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Speaker 1: How is that culture? Yes? Goodness, well, let's ding dog

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Speaker 1: Let's go through the credit spit and we, as the

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Speaker 1: But this person just legitimized the whole affair. I would absolutely,

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Speaker 1: at Esquire. I never heard of it. Bitch, bitch Esquire.

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Speaker 1: I loved him and the seminal web series Disappointing Gay

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Speaker 1: best Friend because he taught us that there were other

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Speaker 1: was the perfect counterweight. I love it to our guest,

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Speaker 1: So please welcome Tyler Coats. Thank you, Hi Tyler here.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like there's a heavy expectation now that

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Speaker 1: we've called you our most cultured guests? Yeah? I do

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Speaker 1: don't know. I think the cards are stacked perfectly perfectly.

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Speaker 1: It's a full house. It's a full house. It's a

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Speaker 1: reminds me of the song Merry Go Round by Casey Musgraves. Absolutely, Um,

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Speaker 1: am all in. And you know, it takes like two

424
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 1: hours to get to the one song that I heard.

425
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: But by that time, I was like, this is all

426
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 1: I want. And it's based on poetry by T. S. Eliott,

427
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 1: Like adults. He wrote this, and then other adults were like,

428
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: this is good content. Let's make a musical about it

429
00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: with other adults for the enjoyment of adults. And then

430
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 1: my mother surprised me with tickets to the national tour

431
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,959
Speaker 1: in Richmond and we sat in the orchestra. I remember

432
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: when the lights went down and like we're on the aisle,

433
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 1: so like the cats come out and like they turn

434
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: on their eyes and get the ship out of me,

435
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:46,800
Speaker 1: and they were just roaming around and they go up

436
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 1: on stage and then I could only stare at their

437
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 1: crotches all like, because it's you know, the majesty of

438
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:58,040
Speaker 1: watching performance, like big performance. It's no Disney on Ice.

439
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,600
Speaker 1: It's like for real, it's for real. It's dancing with

440
00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:02,919
Speaker 1: their whole body, with their whole body, and the bodies

441
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: that I could not stop staring at. Yeah, yeah, I

442
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: mean that's enough. That's no. That's the thing about especially

443
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: at that age, it's like when you go to see

444
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: a rubbish show, you are looking at every crevice on

445
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: their body. You're like, okay, like being a now being

446
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: a performer, and like sometimes like performing for people that

447
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: are a little bit younger, it's like you get off

448
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 1: and then you're like, oh wow, me at that age

449
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: was like really probably looking at the performers like butts

450
00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: the whole time. They're good performer, but cat butts. I

451
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: think those are both kind of Okay. We have our

452
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: most cultured guests on the show who gave us not

453
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: one but two like perfect encapsulations of um. I think

454
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 1: the platonic ideal of the answer to our question because

455
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 1: I think because I think the whole Disney on Ice story, like, yeah,

456
00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: that was wonderful full Joseph Campbell arc I don't know, um,

457
00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 1: hero's journey of like, oh my god, like what a

458
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: beautiful like like the queer narrative of beautiful, like introduction

459
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 1: to this like piece of culture, and then you were

460
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: just roundly shamed for it, for having the emotional response

461
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:22,280
Speaker 1: to stupidly emotional thing. But but but and all that.

462
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: But it was, yeah, it was. It wasn't less real

463
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 1: for do you think the skating heightened the emotion? Um? Maybe,

464
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, well I think I I've always had

465
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: an infinity for like ridiculousness, so that definitely was like

466
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: the Beauty and the Beast was like the entry point

467
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 1: and then I was like, oh, here's another layer. That's

468
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,000
Speaker 1: I think I had a recognition where I was like,

469
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: this is really dumb. So good because you got to

470
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: like you got to sort of evaluate it at every

471
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,640
Speaker 1: level of like wow, this is amazing, this is also

472
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: really dumb. I love the oh and being a shamed

473
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 1: for it. I'm going to um put up some defenses

474
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: against what other people think about why I love for

475
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,520
Speaker 1: this and like I think this is why I hated

476
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:15,879
Speaker 1: the live action one. Yes, okay, I watched all of it.

477
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: I did not turn it off because I was like,

478
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 1: I'm going to see this ship through. It's a travesty

479
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 1: that's truly horrific um. But what made me so mad

480
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: about it is like, it's not live action. Let's stop

481
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: lying to ourselves. It's just c g I. It's still

482
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 1: animated one person who can't sing or screen presence. That

483
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: you also don't think she has any screen presence, not

484
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 1: in that fair, But like what I wanted, what I

485
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: wanted was disneyized. I wanted to see I want to

486
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 1: see Kevin Klein in a candle costume. Yeah, I want

487
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: to see Emma Thompson her face poking out of a

488
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 1: giant taka. I wanted those teacups to be too big

489
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: and human scale. I wanted I wanted to see those

490
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: because the other thing I loved as a kid was

491
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: the five Alison Wonderland TV mini series with Carol Channing

492
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: is in it, which is like weird. Have you ever

493
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: seen the clip of her singing Jam Tomorrow, Jam yesterday?

494
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: You like, go go on YouTube lunch and listen to

495
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: that because it's insane. It's just like this. It's a

496
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: bunch of like vaudevillians, like from the like forties, fifties.

497
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: Who then we're like, like Ringo is in it, Sammy

498
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 1: Davis Jr. Isn't as a caterpillar? Like it's real and

499
00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: they're in like full body costume. That's what you like that?

500
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: Like you see the seams, you see the zippers, like

501
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: that's that's my aesthetic right there, like high school play

502
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 1: on film? Right? Yeah? Do you think we'll get that

503
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: for Lion? Can you think Beyonce we'll get on all fours?

504
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: I mean I would love that. I'm around. I don't

505
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 1: think that will happen. I don't think so either. Um.

506
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: Can I just read to everyone, um a plot summary

507
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: of Cats? That's what I was wondering what you were

508
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: doing over there? Yeah, I've been asked to tell the

509
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: plot of Cats. Okay, so I would love to know.

510
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: I don't know what the story because there is a

511
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: story much too what most people think and they making

512
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: this up. I've seen the film film like the Great Performances, yes,

513
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 1: stage right right right, I've seen that and I couldn't

514
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: tell I mean this is like you know, over a

515
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: decade ago, could not tell you a single thing even

516
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: after watching it. I don't think people go for the story, Okay,

517
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: so how about how about this I'll read I'll read

518
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: this plot summary written by a friend of the show,

519
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 1: Branson Reese. Oh I think I know. Yeah, have you

520
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 1: seen that this is gonna be tongue in cheek? Well no, no, no, no,

521
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: no no no, I mean I read that. I was like,

522
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,160
Speaker 1: we should have Tyler tell us the story and then

523
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: see how correctly it lines. Okay, but I will be

524
00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 1: very serious about don't. So Once a year in London,

525
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: all the cats gather for the Jelical Ball, and there's

526
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: like you see, like there's like a couple of like

527
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: cat Burglars, Mungo, Jerry Rumple Teaser. You have like a

528
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: crazy like Auntie like Jenny, and he DUTs who's like

529
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: takes kittens under her wing, and like all these rum

530
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: tum tugger who's like horny and weird about of course.

531
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: And then you have Grizabella, who was like old bitch

532
00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: but like on her last life, but she is the

533
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: glamour cat and everyone hates her because she used to

534
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: think her ship didn't sink, but then she got old

535
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: and everyone's like, yeah, bitch, he's the same letter box

536
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,000
Speaker 1: as the rest of us. So they're all vying to

537
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: be the cat that goes to the Heavy Side Layer,

538
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: which is cat Heaven. You get there an attire and

539
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: you get reborn, and you get picked by Old Deenonomy

540
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: who's the oldest cat, and he's like the father figure,

541
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: and only one of them can go, only one of

542
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: them can go yet. But the whole, the whole thing

543
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 1: is that they all like are sort of performing. It's

544
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 1: sort of a reality composition when you think about it,

545
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: because they're all performing to be chosen to be the

546
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,479
Speaker 1: all star cat. I also recently realized it's a lot

547
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: like a chorus line, except for getting into the show.

548
00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: They're just trying to get into Heaven to um. And

549
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: then so based Oh, there's also like the bad guy

550
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: in the cavity who's like responsible for he like kidnaps somebody.

551
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 1: And then Mr mustaff Lee's a magic cat. He comes

552
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 1: and saves the day. And then Grizabella comes out and

553
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: she sings Memory and everyone is like, oh, wow, you're

554
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: actually sad, you have feelings, you've an inner life, you

555
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: deserve to go. And so she goes to the Heavy

556
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: Side Layer and everyone's like, that's amazing, and that's the

557
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: and that's that's how it ends. So the moral of

558
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:51,480
Speaker 1: the story is respect your elders. Yeah, yeah, I know

559
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: your history or your history or your history. You're feeling history.

560
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: Everyone has inner pain. Yeah, I love it. Okay, So

561
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'll read the brands because it's it's

562
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: very tongue and chicken, very reductive, and I just want

563
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: and I want, I want the counterweight to this to

564
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: be Tyler's wonderfully textured synopsis. Okay, let's hear how it

565
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: measures up. Here's the plot of cats, as best as

566
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: I Branson can explain it. I'm just couldn't quote him.

567
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: So you got a bunch of cats running around up there?

568
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: Seems simple enough, right, We're in, We're out. Think again, pal,

569
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: because this isn't just another night in the alley. An

570
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: enormous cat has chosen tonight to vaguely announce that he

571
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: can send a cat to heaven. He never really goes

572
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: into detail, but the rule seems to be one cat

573
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: gets to go to heaven regardless of whether or not

574
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 1: they're sick, and nobody starts crying. They just take the

575
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: ship and stride that ship and stride so then, instead

576
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: of pleading their case for why they deserve to go

577
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: to heaven when they die, which is tonight, even if

578
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: they're healthy. They spend an hour introducing themselves to the audience. Um,

579
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: and I have questions already. Okay, great, that's act one. Um,

580
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 1: why do we believe the big cat when he says

581
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: he can do this? Because he's a deter u. It's

582
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: it's also tradition. It's tradition. It's just cat tradition. Okay.

583
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: So they come to the Jackal Ball because they know

584
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 1: this event is happening, this sort of like reaping. Yeah,

585
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 1: it's world building, right, Okay, now now I'm on board. Okay, great,

586
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: back to You're like strapping, this will probably be all

587
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: about heaven and years later you'll remember thinking that and

588
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,200
Speaker 1: it will break your day heart because nope, three d

589
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: four more cats just introduced themselves. And then this heaven cat,

590
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: who by the way, has done zero magic and has

591
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: proven nothing, shows thank you, thank you, and you're watching

592
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: and you're like, here we go, better late than never.

593
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: But he sort of just smoothies around and then all

594
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: of a sudden, his skin falls off and the devil

595
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: jumps out, and so now you're watching and he throws

596
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 1: a firework at somebody and you're like, it was all

597
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: worth it. Here we go, here we motherfucking go. But

598
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: then two cats dance aggressively near him, and so he

599
00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 1: apologizes and politely leaves. So then two more cats introduced themselves,

600
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: and then some old woman we've never met. Okay, she

601
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: is introduced several times, so then that's not true. So

602
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: when we can refute that, shows up and sings the

603
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: only song from Cats that you know, and then she

604
00:33:03,160 --> 00:33:05,360
Speaker 1: goes to heaven. This could have been just the first

605
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: two tweets. Okay, I there's something about who wrote who

606
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: wrote the book for hats? You know, there's no Well,

607
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: so t s Eliott a collection of poems he's actually

608
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: nominated posthumously for. That's a little that's a little bit. Okay,

609
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: it's mostly just Angelid Webber's andy work. Sure, yeah, and

610
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: probably cocaine. Cocaine. So that's the challenge here, is that

611
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: this the musical was limited in its storytelling ability efficiency.

