WEBVTT - Coat Check | Steve Mix 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:03.640 This podcast is part of the seventy Sixers podcast Network. 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:18.280 Search seventy sixers podcast wherever you get your podsoe Lotelottolotoo WHOA. 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:30.120 Welcome in to coat Check, the official podcast of the 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:33.400 Delaware Blue Coats, the NBA G League affiliate of the 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:37.720 Philadelphia seventy Sixers. Coat Check is presented by land Rover 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:41.680 Wilmington Experience the land Rover Discovery as part of the 0:00:41.760 --> 0:00:45.440 family road Trip sales event at land Rover Wilmington. Stop 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:50.279 by their location at forty three ten Kirkwood Highway in Wilmington, Delaware, 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:54.200 or visit land Rover Wilmington dot com for more information. 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.880 I'm Matt Murphy back with another episode. The goal is 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:00.480 to do as many of these as possible during the 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:04.559 NBA G League offseason. Look out for new episodes every 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.960 two weeks on the seventy Sixers podcast network, and you 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:13.000 can also find the show under Delaware Bluecoats a fantastic 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:16.800 guest for this episode, we're throwing it back to former 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:23.560 Sixer the mayor Steve Mix. This conversation was originally posted 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:27.479 on our Bluecoats YouTube channel, so in addition to myself, 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:32.000 you will also hear my Bluecoats beat co host Joe Richmond, 0:01:32.040 --> 0:01:36.240 who of course is the ambassador of basketball for the Bluecoats, 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.959 and Joe brought the energy as always what else would 0:01:39.959 --> 0:01:44.800 you expect from Joe Richmond. We discussed Steve's connection to 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:48.600 the G League, his playing career with Doctor j and 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:52.960 the seventy Sixers, and much much more, all of which 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:56.400 is coming up in a moment after this message from 0:01:56.480 --> 0:02:01.520 Christiana Care. Of course, as doctor's nerves and caregivers, and 0:02:01.720 --> 0:02:05.640 as neighbors and friends, Christiannacare is a partner in everyone's 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.920 journey to greater health and well being. Why do they 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:13.160 do it? For the love of health? Visit Christiannacare dot org. 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:19.639 Very pleased to be joined by a long time Philadelphia 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:25.200 seventy Sixers player, an All Star, and a former seventy 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:29.880 Sixers color commentator, the Mayor Steve Mix. We're really looking 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:33.200 forward to this one, Steve. We're gonna jump right into it. 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:36.240 Thanks for joining us today. What have you been up 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:40.200 to most recently, well about five years ago, we ended 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.480 up moving down here to Vero Beach, Florida, from Toledo, Ohio, 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:46.960 and down here I've been putting on, trying to put 0:02:47.000 --> 0:02:50.480 on some basketball camps down here. Not very successful as 0:02:50.520 --> 0:02:53.160 all the All the sports basically is an outdoor sport 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:56.320 down here. Your football, your baseball, you know everything else. 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:59.519 Basketball is about the fifth sport down here. But you know, 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.440 I stay in shape by riding my bike, swimming and 0:03:02.520 --> 0:03:06.440 playing golf. Playing golf, I can appreciate that I've been 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:08.760 trying to get out as much as I can. And Joe, 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:11.840 I know, Steve is someone you and I have been 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:14.560 looking forward to chatting with for ever since we've heard 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:17.200 about it, So it should be a lot of fun. Yeah, 0:03:17.280 --> 0:03:19.480 And I'm I'm gonna start off by just I'm gonna 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:23.120 die right, is Steve? Because Matt Steve had to Steve 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.120 had to deal with you owed me? Was Steve Steve? 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:31.080 How was that? Well? You know, it was interesting because 0:03:31.600 --> 0:03:34.520 Doug Collins and I came in together back in seventy 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.760 three seventy four, and the year after they won nine 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.160 games and lost seventy three. Fact I was cut from 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:42.360 the nine and seventy three team, but I came back 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:45.880 the following year and made the team then, and I 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:47.840 was I was a comeback Play of the Year and 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:50.160 then an All Star after that, and then Doc comes 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:53.560 and he takes my spot, so I become the unofficial 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:56.040 six man a year. But you know what, it was 0:03:56.040 --> 0:04:00.520 a ton of fun watching watching us as a team, 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:03.440 you know, with Billy Cunningham and then and then George 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:06.400 mcginnison and Doc and you know, that whole group of 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:10.400 guys going through there. I'm thrilled to death that they 0:04:10.480 --> 0:04:12.640 will were able to win a