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Speaker 1: Hey, Hurdler's Emily Abadie. Here.

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Speaker 2: You are listening to episode eighty five of Hurdle, a

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Speaker 2: podcast that talks to everyone from entrepreneurs to top CEOs

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Speaker 2: and athletes about how they've gotten through tough times hurdles

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Speaker 2: of sorts by leaning into wellness. Today, I'm bringing you

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Speaker 2: my conversation with Kelly Cortinez. She's the vice president of

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Speaker 2: Global product at the north Face. I was able to

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Speaker 2: sit down with Kelly when I was in Denver earlier

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Speaker 2: this month.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into it, I want to take a

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Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about Kelly Guys. Kelly is the

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Speaker 2: epitome of who I would want my boss to be.

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Speaker 2: She has had the most impressive career path, going from

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Speaker 2: Abercrombie to under Armour and now to the North Face

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Speaker 2: where she oversees global product. I know that sounds like

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Speaker 2: a big deal, and that's because it is. What I

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Speaker 2: love the most about this woman is that she's just

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Speaker 2: so down to earth and she tells it like it is.

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Speaker 2: In today's episode, she gets really honest about what it

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Speaker 2: was like to uproot her family, including her two young sons,

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Speaker 2: She gets honest about the challenges that come hand in

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Speaker 2: a leader as well.

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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of the time we talk about

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Speaker 2: In the episode, they say that leaders eat lass and

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Speaker 2: that it's so important, of course to show up for

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Speaker 1: But the reality is.

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Speaker 2: As many of us know, that you have to put

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Speaker 2: other people. So Kelly talks about learning how to do that,

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Speaker 2: what she did to get back to herself, from yoga

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Speaker 2: to meditation to literally climbing mountains appropriate for her job

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Speaker 2: at the North Face, and she also talks about her goals,

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Speaker 2: her aspirations, and what it's like to be one of

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Speaker 2: her company. Listen to Nick Kelly has interviewed the second

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Speaker 2: time around. It made me think that this is really

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Speaker 2: the kind of insight that we don't get into often

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Speaker 2: Podcast at Emily Body, if you have a Hurdle moment

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Speaker 2: of your own to share, just want to say HI,

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Speaker 2: feel free to always reach out to me. It's Emily

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Speaker 2: at Hurdle dot Us. I can't believe we're approaching two

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Speaker 2: years of Hurdle and every single time I look at

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Speaker 2: of all of the hard work, all of the interactions

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Speaker 2: from and where we're going and with that, let's get

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Speaker 1: Today.

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting down with Kelly Courtina. She's the vice president

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Speaker 2: of global product at the North Face. Hey, Hi, how

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Speaker 2: are you. I'm am to be in Denver, first time.

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Speaker 3: Welcome, Thank you, just in time for the snow.

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Speaker 1: How are you liking Denver?

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Speaker 4: I love Denver. My life has gotten a lot easier

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Speaker 4: since moving to Denver.

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Speaker 2: Everyone that I know that moves here actually says the

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Speaker 2: same thing, and it's the stress thing. A lot of

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Speaker 2: people I know that relocated came from the stress capital

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Speaker 2: very different world it is.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's definitely a slower pace. Access to the

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Speaker 4: out of the city easily, which is a lot different

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Speaker 4: for anyone coming from the Northeast or West coast. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean your weekends are you know, a lot of

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Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. Okay, So you're new to Denver and

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Speaker 2: we'll get to that in just a little bit. But

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Speaker 2: I want to know a little bit about where you

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Speaker 3: So I'm from the Northeast.

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Speaker 4: I grew up in Connecticut where Connecticut, right outside of

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Speaker 1: Keep going, I'm I'm from Trumbull.

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Speaker 4: Okay, perfect. So I went to high school in New

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, my mom's my mom's in Milford now, Oh excellent.

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Speaker 1: So Connectic get through and through it.

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Speaker 1: So I grew up in Connecticut.

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Speaker 4: I went to college in upstate New York, so very

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Speaker 4: familiar with the snow and long long winters at Colgate University.

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Speaker 4: And then shortly after Colgate, you know, I went and

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Speaker 4: I worked at Evercrombie and Fitch, which is in Columbus, Ohio.

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Speaker 1: Okay, what'd you go to college for?

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Speaker 4: Was going to law school, and I totally took a

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Speaker 2: And so your first job was at Abercrombie. Yeah, what

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Speaker 4: So Abercrombie had at the time a merchandising program, so

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Speaker 4: their young merchants for the Hollister brand just after it started.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I haven't heard the word Hollister a long time.

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Speaker 3: I certainly haven't Warren Hollister.

