1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Join us. But the great American Thanksgiving Day tradition, the 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: streets of New York City are aligned with millions of 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,239 Speaker 1: spectators and Holida each year is in the air, a 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:17,119 Speaker 1: celebration filled with television and music's biggest stars, world famous balloons, 5 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: incredible marching bands, phenomenal floats, and ron andanian. Here we 6 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:26,080 Speaker 1: are in America. Everybody's got to join a gym. Everybody's 7 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: got to run on a treadmill. Everybody's got our job 8 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: to wride a bicycle, get some exercise. But they're too 9 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: lazy to get out of a vehicle. Walk up to 10 00:00:34,120 --> 00:00:36,240 Speaker 1: a front hub and go, click and move the four 11 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: wheel drive hub from freewheel into lock. That tire doctor, 12 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: All we really want to do is fix your car. 13 00:00:46,920 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: We just want to solve your problem. We want to 14 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: make you comfortable with it. We want to make sure 15 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:52,959 Speaker 1: you're not getting ripped off by your mechanic. We want 16 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: to make sure that your mechanic, if they have any questions, 17 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: they know who to call them, that we're here to 18 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: help them as well. Welcome to the radio home of 19 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: on An the Car Doctor. Since this is where car 20 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: owners the world overturned to for their definitive opinion on 21 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 1: automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, 22 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: pick up the phone and call in. The garage doors 23 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:17,759 Speaker 1: are open, but I am here to take your calls 24 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: at eight five five five six, and now he running. 25 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:28,320 Speaker 1: Welcome Ronny in the Car Doctor here at eight five 26 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:31,320 Speaker 1: five five six zero nine nine zero zero. That's eight 27 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,800 Speaker 1: five five five six zero nine nine zero zero. I 28 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 1: am Ronny in the Car Doctor, the one and only 29 00:01:37,240 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 1: here all these years waiting to talk to you about 30 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,759 Speaker 1: your car and it's problem, whatever you've got going on. 31 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: That's what the Car Doctor does and has done these 32 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: past twenty five years on radio. More information about this 33 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 1: radio show at Car Doctors Show dot com. There's an 34 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: affiliate list there via tune in dot com. Naturally, we 35 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: are allowing you to subscribe the podcasts at I heart 36 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: iTunes and soon to be the Google version of that. 37 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: I'm not I don't recall the name. 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The show's live Saturday afternoons to to four 48 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: pm on the network and out onto the affiliates or 49 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,400 Speaker 1: some of the other affiliates on the lay broadcast. But 50 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: if we're not at eight five five zero nine nine 51 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: zero zero, call and leave a message fast Harry, our 52 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: executive producer. We'll hook you up and get you in 53 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 1: que and we can talk to you about your car problem. 54 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: But if you need me during the week, Ron at 55 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 1: Car Doctor Show dot com. I want to start off 56 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: this week and first of all, say thank you for 57 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: being here. I'm glad to be here with you. You know, 58 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: I think about this show during the course of the week, 59 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: and you know you try to do this from the 60 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: hip and I have for so many years and be 61 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: honest and just just what's off the top of your head. 62 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: But I also have to sit and think what will 63 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: you tolerate? What will you listen to and accept? And 64 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: I want to just start off this hour by saying, 65 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: I hope it doesn't offend anybody, but how honest are 66 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: you do you? Are you honest with your mechanic and 67 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: are you honest with yourself? Case in point two thousand two, 68 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: Chevy monte Carlo, a Dale Earnhardt Chevy Monte Carlo came 69 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: into the shop this week at Ario Automotive. And I've 70 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: known the owner for a long long time. He used 71 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: to be the parts manager for a local Volvo dealer, 72 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: and then he's moved in around the industry, and you 73 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: always sort of stay in touch with your context. They 74 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: just never seemed to go away. And partly because I 75 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: think the industry is shrinking and the database of available 76 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: people is just is shrinking, not growing, and you tend 77 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: to stay and stud in touch with everybody. And when 78 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: John brought it in, he wanted a cool and flush, 79 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 1: cool and flush and look it over and just you 80 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: know what kind of condition is the car? And and 81 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: a Dale Earnhardt Monte Carlo was a little special, all right. 82 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: It's it's a little bit of a trivia piece. Obviously, 83 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: it's a tribute to the man, and they're just nice cars. 84 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 1: If this was a standard two thousand two Chevy Monty 85 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: Carlo with a hundred thirty thousand miles on it. I 86 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 1: would have told him take it to the crusher. But 87 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 1: because it's an earnhard because it was number four dred 88 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: and thirty two out of the proposed or produced three thousand, 89 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot made that year, then it makes 90 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: it a little bit of a rarity. But I looked 91 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: at the car and I, you know, I went through 92 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: and I did what I had to do. I scanned it, 93 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: I did a checklist. It was in for a coolant service. 