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Speaker 1: Kurt Daniels, Danny Serek and Jesse Holly here end up
Speaker 1: building And guys, if you had an opportunity yesterday to
Speaker 1: tune in to the press conference press conference yesterday, there
Speaker 1: were three little initials that were blurted by our fearless leader,
Speaker 1: Michael Romeo India. Who will be taken on Monday when
Speaker 1: the team gets back into town. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's he's obviously I think he's going to Arizona. We
Speaker 1: don't know that, but guys, I need to know. And
Speaker 1: I'll start with you, Kurt, What did that give you
Speaker 1: warm and fuzzies? When Dak Prescott said that he was
Speaker 1: getting another MRI on that shoulder, Well, when I first
Speaker 1: heard of, the immediate reaction is, oh, you know, what's
Speaker 1: going on. But the more I read about it and
Speaker 1: kind of heard about it, it it sounds like it's just
Speaker 1: they're just checking to see how things are going and
Speaker 1: they want to see if it has improved. It's just
Speaker 1: an update. He's throwing some in practice. It doesn't look
Speaker 1: like hard, but he's throwing some, which is a good sign.
Speaker 1: So I think what I'm telling myself, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: stay positive. I don't want to get the toms out here.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that this is just part of the progress
Speaker 1: and to see where he's at right now, so hopefully
Speaker 1: it's going the way it's should look. The team wouldn't
Speaker 1: have him do those smaller, lighter throws he was throwing
Speaker 1: to Amari Cooper who's coming off his injury now, so
Speaker 1: they wouldn't have him do even those throws. If they
Speaker 1: were truly concerned that he had moved backwards in terms
Speaker 1: of his progress or was feeling worse. So that makes
Speaker 1: me feel a little more at ease of maybe this
Speaker 1: is just more let's make sure before we have him
Speaker 1: going full speed in practice, before we make a decision
Speaker 1: if he's going to play in that third preseason game,
Speaker 1: let's get the MRI again, make sure he's good to go,
Speaker 1: and that the rest and the cautionary protocols they've been
Speaker 1: taking have done their job firing the hole. I feel
Speaker 1: you're you know, my only concern was why wait till Monday?
Speaker 1: They're not an MRI machine in the last week, So
Speaker 1: that's why I start looking kind of what was why Monday? Well,
Speaker 1: why really want to get him back here where our
Speaker 1: maybe our facilities are different something I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't know, like Mrs MRI is correct, I mean, I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, last time I check, Jim Morrow will be here,
Speaker 1: Jim Murrow will be there, Brick will be there, Greg
Speaker 1: will be Like I don't, I don't know the difference
Speaker 1: between getting it done right in and there and having
Speaker 1: a do they want a few extra days to maybe
Speaker 1: like maybe they had a goal of like, you know,
Speaker 1: fourteen days whatever till we check the next MRI. I
Speaker 1: do you think it's something like that? That's the question
Speaker 1: that we all. I mean, this is this is the
Speaker 1: question that we're asked. And my thing is always, I
Speaker 1: don't go get MRI's cat scans, CT scans or whatever
Speaker 1: scan you want to go get unless there's something wrong.
Speaker 1: Now I'm not pushing the button and I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that something is wrong, and they can be doing a checkup.
Speaker 1: But that just goes to show that again we were
Speaker 1: misled because we were told it was fatigue, and then
Speaker 1: we hear that there's experts being consulted, other sports team
Speaker 1: physicians are being consulted, and went from a few days
Speaker 1: to wear like almost two weeks. He did a light
Speaker 1: throwing and we'll get more into the hard knocks thing
Speaker 1: of things. But when you heard him in hard knocks
Speaker 1: and when it was kind of like, well, where did
Speaker 1: it kind of come from? Right, and it was it
Speaker 1: was like the follow through, And so what he didn't
Speaker 1: practice was a bunch of light throws. There was nothing
Speaker 1: that had any zip behind it. It wasn't like he
Speaker 1: was throwing hard passes. So maybe you get to a
Speaker 1: point where I'm able to kind of loft some up
Speaker 1: and but what happens when you got to throw some
Speaker 1: zip behind it? Now, if they've done that off camera,
Speaker 1: we haven't heard any reports about it, But that's that's
Speaker 1: just my biggest thing is when you start adding MRIs
Speaker 1: and multiple MRIs to situations, it's it's it's cause for concern.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't care who spends it on how
Speaker 1: they spin it. There is cause for concern in the shoulder. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a little surprised that they're I mean, I'll be
Speaker 1: surprised if he plays in the third preseason game and I, um,
Speaker 1: they were talking about they want to get him out there,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, like before they said, oh this
Speaker 1: is just a fatigue injury and oh yeah, he'll play
Speaker 1: in the third preseason gain. I kind of wish they'd
Speaker 1: just be quite, you know, not not get our hopes up,
Speaker 1: keep it, you know, be honest about it in some way.
Speaker 1: You talk about the drama, you know, that's what we
Speaker 1: major in is the drama is making sure that everyone
Speaker 1: is on the edge to their seats and all of
Speaker 1: Cowboy Nation, all of the sports community, football, NFL everybody's
Speaker 1: on the edge of the seat trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what's going on with Dak's shoulder. But at this point
Speaker 1: we can and I played around with it about the
Speaker 1: anxiety of what it feels like to know going into
Speaker 1: a season that you may not have your number one quarterback.
Speaker 1: But we're getting into that point where he hasn't thrown
Speaker 1: with the ones in what thirteen days? We're at the
Speaker 1: thirteenth day of this. So if we continue this trend
Speaker 1: of him not throwing, the team is back here on
Speaker 1: Saturday practice this Monday, another preseason game approaching. He may
Speaker 1: not play in that game? Are we not? Are we
Speaker 1: sure that Dak is going to be ready for at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the season. It doesn't concern me about
Speaker 1: the fact that he's had thirteen fourteen days without throwing
Speaker 1: to his ones, because, first of all, the ones, you know,
Speaker 1: we're talking to Mary Cooper and Michael Gallup, Seedee lamb,
Speaker 1: even if you want to go down you know, Noah
Speaker 1: brown Sadric Wilson, the tight ends. These are the ones
Speaker 1: he's had all last year, with the exception of really
Speaker 1: sed years before that. And also given it wasn't a
Speaker 1: official way of doing things by any means. But in
Speaker 1: the offseason, Dak had all of these guys out to
Speaker 1: his house every day practicing and throwing out on the field.
Speaker 1: So doesn't concern me as much that he's gone maybe
Speaker 1: two weeks without throwing to his ones, because these are
Speaker 1: people he has that chemistry with already. But let me
Speaker 1: ask you this, Danny with the injury from last year,
Speaker 1: knowing that he has the ankle, knowing that he won't
Speaker 1: he wouldn't have if he doesn't play in the preseason game,
Speaker 1: does that worry you? I mean, even with the familiarity,
Speaker 1: is there arrust component to this that we're not looking
Speaker 1: at Because he's a quarterback you would like for your quarterback.
Speaker 1: The reason why you give him those reps in preseason
Speaker 1: it's to get him in rhythm. Do you worry about that?
