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Speaker 1: Too Much Information is a production of My Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, and welcome to Too Much Information, the show

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Speaker 1: that brings you the secret histories and let alone fascinating

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Speaker 1: and more. We are your two divas of diversion, here

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Speaker 1: to whistle, register melisma our way into your Yule Tide

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Speaker 1: hearts and minds. That's an all timer. I'm Alex Tag

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Speaker 1: and I'm Jordan Runtuck and Jordan. Today we are continuing

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Speaker 1: our holiday programming by talking about the Evil Twin to

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Speaker 1: the Monster Mash, a Christmas song that, while a relative

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Speaker 1: newcomer to the cannon, rises every year from its seasonal

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Speaker 1: grave to dominate the last two months of the pop charts.

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Speaker 1: That's right, we're talking about Mariah Carries Deathless Anthem. All

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Speaker 1: I Want for Christmas is You. My version to roughly

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Speaker 1: of all Christmas music is well documented, and I'm also

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Speaker 1: not the world's biggest Mariah carry fan. But before the

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Speaker 1: pitchforks come out, I don't dislike her stuff. I just

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Speaker 1: don't really vibe with it, and I've endeared far too

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Speaker 1: many terrible coffee shop and garage rock covers of this

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Speaker 1: song to truly, you know, deeply love it. But I

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Speaker 1: can stand aside admire. As Ian Home famously says of

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Speaker 1: admire its purity. It is a perfect pop song, and

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Speaker 1: I never want to hear it again in my life. No,

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Speaker 1: it's so good. It's a great it's perfect well, it's perfect,

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Speaker 1: perfect pop song. Very happy Mariah carry Stands. Don't Come

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Speaker 1: at Me is a perfect pop song that I have

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Speaker 1: heard a great number of times in my life. Jordan's You.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there truly are two tons of people in

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Speaker 1: again and those who can't hear it enough. And I'm

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Speaker 1: in the latter category. I absolutely love it. I played

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's an updated version of my beloved sixties

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Speaker 1: Wall of Sounds stuff. I mean, it's tied for my

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Speaker 1: favorite Christmas stuff with the Ronnie Specter Phil Specter Christmas

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Speaker 1: album and actually wonderful Christmas time gets past two. We

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Speaker 1: should have done a Wonderful Christmas Time. Damn it, I

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Speaker 1: would rather eat a bullet. Really, yeah, I hate that

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Speaker 1: song so much. Happy Christmas War Is Over is also grading,

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Speaker 1: but better. There are two kinds of people in this world,

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Speaker 1: wonderful Christmas time people and happy Christmas wars over people.

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Speaker 1: And that makes a lot of sense that where we

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Speaker 1: both fall on that. Jordan, tell us about your history

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Speaker 1: with this song, specifically your musical history with it and

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Speaker 1: your romantic history, which are often intertwined very much. I'll

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Speaker 1: always intertwined. Yes. Once, in high school, prior to love

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Speaker 1: actually coming out, I might add, I transcribed this entire

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Speaker 1: piece of music by year to try to get our

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Speaker 1: high school jazz band to play it in some drastically

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Speaker 1: misguided attempt to win back one of the many girls

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Speaker 1: who broke my heart. Didn't work, mostly because the band

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Speaker 1: director wouldn't go along with it, which, in the end

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Speaker 1: But I got over my heartbreak by learning the ins

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Speaker 1: and outs of this masterpiece. And it is a masterpiece.

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Speaker 1: That's all I can say about it. It is a

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Speaker 1: perfect song. I love how those elaborate backing vocals that

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to talk more about this well, from

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Speaker 1: the traumatizing circumstances of Carrie's life that contextualized the song

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Speaker 1: the other Queen of Christmas battling Carry for the Crown.

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Speaker 1: Here's everything you didn't know about. All I want for

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Speaker 1: Christmas is you or Maurah. Carry was decidedly not at

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Speaker 1: that's up there with another traumatic story from a beloved

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Speaker 1: Christmas crooning icon. That King Cole when he moved into

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Speaker 1: Mariah Carry's origin story is about as well trod as Batman.

