1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: Ola, Latino, USA. Listener, it's me Mariano Hossan. By now, 2 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: I'm sure that you've already heard about the shameful racist 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: comments made by now former La City Council President Nudi 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:18,600 Speaker 1: Martinez during a meeting with fellow council members Gil Cedillo 5 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:23,200 Speaker 1: and Kevin de Leon and now former La County Federation 6 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: of Labor president Ron Herrera. In elite recording of that meeting, 7 00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:32,120 Speaker 1: which took place in October twenty twenty one, we can 8 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: hear Nudi Martinez making racist remarks about another council member's 9 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: black son and about the city's indigenous community from Wajaca, Mexico. 10 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: Martinez resigned on October twelfth after the leaked recording sparked 11 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: public outrage, and the La City Council elected Paul Crecorian 12 00:00:54,280 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: as its new president. Council members Kevin de Leon and Gilsdillo, 13 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 1: who were in that room with Martinez, laughing at her 14 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: racist comments and contributing to the degrading conversation, are still 15 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: facing pressure to resign our colleagues at Latino Rebels interviewed 16 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 1: Gustavo Arellano, a columnist with The La Times, right after 17 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 1: the recording of this meeting went public, so by that 18 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 1: time Nudi Martinez had not resigned yet. This is such 19 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,880 Speaker 1: an important issue for the Latino Latino community that we 20 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: wanted to share this conversation with you, our listeners here 21 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: at Latino USA. So before I hand things over to 22 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: Latino Rebels Senior editor Ector Luis Alamo, just a quick 23 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: warning there is some explicit language in this conversation, so 24 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: be aware. Here's Ector and Gustavo Arellano. 25 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 2: FROMTUDO Media and p r X. This is Latino Rebels Radio. 26 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 2: I am your host, Hector Luis Alamo, filling in for 27 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 2: Julio Ricardo Varela. If you are like me or any 28 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 2: my fellow Latino people in media, activism, nonprofit, I mean 29 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 2: the Latino media. Social media has been dominated by this 30 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:48,640 Speaker 2: story coming out of Los Angeles since I think it 31 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: broke Sunday, specifically our guest article in the Los Angeles 32 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 2: Times of the story from the Los Angeles City Council 33 00:02:56,680 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: former president Nurie Martinez caught a year ago with two 34 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:06,519 Speaker 2: other members and a local Labored leader saying some racist, 35 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 2: disparaging remarks about a colleague's black son, and you know 36 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 2: Wa Hawkins in Los Angeles. That's been dominating stuff at 37 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 2: Latino Rebels. We've been following in it closely and we 38 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 2: are very excited and privileged to be able to bring 39 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 2: on our guests, Gustavo Ariano. Gustavo, would you care to 40 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,079 Speaker 2: introduce yourself to our readers, who I'm sure know all about. 41 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 3: You, considering I was a former contributor to Latino Rebels, 42 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 3: I would hope they know who I am. But my 43 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 3: name is Gustava Ariano. I'm columnists for the Los Angeles Times. 44 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 3: I'm also a host of the La Times podcast at 45 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 3: times Essential News from the La Times, and I am 46 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 3: a voracious listener of Latino Rebels radio. As I said earlier, 47 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 3: contributor and just all around Chilo nerd. 48 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 2: I think before we start, we should play a clip 49 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,440 Speaker 2: of exactly what we're talking about here. 50 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 4: It's like the honest thing. It's a black and brown 51 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 4: on this floe, and then there's this white guy with 52 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 4: this little black kid who's this behaved, has no he's there, No, 53 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 4: they're doing the gen is bouncing off the ef wall 54 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 4: on the flow. 55 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 5: Practically taking it over. 56 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 2: There's nothing you can do to control. 57 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 6: Him, that is, and I'm just like, oh my god, 58 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 6: even I'm like a little white kid, which I was like, 59 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 6: this kid is a beat down, Like let me, let 60 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 6: me take him around the corner and then I'll bring 61 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 6: them back. 62 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 4: Yeah. 63 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 6: So anyways, getting back. 64 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 4: To the district. 65 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: So that's what we're talking about here. I didn't hear 66 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: it on Sunday. I heard it Monday when I'm coming 67 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: back trying to gear up for the week, and it 68 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:57,400 Speaker 2: was I'll just say this, everything that she said was vile, disgusting. Right. 