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think I worry as much from the
Speaker 1: ankle standpoint. I think I think he's ready. I think
Speaker 1: it doesn't really seem like a lot of the reason
Speaker 1: they were I mean, of course you want to be
Speaker 1: cautious getting back into things, but it doesn't seem like
Speaker 1: they had any concern going into the season. We're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know he's really going to be ready on
Speaker 1: that ankle. That doesn't seem to have been a concern
Speaker 1: by any means. I'm just wondering, like, when is he
Speaker 1: going to get hit? It's that mental aspect that he's
Speaker 1: talked about of you need to get hit once realize
Speaker 1: you can get up or maybe do a run right like,
Speaker 1: because that's how he hurt his ankle. I think once
Speaker 1: you get those mentally and you realize I can still
Speaker 1: do this, then you're fine. I don't I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: worry about rust of like coming off the injury per
Speaker 1: se physically. The part that's concerning to me is if
Speaker 1: you said, you know what, he's not going to play
Speaker 1: any preseason games, Okay, cool, Then that tells me that
Speaker 1: he's going to get all of the practice reps right,
Speaker 1: all of the ones practice rep and he can kind
Speaker 1: of keep that rhythm and that kind of the mojo
Speaker 1: and everything. But now when you're taking away preseason games
Speaker 1: and you haven't practiced throwing the ball in a live
Speaker 1: setting as far as practice wise in two weeks, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're not going to start Monday and just
Speaker 1: throw him back into the fire. Well, he's firing, you know,
Speaker 1: forty fifty passes and the practice again, so now you
Speaker 1: limit that practice as well, So you're not getting games
Speaker 1: and you're limited to what you can do at practice
Speaker 1: while he while he's there. Mentally, there is a rust
Speaker 1: component when it comes to this, especially for a quarterback
Speaker 1: who isn't the most accurate passer that we have to
Speaker 1: begin to begin with it, Like he doesn't come with well,
Speaker 1: one of his qualities isn't when you talk about Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott is oh my god, he's super accurate with the football. Right,
Speaker 1: Like there you have to go down the list of
Speaker 1: things before you get to the accuracy part. When describing
Speaker 1: Dak Prescott the quarterback, Well, when you're taking away these
Speaker 1: reps and you you you're you're not playing in preseason
Speaker 1: games and you're not practicing weekend and week out, and
Speaker 1: then the season comes, well, those count. Those count. And
Speaker 1: we all know that when you go back and you
Speaker 1: watch a sixty five seventy play game from an offensive standpoint,
Speaker 1: and we've heard coach speaks said all the time, there
Speaker 1: are three or four or five players within that game
Speaker 1: that was kind of the determining factor of that game
Speaker 1: could have been a third down ball, could have been
Speaker 1: thrown behind, could have been a little bit too high,
Speaker 1: could have been a step you know, a step late,
Speaker 1: you know, tick late on releasing the ball. Whatever those
Speaker 1: things may be. Those are rush factors for any quarterback.
Speaker 1: And that goes from your Peyton Manning's to your Tom
Speaker 1: Brady's to your Aaron Rodgers. Those type of things you
Speaker 1: need to work through, and a lot of those guys use,
Speaker 1: if not the preseason games, every single rep in practice
Speaker 1: to get those things worked on. And so now when
Speaker 1: you're taking those away and you're tripping those away from him,
Speaker 1: and again I don't want to sound redundant to an
Speaker 1: already not specifically accurate passer, that to me is it's
Speaker 1: a cost. It's a cost for concern from me. That's
Speaker 1: it's not just his ability too. I agree he's got
Speaker 1: the mental part of it's going to be the tougher part.
Speaker 1: But like we talked about before, it's the cadence of
Speaker 1: the whole offense and you know, getting rhythm with the
Speaker 1: line and all that kind of stuff. And we had
Speaker 1: talked about before that this defense may not be in
Speaker 1: full sync until five or six games into the season,
Speaker 1: which means your offense better be in sync game one
Speaker 1: if you're going to pull out some wins and this
Speaker 1: is that going to be a problem. Yeah, sorry, quick question,
Speaker 1: just general question. Now, going off of that, I want
Speaker 1: to hear what you two think of, like in terms
Speaker 1: of the rust and Dak right and getting those reps,
Speaker 1: Like how much of that rust is not just on
Speaker 1: him but also working with this offensive line he didn't
Speaker 1: have last year, Like, it's how much of getting through
Speaker 1: that rust if you want the offense to be so
Speaker 1: great early on, like it's cohesive. Yeah, I would think that,
Speaker 1: like you had talked about it. I think like even
Speaker 1: if Dak weren't hurt, right, we would still be expecting
Speaker 1: rust because of the offensive line coming off injuries. No, Right,
Speaker 1: but you get you get a chance to work that
Speaker 1: in practice, right, You see what I'm saying. So when
Speaker 1: you take him off the practice field for a significant
Speaker 1: amount of time, he's not able to do those things.
Speaker 1: So the relationship with the receiver, it's the whole. It's everybody.
Speaker 1: It's it's everybody. It's it even gets down to Danny
Speaker 1: and Kurt and heck, but it gets down to even
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore. Because offensive and defensive play callumn is rhythm.
Speaker 1: It's like a shooter when they get in that pocket
Speaker 1: and that it's just flowing. And then that's how guys
Speaker 1: get into the game, right And so for Kellen, I
Speaker 1: need to be in my quarterback to start seeing some
Speaker 1: things in practice are saying, oh, I like this play,
Speaker 1: you know, check check, check, And I need to get
Speaker 1: into a rhythm and then a sync with my quarterback.
Speaker 1: And even though they have the relationship, I need us
Speaker 1: to get out there and work. I needed to get
Speaker 1: out there and for Doc to go, hey, listen on
Speaker 1: this one right here. I love to play. Hey, let's
Speaker 1: make this eighteen yards, you know, let's make this eighteen
Speaker 1: yards or hey, look, I know you had Zeke do this.
Speaker 1: Hey let's try this route. Because that's the back and
Speaker 1: forth conversation that goes on between veteran quarterback and offensive
Speaker 1: coordinator that they can have these discussions and then you
Speaker 1: can go back into the meeting room and sit down
Speaker 1: and go all right, we love these plays. Is there
Speaker 1: anything that you want to switch, tinker with chance, whatever
Speaker 1: it may be. But you don't have that when Dak
Speaker 1: is sitting over on the sideline and you're not having
Speaker 1: him in the practice because he needs to be in
Speaker 1: the driver's seat. I need to. I can stand over
Speaker 1: there and see it happen. But when I'm standing looking
Speaker 1: down the battle of the gun, now I can kind
Speaker 1: of see in the feel how I want things to
Speaker 1: work around me. Now, that's the one I love. The
Speaker 1: analogy about the shooters in the NBA and basketball guys
Speaker 1: like Kobe Bryant, they arrived to the stadium five hours
Speaker 1: before the game to get in rhythm. Dak in contrast
Speaker 1: to that, has been held out of OTAs. He's been
Speaker 1: held out of team going into camp right when the
Speaker 1: pads are put on. He can't participate in live actions.
Speaker 1: So to simulate that, I mean, I know the man
Speaker 1: has a football field at his house, so I know
Speaker 1: he's been throwing. But like you said, when you start
Speaker 1: saying names like Tom Brady, when you start talking about
Speaker 1: the upper echelo, the guys that have done it at
Speaker 1: a high level in this league for a long time
Speaker 1: and how they participated in preseason, we can't take him
Speaker 1: out of that because he hadn't reached that level yet.
Speaker 1: And so when you think, for me, it was last
Speaker 1: year versus the Cleveland Browns, when you saw Dak actually
Speaker 1: unveil his arm strength on a throw in the red
Speaker 1: zone to Amari Cooper in between two defenders. Now, that
Speaker 1: showed to me that he's been working working on that
Speaker 1: he did it. Here's the play right here, and his
Speaker 1: ability as a progression as a quarterback. He looks at
Speaker 1: his first read, which is something that he staring down
Speaker 1: receivers in his first couple of years may have been
Speaker 1: the problem. But that right there. Can I just tell
Speaker 1: you from a football guy from the receiver position, that
Speaker 1: didn't happen on Cleveland Brown Day. That happened in training camp.
Speaker 1: Go back, go back and watch the great Troy Atman
Speaker 1: and Michael Irvin. Right this this it's a post ride.
Speaker 1: It's one, two, three, four or five boom right his
Speaker 1: steps when Dad's back when when when when Amari Cooper
Speaker 1: goes in motion and Dad's sees the defense shifts, he
Speaker 1: knows exactly where the ball is going. He knows watch
Speaker 1: him as soon as he hits that back foot one two, three,
Speaker 1: the ball is gone and that window goes quick. He
Speaker 1: knows where he's going with the football. Amari knows where
Speaker 1: he's going with the football, and that type of energy
Speaker 1: that type of of of of knowing, of precision of
Speaker 1: everything that's from practice. Now, that very pass, if you're
Speaker 1: rusty and it's short, that's gone to the house picked off,
Speaker 1: you might be Amari might be going down to Bayless,
Speaker 1: Scott and White for an MRI on his it might
Speaker 1: be picked off. Right, there's some beat that throw right
Speaker 1: there is a throw that you can't make with rust.
