WEBVTT - Breakthrough, Part Seven: The Vaccine Race

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<v Speaker 1>It's a cloudy, freezing Friday night in January. In Minds,

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<v Speaker 1>a university town in central Germany, or Shine, a doctor

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<v Speaker 1>and cancer researcher, bikes home from his lab in the dark.

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<v Speaker 1>He makes a cup of tea and settles in to

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<v Speaker 1>read the week's medical journals and starts with leading papers.

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<v Speaker 1>Has spent more than twenty years of his life trying

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out how to use the body's immune system

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<v Speaker 1>to target and destroy tumors. But tonight, a different disease

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<v Speaker 1>catches his interest. An ominous new virus is spreading in China.

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<v Speaker 1>Medical journal The Lancet has just published the first case

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<v Speaker 1>descriptions for forty one people who'd gotten sick in the

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<v Speaker 1>city of Juhan. Uger notices one thing right away. A

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<v Speaker 1>new message in this paper was that one of the

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<v Speaker 1>family members had the disease was VIBUS positive, but did

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<v Speaker 1>not have fever or other symptoms. This was new. The

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<v Speaker 1>asymptomatic cases meant the virus could spread in secret. The

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<v Speaker 1>symptoms described in the article are serious pneumonia, heart injury,

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<v Speaker 1>six deaths. Uer looks up the population of Juhan, eleven

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<v Speaker 1>million people, bigger than central London. Then he checks flights

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<v Speaker 1>between the city and the rest of the world. There

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<v Speaker 1>are dozens of flights every day. It was extremely highly

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<v Speaker 1>likely that this is going to be a pandemic, and

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<v Speaker 1>we started to discuss what we can do. The next morning,

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<v Speaker 1>he turns to the person he trusts the most, his

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<v Speaker 1>wife and fellow researcher with them too, Ritchy. She's the

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<v Speaker 1>one who challenges his big ideas, forces him to hone

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<v Speaker 1>his hypotheses. He spends about an hour showing her what

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<v Speaker 1>hend on. They both know the best weapon to fight

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<v Speaker 1>what's coming will be a vaccine. They've been testing a

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<v Speaker 1>new technology using messenger RNA and experimental cancer therapy, and

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<v Speaker 1>had done a lot of lab work on a potential

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<v Speaker 1>flu vaccine, but neither they nor anybody else had ever

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<v Speaker 1>used the technology in an approved medicine for humans. After that,

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<v Speaker 1>it was not about discussing. It was about asking the question,

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<v Speaker 1>how can we make this happen? If we really want

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<v Speaker 1>to contribute and try to engineer a vaccine, how quick

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<v Speaker 1>this work. They had never even done a patient trial

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<v Speaker 1>in infectious diseases before, just lab experiments. Nobody knew whether

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<v Speaker 1>it would work, but they were about to embark on

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<v Speaker 1>an unprecedented race to find a vaccine against COVID nineteen.

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<v Speaker 1>We decided to start a program because it was clear

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<v Speaker 1>it was an obligation to do something. Welcome to the

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<v Speaker 1>seventh episode of our series. In our last episode, we

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<v Speaker 1>heard about how researchers Catalan Kariko and Drew Wiseman worked

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<v Speaker 1>for decades and relative anonymity to lay the groundwork for

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<v Speaker 1>getting m RNA into cells. With the pandemic, their work

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<v Speaker 1>has a chance to make its way to patients far

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<v Speaker 1>faster than what would have previously seemed possible. This time

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<v Speaker 1>we're looking at the remarkable race to speed up development

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<v Speaker 1>time of a COVID nineteen vaccine in the usual decade

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<v Speaker 1>or so to a head spinning ten tranzied months. This

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<v Speaker 1>is a story about the biggest scientific breakthrough with the

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<v Speaker 1>pandemic mRNA vaccines. Now Suddenly, vaccines are the world's number

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<v Speaker 1>one priority and the race to make them is on. Soon,

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<v Speaker 1>hospitals and morgues will be filling up. Hundreds of thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of people are about to die in cities around the globe.

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<v Speaker 1>Every hour of every day is crucial as scientists race

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<v Speaker 1>to do years of work and months. Whoever gets the

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<v Speaker 1>finish line first, will make a name for themselves as

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<v Speaker 1>science heroes, victors in a once in a century war

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<v Speaker 1>with the killer virus. So many lives on the line,

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<v Speaker 1>and for the drug companies billions of dollars in profits too.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Naomi Kraski and I'm a health reporter

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<v Speaker 1>for Bloomberg News from the Prognosis podcast. This is Breakthrough,

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<v Speaker 1>the story of the COVID vaccine race starts with a

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<v Speaker 1>pair of young biotech companies. One is BioNTech, led by

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<v Speaker 1>Or Shah and it slam too duchy when we just met.

