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Speaker 4: So with the Internet cut in Gaza and the world's

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Speaker 4: attention focused on the Israel Iran war, the massacres in

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Speaker 4: Gaza have only heightened since then.

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Speaker 5: We put up this.

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Speaker 4: First element here, this Reuter's article. This headline is absolutely extraordinary.

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Speaker 4: Israeli tanks kill fifty nine people in Gaza crowd trying

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Speaker 4: to get food. Aid medics say this is similar to

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Speaker 4: the reports of the very first AID massacre, which defenders

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Speaker 4: of Israel insisted for many days afterwards that it had

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Speaker 4: not happened. In all of those days since then another

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Speaker 4: massacre of people seeking aid has carried out. There's some

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Speaker 4: you can go to drop site, News, Twitter Feed if

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Speaker 4: you want to see it. We're not going to play

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Speaker 4: it here because it's absolutely horrific. There is some footage

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Speaker 4: of the carnage after the tanks fired on this area

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Speaker 4: of Communis.

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Speaker 5: This was This was.

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Speaker 4: Another scene where people knew that there was going to

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Speaker 4: be an AID truck going through and attempted to get

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Speaker 4: aid from that truck and then they opened fire on them,

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Speaker 4: killing well over fifty nine. Actually at this point they

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Speaker 4: went to Nasser Hospital as well as others. Just is

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Speaker 4: on the brink of total collapse at this point. We

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Speaker 4: have some less graphic footage that we can show. This

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Speaker 4: is C one. You can kind of hear the the

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Speaker 4: shooting in the in the distance. You can see the

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Speaker 4: scenes about are chaos and I just and you can

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Speaker 4: see the lights at the in the distance there which

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Speaker 4: represent the GHF kind of quote quote unquote AID distribution center.

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Speaker 4: And just to remind people, before Israel took over AID

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Speaker 4: distribution and had left it to the World Food Program

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Speaker 4: in World Central Kitchen and others, you simply did not

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Speaker 4: see scenes like this because these are aid organizations that

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Speaker 4: have been doing this for for a very long time,

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Speaker 4: and so they know how to do this.

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Speaker 5: Speaking of.

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Speaker 4: Uh Naser Hospital, we can put up CE two.

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Speaker 5: This is and we can just roll this. This is UH.

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Speaker 4: Basically, this is a This is an audio report that

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Speaker 4: Dropsite got about the state of affairs at perhaps the

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Speaker 4: largest hospital that is remaining somewhat functional in Gaza.

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Speaker 6: Doctor Yusef reports that there is not just a huge

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Speaker 6: number row patients coming in from the various massacres like

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Speaker 6: the one today. Nassar Hospital is still in a red

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Speaker 6: area and importantly Nasar Hospital has no supplies, no consumables,

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Speaker 6: all items are lacking for the provision of emergency medical care.

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Speaker 6: He also told me that until now, since the seventh

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Speaker 6: October in Gaza, the Ministry of Health have recorded the

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Speaker 6: use of one hundred and fifty thousand units of blood

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Speaker 6: that have been used, which means approximately two hundred and

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Speaker 6: fifty units of blood daily. Now, blood is lacking because

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Speaker 6: of the starvation of the population. They cannot no longer

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Speaker 6: the fact that many have already donated units, they are

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Speaker 6: There is practically no food available. They're trying to cook

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Speaker 6: addition to being out of food material, there is no

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Speaker 6: staff and the patients. This is the reality in Naster Hospital.

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Speaker 4: And so for many months what drops O and other

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Speaker 5: It's never been I think it's dire.

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Speaker 4: As it is now overall. Last night and let's put

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Speaker 4: up C four there was another attack in Kanye.

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Speaker 5: That is an.

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Speaker 4: Assemblage of tents that you're that you're watching burning there.

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Speaker 4: So the footage that's shot around the world over the

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Speaker 4: seeing people burning alive. God only knows what the upclose

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Speaker 4: footage looks like there. Uh that this comes as effectively

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Speaker 4: nobody's paying attention for the last week or so because

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Speaker 4: of the other war. The other war be between Israel

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Speaker 1: Brian, what is the what have you heard from sources?

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Speaker 7: No drop site is regularly in contact with people in

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Speaker 7: Gaza and in West Bank, and what is their spirit like,

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Speaker 7: what have you heard well west Bank?

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Speaker 4: Interestingly, I'm glad you mentioned that the UN put out

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Speaker 4: on total lockdown for Palestinians. Israeli settlers who live in

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Speaker 4: the West Bank can move freely from their settlements to jobs,

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Speaker 4: But the West Bank just just you know, if you're

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Speaker 4: in a town, you can't leave the town. The checkpoints

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Speaker 4: have become almost impassable, which means you can't as a family,

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Speaker 4: you can't get to your job, you can't visit friends,

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Speaker 4: you can't can't do anything. Yeah, like just a complete

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Speaker 4: you imagine COVID lockdown times thousands and with guns everywhere

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Speaker 4: in the Despair is pretty extreme in Gaza. The hunger

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Speaker 4: like the you know, hunger is one of those things

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Speaker 4: that we can all identify with because we get hungry.