Speaker 1: But that shows you when you're in that rhythm, when
Speaker 1: you know what's going on, when you have that rush
Speaker 1: knocked off, when that when you're in sync, right, that's
Speaker 1: when that type of plays happened, when that window and
Speaker 1: close it, I mean, because it happens quick. And I
Speaker 1: always think about Michael Irvin and Troy Aikman when you
Speaker 1: look at that bang eight post that that was one
Speaker 1: of the players where Mike had to know esp they
Speaker 1: had to Troy when that backfoot hit that ball was
Speaker 1: coming out on a rope. Mike knew it, Troy knew it,
Speaker 1: and he knew how many steps he had before that
Speaker 1: safety got there. He knew how to catch the ball,
Speaker 1: he knew everything. But that comes from the stuff that
Speaker 1: you do in practice. And when you hold him out
Speaker 1: and he's not getting it Forget the preseason games, right, fine?
Speaker 1: No preseason games. Yeah, you always hear about this great
Speaker 1: quick like Roger Star. He he didn't know, he didn't
Speaker 1: see Drew there, He just knew Drew would be there. Right,
Speaker 1: you need that practice, not a game about practice. Let's
Speaker 1: be optimist tech. Let's say the MRI Monday. Okay, he's great,
Speaker 1: good to go Tuesday. He is full go from here
Speaker 1: on out. Not playing in the last two preseason games.
Speaker 1: But if he gets those last few weeks of practice,
Speaker 1: do you feel that's enough to shake off the rust
Speaker 1: and make up for these two weeks through and a
Speaker 1: half weeks he'll miss. Heck no, because we opened the
Speaker 1: season on Thursday night in Tampa, and Tampa has an
Speaker 1: ax to grind with the NFL and you know it,
Speaker 1: really we are. We're coming into town like the pig
Speaker 1: with the apple in his mouth, you know, because it's
Speaker 1: the world champions. They want to set the NFL on notice.
Speaker 1: They won the Super Bowl, not because of Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: but because of that defense. If you did not know,
Speaker 1: you will find out on Thursday. And I don't want
Speaker 1: to see Dak in his first live action in that
Speaker 1: I would like to get some reps before that. He's
Speaker 1: not ready for this third preseason game. Would you put
Speaker 1: him out there with the starters for some work in
Speaker 1: the fourth one, which is traditionally give up game or whatever.
Speaker 1: If you tell me that he is all go, there's
Speaker 1: no restrictions for him at practice. I'm actually okay for
Speaker 1: him not playing any of the preseason games. I can't believe.
Speaker 1: I'm a preseason guy. I think preseason is necessary. But
Speaker 1: you just made the whole thesis based off of what
Speaker 1: you you just say. My thesis was, if you're not
Speaker 1: going to play in preseason games, I need you to
Speaker 1: be able to go and do everything in practice. Take
Speaker 1: all the reps you have to take, every single rep
Speaker 1: like that has to happen if you're If you're not
Speaker 1: going to play in preseason, there can't be any restrictions
Speaker 1: on you at practice. With Danny was saying getting the hit,
Speaker 1: that getting the real pressure, and you know they're coming
Speaker 1: after they're not holding up. My thing is is most
Speaker 1: quarterbacks don't take a live hit until the game anyway,
Speaker 1: right tom One of a lot of time you hit
Speaker 1: I'm brady in practice if you want to, oh no,
Speaker 1: you hit you know none of those guys go to
Speaker 1: preseasons and get hit. None of those guys do. So
Speaker 1: the hitting part, to me, I am so confident in
Speaker 1: that's mental ability. And simply because he's been through a lot.
Speaker 1: And the quote that he made it gives me chills
Speaker 1: when I when I hear him say it, when he
Speaker 1: says that adversity opened the door for opportunity, that that
Speaker 1: is so profound to me because when you are faced
Speaker 1: with that type of situation, whether it's be moms, the depression,
Speaker 1: or brother and all that kind of suff and you're
Speaker 1: able to bounce back from that. Oh, if you hit
Speaker 1: me on the football field, it's not really gonna rattle me.
Speaker 1: Like I've overcome a lot. I've overcome my mom losing
Speaker 1: my mom. I've overcome you know, the stuff that happened
Speaker 1: to me in the draft before the draft. I've overcome
Speaker 1: uh being the number or four guy when I first
Speaker 1: got to Dallas behind Jamil Showers and worked my way up.
Speaker 1: I've I've overcome the contract stuff hanging over my head
Speaker 1: for three or four seasons trying to get paid. I've
Speaker 1: overcome a pandemic, depression, my brother taking his life. I've
Speaker 1: overcome a lot of stuff mentally, that's that's mental toughness.
Speaker 1: So to go out there and have to take a
Speaker 1: hit to me just and I could be wrong, but
Speaker 1: that's a little that the man has already showed you.
Speaker 1: He ain't mentally fragile. He ain't no sucking when it
Speaker 1: comes to the mental toughness. So having to get hit
Speaker 1: for me with him, I'm thinking, that's that's small that's
Speaker 1: small change. The thing that's not small change is just
Speaker 1: the physical mechanics of you going out there and doing
Speaker 1: what you're supposed to do at the position. If you're
Speaker 1: supposed to be throwing the football, and this will be
Speaker 1: a past happy offense. I don't care what Bike McCarthy
Speaker 1: talks about. I want to make a balance. I want
Speaker 1: to make this no no, no, no no. You got
Speaker 1: weapons glory. You're gonna let that thing fly. That ball
Speaker 1: is gonna be passed around a lot to a lot
Speaker 1: of different cats. Well, I need the guy. I need
Speaker 1: my time cruise, I need my top Gun. I need him.
Speaker 1: I need him to be on his game because if
Speaker 1: he ain't, then we got a problem. Well you got
Speaker 1: a guy with a big old contract and then you
Speaker 1: talk about top Gun they're gonna be a lot of
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Speaker 1: address some haters because after Tuesday's airing of Hard Knocks,
Speaker 1: there's been some mixed reviews on Coach Mike here and
Speaker 1: a lot of people saying that he's hot, authentic, it
Speaker 1: seems like it's forced, he's out of touch with his
Speaker 1: guys and Jesse, I really wanted to tap into your
Speaker 1: NFL acumen to ask you, because you know, and you've
Speaker 1: been coached by some world class coaches. What gives with that?
Speaker 1: Do all coaches have a mantra or a stickling something
Speaker 1: that they want to stick on the team. But what
Speaker 1: did you think about coach Mike Mike's performance? Uh? In
Speaker 1: hard knowledge? Yeah, I watched it. I had no problem
Speaker 1: with it. Um, you have two people on you have
Speaker 1: this this Mike McCarthy fence right, and you have people
Speaker 1: on both sides like the MCCA Republican right. People like
Speaker 1: you want to be on their side, and either you
Speaker 1: like coach McCarthy or you hate him. And we all
Speaker 1: know from here on this show, I am a fan
Speaker 1: of what's freaky Mike. I called him freaky Mike. That's
Speaker 1: what I called him. I called him. I called him
Speaker 1: freaky Mike. And we we live in this day and
Speaker 1: time of social media, and everybody wants you to be
Speaker 1: this thing for the social for the TV whatever. Some
Speaker 1: dudes are just not built for that and it doesn't help,
Speaker 1: does not help when and I'm not this is not
Speaker 1: a shot at Jerry Jones, but it doesn't help when
Speaker 1: your owner is such a great dude in the media,
Speaker 1: because what happens is Jerry Jones sets the tone of
Speaker 1: what the cowboy persona should be in the media, and
Speaker 1: then you have the brand what it is in the media,
Speaker 1: and then if your coach doesn't match what your owner
Speaker 1: and the brand is calling for, then your fake. You're
Speaker 1: not authentic. You really can't. We can't feel you. We
Speaker 1: can't some dudes. And when you look at Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 1: he's not a new he ain't Kyle shanahan, right, He's
Speaker 1: not Sean McVay. He's not the new hip you know.
