Speaker 2: more yards than the average run play. And there's holes

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Speaker 2: in this equation. But the problem is you could get

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Speaker 2: the second and six or second and long too easily

468
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Speaker 2: with first down runs if you throw an efficient throw.

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Speaker 2: But the same is I mean I kind of counted

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Speaker 2: that by saying one in completion equal second attack and.

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Speaker 1: Completion, holding penalty, in eligible downfield, any of those things

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Speaker 1: that can happen turn it into first and fifteen or

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Speaker 1: first and.

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Speaker 2: Twenty, right, I mean the analytics nerds and second yeah,

475
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Speaker 2: right right right? Is early down success rate. I mean,

476
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Speaker 2: you don't want to get the third down, so if

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Speaker 2: you call plays on first down with the attentions of

478
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Speaker 2: not getting the third down, passing makes more sense than running.

479
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Speaker 2: But this is a sharp thing. This isn't the football

480
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Speaker 2: tiders thing. And you and I talked about it a

481
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Speaker 2: week or so. Oh yeah, yeah, whatever called the shots

482
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Speaker 2: then they just kind of are a floor for them.

483
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Speaker 2: The Steelers were like the best team in the league

484
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Speaker 2: of getting at least one yard per run or more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, positive runs. They didn't have the negative runs that

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Speaker 1: we saw.

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Speaker 2: They were phenomenal with that. So, yeah, you'd love to

488
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Speaker 2: have explosives. But the fact that you're rarely, rarely, rarely

489
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Speaker 2: getting negatives by NFL terms, it's pretty impressive. And I

490
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Speaker 2: don't know if you've scrolled even further down, I saw, yeah,

491
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Speaker 2: the tackle breaking stuff, Yeah, yeah, I mean that's they're

492
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Speaker 2: hard to get on the ground their backs.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we'll get to that.

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Speaker 2: Here.

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Speaker 1: Run runs on second and long, which would really be

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Speaker 1: anything more than like second and eight.

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Speaker 2: I think that's how they call it. Yeah, they have parameters.

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Speaker 1: Thirty five percent of the time they ran the ball

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Speaker 1: in that situation, and that was the eighth highest in

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Speaker 1: the league.

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Speaker 2: I think that goes down too.

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Speaker 1: But again, I think part of that is, well, hey,

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Speaker 1: we're going to run the ball here. Yeah. Second, let's

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Speaker 1: say it is second, Nate, We're going to run the

505
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Speaker 1: ball again, and we feel confident in our back is

506
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Speaker 1: going to get something here and if he gets if

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Speaker 1: he gets four, now it's third and four.

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Speaker 2: That's right, that's right, right, right, And that worked well

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Speaker 2: for them because they had a lot of long drives

510
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Speaker 2: despite not a ton of points. Yeah, so it was

511
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Speaker 2: a lot of getting the third down but not going

512
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Speaker 2: backwards very often. That's a tough way to live, yeah, right,

513
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Speaker 2: it is.

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Speaker 1: But they did convertedly. I think in the second half

515
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Speaker 1: of the season was phenomenal. It was fifty four percent,

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Speaker 1: right right, right. The Bills led the league in third

517
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Speaker 1: down conversion rate. It's just over fifty percent.

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Speaker 2: If you're converting fifty you're doing really really well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they were fifty.

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Speaker 2: Four, and they were fifty four for the second half

521
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Speaker 2: of the league. History shows they won't be fifty four

522
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Speaker 2: this year. That no one probably will.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: So it's a tough way to live, but it's an

525
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Speaker 2: impressive way to live too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's bullying your will, yeah, which brings me

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Speaker 1: to runs in power situations.

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Speaker 2: Okay, they did it.

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Speaker 1: Sixty seven percent of the time, which was twelfth best

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Speaker 1: in the league. Conversely, if you look at the how

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Speaker 1: they they fared in power running as an offensive line

532
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Speaker 1: is that's a kind of an offensive line state. Yeah,

533
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Speaker 1: for them, they were number one. They were number one,

534
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Speaker 1: seventy nine score seventy nine in that the previous two years.

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Speaker 1: In power situations. In twenty twenty they ranked thirtieth. In

536
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, they were twenty seventh. Last year they

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Speaker 1: were number one.

