Speaker 1: Welcome back Bachelor Happy Hour listeners. It's good to be
Speaker 1: back with you. I know this week is a little
Speaker 1: off because obviously we did not have an episode of
Speaker 1: The Bachelor last night, so we have no recap, which
Speaker 1: is totally fine because we still have a great episode
Speaker 1: coming up for you today. Yes, I definitely missed The
Speaker 1: Bachelor this week, but I am so excited for today's
Speaker 1: episode because Bachelor Nation, we have heard you when you
Speaker 1: have said who is Clayton? We know nothing about him?
Speaker 1: So guess what. The Bachelor himself is here today and
Speaker 1: we cannot wait for you to all get to know
Speaker 1: him a little bit better. Yes, the time has finally
Speaker 1: come for us to give all of you people what
Speaker 1: you want. Not only do we have his season to
Speaker 1: talk with him about, but we also, if you don't remember,
Speaker 1: never had him on during Michelle's season, So we have
Speaker 1: a full recap with Clayton himself. We'll get into Michelle's season,
Speaker 1: his time on her season, we'll get into his season.
Speaker 1: But also there's just so much for him, so much
Speaker 1: more for us to know about him as listeners. So
Speaker 1: today we have a full episode. We'll get into all
Speaker 1: of the tea, we'll get to know Clayton for who
Speaker 1: he really is, what he thinks about this crazy world.
Speaker 1: And I just have to say, let's just get into it. Serena, Huh,
Speaker 1: I am so ready. Let's bring on the Bachelor. I
Speaker 1: just want all of our listeners to know the real Clayton.
Speaker 1: This is why we're having you here on Bachelor Happy
Speaker 1: Hour today is to get to know you. Because we've
Speaker 1: had so many people out there be like, who's Clayton?
Speaker 1: We know nothing about him? While ladies and gents, today
Speaker 1: is the day we now know that Clayton eats about
Speaker 1: a thousand pounds in chipole a week. He's got a
Speaker 1: Chipotle card well on the way. I can't wait to
Speaker 1: hang out with you when that finally comes. If I'm
Speaker 1: the Chipotle order like the person that works there and
Speaker 1: I'm taking your order, Like hi, Clayton, Like what can
Speaker 1: I get you today? I got this down like to
Speaker 1: a science. I would like two bulls ago with two
Speaker 1: tour tias on the side. I went to salad dressings.
Speaker 1: Both bulls will be the same. I get white rice
Speaker 1: extra right rice, white rice, extra fahita, veggies, no beans,
Speaker 1: half chicken, half steak, pico de gaio, corn, guac, lettuce,
Speaker 1: and that's it. Yeah, the extra fahita veggis that is
Speaker 1: that is a move. That's a pro move. Clean. How
Speaker 1: long have you been ordering this same thing from Chipotle?
Speaker 1: Leave this in the podcast? Leave this in here? Ever
Speaker 1: since I stopped, or ever since I graduated college. So
Speaker 1: it's been I'm on six years now. The second I
Speaker 1: want to no, no, Okay, So if you you obviously
Speaker 1: are no longer in the NFL, you ordered two of
Speaker 1: these bowls? How many times a week would you say? Well,
Speaker 1: it probably probably once a week, maybe sometimes twice if
Speaker 1: I'm feeling I treat myself a little bit. Okay, if
Speaker 1: you eat this much right now, how much were you
Speaker 1: eating when you played football? I would easily put down
Speaker 1: two bowls when I was playing football one meal, like
Speaker 1: in one sitting. Yes, it was like people like people
Speaker 1: would watch me fin every I wouldn't like to eat
Speaker 1: a whole lot in the restaurant because people would just
Speaker 1: turn and look at me and they'd be like, are
Speaker 1: you going to actually eat both of those? And then
Speaker 1: I would just proceed to like not breathe and just
Speaker 1: shovel food. And you can eat that much food because
Speaker 1: I get through like just over three quarters of the bowl,
Speaker 1: and I'm just ashamed that I can't finish that last bit.
Speaker 1: But I guess so whole that half your size. I mean,
Speaker 1: everyone thinks that it sounds so great, but it's like
Speaker 1: a hassle to have to put down that many calories
Speaker 1: and just keep just keep in mind what you put
Speaker 1: in also coming out. Wow, yeah, just whole new side?
Speaker 1: Do you clean? I have? I don't hold back clean.
Speaker 1: I like you. You seem like a great guy. You're
Speaker 1: the reason why I never want to have boys because
Speaker 1: they eat so freaking much. Like I used to date
Speaker 1: a football player in college and he would daily eat
Speaker 1: a loaf of bread with all of the sandwiches and
Speaker 1: the toast. I'm like, I never want boys. You guys
Speaker 1: are going to be dry. It's expensive, ry, damn the
Speaker 1: gross and yeah, my poor mom we have I have
Speaker 1: two younger brothers and they also eat like a bunch
Speaker 1: of horses. So it's it was whoever could eat the fastest,
Speaker 1: because my parents would cook the food and then it
Speaker 1: was like, here's here's all the food we have, and
Speaker 1: once it's gone, it's gone. So that's I think where
Speaker 1: I had to like learn how to re eat in
Speaker 1: a way that was like if I was going out
Speaker 1: on dates, I had to like catch myself because I
Speaker 1: would be like face. I would be like face in
Speaker 1: the plate, Like you gotta like free eat before the date,
Speaker 1: like you have a free date meal and then you
Speaker 1: go and you have your second dinner and then it's
Speaker 1: probably a post date meal the way out. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: literally people will see me like when I was at
Speaker 1: my work when I worked medical sales, I'd bring this
Speaker 1: big old trough of food in and I would put
Speaker 1: my arm around it and like literally like be like
Speaker 1: right here, and it's like almost like a protective mechanism
Speaker 1: that I'm like, you're not coming my food exactly. I'm
Speaker 1: picturing like Gain melf In, Lord of the Rings with
Speaker 1: a stick like thou shall not pass you intern of
Speaker 1: your chipole bowl. Oh yeah, I've had I even had
Speaker 1: a couple of times people like can I try that?
Speaker 1: And they said, like the way my eyes darted up
Speaker 1: with them like excuse me, absolutely not slowly please exactly.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, I feel like we could talk about
Speaker 1: food and chipol all day, all day. I hope we
Speaker 1: were recording all of this first and foremost we want
Speaker 1: to welcome you officially to Batch your Happy Hour because
Speaker 1: this is your first time here, so welcome. Thank you
Speaker 1: guys for having me. I'm excited. Yes, we could talk
Speaker 1: all day about food, but there are other dimensions of me,
Speaker 1: so we can try to touch on those other dimensions
Speaker 1: outside of the whole foodie I love it well. So
Speaker 1: I'm glad that you mentioned the other dimensions because we'll
Speaker 1: get into all of the fun stuff of your time
Speaker 1: on Michelle season of your own season, but before that,
Speaker 1: you've kind of, I mean, you've really had such a
Speaker 1: unique experience as personally because you've never watched yourself until
Speaker 1: now on TV, because when Michelle's season was airing, you
Speaker 1: were actually in the midst of your own season filming,
Speaker 1: So there's so much that you've missed. This is really
Speaker 1: your first time watching yourself back on TV, hearing yourself
Speaker 1: back on TV, hearing what everyone back on your season
Speaker 1: has to say. It's it's just like a weird world.
Speaker 1: And I know from experience, and I know Serena knows
Speaker 1: from experience what that feels like. So first and foremost,
Speaker 1: how are you doing now that everything's done filming, it's
Speaker 1: finally airing? Like, how are you dealing with the social
Speaker 1: media and the dms and all of that craziness. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think at first it was kind of quiet, so
Speaker 1: I was able to respond as much as I could,
Speaker 1: and again, very just appreciative for the whole opportunity. So
Speaker 1: I wanted to be able to let people know, like, hey, like,
Speaker 1: thank you for reaching out. It means a lot. Then
Speaker 1: the first episode aired and all of a sudden, it's
Speaker 1: like it's just like opened the floodgates. And at that
Speaker 1: point I started to get overwhelmed, and yeah, I would
Speaker 1: I'd be lying if I said it was all sunshine
Speaker 1: and roses. I have definitely fallen victim to reading everything,
Speaker 1: which again everybody's told me stop reading all the comments,
Speaker 1: but I my thought was, if I know what's out there,
Speaker 1: there's no surprises. What I found those again is now
Speaker 1: I'm watching the show and I see the comments, and
Speaker 1: I understand a lot of these thoughts that people are
Speaker 1: throwing out there on the Internet, and they're saying, well,
Speaker 1: we're not seeing this and we're not seeing that, and
Speaker 1: I'm seeing a lot of this for the first time myself.
Speaker 1: Just I mean, I'm sure we'll jump into some of
Speaker 1: the episodes, but like the last episode with what all
Speaker 1: had happened with the drama, I didn't even know that
Speaker 1: was going on, and so like, I'm watching it now
Speaker 1: for the first time, and I'm like, wow, okay, this
Speaker 1: was all happening while I was off talking with other women,
Speaker 1: and I had I had seen that and realized what
Speaker 1: was occurring, I think I would have responded to it.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know I would have responded to it,
Speaker 1: but people have to understand I didn't see that. I'm
Speaker 1: actually now watching it for the first time with everybody else,
Speaker 1: and so it's news to me. A lot of what
Speaker 1: I'm seeing now, and that's it is challenging because again
Speaker 1: I see people that are coming after me and my
Speaker 1: character and saying, this guy has terrible judgment. Why wouldn't
Speaker 1: you respond to this? And the answer is, you know,
Speaker 1: it's simple. It's like, do you see me in that
Speaker 1: picture like they're when they're showing the drama, Am I
Speaker 1: they are present? And the answer is no. So I
Speaker 1: didn't know about it. I was left in the dark.