Speaker 1: I promise you. He's not texting emojis TikTok, he's not
Speaker 1: doing the acronyms. He's not that guy. He's a football
Speaker 1: dude for PA right. Oh, if you left it up
Speaker 1: to him, all he wants to do. Forget the cameras.
Speaker 1: I just want to coach, that's all I know how
Speaker 1: to do. The like the zoom stuff last year. I
Speaker 1: remember talking to the rookies last year and he jumped
Speaker 1: on the call with me before the rookies. I talked
Speaker 1: to the rookies. He hates that zoom stuff. He hates it.
Speaker 1: Now you gotta adapt because it's the new way of things.
Speaker 1: But like he hates that, like he hated coaching from
Speaker 1: a zoom because that's not that's not where he comes from.
Speaker 1: And so to me, he it was it was all
Speaker 1: good to me, man, And I don't care what you
Speaker 1: sound like or whatever. Can it relate on the football field,
Speaker 1: That's what That's what we should be judging him on,
Speaker 1: not what he looks like, not what he sounds like
Speaker 1: in front of the camera. The xes and those the ws,
Speaker 1: the ls, that's what his grade should be on. Danny,
Speaker 1: did he seem relatable to you? I think he seemed
Speaker 1: like himself. I guess it's hard for me to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: like he's relatable, Like I am not in that setting whatsoever,
Speaker 1: and like to be honest, like because we haven't really
Speaker 1: had a lot of time as media members to interact
Speaker 1: with him in person, like I don't feel like I
Speaker 1: know him like well enough to I guess decide that.
Speaker 1: But I didn't have a problem with his quote unquote performance.
Speaker 1: I thought he was himself and going off Jesse's point,
Speaker 1: like in the opening pressor in Oxnard, like someone asked
Speaker 1: him what his initial reaction was when Jerry Jones told
Speaker 1: him that Hard Knocks was going to be out of
Speaker 1: camp and he's like, well, I almost drove my car
Speaker 1: off the road, and like, like, I agree, I don't
Speaker 1: think this is where he feels most comfortable or most natural.
Speaker 1: So I'm sure that there's still a wall, you know,
Speaker 1: having his guard up with all these cameras. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure the more episodes we see, like we'll see him
Speaker 1: kind of loosen up. But that's also not his concern.
Speaker 1: He's not trying to be the star or be goofy
Speaker 1: or have a personality or have you know, a gift
Speaker 1: or something go viral from it. Like, he's just trying
Speaker 1: to focus on football. And again, it doesn't matter if
Speaker 1: you thought the mojo stuff was cheesy or what you think,
Speaker 1: like if it works for the player who cares like
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick is not the most relatable dude, Like who
Speaker 1: relates to Bill Belichick? Honestly? Like super Bowl? Who who
Speaker 1: like when he gets in front of the camera, who
Speaker 1: relates to b Belicheck? And the thing that I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people fans and and there is an
Speaker 1: adjustment that has to be made when you become the
Speaker 1: coach of this football team. It is unlike any other
Speaker 1: football team that you I don't care if it's the Patriots,
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's the Bucks, I don't care
Speaker 1: who it is. The level of media attention that this
Speaker 1: particular team gets, it's greater than any other football team
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. And it takes a level
Speaker 1: of adjustment when you spent ten twelve years in Green
Speaker 1: Bay where we ain't really checking for green Bay like
Speaker 1: that on the four letter network. That ain't that? Ain't
Speaker 1: it in an a block? Right? The media is not
Speaker 1: crowding around lambou Field and interview right their owners in
Speaker 1: green Bay, the community of owners didn't have radio shows
Speaker 1: in Prescott. There is an adjustment when you have to
Speaker 1: become the head coach of this football team. But I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people again we are we're on
Speaker 1: touch of high pedestal. Everyone gets a chance to take
Speaker 1: a shot because tell me, who do you re like
Speaker 1: to Sean Payton? Do you like de Sean? Do you
Speaker 1: really to Bill Belichick? Andy Reid, like we don't we
Speaker 1: don't hear about this about with anyone else. Yeah, there
Speaker 1: he was in a no win situation. Somebody's gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: somebody out there not gonna think, you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: think he's an idiot or not relating to the players
Speaker 1: or whatever. But I think he's fine with the I mean,
Speaker 1: like he said, he's a coach. He doesn't want to
Speaker 1: get up there in grandst the cameras and all that,
Speaker 1: and Danny, I really subscribed to your theory. Who cares
Speaker 1: what everybody else thinks? Because if the if the team
Speaker 1: is out there and then the red zone and Gostea
Speaker 1: hauling out Mojo, then it works. He's gotten this message
Speaker 1: through to his team. When I talk about relatable, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about other hard before from Sean McVay and all
Speaker 1: the other guys that have been on it. They didn't
Speaker 1: get the blaring criticism that you see Mike McCarthy have.
Speaker 1: And you're right, you're gonna be polarized because of that.
Speaker 1: It's gonna it's gonna happen regardless. But I think just
Speaker 1: from seeing Mike McCarthy and just I watched something and
Speaker 1: I woke up the next day and everyone had something
Speaker 1: negative to say about something that I thought was a
Speaker 1: good thing. I actually got an opportunity to see his
Speaker 1: temperament and you're right when you're you have the tem
Speaker 1: temperament that Mike does. But also with the just a
Speaker 1: persona of Jerry Jones, how do you how do you
Speaker 1: match that? Andy? When you had a live camera microphones
Speaker 1: in on that, it looks like maybe there's there, well,
Speaker 1: there isn't a power struggle. But when he's asking Jerry
Speaker 1: questions about our Steven questions about how many reps do
Speaker 1: I give Zeke, the perception starts to fly that do
Speaker 1: you control this? Are you the head coach or what
Speaker 1: are you? And so so many negative things have come
Speaker 1: down through that. I mean, do you see that as
Speaker 1: something that may be a negative on him? Again, when
Speaker 1: you're the head coach of this football team, you are
Speaker 1: a lot of times in a no win situation. Everybody
Speaker 1: has an opinion with everybody now has Twitter and Instagram
Speaker 1: and TikTok to voice their opinion and they can go
Speaker 1: on Twitch and all these different things. And so for me,
Speaker 1: it doesn't because at the end of the day, I
Speaker 1: can promise you this, I don't care who the head
Speaker 1: coach is unless that head coach is the gem as well.
Speaker 1: When it comes down to this fifteen million running back,
Speaker 1: when it comes down to the forty million dollars quarterback,
Speaker 1: When it comes down to any the ninety million dollar
Speaker 1: defensive end, anything that has a significant cost, you consult
Speaker 1: the people above you. When it comes down to Jesse Holley,
Speaker 1: you do whatever the hell you want to me. I'm cheap.
Speaker 1: Nobody consults about nobody about Jesse. Jesse. Somebody consult about you.
Speaker 1: I got cut. Coaches didn't even know. I was called
Speaker 1: to say thank you. They say, what happened? I just
Speaker 1: got cut. It's like, wait, what, I didn't even know?
Speaker 1: They didn't consult that. When when you deal with Zeke,
Speaker 1: when you deal with Dak, when you deal with Tank,
Speaker 1: when you deal with anybody who has a significant role,
Speaker 1: i e. The checks are a little bit fatter, you consult. Again,
Speaker 1: you just most teams, most teams. The Rooneys aren't down
Speaker 1: on the sideline of practice. Earth says, not down on
Speaker 1: the You don't know who the owners and GM's are.