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Speaker 2: They were number one. One small thing that helps is

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Speaker 2: Kenny was better quarterback conversions that it helps, It helps

540
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Speaker 2: a little bit, it helps a lot, and Ben didn't

541
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Speaker 2: do much of that. But their lineman moved people.

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Speaker 1: They move people off the ball in the backs. Got positive.

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Speaker 2: You are hard to get down. They are, and maybe

544
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Speaker 2: they aren't running four two's, but they're hard to get

545
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Speaker 2: on the ground. And now you've added a new left guard.

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Speaker 2: That's an upgrade left tackle situations at least as good

547
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Speaker 2: as it was, and you have more depth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. To your point, you know their

549
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Speaker 1: stuff rate last year, that has also gone down nineteen

550
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Speaker 1: percent in twenty twenty, which was twenty eighth in the league,

551
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Speaker 1: seventeen percent in twenty twenty one, which was seventeenth in

552
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Speaker 1: the league. Last year fifteen percent which was fourth best

553
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Speaker 1: in the league.

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Speaker 2: Okay, again, I think that's getting shut down for zero

555
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Speaker 2: or fewer yards. Yeah, that's how they define it.

556
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Speaker 1: So, I mean, you know there's things are trending in

557
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Speaker 1: the right direction.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, those are building blocks. Those things hold

559
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Speaker 2: up year to year. Being able to impose your will

560
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Speaker 2: on the defense even when they know it's coming, you know,

561
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Speaker 2: that kind of stuff is very much a foundation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, looking at some of this other stuff in here, again,

563
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Speaker 1: I think the offensive line play really when you look

564
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Speaker 1: at what they've done here, you know, they break down.

565
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Speaker 1: People wonder why the left side of that line more

566
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Speaker 1: so than anything else. Can it can be better? This year,

567
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Speaker 1: Dan Moore and Kevin Dotson combined for twenty two penalties

568
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Speaker 1: last year. Yeah, Dotson had twelve more had ten.

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Speaker 2: I think the penalties with dots and drove them a

570
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Speaker 2: little bit.

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Speaker 1: Those drove them nuts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, offensive tackles are going to have more penalties than

574
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Speaker 1: guards and centers based on what they do, what they're

575
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Speaker 1: asked to do. The guys screaming off the edge against them,

576
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: were you know, a blitzer coming around the end and oh,

577
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Speaker 1: you accidentally hooked him and you've saved your quarterbacks, like

578
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Speaker 1: we'll take that holding penalty.

579
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Speaker 2: Or another example. Great examples, but another one too is

580
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Speaker 2: you're on the road in Seattle and you can't hear

581
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Speaker 2: at all and you're a little further from the ball,

582
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Speaker 2: so you jump from absolu little starter or things like that.

583
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Speaker 2: But I think dots and I think there were more

584
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Speaker 2: mental errors as well as penalties than they needed from

585
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Speaker 2: a guard last year. And some of them were legal

586
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: men downfield, some were holed, some were misted assignments, you know.

587
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Speaker 2: So I don't think you'll get any of that stuff

588
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Speaker 2: from Solamalo.

589
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, he had five penalties last year, which

590
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Speaker 1: was probably high for him, I think. In fact, I

591
00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: think I did see something looking at him when they

592
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Speaker 1: signed him that I think that was a career high.

593
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Speaker 1: But again, how many of that, how much of that

594
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Speaker 1: was because the Eagles run those RPOs like crazy?

595
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,919
Speaker 1: Yeah, And again, did you get I don't know how

597
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 1: many of those were illegal down and eligible downfields and

598
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Speaker 1: things of that nature. He's going to see a different

599
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Speaker 1: style of quarterback here than what he what he had

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Speaker 1: in fild And with the Eagles.

601
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Speaker 2: And it's also the fact that the Eagles I think

602
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: ran more plays than just by any team in the league.

603
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Speaker 2: So there's more opportunities to get a penalty. Maybe if

604
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Speaker 2: they ran the average number of plays in the league

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Speaker 2: have three or four.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, looking here at the defensive front stuff.

607
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Speaker 2: Cam Hayward, he's still pretty good.