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Speaker 1: Ye, but I have. You know what I have done,

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Speaker 1: I have Warren Abercromby.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like they're they're recent resurgence of Abercromby

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Speaker 2: for the adult market is legitimate.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they've really they've rebranded and they're Yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 4: really interesting what they're doing because they were down for

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Speaker 4: a while and they're they're starting to come back.

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Speaker 1: We'll see, we'll see. Okay.

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Speaker 2: So obviously where we are now is a long way

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Speaker 2: from where you were. So what happens after Abercrombie.

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Speaker 4: So, you know, Abercrobi was a great experience and I really, like,

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Speaker 2: What is life like at this point outside of work

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Speaker 1: Are you? Are you an active person? What are you doing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so at that time, I mean I was you know,

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Speaker 4: doing triathlons, I was doing half marathons, and just really

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Speaker 4: enjoying gym life as well. And that really fit well with,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so when you talk about like doing these things

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Speaker 2: with your partner, what would you say, like, where was

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Speaker 4: Well, we actually got engaged on the West Coast, So

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Speaker 4: California and that's where he proposed and so yeah, so

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Speaker 4: we had done you know, a few races together and

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Speaker 4: then had planned this trip to the West Coast, which

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Speaker 4: and that was it. So that was probably our most

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Speaker 2: Okay, the West Coast. Did you think that you would

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Speaker 4: You know, we my husband had lived in Portland, Oregon.

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Speaker 4: We were very curious about extending west because we were

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Speaker 4: both East Coasters and you know, certainly captivated with the landscape,

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Speaker 4: I got a call from the North Face. O.

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Speaker 2: But fifteen years at under Armour is a long time,

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Speaker 4: and so it went a little bit smoother. And and

445
00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:50,040
Speaker 4: I think, you know, we weren't naive and understanding that

446
00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,560
Speaker 4: this would be something that could be difficult for them

447
00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:56,520
Speaker 4: to accept, not necessarilyarily an adventure because they had made

448
00:19:56,560 --> 00:19:59,480
Speaker 4: friends already and so yeah, so we learned through it

449
00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:02,280
Speaker 4: as parents, for sure, but we're closer as a family because.

450
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:02,720
Speaker 1: Of it totally.

451
00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 2: And I think what's interesting, and I mean, like woman

452
00:20:06,040 --> 00:20:08,480
Speaker 2: to woman, I feel like we all have a tendency

453
00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,680
Speaker 2: to handle so much and take so much on our plate.

454
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,800
Speaker 2: So not only are you trying to navigate like what

455
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,959
Speaker 2: this means for your family and your personal life, but

456
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,520
Speaker 2: you're also again like starting a new job, which is

457
00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 2: a big job. So talk to me about how you're

458
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,600
Speaker 2: finding any sort of balance with making sure that.

459
00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,760
Speaker 1: You're doing everything to the best of your ability.

460
00:20:30,359 --> 00:20:33,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, so, I mean I think, well, I don't know,

461
00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:37,600
Speaker 4: balance is loosely defined these days, because I think it's

462
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,600
Speaker 4: it's hard. I mean, you're constantly navigating change as you know,

463
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,760
Speaker 4: a full time working mom, and you know your job changes,

464
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,920
Speaker 4: and then your kids grow and you know there's always

465
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,440
Speaker 4: something else you didn't kind of see coming. But yeah,

466
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,240
Speaker 4: it was definitely a challenge because you know, you're dealing

467
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 4: with this stuff at home. You're trying to like, you know,

468
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,640
Speaker 4: make sure that's as stress free as possible, that everybody's

469
00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 4: all right, and then you're trying to, you know, make

470
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:07,400
Speaker 4: sure that you're communicating, you're letting your team know what's

471
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,719
Speaker 4: going on. You're trying to help them through this, but

472
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:13,760
Speaker 4: you know they're also accepting new news and nobody has

473
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,399
Speaker 4: a textbook for this like nobody knows what the rules

474
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:20,159
Speaker 4: of engagement are to kind of help people through, and

475
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:23,199
Speaker 4: so it's really challenging. And then I think as a leader,

476
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:27,640
Speaker 4: you're often left alone, you know, like you're checking in,

477
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,120
Speaker 4: but you know nobody's really checking in with you, right

478
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,680
Speaker 4: because you really have that role to help get everybody

479
00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,360
Speaker 4: through it. So yeah, extremely challenging, I think, and definitely

480
00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 4: probably the hardest thing I've been through in my career.

481
00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:41,840
Speaker 1: I mean, and super overwhelming.

482
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, just the idea of like everyone always says leaders

483
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,040
Speaker 2: eat lass. But then it's also like, if you don't

484
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 2: put your oxygen mask on first, then how are you

485
00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 2: supposed to be there for everybody else around you? So

486
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 2: was there anything specific during this transition that you felt

487
00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 2: like was like you like reaching for the oxygen matter

488
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 2: to give back to yourself.