612
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 1: What have you buy the source material? Okay, so that

613
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't totally buy Branson synopsis of that

614
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: because I don't totally buy Branson. Okay, um, hey, listen, Branson,

615
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 1: I don't totally buy it. Matt doesn't buy it. I

616
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: don't know so I because wow, this is really like

617
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: again a counterweight to my my lifelong perception of cats,

618
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: which has been like crazy, stupid, crazy crazy, not even stupid,

619
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 1: just like crazy crazy. It is stupid. It's true. Where

620
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,960
Speaker 1: does come from? Yeah, that's just a term that ts

621
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 1: Elien made up. Because they all have three different names.

622
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: They have their human name. That's like if you have

623
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: a cat, you call it like roy, right, but then yeah,

624
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: but there is a buster buster for Jones. Excuse me.

625
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: He's like a fancy like they did too much. He's

626
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: like a tuxedo cat, you know. Um, So he's fancy.

627
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: He's like a cat about town. Um. And then so

628
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: they all have their like names that like their human

629
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: calls them. But then they have their like cat Yeah, Grizabella,

630
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:43,360
Speaker 1: Rumpled Teaser, Bumbell Yourena, rum tum Tugger, and tum Tugger

631
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: Um the cavity. He's actually the horny one. Rum Tum

632
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Speaker 1: Tugger is actually horny. Yeah, because he like picks women

633
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: out of the audience, so like basically like get he's

634
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Speaker 1: like the he's the sex appeal of the show. Journalized

635
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: like you are are supposed to be turned out by him,

636
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: but he's also just like fussy, Okay, a fussy, a

637
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 1: fussy little cat. That's what I don't know. He's the guy,

638
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: he's the cat that you want to fuck. So I'll

639
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 1: get it to you. I get it. It's just like

640
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: real life. Just like real life that other And are

641
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: you a fan of his? Yeah. The day after the election, um, obviously,

642
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: we were so depressed. I went to work and I

643
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: was like, I've got to do something about this. And

644
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: so I spent probably a hundred eighty dollars on tickets

645
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: to see Phantom. He's like, that is going to be

646
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: for that night or for that night, and I told

647
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: my boyfriend John, I was like, York's at home from

648
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: home in Park Slope, and I was like, meet me

649
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: in Times Square. We're gonna go to dinner and we're

650
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: going to deal with this in our way. And I

651
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: wanted to see Fantom and it was fantastic. I do

652
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: love fans. I've seen. That's the second time I saw

653
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: the first time I saw it, I had very high

654
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: expectations that were not met. You can't go in with

655
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: with high expectations because will you will be bored after four? Yeah,

656
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 1: I but I appreciate the Santum as a whole, holistic

657
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: musical piece. I appreciate more than most of Andrew Later

658
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: Webber's other work. Jesus Christ Superstar is great. I've never

659
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: I've never said it's got some real jams the television performance,

660
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,759
Speaker 1: and it will be the first time I see that.

661
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: It's good. It's good. It's like, I mean, that movie

662
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: is actually one of the better I think, yeah, because

663
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 1: it's just like it's a rock opright, it's just all singing,

664
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Speaker 1: it's all fun. Everyone's sexy in it. Do you know

665
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Speaker 1: what we saw which was like not good? No, I

666
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:40,399
Speaker 1: saw it last year. I loved it. The second time

667
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Speaker 1: I saw I see, I saw it was a kid

668
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: in the nineties. I saw it was a kid with

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Speaker 1: Petula Clark Petula, and then then I forgot Yeah for

670
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: my birthday. Actually that was a year ago. That's so

671
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: funny because my boyfriend is like, oh yeah, we was

672
00:36:56,080 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 1: talking about Piscy's boyfriendsnsets. So the story that we like

673
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: to tell was we were in the fucking nose blades

674
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: like third mezzanine um and literally the last row. It

675
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: was bad. We were really far away, but when they

676
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: were so cheap there and and so you're familiar that,

677
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: like the stage was tier and deconstructive, was deconstructed very

678
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: much so um, but Glen's entrance is from the is

679
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: from the top tier. So her first entrance we just

680
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 1: hear this like roar of applause and obviously our glenn

681
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 1: closest feet and everyone just losing the that's her feet.

682
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: And she was wild that that for that entire show.

683
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Speaker 1: She's I mean, she's not, I mean, she's she was

684
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,320
Speaker 1: acting with every part. I mean the time. I appreciated

685
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Speaker 1: Glen close because she has she has a lot to

686
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: prove because she's always like second fiddle to Marrow. So

687
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: she's like at this point, she's like, fuck it, I'm

688
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: going to give you, Glen, you what I have and

689
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: if you don't like to deal with it, go find

690
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: Meryl Stree. Wow. I mean I would kill to see

691
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: some sort of dramatization of that of just Glenn and

692
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: Meryl crossing paths made two movies together totally, but like

693
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: there's some like feud slash wicked situation there. It's like

694
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: I want to I want someone to dramatizing. I actually

695
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: think the existing the existence of Meryl has forced all

696
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: of her contemporaries to do more interesting things, more interesting things,

697
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 1: And I would say that she does absolutely I would.

698
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: I think she phones it in a lot. There you go.

699
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 1: She certainly has a mode where she is really acting

700
00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: and giving you top to your talent for all time,

701
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,240
Speaker 1: and then a mode where she is doing Meryl streep,

702
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: which is always fun but very easy for her. Yeah.

703
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: I think that the thing that I've noticed with her

704
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: is that she never works with like really great directors,

705
00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 1: wow stretch her. She found the people that she likes.

706
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: I mean, like, for example, August So Stage County, Like

707
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: what that a great source material, like a great three

708
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: hour fucking step masterpiece family drama directed by some nobody

709
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: that collects all these people and she can like just

710
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: hammer away through it and get an Oscar nomination. Right.

711
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: It's a Tracy Let's play. Every other Tracy lets play

712
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: that's been made into a movie was directed by William Friedkin,

713
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: who is like a psychopath. He did The Exorcist like

714
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,719
Speaker 1: basically broke Ellen Burson's back, but like he did Bug,

715
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 1: which is fucked up. He did Killer Joe which is

716
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:42,800
Speaker 1: sucked up. He should have done. She would have never

717
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: worked with him. This is why Tyler is here. I

718
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 1: live for this ship and I like her. I mean,

719
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: Sophie's choice, I think is like one of the all

720
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:56,240
Speaker 1: time best on screen performances ever ever captured. She learned

721
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: how to speak three languages with a polish her best.

722
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: Can't deny her at her best, And I like what

723
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying is I think it's great that she eats

724
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: up as much as she does, because I do think

725
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 1: it forces specifically Sigourney Weaver and Glenn Close to have

726
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 1: interesting careers and therefore betrailblazers for other people. For example,

727
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: Glenn Close's first huge film was Fatal Attraction, and that

728
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,320
Speaker 1: was made of a household name, and that kind of

729
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: I think literally created a subject because before that she

730
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: was playing very similar roles exactly like been on Broadway

731
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Speaker 1: one and Tony. I think it'd been nominally for Asking

732
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: before Fatal Attraction, but like that's the one that like

733
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Speaker 1: her the and Sigourney Weaver was always weird, like they

734
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Speaker 1: were a yale together, Like yeah, she was always not

735
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Speaker 1: getting the parts. She was always playing like this the

736
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Speaker 1: weird sister or even the mom to like Meryl's on Janus,

737
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: which if you think about it, is kind of weird.

738
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: But you know, Sigourney doing alien creates the female driven

739
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: action which action hero sci fi at he it is

740
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 1: even more specific, which is so funny. And then because

741
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: she gets notoriety, she's able to do cool stuff like

742
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: working girl, you know what I mean, and you know,

743
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,439
Speaker 1: the ice storm later like later on in her career

744
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: because she's well known. Guerrillas in the miss don't laugh.

745
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 1: It's number number eighty, don't tell me Sigourney can't serve

746
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: you biopic, I was gonna say. And number twenty right

747
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: after that is okay, well, first of all, let's repeat that,

748
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: don't tell you, tell me Sigourney can't serve you biopic,

749
00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: And number twenty right after that is don't don't Gorilla

750
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 1: in the Mist I slept on. I've never seen that.

751
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 1: I forget you gotta see girls in the So I

752
00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: watched Gorillas in the Midst and ap environmental science. Okay,

753
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,800
Speaker 1: that's why I didn't see it because one okay, no,

754
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: it's it's good and I'm not ruining it because this

755
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: really happened to Diane Fossey. But at the end of

756
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: the movie, like, I didn't know what happened to Diane Fossey.

757
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: It's very tragic. Weight, it's not No, no lives to

758
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: this day. In Gorillas in the Midst spoiler dies right.

759
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: She gets murdered by Buchers who stabbed her to death

760
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 1: while she's sleeping. Gorilla did it? Yea, But now that

761
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: would have been a good twist. No. No. I have

762
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: a good friend who is a Coco Coco true truth.

763
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: She thinks that Coco killed her. Oh cat a ball, Wow,

764
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: Coco truther. So she has been like on that for

765
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: many decades. I'm a Coco Truther now, and that I

766
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: think the animated film is actually live action. I'm a

767
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: Coco Truther. Wow, that's amazing. I'm a Coco Truth. And

768
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: that I think it took place um in Touloom, which

769
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 1: is not a real Mexican location because it's been so

770
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: industrialized by tourism. I'm a Coco Truther. And that I

771
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: think that hot chocolate tastes like vanilla. That's beautiful. I

772
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: think it is beautiful. That's AFULU wait, just to get

773
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: back on this um. You know, these advanced these advanced

774
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: actresses will call them advanced executive level actress actress. We

775
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: don't because because like like advanced style is like is

776
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,239
Speaker 1: what you would call like old person. Okay, where's a

777
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: hat that's nice advanced actresses title about advanced actor because

778
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: we have an authority. Okay, I'm very down for it. Um,

779
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: I feel like, oh, this is this is such a

780
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: throwaway thing. But Iron Lenny Oscar garage garbage Oscar one

781
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: for maybe any of the other five she's been most recently,

782
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: even if you had given it to it for August

783
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: Stage County Doubts probably first and foremost. Yes, um, what else?

784
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: I mean into the Woods. I'd rather give her that

785
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: than fucking iron Lady. I think that's literally garbage Julian

786
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: and Julia, you know what I mean, like so many

787
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: other better performances, even the Cary Julia and Julia Julia. Yeah,

788
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: it should just be Julia. She wasn't Julia to the

789
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: movie Julia Jane find that first. I think it was

790
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: her first, uh first movie. It was her first movie.

791
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: Julia might be, I trust you. She's like one scene

792
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: right in Julia and Julia, and then in Manhattan she

793
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: like gets accosted by Widdy Allen, Oh my god, like

794
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: many others, like many others, like Shelley Duval too. But

795
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: she was in Anie Hall. Was in Annie Hall. Yeah, yeah,

796
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: very briefly, she like she like goes on a date

797
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 1: with interesting. Um. So wait, speaking so much about Marylyn

798
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: the Oscars, we should probably discuss last evening, well now

799
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: several evenings ago, for if you're listening to it on

800
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: the day of release. But what did we think of

801
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: the Oscars, folks? I mean, I thought they're very boring,

802
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: very very pretty. I mean, with the exception of Shape

803
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: of Water, I think everyone knew what was going to

804
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: win stuff, But wasn't there like, oh, you didn't think

805
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: Shape of Water was gonna win. I I thought it

806
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: was gonna be. Well. I this was the first year

807
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: that I thought like the Best Picture was kind of

808
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 1: a toss up. I didn't think that I was gonna win,

809
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: although it should have. I thought I thought the front

810
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: runner was going to be three billboards. And then I

811
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: thought maybe dun Kerk would be like a weird dark horse. Yeah,

812
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: like something Dunkerk would have like cut through um with

813
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,640
Speaker 1: the votes being split between all these other things. And

814
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: then there was a moment last night when dun Kirk

815
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 1: on Best Editing, where like that's a several awards earlier

816
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: in the evening. If you really think about it, like

817
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: it was never gonna lose those awards, but you know

818
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 1: that made it seem like, are we aheaded for this?