608
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, sixty one stops last year, okay, which averages

609
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Speaker 1: out to in seventeen games, looking about five per game.

610
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Speaker 1: Nobody else in the team had more than thirty. Oh wait, no,

611
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Speaker 1: nobody else in the team. Well, Alex high Smith had fifty. Okay,

612
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Speaker 1: that's the second's that was second. I forget how they

613
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,479
Speaker 1: define stops, but they're then it's a run for one

614
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Speaker 1: yard or less.

615
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Speaker 2: I think in a nutshell, it's a negative play for

616
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Speaker 2: the offense.

617
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, it's you know.

618
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Speaker 2: And so this kind of goes back to the sack

619
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Speaker 2: distribution as well, in that high Smith and Cam more

620
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Speaker 2: than did their share, but the Ogunjobies of the world

621
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Speaker 2: didn't live up to their usual numbers. But what if

622
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Speaker 2: they do, or what if they do? Yeah, or Betan's

623
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Speaker 2: better than a Lululu or you know, but what if

624
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Speaker 2: they do? And Watt plays fourteen games?

625
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Speaker 1: This is also interesting Here I'm looking at quarterback hits

626
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Speaker 1: from a year ago. Marcus Golden had seventeen last year.

627
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Speaker 1: Seventeen seems like a high number for a guy who played.

628
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Speaker 1: He played seven hundred and eighty one snaps. Yeah, that

629
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Speaker 1: would have led to Steelers.

630
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Speaker 2: That would have led to Steelers. Okay, I know high

631
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Speaker 2: Smith wasn't super high and QB hits he was in sacks. Great, No,

632
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Speaker 2: that's a tremendous number.

633
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

634
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Speaker 2: So I think highly productive player he.

635
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Speaker 1: Really is, And I think, you know, it could be

636
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Speaker 1: even more so if you put him on a if

637
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Speaker 1: he's kind of on a pitch count here where Yeah, yeah, okay,

638
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Speaker 1: we just need ten quality rushers from you a game.

639
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Speaker 2: That's ideal for him. Yeah, some games it might have

640
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,240
Speaker 2: to be thirty or forty with an injury, and he's

641
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Speaker 2: capable of doing that too.

642
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. So that was interesting on here. Oh. I did

643
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Speaker 1: want to bring up as well their runs where they

644
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Speaker 1: where they had their most success running the football offensively. Offensively,

645
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure I noticed that one around left end

646
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Speaker 1: they averaged six point h three yards per carry, which

647
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Speaker 1: was second best in the league. Wow.

648
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 2: So more and some of their pass some of that

649
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: is the jet sweep stuff of course, of course or

650
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 2: Kenny scrambled that way that time. But I mean it's

651
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Speaker 2: still twelve hundred snaps. I mean they all even them out.

652
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 2: I mean some of those could have been jet sweeps

653
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 2: the right too, you know. I mean so, I mean

654
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Speaker 2: Dan Moore didn't grade well in their past blocking stuff,

655
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Speaker 2: and he had more than a share of.

656
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Speaker 1: But he's a plus run block. But he's a run block,

657
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,080
Speaker 1: which shows up here. When they run off left tackle,

658
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 1: they average five point one nine yards per carry.

659
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 2: Which it's really good, right, yeah, right, And I'm sure

660
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: a lot of that was a double tights late in

661
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 2: the year, but that's that's still your left tackle getting him.

662
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: If he blows the block, you're not going to get

663
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 2: it done. I think every one they used first round

664
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Speaker 2: pick on a super talented left tackle, Dan Moore is

665
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: a placeholder. I bet Dan Moore, unless heaven forbid he

666
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: has a really serious injury. I bet he plays in

667
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: this league ten years. Yeah, at left tackle, right tackle,

668
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,959
Speaker 2: and maybe even just a flat out starting guard. You know,

669
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: when he gets that chance. You know, is for eight

670
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: of his ten years or whatever.

671
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: When they ran middle or behind the guards, they averaged

672
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: four point three two yards per Carree it's much tougher

673
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: to run in there. But that was twenty first in

674
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: the league, doesn't shock me. Yeah. When they ran at

675
00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: right tackle behind Chukes was three point seventy five yards

676
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: per carrier, which was twenty eighth in the league. And

677
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: then around right end was five point oh three yards

678
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: per carrier, which was twelveth best in the league. Okay,

679
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 1: so their best success came running left, running.