489
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I would say, you know, there were

490
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 4: definitely some moments personally where you know, I had to

491
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 4: really like take take some time, and and I I

492
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:15,399
Speaker 4: relied on the council of really good friends, you know

493
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 4: I have. I'm lucky to have a few mentors in

494
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 4: my professional life that are just they've seen many things

495
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 4: and they've been able to be like you know, coaches

496
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 4: and compassionate and.

497
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 3: You know, they get it.

498
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 4: They get the feelings that come with the pressure and

499
00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:35,960
Speaker 4: the expectations that you sometimes put on yourself. Right, So,

500
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 4: so yeah, so I had to I had to recalibrate

501
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 4: quite a bit. And so I would say that it,

502
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 4: you know, reached a point where it was like, all right,

503
00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 4: I got to figure out how to how to do

504
00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:46,240
Speaker 4: this better?

505
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:47,359
Speaker 3: And and I.

506
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 2: Think it's really hard when you feel like you don't

507
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 2: want to ask for help but understand that you can't

508
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 2: do it by yourself.

509
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

510
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:57,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think you know, you know, vulnerability is

511
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:01,200
Speaker 4: sort of a you know, I guess a popular word

512
00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 4: right now, but it's true, like you have to like

513
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:07,400
Speaker 4: learn that vulnerability. I don't think it comes naturally, especially

514
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 4: when you're trying to get so much done and you know,

515
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 4: you're dealing with home life and work life. But yeah,

516
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,199
Speaker 4: there was definitely a moment where I had to just

517
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 4: sort of like give up a little bit and just say, okay,

518
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,440
Speaker 4: how to let's think of new ways to get through this.

519
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 4: And that was sort of a breakthrough for me.

520
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: When you gave up a little bit, what happens next?

521
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 4: You know, you feel this great sense of relief. You know,

522
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 4: you don't have to have it all together. I think

523
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 4: it's very natural, or at least what I experienced is,

524
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 4: you know, you compartmentalize a little bit, like okay, family's okay,

525
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 4: we're getting through this, move news and now focus on work,

526
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,399
Speaker 4: and you end up, you know, not really doing everything

527
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 4: as as as you'd like. And so so yeah, I

528
00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 4: think once once you're able to kind of reflect and

529
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 4: know that it's going to be alright, trust that it's

530
00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,119
Speaker 4: going to be alright, have confidence in yourself and believe

531
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 4: in yourself because there's a lot of uncertainty that comes

532
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 4: with navigating change, Like you don't know am I doing

533
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 4: the right thing? I thought I was doing the right thing.

534
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 4: I'm not sure. You're kind of damned if you do,

535
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 4: damned if you don't. And and so I think when

536
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 4: you do release a little bit and just sort of

537
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 4: kind of expose yourself, and I, you know, I've done

538
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 4: that and I feel like I learned a lot through it.

539
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Speaker 1: So the family moves to Dunver.

540
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:26,840
Speaker 3: How is that it's good?

541
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,439
Speaker 4: I mean we've been fortunate our kids have have you know,

542
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 4: developed socially. I think they're able to accle me, and

543
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 4: but you know, staffing a new team and you know,

544
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 4: bringing moving a team and then fully staffing a team

545
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 4: is you know, a new challenge. And then of course

546
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 4: getting those teams to work really closely together and and

547
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 4: figuring out what like the future looks like. Those are

548
00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 4: you know things that again, there's no textbook for this.

549
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 4: There's lots of like insights, but it forces you to

550
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 4: slow down, like you can't just get stuff done anymore.

551
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 4: You can't just you know, there's no speed to it, right, like,

552
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 4: because every day is a little bit different and something

553
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 4: happens you didn't predict or you have to constantly recalibrate.

554
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, so when you come to Denver you are one

555
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 2: of and correct if I'm wrong, But like a few

556
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,159
Speaker 2: women at your level in the company, I feel like

557
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 2: that in itself can also be a little bit overwhelming.

558
00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think, yeah, there's there's definitely at least I

559
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 4: you know, I certainly have felt, you know, a sense

560
00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 4: of extra responsibility.

561
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 3: I would say as as a female leader.

562
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 4: You know, when you're when you're a minority, I mean

563
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 4: I think that you know, it really does put a

564
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 4: little bit of extra pressure on you to have you know,

565
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 4: a voice that resonates to represent to you know, feel

566
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 4: some urgency around accelerating change, to create more diversity and

567
00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 4: see other other people in your role or have a

568
00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 4: partner at the table. Yeah, those are all really real things.

569
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 4: Then to add sort of an extra sense of responsibility.

570
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 2: And so this is in June when you're moving your

571
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 2: family here and I remember you telling me that within

572
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: the same week of moving them, you like also had

573
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: the opportunity to do a summit of Mount Baker with

574
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Speaker 2: all of these.