championship. But I was 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:15.520 on the Lakers team that year that they won, so 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:17.720 I'm like, okay, I was old for four as a 0:04:17.920 --> 0:04:20.960 as a guy that got into the NBA finals, but 0:04:21.080 --> 0:04:23.680 that's okay, I got there. I know guys that played 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:25.480 in the league for ten twelve years and never even 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:28.600 made the playoffs. So I had what I considered a 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:34.160 very good, good career. Wow, quite the comeback story at 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:36.280 the start of your career. And we will get to 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:40.320 your NBA and seventy sixers career well also at the end, 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:42.360 touch on maybe a little bit of your Big Three 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:47.839 coaching career and some other fun mission topics at the buzzer. 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:51.120 But before we go there, first things first. With the 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:54.200 Blue Coats being the NBA G League affiliate of the 0:04:54.320 --> 0:04:57.960 seventy Sixers, what is your connection Steve to the NBA 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:03.360 G League former league D League. That was interesting because 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:06.839 what I ended up doing back in nineteen ninety ninety 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:09.760 two tells you how old I am. Uh Tony de 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:11.800 Leo came to me and asked me if I wanted 0:05:11.839 --> 0:05:14.559 to go around the league and be their big man coach. 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:16.760 So I was able to go around that year and 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:20.160 try to develop the big guys in uh, in the 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:22.800 D League. There are some guys that I was able 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.440 to help them made it in the NBA, and UH, 0:05:25.760 --> 0:05:27.599 you know you did. You talk to them, you show 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:29.840 them things, you work with them, but you're only there 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:32.320 for a short period of time. But I thought I 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:34.640 was pretty successful in doing that and showing the big 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:38.560 guys what was what was necessary to get that next 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.440 level up. That was for all the teams in the league. 0:05:42.279 --> 0:05:45.080 All the teams in the league, I went around. They 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:47.520 had a shooting coach and then they had a big 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:49.200 man coach, and I was their big man coach. So 0:05:49.279 --> 0:05:51.279 I went around. I traveled around to all the teams 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.040 and tried to help the big guys get to the 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:58.360 next level. Wow, how about that? That's that's that? But 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:00.720 that fits right in with who you, Steve, when you 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:04.400 was with the Sixers six seven six eight Bruiser. You 0:06:04.560 --> 0:06:06.720 came in, you stuck some of the toughest guys on 0:06:06.839 --> 0:06:09.480 the opposite team. You knew how to mix it up. 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.440 I remember that one series against Boston with the almost 0:06:12.480 --> 0:06:14.680 booed you out the gym every time you came. I 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:17.719 got off the base because you just created havoc every 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.360 time you went down there, moving bodies out of the way. 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:23.360 And I always told Matt, I know, Doc had a 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.280 joke with you used to call your sky but you 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:29.520 never really jumped that high. But you were guy. You 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.400 knew how to get into certain places and positioning yourself. 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:37.560 Playing against the parishes of the world, the Marcus Johnson's 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:40.320 of the world, the more Reese Lucases of the world. 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.800 You just knew how to position to yourself. And I always, 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:46.400 I always, I was telling Matt. We when we were younger, 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.600 and you used to get the game, you and Bobby Jones. 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:50.880 It's like you guys are coming in. It's like somebody's 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:54.400 about to get their teeth docked out right there. You know. 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:58.080 It was interesting too, because I mean I had growing up, 0:06:58.160 --> 0:07:01.520 I had two older brothers, you know, and the one 0:07:01.600 --> 0:07:04.000 thing that I always tried to do. I always My 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:06.600 oldest brother is about eight years older than I am, 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:10.000 so my goal was to beat him. And I was 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:11.920 able to beat him when I was in high school. 0:07:11.920 --> 0:07:14.280 And I couldn't beat the middle brother until I got 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:17.480 into college because he played at the University of Toledo 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:21.320 as well. And I was taking a butt whooping every 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:23.960 day from that guy. And I would show up the 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.160 next day and I'm okay, here I am, I'm going 0:07:26.240 --> 0:07:28.520 to get you again. But he put me under his 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:30.679 wing and took me all the places that he played. 