680
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: Left, Well, you got a better left guard too, right,

681
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: I'm not sure that's gonna stop.

682
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I just think that I thought that was interesting.

683
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 2: It is.

684
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: There's just so much to dig into. Yeah, there so

685
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: much to dig into here. Oh yeah, there's there's this.

686
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: So against number one receivers last year, right, the Steelers

687
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: were minus point three it's pretty good, which is pretty

688
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: good against number one, number.

689
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 2: One justin Jeffers and Chase and Digs and you know,

690
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: right right, that.

691
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: Was seventeenth in the league.

692
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: Yeah.

693
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: Against number two receivers they were minus nine point three, interesting,

694
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 1: which was eleventh best in league. Against all the other

695
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: receivers on the on the field, they were minus twenty five,

696
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: which is fourth best in the league.

697
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 2: Wow. So I guess just looking back at last year,

698
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 2: AJ brown digs. A couple of those guys had big games. Yeah,

699
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: but the peripheral dudes didn't. It wasn't like, boy, you're

700
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 2: getting nickel and dined by tight ends and second receivers

701
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: and whatnot.

702
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: So their overall wide receiver rank was minus three point oh,

703
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: which was seventeenth in the league. They were minus fourteen

704
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 1: point zero against the slot, which is their best in

705
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: the league. Yeah, they were good against the slot. Versus

706
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: the tight end, they were minus three point seven, which

707
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: was twelfth best in the league. Oh, I know, Steelers

708
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 1: can't cover the tight end. Yeah, you tell me that

709
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: after they played Travis Kelcey and everybody has Travis Kelcey.

710
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 2: That's the Travis kelce thing. People remember Gronk three years ago.

711
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: I mean, did that to every team in the league. Right,

712
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 2: best tight end, here's where the best tight endeavor.

713
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: Here's where things go off the rails a little bit

714
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: against running backs catching.

715
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: The football, I BET's bad.

716
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 1: They were plus twenty two point eight, which was thirty

717
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: first in the league. Those guys, those linebackers are all gone.

718
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 2: Now, those guys are gone, right, I mean in a way,

719
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 2: there's nowhere to go but up. Yeah, we always talk

720
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 2: about the big plays, but catching them ball out of

721
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 2: the backfield is a big aspect of today's game, as

722
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 2: everyone knows, and they almost have to be better at

723
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: it this year.

724
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: I would think so.

725
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,439
Speaker 2: Real quick, I had one thought about the number one

726
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 2: receiver numbers. It also shows on their corners playing sides.

727
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 2: They don't flip.

728
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:37,320
Speaker 1: They don't do it.

729
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 2: They don't flip. So I'm not saying they should flip

730
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 2: or anything that. I don't think that's going to change

731
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 2: because the whole defense has to adjust accordingly. But it

732
00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 2: is easier for my you know, from an offensive perspective,

733
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 2: for me to get digs on the corner. I want

734
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:54,279
Speaker 2: right if you play left right. You know.

735
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: I wonder if they you know, they're not going to

736
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: do it this year with Joey Porter Jr. But I

737
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 1: wonder if down the line he becomes that kind of guy.

738
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 2: I think it's possible.

739
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: I think it's certainly possible. From saying I mean, they're

740
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: they're challenging him with Pickens and Deontay Johnson. They're they're

741
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: throwing the best guys at him daily, and he's holding

742
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he's holding.

743
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 2: His own right. I mean, that's get that's really off.

744
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 1: That's something maybe next year, right, right, right, Yeah, you're

745
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: not going to do the rookie corner this year. I

746
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: don't just was Sauce Gardner last year.

747
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 2: Their side team too, they're a heavy side seam, but

748
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: reads a good player, you know, but they're just happened

749
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: to be his sides. I don't know everyone sides or not,

750
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 2: but he's definitely a right corner only.

751
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to your point about that, you know in

752
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: the past when we've talked about it, you know, in

753
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: your corner, when your top cornerback travels with the other

754
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: team's best receiver, that makes it hard on the other

755
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: ten guys that are at field. Their job changes when

756
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: he goes, Oh he's on the left side this time.