575
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, with the whole team.

576
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so back to balance.

577
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it was like this was sort of

578
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,720
Speaker 4: like the peak of you know, like this is my life.

579
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 3: You know.

580
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 4: We we were leaving California. We were on our way

581
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 4: to Denver, so we were moving out of our house

582
00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:42,719
Speaker 4: and you know, literally in the same week we were

583
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 4: moving out of our house, we were saying goodbye to

584
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 4: our community. I was on a plane to you know,

585
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 4: do this incredible summit with our executive team of Mount

586
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,120
Speaker 4: Baker in Washington.

587
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 3: And you know, we did it. It was amazing.

588
00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 4: I was, you know, the only woman that summitted, which

589
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:04,159
Speaker 4: was also kind of incredible. Just that feeling of feeling

590
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 4: that again, that responsibility that you know, I'm going to

591
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 4: make it to the top, and all while I'm thinking

592
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 4: about my son's last day of school, which would be

593
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 4: the following day that I'm flying home for to go

594
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 4: to their school play, and you know, get back and

595
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 4: finish the work week. And so this is like, you know,

596
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:25,560
Speaker 4: within five days, you're summoning you know, you know, over

597
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 4: ten thousand feet and you know, getting back to real life, yeah, which.

598
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 3: Is sort of surreal.

599
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 4: And then you realize when you're back in real life,

600
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 4: this is not everybody's day to day and so which

601
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 4: can also make you feel like a little bit like

602
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 4: an outsider.

603
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: Like how am I doing that?

604
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I'm not sure I'm doing it?

605
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, but like where then?

606
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: So obviously, like the activity of summoning is probably helpful

607
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: in that it's like a little bit of a stress reliever,

608
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 2: but how else are you finding that you are coming

609
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: back to yourself during all of this when you're literally

610
00:27:58,080 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 2: like where.

611
00:27:58,800 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: Is the time?

612
00:27:59,680 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 3: Yeah?

613
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,680
Speaker 4: I mean I will say after that, I was able

614
00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 4: to take a two week vacation, which was you know needed.

615
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 4: So you know, I think just certainly what I've learned

616
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 4: through my career is like rest and recovery is really

617
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,480
Speaker 4: important because you're putting so much emotionally and physically into

618
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:16,360
Speaker 4: what you're doing, and.

619
00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 3: That takes a lot of mental strength.

620
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 4: And so definitely after that, you know, I knew I needed,

621
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 4: you know, to rest so that I could recharge a bit.

622
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,919
Speaker 2: I feel like in this scenario, though, it's kind of

623
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: going back to what we were talking about about not

624
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: wanting to ask for help. So it's like, so much

625
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: is happening at this moment, and you're moving your ome family,

626
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 2: and you're trying to show up at your job because

627
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 2: you want to be like a strong woman. And in

628
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 2: all of that, I find that when everything feels like

629
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 2: it's piling on me and then I don't ask for help,

630
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 2: it's when I feel like the most alone. And I

631
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 2: also realize that it doesn't matter if it's like I

632
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,959
Speaker 2: so like, I am a thirty one year old New

633
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 2: Yorker at single by myself, and you are a mother

634
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: of two with a husband and like this huge role

635
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: at this big company. But the thing that we have

636
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: in common is that we probably both feel really alone sometimes.

637
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

638
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's I was actually thinking about this the other day,

639
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 4: and I think it it really you know, like I

640
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 4: said before, I've relied on really you know, close friends

641
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 4: that have inspired me. But when you are feeling alone,

642
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 4: you want to reach out, like you want someone to

643
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,320
Speaker 4: talk with, and but you also want someone that can

644
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 4: relate to some of the things you're going through, and

645
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 4: so you end up having to sort of seek out

646
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 4: a network, you know, seek out tools, you know, because

647
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 4: there's when there's few people that you feel like you

648
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,719
Speaker 4: can relate to, it's it is really hard. I mean,

649
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 4: I've sometimes had the urge to maybe write or like

650
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 4: you know, somehow find ways to sort of express myself.

651
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 4: I have definitely gotten more into yoga, like definitely ways

652
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 4: to sort of reflect and process. You end up finding

653
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 4: new vices. I guess kind of help you through that.

654
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 4: But I think for me, I just you know, I

655
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 4: want if that's if I can learn through that and

656
00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 4: share that with other people too. I think that's really

657
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 4: important because then you can kind of help people through

658
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 4: it because I don't think, you know, I didn't always

659
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 4: have that voice reassuring me, use your voice, keep going.

660
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 4: And I think that's really important for people to hear

661
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 4: that are young in their careers because you might feel alone,

662
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 4: but you may not really be alone.