94 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: I took out the rusty, brown, cruddy coolant and pumped 95 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: in some fresh green. I'm not really sure why, because 96 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: you know, John was gonna just it had been sitting 97 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: and he wanted to just put some fresh coolant in 98 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: it before he let it sit some more through the winter. 99 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,560 Speaker 1: And the honest question, the honest part, is is he 100 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: being honest with himself? Is he ever really gonna fix 101 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:07,880 Speaker 1: this car? Is he? And that's the part I don't get. 102 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: You know, you're taking what's g a neat piece, it's 103 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: a piece of automotive history, and you're letting it rought away. 104 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: The airbag light was on the cool It was disgusting. 105 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: The oil was muddy. It had a misfire and had 106 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 1: a misfire so bad that I was afraid to run 107 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:30,839 Speaker 1: the car long enough to let it warm up too. 108 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: You know, once I did the cooling system service, I 109 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: had a perge air and it was sort of like, GI, is, 110 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: how long do we want to run it? How much 111 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: damage do I want to do to the catalytic converter 112 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 1: that hasn't been done already and the rest of the 113 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: systems because it doesn't run right. There were oil leaks. 114 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: The front brake squeaked, and I kind of cringed as 115 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: I backed it out of the shop just to put 116 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: it out front because he was gonna pick it up. 117 00:05:55,240 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: After the little bit of service, I looked at that 118 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,279 Speaker 1: little scale model model of of Dale's car on the 119 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: back shelf, and you know, I think Dale would be crying. Um. 120 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: He would have been upset because that isn't what he 121 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 1: envisioned for a Dale Earnhart piece. And it made me 122 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,839 Speaker 1: think about other cars. You know. It's it's funny, but 123 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:19,280 Speaker 1: lately there's a phenomena going on and I'm speaking out 124 00:06:19,320 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: there to all the collectors. You guys, that have those 125 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: cars squirreled away in the garage that you're gonna get 126 00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: to eventually. You've got to be real honest with yourself. 127 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: You know what, if you remember driving those cars back 128 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: in their prime in the fifties and the sixties, you're 129 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: even older than me. If that's possible, You've got to 130 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: ask yourself, you know when, when are you gonna do this? 131 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: Either fix it, either restore it, or sell it to somebody. 132 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: Take a kid into your wing and have them help 133 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: you do it and show them what car collecting and 134 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: cruising and hot rods were all about. And and really 135 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 1: that's the point of this opening conversation that I just 136 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 1: want you to be honest with yourselves, that I want 137 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: you to stop and take a look at the possibility 138 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 1: of what are you saving it for? Because in John's cases, 139 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: I pointed out to him when he picked it up, 140 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: I said, John, you've got to get on this because 141 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: at the rate you're going, there's not much left to save. 142 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: The oil is getting muddy, the trans has a fold 143 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: code in it. It's gonna need to be overhauled. And 144 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: I didn't say it to him from the point of 145 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: trying to embarrass, but trying to motivate. And that's what 146 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: I'm trying to say to each and every one of 147 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: you because I realized I have this ability. I have 148 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: this thing called a microphone that I get to speak 149 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 1: through every Saturday and talk to you, particularly about your problems, 150 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 1: but also about my perspective on where this industry can 151 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: go and where auduermobiles in general can go. I know 152 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: one thing that when you're gone, and that sixty three 153 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: split window corvettes sitting in the garage underneath the car 154 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: sheets and the and the milk crates and all the 155 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: other stuff you've got piled on it. And I know 156 00:07:58,760 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: where there's one like this right here in New Jersey. 