757
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: He usually he's usually on the right. That changes everybody

758
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: else's job.

759
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 2: Oh when Jerry Rice goes in motion and Dion follows

760
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 2: him and the whole world knows those two are matching up, well,

761
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: the other ten have to change their responsibilities and communicate

762
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:04,919
Speaker 2: like crazy too.

763
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. The Steelers did that a little bit with Joe

764
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: Hayden when they first got him. They used to do

765
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: it occasionally with like Taylor as well.

766
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

767
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they've typically been a sides team.

768
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: I think it's a lot of it's because communication, you know,

769
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,839
Speaker 2: like there's a good chance you let up a big

770
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 2: there's a better chance you let up a big play

771
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: because I didn't quite know my assignment because of the

772
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 2: motion or something.

773
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: Change change somebody else's job, right, you know, description on

774
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: that play and it didn't get But it's.

775
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 2: Worth it if Revis can lock down a stud Yeah right,

776
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 2: I mean, and it happens much less than the league

777
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: that people realize though. Shadowing, you know, Yeah, it doesn't

778
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: happen all that often. I mean, there's a couple of

779
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 2: corners that do it, but it's they and teams flip

780
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: sides more often, but rarely is it. I got stuff

781
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 2: on Diggs. You ten play the other ten. It doesn't

782
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: work like that.

783
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: Very no, No, for sure. He is Matt Williamson. I

784
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the drive here on

785
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine to seventy. That was

786
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: fun dive into the FTN football.

787
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 2: There's a good Mega nugget in there too, is there? Yeah,

788
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: a very good Mica nugget.

789
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: He led all defensive backs and defeats with twenty eight.

790
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: Is that what you're talking about? Yes, in the entire league.

791
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: And I didn't know what a defeat was, so I

792
00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 2: kept looking and looking and I threw it out on

793
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: Twitter to Aaron and he said, defeats add together turnovers,

794
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 2: tackles for loss, plays to prevent conversions on third and

795
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 2: fourth down. He was the best in the entire league.

796
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 2: What at that metric that they call it, He's called

797
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 2: it defeats.

798
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 1: Jude absolutely absolutely best in the league. And that's why

799
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 1: he's the best safety safety in the league. Yep, yeah, absolutely.

800
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: But we're live from Steelers training camp here at Saint

801
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: Vincent College. Well, we'll get out, we'll unerd ourselves here

802
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: a little bit there. But I just thought that that

803
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: was that's great stuff to dive into there with the

804
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: FTN football almenacted. Aaron Shats puts out does great work. Unfortunately,

805
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 1: Football Outsiders is doesn't appear to be Yeah, it doesn't

806
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: appear to be there. But Shats does put out. He's

807
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: still putting out his his stuff. And well we referenced

808
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: that a lot during.

809
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 2: The season, so fantasy notes and there there all.

810
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: Kinds of goodies and that thing. So but we're gonna

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Speaker 1: take a break. We'll be back with more from Saint

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00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: Vincent College right after this Black.

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Speaker 3: And Gold Football Lives Here twenty four to seven. You're

814
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 3: listening to sn R Steelers Nation Radio.

815
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: Welcome back. I'm Dale Lallie. He is Matt Williamson and

816
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: this is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN

817
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: nine seventy allotle breaking.

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00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 2: News here, Matt oh bringing on.

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00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, Mike Tomlin will not be at Friday Night Lights

820
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 1: tonight for the Steelers. He's going to be in Canton

821
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,240
Speaker 1: taking part in the Hall of Fame's Gold Jacket Dinner.

822
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 1: Ronde Barber one of his They.

823
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 2: Featured coach quite a bit, quite a bit, yeah on

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00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 2: the broadcast.

825
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: And he you know, he was a Barber's coach for

826
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 1: quite some time with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And Ron

827
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: Day has asked him to attend the Gold Jacket dinner,

828
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: and so Mike Tomlin will take part in that and.

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00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: Nice perk for being it is.