Speaker 1: I only knew what the women brought to me. And again, like,
Speaker 1: what I'm seeing is like a lot of what was happening.
Speaker 1: I just kind of got bits and pieces through the
Speaker 1: conversations I had, right, Yeah, And I think what people
Speaker 1: need to remember is there's one of you and about
Speaker 1: thirty women, so the ratio is off. You're not going
Speaker 1: to be part of every single conversation in every single realm.
Speaker 1: And I think how you said it is perfect, Like
Speaker 1: if you don't see Clayton in the room, that means
Speaker 1: he probably wasn't privy to what was happening in it.
Speaker 1: And I know that even as a contestant, you know,
Speaker 1: I remember getting dms being like, well, why didn't you
Speaker 1: stick up for this person or why didn't you speak
Speaker 1: up in this situation? And I had a similar experience
Speaker 1: where a lot of drama happened the week of my
Speaker 1: one on one day and I wasn't in the room.
Speaker 1: So it was like, you can't be held accountable for
Speaker 1: your actions when you weren't present to even act well.
Speaker 1: And to both of your points, I mean, if anyone
Speaker 1: watches the show, they obviously know there's a lead, there's
Speaker 1: all the contestants, and there's a team of producers who
Speaker 1: work on the show to really navigate every situation, all
Speaker 1: of the dates, all of the conversations to a certain extent,
Speaker 1: but in less Clayton, as you were saying, and less
Speaker 1: a girl is sitting with you bringing up a certain
Speaker 1: situation or certain drama. No one, producers included, aren't going
Speaker 1: to go to you and be like, hey, Clayton, so
Speaker 1: and so said this, So how are you going to
Speaker 1: address it? It's really up to you to figure out
Speaker 1: and navigate every conversation with the women face to face.
Speaker 1: No one's telling you the dirt or the jews, really
Speaker 1: until somebody comes to you directly and sits you down
Speaker 1: and really brings that to light. And so that's what
Speaker 1: I want, you know, to anyone who watches the show,
Speaker 1: to anyone who listens to the podcast, like Clinton, you
Speaker 1: are a human. You are as one person is trying
Speaker 1: to navigate this crazy world. And it's a world that
Speaker 1: you had never watched before. You really had no idea
Speaker 1: or expectations. You're just doing the best you can. So
Speaker 1: I would really ask everyone to just have patience and
Speaker 1: have a little bit of grace and wherewithal to know
Speaker 1: that you're doing your best. You're just like everyone else.
Speaker 1: You're trying to find love, You're trying to find a partner.
Speaker 1: It just makes it very difficult when there's so many
Speaker 1: people on social media popping up and coming out of
Speaker 1: the woodwork and saying shit. And I know I was
Speaker 1: kind of like you, I would say, in a way
Speaker 1: where at first I was like, I have been given
Speaker 1: this incredible platform and there's so much support and I
Speaker 1: want to reply to everybody and thank them and really
Speaker 1: you know, be as humble and as gracious as possible.
Speaker 1: And very slowly I realized like there's a lot of
Speaker 1: haters out there, and there's a lot of trolls, and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who will say whatever the
Speaker 1: hell they want to say to get their two seconds
Speaker 1: of fame or they're fifteen minutes of fame, if you will.
Speaker 1: And so I know, even like this week, crazy things
Speaker 1: on social media have been popping up of things that
Speaker 1: happened when you were single, when you were in your
Speaker 1: twenties and just a man dating. So is there anything
Speaker 1: that you want to address here first and foremost to
Speaker 1: really get out there so all of our listeners can
Speaker 1: hear it from you directly. Yeah, I mean there's so
Speaker 1: much I want to address, and that's where I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can I fit all into one podcast. Probably not,
Speaker 1: But again I'm a big talk rest people will see
Speaker 1: especially on these podcasts, which was a little bit different
Speaker 1: from yeah on the show, where again I think that's
Speaker 1: something I've seen as people say, oh, like, he seems
Speaker 1: that he doesn't have much to say to these women
Speaker 1: who are giving him there telling them their life stories.
Speaker 1: And I remember I went into the whole experience with
Speaker 1: my family saying, Clayton, you're a great talker, but try
Speaker 1: to be a really great listener, like make sure you
Speaker 1: emphasize focusing on keeping your mouth shut and listening. And
Speaker 1: I think that's what I did a lot early on,
Speaker 1: and I had a lot of women say, hey, you're great,
Speaker 1: You're such a great listener. But as far as like
Speaker 1: the Chris isn't being like, hey, the guy doesn't really
Speaker 1: say a whole lot, I think again it's kind of twofold.
Speaker 1: On one aspect, I was trying to be really good
Speaker 1: just a listening aspect. The other side of it, I
Speaker 1: also it's you know, thirty women come in the house
Speaker 1: and you're talking so far as is day four or
Speaker 1: five or whatever it is that people are seeing this
Speaker 1: episode are and these women are starting to open up
Speaker 1: and tell me some very personal stories. I'm still trying
Speaker 1: to figure out, Hey, who this person is, what they're,
Speaker 1: how they are, like, what are their inner workings, and
Speaker 1: how can I best respond to something so personal? And
Speaker 1: so I think, just because how the environment is, you
Speaker 1: really jump into those intimate discussions very early on. But
Speaker 1: if you don't, if you're still getting to understand that person,
Speaker 1: I think at least I find myself being cautious because
Speaker 1: I don't want to, you know, I'm still trying to
Speaker 1: figure out who that person is and I don't want
Speaker 1: to say something that might be misinterpreted. That's something I
Speaker 1: saw on the side. As far as addressing what I've
Speaker 1: seen online, Yeah, I've seen a lot of these tickto
Speaker 1: that have come up as lately regarding my past, you know,
Speaker 1: or the relationships that I had in the past, and like, listen,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. I never claimed to be some saint
Speaker 1: per se or some or celibate. For the last six
Speaker 1: years of my single life, like I was single, and
Speaker 1: you know, I enjoyed that singleness. There's a period of
Speaker 1: my life where like, yeah, I wasn't looking for anything
Speaker 1: serious and I was just having fun and enjoying that
Speaker 1: aspect of it, and you know, I think that's just
Speaker 1: something maybe everybody goes through in some capacity. And I
Speaker 1: went through that, and so I am now starting to
Speaker 1: see a lot of these things that are coming up.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I I don't understand a whole lot
Speaker 1: of white people bring it up per se, because I'm like,
Speaker 1: I think we all went through this, but and maybe
Speaker 1: some people more than others. But the thing was is like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I went out and dated and and had my fun,
Speaker 1: and really what it came to is like it came
Speaker 1: to a head on this year, Like on my twenty
Speaker 1: eighth birthday, I realized that I was doing the same things.
Speaker 1: I hadn't changed my dating life, per se. I haven't changed,
Speaker 1: you know, my work. Everything was just kind of stagnant,
Speaker 1: and I felt like I was going through the motions
Speaker 1: and I realized, like, you need to start making changes
Speaker 1: to see change, and that also can't cut into my
Speaker 1: dating life. I realized that I can't keep going down
Speaker 1: this path of just kind of loosely dating because that's
Speaker 1: not going to bring me the happiness that I'm looking for,
Speaker 1: which is ultimately another person in my life that I
Speaker 1: can wake up to every day. And that's and they'll
Speaker 1: be there with me along that journey of life. So
Speaker 1: I see the things online, I think it's it is
Speaker 1: what it is. Yeah, I guess for me, it's like yes,
Speaker 1: and some of the what I've seen is absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 1: It's not factual. Like I've seen some things that it's
Speaker 1: like I saw one today the guy said, hey, oh
Speaker 1: he was this I walked down on him with my girlfriend.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't even know who this guy is.
Speaker 1: Or someone else said like I've been dating date him
Speaker 1: for five years. I was like, how can you make that?
Speaker 1: Like how can you say you date me for five years?
Speaker 1: Like where is the evidence? But again, like there's other
Speaker 1: It's just there's just so much and I don't know
Speaker 1: I for what it is. I just want people to
Speaker 1: know like, hey, I didn't claim to be this guy
Speaker 1: who just didn't date around or it was just like
Speaker 1: in my inner hole for the last five six years,
Speaker 1: like I went and had my fun. I did, but
Speaker 1: that obviously transitions. Once I hit my twenty birthday this year,
Speaker 1: thinks I realized I started needing to make some changes. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I don't think you dating and living your single
Speaker 1: life equates to you being a bad guy. You were single,
Speaker 1: you were an adult, and you had every right to
Speaker 1: date and have experiences, and you were a freeman and
Speaker 1: now you're not. And I think that's where the line
Speaker 1: gets blurry of people they're seeing you on the Bachelor
Speaker 1: dating and they forget that this period of your life
Speaker 1: happened before you went on the show, when you were single.
Speaker 1: So you know, I don't think you have any need
Speaker 1: to apologize for any of that. People are going to
Speaker 1: come out and they're gonna say dumb shit, and you
Speaker 1: know the truth. And I think that it's great having
Speaker 1: you on the podcast because people are going to get
Speaker 1: to see and learn more about who you are and
Speaker 1: that you are a genuine guy, and that's gonna help
Speaker 1: hopefully with this. There's always going to be haters, there's
Speaker 1: always going to be trolls, but yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: do want to ask you because you have been reading everything,
Speaker 1: and I know when Beck and I went for drinks
Speaker 1: with you, I think it was like last month you
Speaker 1: were saying, you know, I like reading everything. It hasn't
Speaker 1: been too bad, but I know that that does change
Speaker 1: once the show begins. What do you think moving forward
Speaker 1: like do you think you will continue reading everything? How
Speaker 1: are you gonna kind of tackle all of that? I
Speaker 1: was so naive when when I met up with you
Speaker 1: guys a month ago. I have now seen that I'm
Speaker 1: starting to see the light and it's shining bright and
Speaker 1: blinding me almost. At this point, I had to take
Speaker 1: a step back, and I don't think going forward, I
Speaker 1: will be reading all the comments because it can be detrimental. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you start to go down this rabbit hole of you
Speaker 1: read one comment and then the next one piles on,
Speaker 1: the next one piles on, and you just realize very
Speaker 1: quickly you can't keep everybody happy. There's nothing you can do.