663
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Speaker 2: It's important as a leader to almost it's like, I

664
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 2: see the benefit of both sides, right. It's like we're

665
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 2: talking about like putting your oxygen mask on first and

666
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: then helping everybody else, and like being strong for your

667
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 2: team and like helping them out and not really alluding

668
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 2: to the fact that you're like what the hell is

669
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 2: going on? But sometimes it's like you have to say

670
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:47,240
Speaker 2: what the hell is going on? And like can we

671
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: have a meeting of the mind, yeah, and be like,

672
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 2: all right, are you guys all also really stressed out?

673
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 2: Because this is a.

674
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: Lot right now.

675
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean I'm sure the team becomes then

676
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 2: better for it. It's just how do you have that

677
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: kind of conversation where it's not, oh my god, no

678
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 2: one knows what's going on here?

679
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think, you know, one of the

680
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 4: breakthroughs I think recently for us, and you know, with

681
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 4: my team in particulars you know, we we acknowledge that,

682
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 4: like we acknowledge that, hey, we're in uncharted territory. We're

683
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 4: all like living through this awesome change and we're building

684
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 4: the future. So that's something to really focus on. But hey,

685
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,959
Speaker 4: we're all in it together. So forget titles and all

686
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 4: of that, Like we are all going through personal life

687
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 4: change and figuring out how to establish ourselves and so,

688
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 4: you know, I think this idea of like it's not

689
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 4: just up to the leader to get people to the

690
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 4: next you know, wherever they're going. It's like the whole

691
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 4: team really has to help out. And so I guess

692
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 4: a breakthrough for us recently was like we solicited that

693
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 4: from the team, like, hey, we need you, like, you know,

694
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 4: we're all better for it because it is lonely at

695
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 4: the top.

696
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely.

697
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 2: I mean so then talk to me exactly what does

698
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: a VP of Global product.

699
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 3: Do just on the day to day.

700
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I mean I think we're we're always looking

701
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 4: to be you know, to make obviously industry leading product,

702
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 4: so we're always you know, curating that next innovation. We're

703
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 4: always thinking about how to resonate with the consumer and

704
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,320
Speaker 4: solve their problems. So that's just a constant thread that's

705
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 4: through literally every conversation. But we're really taking you know,

706
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 4: ideas from concept to store to site, so we're really

707
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 4: thinking about that entire product creation cycle. But you know

708
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 4: with that also comes you know, you want to be

709
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 4: faster to market. So new processes, implementing and you know,

710
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 4: new ways of doing things, like being on the forefront

711
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 4: is always an effort that we're focused on.

712
00:32:39,880 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 3: So you know, constant change, constant innovation.

713
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 4: No day is the same, and but it's exciting because

714
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 4: you get to be like living your product. You're with

715
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,239
Speaker 4: your consumer all the time, and you know, it's it's

716
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 4: a privilege.

717
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: Where do you think that you get your best ideas?

718
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 4: Definitely like out in you know, in whether it's the

719
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 4: mountains or you know, just being outside or just giving

720
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 4: yourself space to kind of think about, you know, the

721
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 4: product you're wearing and how could it be better? And

722
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 4: so I think I really think all of the truth

723
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 4: lies with the consumer. I mean, we can idate all

724
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 4: day long inside, but if we're not talking with the consumer,

725
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 4: talking with athletes, really understanding what their needs are, you know,

726
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 4: we're not going to be able to solve their problems.

727
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 4: And so many great marketing ideas come from that conversation too.

728
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,959
Speaker 4: Like it's one thing to solve the problem, but if

729
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 4: you can't communicate around it and really like you know,

730
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 4: resonate with your consumer, you know you're not going to

731
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 4: be You could miss and so I think that the

732
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 4: being able to have that easy conversation with them is

733
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 4: comes through some of that research too.

734
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Speaker 1: How does that look different now that you're in Denver?

735
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,960
Speaker 4: Well, in Denver, I mean we've already been able to

736
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 4: like get out in the field so much easier. So

737
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 4: we've you know, done you know, several off sites with

738
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 4: our teams, our teams already with the athletes. Like the

739
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 4: accessibility in Denver is it's a little bit easier than California,

740
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 4: which was part of the vision of bringing all of

741
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 4: our outdoor brands here. But you know, we're living it now,

742
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 4: so it's it's exciting. I mean, you're already seeing people

743
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 4: are already they see the first snow, they're already getting

744
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,240
Speaker 4: in the mountains. They can't wait for you know, ski season,

745
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 4: and so we I think we're going to be able

746
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,439
Speaker 4: to be more in touch with our consumer for being here.

747
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: Would you say that? So how long have we been

748
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: in number now?

749
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Speaker 3: Gosh, it's only been three months.

750
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a quick around time.

751
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 2: Three months okay, so three months in how do we

752
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: feel on the like, oh my god, I'm overwhelmed scale.

