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Speaker 1: So will this be the week? God Danny surrec with

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Speaker 1: me Bird Gang. Will the Cardinals hire a head coach

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Speaker 1: this week? It does sound like the field of candidates

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Speaker 1: has narrowed. Plus we discussed championship Sunday and don't look now,

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Speaker 1: but mock Draft season is officially underway at Cardinals Cover two,

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Speaker 1: Episode nine two, and it starts now.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 3: Who to Baker?

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Speaker 1: What Heart?

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Speaker 3: What rent? This guy's unbelievable?

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Speaker 1: Right up the five, hit to the end upe for

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Speaker 1: the Cardinal touchdown, Drey McBride, he's been an absolute monster.

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Speaker 3: Here's Craig Griolo.

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Speaker 1: So how do we feel about a Seahawks Patriots matchup

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Speaker 4: The matchup, New England deserves to be there. More than Denver.

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Speaker 5: I will say, though, backup quarterback Jarts didn't looked better

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Speaker 1: The stat was he hadn't completed a pass over the

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Speaker 5: Season, So that was impressive. How Denver gave it their

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Speaker 5: I think Seattle is the more complete team, and so

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Speaker 5: it doesn't surprise me that they beat LA. I knew

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Speaker 1: I like storylines, and I think this is a perfect storyline,

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Speaker 1: not only the past history, but you look at Seattle

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Speaker 1: to speaking of stories, we don't know? But is this

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Speaker 1: on asycardinals dot com saying whoever it is hired as

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Speaker 5: Craig, if you were a Betty Man, which you know

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Speaker 1: Where do you stand on home field advantage for a

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Speaker 5: Caleb Williams in Chicago is a great example there. And

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Speaker 5: bringing in Sam Donald and having Mike McDonald and the

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Speaker 5: pieces that they brought in, I mean, that's telling to

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Speaker 5: have moved on from Gino Smith and taken a chance

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Speaker 5: on Sam Donald, who showed some good things in Minnesota

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Speaker 5: showed some not very good things in Minnesota, and that's

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Speaker 5: not easy to do, but it's possible.

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Speaker 1: And even going back to Mike McDonald's first year, after

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Speaker 1: that first year, they made a change at offensive coordinator,

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Speaker 1: and again you talk about it, you pair the right

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Speaker 1: head coach, play callers, and obviously personnel begins with the

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Speaker 1: quarterback and Darnold on Sunday three hundred and forty six

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Speaker 1: passing yards, three touchdowns, no interceptions, and the two games

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Speaker 1: against the Rams in the regular season six touchdowns I

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Speaker 1: should say two touchdowns, six interceptions, So he cleaned it

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Speaker 1: up on Sunday to send the Seahawks into the Super

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Speaker 1: Bowl while they'll play the Patriots again. New England their

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Speaker 1: twelfth Super Bowl appearance, four more than any other franchise,

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Speaker 1: in their first since twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 5: So the football gods were laughing when people were saying,

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Speaker 5: we have Chiefs fatigue, and they said, okay, we're bringing

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Speaker 5: back the Patriots. Beggars can't be shoosters.

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Speaker 3: Craig and we talk about the weather.

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Speaker 1: If there's a better team as equipped as the home

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Speaker 1: team to deal with the snow is New England. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they play in snowy weather all the time, so to

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Speaker 1: see them succeed maybe not as surprise, especially when you

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Speaker 1: look at the quarterback situation as well. Yes, Jared's didham okay,

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Speaker 1: but Drake may just just a little bit better, certainly

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Speaker 1: in the second half when those conditions became almost near

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Speaker 1: impossible to do anything.

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Speaker 5: I haven't even looked at what the weather is going

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Speaker 5: to be in I shouldn't say San Francisco, San Jose,

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Speaker 5: which the only thing to really worry about would be

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Speaker 5: rain of any sort, maybe some wind, But I haven't

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Speaker 5: even looked. I did see though, that neither team is

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Speaker 5: going to set up shop at the.

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Speaker 4: Forty nine ers facility.

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Speaker 5: They're both going to be at college campuses, which isn't

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Speaker 5: a big deal. It's not necessarily a breaking story, but

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Speaker 5: it is more common than not that one of the

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Speaker 5: teams traveling in the Super Bowl uses that home team's facility.

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Speaker 5: I mean that happened here when the Super Bowl was here.

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Speaker 5: It was the Eagles, I believe, who were in the

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Speaker 5: facility here. So again, not a big story by any means,

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Speaker 5: but something interesting that both the Seahawks and the Patriots

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Speaker 5: will be at different college campuses.

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Speaker 1: And now all we have is what thirteen days, twelve

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Speaker 1: days to hear about it and read about it and

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Speaker 1: watch people talk about it. Again, it's the difference, going

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Speaker 1: back to what you said about the Super Bowl, It's

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Speaker 1: more than just the game itself. It's a celebration for

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Speaker 1: the National Football League and for the sport in general.

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Speaker 1: And I do think it's good that there are two

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Speaker 1: weeks to get ready for this game because there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of logistics for these teams specifically.