819
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: I never thought that was going to happen. I also

820
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 1: think that it's very tough for a movie sometimes to

821
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: steamroll the precursors as Best Picture and still went best

822
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:56,719
Speaker 1: which like, I never thought Three Billboards was great be

823
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: the film of the year. I kind of get Shape

824
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:00,880
Speaker 1: of Water and all. So if you think about it,

825
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: in the Grand Scheme Um, George Severs had a tweet

826
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 1: which I really liked, which was he quote tweeted someone

827
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 1: that said, overall, it was a really safe Best Picture choice,

828
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: and he was like, oh yeah, I hate when female

829
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: lead horror sci fi um like thrillers with a like

830
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: unlikely romance directed by a Mexican immigrant hate Best Picture

831
00:46:22,760 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: win Best Picture. It's so safe, Like it's really kind

832
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,880
Speaker 1: of cool, especially for a Giamo del Toro film to

833
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: win Best Picture. They're so specific. He's such in like

834
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 1: an acteur, Like it's so kind of actually not safe

835
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 1: that he won this would ordinarily never really happen. I

836
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: just think because we've been talking about it so much

837
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,560
Speaker 1: and we all wanted a super alternative choice, which is

838
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: I think, like actually something with the world right now.

839
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: It's like we're all ready to move way past what

840
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 1: everything Like sure, I mean the oscars bring out the

841
00:46:56,440 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: worst than people every when the next day is an asshole.

842
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: And like because I think I don't know, I like

843
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: last year was the first year in like maybe since

844
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 1: like n where I felt like just a glut of

845
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 1: just amazing movies that like spoke to the time, even

846
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: though they with the exception of the Posts, were not

847
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: like engineered to Yeah, like last year, I'm sorry, We're

848
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:27,839
Speaker 1: like and like there were three movies about there are

849
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 1: three movies about poisonous mushrooms being like a narrative device.

850
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: Like that's weird because it was The Guilds and Phantom

851
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:43,479
Speaker 1: Thread and then Lady Macbeth poisons poisonous mushrooms. Oh my god. Yeah,

852
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: so like that in itself was like really really freaking weird.

853
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: Um And just like the way that I felt like

854
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: class was shown in many different films, like some better

855
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: than others, and then get out. I think like was

856
00:47:57,120 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 1: just a phenomenon and like what it showed and like

857
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,720
Speaker 1: what to pick it, and like how well it was received.

858
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: And I think it's everyone is so emotional that everyone

859
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 1: was especially emotional about the movies that came out. Like

860
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: that's how I felt like. I just like stopped being

861
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,799
Speaker 1: so objective about everything and just was like I love

862
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: things more often. I like things more often because I

863
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: was just like disappear, like I feel something about totally.

864
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: And I think people can do themselves a favor and

865
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 1: do everyone else a favor and just go back to

866
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 1: trying to enjoy movies again. Because I think this actually

867
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: started last year when literally the narrative became La La

868
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: Land is Trump, Right, I was like, La La Land

869
00:48:35,480 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: is not Trump, and La La Land doesn't exist to

870
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: beat Moonlight. Okay, La La Land was created lovingly and

871
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: very well by a lot of people who wanted to

872
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: make this movie musical. And if you have problems with

873
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: the cast, thing, like, go ahead and have that issue,

874
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: but this movie is not Donald Trump. Well now we're yeah,

875
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 1: we're putting a lot of external narratives on staff tot

876
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:02,360
Speaker 1: and like trying to create this like weird, bifurcated world

877
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: that doesn't exist, like it just doesn't exist. Yeah, I yeah, wow,

878
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: I mean your whole assessment of like all these movies

879
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: this year, um speak like dealing with class in different ways,

880
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: some better than others, Like totally just occurred to me now,

881
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: which like feels very shallow of me. But like yeah, Ladybird,

882
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 1: get Out, Project, Project, all of those, Yeah that's you

883
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: know what. Yeah, like this was a year where you

884
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: really could allow yourself to let any of these films

885
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: speak to you. And like people did really graft on

886
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: these things, like especially especially to Three Billboards, being like

887
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,759
Speaker 1: it it's racist whatever, Um, I have the mind did

888
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 1: you did you tweet this? I feel like I might

889
00:49:45,480 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: have read this from you, like, um, yeah, I think

890
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:49,920
Speaker 1: you tweeted this thing about like Three Billboards feels very

891
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,719
Speaker 1: Flannery O'Connor. Yeah yeah, I mean that's because I read

892
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:57,359
Speaker 1: a ship ton of finer student. Um. I feel like, yeah,

893
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 1: Three Billboards. I saw it a screening and I loved it,

894
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: Like I think, what it's pros It's it's just a

895
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:09,399
Speaker 1: huge acting movie, like it's stacked. Yeah, it's a play

896
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 1: that couldn't be performed on stage because there's like bombs happening. Yeah,

897
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 1: and there's that deer um and three billboards are really

898
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: hard to pull off on stage too big. They have

899
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: to see it off stage. Yeah, do that thing where

900
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 1: they point into the audience. Um, so yeah, I think that.

901
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: Like once I thought about, like after I was just like,

902
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: oh my god, like this performances were so amazing and

903
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,960
Speaker 1: like so effective. Then I was like, oh, there's some

904
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 1: weird stuff with how it was written and like how

905
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: it unfolded, and like I think like they use race

906
00:50:43,120 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: as a prop, which is like its biggest problem. Um

907
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 1: and just like the sort of sloppy writing. But like

908
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 1: I think you can get away within a play because

909
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: you don't. I don't know. There's just like so much

910
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 1: more sensory that you have to take in all at

911
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: one total p um. So when I saw it again

912
00:50:58,239 --> 00:50:59,919
Speaker 1: the second time, I was like, well, France and mcdorm

913
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 1: it's great, Sam Rockwell's great, but it does feel like

914
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,799
Speaker 1: a bad funer o connor like as someone who tried

915
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: to just rip off O'Connor and oh my god, don't

916
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:12,120
Speaker 1: we creative writing glasses? That's probably what I would have

917
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: tried to do. Every writer, every creative person has a

918
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 1: suit of Southern Gothic phase. I'm just kidding. Um, that

919
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 1: was a part of my influences. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,

920
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: Southern goths. Yeah. I was always writing about Southern goths. Yeah,

921
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:31,919
Speaker 1: you know Tampa area girls named Beth who would really

922
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 1: just who listened to simple Plan? Yeah, which is not

923
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:39,680
Speaker 1: even a girl there. And it's about what you feel

924
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: about yourself. Yeah, I don't want to know exactly the

925
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 1: coach n It's about how you feel about myself. Tyler

926
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: had this great moment um And I just want to

927
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 1: congratulate you on this because this feels very aspirational to me.

928
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:54,359
Speaker 1: You saw all the best picton nominees before they were

929
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: now yeah, the first time and the first time yeah,

930
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: first time in a long time where you just had

931
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: seen them all. Yeah. And I I commend you. And

932
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 1: did you have a strong favorite? Um you thought get

933
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: Out should have won? I yeah, I think. I mean

934
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: it's I have like my objective favorites, and I have

935
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,479
Speaker 1: like my like I would say that, like my top

936
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: five movies were Ladybird, get Out, Call Me by Your Name,

937
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 1: Shape of Water, which really surprised me, and then the

938
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: ones that didn't get nominated were like Titania, which I

939
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:27,000
Speaker 1: saw twice. Um Quiet Passion, which is a synthonix in

940
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: movie about it's a real hoot. It's I watched it

941
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: twice in the weekend because I was like having a

942
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,760
Speaker 1: weird weekend. But like it's a it's a real long

943
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: it's it's an interesting film. It's like it's it's I've

944
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: never seen a movie that like shows a creative struggle

945
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: so intimately and like shows the interiority of a human

946
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: being in like such a beautiful way. But it's also

947
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 1: kind of boring. I will I'll cop to that. Is

948
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: it like you can't just like turn it on, smoke

949
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: a joy and be like yeah, because it like The

950
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: Hours if it was just Virginia wool and then a

951
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: century before. Yes, actually, okay, I hate the well I

952
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: did the Hours for that movie. I think that because

953
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: I I love The Hours. When it came out, I

954
00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: was I thinking, I think a sophomore year, I drove

955
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: to Charlotte's All from where I went to school in

956
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: Harrisonburg because to see it because it was Harrisson remembering

957
00:53:31,719 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: like this is really brilliant in poetic because I mean,

958
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: at the time it was kind of one of the

959
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 1: like it felt very styeah, and then I watched it

960
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,560
Speaker 1: again as an adult, was like, this is like it's

961
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 1: a fourteen minute credit sequence, yeah, where you're just watching

962
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:50,240
Speaker 1: these women just like run around. And it's also weird

963
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 1: because it's like the it takes place just before nine

964
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: eleven New York, so like it's like the last pre

965
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: nine eleven New York movie that came the following how interesting,

966
00:54:03,120 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: Like that was weird and so like by that point,

967
00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 1: like even like in hindsight now like talking about the

968
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: AIDS crisis in that way, and like two thousand one

969
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 1: was a little like weird to talk about with that

970
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: like weight in that like sort of melodrama to I

971
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: was so watching it now, you feel like it feels

972
00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 1: a little anachronistic the way. Okay, yeah, that's actually a

973
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: really good modern mertal performance too. I think she's yeah,

974
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 1: she's great, and she didn't even jan was great, and

975
00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:35,759
Speaker 1: obviously Nicole Julianne Moore was great in that way that

976
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: she was great at the time, like she kind of

977
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:40,799
Speaker 1: was given the same performance again and again and again. Right.

978
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: I said that the darkest hour Gary Olman winning for

979
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: that was his Still Alice because he refused to see

980
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: that won't go. That was just engineered to get her

981
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: an Oscar, and like no one needs to see, right, right,

982
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: Alec Baldwin's as her daughter, like Alec Baldwin's in I,

983
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:02,359
Speaker 1: I feel like we need that, and it's just been

984
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:05,320
Speaker 1: tried over and over again, just an engineered movie for

985
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: a career Oscar for fucking um. Like yeah, like they tried.

986
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,479
Speaker 1: I don't think she's ever gonna win. That's so sad.

987
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,279
Speaker 1: It's sad Ryan has an Oscar and it doesn't like

988
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: an honorary. I think, yeah, like Gena Rolins at that point.

989
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I wonder if it feels like it counts

990
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:29,360
Speaker 1: for them. I mean, I feel like they really do

991
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 1: keep trying with her, right they do. I think something.

992
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 1: I think we'll get up. I think I think she'll

993
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 1: hack it, and then I think, you know, he'll take

994
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: her place, you know who I think is probably never winning.

995
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,320
Speaker 1: I knew you were going to say her yeah, and

996
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: then you did too. Oh my god. I think I

997
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,359
Speaker 1: think I think she'll pass away with like fifteen nominations.

998
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:49,320
Speaker 1: I really do. I think she I think she'll be

999
00:55:49,320 --> 00:55:52,479
Speaker 1: getting them into her seventies and won't win yeah, that's

1000
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: that makes me sad, just sing. I mean, I would

1001
00:55:56,239 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: like I think she'll win. Well, I mean, okay, just

1002
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:02,080
Speaker 1: a quick thing that I want to circle back on

1003
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: um with gillermaut to not know this fun fact um.

1004
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 1: For the past five years of Best direct Or wins,

1005
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 1: four out of the five had been Mexican. Yeah, yeah,

1006
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: which I think is really cool. Oh fantastic. And then

1007
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: you you read too twice and then the gravity guy. Yeah, wow,

1008
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: that's amazing, know that the fit I just four out

1009
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: of five and so you read to one twice. I

1010
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: always forget he was one twice. Yeah, for for Revenant

1011
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 1: and for um brit Man. Yeah, oh my god. I

1012
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,120
Speaker 1: did not see the reven and I was not and

1013
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: I wasn't going right right, It's like right get out

1014
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: winning Best Screenplay. That might have been enough. I guess

1015
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: I would have loved it. If it were. We all

1016
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,400
Speaker 1: would have loved it. We all would have loved it.