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:32.920 And I hadn't had a great high school coach and 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:35.800 college coach and Bob Nichols and then came to came 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:38.560 to the NBA, and it is interested in the NBA 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:41.280 because I did not have an outside jump shot at 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:44.480 the time. So my goal was to develop an outside 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:47.200 jump shot eighteen foot nineteen foot jump shot was I 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.880 was able to do. And then in the low post, 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.000 tried to develop more low posts moves. So by the 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:55.760 time I retired after thirteen years in the NBA, I 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.040 had thirteen moves in the low post that I could 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:00.240 go to that I knew I could get guy up 0:08:00.280 --> 0:08:02.080 off the ground and get in the least contact or 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:06.120 get to the bucket. Anyway, Oh, speaking to your development 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:09.240 as a player, We'll talk about the NBA more in 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:12.400 a second, but I gotta squeeze in a CBA question 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:16.880 because you did briefly play in the Continental ballotball of 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:22.200 a minor league. So I feel like everyone who either played, coached, 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:24.880 was involved with the CBA at all has all types 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:28.600 of crazy stories. But for those who don't know, where 0:08:28.720 --> 0:08:31.720 did you play and what was it like? Well, it 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:34.959 was a weekend, weekend tournament, so you would play on 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:39.199 Fridays or Saturdays or Saturdays and Sundays. And if we 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:41.240 won the game, I got one hundred and five dollars. 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:43.920 If we lost the game, I got eighty five. So 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.640 I was working really hard for twenty bucks. And you know, 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.120 so in that league, I was playing for a team 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:53.319 called Grand Rapids. They're in Michigan, Grand Rapids Tackers. The 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:58.360 owner owned a carpet company, so obviously the attackers. George 0:08:58.440 --> 0:09:01.000 Gerbin was in that league in the average about forty 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:03.679 eight forty nine a game, perhaps a season before he 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.760 ended up going to Virginia. Guy out of Michigan by 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:09.920 the name of Dennis Stewart average about forty. Dennis. With 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:13.040 my team, I average about thirty eight or forty. In 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:15.920 our point guard average about twenty two, so three of 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:18.559 us average almost one hundred points per game. But that 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:21.599 was where I went to develop my jump shot. That 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.840 was my main goal was let's develop an outside game, 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:28.800 which I was able to do that year. And you 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:32.439 won a championship as well, and we won the championship too, 0:09:32.480 --> 0:09:34.240 so I think I got an extra hundred and five 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:39.120 bucks out of it. We'll have more with Steve Mix shortly, 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:44.920 but first, Nomore's Sports Medicine believes that highly personalized one 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:48.439 on one physical therapy for young athletes is paramounts to 0:09:48.600 --> 0:09:53.160 a speedy and complete recovery. Learn more at Nemour's dot 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:59.040 org slash PT. And now in the NBA, you've mentioned 0:09:59.160 --> 0:10:01.920 the longevity you had, You found your footing more than 0:10:02.000 --> 0:10:05.640 ten seasons, most of those coming with the seventy six ers. 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:08.480 What was the turning point for you in your career? 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:11.560 Was it that jump shot? I think so. I think 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:15.719 it was the ability excuse me to go out recognize 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:20.360 my strengths and my weaknesses, and take my weaknesses and 0:10:20.520 --> 0:10:23.199 develop those ever try to develop those even every single 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:25.920 day and take my strength and even work on those 0:10:26.000 --> 0:10:28.840 even more so. So once I realized what I could 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:30.679 do and can't do, that's when I went out and 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:33.439 worked on on the weaknesses because I knew that was 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:36.240 preventing me from getting back into the NBA. And once 0:10:36.320 --> 0:10:38.280 I got back in, then it was a matter of 0:10:38.400 --> 0:10:42.680 just knowing the opponent's offense and defenses. So I knew 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:45.240 what I could do and the opponent themselves, whether they'd 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.400 go for a shot fake or whether they'd close out 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:49.360 on my right hand if I was on the perimeter, 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:51.360 and what I could do from that point on. So 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:56.079 it's a matter of understanding the opponent's offense because I 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:58.800 was second in the league one year and steals, and 0:10:59.040 --> 0:11:02.160 then also under standing the opponent and what they like 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:04.079 to do on defensive end. Do they go for the 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:05.839 