Speaker 1: Like I saw recently a post that said they talked
Speaker 1: about how Clayton is too reassuring to the women, like
Speaker 1: he's giving them too much reassurance, and because of that,
Speaker 1: it's like coach speak. For one, I'm like, yeah, I
Speaker 1: was a former athlete, so I probably will use as
Speaker 1: far as my vernacular, like it's gonna be pretty similar
Speaker 1: to how like athletes talk because that's my entire life.
Speaker 1: But people critique me on that, and then now that
Speaker 1: I'm being critiqued on, well, he's giving these women too
Speaker 1: much positive affirmation where they're going to end up being hurt,
Speaker 1: and it's like, so I'm giving them too much or
Speaker 1: not enough. It's just you realize it's all over the
Speaker 1: board across the spectrum. I'm either saying too much or
Speaker 1: I'm not saying enough. Listen, I get there's certain things
Speaker 1: that I'm like, yes, are certainly annoying, like the licking
Speaker 1: my lips thing. I didn't know I did that until
Speaker 1: I noticed that they've never noticed it. When I'm watching
Speaker 1: the show, I forget. I am so sorry because you
Speaker 1: will Now that's all you'll see because once you realize it,
Speaker 1: like I realized that because I'm I'm very hyper aware
Speaker 1: of like myself and how I'm portrayed, So once I
Speaker 1: saw it, I was like, oh my gosh. And then
Speaker 1: certain then all of a a sudden, tweets start coming in,
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's everything gets critiqued, and I don't know
Speaker 1: why I do it. I think maybe it's a nervous
Speaker 1: kind of tick per se or whatever it could be,
Speaker 1: but all of it, Yeah, it's just so heavily scrutinized,
Speaker 1: and you realize that you're like, I can't keep everyone happy,
Speaker 1: so instead of me trying to maybe I should just
Speaker 1: go ahead and push it all away and just take
Speaker 1: a step back and focus on other things that actually
Speaker 1: do make me happy and stop trying to please everyone. Well, Clayton,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you knew this, but sign up
Speaker 1: for the Bachelor, you're supposed to be perfect, like, you
Speaker 1: can't have a past, you can't have dated in the past,
Speaker 1: you can't have slept around. Basically, you can have no fun,
Speaker 1: no personality, must personality. Listen you, I mean, you said
Speaker 1: it best. You're not going to please everyone. There's always
Speaker 1: going to people that say you do too much, too little,
Speaker 1: and if they don't say about you, they're saying it
Speaker 1: about somebody else on the show. It's just there's no
Speaker 1: way to make everyone happy. So you just really have
Speaker 1: to focus on what's going to make you happy in
Speaker 1: this world now that you're in it. One thing and
Speaker 1: kind of going into that comment about how you're too
Speaker 1: reassuring to the women and then going back to what
Speaker 1: you just previously said in one of your answers, is
Speaker 1: you're listening so much, You're really taking in all of
Speaker 1: the things that these women are saying. It leads me
Speaker 1: to kind of take a step back and remember those
Speaker 1: first couple of weeks when I was the lead, because
Speaker 1: I remember meeting twenty five thirty men who already knew
Speaker 1: enough about me and the position that I was. I
Speaker 1: really felt like I was kind of in your shoes
Speaker 1: where I was listening so much because I was really
Speaker 1: trying to pick apart all of these men and to
Speaker 1: see who could actually fit into my life and be
Speaker 1: a good partner for me. And so I remember those
Speaker 1: first couple of weeks listening so much, and really they
Speaker 1: weren't asking a lot of questions about me. It was
Speaker 1: more at the other end where I was asking so
Speaker 1: much about these guys. Is that kind of where you
Speaker 1: felt yourself in this role is because you were really
Speaker 1: trying to pick apart each woman, each relationship to see
Speaker 1: who would be the best fit for you. Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: I think for me and what I caught early on,
Speaker 1: it was actually pretty interesting because I saw there was
Speaker 1: a contrast between Michelle season and mine. We went in
Speaker 1: on Michelle's side of things knowing kind of who she was,
Speaker 1: right or having the basics. I mean, we didn't know
Speaker 1: her truly down to her core, but we had an
Speaker 1: idea she's a teacher's former athlete, like we had a
Speaker 1: background and on this side of things, as I found out,
Speaker 1: the women didn't really know who I was at I mean,
Speaker 1: they showed up night one and they're like, who, what's
Speaker 1: it gonna look like? We don't know, Like I think
Speaker 1: they found out a few days before they showed up
Speaker 1: on you for the limos, And I found like early
Speaker 1: on our conversations the women would be asking, you know,
Speaker 1: like we'll tell me about you, but I would switch
Speaker 1: it back on them because I knew, like night one,
Speaker 1: I had five maybe at most five minutes with some
Speaker 1: of these women, so I would switch it right back. Well,
Speaker 1: I'd be like, okay, hey, like you know, I'll answer
Speaker 1: the question. Then I would go right back to but like, hey,
Speaker 1: like so tell me about you know, kind of like
Speaker 1: what you've done, what you did prior, how did you
Speaker 1: get here? Like I wanted to get to know them
Speaker 1: as much as possible, because again that night, the first night,
Speaker 1: you sent home like seven women. So you know, for me,
Speaker 1: it's like I need to know as much as I
Speaker 1: can know about someone in five minutes so that I'm
Speaker 1: not sending somebody home. Potentially that could be like the
Speaker 1: perfect match for me, I just missed out on maybe
Speaker 1: like getting the right like the little tidbits that I
Speaker 1: needed to make a conscious decision. And the fact of
Speaker 1: the matter is is like night one, I don't think
Speaker 1: I spoke to five or six of the women. You
Speaker 1: just can't get around to all of it regardless. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I found early on I was like, just ask as
Speaker 1: many questions as you can. But that's what people are
Speaker 1: seeing now on TV is the women are doing a
Speaker 1: ton of talking and I'm just over there like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's because like I'm asking the questions and then I'm
Speaker 1: just letting them speak because that's how I was going
Speaker 1: to get to know him so I can make those
Speaker 1: decisions at the end of it all. Two months is
Speaker 1: two months, and I found out two months is plenty
Speaker 1: of time when that's all you have to focus on
Speaker 1: his relationships. But the last thing I wanted was to
Speaker 1: feel like I ran out of time with somebody. I
Speaker 1: didn't want that to be the deciding factor, right. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure like coming from because you know, I was
Speaker 1: on Matt season, which was the last season I came
Speaker 1: in as a contestant, and I feel like as a contestant,
Speaker 1: you come in and you know, Okay, I might only
Speaker 1: have three to five minutes with this guy tonight, and
Speaker 1: at the end of the night, he has to make
Speaker 1: a decision. So as much as I want to see
Speaker 1: if there's a connection there, I really want to show
Speaker 1: him who I am so I can leave feeling like,
Speaker 1: you know, if it didn't work out, I showed him
Speaker 1: who I am. I shared my story. He got a
Speaker 1: vibe for my person soonality. So, and I mean they've
Speaker 1: I don't know what the quarantine was like on your season,
Speaker 1: but we were in a room for like five days.
Speaker 1: I mean I was ready to talk for hours when
Speaker 1: I go out of there. So I mean, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you're finding You're asking questions, and these women are excited
Speaker 1: to share with you who they are. Yeah. The big
Speaker 1: thing was again, it's like in the real world, if
Speaker 1: you went out on a date, you would have a
Speaker 1: nice back and forth, you would have you know, you'd
Speaker 1: ask some questions, they'd ask them some questions. Hopefully you
Speaker 1: would get that fifty fifty kind of effort on both sides.
Speaker 1: But in this environment, it's like, you really hope for me.
Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I was like, listen,
Speaker 1: like hopefully over a time, like you guys will will
Speaker 1: be able to get to know me the longer you're here.