157 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: So I'm not speaking, you know, out of school and 158 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,840 Speaker 1: and not from fact. I know when you're gone, your 159 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 1: kids are gonna look at it and go, what do 160 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 1: youna do with Pop's old car? I don't know, it's junk. 161 00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: Let's just throw it away? And how much of a 162 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 1: collectible is it? Then? Hello, and welcome Rod and Ady 163 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: in the Car Doctor zero nine nine zero zero. This 164 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: radio show is about cars, their problems, collecting them, talking 165 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: about restoring them, repairing them, making you feel comfortable with 166 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: them down around the bottom of the hour, We've got 167 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: a very special guest returning. It's been a while since 168 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: we've talked to Jim donnally, Jim donnally from Hemming's Motor 169 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: News class at Car Corner. If we recall from three 170 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: years ago, we've we've been busy, Jim's been busy, but 171 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: we decided to bring him back appropriately enough this time 172 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: of year. We're gonna talk to Jim about the turkeys 173 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: of car collecting, those cars that didn't quite make it, 174 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,040 Speaker 1: and it's an interesting conversation. I've already had part of 175 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: it with him, and I guarantee you know we're not 176 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: gonna talk solely about the Etzel. This isn't about just 177 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: the Ezel. But there were some collectibles the thirties, forties, 178 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: fifties and sixties that some of them are surprising when 179 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: you stop and look at the answers. One of them 180 00:09:11,280 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: really shocked me. It stopped me in my tracks because 181 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: it's one of the most sought after cars today from 182 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: the fifties and um it made me stop and think that, Wow, 183 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: I guess there's just some things you don't stop and realize. 184 00:09:22,040 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: This time goes by coming up the second hour, we're 185 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 1: gonna be joined by Mike zip Zippo's Electronics out of Bloomfield, 186 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:31,360 Speaker 1: New Jersey. Blooming I think it's um I'll get the address, 187 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: I'll get the town where he is. But Mike's been 188 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 1: with us before, and we're gonna talk about audio. We 189 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:37,719 Speaker 1: thought this time of year, everybody's out getting ready, going 190 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: holiday shopping for whatever occasion you want to celebrate. And 191 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: Mike's gonna stop by to talk to us about car 192 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: stereos and GPS s and all the neat things you 193 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 1: can get in the way of electronics for your car. 194 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 1: So we've got an awful lot in the next two hours. 195 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: The phone banks are full. Let me pull over and 196 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 1: take this pause, and when the Car Doctor returns, we're 197 00:09:53,640 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: gonna kick the rage. Doors wide open, stay tuned. Well, 198 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: she got her day stars Dashingcuda snow in my Arrusty 199 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: down the road, I go, sliding all the way. Welcome back, 200 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: ran in the car Doctors, sliding along all the way here, 201 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: Rusty Chevrolet. That's song to get her by a piece 202 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: that I don't know. Rusty snow Eaters broke the door. 203 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 1: Let me do the show, Rusty Chevrolet. That sort of 204 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:45,839 Speaker 1: sounds anti American. Tom, I'm not sure how I like that. 205 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: M Chevrolet's don't rust They just quietly fade away. Randy 206 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: in the car. Doctor Here, let's kick the garage doors 207 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 1: open at eight zero nine zero zero, Harry, Who do 208 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: you have up first for me today? First, my wonderful 209 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 1: executive producer Fair Terry. Thanks for being here with us today, Harry, 210 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: how was your week? That was good? Yeah? Um, how 211 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: is your date? It was good? You know, all America's watching, 212 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: We actually see an email. Everybody wants to know how 213 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 1: Harry's date was. Harry's date was great. She's a great girl. Yeah, 214 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: and you had a good time. Where'd you go last night? Instan? 215 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: You had a third date list night and we went 216 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: go kart racing. Yeah, it figures you would take a 217 00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: girl go kart racing. Well else she wants to learn 218 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: how to drive defensively and stuff like that, and I 219 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: showed her, and who better from fast? Harry? That's right, 220 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 1: that's right baby. Who got The funny part is we 221 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: were racing on the track and they had the high 222 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: powered carts. And after we're done, I said, and what's 223 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: the lesson? Here? She goes fast? Harry rules. That's right 224 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:44,120 Speaker 1: against asked Harry rules? What was us whatever? Whatever? All right, 225 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 1: come on, let's get back to business. Thank you. I'd 226 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: like to do a show today. Can I can you 227 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: tell me who's on my first up? Sure? Randy is 228 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 1: online one. He's from shell Rock. I always got a 229 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: two thousand three Chevy Avalanche and he's got his lost 230 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: leakst that goes away, which kind of sounds like every 231 00:11:57,800 --> 00:12:01,640 Speaker 1: wife's dream. Yeah, there you go. Are you guys done? Now, 232 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: let's not get carried away boys, Randy, welcome to the car, doctor, sir, 233 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: pardon the pardon the boys. They're all riled up today. 234 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: It's the holidays. How can I help? Uh? Yeah, I 235 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: got it exhaustly. It's on the left side, and uh 236 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: as the engine warms up, it just right? Is it? 237 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 1: Is it forward? Randy? Is it right at the engine? 