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Speaker 4: Everybody gets hungry. We have the ability when we get

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Speaker 4: hungry to go feed ourselves. Sometimes we complain about the

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Speaker 4: food we'll get, but if we're thirsty, we can drink.

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Speaker 5: If we're hungry, we can eat.

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Speaker 4: Sometimes we have to wait an hour, and it's like, oh,

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Speaker 4: that's how awful was that? Like today, I forgot to

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Speaker 4: bring a granola bar, so I'm going to suffer for

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Speaker 4: like thirty minutes. You do love those, We love granola bars.

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Speaker 4: It's that feeling just multiplied to infinity with no sense

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Speaker 4: of when you're going to be able to feed yourself.

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Speaker 4: And you know that at every almost every single a

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Speaker 4: distribution scene, people will be killed, people will be shot at,

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Speaker 4: and people will be fighting over flowers and the other provisions.

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Speaker 4: That's the other thing you're seeing now, like people fighting

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Speaker 4: each other. Yet and so you know that if you go,

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Speaker 4: you you may get killed right when wounded, and if

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Speaker 4: lack of any medical care. Yet you go because of

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Speaker 4: the hunger and not just your hunger, Like we can

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Speaker 4: handle that. It's it's your family's hunger. There was a

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Speaker 4: man who was killed about last week. His last words were, please,

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Speaker 4: somebody take care of my children.

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Speaker 5: I left them hungry.

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Speaker 4: And for like, I think any parent around the world

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Speaker 4: can can identify with that feeling.

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Speaker 5: Like of like, because that's that's what you care about.

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Speaker 4: Even in his dying moment, like, the thing that he

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Speaker 4: was thinking about is his children and how they're hungry.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, it's I don't think. I think it's impossible

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Speaker 4: to describe the depth of spare at this moment. And and.

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Speaker 5: I don't see how I don't see how it.

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Speaker 7: Ends right, No, I mean if yeah, as everything is

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Speaker 7: escalating in Iran, everyone's attention is increasingnything elsewhere already, and

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Speaker 7: that looks poised to get even more significant. That that

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Speaker 7: redirection of attention looks poised to get even more significant

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Speaker 7: in the days ahead, which is it has to be

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Speaker 7: incredibly a bleak, a very bleak future, feels like, I'm sure.

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Speaker 5: And and the worse it gets, the more.

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Speaker 4: Severe the international consequences will be for uh world opinion

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Speaker 4: of Israel. When Western press gets in there and says, oh,

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Speaker 4: that's stuff that Dropsite was reporting in these tiktoks and

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Speaker 4: Instagram videos that we were seeing. That was only scratching

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Speaker 4: the surface of what Western reporters are gonna be able

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Speaker 4: to find when they get in there. And because of

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Speaker 4: this chauvinism around believing Western reporters over you know, all

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Speaker 4: standing reporters who are on the ground, that will have

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Speaker 4: a greater effect, you know, once people can get in there.

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Speaker 4: So people have to get in there at some point.

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Speaker 4: But if you keep a simmering conflict going, you can

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Speaker 4: fend off that day. And then Yahoo is a very day,

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Speaker 4: one day at a time type of person just kicking

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Speaker 4: whatever political pain there is just to the next week.

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Speaker 5: And so.

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Speaker 4: That's why I said, I don't know when, Like, I

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Speaker 4: don't know what's going to force that to come to

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Speaker 4: an end.

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Speaker 1: Awful thank you for your reporting on that, Oh.

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Speaker 5: Thank you appreciate that.

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Speaker 4: So up next, the comptroller of New York City, Brad Lander,

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Speaker 4: was arrested yesterday by Ice agents at a federal courthouse

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Speaker 4: and he's joining us next. New York City mayoral candidate

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Speaker 4: Brad Lander was a yesterday in New York by Ice authorities.

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Speaker 4: He's joining us today to talk about his time and attention.

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Speaker 4: What brought him to that and what brought him to

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Speaker 4: that situation. Comstroller of New York City, Brad Lander, thanks

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Speaker 4: so much for joining us.

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Speaker 5: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: All right, So we're going to roll a little clip

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Speaker 4: that has gone around the world from yesterday.

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Speaker 5: But first, can you goin to set up the scene, like,

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Speaker 5: where were you? Why were you there? Who was who

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Speaker 5: was ICE trying to detain?

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Speaker 8: This is twenty six Federal Close.

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Speaker 9: It's a federal building where immigration hearings take place. It

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Speaker 9: was the third week that I'd been there to observe

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Speaker 9: cases in immigration court, and ICE has started what's called

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Speaker 9: dismissing people's cases and then making them subject to expedited removal,

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Speaker 9: and then masked ICE agents have been grabbing them in

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Speaker 9: the elevator lobby. So we've been observing and then just

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Speaker 9: trying to escort people out of the building five times.