Speaker 1: It just so happens for this football team. You know
Speaker 1: exactly who the owner is. He is very visible, he's
Speaker 1: hands on, and so these type of interactions happened. And
Speaker 1: it doesn't help that the cameras are there. You know,
Speaker 1: the owners gonna be there when you Old Jerry is
Speaker 1: going to be there when the cameras are there. He
Speaker 1: ain't missing a moment to sell the brand. It doesn't
Speaker 1: happen anywhere else but in Dallas for the Cowboys. So
Speaker 1: when he says, hey, I think about Donna Na you
Speaker 1: damn right, because ze sixteen million dollars a year. Let's
Speaker 1: see you better, you better ask that question that Hey, hey, hey,
Speaker 1: hey Jerry, listen, da shouldn't it You're damn right. I
Speaker 1: just gave him a bazillion dollars. You're gonna check. You're
Speaker 1: going to check with the dude. What did you think about? Um?
Speaker 1: Loot of the eye rolls? And criticism came with the
Speaker 1: mojo moment thing and the Austin Austin powers thing. But
Speaker 1: as a player, what did you think? I mean to me,
Speaker 1: I think that creates although it's off the wall, maybe
Speaker 1: it creates competition, It creates something different kind of laughs,
Speaker 1: Like I get like, who cares if it? If it works,
Speaker 1: and you know that's his way to, you know, let
Speaker 1: them know, Hey, this this is what we're working on
Speaker 1: a practice. This is your mojo moment, Like if that's
Speaker 1: if that's the thing that works for him and for
Speaker 1: this team. Then like, who am I to judge? Why
Speaker 1: do I care? Like every coach has a bit, nobody
Speaker 1: can judge that if we were, if we were to
Speaker 1: see the behind the scenes, I feel like of what
Speaker 1: some of these coaches like, how creative and like while
Speaker 1: the videos they create to make a point are like
Speaker 1: people would not be so concerned with an Austin Powers club.
Speaker 1: But the thing is is that a lot of people
Speaker 1: who are saying these things never been in a training camp.
Speaker 1: And I'm not throwing the other play football. You didn't think,
Speaker 1: but you don't understand how draining on any level day out.
Speaker 1: I'm away from my family, I'm stuck in these hotels
Speaker 1: practices ten hours a day. So coaches try to find
Speaker 1: any little thing that can just take the juices up
Speaker 1: another level, even if it's for a moment in time.
Speaker 1: You've heard We've heard Nate say, We've heard Michael Lurvin saying,
Speaker 1: coach Jimmy Dalha tell Michael Irvin start a fight today.
Speaker 1: The energy's down, like start some ish today. Now, that
Speaker 1: might not be the mojo that you're looking for the
Speaker 1: Austin Powers, but because the dog days of training camp
Speaker 1: gets on you. You have to find those things that,
Speaker 1: even if it's for a moment, you can hope changes
Speaker 1: the momentum of a practice. And whether that's Michael Ever
Speaker 1: going out there starting to fight with Darren what's in
Speaker 1: forty yards down the field and get guys riled up
Speaker 1: and now you're like, or that's des Brian saying you
Speaker 1: can't guard me, you can't guard me. It's those things
Speaker 1: in practice that take it to the next level. We're
Speaker 1: like talking to me, let's go, and now everybody's height.
Speaker 1: That's when you get a pretty damn good practice. So
Speaker 1: when you have these mojo things, all coaches have them.
Speaker 1: They trying to find ways to up the energy and
Speaker 1: practice because you can tell when you're sit in that
Speaker 1: meeting room and you look at that dude, like do
Speaker 1: you look at your players faces and they're like, but
Speaker 1: I ain't been home in twenty days. You know, I
Speaker 1: told you them camp, I's getting real ladies in the house.
Speaker 1: I won't go there, but I'm just you have to
Speaker 1: find ways to get the morale of your players up.
Speaker 1: Competition does that. There's no other greater thing that gets
Speaker 1: the blood flow to real dogs to ain't talking about
Speaker 1: the leash puppies. I'm talking about real dogs. Then when
Speaker 1: you get a chance to go out there and and
Speaker 1: and Mono, we Mono compete. Well, speaking of real dogs,
Speaker 1: I think we got a real dog on the phone.
Speaker 1: We got a real lack cat. We got a real
Speaker 1: dog on the phone. And it never gets old to
Speaker 1: speak to the great Nate new three times Super Bowl champ, Nate,
Speaker 1: what's going on, man? I'm doing all right, Jesse. I
Speaker 1: love you too. What's up, my favorite lap cat? I
Speaker 1: love your back brother. Well, y'all have some great discussions, man,
Speaker 1: some great discussions man on on this situation man, of
Speaker 1: competition and guys being ready to play, and how the
Speaker 1: you know how the media is attacking coach. You know
Speaker 1: how he's trying to run his team. Man, It's just
Speaker 1: amazing how national media gets out there. But I'm in
Speaker 1: and Nate, you've been coached by some of the well
Speaker 1: the great Hall of Fame coach Jimmy Johnson, and your
Speaker 1: experience with him, Dude, this is pretty much in line
Speaker 1: with most great coaches. They have monstrous things that they
Speaker 1: live by, culture that they're trying to instill to their team. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jimmy Jimmy was a master. We had some games where
Speaker 1: he wouldn't even say nothing. He was just like, hey,
Speaker 1: let's go. He have games where he would say a
Speaker 1: lot depending on how practices went that week, how things
Speaker 1: have been for when he was putting things in place,
Speaker 1: he didn't say much of nothing. He just told what
Speaker 1: was expected. He allowed his coaches to set the temple
Speaker 1: in the pace, and if things it wasn't going the
Speaker 1: way he thought they should go, he a lot of
Speaker 1: times he would call him meeting. He will stop practicing,
Speaker 1: talk to his coaches and tell him the tempo is
Speaker 1: not right, or what are y'all doing? Are y'all not prepared?
Speaker 1: Because my players are gonna take y'all lead. But each
Speaker 1: coach is told different. Seaference was totally different than what
Speaker 1: Jimmy was. I was a player run team. I was
Speaker 1: talking to Bucky Brooks. The Bills were totally different than
Speaker 1: everybody because they were a player round team. And so
Speaker 1: a lot of times you do have to depend on
Speaker 1: the competition that's there, like Jesse said, but a lot
Speaker 1: of times it's about the temple that your coach said
Speaker 1: and the things that he's trying to put in place
Speaker 1: to get guys going. And coach McCarthy was on a
Speaker 1: lot of strain last year coming into a new organization
Speaker 1: where things are ran different hands on the owner that
Speaker 1: he had to deal with and matriculate through. So but
Speaker 1: now he's got things in place if he want to
Speaker 1: mo joe moment and these guys respond to it, which
Speaker 1: they have in practice when that comes on, they have
Speaker 1: responded to it defensively, offensively, you know, and so let
Speaker 1: this give Let's give this man opportunity man And a
Speaker 1: lot of times that's why I don't listen to the
Speaker 1: national media on a lot of things that we can
Speaker 1: see and have insight on ourselves as local as local personalities.
Speaker 1: Hey Ny, when you started, Landry was here and he
Speaker 1: was always seen as such a reserved coach, at least
Speaker 1: on the sidelines. Did he have this kind of motivation
Speaker 1: and the same type of things going on in practice?
Speaker 1: Coach coach Landry was so well established by the time
Speaker 1: I got the occurred to he just gave it a look.
Speaker 1: He had different looks. He didn't say much if he
Speaker 1: if you know, he didn't say much. I mean his
Speaker 1: coaches coached. He had different looks. He knew everything was
Speaker 1: going on. You talking about hands on man, this he
Speaker 1: ran out. He was the offensive coordinator, He was a
Speaker 1: divasive coordinator, and he was halfway at the special team's coordinator.
Speaker 1: Not nothing moved without his say soul and his authority
Speaker 1: and his bird's eye view. I mean, he was hands
Speaker 1: on and so. But he didn't give a lot of speeches.
Speaker 1: He believed that if you prepare the right way in
Speaker 1: practice during the week, and you have the right guys
Speaker 1: as well the great coaches have. It's the right guys
Speaker 1: at the right places making the right plays, then you
Speaker 1: the mojo moments gonna come and they're gonna be handled
Speaker 1: with authority. And coach Andrew was the ultimate leader man.