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Speaker 1: He co produced and co wrote many of Mariah's hits,

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Speaker 1: Tommy Mantola was uncomfortable with her biracial identity and constantly

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Speaker 1: that she was trying to collaborate with like Puff Daddy

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Speaker 1: Mariah began referring to the house they shared as sing

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Speaker 1: She was constantly watched and never allowed to leave hunt

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Speaker 1: magazine last month, she was she just said, I was

427
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Speaker 1: up late walking around this house where I was living

428
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Speaker 1: with my first ex husband, and I had a keyboard

429
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 1: and I'm by no means a piano player, but I

430
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: can plug out chords when I need to, and just

431
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,919
Speaker 1: doesn't mention him. She just has cut him out of

432
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Speaker 1: the narrative of this song. So I don't know, maybe

433
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Speaker 1: it's something that is so personal to her about correcting

434
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: terrible in her childhood that and you know, maybe it

435
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 1: started from her too maybe she was sitting around late

436
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,439
Speaker 1: at night and started writing this and brought in a

437
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: half finished shoot to Walter. And that kind of stuff

438
00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 1: happened with Lenon McCartney all the time too, So I

439
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 1: don't know. It could be a combination of both. We're

440
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Speaker 1: going with a final Steve's version. He was at the

441
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 1: piano and carry was seen. He told Business Insider in

442
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:02,680
Speaker 1: that my first reaction was that sounds like somebody doing

443
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: voice scales. Are you sure that's what you want? Wait? Yeah, yeah,

444
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 1: it's basically a C scale. This is like when Phil

445
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: Spector held the Romans at gunpoint while he played his

446
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,160
Speaker 1: old songs to them over and over again for hours.

447
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,639
Speaker 1: John Lennon too, he did that thing where he shot

448
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: the ceiling of the studio and John said, all right, Phil,

449
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: if you're gonna kill me, kill me, but don't mess

450
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Speaker 1: with my ear as I need him. Yeah, And still

451
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: people leapt to his defense. They were like, he couldn't

452
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Speaker 1: have possibly shot that person. Oh, I don't think anyone

453
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:49,760
Speaker 1: left his defense? Uh yeah? And that yeah, So it's

454
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 1: a C major scale essentially. It's surprising to me that

455
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 1: I finacy if didn't think this was a good idea

456
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Speaker 1: because I distinctly remember taking ap music theory classes and

457
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Speaker 1: comp classes in high school and they said that the

458
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Speaker 1: best or catchiest everyone to find best, which I guess

459
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Speaker 1: in this case is catchiest. Melodies don't have a lot

460
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: of jumps, but the notes are very near to one another,

461
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Speaker 1: and they just kind of like over the rainbow as

462
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Speaker 1: that big jump octave jump. Aside from that octave jump,

463
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: the notes are very close together. Yeah, that's why they

464
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Speaker 1: say they start spangled banners there or the nationally the

465
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: national anthem is one of the songs and have all

466
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Speaker 1: of these amateur singers do it because it's kind of

467
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: big jumps in it. But Carrie persisted and they kept

468
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: at it, and a Finacy told Business Insider she would

469
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 1: sing a melody and I would do a chord change.

470
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Speaker 1: It was almost like a game of ping pong back

471
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Speaker 1: and forth until we had it and I finally you've

472
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,159
Speaker 1: added to Billboard. That one went very quickly. It was

473
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 1: an easier song to write than some of the other ones.

474
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Speaker 1: It was very formulaic because not a lot of chord changes. Yeah,

475
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: it's like an old It's almost like an ice cream

476
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:58,120
Speaker 1: shop chord changes or bookie WEEKI chord changes. That part

477
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: of it took maybe an hour, and then I went home.

478
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Speaker 1: And you've also read fifteen minutes possibly to write Yeah, yeah,

479
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: it seems plausible. I fought to see if mince fewer

480
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: words talking to as Cap, he said, at the time,

481
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,479
Speaker 1: I thought it was overly simple, and I didn't like

482
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: it because music people know, you know, as we said,

483
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 1: it's like it's like a practice interview. I probably should

484
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: have studied this before. I impressed your winging it, so,

485
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: he told Billboard. I tried to make it a little

486
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,640
Speaker 1: more unique, putting in some special chords that you don't

487
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 1: really hear a lot of which made it unique and special.

488
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: And the backing vocals in a lot of ways, competing

489
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,959
Speaker 1: with the lead vocal line makes it a lot more

490
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: interesting too. Well. I mean that's the way modern songwriting

491
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: credits work is. It's it's lyrics and vocals and then

492
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,919
Speaker 1: everything else. And he programmed everything on this song himself.

