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Speaker 1: San Antonio District judge resigns after a federal corruption probe.

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Speaker 2: A former San Antonio, Texas judge goes to federal prison

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Speaker 2: after pleading guilty to accepting bribes in exchange for rigging

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Speaker 2: cases in his court. Angus McGuinty committed the ultimate judicial sin.

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Speaker 3: Why did you do it? I did it because I

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Speaker 3: was foolish.

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Speaker 2: Listen to How to Bribe a Judge on Revolver podcast

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Speaker 4: The John Nick and Kenny Florian podcasts, Dary Kenny Florian,

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Speaker 4: you're your hosts, John Anick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 3: Great to be back with you.

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Speaker 5: Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, Monday May twenty first,

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Speaker 5: the year is twenty eighteen, five days away from a

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Speaker 5: big birthday for Kenflow. By the way, Oh that's right,

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Speaker 5: Episode one fifty six today Annik and Florian podcast. So

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Speaker 5: most of you and Jess the podcast with audio and

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Speaker 5: not video. But if you are watching this on Fox

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Speaker 5: sports dot com or YouTube dot com in the United States,

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Speaker 5: I am in my daughter's bedroom today. Last week I

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Speaker 5: was at my mother's house. Today in my daughter Riley's bedroom.

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Speaker 5: So the backdrop is what it is, Ken flow all

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Speaker 5: blacked out in La buddy.

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Speaker 1: That's right man, a little musical chairs. You got some

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Speaker 1: construction work going on over there.

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Speaker 5: At the end of Yeah, we're in a bathroom and

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Speaker 5: you know, my good man Howard, who's a huge UFC fan.

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Speaker 5: Oh nice, by the way, he just said this would

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Speaker 5: be the quietest room. So I'm rolling the dice and

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Speaker 5: he turned the reggae off for now. So he's given

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Speaker 5: me about an hour and fifteen minutes music free. So

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Speaker 5: for you right off the desk, I mean, do you

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Speaker 5: like when we do a podcast, you know, thirty six

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Speaker 5: hours after you do the post fight show, Because in.

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Speaker 3: One sense the prep is done right.

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Speaker 5: In another sense, I'm gonna ask you, I'm gonna try

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Speaker 5: to do it in a creative, maybe different way. I'm'ma

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Speaker 5: asking a lot of the same questions Karen Bryant was

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Speaker 5: asking you like thirty hours ago.

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Speaker 3: Right. You know, I hate redundancy.

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Speaker 1: I hate repeating myself and repeating myself and I hear yourself.

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Speaker 6: Sorry.

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Speaker 5: So the Godfather Ray Longo is going to join us

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Speaker 5: here off the top of the show. Today celebrated a

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Speaker 5: big birthday yesterday, sixty and I don't know if you

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Speaker 5: saw the Instagram video guys doing like weapons training, sparring,

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Speaker 5: like with headgear, sled pushes, just getting after it. I

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Speaker 5: think he just wants to usher in the sixties in

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Speaker 5: a big way. So long it's going to join us

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Speaker 5: in a minute. The Vegas gold Knights are going to

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Speaker 5: the Stanley Cup Final in their expansion season, one of

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Speaker 5: the more amazing sports stories, certainly in North America in

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Speaker 5: our lifetime. So we're going to talk to Adam Hill

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Speaker 5: from the Las Vegas Review Journal MMA writer. We'll get

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Speaker 5: into some UFC stuff, but a lot of Vegas Golden

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Speaker 5: Night stuff with Adam Hill, and then of course Picks

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Speaker 5: coming up for the show in Liverpool this weekend should

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Speaker 5: be a crazy atmosphere there for Thompson until we'll look

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Speaker 5: back at Chile.

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Speaker 3: But we're going to start with the Man, the Legend,

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Speaker 3: the Godfather. Ray Long is now time for the Ray

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Speaker 3: Longo Minute. What's a hole?

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Speaker 7: Inns?

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Speaker 3: Fucking Chucks?

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Speaker 6: That's what I watched the.

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Speaker 4: Very long minute the John nik and Kenny Florian podcast.