Speaker 1: But like a lot of these conversations are gonna be
Speaker 1: ninety ten, right like you, ninety percent of time you're talking,
Speaker 1: I'm listening that you know, for that ninety percent, and
Speaker 1: then I'm talking for the other ten And it can
Speaker 1: be a lot. It's kind of a it takes a
Speaker 1: little bit of an adjustment period. And I could tell
Speaker 1: like at first kind of women they want to ask
Speaker 1: the questions, but I would just turn it right back
Speaker 1: because again, when I was back on a shell season,
Speaker 1: I felt like I had three minutes and I'm like
Speaker 1: clocks ticking. Second I sat down, I was like, all right, Michelle,
Speaker 1: I'm a medical sales I played football like I was
Speaker 1: just like firing off bullet points. And it felt kind
Speaker 1: of forced. And I remember walking out of that first
Speaker 1: conversation with her being like, yeah, I feel like I
Speaker 1: just read my resume to her like that was it.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any personality involved. I just
Speaker 1: straight up read it off. But that's kind of again,
Speaker 1: three minutes boom, next guy could come of walking in
Speaker 1: smiling and you're like, all right, well there goes that
Speaker 1: speed dating. Yes, yes, very much so well, And what
Speaker 1: people need to keep in mind is we're only two
Speaker 1: weeks in, Like, we've only seen two episodes, so of
Speaker 1: course it's going to be more getting to know all
Speaker 1: of these women. As time goes on and as the
Speaker 1: cast goes down and you have more intimate one on
Speaker 1: one time with most of these women, We're going to
Speaker 1: see you more. We're going to see more of your personality,
Speaker 1: more of the conversations, more of that banter, more of
Speaker 1: these connections form. We've only seen two episodes and this
Speaker 1: week unfortunately didn't get one, so that will come. I
Speaker 1: know it seems like a lot right now, and a
Speaker 1: lot of those comments about you know, you not doing enough,
Speaker 1: for being too much of this or that, whatever it
Speaker 1: might be. But let it breathe everyone again, give him
Speaker 1: some time, give him some patience. It's not easy being
Speaker 1: the Bachelor, I know, as fun as it is dating
Speaker 1: thirty people. Clayton, how difficult was it? Truly? Extremely difficult? Again,
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that I wanted to early on was like, okay,
Speaker 1: don't forget names and don't mix up stories, because the
Speaker 1: last thing you want to do is go into a
Speaker 1: conversation and be like, yeah, remember when you told me
Speaker 1: about that experience you had so and so, And she's like,
Speaker 1: that was one of the other girls, Like you don't
Speaker 1: want to you don't want that to happen, Like I
Speaker 1: think you're talking about one of the other women. So
Speaker 1: early on, I'm like, just get the stories straight. Make
Speaker 1: sure that like you're being the best listener possible, because again,
Speaker 1: like that's important for relationship. I think I've seen studies
Speaker 1: where it's like people that are great listeners tend to
Speaker 1: be more well liked because again it's like everyone likes
Speaker 1: to feel like they're being heard. And that to me again,
Speaker 1: as I've seen in the medical profession sales, it's like
Speaker 1: everyone loves to talk about themselves, so you know, lend
Speaker 1: that ear to them, and that's how you get to
Speaker 1: I mean, people will give up so much information about
Speaker 1: themselves if you just sit there and actively listen, and
Speaker 1: so I try to do that. But with thirty women,
Speaker 1: it's like there's thirty different personalities. And as I'm seeing
Speaker 1: from just the first two episodes, I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I live this experience, but when I'm seeing almost feels
Speaker 1: like an entirely new experience because I didn't know this
Speaker 1: was happening, and I do actually want to address something
Speaker 1: head on right now because I've seen it. It's kind
Speaker 1: of been bubbling up on social media and it was
Speaker 1: frustrating for me to watch as well, this is kind
Speaker 1: of pertaining to this is pertaining to Elizabeth and shine
Speaker 1: that drama. I didn't realize that sheney that you went
Speaker 1: after her to the degree that she did about her
Speaker 1: at ADHD. I don't condone that behavior at all. It
Speaker 1: was very upsetting for me to watch and realize that
Speaker 1: someone would make a joke out of someone having a deficit,
Speaker 1: and that was something where again for me seeing for
Speaker 1: the first time, I was frustrated by it because I
Speaker 1: don't think that anybody should be doing that, coming after
Speaker 1: someone for something that again like they were born with
Speaker 1: their have and they have to deal with on a
Speaker 1: daily basis. I also am very impressed by what I'm
Speaker 1: seeing from Elizabeth. I know she's now using her platform
Speaker 1: for good, but yeah, you know, you see these aspects
Speaker 1: of the show that like I didn't know we're happening,
Speaker 1: We're occurring, and it's again it's eye opening and but
Speaker 1: That's where again I go back to people say why
Speaker 1: didn't you react to this, and it's like, I didn't
Speaker 1: know the severity of the situation, and unfortunately it did
Speaker 1: occur as we've all we all saw and now it's
Speaker 1: like okay, people like are saying, like, how can you
Speaker 1: keep someone around like this? It's like, just again, I
Speaker 1: keep in mind that if I'm not there on screen,
Speaker 1: I'm not there, which means I'm not privy to it.
Speaker 1: But I just I just actually just wanted to bring
Speaker 1: that up because again, I think it's important for people
Speaker 1: to understand that, like I personally don't support that kind
Speaker 1: of behavior coming after somebody for for deficit so that
Speaker 1: they may have that they're working their best to overcome,
Speaker 1: and especially through on a national platform. I can only imagine,
Speaker 1: you know, what Elizabeth was going through, having to have
Speaker 1: that cast out not only to the women but to
Speaker 1: the entire world. I think she's doing a great job
Speaker 1: of it, and I'm glad to see that she's being
Speaker 1: able to find some positive avenues to drive this focus towards,
Speaker 1: you know, fostering some good discussion and putting like this
Speaker 1: all towards a fundraiser. Thank you for bringing that up.
Speaker 1: That's a good point, and that's something that Serena and
Speaker 1: I had touched on last week on the podcast, and
Speaker 1: obviously it was a big conversation in the episode that
Speaker 1: we saw last week. So I appreciate you taking this
Speaker 1: time and some moments to speak on that. Absolutely. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: and I do think you know, it's only been two episodes.
Speaker 1: You clearly haven't been afraid to take the steps to
Speaker 1: send people home and when we saw it in the
Speaker 1: first episode with Claire, So I think everyone can just
Speaker 1: be a little patient with you. Give you some grace.
Speaker 1: I think you can give yourself some grace. You're doing
Speaker 1: a fantastic job, and just let the season unfold. You know,
Speaker 1: we're going to see a lot more of you, a
Speaker 1: lot more drama, and I'm sure there's gonna be tons
Speaker 1: of opportunities for you to get friends and situations, both
Speaker 1: on the show and through the podcast. Yeah, patience is key,
Speaker 1: and that's where like, even me, I'm like, Clayton, be patient.
Speaker 1: You know how this story unfull is, And yet you're
Speaker 1: the one who's like, now like listening to all these
Speaker 1: comments and being like I'm getting impatient. I just want
Speaker 1: this to happen, and it's like, oh, like, just give it.
Speaker 1: There's plenty. You got eight more episodes, havery more episodes
Speaker 1: I've had. This story will unfold the truth. Let it breathe,
Speaker 1: Let it breathe, baby, let's get Let's just bring it
Speaker 1: back to the very very beginning, because obviously, again we
Speaker 1: didn't have you on Michelle's season on our podcast to
Speaker 1: talk through anything to get to know you. So I
Speaker 1: want to know because I don't think you'd ever watched
Speaker 1: the show before. So how did you get cast on
Speaker 1: Michelle season? I was reached out to on social media.
Speaker 1: Funny enough, I think I made like an Instagram. I
Speaker 1: think it's just a year ago that I made one,
Speaker 1: just because it seemed like all my friends had funneled
Speaker 1: away from f book. So I felt that I was
Speaker 1: out of the loop. And so I was like, I
Speaker 1: have to download Instagram. I remember trying to creep on Instagram,
Speaker 1: like go on like instagram dot com. I didn't. I
Speaker 1: didn't want to actually download the app. And then I
Speaker 1: realized you have to download the app to see the content.
Speaker 1: So I made the Instagram and then, yeah, I was
Speaker 1: reached out to that way, and of course I thought
Speaker 1: it was fake and I was like, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: Brye some spam. But but yeah, that was there. Was
Speaker 1: reached out to that way and just kept going step
Speaker 1: by step through the process and now all the way
Speaker 1: on this side of it. So wait, you know, come
Speaker 1: full circle. I have to know. So you don't let
Speaker 1: an Instagram about a year ago, but you like you've
Speaker 1: lived your single tunnies, did you have girls comment on
Speaker 1: the fact that you didn't have Instagram, Because frankly, when
Speaker 1: I was dating, if someone was like, oh I don't
Speaker 1: have Instagram, I'm like, Okay, either you're a creep or
Speaker 1: you're lying and I'm gonna find you you're a serial killer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had a lot of Yeah, I've had like a
Speaker 1: few women that they brought it to my attention to
Speaker 1: there like yeah, I definitely sent my location to my
Speaker 1: friends because I couldn't find many pictures of you because
Speaker 1: you just have a Facebook and that's about it. And obviously,
Speaker 1: like some of the dating apps, like I had my
Speaker 1: few pictures, but they couldn't like go and see yeah,
Speaker 1: like his Instagram, Like why is this guy to have
Speaker 1: an Instagram? Is this really him? Like all those questions
Speaker 1: I had and it was never enough for me to
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, I need to make an Instagram because
Speaker 1: my character was being questioned or even my identity. But certainly, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a conversation I've had a couple of times. Well,
Speaker 1: the good thing is going on the Bachelorette. There's no phone,
Speaker 1: so you don't even need Instagram. But I mean, we
Speaker 1: saw a little bit of you on Michelle season. Do
Speaker 1: you want to just touch on how your experience was
Speaker 1: on the show? I mean we saw your journey, looked
Speaker 1: like you were growing feelings for Michelle and obviously it
Speaker 1: didn't work out. Yeah, it was That was really the
Speaker 1: whole experience helped second way me very well into the
Speaker 1: role as the bachelor, and it was a lot with
Speaker 1: having to do with like not only Michelle, but the
Speaker 1: other guys as well. I was blown away by the
Speaker 1: quality of men that they brought on. There were so
Speaker 1: many of them that had very successful backgrounds, They had
Speaker 1: a lot of confidence. They just were very comfortable in
Speaker 1: their own skin, and that was something that I struggled
Speaker 1: with definitely coming into it. I you know, being in Columbia,
Speaker 1: Missouri and dating dating, it's like if you're kind of
Speaker 1: like you can be a big fish in a small
Speaker 1: pond per se. But then all of a sudden, you
Speaker 1: go and you can get these guys that are all
Speaker 1: like they picked from all across the country and they
Speaker 1: were really just like incredible human beings that I started
Speaker 1: seeing my confidence start to waver coming on the show.