493
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 1: We'll talk about that in a second. But there's a

494
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: mildly viral theoretical analysis of this song at Slate by

495
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: a guy named Adam rad See. He plays this song

496
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Speaker 1: in the lineage of the Great American Songbook writing, Uh,

497
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: he said, I count at least thirteen distinct chords at

498
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: work in All I Want for Christmas, You, including what

499
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,119
Speaker 1: he called the most Christmas e chord of all, a

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Speaker 1: minor sub dominant or four chord in the major key

501
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: with an added six. So is that this? Yes? So

502
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: what it does is the classic Beatles move, which is

503
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Speaker 1: you have it's in its home key. The chord goes

504
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: major four and then minor four back to one. Yeah,

505
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: so four minor chord with the six on it. Let

506
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 1: me put that chord in context of the song. Yeah,

507
00:28:49,600 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: So there it is, and you will recognize that from

508
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: every Beatles song ever. Yes, we love the plague minor cadence.

509
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:22,400
Speaker 1: The amen cadence afford to one is the playgal minor plague. Yeah,

510
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: and that's the Beatles thing. I mean, Paul has called

511
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: that one of his favorite chord progressions. Um, yeah, let's

512
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: let it be anyway a funa. Steve continued to Billboard.

513
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: For the next week or two. Mariah would call me

514
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: and say, well, what do you think about this bit.

515
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: We would talk a little bit until she got the

516
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: lyrics all nicely coordinated and done, and then we just

517
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: waited until the sessions began, which were in the summer

518
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: of ninety four when we got together in New York

519
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: and started recording, and that's when we first hear her

520
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: at the microphone singing and the rest is history. A

521
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: Finna Steve told Variety in that they first attempted the

522
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Speaker 1: song with a live band. He said, at the time

523
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: of the record the Christmas Album, we assembled a group

524
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Speaker 1: of mighty musicians like Dan Huff and Greg Fillion, Hanes,

525
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 1: and I think there might have been Nathan East who

526
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: was a famously one of Stevie Wonders bassists on bass,

527
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: and Omar Hakim, who's a legendary New York City like

528
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: session drummer, ninja guy. And he said, most of the

529
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: songs in the album we're old school, very Ronnie Specter,

530
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: Phil Specter, gospel like, so there was a lot of

531
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: live musician application to this. We did other songs during

532
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 1: the sessions with the band, but there was never a

533
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 1: version of all I Want for Christmas as you with

534
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: a band. I think we might have tried it and

535
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: it just didn't sound as good. So he programmed this

536
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: whole thing on his computer. Everything on there is canned.

537
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: That's nuts to me. I always assumed there was a

538
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: whole wall of sound style production with a bunch of

539
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 1: instruments in the studio. But yeah, it looks like the

540
00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: only other person playing on the track list thing is

541
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: Dan huff on guitar and backing vocalists. I guess all

542
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: the horns and stuff are since too, which I always

543
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: thought that sounded pretty real. But I mean, the guy

544
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: must have been the guy must have had like a

545
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: massive grade computer that's sounding that good, like the early

546
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 1: nineties simulation software. Since we're not that good. It's all

547
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: MIDI stuff like passio keyboard style. Despite the fact they

548
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: recorded it in August, A Fantasy told The New York Post,

549
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: we had Christmas trees and lights brought into the studio

550
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: to get us in the mood. There was even talk

551
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:25,959
Speaker 1: of bringing in some snow at one point, but we

552
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: didn't go with that. Thank god. They kept the temperature

553
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: really cold in the studio, too terrible for a singer

554
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: who's half their thing is like dolphins. She grew up caroling.

555
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: You know, I guess that energy. I guess we have

556
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: myr eyes. Favorite line of the song is I won't

557
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 1: even wish for snow, because she says that Amazon mini documentary.

558
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: I always wish for snow because I always wanted to

559
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: be a winter wonderland. The lyrics and that song are

560
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: actually pretty clever in the way that they can be

561
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: so multi purpose, and Walter and Fantasy explained she created

562
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: a lyric that probably to this is the only up

563
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: tempo Christmas love song. I think people like this positive

564
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 1: love song because it's interchangeable. Anybody can sing it to anybody.

565
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 1: It's about everybody, and it could only mean one thing,

566
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: from father to child, or mother to child, or wife

567
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: to husband. It's just all I want for Christmas? Is

568
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: you a fantasy time with Carrie ended messily? Uh? He

569
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 1: told Variety. When you're married to the chairman of the

570
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: company and you get a divorce, he was not married

571
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: to Tommy Monts. That was, of course, alright, Carrie. It

572
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: wasn't a civil parting of the ways. And I had

573
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: an exclusive contract and obligation with Sony Music. I had

574
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: no alternative. I had no way of leaving the company

575
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: and running off into the sunset with Mariah. So that

576
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: seems to suggest Walter, you got a wife and children.