1017
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,279
Speaker 1: But it being having that many nominations on top of

1018
00:56:54,360 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 1: being such a phenomenon and the fact that it won

1019
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: Best Original Screenplay, it has that forever. And I think

1020
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: that that is just a really good example of the

1021
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: Academy Awards getting it right, because that was in every

1022
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: sense of the word, the best original screen pric you've

1023
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: never seen. Like that's the meaningful award, I think. I

1024
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,479
Speaker 1: think so it's an award that rewards intelligence. Yeah, yeah,

1025
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: I mean from every standpoint, it's just like that should

1026
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: go down in history. And I also think that's it's

1027
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe it's because that's what I went

1028
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: to college for, but like I have such a respect

1029
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: for someone that can put something so amazing into that

1030
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: art form, like it really is so hard to do,

1031
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: and then there's so many moving pieces, and also the

1032
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 1: fact that he directs it, produces it, and writes it

1033
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: and was still so clearly able to see his vision through,

1034
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: like sometimes you can drive yourself crazy on a project

1035
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 1: like that artistically, and the fact that he was so

1036
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: focused and so disciplined, um in every respect that that

1037
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,560
Speaker 1: script worked as well as it did, Like, it's just

1038
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:06,240
Speaker 1: amazing because guess what, like Greta Gerwig, Um, I thought

1039
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: that was an amazing script and that would have been

1040
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: my second choice. But she will write more movies like that,

1041
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: and perhaps perhaps her work is her greatest work is

1042
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:17,800
Speaker 1: still ahead of her. In fact, I bet it is

1043
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 1: I think that Jordan Peel like not to say that

1044
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: we won't see more amazing work from him, but I

1045
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 1: do believe that get Out will be a strong part

1046
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,120
Speaker 1: of his legacy. And I think that it's right that

1047
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: he won an Oscar for it, because my thing with

1048
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 1: oscars and I always say this is could have been

1049
00:58:33,400 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 1: done by anyone else as well, And I don't know

1050
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: that get Out is accomplished as well by anyone else

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00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: at any other point in their career than Jordan Peele.

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00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: Right now, for this moment um, I will say that,

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00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 1: um because I'm because I'm sure the screen plays out

1054
00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: there somewhere. I just have to read it. No, no, no,

1055
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:58,000
Speaker 1: you can read it. You know, posted it Nathaniel in

1056
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: the film Experience Dale Roger for the film Experience. Donet

1057
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: will give him another plug here and by the way,

1058
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 1: the Film Bitch Awards are underway, but he sometimes does

1059
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: like anatomy of a scene like some something like that,

1060
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 1: and he breaks down a scene he specifically talked about

1061
00:59:14,280 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: the scene and get Out, which is them getting pulled

1062
00:59:16,240 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: over and her conversation with the police officer she wants

1063
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: to avoid being you know, and how it works has

1064
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 1: to work several different ways in order to work as

1065
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:29,960
Speaker 1: a scene, because on rewatch value, you have to you

1066
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: understand that she's panicking because this is all going to

1067
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 1: happen and or so it's a performance and it's a

1068
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 1: performance on top of a performance, etcetera. But he links

1069
00:59:39,840 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 1: to the full script because you know, I have to

1070
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: read the fruit loop scene the way it's written. Yeah. Yeah,

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00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: that's another thing is it's like, I think that's one

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00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:52,520
Speaker 1: of the most iconic I mean I'm using that term,

1073
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 1: like using that term really nearly. Um, but yeah, just

1074
00:59:57,120 --> 01:00:00,320
Speaker 1: what an amazing scene. Yeah, I wonder if Greti Wig.

1075
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 1: I don't think she feels super sad. No, I mean

1076
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 1: she I mean, did you see the clip of her

1077
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: like being like I love him towards out Like she

1078
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 1: she seems like I think she's excited to be a

1079
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:16,160
Speaker 1: part of that conversation at all. Yeah. I mean that

1080
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:19,840
Speaker 1: was also cool when Emmistone was like these four men

1081
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: and greta Girlwig did such an amazing and then everyone

1082
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:24,920
Speaker 1: was applotting. I mean I think that it was a

1083
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: night celebrating gretor Gerwig in many ways. Yeah, I mean

1084
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: it's just it's historic. Fifth fifth woman. Yeah, yeah, so big,

1085
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: big dealing. There will be more in the Sacramento Cinematic universe. Yeah,

1086
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: I see, I can't wait. Um okay. So I wanted

1087
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: to bring up the other big item of the day,

1088
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:52,000
Speaker 1: which was RuPaul was asked if he would allow a

1089
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 1: um transitioning person, like a male to female individual who

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01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 1: was in the process of transitioning, to compete on the

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01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 1: show as a contestant of RuPaul's drag race, and he

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01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 1: kind of said no, because you know that then it's

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01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:15,600
Speaker 1: not actually drag like no, right, And so then he

1094
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: got a lot of flak about that, and so he

1095
01:01:18,600 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 1: doubled down in a tweet that said, you know, you

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01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 1: can use performance enhancing drugs and still be an athlete,

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01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:28,040
Speaker 1: you just can't compete in the Olympics. He the show

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01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:32,040
Speaker 1: inherently is one that evolves a lot, but and and

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01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: RuPaul himself has a lot of like inconsistencies about what

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01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 1: the show means, like the joke about like it's not

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01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 1: RuPaul's best friends, like you don't and no one goes

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01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 1: home with a participation's trophy, but like literally everyone does

1103
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: everyone and so stuff like that, like you know it

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01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:57,560
Speaker 1: shouldn't and like I don't know. It's so it's interesting

1105
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 1: because it does bring I don't know, like the I

1106
01:02:01,120 --> 01:02:05,040
Speaker 1: think because I was like very late convert to drag Race.

1107
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 1: I started watching last season. Yeah, I wrote like I

1108
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: wrote about how I watched all of it because I

1109
01:02:12,440 --> 01:02:15,320
Speaker 1: watched like one episode I was like, this is actually great, um,

1110
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: and like appreciated it in a way that like because

1111
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:22,160
Speaker 1: I was so turned off by Dragon drag performance because

1112
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,880
Speaker 1: it made me unc yeah, from like when I was

1113
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: like coming out and was like worried about it. Um.

1114
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 1: But what I got out of it, and I think

1115
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:30,360
Speaker 1: what I get out of like Queer Eye, is that

1116
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 1: it like makes you feel vulnerable. It makes you feel

1117
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:37,959
Speaker 1: okay being vulnerable. So that's the major like inconsistency there

1118
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:42,080
Speaker 1: is that like he's being tested now himself by these

1119
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 1: like ideals of a changing generation, which he's like like,

1120
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: look like he came up in a time where like

1121
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:51,000
Speaker 1: you had to be fucking hardened and like you know,

1122
01:02:51,160 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: a workhorse and not just to like breakthrough in the

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01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:57,400
Speaker 1: way that he did, but he was also doing it

1124
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: when people were dying, So like he's coming it from

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01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: from this place. I assume I can away project that

1126
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: he's like, why are you not being like stuffer about

1127
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,080
Speaker 1: like find your own I've heard him say I've been

1128
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: on the front lines. I've heard it very defensively say,

1129
01:03:13,240 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: and he said that, and he said it on his

1130
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 1: own podcast like a couple of times when Michelle, which

1131
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 1: you can't really argue, no, look I don't I think that.

1132
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: And that's what kind of what I'm saying is. It's like,

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01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 1: I just hope this leads to a productive conversation and

1134
01:03:26,320 --> 01:03:30,520
Speaker 1: not one that's like, you know what, fuck RuPaul Um.

1135
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,720
Speaker 1: I think there, Yes, I agree with you. There's there's

1136
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 1: so much room for compassion here. People are getting very inflamed.

1137
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: Charlene Um, who's a Brooklyn drag performer trans as well.

1138
01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: Um wrote this long, long post about how she was

1139
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,080
Speaker 1: getting worried that her comments, like her knee jerk reaction

1140
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,960
Speaker 1: to the whole thing was like really just like angry.

1141
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 1: And then she was like, but wait a minute, I

1142
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 1: just actually want to contextualize all of us because I

1143
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: love RU. I this is this is very disappointing, and

1144
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: that's why I'm reacting this way, and she and she

1145
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: went into how when RU was coming up ladies early nineties,

1146
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: Um the the sort of lifestyle was very hermetic. You

1147
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: you just had to be You had to just basically

1148
01:04:14,720 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: sit alone indoors for the entire like just the entire

1149
01:04:19,480 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: day when when when daylight was out, just with like

1150
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: a fucking towel wrapped around your head and giant sunglasses

1151
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: and you just had to like basically hide from the world.

1152
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: And the only time you felt seen or appreciated was

1153
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: when you would go out at night. We're big fucking hair,

1154
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:39,360
Speaker 1: looking like fucking fabulous. And so it just what internalizes

1155
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:43,840
Speaker 1: is this like this very precious valuation of what drag is.

1156
01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:47,200
Speaker 1: And for Rue, like right now seeing these things sort

1157
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:51,080
Speaker 1: of be sort of opened up, she probably sees this.

1158
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: She sees it as like a Pandora's Box thing where

1159
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 1: it's like we actually let me just's like contain this

1160
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:58,640
Speaker 1: back to what I know and contain this into like

1161
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 1: a mental model of what I know dragons. And so

1162
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 1: that's why Ru is responding this way, and I understand it,

1163
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: but it also makes me upset and it disappoints me.

1164
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:12,160
Speaker 1: So everyone should read m Charlene that's just her Facebook name. UM,

1165
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: read that read this little post that she wrote. Um,

1166
01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 1: it's very, very, very balanced on all sides, I think.

1167
01:05:17,840 --> 01:05:20,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's it's it's it's disappointing, it's

1168
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 1: it's a it's a tough one. It's tough. It's a

1169
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,720
Speaker 1: tough one because also it's like, you know, at the

1170
01:05:26,800 --> 01:05:29,640
Speaker 1: heart of it is like ru I think wants to

1171
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:35,160
Speaker 1: celebrate like like fun and throwing off these chains and

1172
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: it's like but at the end of the day, like

1173
01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: being thrown at other people, yes, questions of identity and

1174
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: then people, I don't blame anyone that's going to feel

1175
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: hurt or disrespected or cast aside when that's happened their

1176
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: whole fucking like man, that's that's a that's as if

1177
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:56,280
Speaker 1: to say, like you couldn't intersect it fun for volity

1178
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,520
Speaker 1: with a trans performer or with a female sis female

1179
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: drag performing on the show like fucking Peppermint, Like she

1180
01:06:02,560 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 1: specifically talks about Peppermint and the Guardian article and it

1181
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: talks about like the breasts forming, and that's when it

1182
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: gets weird. It's like literally talks about her physical body.

1183
01:06:10,440 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: But that's where sort of like doesn't understand what trends transition, right,

1184
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:17,000
Speaker 1: because then it's becoming like the postop thing yeah, and

1185
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: like looking only at the surface level exactly, with the

1186
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: interiority that like I think he's missing exactly and understanding

1187
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:27,479
Speaker 1: the humanity behind it. Are you watching the season? I am. Yeah.