Speaker 1: First person I saw was Nate. I remember that was
Speaker 1: the first person that I saw, and I'm like, he's
Speaker 1: six foot eight, good looking guy, and I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, Like I'm gonna be like it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a whole basketball team of guys and I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: the shorty at six foot five, and so yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like a shock to me. And then I started
Speaker 1: talking to the guys getting to know them, and the
Speaker 1: whole experience really allowed me to step back and I
Speaker 1: had a lot of help from the guys who talked
Speaker 1: to me one on one. More than a few guys
Speaker 1: reached out obviously or we're actively helping me along the way.
Speaker 1: You know. I roomed with Brandon on the tail end
Speaker 1: of the show, and I mean we bonded so hard,
Speaker 1: like in those you know, that week or so that
Speaker 1: I was there as his roommate because we just talked
Speaker 1: about life. We sat up, we called a pillow talk,
Speaker 1: and we would have talked for like three or four
Speaker 1: hours and then up being wiped out the next day, like, hey,
Speaker 1: did you have three to four hours to talk? I
Speaker 1: feel like we got no time alone, no time to sleep.
Speaker 1: How did you squeeze in those hours? Well, we would
Speaker 1: get That's the thing. We would get, like we would
Speaker 1: get maybe five hours to sleep and we would talk
Speaker 1: for three, so we'd end up getting two hours. And
Speaker 1: I would always be like, Brandon, I'm going to that.
Speaker 1: He's like nah Man's pillow talk time. And I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, that's so cute. But He's I grew
Speaker 1: very quickly. I was like, this, guys is incredible. He
Speaker 1: taught me a lot. He taught me the power of
Speaker 1: just like if you really care about somebody, go above
Speaker 1: and beyond right. He was a big note writer. He
Speaker 1: truly was like any moment I could get with her,
Speaker 1: like I want to show her that I care. And
Speaker 1: that's where he showed me, like, hey, write a note,
Speaker 1: whatever you can do, go the extra step to show
Speaker 1: somebody that you truly care about him. He got me
Speaker 1: into journaling. That was so critical. On my side of
Speaker 1: things where I used that as much as I could
Speaker 1: because I didn't have friends of family around, so I'd
Speaker 1: be writing that and that would help just put my
Speaker 1: thoughts on paper and help me decompress. And then the
Speaker 1: big thing with Michelle was she opened me back up
Speaker 1: to fully tearing down my walls and realizing, like, you
Speaker 1: want this relationship more than anything, like you want to
Speaker 1: be happy with one person, like your single life that
Speaker 1: you went through wasn't giving you that. And it came
Speaker 1: down to that last date. I was very I was
Speaker 1: still very guarded going into that last date with Michelle,
Speaker 1: like I was slow to open up. And as we
Speaker 1: saw in the season, I saw it my conversations with
Speaker 1: her weren't as deep. They're more surface level versus other
Speaker 1: guys because I was just very cautious. But I got
Speaker 1: into that last date and the museum day, it was
Speaker 1: so much fun. It was just like it really showed
Speaker 1: me like I was able to start opening up to her,
Speaker 1: and then by the end of it, I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: like I actually feel something special here, Like there's a
Speaker 1: like we're taking it to the next step as far
Speaker 1: as this relationship. I haven't done this in a why
Speaker 1: every time I get to this point with somebody in
Speaker 1: the past, I would shut down because I you know,
Speaker 1: I had my own battle scars from my previous relationship
Speaker 1: that I was in, and so i'd use you would
Speaker 1: shut off. But I just kept pushing forward with Michelle,
Speaker 1: and yeah, and then she opened me up. Obviously, then
Speaker 1: she sent me home right after that point, but she
Speaker 1: told me, you know, hey, stay true to yourself and
Speaker 1: don't close back off. Promised me that, and I didn't,
Speaker 1: and that's what allowed me then to go into the
Speaker 1: Bachelor and come in more open than I had been
Speaker 1: really since my previous wayship six years ago. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: I'm sure your answers are going to be vastly different
Speaker 1: from Michelle's season versus your own season. But during your
Speaker 1: time on Michelle's season, were there any moments in particular
Speaker 1: that really stand out to you that were especially great
Speaker 1: or challenging you se on michelle season? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're very challenging. Um, I think not one thing stands
Speaker 1: out off the top of my head. I think because
Speaker 1: that's the whole experience was challenging. So night one I
Speaker 1: thought about going home like six times. I was like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing here. You don't belong these Some
Speaker 1: of these guys are huge characters, like what did you
Speaker 1: get yourself into? And so it was challenging in that
Speaker 1: respect for me. Then for the first week or so,
Speaker 1: I think I was in my shell. And that's where
Speaker 1: it's like when it came into conversations with Michelle, I
Speaker 1: would I was kind of guarded and I was just
Speaker 1: trying to get to know her, but she was asking
Speaker 1: me a lot of questions, and I remember trying to
Speaker 1: like ask her more questions, but she would push it
Speaker 1: back to me the same way that I did when
Speaker 1: I was I was the lead as well. It's like
Speaker 1: the lead tries to push the questions onto the women
Speaker 1: to get to know them or the men. But I
Speaker 1: was just trying to figure everything out. And I look
Speaker 1: back at that now and I don't know. I'm like,
Speaker 1: did should I have watched priory sees? Like would that
Speaker 1: have helped give me an idea? I don't know if
Speaker 1: I'll ever have the answer to that, because I went
Speaker 1: in with just like basically with the blinders on, kind
Speaker 1: of went in like all right here, I Am like,
Speaker 1: we're gonna just have fun with it all and make
Speaker 1: this as authentic as possible. I still don't know to
Speaker 1: this day if that was beneficial or not, but it
Speaker 1: definitely made it challenging because everything was new to me,
Speaker 1: and so when I go into new environments, I get
Speaker 1: very quiet and I just take in as much as
Speaker 1: I can. Like that's because I'm like, don't open your
Speaker 1: mouth and be a fool. Like there's some famous quote
Speaker 1: or something I loved, like someone reference to me, like
Speaker 1: better for people to think you're a fool than to
Speaker 1: open your mouth and remove all doubts, And that was
Speaker 1: like what I thought going into I'm like, do not
Speaker 1: just take it all in and then you'll start to
Speaker 1: open up as time goes on. So but with that, yeah,
Speaker 1: everything was challenging on Michelle season. It was all just
Speaker 1: brand new. Well to your point, and this is something
Speaker 1: that Serena and I had talked about it. I believe
Speaker 1: what in our first episode of your season with Jesse
Speaker 1: Palmer is because you win in not watching previous seasons.
Speaker 1: You didn't have a game plan, you didn't have this
Speaker 1: rule book or notes on what to do or what
Speaker 1: not to do or when to say certain things, which
Speaker 1: for me personally as a viewer, I find very endearing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know it's that's not necessarily the case
Speaker 1: because I think so many people that tend to go
Speaker 1: on the show now are fans. They kind of know
Speaker 1: how each season works, what happens when, what you should
Speaker 1: do in certain situations, and for you, you're kind of
Speaker 1: just like going with the wind and going, you know,
Speaker 1: wherever it takes you, and which I will say, I
Speaker 1: love that you are able to ask more questions, especially
Speaker 1: with Jesse, of like has this happened before? How what
Speaker 1: do you do in this case? Like any advice, which
Speaker 1: I think it's more fresh and refreshing for me, I
Speaker 1: would say, yeah, I And I think some people do
Speaker 1: see that as like why, like what is this guy doing?
Speaker 1: Does he not know how it works? It's like no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I don't like it's all as people will see, and
Speaker 1: I'll be able to talk on some of these things
Speaker 1: more as they pop up. But some of the things
Speaker 1: that happened I remember just like looking over at Jesse
Speaker 1: or whoever and be like is this for real? Like
Speaker 1: this can we do this? Like? And I think people
Speaker 1: have already seen that in teasers like with me be like,
Speaker 1: you know, what are your thoughts on this can I
Speaker 1: do this? Because every day I would just like wake
Speaker 1: up and then I'd be like, okay, like let's go
Speaker 1: about my day, and all of a sudden this happened.