577
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: So being under a legally binding contract, he said, I

578
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: had to stay, and he continues in that Variety interview

579
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: talking really with a lot of sadness. It seems about

580
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 1: the oddly specific way in which Carry has persisted in

581
00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: writing him out of this song and only that song.

582
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: He said, I own it. Were equal co writers. Yet

583
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: I can't call her. She doesn't call me. She continues

584
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 1: to deny the existence of a co writer on this

585
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: and he added that he's gotten death threats from Mariah

586
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 1: Carey stands on social media whenever he just brings up

587
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 1: the fact that he is correctly a co writer on

588
00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: the song as literally, any small amount of googling will

589
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: tell you, Uh, I don't know, man, Well, I have

590
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: another depressing code for the song. The music video was

591
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 1: directed by Diane Martell, who later directed the Robin Thick

592
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: video for Blurred Lines. Mariah did not have the best

593
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: time making that video. She told Pop Sugar, I was

594
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: actually in the snow. That's not something that was created.

595
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: It was freezing in that one piece ensemble and my

596
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 1: hair was frozen, and I remember it like it was yesterday.

597
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: And uh, probably didn't help matters that Tommy Mantola plays

598
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: the Santa in the video, which probably made it less fun. Oh, Yeah, God,

599
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 1: that guy karious Christmas album wasn't even pubblicized until the

600
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,919
Speaker 1: middle of October, by which point her duet with Luther

601
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 1: Van Dress on the cover of the Diana Ross and

602
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: Lionel Richie hit Endless Love was already stratospheric. The album

603
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: dropped and the single dropped right before Halloween, which is

604
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: kind of a well, I guess that's kind of the

605
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 1: standard time to drop Christmas songs, and she's she's held

606
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: to it. You were talking about seasonal creep, She starts

607
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 1: tweeting about this song on Halloween. Yeah, I mean, that's

608
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: what you know. November one Department stores, the song did

609
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: not top the charts, which is shocking to me considering

610
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: the life it's gone On the half, it peaked at

611
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: number six on the Billboard Hot Adult Contemporary and number

612
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: twelve and the Hot one A Play charts in January. Yeah,

613
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,560
Speaker 1: the album's performance was even stranger, which is a testament

614
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: to a fantasy assertion that Christmas music was not doing

615
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: big numbers at the time. It debuted number thirty on

616
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 1: the US Billboard. Two hundred sold copies in its first week,

617
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: which is huge today, But for Mariah Carey in there

618
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 1: was nothing, you know. It became the second best selling

619
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: holiday album that year, with a total of one point

620
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: eight million copies sold. And we'll get to the best

621
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: selling Holiday record of a second. But the record did

622
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: become Carrie's first number one album in Japan. Friend of

623
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: the Pod Japan never gets sold, No, it doesn't. It's

624
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,400
Speaker 1: so huge in Japan that sometimes Mariah would have to

625
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: perform it in springtime in summer, whenever she was there,

626
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 1: she had to bust out all the one for Christmas

627
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: as you, regardless of whether or not it's Christmas time.

628
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: We're going to take a quick break, but we'll be

629
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: right back with more too much information in just a moment. Yeah,

630
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 1: Jordan's I know you probably you've read this before, but

631
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: for dramatic effect, could you, in any universe have possibly

632
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 1: guessed what the best selling holiday record of was? Yes,

633
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 1: because it is a big favorite for some very dear

634
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 1: people in my life. And I also interviewed him last

635
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: year about Christmas so interesting. Well, folks, it is Kenny

636
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: G's Miracles, the Holiday album. Best selling Holiday record became

637
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,880
Speaker 1: the first Christmas album to reach number one on Billboard

638
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: since Mitch Miller's Holiday sing Along with Mitch in January two,

639
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 1: and the first instrumental album to top the top album

640
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: chart since Vangeliss Chariots of Fire soundtrack in two, and

641
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 1: the first Christmas instrumental album ever to top the album chart.

642
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: What did Kenny say about this when you talk to him?

643
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: I mean he doesn't like it's the one that the

644
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: Silent nightcover comes off of, right, Yes, I think so,

645
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 1: like news broadcast playing in the background. It's like a topic.