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Speaker 9: Previously I was able to just walk with families out

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Speaker 9: of the building. They did not get grabbed. But this

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Speaker 9: is an individual, Edgardo, who I was trying to escort

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Speaker 9: out of the building when this scene breaks out in

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Speaker 9: the elevator lobby.

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Speaker 4: Well, let's let's roll the scenes so people have the context.

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Speaker 4: Let's play that here.

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Speaker 10: You have a judicital war.

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Speaker 8: Do you have a judicial warrant?

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Speaker 11: The judicial warrant.

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Speaker 8: I will let go when.

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Speaker 5: You show me the judicial warrant.

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Speaker 11: Where is it warrant?

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Speaker 5: You don't have the gloria to arrest US citizens.

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Speaker 11: You don't have the authority to arrest US citizens.

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Speaker 8: You don't have I'm not obstructing. I'm standing right here

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Speaker 8: in the hallway.

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Speaker 5: I asked to see.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So first question.

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Speaker 7: Homeland Security responded and said they found an old post

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Speaker 7: of yours from twenty twenty four where you said no

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Speaker 7: one is above the law. Homeland Security responds, no one

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Speaker 7: is above the law, and if you lay a hand

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Speaker 7: said you were arrested for quote, assaulting law enforcement and

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Speaker 7: impeding eight federal officers. So, Brad, could you respond to

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Speaker 7: that from DHS yesterday.

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Speaker 9: I mean, everyone can see the clip that you just played.

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Speaker 4: So in that video, you say, you know ICE agents

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Speaker 7: So the last estion for me is if you could

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, he should get a real hearing on

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Speaker 4: Can you help our audience understand like why, like why

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Speaker 9: Well, for what it's worth, I said, my first trip

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that makes sense. You know.

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Speaker 8: And I am a proud Jewish New Yorker.

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Speaker 9: I will be somebody who shows up like I did

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Speaker 8: So we need honesty at city Hall.

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Speaker 9: We need somebody who can bring people together and deliver

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Speaker 4: Did you face any blowback for that answer? For saying

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and last question for viewers who don't know, Zorahen

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Speaker 8: It is strange time.

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Speaker 9: I sure hope Andrew Cuomo loses the Democratic primary. I

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Speaker 4: York on Tuesday for the election. We're gonna do a

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Speaker 4: live stream that night. I'll look for you out on

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Speaker 4: the out on the polls. But it sounds great, Comptroller,

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Speaker 4: thanks so much for joining us.

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Speaker 8: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: New York City mayoral candidate Zorn Mamdani and aoc rallied

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Speaker 4: yesterday in New York.

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Speaker 5: Let's roll some of this.

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Speaker 12: To everyone who pulls me aside to whisper with the

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Speaker 12: best intentions, you have already won. I am sorry, but

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Speaker 12: the days of moral victories are over. And as my

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Speaker 12: father told me years ago, when the right wins power

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Speaker 12: the left rights a great book, those days are over too,

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Speaker 12: because this is a campaign that is going to win

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Speaker 12: on June twenty fourth.

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Speaker 10: For so long, we have had political leadership, including in

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Speaker 10: the Democratic Party, that has just wanted to play it's safe,

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Speaker 10: that has just wanted to be neutral, where so many

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Speaker 10: people are motivated by their own individual political careers. And

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Speaker 10: I cannot tell you how shocked I have been to

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Speaker 10: see so many of the individuals who called on Andrew

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Speaker 10: Cuomo to resign in disgrace after so many details of

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Speaker 10: harassment against women, and for them, for those saying people

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Speaker 10: who called on him to resign to stand behind him

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Speaker 10: and endorse him for mayor of New York City, they

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Speaker 10: still decided to throw all of their weight behind Andrew Cuomo.

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Speaker 10: And I want to be clear about the message that

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Speaker 10: that sends when they do that. Three Palestine's will.

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Speaker 4: All right joining us how to discuss the rallies independent

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Speaker 4: reporter who was at it. He runs a substack to

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Speaker 4: Metropolitan Review. He's also a columnist at New York Magazine,

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Speaker 4: Ross barcan thank you so much for join us.

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Speaker 8: May be excited to be on.

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Speaker 5: So.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I've ever heard of New York

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Speaker 4: City mayoral audience with that kind of volume. You know,

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Speaker 4: typically you're looking at, you know, a couple dozen or

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Speaker 4: maybe a couple hundred people coming out to a New

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Speaker 4: York City mayoral rally.

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Speaker 7: I guess you've never been to one of those Bloomberg rallies,

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Speaker 7: the famous Bloomberg rally for.

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Speaker 4: The Bloomberg rallies. So, Ross, how big was this? What

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Speaker 4: was the energy like?