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, is this par for the course? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Apparently it is. But I didn't want to be influenced
Speaker 1: by the outside world or any external factors that would
Speaker 1: cause me to change who I was. And for that, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can say that through the entire experience, I was
Speaker 1: one hundred percent myself and took those course of actions
Speaker 1: that I thought were best. But had I'd watched prior seasons,
Speaker 1: might I had went about it differently and maybe made
Speaker 1: some better decisions potentially. Yes, I just that that's a
Speaker 1: huge one if game that you can you'll never win
Speaker 1: trying to flight. Yeah, And I think, as much as
Speaker 1: it's kind of a cheesy thing to say, the best
Speaker 1: thing you can do going on any of these shows
Speaker 1: is to just be yourself. And it's it's so corny,
Speaker 1: but it is true because that is how you're going
Speaker 1: to give yourself the best chance at finding a connection
Speaker 1: or realizing that that's not the connection for you. And
Speaker 1: I think whether you go and blind going in as
Speaker 1: a fan you know, that brings out the most genuine people,
Speaker 1: and that's how people find love. And I think that's
Speaker 1: why you know, people like you, Clayton. You you were
Speaker 1: a hundred percent yourself on michelle season, and that's why
Speaker 1: we see all of the men from that season really
Speaker 1: rooting for you. And Michelle as well has been so
Speaker 1: open about like her admiration for you and her excitement
Speaker 1: around you being the Bachelor. So you have a lot
Speaker 1: of support and I think that just speaks to the
Speaker 1: fact that you were so yourself and genuine on you know,
Speaker 1: Michelle's season. We are seeing that from you on this season.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I think there was a lot of
Speaker 1: excitement from your cast about you being the Bachelor. What
Speaker 1: was your reaction when you got the call? I mean,
Speaker 1: where you sup? I had to feel it was a
Speaker 1: good thing that I was sitting down, because I just
Speaker 1: I would have probably just like you know, I was
Speaker 1: so in shock when I got when I got the call,
Speaker 1: and I think again, it happened so quickly. I went
Speaker 1: from Michelle's season to mine a month later. And what
Speaker 1: was great about it was like talking to the women,
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, I was just in your shoes,
Speaker 1: like I was literally in your shoes not even a
Speaker 1: month ago, and that really helped, I think quell a
Speaker 1: lot of that early on. I think there was a
Speaker 1: lot of that nervousness with these women, but they I
Speaker 1: like quickly. I think it calmed them down by being like, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm just as nervous, like I am not that far
Speaker 1: moved from it, and I have no pro by any means,
Speaker 1: but yeah, to be had to have them bring that
Speaker 1: to me, it meant so much because it was not
Speaker 1: only humbling, but I was just very thankful to be
Speaker 1: even considered had I not even had end up getting
Speaker 1: the role as the bachelor, Like just for them to say, hey, like,
Speaker 1: we like you, we think you're a good guy, and
Speaker 1: we're considering you for this, it was I think reflective
Speaker 1: upon me as far as letting me know, Okay, you're
Speaker 1: doing some things right, you're a good guy and people
Speaker 1: see that. And that's again, I've always been a people pleaser.
Speaker 1: That's just my personality. I always try to make people
Speaker 1: happy before I make myself happy. You got to find
Speaker 1: that balance, for sure, But that's where it's Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: the challenge. It's like I know that the producers saw
Speaker 1: this in me, and that's why they gave me the opportunity.
Speaker 1: And now I'm hoping that most people will see that
Speaker 1: long term once this is all done again. Everyone needs
Speaker 1: to have some patience, and I think it will come
Speaker 1: around that way. But yeah, I mean an absolute shock. You. Obviously,
Speaker 1: I thought my journey was over on Michelle's side, and
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I'm gonna go back and make
Speaker 1: some changes in my life. I just didn't realize the
Speaker 1: changes would be as magnanimous. Well, I have to say,
Speaker 1: I thought it was very, very cute the little clip
Speaker 1: at the beginning of your season where you went and
Speaker 1: you told your mom, yeah, oh, yeah, she is a
Speaker 1: major bachelor Bachelor family. She's been she's been with the
Speaker 1: franchise since the beginning of time, and so she yeah,
Speaker 1: she was completely caught off guard. I came in on
Speaker 1: like a Tuesday, because normally it was summertime when I
Speaker 1: told her, and towards the end of it, and I
Speaker 1: would usually come back in the weekends to go on
Speaker 1: the boat with my parents, so I could just sit
Speaker 1: out on the boat and relax under the sun. It
Speaker 1: was great. And I came back on like a Tuesday
Speaker 1: at night and she's like, what are you doing there?
Speaker 1: And yeah, I commented her breathe. She started getting breathing
Speaker 1: really heavily. I'm like, oh my gosh, i'mna have to
Speaker 1: hold her. She's going to pass out on camera here.
Speaker 1: But yeah, just as everyone saw, like, my mom is
Speaker 1: so very supportive, so excited, she's always texting me. But
Speaker 1: you know, the sad part about it is she's taking
Speaker 1: all of this criticism worse than I am. And so
Speaker 1: that's been actually very you know for me, I haven't
Speaker 1: been too excited about that. It's like I've taken in
Speaker 1: a certain way. But like my mom really really is
Speaker 1: struggling with it, and I tell her to get off
Speaker 1: social media and she can't do it either. She's like
Speaker 1: so curious, but it's driving her absolutely wild. And I
Speaker 1: think that's just where I if anyone watches this and
Speaker 1: and thinks about typing a negative comment, I'm like, realize
Speaker 1: that it's not just me that you're affecting, you know,
Speaker 1: it's like it's my loved ones. You're affecting my mom.
Speaker 1: And again, like some of these comments and after the
Speaker 1: show can only show what they can show in two hours,
Speaker 1: so I get it. Like we all know they filmed
Speaker 1: so much, but only like what makes it as one
Speaker 1: percent of what was filmed. But sometimes it's like okay,
Speaker 1: Like I recently my brother texted me after this last episode.
Speaker 1: He was like, hey, you did a lot of kissing
Speaker 1: on the episode. You didn't really do a lot of talking.
Speaker 1: Like I'm kind of like, like, what are you doing? Man?
Speaker 1: Like you need to be getting to know these women.
Speaker 1: And I remember like that hearing it from a loved one,
Speaker 1: someone who knows me is questioning who I am as
Speaker 1: a person. That hit me really hard. And so it's
Speaker 1: like I think people have to understand, like your words
Speaker 1: do affect me, Like and I'll put a smile on
Speaker 1: and every day I'll start brand new and then start
Speaker 1: the day over and I'll look forward to like what's
Speaker 1: to come. But like those one kind and you think
Speaker 1: it's just one comment, understand that I'm not just reading
Speaker 1: that one comment. I'm reading your comment. I'm reading the
Speaker 1: ten thousand other comments and they all pile on and
Speaker 1: it can be a lot, and it doesn't It can
Speaker 1: really affect someone's mental health, not only mine but my mom's.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, again I go from these tangents because
Speaker 1: I have so much to say as I think about,
Speaker 1: like what all has occurred since I've been the Bachelor.
Speaker 1: But while it has been such a phenomenal experience, while
Speaker 1: it was so exciting to get that call to be
Speaker 1: the next Bachelor, I'm now seeing that the hardest parts
Speaker 1: actually not so much the show's it's the aftermath. It's
Speaker 1: this part of it now watching it with the public. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure we can all say this from
Speaker 1: being on several seasons. The filming part is fun, you know.
Speaker 1: Of course, there's drama and there's there's a lot of stress,
Speaker 1: and it can be very very difficult, But the airing
Speaker 1: of everything back is when it gets very very difficult.
Speaker 1: And I'm so glad you touched on the point of
Speaker 1: it not only affecting you but your family, because I mean,
Speaker 1: I get it. There's there's a support system, I feel
Speaker 1: like for everyone in bachel Nation with each other who
Speaker 1: have gone through this similar experience, but there's not really
Speaker 1: one for the parents and the siblings and other family members.
Speaker 1: So I want to say, like, if your mom ever
Speaker 1: needs anyone to talk to, my mom is widely available.
Speaker 1: She would love to just give any advice to be
Speaker 1: a shoulder to cry on. Same with Thomas's family, I know.
Speaker 1: I mean, he was villainized on Katie's season of the Bachelorette,
Speaker 1: and he went through a really hard time and it
Speaker 1: really really affected his mom, it really affected his sister,
Speaker 1: even his brother who had never watched the show before.
Speaker 1: And so everyone just take a second to realize that,
Speaker 1: like again, words do matter, They hold weight, they can
Speaker 1: cut people down, and they can really affect other family
Speaker 1: members who just love and know you for who you are.
Speaker 1: And so I'm glad that you mentioned that because I
Speaker 1: don't think people hear it enough. I don't think people
Speaker 1: remember that enough. It can be very, very difficult. So
Speaker 1: if your mom needs anyone, I'll give her Jill conference number. Okay,
Speaker 1: I do appreciate that, Thank you so much. Yeah, she honestly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think she's She's also as leaks go on, I
Speaker 1: think she'll become all get a little more acclimated to it.
Speaker 1: It's just that initial shock. Yeah, And I think over
Speaker 1: time it may get better, make it worse, but I
Speaker 1: will I'll keep that mind because I think it would
Speaker 1: be It's always great to hear from people who have
Speaker 1: experience with it, and I mean, listen, you are the lead,
Speaker 1: like you are America's most eligible, eligible bacher right now,
Speaker 1: and if you're getting you know, hate or crap or
Speaker 1: you know, all these negative things coming norway. Also remember
Speaker 1: women on your season and contestants from past seasons, if
Speaker 1: they're villainized or if they're painted in some sort of
Speaker 1: bad spotlight, like how difficult it is for them as well?
Speaker 1: Who aren't the lead? Who aren't you know, beloved and
Speaker 1: sought after in this moment? It's it's it's a weird
Speaker 1: world that we all get ourselves into. Um And I'm
Speaker 1: sure you did a lot after getting that initial call
Speaker 1: to prep for being the lead, right, Like, there's so
Speaker 1: much echoes into it, physically, mentally, emotionally. So how did
Speaker 1: you prepare yourself and get ready for being the Bachelor? Well,
Speaker 1: like so many things that you said, it physically, mentally, emotionally.
Speaker 1: I remember, Like physically first off, I was like, guys,
Speaker 1: we need to get me a sense of style because
Speaker 1: on Michelle's side of it, oh my gosh, I've had
Speaker 1: I packed. I remember I had a conversation one night
Speaker 1: they go, we did you guys at a dress for
Speaker 1: like a kind of business casual or something on those
Speaker 1: sides like a date night of fancy date night and
Speaker 1: I walk out of the hotel out of my room
Speaker 1: like no, Clayton like we need something for a date.
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, this is what i'd wear
Speaker 1: like it was just like I remember, it was like
Speaker 1: a like monarch, like was this like a It was
Speaker 1: like a plain light green T shirt and I had
Speaker 1: on these like kind of there are shorts, but they
Speaker 1: were like but they were version yes part yeah. And
Speaker 1: they are like do you have a dress shirt? And
Speaker 1: I don't think I brought a single dress shirt? Uh there?