1188
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:29,919
Speaker 1: We're at that point now where it's like I don't

1189
01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 1: because well, that's so I appreciated in your last recap. Actually,

1190
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: how much like the show what I don't like about

1191
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 1: All Stars thre I loved All Stars too. I thought

1192
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:43,600
Speaker 1: it was like the strongest thing, like, but like this

1193
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 1: is too. It seems very obvious to me. I mean

1194
01:06:47,240 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 1: last week obviously was like the curveball, which I think

1195
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: was dumb, but whatever. Um yeah, I was just like,

1196
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: let's get over it. Like you, I get if you're tired,

1197
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 1: then you're tired, but just like, don't make it. I

1198
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: don't know, you've got two more weeks at this thame Also,

1199
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:08,640
Speaker 1: don't more McMichael's give me a break, come on back

1200
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: in the competition. Um. But like also it's just like

1201
01:07:11,600 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 1: I know who's Like I can tell who's gonna win

1202
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: because I can see like the talent on display who

1203
01:07:18,600 --> 01:07:22,040
Speaker 1: I think it's Angela. You think that's why I'm like,

1204
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:23,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like, okay, are we just gonna

1205
01:07:23,680 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: watch Angela and Ben like win every week and like

1206
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: where's the drama in that? And like, but I don't

1207
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 1: want the manufactured drama of a reality show where they

1208
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:35,840
Speaker 1: have to bicker and fight to like play mind games

1209
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 1: knock each other out. I would just rather see RuPaul

1210
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:44,040
Speaker 1: say you go so mind gaming, and I don't care

1211
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:47,200
Speaker 1: for them strategizing. I didn't feel that way was all

1212
01:07:47,240 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: stars to know, because I mean the felt merit based

1213
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 1: felt merit based. I think maybe because there are more factions.

1214
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 1: There was like one specific faction, Sters too that carried

1215
01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:00,040
Speaker 1: over from that season, right right, right, um, but it

1216
01:08:01,080 --> 01:08:03,960
Speaker 1: I ultimately thought like you could see like people were

1217
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: succeeding because they were great, right yeah, yeah, totally, totally, totally.

1218
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 1: It was like clear redemption arcs, clear victory arcs, consistency whatever.

1219
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:16,400
Speaker 1: I liked the first half of the season because it

1220
01:08:16,439 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 1: did feel merit based. Morgan leaving first I thought was

1221
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:24,560
Speaker 1: definitely right, right. Then Thorgy, yeah, sorry you didn't that

1222
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:29,599
Speaker 1: it was fine? Then Milk definitely like it was. Why

1223
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 1: I just before I just want to say about Milk,

1224
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:37,080
Speaker 1: I want the unearned confidence of that to not only

1225
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 1: just think that I'm the ship, but also blame others

1226
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:41,600
Speaker 1: for when I'm an asshole. Yeah, because I want to

1227
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 1: be able to tell someone was like, how dare you

1228
01:08:44,040 --> 01:08:45,600
Speaker 1: not let me know I was being an as that

1229
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 1: that that that's the issue. That's when she said, and

1230
01:08:48,680 --> 01:08:51,080
Speaker 1: that is I feel like I've gotten the shaft here,

1231
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: but not asshole when she said I feel like Alexis Michelle.

1232
01:08:56,200 --> 01:08:58,719
Speaker 1: When Ever, when they let her walk out on that outfit,

1233
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,200
Speaker 1: it's like, Wow, this is the kind of person who

1234
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 1: watched that episode and saw Alexis Michelle in that episode

1235
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 1: and was like I identify with her, I'm on her side,

1236
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: Like no, yeah, yeah, or saw that. Can you imagine

1237
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,960
Speaker 1: watching that and being like, Alexis is right. They should

1238
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 1: told her to wear a better outfit on the runway

1239
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: so she could have won the challenge. I don't think

1240
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: it's Milk necessarily processing processing that that way. I think

1241
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: Milk saw that episode of Untucked Um and then was like, Wow,

1242
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 1: Alexis is fucking crazy. I'm not like that, and then

1243
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 1: going on All Stars three and being just like that,

1244
01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 1: like that, Okay, yeah that's probably even worse. Yeah, but

1245
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: I think that confidence comes from being so attractive as

1246
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,160
Speaker 1: a man, yeah, Oh, I sat next to Milk at

1247
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:49,400
Speaker 1: Cats just to bring it back. That is too much. Wow, gorgeous.

1248
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 1: I mean it's full circle. He goes back to Cats

1249
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:58,439
Speaker 1: and Milk would be a great Although he can't necessarily

1250
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: move sexy, he can model and we goofy. I thought

1251
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:07,880
Speaker 1: Milk was actually really good and Kitty girls time. I

1252
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:13,680
Speaker 1: mean yeah, but still, I mean, it wasn't for it

1253
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:16,759
Speaker 1: wasn't enough for you. It was just like the text

1254
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,000
Speaker 1: that he does and I'm just like, I don't care. Well,

1255
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: that's the thing that was so funny, so funny. But

1256
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: Milk is like just is I was saying, like it's

1257
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 1: always like se there with what I think he's trying

1258
01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:33,400
Speaker 1: to achieve and you and never never follows through all

1259
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 1: the way because you're like, wait, am I enjoying this

1260
01:10:35,880 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 1: because he's nice to look at. I don't know. That

1261
01:10:37,880 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: seems very shallow, um, but that's also one of the

1262
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: reasons why it is enjoyable, you know what I mean,

1263
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 1: Like they know what they're doing. Like that's why when

1264
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 1: it comes down to like you know, Milk and someone

1265
01:10:51,520 --> 01:10:54,960
Speaker 1: else that's like less appealing, Like even as a personality,

1266
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 1: they could come out there and give a better drag performance.

1267
01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 1: But if they're a less appealing reality show contestant on

1268
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:03,680
Speaker 1: reality show, that does matter. And that's I think. Like

1269
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:05,519
Speaker 1: I actually had a tweet. I was like, what you

1270
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 1: guys haven't watched drag Race? Drag is hot male models,

1271
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 1: like because that's honestly how it feels sometimes, like like

1272
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:18,120
Speaker 1: when they cast the show, it's like, if Pearl was

1273
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:21,240
Speaker 1: uglier than he is as a boy, would be in

1274
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 1: the top three. And that's that. And if you don't

1275
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:29,439
Speaker 1: admit that you are fucking crazy. Milk. The problem I

1276
01:11:29,520 --> 01:11:31,639
Speaker 1: have with Milk is that he knows he's so pretty,

1277
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 1: but like tries to show off that he is like quirky, awkward,

1278
01:11:37,200 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: like ugly. So it's a very anakendric thing. Yeah, and

1279
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 1: it's like look at my gaptives, look at my big nose,

1280
01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:45,760
Speaker 1: and it's like no, like I want like some of

1281
01:11:45,840 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 1: my favorite like Katia is one. I think Katia is

1282
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 1: like one of the most stunning beautiful people in the world,

1283
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:56,000
Speaker 1: and like as a boy attractive, but like not like Milk.

1284
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: Like if Milk were to be Katia, like that would

1285
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:01,559
Speaker 1: be like insane. Say, It's like how that doesn't transfer.

1286
01:12:01,640 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 1: Let me just put trash on my face and I'm editorial.

1287
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:08,719
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't care, like be something interesting.

1288
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:10,559
Speaker 1: I don't know, like, don't be interesting, just be good

1289
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:12,799
Speaker 1: at it, and I don't need it. It feels forced.

1290
01:12:13,520 --> 01:12:15,840
Speaker 1: It feels like I don't know because even when Milk

1291
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:18,439
Speaker 1: came out in the Glamour look like he wasn't a

1292
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 1: gorgeous woman, like something like Katia comes out and if

1293
01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:26,120
Speaker 1: Katia wanted to look glamorous fish she could, like Katia

1294
01:12:26,200 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 1: is gorgeouss But like I mean, like Alyssa. I think

1295
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:35,440
Speaker 1: Alyssa like the perfect fucking package because she's also crazy.

1296
01:12:36,760 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: And also, I don't know if you've you know, you

1297
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 1: guys aren't real housewives. I'm a new sort of I'm

1298
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 1: a neo fight. When I started watching Dallas, I understood

1299
01:12:47,680 --> 01:12:53,400
Speaker 1: it's that's the reference point rich Dallas bitches women. It

1300
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:57,639
Speaker 1: is like it made me understand what Alyssa Edwards yeah,

1301
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: like like like literally like yeah, it's like wrong, like

1302
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,960
Speaker 1: all like new money, but new Dallas money. So like

1303
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 1: they're all carnies and former cheerleaders who are like really

1304
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,320
Speaker 1: married into it and like are desperate to keep it right.

1305
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 1: That's why I like money during All Stars to when

1306
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: they did the pants challenge, Elyssa Edwards came out and

1307
01:13:18,160 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 1: she goes, I'm giving you which white woman, like, which

1308
01:13:23,960 --> 01:13:26,679
Speaker 1: is just so funny for her to say, I'm giving

1309
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:30,840
Speaker 1: you rich woman if she's been dressing up like something

1310
01:13:30,920 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 1: else the whole time, Like this is a rich white woman.

1311
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:37,879
Speaker 1: It's subdued. You did invite this one to a party daytime.

1312
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,639
Speaker 1: She's there to greet you, and that's the daytime, Melissa.

1313
01:13:40,680 --> 01:13:43,360
Speaker 1: That's what it was. Daytime Melissa. But she couldn't know.

1314
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 1: She didn't know. That's what that meant. Elyssa was for

1315
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 1: all time. Where's that reality show? I know, the World

1316
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:51,800
Speaker 1: of under right. Yeah, it's supposed to be like an

1317
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:55,200
Speaker 1: online thing. Dang, Now, I say air put it on logo,

1318
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:59,519
Speaker 1: there's no programming. Absolutely, put it on logo. Yeah, I say,

1319
01:13:59,680 --> 01:14:03,280
Speaker 1: literally make logo for drag what like Bravo is for

1320
01:14:03,320 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 1: the Real Housewives would be everything on it, Like you

1321
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:07,680
Speaker 1: want to put Drag Race on d H one, Sure,

1322
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: let that be its own thing. But you know they

1323
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:13,640
Speaker 1: are kind of trying to like Housewives eyes where they

1324
01:14:13,720 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 1: wanted to be on all the time. Yeah, well that's

1325
01:14:16,600 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 1: the other thing that season it's the episodes are too long.

1326
01:14:20,040 --> 01:14:23,000
Speaker 1: When they're I do too, but like it's because I

1327
01:14:23,160 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 1: don't love the competition. It's like this is a real okay.

1328
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 1: So for season ten though, and we're going to be

1329
01:14:28,160 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 1: gagged because you have you heard about yeah, ninety minute

1330
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 1: episodes and then on back on television and here's the thing,

1331
01:14:34,600 --> 01:14:37,720
Speaker 1: and this is just me. You can no no, no

1332
01:14:37,800 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 1: no no, but Tyler can relate to this, and I'm

1333
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:40,920
Speaker 1: sure you even can too, and some of them when

1334
01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 1: I have my relations stop okay. So that just means

1335
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 1: every time there's an a minute episode, I'm like, all right,

1336
01:14:48,080 --> 01:14:50,720
Speaker 1: this is more writing I have to do on this,

1337
01:14:52,520 --> 01:14:54,800
Speaker 1: and if and if and if we're going to write

1338
01:14:54,840 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 1: for a season, tend about the whole two hours, including untucked,

1339
01:14:58,280 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: Like that is going to be a lot of fucking writing.

1340
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm down with it. Like what, it doesn't bother I

1341
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 1: will just give a peg behind the curtain right now

1342
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 1: for drag Race. It doesn't bother me. I love writing

1343
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,240
Speaker 1: about it, thinking about it, I love watching it. I

1344
01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 1: would rather be my job with Top Model. I want

1345
01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:17,519
Speaker 1: to fucking that's hill myself. I want to bash my

1346
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:20,679
Speaker 1: head into the wall. Terrible show. I mean, there's show

1347
01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: there's nothing worse than recapping I show that you hate.