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Speaker 8: Like big? So it is still Terminal five, which is

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Speaker 8: a sizable music venue in Manhattan.

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Speaker 13: At least three thousand people were there, and it's it's

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Speaker 13: the sort of event that probably if the venue had

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Speaker 13: more capacity, they could have more. So incredibly high energy,

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Speaker 13: very crowded, much more like a presidential campaign event than

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Speaker 13: something for mayor. There have been rallies for mayor before

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Speaker 13: that brought people in, but I would say of this scale,

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Speaker 13: certainly I've never attended. I've covered mayoral races since twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 13: I have not attended a rally like this one. He

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Speaker 13: also had a fairly big one a little about a

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Speaker 13: month ago, a little bit more about a thousand people.

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Speaker 8: This was larger.

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Speaker 13: This is with AOC, So undoubtedly the crowds are there

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Speaker 13: for him. As we know, that's not everything, as I mean,

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Speaker 13: you'll win, but the energy for this campaign is like

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Speaker 13: nothing that I have seen in New York City in

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Speaker 13: recent years at least.

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Speaker 7: And Russi, you wrote a piece on your subseect just

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Speaker 7: called Life with Zoron that published recently and folks should

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Speaker 7: go read it at Ross Elliot Barkain dot com and

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Speaker 7: on your substack. But could you tell us I'm curious,

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Speaker 7: particularly about what you observed in terms of just name

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Speaker 7: recognition and how engaged people are in this particular election.

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Speaker 1: You know, you're just you mentioned it. It's not like

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Speaker 1: what you've seen in the past.

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Speaker 7: I'm curious, as you spent time with Zaramondani, like, are

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Speaker 7: people really plugging into the race. Are people connecting the

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Speaker 7: dots and saying, Okay, that guy is the guy who's

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Speaker 7: running from mayor and this is what he believes in.

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Speaker 1: What did you just notice as he was out campaigning?

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Speaker 13: Well, in general, the engagement has gone up a lot

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Speaker 13: in the last few weeks. It was a pretty sleepy

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Speaker 13: mayoral race. For many months. Cuomo had a very large lead.

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Speaker 13: Cuomo was barely campaigning, the other candidates were struggling to

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Speaker 13: gain traction. Zoron's polling really started to surge or i'd say,

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Speaker 13: move in a real way in March. But really in

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Speaker 13: the last few weeks, his name recognition has increased by

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Speaker 13: a lot, and he is now very well known in

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Speaker 13: New York City, perhaps on the scale of Cuomo now.

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Speaker 13: And Cuomo enjoys universal name recognition having been governor, having resigned,

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Speaker 13: everyone knows, there's no one who doesn't have an idea

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Speaker 13: of who Andrew Cuomo is.

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Speaker 8: But Zoron is getting there, or he's there already.

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Speaker 13: It's remarkable, And especially if you go break it down generationally,

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Speaker 13: I'd say almost any voter now under fifty years old

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Speaker 13: who's not an Orthodox Jew is coming out hard for Zorroon.

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Speaker 13: Older voter is much more skeptical. So there's a real

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Speaker 13: generational divide happening right now, and it's going to be

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Speaker 13: very interesting to see how that plays out because New

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Speaker 13: York City, in one hand, is a place where older

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Speaker 13: voters traditionally in Democratic primaries dominate, They are more reliable,

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Speaker 13: they show up. There also is just a growing cohort

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Speaker 13: of younger voters in the city, college educated voters, people

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Speaker 13: who are engaging more with local politics than they used to.

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Speaker 13: So that would be very fascinating. As we're now in

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Speaker 13: the home stretch under a week, there's definitely a lot

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Speaker 13: of energy and interest in this race, which I would

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Speaker 13: say less so a few weeks back.

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Speaker 4: It feels like if Cuomo is going to eke out

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Speaker 4: this victory, it's going to be because the attack ads

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Speaker 4: on Zorhan land and revert and reverse the momentum that

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Speaker 4: we've seen since March. If you if you look at

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Speaker 4: his kind of climb in the polls, and you look

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Speaker 4: at the trajectory, and you look at the date, the

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Speaker 4: time of the election, like he's he's headed to eclipse

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Speaker 4: Cuomo unless something changes. Does are the attacks landing and

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Speaker 4: does Cuomo have the ability to get those attacks in

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Speaker 4: front of voters who would then absorb them and decide

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Speaker 4: that actually, after all, they will rank Cuomo.

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Speaker 13: I would say that I'm a little less optimistic on

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Speaker 13: the xoron trajectory than you. I don't know if he's

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Speaker 13: on track to win even without the onsen negative advertising,

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Speaker 13: just because no independent polls actually showed him ahead. Today

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Speaker 13: Marris poll came out the race has strunk dramatically since May.

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Speaker 13: So Marist in May showed Cuomo up twenty four points

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Speaker 13: on Zoron after OURCV. Of course, this primary is RCV

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Speaker 13: can vote up to five candidates. People get eliminated and

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Speaker 13: you end up with a winner when they hit fifty percent.