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Speaker 1: Who Wow doesn't look a day over sixty?

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Speaker 6: What is wrong with me? Sixty? Selected like an idiot congrat.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the way. That's the way you gotta b Ray.

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Speaker 1: You're inspiring me, buddy.

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Speaker 6: I'm not going with the conventional thinking. Never right.

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Speaker 5: So how does your wife think you look at sixty?

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Speaker 5: Because I think you looked pretty good.

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Speaker 8: Now, my wife, my wife is is awesome and she

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Speaker 8: she thinks I look great, And that's all that matters.

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Speaker 6: She's a sweetheart.

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Speaker 8: For what I put her through, she should be what

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Speaker 5: So I was on your social media this weekend, and

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Speaker 5: as Tim Kennedy likes to say, hello, trouble and if

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Speaker 8: I think I still got a little limby. We'll see

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Speaker 8: what happened. You never know until that time comes. But

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Speaker 8: somebody's getting stabbed at this point, right, I don't want

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Speaker 8: to hurt my hands at this point, that's right, don't

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Speaker 8: I don't I get a pass at sixty.

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Speaker 6: I could do something stupid.

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Speaker 1: And it's better to be a warrior in the garden

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Speaker 6: Right, exactly, I'll take it.

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Speaker 5: So are you are you taking shots? Active shots to

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Speaker 5: the head? I saw the head gear going on there.

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Speaker 6: Uh, you know, that's the only I'm gonna say. The only.

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Speaker 8: You gotta be careful, so you gotta have the right

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Speaker 6: That guy was farn what.

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Speaker 8: it's you know, when you when you get I probably

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Speaker 8: spawned that guy three four hundred rounds in the course

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Speaker 8: gonna there's no ego invested, so he's he's a great guy.

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Speaker 8: Shout out to Mikey. ICE's really good dude, and he's

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Speaker 8: really good man. He's a great guy. He knows how

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Speaker 8: to control, he knows how to go a little hard,

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Speaker 8: pulled back, and so if you have the right dance partner,

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Speaker 8: I recommend it. If not, I wouldn't be getting banged

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Speaker 8: in the head at sixty but right, you know, look man,

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Speaker 8: it's it is liberating.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 6: I took a couple of jibs and the head.

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Speaker 8: You know, I don't know that part is a little weird,

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Speaker 8: but you know, I'm so comfortable to do it. It's

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Speaker 8: not you know, I am conscious of it though, you know,

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Speaker 8: start at like forty, I would I would spawl, like

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Speaker 9: Oh?

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Speaker 6: I did? I did six. I hope that was good enough.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's good. That's good.

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Speaker 6: And I thought of and I actually thought about that.

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Speaker 8: I'm like, I don't want to be getting punched in

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Speaker 6: Maybe a little smart and soft, but uh, it was tempted.

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Speaker 8: I felt like just going the whole week and doing like,

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's fun.

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Speaker 5: I know, I know one of those guys. I might

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Speaker 6: You me, and you would have fun, I promise you that.

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Speaker 5: So so this is sort of like a birthday ritual

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Speaker 5: for you if you if you do want to watch

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Speaker 5: Ray long go push a sled, and I encourage you

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Speaker 5: to do so on Instagram. It's at ray Longo m

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Speaker 5: m A. And you said, if you think you're old,

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Speaker 5: you become old. Find something you love to do and

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Speaker 5: do it as often as possible, surround yourself with great

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Speaker 5: people and go. And then a little typo here ken flow,

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Speaker 5: he says, some snipers of my weekly routine leading up

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Speaker 5: to my sixtieth birthday. I think maybe you meant snippets

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Speaker 5: Kamara Ousman, did you see the the whole card in

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Speaker 5: a win that certainly can be dissected every which way

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Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly know. I saw. I did see that fight.

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Speaker 8: I didn't see the whole card, but I did see

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Speaker 8: that fight, and uh, I think Usman's he's possibly the

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Speaker 8: fought a very smart fight against the guy that you know.

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Speaker 8: I think that's the recipe obviously at this point for

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Speaker 8: we'll see where he goes. But I like Kamal Usman,

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Speaker 3: Kid, Kenny.