69 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 2: It's shocking that not only the council members talking like this, 70 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 2: but the president, the first Latina president of the Council 71 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 2: is talking like this. You can go about everybody said 72 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 2: everything have said, everything about what she says about Wa 73 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 2: Hawkins and about you know, Bonnin's black son. Then for me, 74 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 2: you know, especially is one thing that strikes me is 75 00:05:20,400 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 2: the fact that she implies that you can't raise a 76 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 2: black child like you would a white child, that a 77 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: black child requires corporal punishment. But Gustavo, please, it's your city, 78 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,720 Speaker 2: you tell you tell us what's going on. 79 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 3: It's not even my city. I'm from Orange County, California, LA. Folks, 80 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 3: what on earth is going on? 81 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 5: But no. 82 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 3: Look, I mean, I've told this story already, but I'll 83 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 3: get into more details now. Like I was about to 84 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 3: get into the shower Sunday morning, I'm like, okay, I'm 85 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 3: gonna meet for brunch with one of my half us 86 00:05:51,640 --> 00:05:54,360 Speaker 3: on the podcast, Bet We're gonna go get dinner with 87 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 3: my wife's sister. And literally I opened the shower, turn 88 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 3: on the faucet and get a I checked my phone 89 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 3: and there's a Slack message, Hey Gustavo, can you hear 90 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 3: some audio for us? Like there's some Spanish and we 91 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 3: don't really get it. Like I'm like okay, And I 92 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 3: heard it, and it was the part where Nuri Martinez 93 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 3: calls the black son of Mike Bonnan a negrito right 94 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 3: off the bat. 95 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 5: I'm like, oh god, this is disgusting. Then, but I. 96 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 3: Couldn't understand the context and full the way the clip 97 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:28,159 Speaker 3: that I got, I just couldn't understand in full, so 98 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: I asked more for it. Then that's when I heard 99 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 3: Chiang Gito. I'm like, oh god, And literally that was 100 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 3: most of my morning. I'd hear more clips and just 101 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 3: she went off against black people, she went off against 102 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,840 Speaker 3: black children, she went off against Jaja genios. 103 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 5: Or you know people. 104 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 3: In this tape, they called their colleagues a little bitch, 105 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 3: a diva, essentially, that this white man wants to be black. 106 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 3: They went off against Armenians, they went off against Jews. 107 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,240 Speaker 3: They alleged that a Jewish conspiracy is trying to control 108 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 3: South LA. You expect politicians, when they don't know the 109 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 3: cameras on, to be vulgar, to be just really nasty, 110 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 3: because that's what politics is. 111 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 5: Democracy is pretty vicious. I'm sorry. 112 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 3: You do not expect politicians, especially Latino politicians, who have 113 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 3: been advocating, saying themselves, we're finding for communities of color, 114 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 3: to basically insul every possible community of color in Los Angeles. 115 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 3: It was disgusting, and you're still getting revelations. This is 116 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 3: like the freaking Zipruder film. You listen to it again 117 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 3: and again, you're like, oh, there's that little crinkly thing. 118 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 5: It's actually this. It's horrible. It's absolutely horrible. 119 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 3: And now Los Angeles politics and Latino politics especially have 120 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 3: been completely unended completely. 121 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:39,680 Speaker 5: It's incredible. 122 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: In the context of this conversation that took place October 123 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, she's voicing her frustration over redistricting, right 124 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: that once every ten years, the allocating of districts. I 125 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 2: read in facting your column're most of the column you 126 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 2: wrote before today about how you know Los Angeles is 127 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: half Latino, but only a third of the districts are Latino, 128 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,559 Speaker 2: and so they're talking about, you know, trying to get 129 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 2: more Latino districts, and I mean, what are they talking 130 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 2: about here, weakening black districts. 131 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, so every decade, just like in Congress, los Angeles redistricts, 132 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 3: it's city councils. There's fifteen seats, and so it's real, 133 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 3: it's brutal, it's brutal there. I mean, we know there's 134 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 3: there's always fights about what city is going to be 135 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 3: in what district? What can you do? And in Los 136 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 3: Angeles it's true, Latino political power is underwhelming. We're half 137 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 3: of the city, but just right now a third of 138 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 3: the council seats. Let's see what happens with whether these 139 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,840 Speaker 3: people resign. So there was a frustration, and there's always 140 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 3: going to. 141 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 5: Be jocking always. 142 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 3: Again, I have no issue with that when you're trying 143 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 3: to take away black power, though, especially when black political 144 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 3: power in Los Angeles has been shrinking because there has 145 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,679 Speaker 3: been black flight from Los Angeles. I'm sorry, but like 146 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 3: when the black community or when you have bigger communities, 147 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: you're supposed to help the smaller communities. You're not supposed 148 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 3: to get more power at their expense. 