646
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: No no, no, that's Simon and Garf. Uncle. Uh tell

647
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: me about Kenny g the miracle Christmas miracle. I mean, yeah,

648
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: it's just like a supernatural phenomenal. I didn't even want

649
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,840
Speaker 1: to do it. I think Clive Davis made him do it,

650
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: and he was Clive, I'm Jewish, like I don't really care.

651
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 1: I was like, no, no, no, Um, he doesn't know.

652
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. Oh my god. Walter Funnas did the

653
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: arrangements on this bad scans. Walter funnasy if you Christmas

654
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: Ninja did my heart will go on this guy's He's

655
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: made some He's made some change. Uh. Carry's Merry Christmas

656
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: record has sold five point eight million copies in the US.

657
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 1: The album that the single came off of that Kenny

658
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: g record has sold eight million. The best selling Christmas

659
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 1: album of all time in the States, by the way,

660
00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 1: is Elvis's Christmas Record. Now, this whole thing gets a

661
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: little thorny because there's the pretty and post sounds and arrows,

662
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: which affects how Billboard tabulates sales. But Carrie's album is

663
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: after Kenny's in pretty much every one of these charts.

664
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: The business of Christmas music is wild. I just want

665
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: to add the oft repeated anecdote that Paul McCartney, one

666
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 1: of the few billionaire rock people earns upwards of half

667
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: a million dollars a year solely on royalty is for

668
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: wonderful Christmas time. But well enough about the album. The

669
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: album is dead. Nobody listens to albums anymore. What about

670
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: All I Want as a single one of the champions,

671
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: if not the champion. All I Want certified diamond in one,

672
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: which is ten million plus in sales. It is the

673
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: twelve best selling physical single of all time with sixteen

674
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: million copies, just under seen dealons My Heart Will Go On,

675
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: which surely warms Walter Rafana Sief's art that the other

676
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: thing he co produced beat out the single that Mariah's

677
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: trying to tell people he didn't help right, and it

678
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: was the first holiday ringtone to be certified double platinum

679
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:03,479
Speaker 1: by the r I dub l A remember Ringtones. Part

680
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: of that helped by the fact that the song returns

681
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: to the charts every year, like Clockwork, which is not

682
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,719
Speaker 1: entirely just up to carry tweeting it. Rob Stringer, the

683
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: chairman of Sony Music Group, told The New York Times,

684
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: in every year, we focus a campaign around new ways

685
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: to market All I Want for Christmas, because the opportunities

686
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 1: for people to hear this perennial classic just seems to

687
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: grow and grow because you're making them, dude, That's why

688
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: they do that. This year, it re entered the top

689
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: one hundred in the U s iTunes chart a few

690
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: hours after midnight on November one. Truly, like Clockwork, the

691
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: song was still not a number one hit though until

692
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. It finally topped the Billboard Hot one December nineteen,

693
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: after thirty five cumulative weeks on the chart, making it

694
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 1: the slowest climb to the top spot in the charts history,

695
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: a record surpassed recently by Glass Animals heat Waves, which

696
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: took fifty nine weeks to get to the top slot.

697
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: I don't know anything about that song. All I want

698
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,800
Speaker 1: also broke the record for the longest chronological trip to

699
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: the number one position, taking twenty five years to do so. Wow. Yeah.

700
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,919
Speaker 1: And it's only the second time in the sixty plus

701
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: years of Hot one hundred history that a Christmas song

702
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,240
Speaker 1: hit number one on the main chart, and these first

703
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:26,399
Speaker 1: to do so since the Chipmunks Christmas song in This

704
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: Is and This Is. I know these records don't mean anything,

705
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: but when you hear them all stacked up, they do.

706
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: They are crazy and these are my favorite. Carry's record

707
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 1: of having the most number one songs for a solo

708
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 1: artist on the Hot one hundred is now at nineteen.

709
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: I believe she's just under the Beatles and she has

710
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: cumulatively with this song, spent eighty weeks at number one

711
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 1: as an artist. And finally, since it was both the

712
00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 1: last number one single of and the first number one

713
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: single Ofies, he became the first artist in history to

714
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: top the Billboard chart in four separate decades es two thousands,

715
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: two thousand tens, and the two thousand twenties, and then

716
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: Sunrise Sunset. The song broke yet another record the first

717
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: week of January of twenty by becoming the first song

718
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: to completely fall off the Hot one hundred from the

719
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: number one position. Incredible, truly the entire rich tapestry of

720
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:32,120
Speaker 1: human experience encompassed in a Christmas single. Although it was

721
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:34,359
Speaker 1: obviously a huge hit, the song was helped by its

722
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: plot centric inclusion in two thousand threes Love Actually a

723
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: funeste who told Billboard that Kerry rarely allows her songs

724
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: to be used in film or TV, says he doesn't

725
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 1: know why she relented for that film in particular, saying

726
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: I think she just had a fondness for the movie.