Speaker 1: And they're like what are you doing? I'm like, I don't.
Speaker 1: When I go on dates, I just wear T shirts
Speaker 1: or like uh you know, I don't. I don't know
Speaker 1: it's T shirts. Need to go shopping together. Both Well,
Speaker 1: listen the good thing about like what happened on on
Speaker 1: my side of this journey, because on Michelle's side, I
Speaker 1: think I did wear a pair of jeans one episode.
Speaker 1: They're like straight dad jeans, not form fitting at all.
Speaker 1: At least now I will only wear fit of jeans.
Speaker 1: So that there's been some good that's come out of it.
Speaker 1: But how you posted like a photo making fun of
Speaker 1: your style. I forget what you said something about like
Speaker 1: rich kid with a lawyer dad. Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. I was Again, it was kind of fun
Speaker 1: because on my side, I told the like, you know,
Speaker 1: what's your style. I was like, let's just open it up, like,
Speaker 1: let me just wear everything across the board and figure
Speaker 1: out what it is. I like, uh and so I
Speaker 1: think if yeah, for watching it now, I realize I'm like,
Speaker 1: there's like, oh, one one day he's wearing this pole,
Speaker 1: the next day he's wearing a blazer with a hoodie
Speaker 1: under it. I was just going. I was just trying
Speaker 1: to all out because I was like, Hey, this is fun,
Speaker 1: Like I get to kind of like try on these
Speaker 1: clothes and see what works best. But yeah, that was
Speaker 1: like physically, um, you know, I want to get my
Speaker 1: fashion the fashion down. Another thing too that I uh
Speaker 1: just joke Joe casually walking in Hey Joe, um and
Speaker 1: uh No. I also remember as well, I was like
Speaker 1: I think I was. I was stocking up a little
Speaker 1: bit as far as I was making sure to eat
Speaker 1: a little more calories before going into the show because
Speaker 1: I knew that I probably wasn't going to have the
Speaker 1: same access to like all the food that I wanted,
Speaker 1: or like get being able to work out because you
Speaker 1: have so much of your time is spent, you know,
Speaker 1: talking with the women that you don't get to have
Speaker 1: that time to focus on nutrition and exercise. So I
Speaker 1: bulked up a little bit going into the show, like
Speaker 1: all these little things I got, like, oh, I know
Speaker 1: you met with Jason Creole showed out to Jason. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, he's too Yeah, he told me. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: Jason's awesome. He uh Like day one, He's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what do you want to work on. I'm like, just
Speaker 1: you know, some more bodyweight stuff. I'm not a big runner.
Speaker 1: He's like, well, that's too bad because we're running. So
Speaker 1: he got me and I love it now. I love it.
Speaker 1: Like he's got me doing sprints now. Like I've just
Speaker 1: carried on with like his workouts and yeah, he's great.
Speaker 1: He's so motival, motivational. He's gonna be so happy he.
Speaker 1: I would see him after he would train you every
Speaker 1: morning and he'd be like, I just kicked Clayton's ask again,
Speaker 1: just kicked his ass. My god, a guy, Jason, I'm
Speaker 1: so proud of you. He would be picking me up
Speaker 1: off the floor. Like his workouts were what forty five
Speaker 1: minutes if that? But like he's that guy. You start
Speaker 1: trying to make conversation, He's like, I know you're trying
Speaker 1: to do get back to it, like he puts, he
Speaker 1: puts you right back on that. But I mean he
Speaker 1: got me in this great shape. Yeah, I obviously, like
Speaker 1: I love working with him. He was awesome, such a
Speaker 1: genuine guy, knows what he's talking about. And then mentally
Speaker 1: for the show, I just had to tell myself, Okay,
Speaker 1: you're going in alone, so you need to like you
Speaker 1: need to just understand, like how are you going to
Speaker 1: make sense of everything around you? And that's where I
Speaker 1: took to like the journaling and just taking time to
Speaker 1: like sit there and at night and kind of just
Speaker 1: stare up at the sailing and let my thoughts just
Speaker 1: run wild. I just had to make sure I put
Speaker 1: certain things in place so that I was ready for
Speaker 1: what was to come, which I realized, no matter how
Speaker 1: much I prepared, I was never going to be able
Speaker 1: to be fully ready for what was about to come.
Speaker 1: By way, you can try and prep as much as
Speaker 1: you want. You can talk to past bachelors. For any
Speaker 1: advice as much as you want, but nothing is ever
Speaker 1: the same each season. You really have no idea what
Speaker 1: to expect. All right, clean, I have one last question
Speaker 1: for you before we get into our game, and that
Speaker 1: is night one as the Bachelor. Did you have your
Speaker 1: top four in mind? Like, did you know, Okay, these
Speaker 1: are going to be my girls, there's somebody here for me? No? No,
Speaker 1: I remember Night one. I thought I was very confident
Speaker 1: about probably ten or twelve and that's okay, that mean
Speaker 1: like that was my number. That's how that's how impressed
Speaker 1: I was by the women. I remember being like, okay,
Speaker 1: there's ten or twelve of these women that I could
Speaker 1: see any one of them potentially being the one. I
Speaker 1: knew there was gonna be so much discussion that would
Speaker 1: have to have and so many experiences and interactions that
Speaker 1: would occur. But Night one, like, yeah, I mean, for
Speaker 1: I thought that was pretty good to be just right
Speaker 1: straight off the bat one conversation or like just initial introductions.
Speaker 1: I felt very very good about pye ten, twelve, damn okay, wow.
Speaker 1: I was going to ask you for like your top three,
Speaker 1: because usually that's what carry the stylist would ask every
Speaker 1: every season, but ten or twelve, all right, we gotta over.
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. At least you were set.
Speaker 1: That's good. You know it's a good place. I realized.
Speaker 1: I knew I was in a good place. But I
Speaker 1: was like, okay, if it's this many night one, you
Speaker 1: got your work cut out for you. And I did.
Speaker 1: I definitely did. I love it all right, Okay, we
Speaker 1: love our games at batch or happy hour, so we
Speaker 1: are going to play a little game. It's basically it's
Speaker 1: going to be a basic ass rapid fire. Okay, because
Speaker 1: again so many people still really want to get to
Speaker 1: know you, but we just have to start with the basics.
Speaker 1: So basically, Serena and I are going to give you
Speaker 1: a question and you just a sut whatever comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Rabbit Fire is like the hardest thing for me because,
Speaker 1: as you guys have seen, I talked so much, but
Speaker 1: I'll do you have my best effort. It's like it
Speaker 1: confines me to a box. I think, I like, this
Speaker 1: is not going to be in his element. He's gonna
Speaker 1: want to explain every answer I can already clean. You
Speaker 1: were like me, we just like to talk. I get it.
Speaker 1: I get it. Okay, So to kick it off. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be very basic, basic ass, rapid fire. Okay, what
Speaker 1: is your favorite color? Red? Oh? Dogs or cats? Dogs?
Speaker 1: Jeans are sweats? Sweats? Okay? What is your drink of choice?
Speaker 1: Imagine alcoholic? Is that what we're talking about? Sure, let's
Speaker 1: go alcohol Manhattan, oh, says the guy who ordered what
Speaker 1: Jack Daniels on the Rocks. When I did, I did,
Speaker 1: but then I got had the Manhattan after I liked
Speaker 1: it a lot. And now back on the because Thomas
Speaker 1: gave you shit. That's I know he did. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: need people to give me some ship for me to
Speaker 1: get me back on the encourse. He's just expanding your horizons,
Speaker 1: just like the Bapster did. Okay, what toppings do you
Speaker 1: like on your pizza? Toppings? Okay? Uh? Sausage, pepperoni, Uh, bacon? Okay.
Speaker 1: What was the first concert you went to? Uh? In sync?
Speaker 1: What I'm gonna have to at some point, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: have to like explain that one. But I end up,
Speaker 1: I'll say real quickly, I end up crying because I
Speaker 1: was like twelve years old and my aunt brought me.
Speaker 1: I was the only guy there and I cried. I
Speaker 1: was like, why am I the only guy here. I
Speaker 1: didn't realized. I didn't realize I was in heaven at
Speaker 1: the time, but I was twelve. Oh my god, I'm
Speaker 1: so jealous. Okay, Well, speaking of music, what is your
Speaker 1: go to karaoke song? Uh? Oh gosh, it could be
Speaker 1: any country song. I think when She Comes Home Tonight
Speaker 1: by Riley Green. Okay. I thought it was gonna be
Speaker 1: tearing up my heart by in Sick, but we'll go
Speaker 1: with country. I've been on a country kick. I feel
Speaker 1: like I know the answer to this next one. Well,
Speaker 1: what is your favorite chee day meal? There we go always?
Speaker 1: How many times can we plugged Chipotle? So we all
Speaker 1: get it's hard? Okay? Chipotle, bats are Happy Hour, loves you,
Speaker 1: endorse us, hit us up. That's all right, I'll plug
Speaker 1: it too much. No, we gotta plug it more. Serena,
Speaker 1: okay clean? Are you a night owl or an early riser?
Speaker 1: Early riser? All right? Favorite way to work up a sweat?
Speaker 1: Were working out? Well, we're gonna go kind of get
Speaker 1: I know. I was like I thought, but the original
Speaker 1: thought popped in my head. I said, Nope, not there.