149 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 5: And that's what they were talking about. 150 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 3: Now, if they only had talked about that, yeah, people 151 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:04,400 Speaker 3: would be upset. 152 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:05,760 Speaker 5: That's a conversation to have. 153 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 3: If you're going to do that, you do not demean 154 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 3: them with Mexican Spanish words that are just you know, 155 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 3: And this is what really pisses me out there, like, oh, well, 156 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 3: you know, negirito is not the N word, and like, 157 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 3: you know, you say that about kids jiung Gito's, like 158 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 3: they're just monkeying around. And when I'm like, come on, 159 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 3: don't say agon. You know, we know exactly what's going on. 160 00:09:25,480 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 3: We know when those words they can be used in 161 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 3: a way that, yes, it's not as horrible as the 162 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 3: ND word, but it's pretty damn close. 163 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 2: And all together. I mean, yeah, I mean negrito, you know, 164 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 2: as an after Latino myself, black Latino, Negrito's not so bad, 165 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 2: you know, describing kids as giang gito's it depends on 166 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: who you're talking about. But the whole context. The whole 167 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 2: is greater than the part than some of its parts, right, 168 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: and you can tell that there's this anti black animosity. 169 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 2: One thing we should note about Nari Martinez is that 170 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: her you know, there's new elections in November, but her 171 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: term is up in twenty twenty four, and since she 172 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 2: did not technically commit a crime, the only way to 173 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 2: be removed is by a recall vote, right, I mean, 174 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 2: is what's the likelihood of that happening her? 175 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 3: Kevin de Leone and Gil Sadillo, which, by the way, 176 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 3: he only has a couple of weeks left on his term, 177 00:10:13,320 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 3: so he's kind of a moot point at this point. 178 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 3: But the other two de Leon and Uri Martinez, they 179 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 3: are never going to live this down. The black community 180 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 3: will be calling for their resignation forever. Other good people 181 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 3: are going to be calling the Waja Kaniels, Yeah, let's call. 182 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:32,640 Speaker 7: Yes. 183 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 8: I see a lot of little short people, not even 184 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 8: like Kevin little one. 185 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 6: I was like, I don't know what minutes they came. 186 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 4: Here, But. 187 00:10:52,760 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 7: I get what we have to do, right, this massage 188 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 7: to create districts that benefit you want and the future there. 189 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 7: But we got to figure out Mark c too. 190 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 3: Three, you want to piss off a group, do not 191 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 3: piss off the Jajacanios. 192 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:12,199 Speaker 5: They are legends and community organizing. 193 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 3: They have been dealing with anti indigeneity in Mexico and 194 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 3: then among Chicano communities in LA for way too long. 195 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 3: I think this is actually an under reported story with 196 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 3: the Jajacanios because there has been a Joajacanio politicians elected 197 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 3: more in the Central Valley, another big thing. But in 198 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 3: Los Angeles, you know, they really haven't had that just yet. 199 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 3: But I guarantee you're going to see the first Wajacangio 200 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 3: council never come from this whole fiasco. So to remove 201 00:11:35,480 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 3: any of these people recalls cost millions of dollars. You 202 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:41,559 Speaker 3: have to gather a bunch of signatures. It could be done. 203 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 3: I think it will. It could happen, But they're gonna 204 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 3: resign because the entire Democratic political establishment is against them, 205 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 3: are calling for their resignation. US Senator Alex Badia, who 206 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 3: was a mentor to Neuri Martinez. I think she used 207 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 3: to work under him. President Joe Biden, he's in southern 208 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 3: California this week. He's already said through a press rack, Harry, 209 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 3: they need to get down. You know, he's gonna say 210 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 3: this has no place. And not only that, if you 211 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 3: think about it, when the Republicans have been making their 212 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 3: inroads with Latinos, you know, sometimes for me it's like 213 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 3: it's overblown, but the same thing, it's something that you 214 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 3: need to track. And now you have Latinos being anti 215 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 3: black and all this, you don't think I'm actually surprised 216 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 3: that the Republican Party has it hopped on the c 217 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 3: c ce CEE Democrats are racist, Latinos, you're not racist, 218 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 3: reject the Democratic Party. This is just i'll say it, 219 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 3: a cluster a cluster fuck, a complete cluster fuck. 220 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 5: Oh my god. And again I. 221 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 3: Just kept and what's remarkable to me is that the 222 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 3: level of disgust, just flat out disgust. Again, there's some 223 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 3: bendholes who are saying, oh, you know, making apologists, but 224 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 3: Latinos especially, we because we know these people, We know 225 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 3: these people. 