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Speaker 13: So Zoron has gotten from down twenty four to down

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Speaker 13: ten in Marist. Most polls show similar movement. He's moving

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Speaker 13: towards Cuomo, no doubt it's getting very close. No polls

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Speaker 13: yet to show him on top. I do think, so

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Speaker 13: what the negative ads do? They're everywhere the ubiquitous So I, myself,

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Speaker 13: other people, my mom have gotten many anti Zoron mailers.

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Speaker 8: There's been mailed coming in TV to Constant.

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Speaker 13: There's a Cuomo superpack that's probably going to have more

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Speaker 13: than twenty million dollars from this race is over. That

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Speaker 13: has been blanketing the airwaves NonStop. Now used to be

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Speaker 13: pro Cuomo ads and now it's pivoted in the last

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Speaker 13: few weeks is purely anti Zoron. So you've got that

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Speaker 13: the new York Times came out strongly again in Zoron.

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Speaker 13: They issued a non endorsement in the race, but made

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Speaker 13: some very cutting remarks about him and his experience that

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Speaker 13: will be turned into an ad. So there's no doubt

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Speaker 13: this negative campaign is something that Zoron will have to overcome.

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Speaker 13: It's going to be a big challenge for him.

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Speaker 8: You know, these candidates are so different.

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Speaker 13: It's also hard to say what if, because literally you've

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Speaker 13: never seen a mayoral race, at least in our lifetimes

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Speaker 13: where the top two candidates just are so diametrically opposed

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Speaker 13: ideologically and have such different life experience. Someone who's been

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Speaker 13: in government for decades, who's been governor of the state,

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Speaker 13: the most powerful person in New York State, versus the

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Speaker 13: thirty three year old state assemblyman.

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Speaker 8: One's an avowed socialist.

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Speaker 13: One is from very much the center of the Democratic Party,

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Speaker 13: even somewhat conservative depending on how he feels. One is

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Speaker 13: very scandal scarred. One has no scandals. So so different, right,

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Speaker 13: And that's what makes this race really interesting. Thing that

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Speaker 13: the the the undecided voter here cannot be undecided for

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Speaker 13: too long. Maybe they won't choose either candidate or rank

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Speaker 13: someone else, but You've got stark choices in a way

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Speaker 13: you don't typically see in almost any election, I would say,

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Speaker 13: even beyond New York City.

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Speaker 7: And it's sort of the perfect race for both of

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Speaker 7: you guys having written like actual books about the left,

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Speaker 7: and it tests a lot of what you guys have covered.

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Speaker 7: And so I'm curious Ross as Zorn has been pitching

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Speaker 7: this I think strain of democratic socialism in a very

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Speaker 7: kitchen table type of way and in a way that

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Speaker 7: doesn't often get a lot of play, and like mainstream

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Speaker 7: democratic politics and Cuomo then, on the other hand, is

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Speaker 7: like the perfect foil for all the reasons you just listed.

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Speaker 1: So how do you think.

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Speaker 7: Going going forward, let's just say beyond actually this election,

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Speaker 7: and obviously that this will change if someone Amondanna wins,

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Speaker 7: I mean it gets even more powerful. But how how

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Speaker 7: has he tested out that that pitch for that version

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Speaker 7: of sort of democratic socialism as a foil to establishment

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Speaker 7: democratic politics, saying like this actually can work, you can

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Speaker 7: get average voters on board with you know, bernieism.

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Speaker 1: What people think of as that strain? What's that? What's

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Speaker 1: that been like?

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Speaker 13: Well, he's definitely taken the sewer socialist tact. You know,

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Speaker 13: once upon a time there were socialist mayors of big

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Speaker 13: cities like Milwaukee, and they're really focused on local issues

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Speaker 13: and kind of making government run better and providing goods

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Speaker 13: and services and sort of building a social safety net.

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Speaker 13: So you look at the planks of his campaign, it's

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Speaker 13: frees the rents on rent, stabilized apartments, it's making buses faster,

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Speaker 13: and free universal child care.

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Speaker 8: You know, he wants five city.

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Speaker 13: Run grocery stores, which are actually not all that ambitious.

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Speaker 13: I always get very views and people are like this

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Speaker 13: is communism, Like, well, you know, the city can't run

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Speaker 13: five supermarkets, and we have a lot more problem. The

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Speaker 13: New York City runs a million kid Department of Education

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Speaker 13: and a massive police force. So his actual campaign is

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Speaker 13: not the kind of like green new deal, massive upheaval

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Speaker 13: that you know candidates or federal office will pitch. Right,

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Speaker 13: there's no Medicare for all pitch here. You can't do it.