Speaker 1: What are your three quality is that you look for
Speaker 1: in a romantic partner, honesty, transparency and just being funny,
Speaker 1: good ones, any guilty pleasures rather than Chipotle. I've messed
Speaker 1: this before. Like, I like candles, so I don't I
Speaker 1: like kind of just lighting up some candles and yeah,
Speaker 1: just and relaxing. Nice. How old were you when you
Speaker 1: had your first kiss? Oh? That thanks you back. It
Speaker 1: was seventh grade and I remember I kissed with my
Speaker 1: hands behind my back. I was so nervous I didn't
Speaker 1: even put my hands on her. It was the most
Speaker 1: awkward kiss and she told everybody the next day at
Speaker 1: school that I was a terrible kisser. It was it hurt. Oh,
Speaker 1: you've come a long way from kissing the hands behind
Speaker 1: the back to being the bad storm kissing thirty women. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you make it. I'm glad they're Yeah. So I've heard
Speaker 1: people don't like the kissing noises. That's the whole other conversation. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I can't control that one. Well, they can turn their
Speaker 1: volume down. Do you want kids someday? Yes? Who is
Speaker 1: your best friend from Boucher Nation? Brandon? And last, but
Speaker 1: not least, do you believe in aliens? Oh? What a
Speaker 1: closing question? And I can't explain indetail oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: because I want Yeah, I believe in extra extraterrestrial life.
Speaker 1: Do I think it's intelligent? I don't know, I'll believe
Speaker 1: it that. Okay, Okay, Actually I have one more question
Speaker 1: that's not here written down, but I need to ask
Speaker 1: it because somebody asked me this and it was so good.
Speaker 1: What is something about you that people know about you
Speaker 1: that you wish they didn't Oh? Man, well, I'm like
Speaker 1: an open book. So everything I say it just like
Speaker 1: it's like I throw it out there regardless, something that
Speaker 1: people know I wish they didn't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll say the freestyle rapping, because now everybody wants
Speaker 1: me to rap on their like in podcast or in interviews,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, it was mainly a joke. Although my teammates,
Speaker 1: my teammates in college and when I briefly was an
Speaker 1: NFL people back me up like I brought it, Like
Speaker 1: I definitely brought the energy. But now it's like it's
Speaker 1: people like they expect me to be really good. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I didn't sound it was good at freestyle and I
Speaker 1: just said I'd like to do it. Do you want
Speaker 1: to do? You want to do it? Right? Now see
Speaker 1: now was coming get on cameo and people. Yeah, birthday raps,
Speaker 1: they can order Christmas raps, Valentine's Day raps. Oh, I
Speaker 1: can bring it. Yeah, I get if I get to
Speaker 1: pick my own beats. Yeah, those are big words for
Speaker 1: somebody who keeps saying they can bring it and then
Speaker 1: they won't do it on our podcast. I'm a little
Speaker 1: bit offended the story and I was. I was viving
Speaker 1: with it. It was pretty good. Okay, thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought that was decent. I had brought that out
Speaker 1: the wood works after shelving it for for a year
Speaker 1: or two, Like I used to bust it out a
Speaker 1: lot more of it. I'm happing. You know, we're going
Speaker 1: to have you on Boucher Happier or again, I'm sure
Speaker 1: for the finale, So be prepared you we're going to
Speaker 1: have to freestyle rap with categories of our choosing okay,
Speaker 1: all your season really, Oh my gosh, that's like for
Speaker 1: good rappers. Good rappers can do that. Here, we'll prep
Speaker 1: you a good well, I'll send them to you in advance. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll ask we will ask our followers for different category suggestions,
Speaker 1: and then we'll each pick two that you have to
Speaker 1: wrap too. Okay, you got a couple of weeks, so
Speaker 1: you got time, Todd. Are you guys going to beat
Speaker 1: box for me? Oh yeah, well we will work the beatbox. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you guys beat if you guys beat box or
Speaker 1: get me just any type of beat. I cannot do it. Acapella,
Speaker 1: please do put me through that. We can do it.
Speaker 1: It was like, I'm not part of this. I will
Speaker 1: throw it up on YouTube. It's a team efforts. If
Speaker 1: we're gonna put me on the spot, we're putting you
Speaker 1: guys on the spot. Okay, okay, we're all in this
Speaker 1: to get on the side. We're gonna be having a
Speaker 1: traditional Oh my schedule will be blocked off. Clayton, this
Speaker 1: has been such a pleasure having you on. I'm glad
Speaker 1: that we just got to know you so much more,
Speaker 1: how you're handling this new world that you found yourself
Speaker 1: in social media, all of that. Before we let you go,
Speaker 1: we ask all of our guests this, it's our number
Speaker 1: one burning question so far. What has been your rose
Speaker 1: and what has been your thorn as your time as
Speaker 1: the bachelor? So, oh gosh, it's like pretty reflective, isn't it.
Speaker 1: It could be fine. It can be light or I
Speaker 1: would say, yeah. The rose would be everyone that I've
Speaker 1: met along the way has truly impacted me in a
Speaker 1: way where I am forever thankful and I've grown so
Speaker 1: much as an individual, and so that's definitely the rose.
Speaker 1: The thorn would be my curiosity, which will kill me
Speaker 1: at some point if I don't step step away from
Speaker 1: everything and just take a breather. Yes, good ones, good ones. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, Clayton, thank you for joining us. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to have you back. Can't we to just watch
Speaker 1: you as your story unfolds. Yes, we are thoroughly enjoying
Speaker 1: your season. And I know that there are so many
Speaker 1: trolls out there, but just know that you have two
Speaker 1: huge fans right here. Well, thank you so much. It's
Speaker 1: so fun talking to you all. I obviously ran out
Speaker 1: of time. We're all long winded for the most part,
Speaker 1: so I'm sure I'll talk to you guys again. But
Speaker 1: thank you guys. It was really fun. Thanks Clayton, good
Speaker 1: to see you. Thanks Clayton, A yell again, I mean
Speaker 1: next time. Oh, he is such a pleasure. See this
Speaker 1: is I hope people listening in enjoy these sorts of podcasts,
Speaker 1: because now you can't say you don't know who Clayton is.
Speaker 1: We just handed him. Do you want to platter people?
Speaker 1: I mean, I've met him before, I've watched this season,
Speaker 1: but I feel like just in this last hour, we
Speaker 1: have learned so much more about him. He is his
Speaker 1: thoughts on the drama this season, and I like him
Speaker 1: even more now I do too, and he what I
Speaker 1: like after chatting with him is you know, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: been getting backlash and he's been having to deal with
Speaker 1: people saying some terrible things. But he seems so self aware,
Speaker 1: Like he seems he recognizes issues or areas maybe in
Speaker 1: which he didn't perform at his best, or he would
Speaker 1: have done something different, but he realizes that and he's like,
Speaker 1: I would have done that differently, or I take myself
Speaker 1: or I hold myself accountable for that whatever it might be,
Speaker 1: which is I think very refreshing because enough people don't
Speaker 1: do that, I would say. So it seems like he's
Speaker 1: taking this all in stride. I know it's not easy
Speaker 1: to be going through what he's going through, especially when
Speaker 1: the season is so early on. I mean, we still
Speaker 1: have weeks to see this entire journey with him and
Speaker 1: all of these women. So there's a lot more that
Speaker 1: we still have yet to learn. Serena, I want to
Speaker 1: wrap this up by asking you, because we always ask
Speaker 1: our guests this, but I feel like we should just
Speaker 1: start answering it on our own too because it's so important.
Speaker 1: But so far this season, what has been your rose
Speaker 1: and what has been your thorn? Oof? That's a toughie, Okay,
Speaker 1: let me think I'll start with the thorn. I think
Speaker 1: the moment this season that really impacted me in a
Speaker 1: negative way the most was watching Cheney talk very openly
Speaker 1: and negatively about Elizabeth's ADHD. That was really disappointing to watch.
Speaker 1: And I hope that she has watched it back and
Speaker 1: reflected and learned from that. And again shout out to Elizabeth.
Speaker 1: I know I talked about her last him on the podcast,
Speaker 1: but she handled that so well. And then I think,
Speaker 1: my rose, I'm gonna have to go. And I know
Speaker 1: that this is kind of like not fully a moment
Speaker 1: on the show, but I just love the memes this season.
Speaker 1: I love every season, but like we're episode two, the
Speaker 1: show has been so wild already and the memes have
Speaker 1: been popping off. I meanter now, so like I'm scrolling
Speaker 1: through as well, and oh my gosh, it's just it's
Speaker 1: just chaos already. It is it is castle already. I
Speaker 1: would have to agree about the thorn. I definitely would
Speaker 1: have to say just seeing the conversation between Shane and
Speaker 1: Elizabeth about the ADHD has been it was very disheartening,
Speaker 1: but I hope again everyone can learn. I would also
Speaker 1: say overall a thorn, So I'm just gonna leave it
Speaker 1: the same as you and I would say my rose
Speaker 1: right now is just it seems like it's a lot
Speaker 1: of firsts again. And I will say because it seems
Speaker 1: like we're finally back at the mansion. There's like this
Speaker 1: new zest in the group of women when they finally
Speaker 1: move in, and it's Clayton's first time there, it's really
Speaker 1: his first time watching any of this back. It just
Speaker 1: it seems like there's like these special magical moments that
Speaker 1: I feel like we were kind of like a missing energy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, we have a new host who's bringing this
Speaker 1: whole new life to the show as well, which has
Speaker 1: been fun. So I would say that it is just
Speaker 1: a lot of fun first and I feel like the
Speaker 1: show's kind of coming back to what it once was,
Speaker 1: which I appreciate. Yeah. So, ladies and gents, thank you
Speaker 1: all for tuning in again this week. Thank you for
Speaker 1: being with me again, Serena. It's always such a blast
Speaker 1: with you. I absolutely love it. And an even bigger
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Speaker 1: much again for having me Becca. Thank you to our
Speaker 1: wonderful guest Clayton. He was such a great time to
Speaker 1: interview and thank you to our listeners. We are excited
Speaker 1: to see you next week, Bie guys. M