753
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 3: I think we're settling in now.

754
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 4: So yeah, I think that initial overwhelmedness probably comes as

755
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 4: you're moving. You don't know where your stuff is, You're

756
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 4: trying to like find a place to live. And and

757
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 4: now we're seeing that, you know, we're almost complete with

758
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 4: our hiring and we're starting to get you know, people

759
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 4: are settling, so which is which is really fun because

760
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 4: there's this whole socialization of just people that are energized

761
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 4: to be with the brand and chart this future together.

762
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 3: And so yeah, it's almost like startup mode. It's really cool.

763
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: How does your day to day look different here than

764
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 2: it did in California? And I mean I'm sure so

765
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: much different than when you were on the East Coast.

766
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I mean here like definitely as a leader,

767
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 4: like there's there's a big build piece of of the

768
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,839
Speaker 4: role now right like thinking ahead and how we're going

769
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 4: to start to really like see this future through and

770
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 4: so you know, assembling the team, recruiting for talent, evolving

771
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 4: you know, a diverse pool of talent, and so that's

772
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 4: that's a big part of the focus right now, is

773
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 4: really setting up for the future, and then you know,

774
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 4: giving the leaders that we have within the teams the

775
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 4: opportunity to actually like you know, build their team. So

776
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 4: it's you know, it's really about empowerment and making sure

777
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,839
Speaker 4: that like we're really like setting up this opportunity for

778
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 4: everyone to grow.

779
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,959
Speaker 1: And then from a lifestyle perspective, like what's different here?

780
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 4: So I would say just the you know, there's an

781
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,919
Speaker 4: easiness to Denver that you probably don't get in the Bay.

782
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,359
Speaker 4: You know, it's a little less congested, you can get

783
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 4: places faster, that hurdle of traffic isn't as big of

784
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 4: a deal. So you know, I think, you know, personally,

785
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 4: we're very settled in a great community. You know, easy

786
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 4: access to parks, easy access to the mountains, easy access

787
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:19,959
Speaker 4: to work. So you know, I would just say there's

788
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 4: just like a slower pace definitely than compared to the

789
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 4: Eastern or West Coast.

790
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 2: And then for you guys, what is like what's happening

791
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 2: on the weekends. Then if we're so close to all

792
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: of this nature.

793
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 4: Well, personally, I'm at a lot of hockey games on

794
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 4: the weekends, so we are already embedded in the hockey

795
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 4: and lacrosse communities. I am raising two young sons who

796
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 4: are you know, little athletes. But you know, when the

797
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 4: season dies down, we're definitely gonna spend our holidays in

798
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 4: the mountains and and get them out there, and we're

799
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,800
Speaker 4: excited for that. And we're just exploring. I mean we've

800
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 4: we've been to Denver and Vale over the years, but

801
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 4: you know, in terms of like exploring Greater Colorado and

802
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 4: all the amazing places to go, Like that's you know,

803
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 4: kind of our bucket list right now.

804
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: I was just going to ask you, so, like what's

805
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: on the bucket list?

806
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, so winter Park for Thanksgiving, that's sort of the

807
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 3: next step for us.

808
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, amazing.

809
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 2: Talk to me about what's next aside from you know,

810
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: our Thanksgiving plans, Like what's what's on your radar? What's

811
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: next for you, either personally or professionally, Like what is

812
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 2: it that you want to do?

813
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think you know, I had this,

814
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 4: you know, a few years back. I really reflected on

815
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 4: my career. I had kind of had that experience of

816
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 4: like slamming into the glass ceiling, like it was hit

817
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 4: me in the face. I had accelerated and ascended and

818
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 4: things were going really well and and then I really

819
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 4: like slammed into it. And so that really forced me

820
00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 4: to like really think about, Okay, something doesn't feel right here,

821
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 4: How do I want to chart my own career because

822
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 4: it is not only up to you know, the people

823
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 4: that are around me, but also myself. You know, it's

824
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 4: up to me on what I do.

825
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 3: And so.

826
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 4: You know, that reflection allowed me to focus more on

827
00:37:57,840 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 4: how I can be a bigger advocate for women in

828
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 4: the work place and start to you know, be a voice,

829
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 4: so a sort of a fearless voice. I would say, like,

830
00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 4: it's really important to be fearless, to use your voice

831
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,919
Speaker 4: because you know, I really do believe good can come

832
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 4: when people feel that way. And that's sort of how

833
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 4: I've how I've sort of navigated my career, you know,

834
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 4: in the last few years. So transitioning into not only

835
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 4: like you know, more of an executive role and continuing

836
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 4: to lead in that capacity. You know, you know, I

837
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 4: could see coaching or mentoring being a big part of

838
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,760
Speaker 4: what I do as a leader. And and then however

839
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 4: I can extend into the Denver community to do that

840
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 4: I think would be very fulfilling. So I'm just you know,

841
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 4: I'm I think conversation is great and just you know,

842
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 4: do you realize, like you know, people are looking for,

843
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 4: you know, some inspiration around how to get to the

844
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 4: next step, or just some you know, someone to talk

845
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 4: with to like think through some things. And and I

846
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 4: do find, unfortunately that there are limitations that are sometimes

847
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 4: self imposed. And I hope that I can at least

848
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 4: be a symbol for folks that there are ways to

849
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,120
Speaker 4: kind of break through and the opportunity is yours and

850
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 4: to continue to seek those.