Speaker 1: He wasn't gonna say much, but he always knew what
Speaker 1: was going on, and he had his hands on every situation,
Speaker 1: even things where guys had rucords that was coming out. Hey,
Speaker 1: this guy got a chance to He wouldn't say nothing
Speaker 1: the whole week. But if he see where you needed
Speaker 1: a pass or something like that, he wouldn't say nothing.
Speaker 1: He'll try to get you that pass. If he saw
Speaker 1: where he was a yard away from something, he wouldn't
Speaker 1: say nothing. He was always aware and so he had
Speaker 1: his hands on everything. Nate, you talked about how you've
Speaker 1: seen these mojo moments elevate the players on offense and defense.
Speaker 1: But I'm curious how you've seen them affect the coaching
Speaker 1: staff themselves and how they've been elevated by this this
Speaker 1: bit as well. These guys never stopped moving in practice.
Speaker 1: These guys always got situation. It's always a different situation
Speaker 1: than a new situation that's coming up in this and
Speaker 1: and these guys are so focused on making sure these
Speaker 1: situations and these things are handling in the correct way
Speaker 1: to Uh, you don't have to worry about much. Uh.
Speaker 1: They just hype, man. They like most coaches are, whereas
Speaker 1: your coach maybe just standing there or sitting there or
Speaker 1: not doing anything. Uh, these coaches are moving. Coach Adams
Speaker 1: are wide receiver coach, Coach Fillman with his guys off
Speaker 1: his line, coach coach George Edwards, his guys with the linebackers.
Speaker 1: They're doing their things, man, And they're living in these moments,
Speaker 1: and they're they're holding out formations, they are holding out
Speaker 1: what to look for, trying to get these players to
Speaker 1: start communicating and talking to one another and being excited
Speaker 1: about this team that's called football that we get paid
Speaker 1: for to do a child's game. We got the great
Speaker 1: three times Super Bowl champion Nate Newton, and God knows
Speaker 1: where he's at, but we always appreciate it. I'm in
Speaker 1: front of a I'm in from a L Chicos or
Speaker 1: suff or L Chicos, or my friends are eating while
Speaker 1: my truck is getting fixed. But we always think, you
Speaker 1: mojo my truck, Jess. But it's okay. We always appreciate
Speaker 1: the maximum effort that Nate is gonna give us. He's
Speaker 1: gonna give us his insight, whether he had the car
Speaker 1: dealership El Chicos, el diablows what I was in Mexico
Speaker 1: just two days ago. I was in Mexico two days ago.
Speaker 1: Were he there from more than traffic? Man? Were there
Speaker 1: from from three o'clock? Yeah, I got at four o'clock.
Speaker 1: I pulled up in line and I got through at
Speaker 1: eight thirty. But it was beautiful. The people was out there,
Speaker 1: the Hispanic UH nation was out there UH selling their things.
Speaker 1: And you know, I gave out a few extra dollars.
Speaker 1: I thought about Jesse on the porch, So I gave
Speaker 1: to the people stuff, you know, because I felt so
Speaker 1: bad for jests like I'm gonna give some money to
Speaker 1: the folks. Man, Now, whatever you want to fit you
Speaker 1: want to make you feel, keep the money and give
Speaker 1: it to me if you want to make me feel
Speaker 1: real good to me. But Nate Man on a serious
Speaker 1: On a serious note, I lost. We got Dak in
Speaker 1: a in an interview the other day, talked about the
Speaker 1: MRI that he'll be receiving on Monday. Just tell me
Speaker 1: where you're at with Dak, his lack of practice, and
Speaker 1: better question is, what does Dak need to do to
Speaker 1: make you feel confident and comfortable that he's ready to
Speaker 1: go Thursday night to open up the season? Practice? Practice.
Speaker 1: I don't need your playing in games. I need for
Speaker 1: you to practice. And and don't don't lead us Cowboy
Speaker 1: Nation because y'all know I'm one hundred percent through and
Speaker 1: through cowboy fan. Don't continue to weekend and week out
Speaker 1: if there's something wrong, share with the Cowboy Nation so
Speaker 1: we can know that we got to get somebody that
Speaker 1: can really compete against Gilbert. Share it with us, don't
Speaker 1: don't let the season run up on us and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, well he's still on the pitch count
Speaker 1: now it ain't no more pitch counts. We need for
Speaker 1: things to be open and ready and to go when
Speaker 1: the season open. Practice, practice, practice, I don't care number
Speaker 1: what that kid said when he played for basketball. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about football practice, essential, essential. I'm serious, y'all know
Speaker 1: I'm not lying. But what we're talking talking about, we're
Speaker 1: talking about practice with no limitations. Right Like he needs
Speaker 1: all those first team reps. He has to be able
Speaker 1: to throw in all those periods. He can't be like
Speaker 1: you said, on a pitch count, he can't be you know,
Speaker 1: missing the throne periods or mission you know, different things,
Speaker 1: but you know, practice with unabated go out there and
Speaker 1: go full go every single day. Thank you, I thank you.
Speaker 1: And quicker he does that, the better off our receivers
Speaker 1: are gonna be, the better off our team gonna be.
Speaker 1: And if not, if something is wrong, we we will
Speaker 1: know and now we will know how to address that,
Speaker 1: and they know how to address it. But we as
Speaker 1: reporters and we as fans don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1: Because as long as you go saying, oh it's this
Speaker 1: is that now we're getting another MRI, it's like okay,
Speaker 1: once again the Cowboys have not told us the truth
Speaker 1: once again the Cowboys and left me jest in the
Speaker 1: nation on the porch the Great Nate from Ports Unknown. Nate,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming joining the show and
Speaker 1: always bringing a lighter move to everything we got going
Speaker 1: on here. Man. We will see you back in the
Speaker 1: studio next week, Man, Monday Man, and you know I
Speaker 1: should do a show with you guys, uh live and
Speaker 1: and taching the color baby before this overwhere. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna have let the Monday Show. Y'all need to come
Speaker 1: work with the best you've seen the rest that man.
Speaker 1: All right, Nate Man gona be good. Always a pleasure
Speaker 1: to have Nate on it. What we're gonna do, We're
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Speaker 1: final segment on hanging with the boys. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: make the most up. Maybe I'm gonna make the most
Speaker 1: you No, no, I'm like you, man, when you know
Speaker 1: they don't consult at all. And here with my Here
Speaker 1: with the Gang, Kurt Daniels and what the heck vote
Speaker 1: Danny's erect and political career. Yeah, it was, it was.
Speaker 1: What wasn't short lived, it was for a while. Just
Speaker 1: saying in the break we're talking about for everyone listening,
Speaker 1: I've been having middle school flashbacks, which you can imagine
Speaker 1: how terrible that is for the last couple of weeks,
Speaker 1: because hearing what the heck over and over again reminded
Speaker 1: me that in middle school, my older sister and I
Speaker 1: both use the same slogan when running for student counsel,
Speaker 1: and the slogan was what the heck votes I rack.
Speaker 1: But it worked because we both made it. But it's
Speaker 1: just like, I keep hearing what the heck and it's like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, look, Danny, if there's a heck involved,
Speaker 1: it's good. Don't even worry about it's it's a good thing, Danny.
Speaker 1: But guys, I said my teas before the break that
Speaker 1: we were gonna put it on our general manager hats
Speaker 1: all right, and I'm gonna hold you guys's feet to
Speaker 1: the fire because there's not gonna be any middle of
Speaker 1: the road stuff here right now, because Stephen Jones and
Speaker 1: Will McClay have a really tough job at it's pretty
Speaker 1: much getting this roster filed down. You got a lot
Speaker 1: of players. There might be a few players that may
Speaker 1: not go through waivers that people are waiting to cherry
Speaker 1: pick off of your roster. So I ask, and ask,
Speaker 1: Kurt Daniels is looking through the roster with no one
Speaker 1: did their homework. Here in the room, I'm looking at
Speaker 1: blank faces aside from Jesse. So I'll Jesse, I'll start
Speaker 1: with you. Okay, don't tell me I didn't do my homework.