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<v Speaker 1>The other is Moderna, founded by Derrick Rossi, the stem

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<v Speaker 1>cell researcher we met in our last episode, and led

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<v Speaker 1>by a charismatic Frenchman. Needs to fund cell. Unlike BioNTech,

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<v Speaker 1>which had mostly been a cancer company prior to the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 1>Moderna was able to build on a lot of prior

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<v Speaker 1>work and infectious disease. Here's to fund the CEO. We've

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<v Speaker 1>been working on the mountain for ten years. We have

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<v Speaker 1>been working on infectious disease of vaccine for most of

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<v Speaker 1>those teneos. Moderna had started patient trials on nine other

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<v Speaker 1>potential vaccines against other infectious diseases before this pandemic vaccine,

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<v Speaker 1>so this was not new to us. We've been working

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<v Speaker 1>on it a lot. In Moderna had started working with

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<v Speaker 1>the US government to design vaccines. The project included mers

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<v Speaker 1>A coronavirus that it hits out of Arabia and other countries,

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<v Speaker 1>and the follows to fund. Briefed officials from the National

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<v Speaker 1>Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease known as NAIAD on

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<v Speaker 1>a factory the company had built in Massachusetts. It could

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<v Speaker 1>produce new vaccines in just sixty days. Steffun invited the

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<v Speaker 1>government officials to tour the facility. Sensing some skepticism, he

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<v Speaker 1>offered to do a test run for a hypothetical pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>The agency would send Moderna the genetic sequence for an

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<v Speaker 1>emerging viral disease. Moderna would see how fast it could

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<v Speaker 1>get a vaccine ready. The agency was about to pick

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<v Speaker 1>a virus to use when along came stars Covey two.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a perfect test case. So we were made

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<v Speaker 1>aware of the virus between Christmas and New Year of

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<v Speaker 1>We got the sequence from the Chinese government in our

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<v Speaker 1>January the tenth put online. By the fifteen of anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>we had the vaccine design lockdown on the computer, because

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<v Speaker 1>all in Silico we never touched a physical virus. Here,

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<v Speaker 1>it's helpful to step back for a minute and review

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<v Speaker 1>what distinguishes mRNA vaccines from conventional shots. In the old

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<v Speaker 1>way of doing things, vaccines introduced dead or weakened bits

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<v Speaker 1>of virus into the body primarily immune system to recognize

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<v Speaker 1>and destroy the real thing. Messenger RNA vaccines work differently.

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<v Speaker 1>They contain a template that cells will use to make

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<v Speaker 1>the bits of viral protein themselves, essentially turning the body's

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<v Speaker 1>own cells into vaccine making factories. The differences also extend

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<v Speaker 1>to manufacturing. Conventional vaccines are grown inside live cells. Some

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<v Speaker 1>even use chicken eggs. Messenger RNA vaccines don't need any

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<v Speaker 1>of that. Making them is a chemical process, a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit like cooking. Makes the ingredients together and you get

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<v Speaker 1>the vaccine. That may sound simple, but it isn't. Stefan

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<v Speaker 1>told us that going from the theory to actual drugmaker

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<v Speaker 1>seemed like a long shot when he quit his previous

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<v Speaker 1>job joined Moderna. But if he's going to work, you

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<v Speaker 1>would change medicine forever. Great pandemic. Bion tech had been

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<v Speaker 1>mostly focusing on cancer one thing it's scientists were able

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<v Speaker 1>to do in those early days was pull off the

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<v Speaker 1>method for developing rapid personalized versions of m RNA vaccines

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<v Speaker 1>based on cancer patients individual tumors. So we had the

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<v Speaker 1>technology that we could use a vaccine platform to come

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<v Speaker 1>up as a new vaccine was in a few weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>This is another really important point about mr anda of vaccines.

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<v Speaker 1>The technology itself took decades to refine, but within that framework,

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<v Speaker 1>designing a vaccine to target a particular pathogen is actually

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<v Speaker 1>really quick. Before mr and A vaccines came along, the

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<v Speaker 1>fastest vaccine project ever was the n and Drug Company

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<v Speaker 1>American co licensed to Shop for Moms. That took four years.