851
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: Out even when you're being like that voice of support

852
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,800
Speaker 2: and motivation for other people. Like where do you find

853
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 2: your motivation from?

854
00:39:16,040 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, I like seeing people succeed.

855
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 4: I mean I think, you know, being an athlete, like

856
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 4: you know, I you know, I loved, you know, playing

857
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 4: for coaches and like really like, you know, seeing teams

858
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 4: get better. And I think when when you see that

859
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 4: and you see you know, high performance and in the

860
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 4: best ways it can, it's very inspiring. So I guess personally,

861
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,800
Speaker 4: I enjoy, you know, seeing that come to fruition with

862
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 4: with individuals or with teams, and so if I can

863
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 4: help others, that's definitely what.

864
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 3: I want to do.

865
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think I didn't always have, you know,

866
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 4: I was so self motivated personally, and I kind of

867
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 4: like if there was a barrier, I broke through it,

868
00:39:56,200 --> 00:39:58,239
Speaker 4: and I was sort of mentally like how I was

869
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,479
Speaker 4: conditioned I think as an athlete, but you know that's

870
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 4: not how everybody operates. And and the world's a different

871
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 4: place now than when I started my career. So I

872
00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 4: see that there's an opportunity like to help guide if

873
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 4: people want that help.

874
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think also that it's like I get

875
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 2: to I get questions a lot from listeners, and it's like.

876
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: How do you stay motivated? And that can be in anything, right.

877
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 2: It can be like in a fitness routine if you're

878
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:24,240
Speaker 2: training for a marathon.

879
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: It can be in the workplace.

880
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Speaker 2: It can be like I'm a freelancer, so people are like,

881
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Speaker 2: how are you continually chasing after.

882
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,320
Speaker 1: Stories and individuals and all the things?

883
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: And when I speak with them, I'm like, you just

884
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 2: need to do things that you're passionate about. Yeah, Because

885
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 2: you're not passionate about it, then yeah, it is going

886
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 2: to be hard to find motivation. So I mean for

887
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Speaker 2: people that come to you and they say, like, how

888
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: do you stay motivated?

889
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: What drives you?

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00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,560
Speaker 4: I mean, I love, like, I'm a very curious person,

891
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,360
Speaker 4: so like I love like finding out new ways to

892
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,759
Speaker 4: do things. So I mean, the problem solving part of

893
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 4: my role is you know, ination at its core, and

894
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 4: that's that's what gets me up in the morning. So

895
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 4: if we can continue to deliver new things for our

896
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Speaker 4: athletes and consumers and like make their lives better, help

897
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Speaker 4: them achieve their goals, I mean that to me is

898
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 4: like our superpower. And that was really what guided me

899
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 4: into the athletic and active industries. Is because you know,

900
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 4: I loved what I was doing at Abercrombie and Fitch.

901
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 4: But the idea of an athlete or someone having their

902
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 4: personal best and the product you made or surviving you know,

903
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 4: we're you know, the product we're building here, like we

904
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 4: are talking about survival and performance and so being able

905
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 4: to provide that is an experience for someone that.

906
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Speaker 3: Is life changing.

907
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 4: And so I guess I mean in some ways, like

908
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 4: we do believe what we're what we're doing here is

909
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Speaker 4: changing lives and inspiring others to have new life experiences.

910
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 3: So that's something I'm passionate about personally.

911
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 4: I mean, continuing to do new things and saying yes

912
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 4: to things I haven't done before because there's tremendous growth

913
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 4: that's come from that. It's not always easy at all,

914
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Speaker 4: what's something you've said yes too recently? Oh gosh, I

915
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 4: mean certainly like getting on board and getting to Colorado

916
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 4: and like you know, moving and I mean that's that

917
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 4: was a big one for me. And just you know,

918
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Speaker 4: I've made a list of things that I'm not done

919
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 4: that I want to do, so, you know, I.

920
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: Feel like people are so scared to do.

921
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, why are we so scared just to like

922
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 2: write down the things that we want?