Speaker 1: We love Spicy with the boy. We can get excuse
Speaker 1: him whatever, we can get Flasco, what the little red
Speaker 1: We want the boys? That is so Kurt, But your
Speaker 1: general manager had on And the reason I started thinking
Speaker 1: about this is because the last episode I said something
Speaker 1: about core players, and you questioned me about the players
Speaker 1: that I thought were in the core group. So I
Speaker 1: said wait a minute, this this question is is uh,
Speaker 1: this is a big question. I'm sure Kurt Daniels has
Speaker 1: a few names. Are a name that he liked to
Speaker 1: put on that list, Daniels, Let's go Spice. I don't
Speaker 1: know if I'm ready to cut him because I haven't
Speaker 1: seen him enough play enough or whatever. But one guy
Speaker 1: I wonder if he's now on the bubble where going
Speaker 1: into camp he thought he was pretty safe. Would it
Speaker 1: be Cedric Wilson. Brown's having a good camp and they're saying, uh,
Speaker 1: the other league turner League Turner saying he's having a
Speaker 1: good camp. Um, Cedric also makes more than these guys.
Speaker 1: There's no cap it if he gets cut. I mean, Jesse,
Speaker 1: a guy just what you get wan? He did well? Sorry,
Speaker 1: I didn't mean that. You in spicy. Is no apologize
Speaker 1: when you locked in the spicy. But I you know,
Speaker 1: is this a guy that should be looking over his shoulder? Now?
Speaker 1: Maybe you have a little concern he's going to be
Speaker 1: on this team? Sedric? All right, I don't like that
Speaker 1: these are going and riding by the way, come on there,
Speaker 1: they're going to be forever. I'll admit I did not
Speaker 1: to my homework, so I'm looking. Okay, yes you will, Jess.
Speaker 1: So from WHOA you called me? My mom calls me Jess, Jesse,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, it's fine, said, I felt like
Speaker 1: you were my parents. Like, um, that just I'm like,
Speaker 1: what the heck? Voters are right, you just do a
Speaker 1: mom son moment um. The biggest thing for me is
Speaker 1: when you start looking at numbers. Okay, and there's always
Speaker 1: and I said this before receiver, offensive linemen dbs. The
Speaker 1: place that we have to start looking for numbers is safety. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we have to start looking at I would not be shocked.
Speaker 1: This is if they keep seven receivers, would not be shocked.
Speaker 1: I would not be shocked one bit if they kept
Speaker 1: seven receivers, would not be shocked. If they only kept
Speaker 1: two tight ends, hopefully passing. You brought in sprinkles in
Speaker 1: the off season as a free agent signee. McKinnon might go, hum, well,
Speaker 1: I'm saying, maybe we can try to stash them on
Speaker 1: the practice squad. You know, get him. This is, but
Speaker 1: look at the safety position because it's going to heck,
Speaker 1: it's hard to let good defensive backs go. And you're
Speaker 1: talking about a football team who historically has not given
Speaker 1: much value to the safety position. We all, oh my god,
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Yes, so all of a sudden, they're
Speaker 1: not gonna start like, you know, have this kind of
Speaker 1: one eight turn. And now I'm saying that they're holding
Speaker 1: all these safeties because that dB position is so critical.
Speaker 1: And when you start looking at matchups, when you start
Speaker 1: looking who you have to play throughout the year, what
Speaker 1: does your division look like? What is your path through
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. I'm gonna I'm gonna have to hope
Speaker 1: and pray that I get a guy like Malie Hooker
Speaker 1: to come along and actually play to that high draft
Speaker 1: pick billing that he before, you know, pre injury, and
Speaker 1: then I have to start finding other pieces to kind
Speaker 1: of go with him. Maybe it's a because he maybe
Speaker 1: it's someone else, but I just can't see me letting dbs.
Speaker 1: Just say what you want about Anthony Brown, He's a
Speaker 1: serviceable dB seventeen game season. Say what you want about
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis service a bow d like boss Man. Fact
Speaker 1: might not start this year, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Like it's a second round draft pick. Boss Man might
Speaker 1: not start this year. That says a lot about what
Speaker 1: you have going on. And you know, you're gonna have
Speaker 1: digs on one side and then now is it Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown the other side? Is it? Is it? Is it?
Speaker 1: Boss Man? Is it whoever? Who's gonna play in the slot? Again?
Speaker 1: Those type you need the numbers in the room, injury purposes,
Speaker 1: personnel reasons you need. So I see other positions maybe
Speaker 1: taking a hit, tight end only carrying two. Um, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to eventually do something with this offensive line
Speaker 1: of depth. They're not we don't have good depth there.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, what nobody says? We ain't got good depth there?
Speaker 1: So offensively I can I can see them trying to
Speaker 1: keep seven Simmy, for Hoku might be on his way out.
Speaker 1: They might not be able to keep him. So there's
Speaker 1: a lot of things. It might not work. It's a
Speaker 1: good problem to have. It's a problem, nonetheless, But for me,
Speaker 1: look at that safety position tight end position as a
Speaker 1: position that may see shorter numbers, smaller numbers than you
Speaker 1: normally would to keep other numbers at a surplus. So Jesse,
Speaker 1: you should go to law school and have ESQ at
Speaker 1: the end of your name, because you still haven't answered
Speaker 1: a question. What's your question? Who's the guy that we're
Speaker 1: who's the player. You give me a name, I'm like
Speaker 1: you just come on, you want one name. I want names.
Speaker 1: If you want to just one name or names or
Speaker 1: give me something. I'm seeing guys like Simmy May you
Speaker 1: may see cut. I'm seeing guys like you know, Sprinkle, Uh,
Speaker 1: you may see uh, let go um, Arian Thompson, maybe
Speaker 1: Darren Thompson. You may see guys like that, let go um. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So just to give you a couple of names, you
Speaker 1: might you may see guys like that. Be let go
Speaker 1: for because you might say Cedric Wilson, but he's a
Speaker 1: veteran guy who plays special teams, does other stuff like that.
Speaker 1: And again, Simmy has done nothing in training camp that
Speaker 1: has impressed us besides being big. That's it. Hadn't made
Speaker 1: no plays. We don't really hear about him on special teams.
Speaker 1: And when you're going into this year, Bones Foster is
Speaker 1: gonna say, if I have to choose a guy, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna take the guy who I got a little bit
Speaker 1: more experienced with than than the rookie. Maybe we can
Speaker 1: pass them through. So I'm saying those names, Danny, just
Speaker 1: because we haven't talked about this position group yet. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the linebackers, and just because he was
Speaker 1: drafted with the different coaching staff, he's been her we
Speaker 1: haven't seen a lot of him. I don't know that
Speaker 1: Luke Gifford has a long future here. Luke I liked him,
Speaker 1: he just hasn't had the experience. He hasn't right like
Speaker 1: if they liked jibro Cox Moore, I just I don't.
Speaker 1: He might, he might get the act and my lawyer bag,
Speaker 1: you're there, Um, Football's fluid. Things change, injuries happen. Don't
Speaker 1: hold us to this. Come on, don't come tweet me
Speaker 1: later on. I said, well, you shop on August whatever,
Speaker 1: So I know you're writing down, yes, but football is
Speaker 1: very fluid and it changes often day to day, by
Speaker 1: the way, So I'm just saying, when you write these
Speaker 1: names down, don't hold me to that. Come on, I
Speaker 1: know I gave you the names. Oh, I'm just going
Speaker 1: to go out. I gonna joke into something else, my
Speaker 1: lawyer back defendant, No, no, no, I I guys have me.
Speaker 1: I was all ears right, there were from me stole
Speaker 1: and the one name that I came up with, and
Speaker 1: I think there's so much being asked of him is
Speaker 1: tied and Secki that swing tackle position it thirty six
Speaker 1: years old, hadn't had the greatest camp from what I'm
Speaker 1: hearing um, And we know how badly we need a
Speaker 1: swing tackle and I think we've all talked about it.
Speaker 1: That person may not be on our roster right now.