226 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 5: There are our deals. They're primas. 227 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 3: They're like you know that side of the family who 228 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 3: when they used to say it, we would roll our eyes. 229 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 3: Now the younger generation flat out calls them. You can't 230 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: say that we're disgusted. We're absolutely disgusted. And then now 231 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 3: we have to deal with the fallout that we're gonna 232 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:02,599 Speaker 3: have to deal with for years. 233 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 2: I mean again, as a black Latino, I don't mean 234 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 2: to you know, harp on this, but as a black Latino, 235 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: I mean, when I heard what she said, and I've 236 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 2: said this on Twitter in other places, it's not that shocking. 237 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 2: As a black Latino, I've heard worse. To my face. 238 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,199 Speaker 2: It's kind of like when all these videos of police 239 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 2: violence started coming out, black people were saying, we've been 240 00:13:24,160 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 2: telling you that this has been existing, and as a 241 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,880 Speaker 2: black Latino, you know, we've been telling you that there 242 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 2: is this anti blackness, you know, not only anti blackness, 243 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 2: but colorism, right, because the Hawcken thing, it touches on colorism, 244 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: like you said, anti indigenoity, like you know they're talking 245 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 2: about oh now they're wearing shoes and this whole thing. 246 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:44,960 Speaker 2: I mean, it's just disgusting. And the fact that she 247 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 2: was you know, she was a member of the LA 248 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 2: Unified District school district. I mean, this person. Racists have 249 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 2: no place in governing, right, I mean, it is if 250 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 2: you're that stupid to be racist, I mean, you can't 251 00:13:57,880 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 2: be making decisions about how to run a country, how 252 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 2: to run a city, how to run a county, how 253 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 2: to run a school district. 254 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 3: Right, well, we had our president who was pretty racist, 255 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 3: so this this sport Getria happens. But no, I mean yes, 256 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 3: Luri Martinez was president of the LA Unified School District, 257 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 3: so all these constituents, all across Los Angeles County, she 258 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 3: was head of these kids. I mean the wa Hawkan part, 259 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,480 Speaker 3: look the anti blackness, and also let's not forget she 260 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 3: was suggesting that a black child should be taken around 261 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 3: the corner and beaten to act. Well, which is again 262 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 3: corporal punishment, is like, it's horrible, horrible, But the wahakang 263 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 3: A part are like, okay, if you're going to say, 264 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 3: oh yeah, we're with La Rasa, we're advocating for Latinos, well, 265 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 3: now you get this group where she's like, oh yeah 266 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 3: they're short and dark, or you know, the people are 267 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 3: saying I can't remember the exact conversation, but they're like, 268 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 3: oh yeah they're short and dark, and yeah, now there 269 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 3: were in shoes. I don't even know what village are from. 270 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 3: And then the one part that especially made me gass. 271 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 3: Remember this is Sunday morning. I have clothes on now, 272 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 3: like I had to put it on, but I'm listening 273 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 3: to it and we like the audio wasn't the best, 274 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 3: but I'm like doing like this. I'm just pushing my 275 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 3: ear my earphones as much into my ears as possible. 276 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 3: And then I heard it talking about what Hawkins don 277 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 3: fails and she no more like done fails. Like she 278 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 3: emphasized on the fells that they're ugly. And you know, 279 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 3: there's controversy about whether she said so ugly don don fails. 280 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 3: I personally think she was saying astan feils and she 281 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 3: just clipped a ton like you say aastan or done 282 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 3: or whatever. But the fails partials all the time exactly. 283 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 5: You know what it is. Rancho do that as well too. 284 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 3: But when you heard the emphasis on the fails, it's like, oh, 285 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 3: you can't just make fun of them for their skin tone. 286 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 3: You can't just make fun of them for their short stature, 287 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 3: because you know, they're indigenous folks and these are stereotypes 288 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 3: of course that existed in Mexico and the US for decades, 289 00:15:46,640 --> 00:15:50,640 Speaker 3: if not centuries. You also have to say they're ugly. 290 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 3: That was just disgusting. I like, it's vile it is 291 00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 3: just vileness at its most vile and ugly. 292 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: I mean fail. I mean it has the same tentions 293 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 2: in English, but in Spanish failed me you know, it 294 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 2: has connotations of being evil, of being you know, not human. 295 00:16:07,640 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 2: You know, yes, substandard, it just has all this. 296 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 5: It's harsher. It's harsher than just ugly. 297 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like that's a word that you use 298 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 3: when you're truly disgusted by something. 