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Speaker 13: So that's very interesting and it's been successful. I mean,

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Speaker 13: I think Zoron at the very minimum offers a blueprint

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Speaker 13: for leftist campaigns going forward, which is, you know, you

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Speaker 13: focus on economics, you focus on bread and butter. Zoron

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Speaker 13: is very smart. He's very savvy, so he knows this.

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Speaker 13: There's also the elements of Palestine politics of Israel Palestines,

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Speaker 13: and Zoron is Muslim, and he is used to certainly

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Speaker 13: identifies Nancy Zionist. He's still pro BDS, so his views

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Speaker 13: on foreign policy have become a big part of this

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Speaker 13: race too, though I will say he himself is not

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Speaker 13: really running on that. You don't go to his website

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Speaker 13: and find I support BDS. It comes up and he's

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Speaker 13: honest about what he believes in, but he is He's

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Speaker 13: really pushed it into this economic lane. And I think

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Speaker 13: this race is really important for the left because it's

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Speaker 13: the it's the biggest left wing campaign since Bernie Sanders.

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Speaker 8: New York City is a huge city.

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Speaker 13: They're going to be a million Democrats voting in this

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Speaker 13: primary at probably at least. So you're talking about this

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Speaker 13: is a state wide race, that this is like a

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Speaker 13: governor's race in most states. So he is running the

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Speaker 13: sort of race you've not seen from any leftist candidate

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Speaker 13: since Bernie running for president.

661
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Speaker 8: And it's on a scale far greater than AOC.

662
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 13: Not to take anything away from her, but she won

663
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 13: in one congressional district in the Queens in Queens in

664
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 13: the Bronx, you're talking, I don't even know how to

665
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 13: be voters vote in that primary, maybe forty thousand. So

666
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,480
Speaker 13: he's just operating on a huge I mean, the money

667
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 13: being spent, the amount of volunteers, the whole the whole

668
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 13: machine of it is just so much bigger. So win

669
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Speaker 13: or lose. That is really interesting. There has not been

670
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 13: any campaign like this in any city really, especially since

671
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 13: Zorn started from zero that's important. It's not so much

672
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,399
Speaker 13: like a Brandon Johnson thing in Chicago, who is very

673
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 13: close to the Teachers' Union. You really had a lot

674
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 13: of institutions kind of bringing him up. And that was

675
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 13: also an interesting race. Zoron, you know state assemblymen for

676
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:49,320
Speaker 13: four years pulling at zero percent. He built this from

677
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 13: from scratch and with the help of DSA, but but

678
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 13: he he really bootstrapped it and it became this massive

679
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 13: thing very quickly.

680
00:38:57,120 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 4: Well, to get a sense of what polls voters are

681
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 4: concerned about when it comes to zorhand, you can probably

682
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 4: look at the attack ads, because you know, the these

683
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 4: super PACs that have twenty million bucks to spend, they

684
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,720
Speaker 4: don't just guess at what ads are going to resonate

685
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 4: with voters. They they test these, you know, very deeply,

686
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 4: and then they go with the ones that they think

687
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 4: are going to work the best. I my my own

688
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 4: gut if I without testing it was the New York

689
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 4: Times one about lack of experience, and those other digs

690
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 4: that's gonna be him, that's gonna that's huge, Like they're

691
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 4: gonna that's gonna crush because you can say the New

692
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:36,240
Speaker 4: York Times says this about this guy, and for people

693
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 4: who are following casually be like, oh, well, new York Times.

694
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 4: You know, that's a pretty credible newspaper. And if they

695
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 4: say that, I can't rank him.

696
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 5: What else are the negative ads hitting him on?

697
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 4: For a sense of what the left left's vulnerabilities.

698
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 8: Are, He's been getting hit on defund the police.

699
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 13: Zoron did support defunding the police, not running on that

700
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 13: in this campaign. Notably has talked about hiring additional social

701
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,080
Speaker 13: workers to handle some mental health situations, but it's not

702
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 13: called for any NYPD budget cuts at all. But he's

703
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 13: on the record supporting defund So he's been getting hit

704
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 13: very hard on that raising taxes, which actually don't think

705
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 13: will be all that effective because he wants to raise

706
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 13: the corporate tax rate to something that the state actually

707
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 13: needs to do that the city itself can't do that,

708
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 13: it needs state approval. But I also I don't think

709
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 13: that's really unpopular, So I'm a bit skeptical. That almost

710
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,760
Speaker 13: seems like, you know, the Cuomo, the very wealthy Cuomo

711
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 13: superpackbackers are telling you got to do something on the taxes.

712
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 13: I think defunds certainly that that still can hurt, you know.

713
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 13: I think Cuomo's message is effective and that he's not experienced.

714
00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 13: So you can say to the average vot or listen,

715
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 13: do you want to hand the city over to a

716
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 13: thirty three year old state legislator?

717
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 8: You take away all the ideology.