punk fakes where they stay on their feet, Can I 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:07.960 shoot turn around jump shot on him or a little 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:11.600 fade away. So comparing rors, John bringing you in here 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:15.120 because I know you want to talk about Steve's style 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:19.079 of play as well as some of his matchups during 0:11:19.160 --> 0:11:23.199 his career or the team's matchups during his career. But 0:11:23.640 --> 0:11:27.800 I want to I want to bring back to it 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:30.679 was so amazing as Steve, if you listen to how 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:33.439 he did, He's all the way around, when he was 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:36.400 with the G League, going to different teams and when 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:39.680 he was teaching those guys. It was perfect for someone 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.760 like him because, as you and I know, man, the 0:11:42.960 --> 0:11:45.959 G League is about grinding, and that's who he was. 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:49.440 He one possession at a time when your guy dawn 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:52.679 to get to be the successful person you have to 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:54.800 be so the team could be successful. And that's what 0:11:54.880 --> 0:11:59.600 the G League is about today. Those guys grinding, grinding, grinding, 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.360 so they had the perfect teacher that did it on 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:06.000 every level. And I'm glad because I kind of see 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.439 why some of those players that you did help get 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:11.120 to made it because they needed to hear those stories 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:13.160 and know the type of person you were and your 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.280 personality going into it. But I want to say this, 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:20.320 you gotta remember I'm of your error, Steve. You were 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:23.920 my hero pictures. That team was me and my brother, 0:12:24.040 --> 0:12:27.520 my brother. But Mike Richmond played at Utah, got drafted 0:12:27.559 --> 0:12:29.959 at eighty seven by the Dallas Mavericks. But when he 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:34.440 played at Utah under coach Don Haskins Tiny eight Archer 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.120 Bald was on that staff. Tim Floyd on that staff. 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:41.679 He also played in the CBA. My brother he played 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:47.680 the Charlie Rosen, Henry Bibby, Yes, and the Funniest State. 0:12:47.720 --> 0:12:51.080 When he went to school. You gotta remember coming up, 0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:53.839 it wasn't over thousand TV, so all we followed was 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:56.240 the sixers. And you were the same as my brother 0:12:56.360 --> 0:13:01.079 six seven six eight. You were left handed. Yeah, my 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:04.880 brother's left handed. If my brother ward number fifty when 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.559 he went to college, Oh, here you go, here you go. 0:13:08.559 --> 0:13:12.400 I love a guy like that, right, that's super. So 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.800 my oldest brother only had you as a you know 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:19.080 what I mean, as somebody compare him to run because 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:22.400 he wasn't a superstar player. He had to grind to 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:27.480 get to where he was. Yeah, my brother was. I 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:29.199 wish he could be here because he wanted to say 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:30.760 thank you, but I want to thank you for that 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:33.199 on behalf because he couldn't believe I was doing this 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:36.360 interview with you today. Now did he have the same 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:38.959 motto that I did, run fast, jump high and shoot 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:41.400 straight one out of three isn't man Because because he 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:46.880 could really jump high, I couldn't jump high. That's why 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:49.760 Doc called me Sky. I couldn't run fast, but I 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:51.880 could get to where I wanted to go. And boy, 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:53.400 I could shoot. I could shoot the heck out of 0:13:53.400 --> 0:13:55.920 the basketball. So and he had to develop his left 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:58.920 hand his jump shot just like you, and you were 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:02.480 the perfect example. So this is awesome. And I know, 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:04.440 as man, I don't want to take up too much. 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:06.480 But when you look at the G League and we 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:08.760 watch it Matt and I, and Matt watches a little 0:14:08.760 --> 0:14:10.920 bit more to me because he goes around. That's what 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:14.040 those guys have to do is a daily grind and 0:14:14.440 --> 0:14:18.040 game after game after game, series after series. Steve, when 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:19.840 you came in with that second unit, that's what you 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:24.040 brought to the table. Man, No load management in the league, 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:28.480 is there? The whole load management? Now, league, you gotta 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:31.000 show up every night, show the guys what you got 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:33.480 otherwise you're gonna be in that league for a long time. 0:14:34.040 --> 0:14:37.920 That's there, absolutely. And Joe, you bring up watching those 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.920 Sixers teams, and I know you were enamored with the 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:46.120 Sixers Trailblazers and and that whole matchup as well. You 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:50.280 gotta remember when when Steve played and when it was 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:53.600 the East coast, you still had the Hawk. Yeah, the 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.680 Rockets in the Spurs was in the East back then, Yeah, 0:14:57.200 --> 0:14:59.440 back is seventy nine in those days, and you know 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.160 it was it was the Washington Bullets, not the Wizards. 