299 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 7: Oh. 300 00:16:19,160 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 2: I think they ended up having a meeting yesterday at 301 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 2: city Hall of the council and all these people coming up. 302 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 2: I mean you see the you know that the one 303 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 2: lady who comes up and says, you know this f 304 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 2: nurif everybody f this, this is legitimate. I mean people 305 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 2: were really angry and it looked like there was good 306 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 2: you know, there was about to be a right I mean, 307 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: what is the sense in LA? I mean, I think 308 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 2: what everybody wants to know, who's not from La? When 309 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 2: what is the sense in LA? Right now? 310 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 3: I do think they're overstating how much there's racial tension, 311 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 3: like it goes with an election where crime and homelessness 312 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 3: are very much at the top of the agenda, especially 313 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 3: with the mayoral race. Between Congresswoman Karen Bass and building 314 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 3: air developer Rick Caruso. 315 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 5: So you hear people. 316 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 3: Say like, oh, it's worse, I'm like no, no, no, no, no, no. 317 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 3: We are not in nineteen ninety one. Let's not even 318 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 3: pre ten. We're in nineteen ninety one where there was 319 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 3: real tension. There's always going to be tensions. There's always 320 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 3: going to be tension. That's just how it is. Sadly, 321 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 3: in humanity. Again, though, I place my faith on the 322 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 3: younger generation, people who call themselves LATINX frankly, the people 323 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 3: who are trying to really work on anti racism, the 324 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 3: people who are who pushed us, the older Latinos to 325 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 3: say black lives matter at a time where we're like, well, 326 00:17:31,800 --> 00:17:33,160 Speaker 3: do all lives matter or whatnot. 327 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 5: No, they're the ones who are puching it. So I 328 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 5: have faith in them. 329 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 3: But again, there are people who have been working on 330 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 3: this very issue for decades. Karen Bass was one of 331 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 3: the founders of this legendary group called Community Coalition that 332 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:47,480 Speaker 3: was created in the wake of the LA riots to 333 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 3: specifically work with black and brown communities or black and 334 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 3: Latino communities, And of course there's a for Latinos and 335 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 3: all that stuff, you know, all those folks and unite them. 336 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 3: And so they've created a generation of young people who 337 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 3: get that. So it's not like the city's ready to explode. Honestly, 338 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 3: if I want to say, what the sentiment is, the 339 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 3: city is disgusted. 340 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 5: We knew there was racism. 341 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 3: Of course there's racism, but it's like a sucker punch 342 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 3: to all of us collectively, and we're like, well, what 343 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 3: are we going to do next? 344 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:14,360 Speaker 5: What's next? I mean? 345 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 3: And so what I'm trying to tell people is like, yes, 346 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 3: be angry, Please be angry. We should all be angry, disgusted, 347 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 3: but we have to go to what's next. We can't 348 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 3: let that anger fester because that's when ninety two happens. 349 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 3: That's when all this bad stuff happens. 350 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 2: And you brought this up, and I think we should 351 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 2: touch on it. I mean, this is probably could not 352 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 2: have come at a worse time for Democrats. Yeah, a 353 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 2: few weeks from election day, you know Nii Martinez, first 354 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 2: Latina Democrat President of the Council. So you know, people 355 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,639 Speaker 2: who voted for her probably thought they were electing somebody 356 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 2: who represents them and is this is okay, this is progress? 357 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 2: This is the future. I know a lot of Latinos 358 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 2: are going to be thinking, well, look, damned if you do, 359 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 2: damned if you don't. I mean, here, we voted for 360 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 2: a Latina Democrat and she ended up being just as 361 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 2: bad as a Republicans. I mean, what is your sense 362 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: that you know this is have an effect on the midterm? 363 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 5: Oh geez? 364 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 3: I mean, look, this sets back Latino political power for years. 