238 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: At the manifold itself? It doesn't last long enough for 239 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 1: me to really tell. I can tell us either at 240 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 1: the vota where the manifold hooks up to the exhaulf 241 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:45,439 Speaker 1: at the head Yeah, sure, very common ear fact avalanches, 242 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:48,080 Speaker 1: well not avalanches. This has to be the five point 243 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: three or the six? Oh yeah, um? Kind of common 244 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 1: because there's not a lot of gasket material there and 245 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: if it even has a gask, and if it doesn't, 246 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: what happens is the exhaust manifold swarp where it sits 247 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: against the head. Here's the problem getting the bolts out 248 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: of the head. For some strange reason, general motors locktights 249 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: the bolts into the head. So you know, here's a 250 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,679 Speaker 1: truck twelve years old, thirteen years old. Getting those bolts 251 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: out of the head is going to be a project, 252 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: and it takes a little bit of persuasion, and it 253 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:24,599 Speaker 1: takes a whole lot of time. You know. One of 254 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 1: the things you could try. Do you have access to 255 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: any tool? Do you have access to a smoke machine? 256 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: By chance not a smoke machine. About the best I 257 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: can do is like, okay, you know, well, because to 258 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: diagnose it, Listen, if we were in the shop and 259 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: we're gonna diagnose it, if I had the vehicle overnight, 260 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: I'd block off all the exhaust except for the tailpipe 261 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: because this has to be the one side. I'd figure 262 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: out a way to just pump smoke in and look 263 00:13:52,240 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: to see where is it, where does it come out of? 264 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: And chances are you'll see the leak on that left 265 00:13:56,480 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: side manifold, all right, Um, as far as pinpoint thing 266 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: and finding the leak. The other thing you could try 267 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 1: is if you can get it up in the air 268 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: and look underneath. For some reason, they usually fail on 269 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: the bottom of the manifold. It may be up top, 270 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: but look for any signs of black, any signs of 271 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: carbon tracing. At least then you know you're in the 272 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: right area of the manifold itself, because where there's carbon, 273 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: there's a leak. All right, If it if it comes down, 274 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: if if it comes down to where the manifold has 275 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: to come off. If you need an excuse to buy 276 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: a tool, this is probably the job for it. There's 277 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 1: a product out there and I don't remember the name 278 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: of the company, but it's a it's a magnetic induction heater. 279 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: There's not a lot of money. They're about five bucks 280 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: on Amazon. And what it is is it's it's it's 281 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 1: like the size of a hair a hair curler. Okay, 282 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: it's about twelve inches long. It's got a heating iron 283 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: in the end of it that uses magnetic induction electronic induction. 284 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 1: You touch the head of the bolt that will glow 285 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 1: the bolt cherry red within a minute. And the reason 286 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: it's nice on that job, and I've used this specifically 287 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 1: for this, is that heat will melt the lock tight. 288 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: The GM put on the bolt that's now on the threads, 289 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: it's inside the head. So that little bit of direct heat, 290 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: that little bit of direct heat will loosen things up 291 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: and you'll be able to spin the bolt out. The 292 00:15:16,520 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 1: problem with p B, as good as p B or 293 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 1: any rush penetrint, is it can't get inside the threads 294 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: inside the head, all right, especially right, there's gonna be 295 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 1: there's gonna be a pink lock tight. I won't say 296 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: it's lock tight lock type, but to me, it's a 297 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: thread locker of some kind. And I never understood why 298 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: they would do that, you know, like they're afraid the 299 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: bolt's gonna fall out. I don't get it, uh, you know, 300 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: but it's it does make It does make removal on 301 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: the vehicle as it gets older a whole lot worse. 302 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: All right, sir, Give give that a shot and let 303 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:52,720 Speaker 1: us know, Hey, make out. But it's a great idea. 304 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: If your family is listening and they want to know 305 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: what you want for Christmas, get just get yourself one 306 00:15:56,760 --> 00:16:00,320 Speaker 1: of those go a Google and electronic induction heater. Um, 307 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: you won't be disappointed. Let's go over and talk to 308 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: rich Springfield, Mass two thousand six Toyota and some problems 309 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: with filling it up with gas. Richard, Welcome to the 310 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: car doctor, sir, How can I help you? Um? Yea, 311 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 1: I have my daughter has a two thousand six Corolla. 