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<v Speaker 1>The scientists who led the project, Maurice Hillman, swabbed his

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<v Speaker 1>six five year old daughter's throat in order to get

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<v Speaker 1>the lab specimen he needed to make the shot. With

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<v Speaker 1>m r and A vaccines, you don't have to do

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that. You don't need swab samples. All you

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<v Speaker 1>need is the genetic code of the virus cattle and

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<v Speaker 1>carry co. The pioneering researcher who left academia to work

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<v Speaker 1>at BioNTech, says this and the event of the Internet

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<v Speaker 1>gives researchers a leg up. You know you you are

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<v Speaker 1>very young, so you don't remember, but how long it

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<v Speaker 1>took like for HIV to set up the test to

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<v Speaker 1>recognize this infected recognizing the I mean it took so

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<v Speaker 1>long because the technology was not advanced in minds. We

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<v Speaker 1>were an earths them get a slightly later start than

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<v Speaker 1>their US rival. They have their kitchen table conversation about

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<v Speaker 1>committing to a COVID vaccine a few weeks after MODERNA

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<v Speaker 1>is already working on the vaccine design, but they start

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<v Speaker 1>moving quickly. To the day after their decision to start

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<v Speaker 1>work on a vaccine, we were calls a series of

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<v Speaker 1>meetings with his manufacturing team, pre clinical testing team, and

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<v Speaker 1>business development team. The crowd into his office in Mines.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a simple room with the desk, conference table, some

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<v Speaker 1>family pictures tacked onto a bulletin board. It's on the

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<v Speaker 1>same hallway as the labs. He asks everyone to start

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<v Speaker 1>planning how they can divert resources away from their other

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<v Speaker 1>projects to a new full court press COVID vaccine push.

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<v Speaker 1>On this Monday, I had five or six meetings with

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<v Speaker 1>different and we had to day thereafter a board meeting

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<v Speaker 1>to discuss how this can be supported by other board members.

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<v Speaker 1>The same day, the first COVID case is confirmed in Germany.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a thirty three year old man living near Munich.

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<v Speaker 1>He works at an auto parts company. We had just

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<v Speaker 1>been in a meeting led by a colleague who was

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<v Speaker 1>visiting from China. We were assigned twenty five people to

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<v Speaker 1>work on a potential vaccine, setting up shifts that run

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<v Speaker 1>through evenings and weekends. It's basically seven operation. We had

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<v Speaker 1>to reduce the timelines. We tried to figure out how

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<v Speaker 1>to do that, and in principle we came up as

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<v Speaker 1>a number of really innovative strategies. One was doing things

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<v Speaker 1>in parallel instead of doing it sequentially. It's a risky

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<v Speaker 1>of a time saving decision. Usually companies don't prepare for

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<v Speaker 1>a pay Asian trial until they have a potential drug

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<v Speaker 1>to test. But Uger's teams start working on getting trials

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<v Speaker 1>ready to go already. They figure they can add the

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<v Speaker 1>details about the vaccine that's going to be used once

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<v Speaker 1>they have it, they start making multiple candidates. You need

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<v Speaker 1>to do a lot of detailed paperwork before you can

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<v Speaker 1>test any kind of drug on people. So Uger also

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<v Speaker 1>gets in touch with German clinical trial authorities. He knows

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<v Speaker 1>them well because of bion texts work with cancer vaccines.

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<v Speaker 1>He asked them for a meeting. Usually it takes three

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<v Speaker 1>months to get a meeting date. So I called them

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<v Speaker 1>and asked if we could come up just just data

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<v Speaker 1>day and and they said, first of all, prepare a

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<v Speaker 1>briefing book and if you've managed that, you can come

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<v Speaker 1>next week. So Uger's team works night and day to

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<v Speaker 1>write an ad page document describing there would be COVID

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<v Speaker 1>vaccine project. They agreed to our plan. The only only

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<v Speaker 1>challenge for us. They wanted to see a toxicology try.