365 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 3: And as I wrote in my column for the La Times, 366 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 3: how long? And I'm going to talk specifically about Mexican 367 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,240 Speaker 3: Americans because that's what Nary Martinez is. How long have 368 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 3: Mexican Americans or and you know what, I'll also include 369 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 3: all Latinos, you know, especially Central Americans because Kevin Deal 370 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 3: and he's a Guatemalteco. How long have we had to 371 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 3: deal with the rights saying Latinos are going to take 372 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:30,960 Speaker 3: over When it's Mexicans, they call it reconquista on the 373 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 3: American Southwest. Now you have the bullshit of the great 374 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,199 Speaker 3: replacement theory with Central Americans. Oh, these caravans, they're going 375 00:19:37,240 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 3: to overwhelm us like and now of course Venezolano's are 376 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 3: part of that, like where they're getting shipped off to 377 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 3: Cape cod and all of that, and we as Latinos, 378 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 3: we know no, yes, we are. The demographics were now 379 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 3: the largest minority in the United States in California, were 380 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 3: plurality of the population in Los Angeles, where a majority 381 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 3: of the population in La County as well. And now 382 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 3: you have these Latino politicians saying, yeah, the whose control 383 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 3: South La. They're working in tandem with the blacks. We 384 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 3: got to get rid of their power. It got so 385 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 3: bad that Nuri said of George Gascon Gubano, you know, 386 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 3: born in Cuba, fuck him, he's with the blacks. Oh 387 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,360 Speaker 3: my god. Like that's it's like for a lot of people. 388 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 3: And they're gonna say, see, I can see the Marjorie 389 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 3: Taylor Greens of the world. See see see see we 390 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 3: told you so. We cannot trust these people. All the 391 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 3: gains that Latino politicians have done of saying we're going 392 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:33,440 Speaker 3: to government for everyone just ripped apart, shredded. We I mean, 393 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 3: we're only a couple of days away from the release. 394 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 3: We still don't know what the ramifications are an elections coming. 395 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 2: And you know the fact that Ron Herrera, president of 396 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 2: the La County Federation of Labors, in there I mean 397 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 2: there's growing, you know, support for unions, but there's also 398 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 2: this long held distrust of unions. Right. 399 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 5: Oh yeah. 400 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:57,360 Speaker 3: So this meeting happened at the offices of the La 401 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 3: County Labor Federation, which is a very power full, very 402 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 3: influential group of basically all the unions in Los Angeles. 403 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 3: All those dudes go get spent on political candidates, and 404 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,959 Speaker 3: the right has been saying forever they have way too 405 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:13,960 Speaker 3: much power, and this shows it. And it's interesting because 406 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 3: the genesis of the audio, so it was recorded in 407 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 3: October of last year, as you mentioned earlier, but it 408 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 3: was only released last month. 409 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 2: Apparently it got and nobody knows who recorded it. 410 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it got posted on Reddit and then it 411 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 3: got taken down, but the La Times was able to 412 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,199 Speaker 3: obtain a copy of it. We broke the story and 413 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 3: there's this cryptic message. I haven't read it myself. I'm 414 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 3: going off of what my colleagues have reported, but it 415 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 3: said something to the effect of you hear about all 416 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:44,199 Speaker 3: the you know, just how bad politics is, and then 417 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 3: when you hear it, when you actually hear the audio, 418 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 3: is just horrible. 419 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 5: This is what labor has done. 420 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 3: So the theory now is that it was someone in 421 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,679 Speaker 3: the labor movement who got this affected with labor secretly 422 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 3: recorded because it's a secret conversation California. You cannot record 423 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 3: someone without their consents, so and that's exactly what happened, 424 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 3: and then just released it to I think it was 425 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 3: to embarrass labor because they wanted to show like this 426 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 3: is political happening, because you hear Ron her are saying like, Okay, 427 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 3: we got to get this person in, we got to 428 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 3: get that person. It's like, you know, the the Chicago 429 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 3: of Richard Daly, you know you, you you are the 430 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 3: fucking Prio Mexico and Asso like you and you and you. 431 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 3: I think all the racism I'm sure this person knew 432 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 3: about it was almost after the fact. 433 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:27,440 Speaker 5: They want to show union power. 434 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,959 Speaker 3: So yeah, now unions are going to have to answer 435 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 3: to this as well, and to their credit, a lot 436 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 3: of unions immediately said no. And also again you want 437 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 3: to talk about the toxicity of all this. There's also 438 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:43,280 Speaker 3: insults against SEIU, the Service Employees I International Union, which 439 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 3: is the legendary justice for janitors, which is now almost 440 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 3: overwhelmingly Mexicanto and Central American, very woman driven, and they're 441 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 3: getting insulted as well. God the toxicity again. All you 442 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 3: can do is feel disgusted. 