312 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: She got about a month ago. And whenever you fill 313 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: up with gas, the tank fells fine. But then when 314 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: the nozzle, the pump nozzle kicks off, about a quarter 315 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: a half second later, about a couple full of guests 316 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: come and spits back out the filler nozzle. And I 317 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: tried checking the you know, the little vent tube that 318 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 1: goes along the filler neck, and that seemed clear, and 319 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: I thought maybe something with the charcoal canister. As far 320 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: as I can tell, that's fine. And when I tried 321 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: removing the vent between the charcoal canister and the tank 322 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: and filling up with gas and it's still did the 323 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: same thing. Well, Richard, I can think of It's like 324 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: if there's a check valve at the bottom of the 325 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: cell neck tube, were in the tank itself. Yeah, hang 326 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 1: on a second, women, are you saying so you can 327 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: put the nozzle in the neck and fill it up 328 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 1: with fuel and you don't have a problem. Correct, It's 329 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: when it kicks off, fuel splashes out right about a 330 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 1: quarter a half second later. Yeah, okay, what happens if 331 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: you only fill the tank up halfway and turn the 332 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: pump off. Um haven't tried that. It would be fine, okay, 333 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: because I'd just be curious. It is because the level 334 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 1: is so high, or is there something restricting flow preventing 335 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 1: it from going down the neck? There are some problems 336 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: with the neck. I have not heard of this as 337 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: a particular problem. It's very common though. If this was 338 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: a it won't take gas question, it's more than likely 339 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,680 Speaker 1: in the charcoal canister, or it can be in the 340 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: fill neck itself. The fill neck does have some problems, 341 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 1: and that Yeah, there is a check valve in it. 342 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,720 Speaker 1: There is there is a device in there to prevent 343 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: fuel from slashing back. So I would focus my attention 344 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: on the neck just where you're going, Okay, And that's right. 345 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: But he's been able to tell me at the Toyota dealership, however, 346 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: with the check valve is actually on the film neck piece, 347 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: or if it's actually on the tank, and the tank 348 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: would have to be replaced right now. I believe it 349 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,200 Speaker 1: to be on the neck. But it's not a it 350 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 1: is not a common question. It's not a common failure. 351 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: Usually the way this gets diagnosed as far as a 352 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,440 Speaker 1: spit back out of the neck as we start talking 353 00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 1: about disconnecting the line between the canister and the neck 354 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: and then the canister and the r VR and uh 355 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: working on it that way, the vapor recovery system. So 356 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: but take a look at the neck and I think 357 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 1: you'll find the problem there. I'm running any in the 358 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: Car Doctor. Hey, coming up next, Jim Donnelly, a little 359 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: bit of classic car information? What are the biggest Turkeys 360 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 1: of all time? Stay tuned. The Car Doctor's got the 361 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: answers coming up right after this. Welcome back. We're on 362 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: the knee of the Car Doctor. You know, we all 363 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:04,159 Speaker 1: spent the summer and part of the fall looking at 364 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 1: classic cars and going to car shows or cruising and 365 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: just saying, you know, look at these cars, how great 366 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: they are and the chrome and the polish, but not 367 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 1: everything as it appears. And our next guest, if you're 368 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:21,719 Speaker 1: a long time Car Doctor listener, you'll recognize him right aways. 369 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: Jim Donnelly. He is with the folks over at Hemming's 370 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,479 Speaker 1: having his Motor News. More information about Jim and classic 371 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: cars can be found at Hemmings dot com. And we're 372 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,480 Speaker 1: thrilled to have him back here with us today because 373 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 1: we thought we would invite Jim back to talk a 374 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,560 Speaker 1: little bit about the turkeys of the classic car, this 375 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: being the Thanksgiving weekend of the Car Doctor, and we're 376 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,840 Speaker 1: thrilled to have him here with us once again. Mr Donnelly, 377 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 1: how are you, sir, my friend. It's good to hear 378 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,720 Speaker 1: from you. It's been a while. It's been a while. 379 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: Time flies by, Okay, It's it's great to be back, 380 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: it really really is. I'm very grateful. Um, we're glad 381 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: to have However, I did not have turkey on Thanksgiving. 382 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: I had meat low from Boston mar kids. So I 383 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:05,119 Speaker 1: can do this broadcast with a clear conscience because we're 384 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: gonna talk about turkeys and you're gonna get your silver. 385 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: You know, some cars are just iconic, right some some 386 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 1: people look at iconic classic cars and say, wow, you 387 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: remember that it was, But they're not all what they appear. 