1348
01:15:23,479 --> 01:15:25,639
Speaker 1: And usually that's why I don't like to recap, because

1349
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 1: I usually hate what Okay, give us, give us why, well,

1350
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: this is unfair. Example, I recapt Looking the first season,

1351
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:36,639
Speaker 1: which I turned in like two thousand words for every three. Yeah,

1352
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 1: you had things to say. I had things to say

1353
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:45,439
Speaker 1: about representation interest. Sure I was looking back and like

1354
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:49,920
Speaker 1: it was probably a little too hard on it. It's

1355
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:52,000
Speaker 1: important to do too much in those things. But like

1356
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:54,200
Speaker 1: I was just like, this is but what I learned

1357
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 1: from looking, and I think I actually wrote a piece

1358
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,120
Speaker 1: about this is like I don't need looking the way

1359
01:15:59,200 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 1: that I thought I needed it. Like maybe ten years ago,

1360
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:04,599
Speaker 1: by the time I got a show that was about

1361
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 1: a boring white gay man who like isn't having the

1362
01:16:08,160 --> 01:16:10,280
Speaker 1: sexity wants to be having, I was like, oh, I

1363
01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 1: don't need this because I found I've spent my entire

1364
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:18,599
Speaker 1: life like identifying myself in other people. Totally, it's easier.

1365
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 1: Did not need a mirror reflected on me because to

1366
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:24,679
Speaker 1: just remind me that I'm boring, that's part of that's

1367
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:27,160
Speaker 1: all totally, And this is something that I think people

1368
01:16:27,200 --> 01:16:30,640
Speaker 1: are rightfully bemoaning a little bit with this, Like, I mean,

1369
01:16:30,680 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: it's great, it's amazing just just having that representation and

1370
01:16:33,800 --> 01:16:36,560
Speaker 1: that being more widespread. But like, part of part of

1371
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: the fun of like being a queer person is just

1372
01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:42,200
Speaker 1: grafting your own narrative on things that just wouldn't normally

1373
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:45,760
Speaker 1: call for that or normally reference that, things that explicitly

1374
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 1: in your life. That's interesting and so I don't know,

1375
01:16:48,080 --> 01:16:51,240
Speaker 1: but it's also great, Like looking probably helped a lot

1376
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:54,880
Speaker 1: of people, right I learned what abakano was because of looking.

1377
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 1: Did you learn what Perry Parry Chicken was? Oh? Yeah,

1378
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 1: and Parry Parry chicken too? Remember how that was? Like insane?

1379
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:06,400
Speaker 1: Like what excuse me? You want to make what chicken?

1380
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 1: I mean, look Perry Perry looking was and looking? Do

1381
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:15,880
Speaker 1: you learn about eating as from? But I did learn

1382
01:17:17,680 --> 01:17:21,360
Speaker 1: any time I do, any time I I treat myself

1383
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 1: to a little fleet, a little enema, I do think

1384
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:27,400
Speaker 1: about Jonathan down and just letting the water slip down

1385
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:29,680
Speaker 1: his app his his colon, that scene of him just

1386
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 1: staring at the at them. I feel like that's like

1387
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 1: there were some educational moments in those in those scenes,

1388
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 1: and so I appreciate looking for that, but I also

1389
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 1: completely understand you having that, um, you know, writing from

1390
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 1: that perspective at the time that I was airing and

1391
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 1: you're sort of my age. Well no, I'm just saying

1392
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 1: like you're you looking back on it being like maybe

1393
01:17:52,200 --> 01:17:54,479
Speaker 1: I didn't need it right, Yeah, I think also because

1394
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 1: I have regrets about that because I then was like

1395
01:17:56,800 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 1: at four parties where Jonathan Graff is around, I was like,

1396
01:17:59,240 --> 01:18:05,800
Speaker 1: oh funk, I never go out. We feel about today's yeah,

1397
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:07,920
Speaker 1: or And now I'm feel a little subconscious about all

1398
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 1: the queer guys because they're all They're always on their

1399
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 1: stories and being like, hey, guys, don't don't be a

1400
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:14,880
Speaker 1: hater at like are they talking like? I feel like

1401
01:18:14,920 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 1: they're talking about people, and I try to be nice

1402
01:18:18,760 --> 01:18:24,679
Speaker 1: now because literally a struggle I think about lately. Okay,

1403
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 1: Like the whole center of this podcast is talking about

1404
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: pop culture and we are who we are, and that

1405
01:18:34,360 --> 01:18:37,639
Speaker 1: means that we're a little bit bitchy hashtag a little

1406
01:18:37,640 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 1: bit bitchy, um, but also like you gotta be and

1407
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:46,040
Speaker 1: also it's all for fun. Comes from lighthearted place and

1408
01:18:46,120 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 1: it comes from a place of love. If we talk

1409
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 1: about anything on this show. It means we cared enough

1410
01:18:49,960 --> 01:18:51,960
Speaker 1: to talk about it. And also, of course we're going

1411
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 1: to talk about queer eye, and of course we're gonna

1412
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:57,960
Speaker 1: have reactions to it. So it's not hating, it's just

1413
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:00,680
Speaker 1: talking about it, and that in of itself is a

1414
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:07,040
Speaker 1: celebration of it. However, I do sort of feel sometimes like, oh, man,

1415
01:19:07,200 --> 01:19:10,040
Speaker 1: like I really don't want to be like known as

1416
01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 1: one of the gays that talks about other things like

1417
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:16,840
Speaker 1: I like, and when I was first kind of when

1418
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:18,880
Speaker 1: I first moved to the city, Like the first thing

1419
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 1: I did when I really got to m y U

1420
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 1: and I was trying to study journalism is I worked

1421
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:26,200
Speaker 1: at the n y U newspaper and I would write

1422
01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:28,360
Speaker 1: reviews and features about the things that I saw. And

1423
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:30,600
Speaker 1: I was just nine years old. I didn't know what

1424
01:19:30,680 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 1: I was doing, but I did know that I'd rather

1425
01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:34,640
Speaker 1: be on the other side of it. I was like,

1426
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:36,720
Speaker 1: I'd rather create the work that people talk about. I

1427
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:38,680
Speaker 1: don't want to be one of the people talking about it.

1428
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:41,400
Speaker 1: But now those lines are blurred because I do think

1429
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:43,759
Speaker 1: it's very creative, and I see what's so creative about,

1430
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 1: you know, being a part of someone who talks about culture,

1431
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:49,280
Speaker 1: like I think that you're an artist. I think that,

1432
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 1: like I think that what we do is like fun

1433
01:19:52,439 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 1: and I think it's creative. But it's an interesting place

1434
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:57,200
Speaker 1: to be because when we did that, we wrote that

1435
01:19:57,240 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: piece about Anthony, I kind of I think I was

1436
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 1: kind of like depressed for four or five days afterwards,

1437
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 1: and I was kind of thinking, like, why do I

1438
01:20:05,840 --> 01:20:09,360
Speaker 1: feel this way? Is it because I feel like, um,

1439
01:20:09,720 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 1: you're not part of what's going on? Not not that,

1440
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 1: it's just that I don't want to be a critical,

1441
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 1: negative person. That's how I felt after Culture. I thought

1442
01:20:19,520 --> 01:20:21,479
Speaker 1: I was like, you know what, I also felt a

1443
01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:24,760
Speaker 1: little bit afterwards, I like in the cab right home,

1444
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:26,719
Speaker 1: I was just like, was I too mean about some people?

1445
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,640
Speaker 1: Like because I think because I'm not a performance Like

1446
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: I wait through my very brief performance phase, it was like,

1447
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to do this. I don't like practicing.

1448
01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:37,400
Speaker 1: I want to show up the amazing leave and just

1449
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 1: have everyone salute me as the which weirdly never happened,

1450
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 1: so not the pet pet. So I was really excited

1451
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,600
Speaker 1: to do it, and then then there's a lot of

1452
01:20:49,640 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 1: pressure to like because I was third, I had a

1453
01:20:52,160 --> 01:20:56,360
Speaker 1: match shoal and then yeah yeah, and then also like

1454
01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:58,040
Speaker 1: we didn't think about that. I'm so sorry, no no,

1455
01:20:58,160 --> 01:21:00,160
Speaker 1: no no, this is all of me. And like then

1456
01:21:00,240 --> 01:21:02,360
Speaker 1: just like the structure of the show, like we're running along,

1457
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:03,760
Speaker 1: so it's like I gotta get you quick, I gotta

1458
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 1: be like and I was just like I gotta hit

1459
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 1: a joke at every single time, and I was like,

1460
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:11,160
Speaker 1: I'm being an asshole experience for us, so we like

1461
01:21:11,960 --> 01:21:14,320
Speaker 1: we learned so much, Like obviously the first half was

1462
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 1: crazy long and we were like, okay, we have to

1463
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:18,800
Speaker 1: dislike course correct. I think the next generation that we

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01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:21,639
Speaker 1: do this and it will. I think we'll streamlin things

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01:21:21,720 --> 01:21:22,960
Speaker 1: a little bit more. If you would love, if you

1466
01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:24,800
Speaker 1: would like to be involved, I think we will get

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01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:27,720
Speaker 1: it right this time. I just think I just think

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01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 1: I just want everyone to always know that last culture

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01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:34,840
Speaker 1: is this are always celebrating and are always positive, and

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01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:36,759
Speaker 1: that's what I love about I don't think so Honey

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01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 1: is Even though I don't think so Honey is inherently negative,

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01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 1: it is also primarily cathartic and celebratory. Yes, And I

1473
01:21:45,680 --> 01:21:49,240
Speaker 1: just want everyone to know that and feel that because

1474
01:21:49,360 --> 01:21:51,760
Speaker 1: I and I think I speak for you as well

1475
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 1: want to be someone that makes people feel good. And

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01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 1: when I when when when the Anthony Peace came out,

1477
01:21:58,120 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 1: And then like later on, we had some friends that

1478
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:03,800
Speaker 1: hosted the show at UCB where he did monologues at it,

1479
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:08,960
Speaker 1: and apparently he like mentioned the Vulture piece and like

1480
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 1: playfully stomped his feet apparently on like she said he

1481
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 1: didn't like And that made me feel deeply sad because

1482
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:20,600
Speaker 1: I don't want anyone to ever feel bad as a

1483
01:22:20,720 --> 01:22:26,600
Speaker 1: result something that we've done. It's unless they deserve it,

1484
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:30,240
Speaker 1: unless they've done something actually harmful or you know what

1485
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:31,720
Speaker 1: I mean. And so that's just I just want to

1486
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:33,800
Speaker 1: make people feel good just and just to go off

1487
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:38,560
Speaker 1: of that. Like my first like media experiences or just

1488
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 1: my diet um in terms of like people commenting on media, um,

1489
01:22:44,160 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 1: just in terms of the way that we think about

1490
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,680
Speaker 1: it now, was through like this sort of triumph rate

1491
01:22:49,880 --> 01:22:53,920
Speaker 1: of Tyler Coats, Bobby Finger, Richard Lawson you mentioned the

1492
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 1: other day, right, like just just like those like like

1493
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 1: is he Sam Tyrid and I have talked to you

1494
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:00,080
Speaker 1: about this Tyler a lot about how we would just

1495
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:02,920
Speaker 1: like I just would like meet up and like talk

1496
01:23:03,000 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 1: to each other about like, oh my god, those people

1497
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 1: are so cool because they're talking. They're talking about all

1498
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 1: these different facets of pop culture in such a way

1499
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:12,559
Speaker 1: that is like I mean, like sure it's snarky sometimes,

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01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 1: but also like at the end of the day, it's

1501
01:23:13,960 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 1: like a celebration. It's not like like you don't reduce

1502
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 1: that down to you don disteal that down to being like,

1503
01:23:19,439 --> 01:23:22,800
Speaker 1: oh they're being negative and mean, and it was this

1504
01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:25,679
Speaker 1: like great moment and so yeah, sorry to bring storry

1505
01:23:25,720 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 1: to bring that up, but how do you think about it?