718
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 13: You can call him radical, you know, since he's also

719
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 13: you know, he's a socialist, he's he's he's Muslims. So

720
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,280
Speaker 13: it's all the things you accused Obama of. He literally

721
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 13: is these things and he's proud of it. So certainly

722
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 13: you can you can move in that direction. You're seeing

723
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 13: kind of dog whistling that way. But I would say

724
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 13: the primary attacks are kind of what the New York

725
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 13: Times said, versions of that this this guy is flimsy

726
00:41:27,160 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 13: he's weak, he has no experience, he's not serious, he's

727
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 13: a he's a playboy. It's it's that kind of framing,

728
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 13: and Cuomo's the serious old man who's going to come

729
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 13: in straighten everything out.

730
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 8: He's the tough guy.

731
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Speaker 13: For a lot of Liberals who are thinking about how

732
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 13: to stand up to Trump, they think Cuoma, well, he's

733
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 13: a bully, maybe he's thuggish, but we need a bully

734
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:52,240
Speaker 13: and someone thuggish. He's also from Queens to combat Donald Trump.

735
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Speaker 13: So uh that that has been the framing. I think

736
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,440
Speaker 13: the most effective attacks are probably on his experience, because

737
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 13: you can't spin around that he's young.

738
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Speaker 8: He's very young.

739
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Speaker 13: There's not been a mayor this young of New York

740
00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 13: City in literally over one hundred years. So that's that's

741
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 13: just the fact. It's going to come down to what

742
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 13: do voters think. Also, how many voters leave Cuomo off

743
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,240
Speaker 13: their ballots, how many leaders are on.

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Speaker 8: Off their ballots.

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Speaker 13: Each side has been has had a very concervative push

746
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 13: to do this. Cuomo has leaned very hard of late

747
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 13: into the Orthodox Jewish community, which actually doesn't like him

748
00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:36,760
Speaker 13: all that much anymore, though he's extremely pro Israel. Because

749
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 13: of COVID he imposed these lockdowns on Orthox Jewish neighborhoods

750
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 13: in twenty twenty. There's a lot of bitterness over that.

751
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 13: So late, I've been seeing a lot of videos from

752
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 13: rabbis basically telling telling their communities. You know, I know

753
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 13: you dislike Cuomo. I know you'd rather vote for Eric Adams.

754
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 13: Eric Adams is not in this primary. You can vote

755
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,320
Speaker 13: from later. We've got to stop Zoran is an existential threat.

756
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,279
Speaker 13: So there's a lot of that rhetoric too. As a

757
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 13: as a Muslim who's critical of Israel. There's been a

758
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 13: lot of talk of how he can be terrible for

759
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 13: the Jews, he can hurt the Jews, and that's also

760
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 13: become an attack line in the final week.

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Speaker 1: All right, Ross, last question, give us your prediction.

762
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 13: Oh gosh, I don't love predictions. I think Cuomo's the favorite.

763
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 13: I think he has the slight edge. I think there

764
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 13: won't be a lot of clarity on election night, necessarily

765
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 13: because you'll have the art, you'll have the we'll see

766
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 13: an election night is the first place vote. So if

767
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 13: Cuomo's up seven points, let's say, you're then gonna have

768
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 13: to run the RCV calculation, which the way the Board

769
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 13: of Elections does it.

770
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 8: It can take some time, think at least a week.

771
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 13: So if you remember four years ago, Eric Adams I

772
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 13: think finished in first place with around thirty percent. Catherine Garcia,

773
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,759
Speaker 13: who is the runner up, was around twenty twenty one

774
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 13: after OURCV. She lost by less than ten thousand votes.

775
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 13: It's literally almost fifty to fifty. So my prediction is

776
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,360
Speaker 13: it's going to be very close. And also watch the

777
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 13: general election. General election is typically very sleepy in New

778
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 13: York City, not so here. Eric Adams, the once indicted,

779
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 13: be leaguered mayor, is running as an independent, probably cannot win.

780
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 13: Andrew Cuomo has an independent party ballot line he can

781
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,320
Speaker 13: run in the general election. Zoron could take the Working

782
00:44:27,360 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 13: Families party line he could run the general election. There's

783
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 13: also a Republican candidate as well, will get probably just

784
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 13: under thirty percent. So my prediction is you could have

785
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 13: a very topsy turvy general depending on what happens. And

786
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,399
Speaker 13: this race is going to get close, and election night

787
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 13: will be fascinating one way or the other. If someone's up,

788
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 13: if someone's down. I expect the margins to not be

789
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,439
Speaker 13: very big, and I expect us to have to wait

790
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 13: to see how the RCV votes shake out, and then

791
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 13: from their decisions will get made. Right, if Zoron wins

792
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 13: by I'm making up a number twenty thousand votes after

793
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 13: our CV, Andrew Cuomo is going to say, well, I'm

794
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,479
Speaker 13: going to run in the general and beat him. If

795
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 13: Zoron loses by ten to twenty thousand votes fifty thousand votes,

796
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:19,360
Speaker 13: there will be pressure on him to run again because

797
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 13: then the general election will be Andrew Cuomo, Eric Adams,

798
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 13: Kurtis Sliwa progresses in the city will be like, these

799
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:30,319
Speaker 13: are all bad options. So it happened, No hard predictions,

800
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 13: but just look out for all of that.