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00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 1: It's a nice honor for Mike Mike Tomlin as well. Sure,

831
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Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure other you know, if you're a

832
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: defensive back and you look at him, this guy just

833
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: went in the Hall of Fame and he's coached by

834
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: this guy, coach by this guy he's bringing he made

835
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 1: he must have made that kind of impact on that player,

836
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: you know.

837
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 2: Because obviously Barber knows this is the dog days of

838
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 2: training camp. To ask an NFL head coach to take

839
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 2: a day off or you know, go away from your

840
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 2: team to stop by. Yeah, that's a big as That's a.

841
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 1: Huge ass, right, and so a nice honor for for

842
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin. And I know they remained close, and you

843
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: know that's the second member of that secondary is in

844
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: there as well. And so again Mike Tomlin, the coach

845
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,280
Speaker 1: of that is very young coach in the NFL.

846
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, and.

847
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,279
Speaker 1: Helping those guys get into the Hall of Fame. So

848
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 1: obviously they had talent, but.

849
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 2: Oh right, right, good coaching goes a long way along

850
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: those lines. I was just to get a kick out

851
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 2: of what was it five years ago or whatever, right

852
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 2: around this time, I would look down you and I'd

853
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 2: be doing the drive. I'm like, coach Bunchack's not here? Yeah, right,

854
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 2: what happened to the.

855
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: O line cut or coach lebo is not here?

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00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: Whoever? Yeah? Yeah, Like, oh, it's Hall of Fame day.

857
00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: They went over to do the gold jacket stuff, Like

858
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 2: you don't think players notice that stuff. I mean everyone

859
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: in the old line room short noticed and like, yeah,

860
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 2: I'll be back tomorrow, guys. I gotta do my Hall

861
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 2: of Fame duties.

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00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: You know this little thing. I get this jacket that I.

863
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: Wear right right, at some point, you know.

864
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Speaker 1: Maybe Mike Tomlin joins.

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Speaker 2: So I think he's in. Yeah, he's a couple. I mean,

866
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 2: if he quit now, it's debatable, but he's not quitting

867
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 2: now and teams getting better. I think he's in.

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Speaker 1: He did say on the opening of training camp, this

869
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: is being the seventeenth year he he realizes that he's

870
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 1: got more training camps in his past than he probably

871
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: has in his future.

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Speaker 2: Well, I would think, I mean thirty four years would

873
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Speaker 2: because you'd never know, right, I mean, he's came at

874
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 2: least so young, very young, very young.

875
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: And the Steelers have done that. That's one of the things,

876
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,240
Speaker 1: you know, when they've hired their last three coaches, which

877
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: covers you know, more than my life and more than

878
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: that's over five decades, right, They've all been guys they

879
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 1: hired in their thirties, in their thirties.

880
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure that is a prerequisite because we want

881
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 2: to hire you for decades. We don't want to you

882
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: to be here a long time, right, right, right.

883
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: And you know, if you start looking at where Mike

884
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: Tomlin ranks on the all time wins list and winning

885
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: percentage and things of that nature, it's pretty impressive.

886
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, even if he has five more years

887
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: with this organization and wins forty eight games, he's in

888
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 2: a skyrocket up the all time list, you know what

889
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 2: I mean.

890
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's already pushing top I think he's

891
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: pushing top ten. I think he's quite there now.

892
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,280
Speaker 2: But I think from when I last time I looked,

893
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: several of the people in front of him are really

894
00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 2: in striking distance. When you factor in Tomlin's age.

895
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, he right now is at uh He is sixteenth

896
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,959
Speaker 1: with one hundred and sixty three victories. He'll pass Paul

897
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 1: Brown this year with one hundred and sixty six. Mike

898
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: Shanahan is in range with one hundred and seventy. Tom

899
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: Coughlin is tied with him. He got a chance to

900
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: pass Bill Parcells and Jeff Fisher as well. If he

901
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: can do that, he'll be in eleventh place.

902
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 2: So Brown's in the Hall of Fame. Parcels is in

903
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 2: the Hall of Fame. I think Shanahan belongs, but he

904
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 2: never gets brought up.

905
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: Coughlin has a chance.

906
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: Coughlin has a chance. Yeah, a couple of Super Bowl

907
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 2: wins there, But what if he gets forty more wins?