727
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: She liked the script, and she liked the actors. I'm

728
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: sure she thought it's a young girl singing it. It's

729
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 1: the right time. Yeah. Richard Curtis, the writer and director

730
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,359
Speaker 1: of that movie, said that he was obsessed with that

731
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,360
Speaker 1: song and he played it over and over when he

732
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 1: was working on the script and feeling stuck. I saw

733
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 1: some one of those like feel old yet type like

734
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 1: click batty things recently that did you write it? No?

735
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 1: I didn't not this time. Well, it wasn't a feel

736
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 1: old thing, but it was like a violent math type

737
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: piece that said that the little boy in that movie

738
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: is just five years younger than Cura Nightley. Oh yeah, yeah, Well,

739
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: how do all those chart positions translate in terms of

740
00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: cold hard cash? Well, so glad you asked. Sten studied

741
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 1: by the Economist found that Carry makes about two point

742
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: five million a year from this song Suck It McCartney.

743
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: The song had made sixty million as of sixteen, which

744
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: suggests that since then she's made a further twelve point

745
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: five million dollars since then, not including two which means

746
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 1: this year it could top seventy five million, which means

747
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,319
Speaker 1: half of that as half of the songwriting team. That

748
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: means that song has made a hundred and fifty million dollars.

749
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: That's up there with Margot Rhodaville. Well, I think the

750
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: jury is still out on how well carries Mariah. Menu

751
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 1: at McDonald's, which unfolded over the last twelve days of

752
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: Christmas one did exactly. There's at least room for one

753
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 1: other uh avenue of expansion into the Christmas Empire, gustatorially speaking,

754
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: at least at some point in the mid adds. A

755
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: farmer named Angus told the UK tabloid The Daily Express

756
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: that the two thousand goats on his farm produced more

757
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 1: milk while listening to All I Want for Christmas. By contrast, wizards,

758
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: I wish it could be Christmas every day, which slaps

759
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: slowed down their production, and the Christmas Song by the

760
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:48,879
Speaker 1: Chipmunks stopped it entirely. Which else scans fannaty You've told

761
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: the New York Post when confronted by this fact, I

762
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: think Mariah should endorse a brand of Christmas goat cheese

763
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: made from the milk of those goats, and I would

764
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 1: obviously want half the profits. He may get his wish well.

765
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: Maria parlayed the song's success into her self appointed position

766
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 1: as the Queen of Christmas. More on that in a minute,

767
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: and is in fact currently flogging a children's book that

768
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier, co written with MICHAELA Angela Davis, called

769
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: The Christmas Princess, which is a Cinderella esque children's tale

770
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,759
Speaker 1: about a girl named Little Maria when they're landed on

771
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,280
Speaker 1: that who loves to sing about Christmas. My favorite album

772
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: title of all time is Me I Am Maria the

773
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: Elusive Shantouse. Yes, God, that was called that. Mariah told

774
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 1: USA today that there are rules that she sets during

775
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: the holiday. If you're in her Queen of Christmas queendom,

776
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: I don't care who it is. The kids, if five guests, whatever,

777
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 1: nobody is allowed to play or watch anything other than

778
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: a Christmas related thing. If I wake up in the

779
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: middle of the night and walk into the living room

780
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 1: and the music isn't playing and the lights on on,

781
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:01,760
Speaker 1: I just can't handle it. Do we think she's being funny?

782
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: Or yes, charitably I do, But are you just gonna

783
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: ambiently noodle on the piano? That's like Mr Rogers. As

784
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 1: far as legally being determined, The Queen of Christmas carry

785
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 1: just ran into a stumbling block this year. Her application

786
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: to trademark the aforementioned phrase, along with Princess Christmas and

787
00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: q o C, an acronym for Queen of Christmas, was

788
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: denied by the US Patent and Trademark Office in November

789
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: after Lotion LLC Company applied for it last year. Big

790
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:43,400
Speaker 1: Silence of the Lambs fan That's why her fans are

791
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: called Lambs, right, gross and weird. Jordan tell us about

792
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Chan, apparently a songwriter and named Elizabeth Chan, whose

793
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:58,800
Speaker 1: entire deal is literally only recording Christmas music, filed that

794
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: opposition in August to block this registration of those trademark names.