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<v Speaker 1>It usually takes six months, and we wanted to start

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<v Speaker 1>in April. Yeah, so will be the beginning fable Abby

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<v Speaker 1>and they they quested to have a talk study and

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<v Speaker 1>they had to figure out how to do the talk

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<v Speaker 1>in in less than less than three months. And the

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<v Speaker 1>teams you get that out. Moderna is also doing things

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<v Speaker 1>in parallel, setting up the next steps for bigger trials

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<v Speaker 1>before the early ones are done. By February forty two

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<v Speaker 1>days after it started, the company ships the first batch

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<v Speaker 1>of vaccine to NAIAD. Remember that's the National Institute of

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<v Speaker 1>allergy and infectious disease. Like BioNTech, they are relying on

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<v Speaker 1>close partnership with regulators. Unlike BioNTech, they have a direct

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<v Speaker 1>government partnership. The National Institutes of Health is the co

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<v Speaker 1>developer of the vaccine. The Food and Drug Administration is

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<v Speaker 1>taking their calls at all hours of the night into

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<v Speaker 1>the weekend. Stefan says, I think one of the hero

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<v Speaker 1>of this remarkable SENSEFIC achievement of twenty is vf D

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, usually through the process is set up

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<v Speaker 1>by the agency. You know it would sometimes take months

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<v Speaker 1>to get an answer to a question. Well, here we

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<v Speaker 1>had answers on questions seven with the NIH to help them. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Darrena moves forward without a big farm a partner for

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<v Speaker 1>BioNTech in Germany, that's not the case we're in Aslam. No,

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<v Speaker 1>they can't run the huge clinical trials needed for approval

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<v Speaker 1>on their own. Neither do they have the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>global distribution you need the ship of vaccine all around

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<v Speaker 1>the world to succeed. They need a sponsor with deep

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<v Speaker 1>pockets who picks up the phone and calls his contact advisor.

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<v Speaker 1>The drugs behemoth based in New York. The companies had

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<v Speaker 1>already made a deal in to work together on an

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<v Speaker 1>m R and a flu vaccine. Phil Dormantzer, chief scientific

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<v Speaker 1>officer for Viral Vaccines Advisor, remembers that call who are

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to transfer people who are working on flu to

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<v Speaker 1>the new virus really just swapping out the influenza and

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<v Speaker 1>engine coding sequences and swapping in the stars COVID to

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<v Speaker 1>ANDREW coding sequences, because we like to be really out

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<v Speaker 1>in front of this new disease that's broken out in Wuhan, China.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember when I said vaccine makers no longer needed live

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<v Speaker 1>cells or swabbed samples to build vaccines, but that all

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<v Speaker 1>you need is the genetic code of the virus. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what Phil is talking about here, and this is a

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<v Speaker 1>big deal. Ion Tech might not have had ongoing human

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<v Speaker 1>trials with infectious disease vaccines, but they were already working

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<v Speaker 1>in the area. Paddlan explains how far along the flu

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<v Speaker 1>work already was. We were advancing those studies. Animals studies,

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<v Speaker 1>monkey studies were finished, and we were just there to

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<v Speaker 1>request the authorities work for the permission all of the sudden.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead of influence, so we switched over to to Corona.

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<v Speaker 1>By March two, they have twenty vaccine candidates that could

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<v Speaker 1>spur a strong immune response against the virus, and lab

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<v Speaker 1>animals and cell culture experiments. That day, Uber calls Katrin Jansen,

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<v Speaker 1>visors had a vaccine research and development and Phil spots

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't take long to convince her. I remember there

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<v Speaker 1>was a call on which Uger and Katherine Jansen, who

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<v Speaker 1>who leads vaccine research and development advisor UM and I

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<v Speaker 1>spoke about this and they said, well the work plan.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'll literally get him overnight typed up a work plan.

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<v Speaker 1>What are the things that we would do. The plan

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<v Speaker 1>goes to Albert Berla, visor CEO. Albert basically said we

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<v Speaker 1>are going all in on this, that this is clearly

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<v Speaker 1>an emergency. Albert said, in this circumstance, we need to

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<v Speaker 1>divert resources and do whatever is needed to bring the

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<v Speaker 1>vaccine forward. So his expectations of timelines were far faster

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<v Speaker 1>than anything that that that we would have imagine before. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>the FDA signs off on Moderna's plans for a trial

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<v Speaker 1>in humans. Stefan's team injects its first volunteers on March sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>About a month later, on April Bion second Fiser start

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<v Speaker 1>their human trial in Germany. Less than two weeks after that,

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<v Speaker 1>a US trial begins. I think we were the only

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<v Speaker 1>company which really started was all ever having ever tested

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<v Speaker 1>their their platform in infectas disease. And we've also the

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<v Speaker 1>only company which tested multiple candidates in pavalum Ugar is

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<v Speaker 1>talking about shoehorning in one more science experiment, he wants

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<v Speaker 1>to test four different potential vaccines in the first human

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<v Speaker 1>study to see which one is the best. It's risky

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<v Speaker 1>because it could delay development. Well, Darren has already picked

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<v Speaker 1>the full spike for its vaccine, but UGO wants to

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<v Speaker 1>try to optimize their shot as much as possible before

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<v Speaker 1>they give it to thousands of people. The question is

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<v Speaker 1>whether to make a vaccine based on only a piece

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<v Speaker 1>of the virus is spike or the whole thing. Picking

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<v Speaker 1>the right bit of the protein for the vaccine could

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<v Speaker 1>potentially make a big difference in how well it works.