443 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the video was posted to Reddit with 444 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 2: the message labor is in bed with city Hall, right, 445 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 2: that's what it is, ok. Times, because I read that, 446 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 2: you know, the a spokeswoman for the Federation of Labor 447 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 2: said that that's you know, that's a private conversation on 448 00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 2: Federation of Labor property. You have no right to and 449 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,280 Speaker 2: and the Times the General Consul said no, well, we 450 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,920 Speaker 2: we have the right to publish anything that's newsworthy. I mean, 451 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 2: that was their response to what was on that tape. 452 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 3: That was horrible, and now the Labor Labor Fed leadership 453 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 3: is getting hell from their own members for that. It's like, 454 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,120 Speaker 3: come on, okay, yes it was illegally recorded by Hello, 455 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 3: we're the press. First Amendment we have we are protected 456 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 3: by the First Amendment, and especially in California with shield 457 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 3: laws and all that, to be able to report on 458 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:39,560 Speaker 3: this stuff. 459 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 5: But that's your first reaction instead of. 460 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 3: Saying, our heart goes to this black child who was 461 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 3: called an animal and who was advocated to get beaten down. 462 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:50,479 Speaker 5: We are disgusted by all this. 463 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 3: No, it's like protecting yourself it was such a dark 464 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:56,199 Speaker 3: moment for labor as well, like no one, there is 465 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 3: no I mean, the only silver lining again is that 466 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,960 Speaker 3: I hope it just snaps everyone in attention and makes 467 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:04,399 Speaker 3: us realize we cannot let this happen again. We need 468 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 3: to elect people who are truly anti racist and we 469 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 3: and you know this is me as a reporter, you 470 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 3: could never take politicians as their word. This is why 471 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 3: I don't worship I've never worshiped politicians. There's some who 472 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 3: I think are cooler than others. There are some who 473 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,119 Speaker 3: I think are smarter than others. Yes, in terms like hey, buddy, buddy, 474 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 3: buddy la No, no, no, no, you cannot do that. 475 00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 5: Even as Latinos. 476 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 3: We do have to elect people who best serve everyone's interest, 477 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 3: but especially will be an advocate for us. But we 478 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 3: can't elect people anymore just because they're Latinos. I learned 479 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 3: that lesson a long time ago. But that's another story. 480 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I learned that in no wait, but yeah, 481 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 2: you know the famous adage, you know, only one way 482 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,160 Speaker 2: for a journalists to look at a politician that's down. 483 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 2: But that's a good one. But with all these calls Biden, 484 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 2: you know, Mayor, Garcetti, governor, knew some everybody ever in 485 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 2: the whole world. You know, you're gonna hear the Pope 486 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 2: calling on these people to resign. You know, there's no 487 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 2: chance that neuring Martinez and dely Own I mean, like 488 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 2: you said, Sidio's he's on his way out. But there's 489 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 2: no way they stay on the council, right. 490 00:24:58,520 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 5: Oh gosh. 491 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 3: If they do, that's a testament to their arrogance and 492 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 3: their ignorance. 493 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 5: They will not be. 494 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 3: Left to have a peaceful moment in their life until 495 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 3: they sit down. They are going to be followed by protesters. 496 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 3: And you know, we're not talking about violence. No one 497 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 3: is even thinking of that, nor should they because that's 498 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 3: absolutely disgusting, especially in this context. But protests outside, I 499 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,280 Speaker 3: mean they went to nering Martinez's house and neuring Martinez. 500 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 3: By the way, the same person. It's not just like 501 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 3: she's racist and all this. She was also the person 502 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,280 Speaker 3: who was trying to pass a law that banned people 503 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 3: from protesting outside politicians house within like I think five 504 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 3: hundred fear or whatever. 505 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,400 Speaker 5: Like she also hates the First. 506 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,360 Speaker 3: Amendment, Like no, exactly as soon now you know, as 507 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,639 Speaker 3: we not the as like that, so I thought they 508 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 3: were going to resign before the city council meeting. Instead, 509 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,000 Speaker 3: Neruring Martinez took a leave of absence. She's going to 510 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 3: do it soon. 511 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 5: Kevin. 512 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 3: That's an interesting one because Kevin technically is more politically 513 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 3: powerful than Neuri. He was a first Senate pro tem 514 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,560 Speaker 3: leader in over one hundred years. He unsuccessfully A couple 515 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 3: of years ago, there was actually an episode in Latino, 516 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 3: USA to plug futuro media entities about him running against 517 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 3: Diane Feinstein for the US sennency. 518 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 5: He lost. He was a mayor ole candidate. 