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:06.840 So he was going up against some great guys and 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.440 and and you know, and then it transferred you because 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.200 when the Bucks came in, the Sixes in the Bucks, 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:16.240 he ever, he's probably to me, was more brutal than 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:19.040 the Sixes in the Celtics. It was just tough matchup 0:15:19.080 --> 0:15:21.800 all the time. That was a good matchup, yes it was. 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:24.400 It couldn't beat us, but it was a good matchup. 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:28.360 But they may but they but they took us to 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.400 six and seven. They gave us. They did that. Yeah, 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:36.360 no question, And Steve a lot of Doctor Jay stories 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.000 from you, I'm sure, but I want to I want 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:42.000 to bring up the Big Three because you ended up 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:48.040 coach Doctor Jay squad in Ice Cubes the Big Three League, 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:52.360 if I have that correct. Yeah, you know, it's interesting 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:55.720 because when when when Ice Cube started that a couple 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.120 of years ago that you know, they got their coaches. 0:15:58.200 --> 0:16:01.240 Basically they're all Hall of famers, you know, and Clyde 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.600 Drexler was there that year. He's he's the commissioner now. 0:16:04.680 --> 0:16:09.080 But George Gervin, Gary Peyton, h rick Berry, guys like 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:12.960 that are the head coaches that first year. So Doc 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:14.680 called me and asked me if I wanted to be 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:19.040 his assistant coach, and, uh, you know, after taking a 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:21.040 look at it, obviously, I said, yeah, if you're there, 0:16:21.120 --> 0:16:23.960 I'm there. So it's been a lot of fun being 0:16:24.200 --> 0:16:26.440 being part of being part of that Big Three League, 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:29.000 of being his assistant coach. We've had a lot of 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.360 fun together just continuing to be great friends that we 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:36.360 are and in joining the heck out of each other's company. 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:40.520 And you even coached one of our former guys in Delaware, 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.040 Nate Robinson, who spent some time in the G League. 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:47.680 Nates a trip. Nate's a trip. There's no doubt about that. 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:53.920 You know, he's a he's a funny guy. Um, he's 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:57.680 just I'll say that he's spirited. That's probably a pretty 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:01.960 good word, Nade. He's spirited. And but he's very talented. 0:17:02.040 --> 0:17:06.720 And you know, I always felt just watching him play 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.280 coming off the bench for an NBA team a couple 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.399 of years ago, was I think he could have done that, 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:14.960 but it's hard to get get a big three guy 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:18.440 back into the NBA one once they're gone. But he's 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:21.639 a tremendous player. Then we got Maury stottam Meyer on 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:25.400 the team too. That all these guys are very nice guys. 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.520 They really are very very nice and kind, uh to 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:29.840 go out of your way to help you and do 0:17:29.920 --> 0:17:32.840 whatever you need to have done. So I want to 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:35.359 I want to get to our final few questions in 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:37.639 a moment, but I feel like it's it might be 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:40.280 necessary for me to leave a bit of a window 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:43.280 here for Joe to squeeze in any more sixers questions 0:17:43.400 --> 0:17:46.119 or points right now. So take the floor, Joe, if 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:48.080 you got anything else on the sixers side of the thing, 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:50.879 I got, I got two things. I got two things. Wheez, Steve. 