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<v Speaker 1>And you could find in the literature arguments for both

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<v Speaker 1>and against both. And so we said, let's test both

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<v Speaker 1>and get the clinical data, get the preclinical data, and

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<v Speaker 1>then get the answers. In July, both Moderna and the

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<v Speaker 1>Fiser BioNTech team announced early data showing their vaccines can

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<v Speaker 1>produce antibodies in people. Biontechs first data is for the

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<v Speaker 1>version of the vaccine that made only one part of

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<v Speaker 1>the spike protein, something called the RBD domain. It's good data.

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<v Speaker 1>The clock is ticking. Some people want to move forward

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<v Speaker 1>with that version of the shot right away. We had

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of pressure from the clinical teams just to

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead domain it teams to insist on waiting for

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<v Speaker 1>the data from the full spike to see whether it

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<v Speaker 1>might wind up making a safer or more effective vaccine.

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<v Speaker 1>They have to move fast. While the pandemic has ebbed

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<v Speaker 1>in some places like Germany, the US is in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of a summer surge about to hit a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and fifty COVID deaths. Experts warned that another wave will

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<v Speaker 1>probably come in the fall. They rush blood samples from

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<v Speaker 1>volunteers to labs in Germany and the US. The safety

0:20:07.280 --> 0:20:10.320
<v Speaker 1>data shows that the full spike vaccine is even better

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<v Speaker 1>than the partial spike. It might cause fewer side effects,

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<v Speaker 1>gives a better immune response to so on July they

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<v Speaker 1>decide to go with that one. Remarkably, three days later,

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<v Speaker 1>on July, both Moderna and Fizer BioNTech start the huge

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<v Speaker 1>clinical trials necessary to win regulatory approval. There are tens

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<v Speaker 1>of thousands of volunteers. Their real life experience will show

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<v Speaker 1>whether the vaccines can work outside the confines of a lab,

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<v Speaker 1>whether they can make a dent against the virus in

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<v Speaker 1>real life. That summer, Moderna also get one billion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>in funding from Operation Warp Speed, the Trump Administration's effort

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<v Speaker 1>to hurry along vaccine development. The money is allocated via BARDA,

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<v Speaker 1>the Biochemical Advanced Research and Development Authority. I think this

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<v Speaker 1>is one story that is not talked about enough, is

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<v Speaker 1>what Balda and then Operation vout Speed did by you know,

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<v Speaker 1>sponsoring six companies, giving us the financial resources to take

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of business risk. Eiser doesn't take US government funding,

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<v Speaker 1>although the partners signed a one nine billion dollar contract

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<v Speaker 1>to sell one hundred million doses to the US government

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<v Speaker 1>if the show works, that's its own form of security.

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<v Speaker 1>Moderna has its own deal for one hundred million doses

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<v Speaker 1>for about one point five billion, and BioNTech takes German

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<v Speaker 1>government funds. They need the money to build a factory.

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<v Speaker 1>They've never had to new factor for millions of people before.

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<v Speaker 1>They searched Germany and find an old novartist vaccine factory

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<v Speaker 1>in Marburg, close to Frankfurt. They close on the site

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<v Speaker 1>in the fall and work on retrofitting it for m

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<v Speaker 1>R and A manufacturing. But there's a problem with making

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<v Speaker 1>a key part of vaccine. Or and Katherine Jansen talked

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<v Speaker 1>about this earlier this year at a conference hosted by

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<v Speaker 1>healthy website stat Yes that that was indeed the low points,

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<v Speaker 1>so we had an effect the vaccine. We wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>to produce one hundred million doses and then it turned

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<v Speaker 1>out that's one off the components did not work as

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<v Speaker 1>as expected. The problem was with lipid nanoparticles. These are

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<v Speaker 1>tiny bubbles of that that worked like a protective coating

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<v Speaker 1>for the vaccine. They keep the body's enzymes from destroying

0:22:54.359 --> 0:22:57.120
<v Speaker 1>it before it can make its way to a cell.