388 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: Let's take it by decade. Jimmy the thirties. What what 389 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: was the big turkey or turkeys of the nineteen thirties. Okay, 390 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 1: let's take this in reverse order. Turkeys plural, and there 391 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: are probably people who want to string me up by 392 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: my ankles for this, but some of the biggest turkeys 393 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 1: we're what we call full classics today. I'm talking Duisenberg, 394 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: hackerd Um, Marmon, Auburn Cord, Pierce Arrow Um. And if 395 00:20:57,080 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: anybody in the audience is drawing in the collect of 396 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: gasp right now after hearing that, the problem with those 397 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: cars was as magnificent as they were, and it's technically 398 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: advanced as many of them were, they came out at 399 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: the wrong time. They came out in the middle of 400 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: the depression, and a lot of those cars ended up 401 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 1: being either scrapped in World War two metal drives, or 402 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: beyond that, they ended up being uh sometimes converted into 403 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: farm trucks, tow trucks, rural fire apparatus. Uh I. Guess 404 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 1: what we could take away from this run is that 405 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 1: when you're in a situation of introducing a new car 406 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 1: or a new concept, the timing has got to be right. 407 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,680 Speaker 1: It's not everything. So let me ask you this. So 408 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: you're saying, I'm agog you know, to me a Usenberg 409 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: is I mean, what's a Duisenberg worth today? Jim uh 410 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: round numbers. Last one I can recall seeing, which I 411 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 1: believe was that Arms Sothobes and um Monterey was about 412 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:21,120 Speaker 1: one point six million dollars, So a one point six 413 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: million dollar car and you're calling it a turkey because 414 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: the public didn't accept it. So, you know, the timing 415 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: of the depression. Was it that more people would have 416 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: bought them if they had the money, or was it 417 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 1: that the styling and the appeal just didn't catch on. No, 418 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: that's part the point you're raised round about people having money. Yes, 419 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: that's part of it. There was also a sociological aspect 420 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: to it where even people who had wealth and didn't 421 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,119 Speaker 1: lose it, I didn't want to flow. I didn't want 422 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: to be seen in public in these incredibly austin tatious cars. 423 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: Don't don't get me wrong. I think the Duisenberg is 424 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: one of the grandest cars that the international auto industry 425 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: has ever produced. I really do it. And however, given 426 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: the product development cycle was existed back then, which is 427 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 1: probably five years for a car as opposed to probably 428 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: less than one today. Um. Those those cars came out 429 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:36,920 Speaker 1: at absolutely the wrong time, they really did, and a 430 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: lot of them didn't survive. They were scrapped or junked. Um. 431 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: And as a consequence of that, they are their prized day. 432 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: There's so few of them left. I believe there's about 433 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,080 Speaker 1: two fifty dus and Bergs left in the world. And 434 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: that's what makes I'm worth the one one point six million. 435 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: Let me move it along, so the the beyond the 436 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: what I'll call the out of the reach of the 437 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: normal person. Christ you know, Chrysler had some turkeys in 438 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:18,200 Speaker 1: the thirties, didn't they And and to me, that's a 439 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: really sad story. It really is. Uh. Chevrolet greatly upstanding there, 440 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 1: excuse me. UM escalated their position in the market in 441 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: the in the thirties, going towards for it obviously had 442 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: the flathead V eight in a series of gorgeously styled 443 00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: cars by Bud Gregory and others. And Chrysler, however, took 444 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:55,200 Speaker 1: a flyer on this radically designed sedan that they called 445 00:24:55,280 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: the Airflow and it was a wonderful, fully design, it 446 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: really was. It was crashworthy, but there was a demonstration 447 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: of it being rolled down a mountain side and being 448 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: able to be driven away. But here the ad there's 449 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 1: always a butt, isn't it. Um. The problem was that 450 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: it was simply too radical. The car had an extremely rounded, 451 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: streamlined shape, and I think that Ford and General Motors 452 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: were scared enough of it that they issued surreptitious spot 453 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:45,400 Speaker 1: information saying, oh, well, these cars are built to be wrecked. 454 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: And they never really caught on with the public. It 455 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 1: never did. There was a Chrysler airflow, there was a 456 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: DeSoto airflow, and there was also an Imperial airflow, because 457 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: the Imperial was a separate name plated Chrysler back then. 458 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: And they just never caught on and it was gone by. 459 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: And if you go beyond that ron and look at 460 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: the cars that Chrysler produced into the nineteen fifties and 461 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties, they were utterly conventional, very ch Yeah, Chrysler 462 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 1: in handbreaking, yeah, but they looked like shoe boxes. Hey, listen, 463 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: before the clock takes us. In the forties, there was 464 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:42,200 Speaker 1: the Packard clipper. Um, I know that's I know that's 465 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: on the list too. So I'll tell you what you 466 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: think about an explanation for that in a minute or 467 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 1: less while we're away, Let's pull over and take the plus. 468 00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: Stay right where you are, Jimmy, I'm ronading the Car 469 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 1: Doctor here with Jim Donnelly of Hemmings. Will both be 470 00:26:54,480 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: back right after this. Welcome back. We're on then of 471 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: the Car Doctor. We're here with Jim Donnelly of Hemmings 472 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: Class or Hemmings dot Com, Hemming's Motor News. Jim. When 473 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,639 Speaker 1: we pulled over and took the pause, we were just 474 00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: about to get into the forties and Packard. And it's 475 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,360 Speaker 1: interesting to note that the fall of Packard in the fifties, 476 00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: one could make the argument started in the forties with 477 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: that of the Packard Clipper. It actually even started before that, 478 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: because Packard saw the writing on the wall. I'll be 479 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 1: too late that there these massively gradios cars they manufactured. 