908
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:43,839
Speaker 1: Gets you got the forty more wins, You're now you're

909
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 1: one of the few. The handful of guys. I put

910
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 1: you over two hundred, two hundred's. That's Schottenheimer, that's Curly Lambeau,

911
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 1: Andy Reid, Tom Landry, Bill Belichick, George Halliston, Schula neighborhood,

912
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: and that's elite. Chuck Noll finished with one hundred and

913
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: ninety three regular season career wins. I bet it'll be

914
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,800
Speaker 1: the all time winning as coach in team history.

915
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 2: Would you bet he gets to one ninety four?

916
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: Yes?

917
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: I would too. Yeah, what's that? Three years? Four years? Yeah,

918
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 2: I mean and maybe one you have a year they win.

919
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: Folks were not comparing Chuck Nole. And that's not that

920
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 1: it's a different era. Seventy games, yea, all that stuff, right,

921
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:23,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, you know it's it's undeniable.

922
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's gonna keep racking up wins and

923
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 2: moving up that chart. Yeah, he's got the Hall of Fame.

924
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 2: Will be his last visit camp.

925
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: I still think Marty shot him two and twenty six

926
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: and one.

927
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: That's two hundred.

928
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: He's got a six thirteen winning percentage.

929
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 2: I think he got fired after a fourteen and two season.

930
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:42,879
Speaker 1: He did.

931
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 2: I couldn't remember fourteen fourteen.

932
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: So crazy, Come on, man, crazy.

933
00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 2: Right, what are you doing? Yeah?

934
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 1: You see that on like, yeah, I don't know, yeah, yeah,

935
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: I mean he had fired in Washington after an eight

936
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: and eight year and.

937
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: That team hasn't won eight game, you know what I mean,

938
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 2: they would be thrilled to be eight or nine win

939
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 2: team this year.

940
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: They had a winning record for well, he had a

941
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 1: non losing record for every team that he coached. I mean, yeah,

942
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: the Browns he was. The Browns were forty four.

943
00:44:12,800 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 2: And twenty seven when he's probably their best coach since

944
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 2: Paul Brown.

945
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then the Belichick came in after him, and

946
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: Belichick had a losing record.

947
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: He replaced shot in higher.

948
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,360
Speaker 1: He didn't. I don't know if that was wasn't it

949
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: wasn't direct, No, there was somebody in between that. But

950
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,919
Speaker 1: Belichick had I think had a losing record as coach

951
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 1: of the Browns.

952
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: I'm almost certain I can look at it. It was

953
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 2: starting to turn around.

954
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: Thirty six and forty four.

955
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 2: Thirty six and forty four. Yeah, I think his last

956
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 2: year was they were starting to move the right there.

957
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: And made the playoffs, and then the carpet up and then.

958
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 2: Oh we better make a change, right, don't think of

959
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 2: the same guy. Wouldn't want to Belichick for the last

960
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: twenty fee. Well, they moved, they moved right right, But

961
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 2: that doesn't mean the good coach has to go.

962
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 1: No, no, but he did. Uh, we're gonna take another break.

963
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Speaker 1: He is Matt Williams and I am Dale Lolly. You're

964
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,239
Speaker 1: listening to the Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio and

965
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: ESPN nines. Uh. We are live from Saint Vincent College

966
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: here on the campus or in La Trobe. I should

967
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: say the Steelers will be having their night practice later

968
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: on this evening. As I mentioned earlier, Mike Tomlin not

969
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 1: going to be there. He will be doing the Hall

970
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: of Fame Gold Jacket dinner tonight. Doesn't mean he's not

971
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: going to see every single thing that happened to practice tonight.

972
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: He'll probably get back from Canton and spend half the

973
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:24,919
Speaker 1: night watching the practice film.

974
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,359
Speaker 2: I might even be somebody drives him and he sits

975
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:28,440
Speaker 2: there on an iPad watching them.

976
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,960
Speaker 1: Can do that too, that's all that works. Yeah. Yeah,

977
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: well there's two hours in the car that you can

978
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:34,920
Speaker 1: You can get a lot done, Get a lot done.

979
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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

980
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 1: Anyways, we're gonna take a break. We'll be back with

981
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 1: more right after this.

982
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Speaker 3: When you want black and Gold football talk, you want

983
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