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Speaker 3: And again.

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Speaker 1: I can't We'll have more time to discuss this a

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Speaker 1: little bit later on next week, but right now, my

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Speaker 1: feeling hasn't changed when it comes to teams within the

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Speaker 1: NFC West, and it's difficult it might be for some

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Speaker 1: people to want the Patriots to win again.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to go to New England.

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Speaker 5: It would not be fun that twice a year we'd

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Speaker 5: have to talk about the Cardinals playing the ragining Super

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Speaker 5: Bowl champs in the Seahawks, and.

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Speaker 1: It would certainly destroy any thoughts that Paul might have

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Speaker 1: to say last place Seahawks, because that would just completely

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Speaker 1: go away.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, might have to.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's I feel like it's weird to necessarily

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Speaker 5: root for another team anyway, but I guess yeah, pulling

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Speaker 5: for the Patriots.

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Speaker 3: Here before we go away here on this Monday.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if you noticed over the weekend, actually

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Speaker 1: late last weekend and early this morning, Danny, but the.

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Speaker 3: Mock drafts are out, oh boy.

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Speaker 1: And when we talk mock drafts, it doesn't really begin

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Speaker 1: until my melkiper Junior and Daniel Jeremiah put theirs out.

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Speaker 1: Mel did late last week, Daniel did this morning. And

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Speaker 1: by the way, four weeks from today, Danny, you and

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Speaker 1: I will be on our way to Indianapolis for the

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Speaker 1: scouting Combine, which is always fun A lot of work.

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Speaker 3: I apologize in advance.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how many different people we will talk to,

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Speaker 1: but it is good to hear different perspectives from different

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Speaker 1: people on how they view what we deal with from

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Speaker 1: the inside, but get an outside perspective on.

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Speaker 3: The Arizona cars.

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Speaker 5: You know, I was thinking about this this morning, Craig,

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Speaker 5: and I wish I could find a more eloquent way

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Speaker 5: to describe how I was thinking this through this morning.

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Speaker 5: But when it comes to the Cardinals drafting third overall

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Speaker 5: today Monday, January twenty six, before the Cardinals have made

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Speaker 5: a head coach announcement, doesn't it kind of feel like

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Speaker 5: one of the biggest not a crab shoot, but kind

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Speaker 5: of a crab shoot of who the Cardinals are gonna

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Speaker 5: draft because there's so many questions that have to get

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Speaker 5: answered between now and three months from now the draft

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Speaker 5: in Pittsburgh. Who's going to be the head coach, who

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Speaker 5: is going to be the quarterback of this team? What

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Speaker 5: are the moves in free agency going to be now?

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Speaker 5: The free agency moves those always come before the draft.

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Speaker 5: So when you're talking about draft prossbacks and you know

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Speaker 5: who your team could likely draft in the first round,

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Speaker 5: it's always going to be up in the air until

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Speaker 5: free agency kind of that first wave comes and goes

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Speaker 5: a month before the draft. There's just so many questions

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Speaker 5: at this point that it's it's hard to kind of

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Speaker 5: figure out which direction this team could possibly go at three. Now,

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Speaker 5: as I continued to think that through, what makes the

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Speaker 5: most sense when you have questions, what is a guarantee

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Speaker 5: that you need to win games? You gotta win at

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Speaker 5: the line of scrimmage, you gotta win in the trenches.

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Speaker 5: And when you're looking at needs for this team, regardless

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Speaker 5: of who the head coach is going to be, regardless

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Speaker 5: of who's going to be the quarterback, you need strong

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Speaker 5: protection for an offense to generate success. So as we

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Speaker 5: stand here right now, I you know, can't give specific names,

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Speaker 5: but I would really think that is a very strong

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Speaker 5: possibility that with the third overall pick, the Cardinals take

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Speaker 5: an offensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly where both mel kiper Junior and Daniel

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Speaker 1: Jeremiah went different offensive lineman. For mel it was Francis Smalinoa,

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Speaker 1: the offensive tackle out of Miami. For Daniel Jeremiah, it

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Speaker 1: was the offensive tackle out of Utah, Spencer Fano. But

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Speaker 1: what they wrote is something that you just brought up.

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Speaker 1: Here's what Melchiper Junior wrote about the Cardinals and that

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Speaker 1: selection of an offensive tackle. And this is part of

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Speaker 1: a longer rite up. The quarterback situation is still unsettled,

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Speaker 1: but no matter who is under center, the protection has

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Speaker 1: to be right. Daniel Jeremiah pretty similar saying, quote, there's

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Speaker 1: no clear quarterback answer for them at this point in

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Speaker 1: the draft. That makes a selection that will benefit whoever

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Speaker 1: ends up under center. So again, the quarterback is great.

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Speaker 1: You need a strong quarterback. You need someone who can

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Speaker 1: direct an offense and lead a team. But if that

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Speaker 1: quarterback has no time to throw or find themselves on

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Speaker 1: their back too many times, it doesn't matter how good

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Speaker 1: they are.