480 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 1: Uh into the depression. We're going to make it and 481 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: or we're going to attract enough buyers to support the 482 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: company and keep it afloat. The first car that they 483 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: came out there was a bar in car was the 484 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 1: Packard one twenty. Today it's got a following. Initially a 485 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,640 Speaker 1: lot of people ripped it, and then after the war ended, 486 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: they went back and did for the first time they 487 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: did a full envelope body and installed a straight eight 488 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: in it, uh an l head straight eight and they 489 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: called that the Clipper. Is there anything wrong with that car? Run, No, 490 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: there's not. But the problem is what everybody else was doing. 491 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 1: They were investing their money in new drive trains, overhead 492 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: valve eates, hemispherical combustodyates, and it just wasn't enough. They 493 00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: could ended up buying out Packard and then Studa Baker 494 00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 1: went away. And it's just funny how the how, how 495 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 1: the chains evolved. Let's get into the fifties, Jimmy, because 496 00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: this has got some real surprises in it. What are 497 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: some of the turkeys in the fifties. I may get 498 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:16,840 Speaker 1: burned a steak for this, but um, as iconic as 499 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:21,880 Speaker 1: these cars are, I look at a car at cars Pearl, 500 00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: like the Chevrolet, No man, beautiful car. You was a 501 00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 1: try five Chevy guy, probably love it too, hum no 502 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: criticisms there. However, it was a two door station wagon 503 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: that was based on a motor show car. And if 504 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: you remember the motor motor role excuse me, motor Rama 505 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: show car was actually based on a Corvette, and um 506 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,200 Speaker 1: it wasn't it was. They were inherently in practical. It 507 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: wasn't too fair emily friendly. In the fifties were all 508 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: about family. So so beyond the nomad. There's another name 509 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: on your list that I saw, the Thunderbird. Mroll please, 510 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: the Ford Thunderbird, the original Ford Thunderbird, the early bird 511 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: from were parts been built cars. They were rushed out 512 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 1: in kind of a panicked reaction to the Corvette, and 513 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,080 Speaker 1: by today's standards, and even by their own day standards, 514 00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:36,800 Speaker 1: they have very little in the way of performance, credibility 515 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: um or creating an image for anything else but like 516 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: cruising down the seaside road. They were not They were 517 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,239 Speaker 1: not marketed as a performance car. They probably should have been, 518 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: and that kind of set the stage for the Thunderbird 519 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: going forward. As long as that car existed, it was 520 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 1: the They're a luxury coup or luxury sedan or a 521 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:12,080 Speaker 1: luxury roadster without a lot of cred Interesting. Hey, Jimmy, 522 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: let's get into the sixties. We got two minutes left 523 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: the sixties. What are some of what do we see here? 524 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 1: What were some of the mistakes they were making here? Okay, 525 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: I picked this out. There's any number ones you can 526 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,120 Speaker 1: pick out but this is what I picked. In the 527 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: early nineteen sixties. From about nineteen sixty two on, General 528 00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: Motors had a new line of what they called upmarket compacts. 529 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: The older we left five, the Buix Special, Skylark, and 530 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: the Pontiac Tempest. They were compacts you could depending on 531 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,000 Speaker 1: which one you ordered, you could get an aluminum V eight, 532 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: a turbo charged aluminum V eight, or a front rear 533 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: transaxle car in the in in the Pontiac Tempest that 534 00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 1: had fifty weight distribution, they did not find buyers and 535 00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: big numbers, and that's too bad because they were innovative cars. 536 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: The most successful car GM built of that size in 537 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: those years was the Chevy Nova, which was a totally 538 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: totally conventional design. So I guess suffice it to say, 539 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 1: what makes it a Turkey today is based on how 540 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: many people brought it back then. Um. Even though even 541 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: though we treasure and chase these cars today it's there, 542 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: they're not what they appear to be to us. That's 543 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: absolutely right. Right In the end, the automotive business is 544 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: about making money, and if the car doesn't do it, 545 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: if it can't reach its break even point, like the 546 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: Packy Packard clipper couldn't even do what What's what have 547 00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: you accomplished? Hey, listen, the clock is gonna take me. 548 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 1: What's the website people want more information about Hemmings. Yes, 549 00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: the website is ww doub you dot Hemmings h G 550 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: M M I n G S dot com. And we 551 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: also have a a digital daily newsletter you can sign 552 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: called The Hemming's Daily and dropped down to the bottom 553 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: of our web page and you can sign up. You 554 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: know what the best thing about it is, It's free. Perfect. Hey, Jimmy, 555 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: we'll talk again. It's been far too long, my friend. 