1506
01:23:28,800 --> 01:23:31,120
Speaker 1: Like do you think about that when you're talking about things? Yeah,

1507
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:34,160
Speaker 1: all the time. I mean I constantly worry. I mean

1508
01:23:34,240 --> 01:23:36,040
Speaker 1: I think the reason why I was never performed like

1509
01:23:36,120 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 1: the why the way I performed online basically like I

1510
01:23:39,880 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 1: wrote in like a voice and a character in a way,

1511
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:45,479
Speaker 1: And I think about that all the time, like how

1512
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:47,600
Speaker 1: much of myself I'm putting out there. My boyfriend I

1513
01:23:47,640 --> 01:23:49,120
Speaker 1: talked about all the time because we've known each other

1514
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 1: for ten years. We dated years ago in Chicago, and

1515
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 1: he hated my blog bro, like he was just like

1516
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:58,120
Speaker 1: why are you friends your friends with people on the

1517
01:23:58,160 --> 01:24:01,040
Speaker 1: internet and making air quotes Because podcasting as a visual

1518
01:24:01,160 --> 01:24:08,360
Speaker 1: media you're welcome. I pay attention, and so he was like,

1519
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:10,080
Speaker 1: these people aren't your friends. Like I'm like, well, I

1520
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:12,600
Speaker 1: know these people, but I don't know them and it

1521
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 1: was very weird. Um. And then when I moved here,

1522
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:19,160
Speaker 1: I met people who I had been Internet friends with

1523
01:24:19,240 --> 01:24:21,840
Speaker 1: for a long time. I think they had expectations about me.

1524
01:24:21,960 --> 01:24:25,040
Speaker 1: I had expectations about them, even just like becoming a

1525
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:29,080
Speaker 1: writer professionally, I like freak out about it all the time,

1526
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,639
Speaker 1: like if I I'm constantly worried there's a conspiracy against

1527
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 1: me because I like upset people from being like a

1528
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:38,840
Speaker 1: dickhead ten years ago and like that'll keep me back,

1529
01:24:40,040 --> 01:24:44,679
Speaker 1: which is just snarcissism. Snarcissism, and no one thinks about

1530
01:24:44,680 --> 01:24:47,320
Speaker 1: it when the kind of narcissists who thinks everyone's talking

1531
01:24:47,360 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 1: shit about him and at least they're talking at least

1532
01:24:51,240 --> 01:24:54,320
Speaker 1: fucking dare us think? And he doesn't like the piece

1533
01:24:54,800 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 1: actinly doesn't like and the hate stage, Yeah, it's terrible.

1534
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:06,960
Speaker 1: They couldn't care. Then they're also all fucking gorgeous. But

1535
01:25:07,120 --> 01:25:09,200
Speaker 1: like there is this thing like you know, if you

1536
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 1: put something out on the internet, like people are absolutely

1537
01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 1: available to like then like they can't. Like you see

1538
01:25:17,720 --> 01:25:20,120
Speaker 1: some celebrities like actually clap back at people, which is

1539
01:25:20,200 --> 01:25:23,320
Speaker 1: like refreshing in a way, sure, but I don't know,

1540
01:25:23,520 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 1: it's just like it's it's also like all internet based

1541
01:25:26,240 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 1: and so there's no like we strip the humanity out

1542
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:31,519
Speaker 1: of it, and it's just like these personas like attacking

1543
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 1: each other. Yeah, you know what it is to it's

1544
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,080
Speaker 1: I think some of those people that get clapped back

1545
01:25:36,120 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 1: at by celebrities are asking for that, and I feel

1546
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 1: like none of us are asking for me. We're not

1547
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:45,439
Speaker 1: We're not in this to engage with celebrities over the stuff.

1548
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:48,080
Speaker 1: Like these trolls online. That's what I don't want to

1549
01:25:48,120 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 1: be in with. Like I don't want to be one

1550
01:25:50,600 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 1: of these people. That's like, let me say some sheety

1551
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:57,960
Speaker 1: thing to Michelle Williams, the actress, and see if she

1552
01:25:58,439 --> 01:26:03,000
Speaker 1: tweets back. Like let's let's call someone heavy online and

1553
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 1: see if they get Can you imagine like, yeah, that's bad.

1554
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,240
Speaker 1: I mean even when I write profiles of people, I

1555
01:26:11,320 --> 01:26:14,479
Speaker 1: am terrified that they will be like fuck you, Oh

1556
01:26:14,520 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 1: my god, dare you misread my entire life? Um So

1557
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 1: that's I mean, literally every time I published what I'm

1558
01:26:21,320 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 1: like I have like a couple of hours until I attack. Yeah,

1559
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:29,679
Speaker 1: And in many ways that is the most human of endeavors,

1560
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 1: to really feel through someone else who's been your favorite

1561
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:38,760
Speaker 1: person to profile. Um. I wrote about com McLaughlin for

1562
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:42,080
Speaker 1: the Twin Peaks, which is really fun. I mean I've

1563
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 1: never had I've never spent like two days with someone

1564
01:26:44,640 --> 01:26:47,320
Speaker 1: like you know, skinny dipping together or whatever, and like

1565
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 1: we learned something. I think that's like on its way

1566
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 1: out really well because now we're gonna afford it. Um.

1567
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 1: But I did, Yeah, I did Commicclacklin. I did justin

1568
01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:58,680
Speaker 1: Vivian Bond and Kenny Malman when they did Kicking and

1569
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 1: herb again, who like I mean, I love both of

1570
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:06,160
Speaker 1: them so much. I love kicking her so much. Um um. Ever,

1571
01:27:06,280 --> 01:27:08,280
Speaker 1: and I wrote a very early profile of her for

1572
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:11,640
Speaker 1: Flavor Wire. I read that one before rock Bottom came out.

1573
01:27:11,760 --> 01:27:15,559
Speaker 1: Wow kind of responsible. You are responsible? Everyone think Tyler

1574
01:27:15,600 --> 01:27:17,800
Speaker 1: for Bridget Everett. Um, I loved your and your because

1575
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 1: didn't you up in the com oclockin profile with like

1576
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 1: him just greeting people. Yeah, I was. I was meeting

1577
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,360
Speaker 1: him at so House and so I was like, well,

1578
01:27:25,400 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 1: that's funny. Already because I'm going to I was like

1579
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 1: waiting outside because it's early, and he texted me just

1580
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,879
Speaker 1: like an emoji, like a smiley like crying face emoji

1581
01:27:36,080 --> 01:27:37,360
Speaker 1: and like a thumbs up. I was like, I'm on

1582
01:27:37,479 --> 01:27:41,200
Speaker 1: waying like thumbs up. Man was like km o'clock, just

1583
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 1: e and he just gave you like and he was

1584
01:27:43,040 --> 01:27:46,280
Speaker 1: like super friendly and you know, handsome, and I was

1585
01:27:46,320 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 1: just like he's a star. You're amazing. It seems like

1586
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:50,080
Speaker 1: a great guy. Let's just talk about David Lynch for

1587
01:27:50,120 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 1: an hour. Barata, Who's been the biggest nightmare I've never

1588
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 1: what I mean? I had to write. I had to

1589
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 1: write a Brooklyn Macover story for Ellen Page and it

1590
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:09,400
Speaker 1: was over the phone. So I had five minutes over

1591
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:11,360
Speaker 1: the phone with Ellen Page on like eight o'clock on

1592
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 1: a Saturday morning because she's on vacation, and I was

1593
01:28:14,160 --> 01:28:16,080
Speaker 1: just like, there's no way I can get anything good

1594
01:28:16,080 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 1: out of it. So I had to like write Ellen

1595
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 1: Page as a cold and just be like, well, when

1596
01:28:20,080 --> 01:28:22,479
Speaker 1: you talk to celebrity, you think you're cool, and like,

1597
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 1: actually it's not that glamorous because they're just on the phone.

1598
01:28:26,720 --> 01:28:30,080
Speaker 1: I have an idea whenever anyone asked you that question again,

1599
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:33,839
Speaker 1: I have a good answer to say the green eminem

1600
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 1: because she's exactly what you think. Really stuck up? Is

1601
01:28:39,880 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 1: that baby newhere, I think is the voice of it love.

1602
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,120
Speaker 1: I think so, oh my god, she must be making

1603
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:52,080
Speaker 1: a lot of great mars barm. I'm really happy for her. Okay,

1604
01:28:52,200 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 1: I think it's time. I think it's time to move on.

1605
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:57,760
Speaker 1: I don't think, so honey. Um. And we've got a um,

1606
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:00,559
Speaker 1: We've we've got an expert in the form with us,

1607
01:29:00,640 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 1: he's judged. Um. I don't think so honey. Is our

1608
01:29:04,160 --> 01:29:07,680
Speaker 1: segment um that we do every episode, and it's our

1609
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:10,519
Speaker 1: one minute each to rail against something in culture that's

1610
01:29:10,560 --> 01:29:13,040
Speaker 1: really just bothering us and deserves to be taken down.

1611
01:29:13,400 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 1: We should say that you should definitely come to our

1612
01:29:16,720 --> 01:29:19,479
Speaker 1: live show. I don't think, so honey. Lost Culturesa's live

1613
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:22,040
Speaker 1: at the Bellhouse on March sixteenth at eight p m.

1614
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:25,600
Speaker 1: We have a great line amazing line up. Okay, so

1615
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:26,720
Speaker 1: do you want to I can go first? You want

1616
01:29:26,720 --> 01:29:29,479
Speaker 1: to go first? I have a topical one. It is

1617
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 1: my birthday and I have a topic. And I have

1618
01:29:30,920 --> 01:29:32,439
Speaker 1: a topical one too, But would you like to go first?

1619
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:34,439
Speaker 1: Since it's your birthday, you make the choice. Um, I'll

1620
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:37,160
Speaker 1: go first. Okay, so this is Matt Rodgers birthday. I

1621
01:29:37,160 --> 01:29:39,519
Speaker 1: don't think so honey topical as time starts now, I

1622
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:42,200
Speaker 1: don't think so honey balloons. When I have in a

1623
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 1: row with the balloon, I have no idea what the

1624
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 1: funk is gonna happen. I don't know if it's gonna

1625
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:49,360
Speaker 1: stay flowing, flow to the ground, and if it's guests

1626
01:29:49,360 --> 01:29:51,679
Speaker 1: one am, I'm not looking at it hits a pin pop.

1627
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:56,680
Speaker 1: If a balloon pops, I will be so upset. If

1628
01:29:56,720 --> 01:30:00,160
Speaker 1: a balloon pops, it is shocking. No matter who you are,

1629
01:30:00,520 --> 01:30:02,840
Speaker 1: I don't care, and you know less culture racist listeners

1630
01:30:02,880 --> 01:30:05,519
Speaker 1: that I do not deal well with the shocks. I

1631
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:08,559
Speaker 1: don't think so honey, sudden louder noises, I don't think

1632
01:30:08,640 --> 01:30:11,919
Speaker 1: any hard fils. So I definitely don't think so honey balloons.

1633
01:30:12,320 --> 01:30:15,479
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something else. Emotionally, balloons bothered me

1634
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:17,840
Speaker 1: because they signifying moment in my life. When I was

1635
01:30:17,880 --> 01:30:19,560
Speaker 1: a young child and I went to t g I

1636
01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:23,200
Speaker 1: Fridays on an evening and my parents gave me a

1637
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:25,679
Speaker 1: balloon of my birthday and guess go of the balloon,

1638
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:28,080
Speaker 1: and the balloon went into mid air and I stared

1639
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:30,840
Speaker 1: at it, crying, crying, crying. I will never forget standing

1640
01:30:30,840 --> 01:30:33,000
Speaker 1: in that parking lot, Washington. Balloon go. So I don't

1641
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 1: think so honey balloons. You can pop, you can fly,

1642
01:30:35,479 --> 01:30:37,560
Speaker 1: you can never do anything right. I don't think so

1643
01:30:37,640 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 1: honey balloons. And that's one minute. Wow, wow, amazing. Balloons

1644
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:46,519
Speaker 1: popping are the great equalizer. Yes, everyone's shocked. It's true.

1645
01:30:47,200 --> 01:30:48,639
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you're right, you know what. I'm okay.

1646
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:50,559
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey balloons. Never give man a balloon.