Speaker 1: We're get scouring the earth and cherry picking off of
Speaker 1: other rosters as well for that swing tackle position. So
Speaker 1: Tied and Secki would be the person that I'm practiced yesterday,
Speaker 1: didn't he So again things snowballing in that direction. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying, there's a players that we may want to watch,
Speaker 1: but guys getting to the game that's gonna be tomorrow. Uh.
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys taking on the Arizona Cardinals. Obviously for us
Speaker 1: in the second preseason game, we didn't want to make
Speaker 1: a lot of the first preseason game. Jesse was like,
Speaker 1: hey man, let's not have a lot of expectation there.
Speaker 1: But now going to the second preseason game, Jesse players
Speaker 1: to watch matchups, things to expect. The guy who wanted
Speaker 1: more reps. And then in the Hall of Fame game,
Speaker 1: Michael Parsons, we want to see more of him. I
Speaker 1: want to see I want to see uh that knowledge.
Speaker 1: There was something that was said on hard knocks and
Speaker 1: it might have just went patched people's head, but it
Speaker 1: caught my ear and it rang loud to me. Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons come to the sideline and he's like, man, I
Speaker 1: just want to make plays, right, And he's like, I'm
Speaker 1: all over the place, and Laton Vandera says, yeah, you
Speaker 1: want to make every play. That's not a great thing
Speaker 1: because what happens is that that eagerness get you out
Speaker 1: of position. And it was kind of like Lata was like, listening, homie,
Speaker 1: we want you to make plays, but when you start,
Speaker 1: when you sometimes you got to go on the block
Speaker 1: and let me make the play. Yeah, and you've done
Speaker 1: your job. Don't let the rookie eager and emotions because
Speaker 1: you needn't play football in eighteen months had you jumping gaps,
Speaker 1: because what's gonna end up happening is the eye this
Speaker 1: God will be like, oh, look at this little, happy
Speaker 1: feeling young lion back with all the speed we got
Speaker 1: young lyon and you gonna think it's going this way
Speaker 1: and next thing you know you when you turn around,
Speaker 1: that guard going to be coming back around him. Why
Speaker 1: and the bogging before the yards down the field that
Speaker 1: it rang so loud to me because Layton said it
Speaker 1: was like I remember that. I remember when I was
Speaker 1: that young, wanted to run around, and I was just like, man,
Speaker 1: I hope people caught that nugget. Because while we're saying
Speaker 1: he has speed, he had this and this and this.
Speaker 1: Understand that this league watches everything and if they see
Speaker 1: you start doing some stuff, they're like, oh, like like
Speaker 1: tempo will go back and listen. Then oh god, no,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, you know Tom Brady's watching that. You
Speaker 1: know he's watching that, and it doesn't take much. It
Speaker 1: takes one step out of your lane. It takes one
Speaker 1: moment of hesitate and you're blocked and the ball's gone
Speaker 1: and it's a crease like that is the fine night.
Speaker 1: And so when I heard, I was like, oh, I said,
Speaker 1: look at Hayton given, what's you call it? Sage? Sage advice?
Speaker 1: That right, I hope people caught that. So when you
Speaker 1: watch a guy like Michael Parsons, who's just the young lion,
Speaker 1: he's symbol, He's just like I want to I want
Speaker 1: to go to the dark place that my dad told
Speaker 1: me not to go to. Because I'm ready, r don't
Speaker 1: get yourself. We got a lion king reference on the show,
Speaker 1: get Yourself out of position. Yeah, so I want to
Speaker 1: see more of that. I want to see more of
Speaker 1: the evolution there. And then of course low hanging fruit.
Speaker 1: What does these quarterbacks gold? You're back to stealing things
Speaker 1: from people? Yea, there is so so Danny's just trying
Speaker 1: to expound on that. So're you just going to say quarterbacks, Like,
Speaker 1: let's see a little bit more of what we have
Speaker 1: in Gilbert. Now that we've got one preseason game down,
Speaker 1: maybe we'll have a little um more consistency and some
Speaker 1: better you know how up with the offensive line there,
Speaker 1: So let's see are the Cowboys looking for a third
Speaker 1: quarterback or are they looking for a number two? Let
Speaker 1: let's let's let's gauge more of Garrett Gilbert this game
Speaker 1: and really see where the Cowboys are in that stance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a couple different ones. One the offensive line and
Speaker 1: two the cornerbacks. I'd like to see you know those
Speaker 1: written the Sean Wright. Can he build off what he
Speaker 1: did last game? It's you know, I'd love it if Connor,
Speaker 1: Murray and Hopkins were playing they doubt they will. No,
Speaker 1: you know, it'd be nice to get a little test there,
Speaker 1: but you know, can can those guys keep building? And
Speaker 1: then obviously the as you just mentioned with Naseki, the
Speaker 1: swing tackle position is very much up in the air,
Speaker 1: so kind of kind of see what any progress has
Speaker 1: made there. Let's go brandonite, Terrence Steele, show us what
Speaker 1: you guys, right, Yeah, well out of Connor on a song,
Speaker 1: how do you say about his name? Give me he
Speaker 1: wants his cake? That was hilarious, by the way, I
Speaker 1: want to taste the cake. So we're gonna get We're
Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna get a large sample of Colt McCoy
Speaker 1: instead of probably Kyler Murray. But the player that I'm
Speaker 1: watching on defense is going to be Watkins. I think
Speaker 1: that we I think a lot of people are overlooking
Speaker 1: his maybe his potential impact on this team. Collins Watkins
Speaker 1: from Clemson, from the university from excuse me, from Houston, Texans.
Speaker 1: I think he's a player that's making some impact and
Speaker 1: you see him every time with the ones going. So
Speaker 1: I want to see what Watkins does. But again, it
Speaker 1: goes back to what you were saying about the offensive line.
Speaker 1: Leo Collins is another guy that I want to watch.
Speaker 1: I want to see him with more reps. I think
Speaker 1: that his injury last year was a lot more devastating
Speaker 1: than people lead on to at the right tackle spot.
Speaker 1: And I believe that, you know, getting him more work
Speaker 1: from being out all season, I think is imperative for
Speaker 1: this team and to build his confidence in having that
Speaker 1: laboring surgery on his hip. But guys, it's going to
Speaker 1: be our show. I want to make sure that I
Speaker 1: say this first, and I gotta say this that this
Speaker 1: is been absolutely phenomenal and awesome to be hosting with
Speaker 1: you guys. On Hanging with the Boys. I turned talked
Speaker 1: to Kyle, you know, seeing scoot him off to the man,
Speaker 1: let me don't even start that on our show. We
Speaker 1: got enough. Look, hey, Kyle, Yeoman's is the golden calf,
Speaker 1: all right, So don't even don't even get me sorry
Speaker 1: with that. But you guys, it's been awesome, man. And
Speaker 1: you know, after this show, I know all the podcasts
Speaker 1: are gonna go back and we're gonna be, you know,
Speaker 1: bucking heads again, all right, with all the competition that
Speaker 1: we have. But guys, this has been absolutely amazing. It
Speaker 1: was fun it's getting work with you because I don't
Speaker 1: get to work with y'all like all that often normally
Speaker 1: during like the regular season. No, I enjoyed it. You
Speaker 1: were great man, man. I think I appreciate the way
Speaker 1: that you and we'll talk about this before the show
Speaker 1: your energy and and and you talk about relatability. Right.
Speaker 1: There are tons of people who might want to say, oh,
Speaker 1: I would have loved to Ben and Jesse holly seat
Speaker 1: the boone was played. There are hunt of people who
Speaker 1: want to be in your seat. But it's the only
Speaker 1: one road road. I always have to be mindful. We
Speaker 1: have the lady in what to say, how to say
Speaker 1: certain things. I told you I can't go to the
Speaker 1: principal's office to October. But now you've been phenomenal. Danny,
Speaker 1: thank you for sitting in. You smell much better than
Speaker 1: Isaiah stand back, and we appreciate that. Here and hanging
Speaker 1: with the boys, that's dude. You guys are too much
Speaker 1: for Jesse, for Danny and for Kurt Daniels Cowboys Nation.
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