556 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: I'm running any in the car Doctor will be back 557 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,520 Speaker 1: right after this. No no no no no no no 558 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: no no no no no no no no no no 559 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: no no no no no no no no no no 560 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: no no no no no no no no no no 561 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:57,520 Speaker 1: no no, no, no, no no no welcome back or 562 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,240 Speaker 1: on any of the Car Doctor once again thanks to 563 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,840 Speaker 1: Jim Donnelly, Hemmings Motor News. More information at Hemmings dot com. 564 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: Quick piece of email. Let's see here. Hey, Ron, I've 565 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,359 Speaker 1: got to rap four six cylinder two thousand eleven. I've 566 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: changed the coolant and I've done some fuel injection cleaning. 567 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: I'm ready to put spark plugs in it. What sort 568 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: of plugs would you recommend? It's been a great car 569 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: so far. I appreciate your show and I listen every week. 570 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: This comes to us from Casey. Casey, what you're looking 571 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: to do is best plugs out there on the market, 572 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: dense O T T s. Get yourself a set of those. 573 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 1: They're gonna work really well in that Toyota. They're very 574 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: specific on their heat range, which is one of the 575 00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: things people don't think a lot about. And one of 576 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: the advantages with Denso is they are a very precise 577 00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: company and all that they do, all their parts are 578 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,279 Speaker 1: built to a very exacting standard. But they're dense O 579 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: T T A ridium spark plugs are top shelf and um, 580 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,320 Speaker 1: they're right at the top of the list at the 581 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: Car Doctor Us. A matter of fact, we installed a 582 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: few sets this week at the shop and we'll continue 583 00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: to do so. One thing I like about then, so 584 00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 1: I do not worry about the product that I do. Um. 585 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: You know, there are some companies out there that I 586 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: kind of frown upon and I'm skitterishaw on using them, 587 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 1: and I try to avoid a but then so, um, 588 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: you know, very good spark plug, very well thought out. 589 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: There's a lot of engineering that goes into their spark 590 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,839 Speaker 1: plugs and a lot of conversation. One of the things 591 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: you have to remember about the components and the product 592 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: that they're putting into their plugs. Um, it's engineered to 593 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 1: last a hundred thousand miles and um they mean it. 594 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,839 Speaker 1: They've got the engineering reports to prove that. And that's 595 00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 1: one of the big advantages and one of the reasons 596 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 1: and one of the things you want to look at 597 00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: when it comes to plugs. You can read more at 598 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: dense O t T dot com. That's dense O t 599 00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,960 Speaker 1: T dot com for your case. If you have any questions, 600 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: drop us an email Ron at Car Doctor Show dot 601 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: com or just to give us a Quali N zero. Boy. 602 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: This hour went by quick, and um there's another hour 603 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: that's gonna come by and fly by two coming up. 604 00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,320 Speaker 1: Next hour, we're gonna talk to Mike Zip from Zippo's 605 00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 1: Electronics and New Jerseys. Mike is gonna be stopping by. 606 00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: We haven't talked to Mike in a while. We want 607 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,359 Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about you know, what's new 608 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,319 Speaker 1: for the holidays. There's a lot of there's a lot 609 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 1: of stuff you can put in a car today. Um, 610 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: it's not necessarily guess tires and oil. It's electronics, is GPS, 611 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: it's video, it's you know, for the days when all 612 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: you did we got in a car, when you got 613 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:03,560 Speaker 1: in behind the way, they turned the key, it started 614 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: and it ran. But um, Mike's gonna be stopping by 615 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: it a little bit later on in the next hour 616 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: to talk to us about that and how that's sort 617 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,399 Speaker 1: of changed and it continues to evolve. I know he's 618 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,280 Speaker 1: just back from Seamas, so we'll get the full skinny 619 00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,800 Speaker 1: on what was out there till that time. I'm ro 620 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 1: Ani in the car doctor, reminding you good mechanics aren't expensive, 621 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: they're priceless.