795
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,560
Speaker 1: She said, I feel very strongly that no one person

796
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: should hold on to anything around Christmas or monopolize it

797
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: in the way that Maria seeks to in perpetuity that

798
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: she's talking to Variety in August. Maria Carry's legal team

799
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: didn't respond the chance opposition and time, so the Patent

800
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: and Trademark Office did not grant her the phrase. In

801
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,839
Speaker 1: other words, Maria does not own the phrase the Queen

802
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 1: of Christmas or quoc or Princess Christmas. Yeah, this woman

803
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 1: is so fascinating. I love this. Elizabeth Chan loved Christmas

804
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: music since she was a child. She grew up not

805
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:42,080
Speaker 1: especially wealthy in New York. When she thought about making

806
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: music as a career, she told Yahoo that she was

807
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: told Asian artists don't make it in America. There's not

808
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: a place for you in this business. So she became

809
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: a relatively highly paid media executive and left that job

810
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: in her thirties to go all in on Christmas music.

811
00:46:57,040 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 1: She has remained an independent artist, self, releasing twelve albums

812
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 1: in twelve years and over twelve hundred songs all about Christmas.

813
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: It's a family business. Her husband Andy Fairley, designs her

814
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: album covers, and her eldest daughter Noel collaborates with her,

815
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: right earning the nickname the Princess of Christmas, which, of

816
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: course Maria also saw a trademark. Chance said that she

817
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 1: started getting dubbed the Queen of Christmas after her second

818
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: Billboard hit. She uses as the title for her one album,

819
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 1: and it was while doing the legal legwork necessary to

820
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 1: release that album that her entertainment attorney flagged Carries March

821
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: trademark application. For what it's worth, Darlene Love and Brenda

822
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: Lee have also been called the Queens of Christmas for

823
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: Christmas Baby Please Come Home and Rocking Around the Christmas Treaty, respectively,

824
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, as has Ronnie Specter. Chan Is Keen

825
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 1: the stress that she doesn't want a trademark the nickname

826
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 1: for herself. She just doesn't want Mariah Carey to own

827
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: the phrase the Queen of Christmas and be able to

828
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: use it for presumably a small country's worth of merchandizing purposes.

829
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: But she was told that the retainer to fight just

830
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 1: one trademark filing was a quarter million dollars, and Mariah

831
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 1: filed four that chance ought to oppose. So she was

832
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,520
Speaker 1: looking at a million dollars plus forty grand in filing

833
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 1: fees just to start the process. She told Yahoo, trademark

834
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: law is not something that's done on contingency. There's no

835
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: windfall of winnings. It's not like that. You're just fighting

836
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 1: for status quo. So she would be a million forty

837
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 1: grand in the hall, get in the door to keep

838
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: things the same as it is. So yeah, she had

839
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: the back down. You can't fight city hall. You can't

840
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: fight the woman who uses stilettos on a StairMaster. She

841
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: was rejected by dozens of lawyers, but for an old

842
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 1: friend agreed to represent her for free a pro bono

843
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,719
Speaker 1: case for the Spirit of Christmas movie. She wrote a

844
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: miss afterwards, but she wrote, the legal team is a

845
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,879
Speaker 1: series of songs about it, like a jingle. Oh oh

846
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 1: my god, wow is it like a Woody Guthrie style,

847
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 1: Like this is all like a developing case. Like these

848
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,919
Speaker 1: are recent interviews that she's been giving. So I don't

849
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: know if the new one is out yet, but if she,

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Speaker 1: if Elizabeth Chan releases a record, it's gone like thank you,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's about this one. Well over the summer,

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Speaker 1: Mariah Carry's team made several attempts to extend the proceedings,

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Speaker 1: but the date for her to file a response to

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00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,080
Speaker 1: Chan's opposition came and went, which means the request is

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Speaker 1: now permanently abandoned. I'm gonna trust you on this. I

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Speaker 1: am not a lawyer. Chan was a surprised as anyone.

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Speaker 1: She said that she'd been planning on a trial with

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Speaker 1: dates going into so in other words, Maria gave up

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Speaker 1: yeah yeah, or or they just like they missed a

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Speaker 1: filing date and and and I guess again, this is

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Speaker 1: what I'm going I was what I read. I'm not

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Speaker 1: a lawyer. Probably wouldn't be doing a podcast on a podcast,

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Speaker 1: um yeah um. She has this incredible quote though, in

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Speaker 1: the Yahoo pee she says, at chance, lets with chance,

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Speaker 1: Everyone in this business wants to tell you what's impossible.