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<v Speaker 1>The lipid issue that we faced at one time, that's

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<v Speaker 1>through a real monkey wench, and it's so not only

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<v Speaker 1>did we have to keep the program on track, we

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<v Speaker 1>had to have a significant number of our colleagues, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>working through it and trying to understand it. It originally

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<v Speaker 1>said that if the vaccine worked, it could make a

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<v Speaker 1>hundred million doses. Because of the manufacturing issues, they had

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<v Speaker 1>to scale that back to fifty million doses. Well, we

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<v Speaker 1>faced enormous challenges like in in every in every development

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<v Speaker 1>program and vaccine development program, you have enormous challenges and

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<v Speaker 1>the difference why we usually those challenges of COVID ten years, Yeah,

0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:44.320
<v Speaker 1>the same challenges a nine months. By this point, they're

0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:48.240
<v Speaker 1>working NonStop to solve the manufacturing problems. But the biggest

0:23:48.320 --> 0:23:52.400
<v Speaker 1>question is still open, just how well does the vaccine work.

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<v Speaker 1>The answer will come in the huge study that Fiser

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<v Speaker 1>is running. They've expanded. It's more than forty patient people

0:24:01.280 --> 0:24:03.680
<v Speaker 1>all around the world who have volunteered to get two

0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:06.439
<v Speaker 1>shots in the arm without knowing whether what's in the

0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:10.240
<v Speaker 1>syringe is a vaccine or just a placebo. Then they'll

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<v Speaker 1>go out and live their lives and see whether they

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<v Speaker 1>catch COVID. If they get symptoms, the test will show

0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:20.680
<v Speaker 1>whether it's the virus. The researchers themselves also don't know

0:24:20.800 --> 0:24:24.040
<v Speaker 1>who got the vaccine and who didn't. It's just a

0:24:24.080 --> 0:24:28.080
<v Speaker 1>matter of time waiting to see how many people get sick.

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<v Speaker 1>And all around the COVID pandemic is getting worse. The

0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:38.199
<v Speaker 1>second wave is happening Europe heads back into lockdown. In

0:24:38.240 --> 0:24:42.520
<v Speaker 1>the US, the death toll hits two thousand people in September.

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<v Speaker 1>In only two months, another fifty people die. How we're

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<v Speaker 1>not in a good place for a couple of reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Cases surging in nearly every state, more than two new

0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:59.360
<v Speaker 1>cases in just twenty four hours in this country, alas

0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:02.880
<v Speaker 1>as a cruel much of Europe, the virus is spreading

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<v Speaker 1>even faster than the reasonable worst case scenario of our

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<v Speaker 1>scientific advisors. It's Sunday in November eight, almost ten months

0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:22.000
<v Speaker 1>after the Sunday morning when it's them and UGO had

0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:25.040
<v Speaker 1>talked about whether to tear up their company plan and

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<v Speaker 1>chase after a COVID vaccine. They're waiting in their apartment

0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:33.359
<v Speaker 1>for five or CEO Albert Burla to call. They're on edge.

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<v Speaker 1>They've heard that the independent panel of experts that's monitoring

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<v Speaker 1>the trial is reviewing the results. They're expecting the panel's

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<v Speaker 1>predict at any moment. We both are very tense. The

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<v Speaker 1>entire day. There was still the scenario that would be

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<v Speaker 1>oh THEO at all. Yeah, and remember that that understood

0:25:56.200 --> 0:26:00.040
<v Speaker 1>that I I was worried, and he said, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it does not matter what we hear later today, it

0:26:05.640 --> 0:26:09.160
<v Speaker 1>might well be that does not look good, but anyway,

0:26:09.280 --> 0:26:11.480
<v Speaker 1>it was worth it and it was of a moral

0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:15.359
<v Speaker 1>obligation to at least try it. Finally, at eight p m.

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<v Speaker 1>The phone rings. Albert is on the line. They put

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<v Speaker 1>him on speaker. He said, do you want to know

0:26:21.720 --> 0:26:28.000
<v Speaker 1>the Lisa, and I said no. I realized already from

0:26:28.119 --> 0:26:32.440
<v Speaker 1>his voice that there would be a positive a message,

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<v Speaker 1>but neither of them were prepared for just how good

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<v Speaker 1>the results would be. Ure told me he was expecting

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<v Speaker 1>efficacy in the range of against the virus. They have

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<v Speaker 1>to hit at least fifty for the vaccine to be

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<v Speaker 1>considered viable for the market. What they get is well