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:56.120 First of all, how was it was there any hazing 0:17:56.840 --> 0:18:00.760 or any going after Lionel Hollans? No with that two 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:05.960 years later and then he comes over I always look 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:08.960 on TV. It wasn't like I wouldn't be ever messed 0:18:09.000 --> 0:18:11.240 with his locker or moved the sneaks, did you guys? 0:18:12.320 --> 0:18:16.240 You know why that that's something that we never really did. 0:18:16.680 --> 0:18:21.040 You know, if the players just wanted to play hoops, 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:22.560 you know, they wanted to get out on the court 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:27.520 and play um. You know. So it was the group 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:31.160 of guys it was. It was a group that when 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.480 we went to a different city, traveled to a different 0:18:34.520 --> 0:18:37.159 city because we would catch a flight about three I 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:39.840 don't know, depending on where we were, but you know, 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:42.200 we would get there and there'd be always six or 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:44.480 eight of us or so though that would always go 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:48.240 out to dinner. We were a fairly tight knit group 0:18:49.000 --> 0:18:52.119 that uh. And then wherever everybody went after that, it's different, 0:18:52.160 --> 0:18:55.040 but we would generally six or eight guys would always 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:57.080 go to dinner and shoot the breeze and have a 0:18:57.160 --> 0:18:59.680 lot of laughs that way. And my second one is, 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:02.520 you know, like you said that that group was so tight. 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:05.480 It was a different era, different time, a different way 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:08.520 of playing and relationships was built. And you've played with 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:12.199 against so many guys, and guys like Phil Jackson who 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:15.560 was with the Nuts, and Eddie jordans Man Brederkoff, Tom 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.480 Dono Bitch with the they became coaches in the league 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:21.280 and things of that nature. But I know at that time, 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:23.000 because we were so like I said, I was so 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:26.760 six er loyal would tell him to today. But when 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:29.399 Harvey Catchings left and he went to the Bucks, how 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:33.520 was it to play against Harvey and you know that 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:36.359 relationship and you were one of those main guys that 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:40.119 was the bruiser the fight. How was well, yeah, you 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:43.160 know when when Harvey left, it's always sad to see 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:48.560 the guys that you're friends with go somewhere. My second 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:50.760 year in the league, I roomed with a guy by 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:53.360 the name of Tom van Arsdale. My first year back 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:58.359 with the Philadelphia Thomas traded my second year and I 0:19:58.760 --> 0:20:03.159 really felt bad almost traded. At anytime. You're with a 0:20:03.280 --> 0:20:05.760 guy you know for a couple of years and you 0:20:05.960 --> 0:20:07.920 get to know him and you get to know the family, 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:10.119 and all of a sudden they're trading, and that's the 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:13.320 nature of the business. Um, you know, it's always a 0:20:13.440 --> 0:20:15.440 sad day, but you gotta go on. You know when 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:17.879 you play against them, the coach, you're sitting in the 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:20.480 locker room before the game and the coach asks you, 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:24.120 what can you tell me about Harvey? Well, Harvey's Harvey's 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:27.000 a defensive player, but he's a shot blocker. So give 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:28.439 him a pump fake see if you can get him 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:30.679 up in the air. You give him the fifteen eighteen 0:20:30.720 --> 0:20:32.800 foot jump shot. If he's out there, don't let him 0:20:32.880 --> 0:20:35.680 drive right, you know, stuff like that. So things you 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:38.359 have to know. But you're you're you know, once you 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:42.680 get on the hardwood, it's like, Okay, that's it. They're 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:46.560 no friends out there anymore. Oh man, that's that. That 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:49.560 is truly amazing. And I got one quick fun fact. 0:20:49.680 --> 0:20:52.160 I toured with the world famous Haul Them Blue Trotters 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:56.240 nine five seasons and in nineteen seventy five the six 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:59.280 is drafted one of the best in sweet Low Dunbar. 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:06.760 Did you ever get did you play with Natte Wood? 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:10.960 Nonette was before my time I came. I came in 0:21:11.040 --> 0:21:13.920 two thousand and seven to two thousand and twelve, so 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:19.800 sweet Lew was my coach. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was 0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:22.800 a sad day to see metal Lark go Curly Neils 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:29.280 in sad days for globis Yes, Sir Steve. My final 0:21:29.400 --> 0:21:31.879 question at the buzzer. I don't know if Joe has 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:35.239 anything else after that Globetrotters one, but what was your 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:39.800 favorite road city during your NBA playing career or as 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:45.280 a broadcast West West Coast Normally I would I liked 0:21:45.600 --> 0:21:49.240 San Francisco because we generally have a day off and 0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:53.119 I could get a car and up in Napa and 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:55.320 see some friends up in nap and have a good 0:21:55.359 --> 0:21:59.119 time up there. Um, you know, you get on the 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:02.560 East coast and January in February, you know, Boston, New York, 0:22:02.720 --> 0:22:05.800 not that not that exciting, Cleveland, Detroit, not that exciting, 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:08.760 you know. But San fran said, La, there's always a 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:12.040 lot of fun, And so with San Francisco had a 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:14.040