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00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: And then you think that's the doctrine, but it's not.

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Speaker 1: Everyone told me you'll never win this trademark thing, you'll

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Speaker 1: never find another job, your career is over. Everyone always

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Speaker 1: wants to tell you what's not possible. Sometimes people just

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Speaker 1: don't know. Oh we love a comp well, we love

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Speaker 1: an underdog. Queen of Christmas story. That isn't even the

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00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: only Mariah Christmas court battle fought this year. A Mississippi

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00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,359
Speaker 1: songwriter named Andy Stone, who released a song called All

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Speaker 1: I Wanted for Chris As You under the moniker Vince

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00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: Vance and the Valiance, filed suit against Carrie and a

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Speaker 1: Final Sea in June, seeking damages of no less than

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Speaker 1: twenty million for alleged copyright and arangement based because these

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00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: songs sound nothing alike solely on the matching titles. It's

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00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 1: like a country song. I know that's it's a good song.

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00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 1: I hear it sometimes on the radio, and in fact,

881
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 1: it really got to wonder how many times people have

882
00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:20,240
Speaker 1: accidentally played it on some kind of streamer Christmas You. Yeah,

883
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,400
Speaker 1: so maybe they should be thanking Mariah. But well, his

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00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: attorneys voluntarily dismissed the case just in November, which means

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00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,440
Speaker 1: he could refile the future, but it is definitely a

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00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: long shot. Rolling Stone pointed out recently that there are

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Speaker 1: currently a hundred and seventy seven copyrighted songs with the

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00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: title all I Want for Christmas Is You. I would

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00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: like to punch that song in right now, but considering

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Speaker 1: how the titious they are, maybe it's not the move.

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's very good and the music video

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00:51:48,440 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: for it is horrifying. Oh it's a late eighties country song.

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00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: What do you expect? Okay? My favorite aftermath of all

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00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,319
Speaker 1: the one for Christmas You is when Biaber recorded a

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00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: duet with Mariah first one album, under the Missiletoe. Marian

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00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: wanted to do it in the original key, but Biber's

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00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,320
Speaker 1: voice started breaking just before they were set to record,

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00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,440
Speaker 1: and he had to really fight to get those notes.

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Speaker 1: He told Billboard Magazine. Yeah, that was high, but I

900
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: grinded it out and we got it down. How would

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00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:21,680
Speaker 1: any male sing it's original? Jordan? Do you have any

902
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: final thoughts? I love the song. I never wanted to

903
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: stuff He's sweet boy. I found a great quote about

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00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:31,719
Speaker 1: aside from its air tight musical construction, that sums up

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00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 1: it's enduring appeal. Andrea Dresdale of ABC News Radio told Vogue,

906
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: it's a Christmas song, but it has no religious content.

907
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: In reality, it's just a love song. Everyone understands longing, desire, love,

908
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: or just missing somebody. It's an upbeat song. So many

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00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: Christmas songs are not Many of them are ballads, some

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00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:54,240
Speaker 1: of them are depressing, but this one sounds like a party.

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00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,399
Speaker 1: The success of the song I found a Stiefe told

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00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,640
Speaker 1: Billboard is kind of a cosmic occurrence that happens once

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Speaker 1: every five billion years. I don't is the earth even

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00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 1: that old. Whatever, thousands of original Christmas songs have been

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00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 1: written in the last twenty years. It's not like no

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00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,920
Speaker 1: one writes Christmas songs. Everyone is trying to get a

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00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: Christmas song. But for whatever reason, all I want for

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00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: Christmas is you just became that song. It's kind of

919
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,080
Speaker 1: something you never would have thought and you can't really

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00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: explain why. And we feel lucky. And I think carry

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Speaker 1: as she would want to, should have the last word

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00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: and appropriately with it, completely shut down the entire point

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Speaker 1: of this episode and by extension, our careers. At the

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00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:36,200
Speaker 1: end of an interview with The New York Times, she

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00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 1: said of her immortal song, I take myself out of

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Speaker 1: the equation and just enjoyed as a spectator. People want

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Speaker 1: to get so specific, and I'm like, dude, it's just

928
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: a song. Well, folks, as you peer at me over

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Speaker 1: your glasses, thank you for listening. This has been too

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Speaker 1: much information. I'm Alex Eagle and I'm Jordan run Talk

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Speaker 1: Noel Brown and Jordan runt Talk. The show's supervising producer

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