519 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:16,440 Speaker 3: This year. He came in third place. He has more 520 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 3: at stake. I don't know what's gonna happen with him. 521 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 3: His political career is over after this, but how much 522 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 3: longer is he could extend it That remains a question, 523 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 3: especially because their own confidants are saying step down. Antonio 524 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 3: viare Gosa, the former mayor of Los Angeles. 525 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 5: He appeared at a press conference. 526 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 3: It was a conference more like a seminar that Karen 527 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 3: Bass held with over thirty community leaders. He was I 528 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 3: think either, I don't think he was right next to Karen, 529 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 3: but like literally two seats away from him, Toyo and 530 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 3: Gilsidio grew up together. I don't know if he said 531 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 3: that specifically, but come on, it's implicit. 532 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 5: It's like, step down. 533 00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 3: This is an embarrassment and if you really care about Latinos, 534 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 3: there's so much damage control to be done, you folks, 535 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:56,919 Speaker 3: staying on council does not help it. 536 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,199 Speaker 2: Well, Gustavo, it's a pleasure to meet you, big fan 537 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 2: of your Work's great to have you come on and 538 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 2: talk to us about this. Let everybody know where they 539 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:05,360 Speaker 2: can find you and your work. 540 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,879 Speaker 3: Yeah, just you know, go to La Times dot com 541 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 3: to read all the coverage that we have. It's not 542 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 3: just me, it's so many colleagues, Ben No Resquez, Dakota Smith, 543 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 3: Julia Wick, David Zandener and now all the folks are 544 00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 3: coming out to be part of this story. But you 545 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 3: can find me on Twitter just at gustav Ariano. And 546 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 3: if you like all of this stuff and you just 547 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,280 Speaker 3: can't catch up to everything that I do, subscribe to 548 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,640 Speaker 3: my weekly newsletter. Go to Gustavariano dot org. I send 549 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 3: it out every Saturday morning. I give you a song 550 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 3: of the week, a quote of the week, podcast of 551 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 3: the week, an article of the week all that stuff. 552 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 3: Obviously when this comes out, you'll be able to hear 553 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 3: as well, So thank you all lat you know, rebel RADIOSRIFA. 554 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 2: Maybe we can't have too much confidence in politicians, but 555 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,159 Speaker 2: thank god we have reporters like you, you know, shining a 556 00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 2: light on this stuff. So thank you Sea Peace. 557 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:49,960 Speaker 5: Now grass as'll status peace. 558 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 2: I want to thank you for coming on. Very interesting. 559 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 2: I mean, will we be following this at Latino Rebels 560 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 2: and you know in Fudo generally we've been talking about it. 561 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 2: But again I want to thank from the La Times 562 00:28:14,840 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 2: from coming on. I'm Hector Alamo. You can follow me 563 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:24,440 Speaker 2: across all platforms Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok whatever at Hector 564 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,719 Speaker 2: Luis Alamo. Be sure to visit Latino Rebels dot com. 565 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 2: We'll be covering this story as well as the you know, 566 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 2: recovery efforts in Puerto Rico. Shout out to Carlos in 567 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 2: Puerto Rico. Latian Rebels Radio, as you know, is brought 568 00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 2: to you by FTUDO Media and pr X. Shout out 569 00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 2: to our great producer, Oscar Fernandez, our editorial director Fernande Santos. 570 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 2: Thank you Julio jay As I call him for letting 571 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 2: me sitting in your chair for a second week in 572 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 2: a row. You know, I'm getting comfortable, getting better. But 573 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 2: thank you guys for listening. I'll catch you later. Peace. 574 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 5: Then that's not no welling in. 575 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 3: Listener care, no no existing. 576 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,560 Speaker 1: But when the saga does there have been America, no 577 00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: playing in my house, wearing my support that say this? 578 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 5: Then that no thing, that'ssy again. 579 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: No, that's gonna said. 580 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 5: Oh it's don't you feel No, I said that last 581 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 5: y us. 582 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: Then I've been America, no play in my house? 583 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 5: The web in man s been, no Medica sc like 584 00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 5: anything sad No may. 585 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 8: I live on Sandy so dory unda. 586 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 4: Then that's does the Americana not wear them as, don't 587 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:29,719 Speaker 4: play them? 588 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 6: Speaking la soil. 589 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 5: So set in my spa smoking on you. 590 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 6: That's a and I spoke, not bar them. I don't 591 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 6: buy them. 592 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 5: Saga No, I mean no. 593 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,840 Speaker 8: Sa no like your lady. 594 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 6: Sad the wh is. 595 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 4: Song. 596 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 5: The opinions expressed by the guests and contributors in this 597 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 5: podcast are their own and do not necessarily reflect the 598 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 5: views of Futuro Media or its employees.