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Speaker 3: You need protection upfront.

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Speaker 5: This is an offensive line this past year that was

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Speaker 5: also pretty banged up. You have some free agents to

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Speaker 5: be that are going to hit the market on six

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Speaker 5: weeks or so, with free agency in the middle of March.

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Speaker 5: So regardless, that's a really great position to start looking

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Speaker 5: at of what's in need. An offensive line kind of

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Speaker 5: pops out and then you start to talk about what's

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Speaker 5: the answer at quarterback going to be? Is Kyler Murray

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Speaker 5: the answer, and is he going to be an Arizona

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Speaker 5: Cardinal in twenty twenty six and beyond?

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Speaker 4: And if he's.

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Speaker 5: Going to be the Cardinal or he's not, someone is

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Speaker 5: and whoever that is is going to need protection. And

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Speaker 5: this is an offense, it's going to have to completely

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Speaker 5: turn things around in the run game. It's hard to

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Speaker 5: do without protection, right And if you want to give

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Speaker 5: your quarterback enough time to allow the routes to develop

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Speaker 5: for your wide receivers, say with me, Craig, what do

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Speaker 5: you need protection?

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Speaker 4: You didn't say it with me, but I think we

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Speaker 4: were on the same page.

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Speaker 5: So either way, where things stand right now? Now, look

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Speaker 5: we you and I could do a dozen interviews at

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Speaker 5: the combine and somebody could say something and I could think,

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Speaker 5: you're right, maybe the Cardinals do need help on defense

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Speaker 5: a little bit more. I find that very hard to

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Speaker 5: believe that I will I will feel anything other than

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Speaker 5: an offensive lineman for the pick at three.

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Speaker 1: There's other names as far as edge rushers. Okay, you

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Speaker 1: want protect the quarterback, but there's also okay, can you

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Speaker 1: get after the quarterback? And again it's a it's a

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Speaker 1: much larger discussion, but some early names to keep an

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Speaker 1: eye on, especially when you talk about the offensive line.

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Speaker 1: And then just flashback a few years ago when the

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Speaker 1: Cardinals had the third overall pick and had well Anderson

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Speaker 1: on the board and elected to trade down only to

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Speaker 1: move back up to get the offensive tackle. And if

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Speaker 1: you go off past history, is that something that Mani

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Speaker 1: likes shore up the line of scrimmage and the protection

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Speaker 1: of your starting quarterback.

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Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, we haven't even it's too early, so

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Speaker 5: it makes sense why we haven't talked about the possibility

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Speaker 5: of trading down. But it's interesting because there were a

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Speaker 5: handful of teams that finish with the same record, So

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Speaker 5: the Cardinals won't have the third pick in the second round,

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Speaker 5: they'll have the second, and so it kind of rotates

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Speaker 5: between those what three teams of every round you kind

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Speaker 5: of move up and then you shuffle back down. So

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Speaker 5: it wouldn't surprise me this early on to have the

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Speaker 5: thought of maybe the Cardinals do use that early, that

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Speaker 5: high second round pick, and they trade back in to

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Speaker 5: the first round and you get two first round picks,

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Speaker 5: similar to when they took Marvin Harrison Junior and Darius

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Speaker 5: Robinson back down at twenty six.

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Speaker 4: Anything's possible. The draft is three months away, the combine

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Speaker 4: is a month away. We still don't know who the.

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Speaker 5: Quarterback is going to be. We still know who the

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Speaker 5: head coach is going to be. Some one step at

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Speaker 5: a time, pray.

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Speaker 1: More importantly the head coach, who is that person going

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Speaker 1: to be? And as we come full circle here on

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Speaker 1: Cardinals cover to please Michael Mani and whomever else may

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Speaker 1: be in charge, can you wait until Danny returns?

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Speaker 5: You know, if we can get through Tuesday, the likelihood

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Speaker 5: of the head coach being announced this week feels a

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Speaker 5: lot slimmer.

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Speaker 4: So selfishly that would be great.

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Speaker 5: But also I won't hold it against them. You guys

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Speaker 5: can hold down the fort without me for a few days.

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Speaker 1: Won't be the same, won't be nearly as good or great,

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Speaker 1: but we will do our best.

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Speaker 5: You know what, Craig, I've got a perfect cute little

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Speaker 5: niece that I've got to go meet and hold.

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Speaker 4: So that's that's what I'll be doing.

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Speaker 1: Family first, then football. So you got your priorities in order.

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Speaker 1: Should be fun, have a great.

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Speaker 3: Trip, save travels, and again, knock on wood.

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Speaker 1: Here we wait until Danny returns for head coach of

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Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals and On that note, we will put

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Speaker 1: a lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented

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Speaker 1: by Yundai, proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always,

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Speaker 1: special thanks to our executive producer Jim Mamahundra, our associate

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Speaker 1: producer Cody Fincher. For Danny Sirek, I'm Craig Rayolou. We'll

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Speaker 1: talk to you next time here on Cardinals Cover two