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<v Speaker 1>above nine. This was incredible. Yeah, this was just wave

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<v Speaker 1>taking and that in this moment he understood, Hey, days,

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<v Speaker 1>a vaccine for mankind and corna is is a problem

0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:13.240
<v Speaker 1>that can be solved. Across the Atlantic, Phil Dormantzer is

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<v Speaker 1>sitting in his apartment close to find SoRs office when

0:27:16.560 --> 0:27:19.720
<v Speaker 1>he gets a similar call. He's sitting in the small

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:23.160
<v Speaker 1>room where he does his work. Zoom calls and because

0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:26.920
<v Speaker 1>there's an embargo on this information, nobody can know because

0:27:26.960 --> 0:27:30.320
<v Speaker 1>nobody is supposed to trade on the announcement. His lips

0:27:30.320 --> 0:27:33.439
<v Speaker 1>are sealed. Once I found out, I couldn't tell anyone.

0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:37.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean, this was this was highly confidential material information

0:27:37.200 --> 0:27:40.200
<v Speaker 1>until it was announced publicly. I couldn't tell my wife,

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:43.199
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't tell anybody. So so it was. It was

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<v Speaker 1>actually a quiet moment. He has to keep quiet for

0:27:47.760 --> 0:27:52.000
<v Speaker 1>less than a day. On Monday, November nine, at six

0:27:52.640 --> 0:27:56.239
<v Speaker 1>am in New York, Visor and BioNTech send out their

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<v Speaker 1>press releases and break the news to the world. Trials

0:28:00.040 --> 0:28:02.800
<v Speaker 1>carried out by the U s pharmaceutical John Fisa and

0:28:02.920 --> 0:28:06.520
<v Speaker 1>the German manufacturer bio in Tech suggest they have created

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<v Speaker 1>a coronavirus vaccine which is more than nine effective. It

0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:15.159
<v Speaker 1>is a great day for science. It is a great

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:18.879
<v Speaker 1>day for humanity, sort of like a bright ray of

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:22.359
<v Speaker 1>sun pushing all the clouds away. The good news is

0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:25.960
<v Speaker 1>that science that has given us the vaccines that we

0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:42.480
<v Speaker 1>have have been a spectacular success story. We probably all

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:45.920
<v Speaker 1>remember the moment we learned a vaccine is coming and

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost certainly going to work. Since this is Bloomberg,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll put it into financial terms, that Monday the vaccine news.

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<v Speaker 1>Since stocks around the world soaring by more than one

0:28:57.800 --> 0:29:02.720
<v Speaker 1>point eight trillion dollars after months of uncertainty, people see

0:29:02.720 --> 0:29:05.840
<v Speaker 1>a way out of the pandemic. There are also some

0:29:05.880 --> 0:29:10.160
<v Speaker 1>skeptical voices that first press release doesn't have all the details,

0:29:10.880 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 1>the results of preliminary but it looks really, really good.

0:29:15.960 --> 0:29:19.360
<v Speaker 1>The researcher who helped start it all, Cattle and Kerrycho

0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:23.680
<v Speaker 1>gets the news in Pennsylvania. She'd been stuck in the

0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 1>US while the vaccine was being developed, running her lab

0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:30.320
<v Speaker 1>in Germany. Via video chat after being in Pennsylvania and

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:33.240
<v Speaker 1>a visit with her husband when countries closed their borders,

0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:37.760
<v Speaker 1>she tells CNNs Chris Cuomo she was confident the shot

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<v Speaker 1>would work. I heard you celebrated with an entire bag

0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:46.160
<v Speaker 1>of chocolate covered peanuts. Yeah it was Google. Yeah that's

0:29:46.200 --> 0:29:49.200
<v Speaker 1>my favorite. But you know, I am not a kind

0:29:49.200 --> 0:29:57.360
<v Speaker 1>of exuberant person who yeah, this is nice. In Philadelphia, JW.

0:29:57.400 --> 0:30:02.160
<v Speaker 1>Wiseman breathes a huge sigh of really, he'd been nervous

0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:06.200
<v Speaker 1>that great results and animals wouldn't translate. Remember how he said,

0:30:06.280 --> 0:30:09.800
<v Speaker 1>my sly and monkeys exaggerate. I got it in the

0:30:09.800 --> 0:30:14.960
<v Speaker 1>press release with everybody else. Um, so I was very nervous.