801
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 5: If loses, would he have a ballot line anywhere?

802
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 8: Yeah? The word yes, the word where he can give him.

803
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 8: They can give him the ballot line.

804
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:42,359
Speaker 13: They can choose to give it to him, so he

805
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 13: will have that option. Cuomo created his own ballot line.

806
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 13: Eric Adams created.

807
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:48,640
Speaker 5: His own ballot.

808
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's stupid.

809
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 13: They stupids think Adams like stop anti semmonism or something.

810
00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 13: Support why yes, help help all women. So yeah, so

811
00:46:00,600 --> 00:46:03,040
Speaker 13: they all have that option. So the general election is

812
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 13: potentially very interesting. Now, if one Kendiate wins by a

813
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 13: lot gets the Democratic nomination game over, but if it's

814
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 13: close enough, each side.

815
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 8: Will feel pressure to continue onward.

816
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:16,919
Speaker 5: That's his last ques last reason.

817
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Speaker 4: Briefly, because we had brad Lander on the show earlier today,

818
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 4: and you know he had that big arrest yesterday.

819
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,800
Speaker 5: He's endorsed sorehand. Does that How does that play in?

820
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 13: I think it's good. It's good for Zoran. He needs

821
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 13: brad Lander votes. Brad Lander right now is in the

822
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 13: third place. It's kind of a distant third, but he's

823
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 13: got a base. You know, he is a technocratic progressive.

824
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 13: So there are people who like brad Lander who want

825
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 13: him to be mayor, but they aren't sure about Zoron

826
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 13: because of his inexperience. So for brad Lander to endorse him,

827
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 13: I do think brings along some voters who will now

828
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:54,760
Speaker 13: put Zoron on their ballots.

829
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Speaker 8: Does it help brad Lander?

830
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 13: I think to an extent yes, is going to be

831
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 13: a Zoran surge, and there's many people putting brad Lander

832
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 13: on the ballots, so it'll go deeper into the RCV rounds.

833
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 13: So I think I think it's mutually beneficial. I don't

834
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 13: know if it helps brad Lander get over the hump.

835
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Speaker 13: I mean, one challenge for Zoron in this race is

836
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 13: the other candidates haven't performed that well. Cuomo has really

837
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,399
Speaker 13: been far ahead of all of them, and Zoron has

838
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 13: ran to catch up. But third, fourth, fifth place, they're

839
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 13: way way behind. Zoron might be in better position right

840
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,720
Speaker 13: now if someone like a Brad Lander or Scott Stringer

841
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 13: Adrian Adams had really moved into a better pole position.

842
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 13: But they really have not, so it's become a two

843
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 13: horse race. And that's where you get the polarization, the

844
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 13: extremely negative attacks, and the possibility of either Zoron pushing

845
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 13: past Cuomo or Cuomo kind of beating him back at

846
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 13: the last minute.

847
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Speaker 5: Fascinating stuff.

848
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Speaker 4: Ross Barkan, The Metropolitan Review Columns from New York Magazine.

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Speaker 4: Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you all right, Emily,

850
00:47:58,600 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 4: what about your prediction?

851
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:01,840
Speaker 1: Don't have a prediction. What do I care about? New

852
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 1: York City?

853
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,720
Speaker 4: The Republicans, if they had a decent candidate, could actually

854
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:06,399
Speaker 4: win this time.

855
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 5: I mean, no, they've won a bunch.

856
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, I guess right, quote decent candidate, I guess, decent candidate,

857
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 7: palatable or Republican.

858
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 4: They're nominating like a kind of a crank. Yeah, they

859
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 4: didn't really take it.

860
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: So it's an interesting guy, though. I wonder if you

861
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: would come on the show.

862
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,280
Speaker 5: I bet you've never met an uninteresting crank.

863
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: That's fair enough.

864
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 5: I bet we can get him on the show though,

865
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,200
Speaker 5: let's do it, Curtis, come on.

866
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 1: Isn't he the old school Guardian Angels?

867
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 5: Yes?

868
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: Yes, interesting. I think you two would hit it off.

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00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 5: We would. This could have been the Republican's year, though

870
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:40,839
Speaker 5: I don't know.

871
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,200
Speaker 1: Maybe isn't Eric Adams a Republican?

872
00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 12: Now?

873
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 5: Actually, shouldn't they give Adams the nomination?

874
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:47,600
Speaker 1: Well, as we were talking, maybe.

875
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Speaker 5: Win as a Republican slash independent?

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Speaker 1: Maybe?

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Speaker 7: And now he owes a debt to Republicans, So who

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Speaker 7: when we were talking to Ross, it occurs to me

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