923
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, because I think, you know, I

924
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 4: had sort of an epiphany two years ago. We were

925
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 4: going on our vacation and I go with you know,

926
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Speaker 4: a group of friends, and we set goals for each

927
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 4: other and like not for each other doing we share

928
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 4: like you got to me, it's an annual vacation, and

929
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 4: we talked about like, hey, what are our goals?

930
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Speaker 3: And it's been cool.

931
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Speaker 4: It's you know, it's a group of couples and everybody's

932
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 4: kind of you know, they've started their own businesses, they've

933
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 4: done you know, new things, and and it's we kind

934
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 4: of encourage each other. Yeah, And so yeah, I learned

935
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 4: that like most often you can achieve what you want

936
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 4: to do. You just have to be bold enough to

937
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 4: say you want to do something, so you know, and

938
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 4: that can be anything. That could be saving up to

939
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 4: get a beach house. That can be you know, surfing

940
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 4: for the first time. That can be like snowboarding somewhere

941
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,479
Speaker 4: you know, like or it can just be like having

942
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 4: that conversation with your manager, but like just say yes, yeah,

943
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 4: like just don't wait and just do it.

944
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

945
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Speaker 2: So you have the opportunity often too, with your teams

946
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 2: inspire a lot of people. What would you say has

947
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 2: been some of the best advice or inspiration that you

948
00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,400
Speaker 2: have gained so far in your career.

949
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think that there's definitely two things that

950
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 4: I rely on that are pretty foundational, and one is

951
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 4: related to business and like being able to predict what's

952
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 4: next is a pretty big part of you know, our

953
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 4: retail culture, like how do you anticipate what the consumer needs?

954
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 4: And so something that I always like share with folks

955
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 4: is like know what you don't know. I mean, often

956
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 4: you hear the saying like I don't know what I

957
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 4: don't know, or we don't know what we don't know.

958
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 4: But I actually believe that you can know what you

959
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 4: don't know, and that should instill sort of a curiosity around,

960
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,880
Speaker 4: you know, being able to sort of problem solve, you know,

961
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,480
Speaker 4: for the consumer ahead of time and think about where

962
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 4: things are moving and trends. And then I think the

963
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 4: other piece of advice I received is use your voice.

964
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Speaker 4: And so someone you know, pretty amazing that I had

965
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Speaker 4: the opportunity to work with. You know, we were talking

966
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 4: about something that we're both dealing with, and you know,

967
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 4: I was sort of delivering that problem to this person

968
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 4: to then go do something about. And then you know,

969
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 4: they looked right back at me and they said, use

970
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 4: your voice. And so I realized in that moment, oh

971
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 4: my gosh, I have the power to use my voice too.

972
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 4: You know, this is not this is not about hierarchy.

973
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 4: This isn't about leaders leading. This is about you know,

974
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 4: people who are passionate and care about the right thing,

975
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 4: you know, speaking up and advocating for themselves.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So the way that I wind down the podcast

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Speaker 2: every time, you have the opportunity right now to offer

979
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 2: yourself one piece of advice when you're going through this

980
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,240
Speaker 2: crazy time of uprooting your family not once but twice

981
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 2: and using essential oils.

982
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: And going to yoga and like kind of figuring out

983
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Speaker 1: how to get through it.

984
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Speaker 2: You have an opportunity right now to offer your solve

985
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Speaker 2: a piece of advice then going through that hurdle moment,

986
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Speaker 2: what do you tell yourself now?

987
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 3: Slow way down?

988
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 4: You know, when I reflect on, you know, being a

989
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 4: planner and being you know, kind of an A type

990
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:14,279
Speaker 4: personality and wanting to get things all lined up, you know,

991
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 4: it's almost like planning a wedding, like something is going

992
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 4: to go wrong and you just have to trust that.

993
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 4: And so I think you have to slow down to

994
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 4: speed up. And it's really important that you give yourself

995
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 4: the opportunity to trust yourself and try to maintain the

996
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 4: balance you need to get through things and surround yourself

997
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 4: with the love and support of your good friends and

998
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 4: family and ask for help.

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Speaker 3: If you need it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for bringing out with me.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Please take a moment and leave a quick review of

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Speaker 2: the podcast by clicking the link with the description to

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Speaker 2: this episode. We all face multiple hurdles in life. I

1005
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Speaker 2: want to hear about yours. Reach out to me at

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Speaker 2: Emily at Hurdle dot You as connect with the podcast

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Speaker 2: on Instagram and Twitter at Hurdle Podcast. How do they

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Speaker 2: keep up with you? Kelly how do they keep up

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Speaker 2: with the north Face. Give me some information.

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Speaker 4: You can find me on LinkedIn at Kelly Cortina and

1011
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 4: then I would say follow the north Face on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: And that's it.

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Speaker 2: I am at Emily a body, another hurdle conquered. Catch

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Speaker 2: you guys next time.