0:30:15.200 --> 0:30:19.920
<v Speaker 1>I was nervous because we've worked on probably twenty different

0:30:20.120 --> 0:30:27.600
<v Speaker 1>RNA vaccines or influenza, neuro virus, how HIV, a bunch

0:30:27.600 --> 0:30:32.760
<v Speaker 1>of different diseases, and just about every one of them

0:30:32.840 --> 0:30:38.800
<v Speaker 1>we had protection in our animal models. So I was

0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:42.840
<v Speaker 1>nervous because I was worried that the that the human

0:30:42.960 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 1>vaccine might be effective and we wouldn't know why and

0:30:48.440 --> 0:30:53.440
<v Speaker 1>we wouldn't understand why. So when I heard they were effective,

0:30:53.800 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 1>I was happy because that meant we saw in humans

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<v Speaker 1>what we had seen and everything from ice, the pigs,

0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:05.320
<v Speaker 1>the chickens and my cates to every animal we tried.

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<v Speaker 1>A week later, on November six, Moderna announces its vaccine

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<v Speaker 1>had been ninety four point five percent effective in a

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<v Speaker 1>similar huge trial. After more analysis, Visor bumps up its

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<v Speaker 1>trial results to From there, you know the story. The

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:28.280
<v Speaker 1>FDA and other regulators around the world clear the vaccines

0:31:28.280 --> 0:31:32.120
<v Speaker 1>for sale. That jump starts a global race to get

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<v Speaker 1>enough shots. The vaccines will almost certainly be this year's

0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:40.480
<v Speaker 1>best selling drugs. The fiser BioNTech shot is on track

0:31:40.600 --> 0:31:44.360
<v Speaker 1>for thirty six billion dollars in sales. Moderna had to

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<v Speaker 1>scale back its targets because of problems getting all the

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 1>vaccines it made into files and out to customers, but

0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:54.440
<v Speaker 1>still it's seeming for up to eighteen billion dollars in sales.

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<v Speaker 1>The vaccines can't end the pandemic all by themselves. Another

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<v Speaker 1>wave is rolling across the Northern Hemisphere and a new

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<v Speaker 1>highly mutated variant called Omicron has just emerged. Our ability

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<v Speaker 1>to deal with both will be hampered by significant pockets

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<v Speaker 1>of unvaccinated people who don't trust a shot that was

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<v Speaker 1>developed so fast people still need masks. Countries with enough

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<v Speaker 1>doses to go around are rolling out booster shots the

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<v Speaker 1>top of community that seems to fade slightly around the

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<v Speaker 1>six month mark. The vaccines are also increasingly being approved

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<v Speaker 1>for kids. Lower income countries are in an even tighter

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<v Speaker 1>spot as wealthier places gobble up the available doses. But

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<v Speaker 1>as you were said, the shots have shown us the

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<v Speaker 1>light at the end of the tunnel, and if they

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<v Speaker 1>need to be altered to deal with the Omicron variant,

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<v Speaker 1>that should be possible within a matter of months. In

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<v Speaker 1>December eighteen, Catle and Curry Coo Andrew Wiseman go together

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<v Speaker 1>to get vaccinated. Pennsylvania hospital had started giving shots two

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<v Speaker 1>days before and we are collaborating ever since, you know

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<v Speaker 1>we met at the xerox machine. They had come full circle.

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<v Speaker 1>We're waiting the hashcare workers into in line there to

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<v Speaker 1>get their vaccine, and you know, they collapsed and then

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<v Speaker 1>then I dried. It was exactly what she had wanted

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<v Speaker 1>why she left academia to take the job at BioNTech,

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<v Speaker 1>the chance to see her research help people. M Next

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<v Speaker 1>we come Breakthrough, We'll talk about what researchers like Catalan

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<v Speaker 1>and Derek were originally hoping to do with m R

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<v Speaker 1>and A your diseases. We'll look at whether success against

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<v Speaker 1>COVID is just the first step towards helping people with

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<v Speaker 1>everything from cancer to multiple sclerosis and malaria. Wherever protein

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<v Speaker 1>is needed, it can be applied. That could be six

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<v Speaker 1>thousand genetic diseases, oncology, cancer, mutated jeans. This episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Prognosis Breakthrough was written and reported by me Naomi Krasky

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<v Speaker 1>So for Foreheads as our senior producer. Carl Kevan Robinson Jr.

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<v Speaker 1>Is our associate producer. Our theme music was composed and

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<v Speaker 1>performed by Hannas Brown, Ema Court and Bob Langreth contributed reporting.

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<v Speaker 1>Rick Shine is our editor Francesco Levi is the head

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