1647
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:52,639
Speaker 1: I think that you would have. You would be hard

1648
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 1: pressed to tell me. I think so honey balloons. There

1649
01:30:57,200 --> 01:31:01,160
Speaker 1: is no greater anxiety in the world then a helium

1650
01:31:01,160 --> 01:31:04,439
Speaker 1: filled balloon that gets let go and floats outside and

1651
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:07,080
Speaker 1: all the way up in the sky. That fucked me

1652
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:11,160
Speaker 1: up as a kid. I was like, we're like everyone

1653
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:13,599
Speaker 1: took balloons and sent them out, and like they had

1654
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:19,720
Speaker 1: like notes attached to them. Thank you. It's you know what, hey,

1655
01:31:19,800 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 1: little kids, it's called literally, you're littering the sky and

1656
01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:27,240
Speaker 1: the earth because it'll fall down. Yes, And I'll tell

1657
01:31:27,280 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 1: you one other thing. After a party, when all the

1658
01:31:30,280 --> 01:31:31,680
Speaker 1: balloons are on the ground, and you have to do

1659
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:33,000
Speaker 1: that thing when you pick up the balloons and you

1660
01:31:33,120 --> 01:31:36,320
Speaker 1: kind of squeeze them to to to pop them, and

1661
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 1: you never know when enough pressure is going to be enough.

1662
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:40,760
Speaker 1: So you're standing around like, oh my god, oh my god,

1663
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:42,120
Speaker 1: oh my god, and you really don't know what it's

1664
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:44,280
Speaker 1: going to happen. Guess what, I have a really good

1665
01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:47,200
Speaker 1: life hack for that. What just get a pin and

1666
01:31:47,280 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 1: pop them like that? I mean that's what I was

1667
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 1: would normally do. Okay, Um, that was beautiful. Matt, Happy birthday,

1668
01:31:54,320 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 1: Thank you. Okay, And this is Bowen Yang's Matt Roger's birthday. Um,

1669
01:31:59,240 --> 01:32:02,519
Speaker 1: this is so funny. I shouted out George Severies on

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Speaker 1: this podcast and he just texted me, Oh my god,

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01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:09,479
Speaker 1: high George. I'll tell after he's a wonderful new friend

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01:32:10,120 --> 01:32:11,960
Speaker 1: that we have and everyone should check out George. He's

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01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:15,920
Speaker 1: a very funny, stand up funny in the New York area. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey, and

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Speaker 1: his time starts now, I don't think so, honey. Dear basketball,

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01:32:21,720 --> 01:32:24,680
Speaker 1: what the fuck was that short animated film that won

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Speaker 1: the Oscar? So that means Kobe Bryant has an oscar

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01:32:28,800 --> 01:32:30,800
Speaker 1: and we're gonna give him that in the Year of

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01:32:30,920 --> 01:32:35,960
Speaker 1: Me Too, which is so fucking ironic. It's disgusting. It

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01:32:36,120 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 1: is the opposite of delicious irony. It makes me want

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01:32:40,240 --> 01:32:43,720
Speaker 1: to hurl. I don't think so, honey, Kobe Bryant for

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01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:46,679
Speaker 1: obvious reasons, but I don't think so, honey. Pamela Mackie

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01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 1: his fucking lawyer at an Eagle County, Colorado, who intimidated witnesses,

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01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:55,759
Speaker 1: intimidated the accuser so that she didn't testify in court,

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01:32:56,120 --> 01:33:01,160
Speaker 1: so the charges were dropped. Kobe Bryant is a fucking rapist,

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01:33:01,960 --> 01:33:05,960
Speaker 1: rapist pig. And then seconds animated short sucks. It's a

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01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:09,519
Speaker 1: self congratulatory letter and it's a retirement announcement that oh

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01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:12,639
Speaker 1: my god, oh my god, it's the there's it's so bad.

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Speaker 1: Let me shout out the amazing other nominees. Garden Party

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01:33:15,960 --> 01:33:20,439
Speaker 1: an amazing, amazing animated short. That's one minute. Then will

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01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:22,519
Speaker 1: we will never hear the other ones? That was well,

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01:33:22,600 --> 01:33:23,599
Speaker 1: that was the That was the one that I want

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01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:27,240
Speaker 1: to get out. Garden Party wasn't Runner Loue by Pixar

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01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:30,160
Speaker 1: was the was the close second. I can't believe that one.

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01:33:30,479 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 1: I can't believe that one. I can't believe that one.

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01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:35,840
Speaker 1: The only person on Twitter who like appropriately. The only

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01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:39,599
Speaker 1: Twitter figure I'll say who like appropriately like wasn't raged

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01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:41,559
Speaker 1: at this was roxand gay. She was like what the fuck?

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01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:43,800
Speaker 1: And I was like, yes, but where why did the

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01:33:43,880 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 1: rest of us getting rock stand? Every day I have

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01:33:48,600 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 1: to read her her new stuff. Um, okay, Tyler, that

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01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 1: was brilliant that. I think we've had two really good ones.

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01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:56,720
Speaker 1: We've had to go and I think Tyler was telling

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01:33:56,760 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 1: me today, are you gonna do what you said? I

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01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:02,439
Speaker 1: think I've been like, this is the thing about I

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01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:05,000
Speaker 1: don't think Sony's like John and I do them if

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01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 1: we run out of things to talk about. But when

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01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:09,680
Speaker 1: we went to we went to London and Paris. When

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01:34:09,720 --> 01:34:11,439
Speaker 1: we were in Paris and like could only talk to

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01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:14,040
Speaker 1: each other, we just were like, what else did we

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01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:16,840
Speaker 1: talk about? We talked about the day? Okay, I don't

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01:34:16,840 --> 01:34:19,360
Speaker 1: think I want to go mom, mart I don't know.

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01:34:20,120 --> 01:34:22,360
Speaker 1: I love him the way to pass the time, it's yeah,

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01:34:22,640 --> 01:34:24,640
Speaker 1: that's gorgeous, and you learn about each other, but I

1715
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 1: haven't done in a really long time, so rust it's okay.

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01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:32,720
Speaker 1: This is Tyler Coates. I don't think so Honey's time

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01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so Honey. Jennifer Lawrence is

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01:34:35,280 --> 01:34:40,719
Speaker 1: so authentic. Ship Number one, I believe that she tripped

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01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:43,000
Speaker 1: herself when she won that Oscar. No one can prove

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01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:47,439
Speaker 1: me wrong. Just try me. Number two. She shouldn't have

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01:34:47,520 --> 01:34:51,320
Speaker 1: won that should just chest stain. Miley Cyrus could have

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01:34:51,400 --> 01:34:57,799
Speaker 1: done the same. I walked out of sober Let explain

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01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:00,280
Speaker 1: book a white woman, and Chelsea yelled at me for

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01:35:01,680 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 1: overconsum four. I don't know Jennifer Lawrence. She told she

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01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:11,920
Speaker 1: said that she couldn't watch Phantom Threat. She turned it

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01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:16,040
Speaker 1: off after three minutes because she's in middle school dropout.

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01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 1: She's self educated. She always did that because she's still

1728
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:23,400
Speaker 1: mad that she broke up with Darren Aronofsky and now

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01:35:23,439 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 1: he's dating someone younger than her, which the writing was

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01:35:27,080 --> 01:35:32,000
Speaker 1: on the role thereoutely watch a couple of movies. Bitch,

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01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:38,160
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, mother was bad. Sirus could have done silver

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01:35:38,280 --> 01:35:41,479
Speaker 1: Line's Playbook is a true gag for you to say

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Speaker 1: I disagree. I do believe. I do believe that Jennifer

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Speaker 1: Lawrence was great in that film. No, I'm the whole scene. Like,

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01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:54,120
Speaker 1: first of all, everyone has trouble. Well, I guess you could.

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01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:56,360
Speaker 1: You just said you like Jennifer Lawrence in that movie.

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01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:58,200
Speaker 1: Now I've told you that I hate a Jennifer Lawrence

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Speaker 1: that movie. Listen, here's the thing. Everyone has trouble pointing out,

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01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 1: like you know, every best actress movie. Like in the clip,

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01:36:05,439 --> 01:36:07,439
Speaker 1: it's like everyone has trouble picking out a clip for

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01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:09,880
Speaker 1: that movie. It's not. It's either her going up to

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01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:12,160
Speaker 1: Bradley Cooper being like, so what if I miss I

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01:36:12,200 --> 01:36:14,120
Speaker 1: like that about myself. That part or the other part

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01:36:14,280 --> 01:36:16,320
Speaker 1: is where she goes and like schools, Robert your and

1745
01:36:16,360 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 1: all these fucking Philly stats. I can tell you the clip.

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01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:23,639
Speaker 1: I didn't that part, but that that just that whole scene.

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01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:27,160
Speaker 1: It's just so like you see the wheel, the gears

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01:36:27,200 --> 01:36:30,920
Speaker 1: turning in her head. No, the clip is he's harassing me.

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01:36:31,560 --> 01:36:38,959
Speaker 1: He's lassing me? Was She gave a really good, panicked,

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01:36:39,120 --> 01:36:42,560
Speaker 1: anxious performance there, and I think that it was performative

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01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:45,799
Speaker 1: because it was the character was doing it on purpose,

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01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:47,439
Speaker 1: because that's how she gets a rise out of people.

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01:36:47,439 --> 01:36:49,800
Speaker 1: And when she saw that she saw herself and him

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01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:52,320
Speaker 1: and his reaction, I thought that was really good, and

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01:36:52,360 --> 01:36:56,160
Speaker 1: I thought it was a good romantic comedy performance. I'm

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01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm an apologist for her. She thing might tell with

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01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:00,679
Speaker 1: her is that if you see her in the Word

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01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:03,040
Speaker 1: show and she tries to rudolf a tele prompter, she

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01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:06,600
Speaker 1: has nothing to offer because she relies on editing and

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01:37:06,680 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 1: a director to tell her what to do, and usually

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01:37:09,080 --> 01:37:10,640
Speaker 1: he's telling her to play a four year old. I

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01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:13,040
Speaker 1: just want to say her like holding a glass of

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01:37:13,080 --> 01:37:16,120
Speaker 1: white wine last night and like walking over I was

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01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 1: like her publicist told her to do that one just

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01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:23,240
Speaker 1: like just she's like walking over the sea, and just

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01:37:23,400 --> 01:37:27,479
Speaker 1: like Jennifer was in her way. It was an empty

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01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 1: She was doing that just because she was on display.

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01:37:30,560 --> 01:37:32,640
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I mean, you know what, And

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01:37:32,760 --> 01:37:36,640
Speaker 1: we celebrate Jennifer because we celebrate culture. I've never I

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01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:38,960
Speaker 1: have not said anything negative about Jennifer. I I can

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01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:46,160
Speaker 1: stand a little bit after conversation, so um, I loved

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01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:49,920
Speaker 1: I loved us. That was so fantasmicst cultured gas we've

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01:37:49,920 --> 01:37:53,040
Speaker 1: ever had on everyone else. This is confirmed. Everyone we've

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01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:57,519
Speaker 1: ever had on is garbage. Tyler, thank you so much

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01:37:57,560 --> 01:38:01,280
Speaker 1: for having it was very fun friends, very fun for us.

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01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:02,960
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you, thank you for thank you for

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01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:04,960
Speaker 1: being here on my birthday. Oh You're welcome. It's the

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01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:08,000
Speaker 1: gifts that I could only give you. Absolutely, How old

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01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:14,160
Speaker 1: am I nineteen? Why do you ask? Because when you're nineties,

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01:38:15,160 --> 01:38:26,000
Speaker 1: somebody tell love. You gotta billy. When you're ninety being then, love, love, love,

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Speaker 1: Bye Forever. This has been a Forever Dog production executive

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01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:41,920
Speaker 1: produced by Brett Bahum, Joe Silio, and Alex Ramsey. For

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01:38:42,040 --> 01:38:46,400
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1785
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:53,719
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