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Speaker 5: I just have one more for Ray and then if

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Speaker 5: you have anything for the birthday boy, by all means,

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Speaker 5: al Jamain Sterling, we talked a lot about this and

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Speaker 3: It's been a month.

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Speaker 5: All in the case are that Dominic Cruz is not

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Speaker 6: People, and uh, that might be a possible fight too.

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Speaker 8: He doesn't get the Cruise fight. I love the Cruise

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Speaker 1: you set goals for yourself? Like, you know, you turned six,

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Speaker 8: I think I'm down like fifty pounds, So for me,

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Speaker 8: it was really just a better quality of life. And

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Speaker 6: I got great people that pushed me.

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Speaker 8: I really think I'm surrounded by some really good people

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Speaker 6: So yeah, the goal really for me was just to

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Speaker 3: It was the main event Santiago, Chile.

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Speaker 1: Well, listen, you know the blueprint was out there right

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, when you're facing a guy that.

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Speaker 5: So we mentioned six of those eight wins by unanimous decision,

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Speaker 1: If you've seen one Tomorrow fight, you've essentially seen them all.

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Speaker 3: Right, got to get the boss excited.

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Speaker 5: in the UFC. The other names I have highlighted here

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Speaker 5: Jorge game Bred, Mosfvidal, Kenny, He's taken some time. I

438
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Speaker 5: know you mentioned Robbie Lawler. I mean that's a fight

439
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Speaker 5: that I think makes a lot of sense. But if

440
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Speaker 5: Lawler's on the men, maybe the timeline isn't there. Who

441
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Speaker 5: do you think we will see next for Kamara Ousman

442
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Speaker 5: at this point.

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Speaker 1: Right and with Robbie Lawler, I know, obviously they're training

444
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Speaker 1: with the same coaches and all that stuff, so that's

445
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Speaker 1: probably something they'd want to put on the back burner

446
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Speaker 1: unless it's maybe for the belt or maybe a fight

447
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Speaker 1: to fight for the belt.

448
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Speaker 3: But you know, I like the Jorge Masvidal fight.

449
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Speaker 1: I think that makes a lot of sense, you know,

450
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Speaker 1: And in regards to the Ponsanibio fight, I would like

451
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Speaker 1: to see that. You know, some people were saying, well,

452
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Speaker 1: you know, Ponsanibio, you know, given that Maya was able

453
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Speaker 1: to touch him tomorrow up a little bit, I think

454
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Speaker 1: Potsinibia would.

455
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Speaker 3: Knock him out.

456
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Speaker 1: Well, Kamara wouldn't fight that same fight against San Diego Posanibia, right,

457
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Speaker 1: He would use his hands primarily to set up his takedowns.

458
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Speaker 1: He would want to go to the mat with someone

459
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Speaker 1: like Ponsinibio. Didn't want to do that against someone like

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Speaker 1: Damian Maya. The smart choice there, and I think he

461
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Speaker 1: still has a lot of interesting matchups. I just think

462
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Speaker 1: after this fight here against Damian Maya, I think the

463
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Speaker 1: UFC will probably take their time with Kamarrow. I don't

464
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Speaker 1: know if they're gonna give him a shot at someone

465
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Speaker 1: leading up to the belt. You know, maybe two fights,

466
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Speaker 1: one fight away. They might be looking at kind of

467
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Speaker 1: a three fight planer.

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Speaker 5: More and again, this is the moving time this year

469
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Speaker 5: for this welterweight division. All the guys essentially ranked above

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Speaker 5: Kamara Ousman, with the exception of Mastidal and Lawler, have fights.

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Speaker 5: You know, Thompson until this weekend. That's number one versus

472
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Speaker 5: number eight, Tosan Josen, Covington, two and three in the

473
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Speaker 5: world right now. They fight on June ninth, and of

474
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Speaker 5: course Maya there at number five. He was ranked ahead

475
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Speaker 5: of Tomorrow, So Usman's in the top five. We'll see

476
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Speaker 5: what happens with him, and I do think eventually he'll

477
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Speaker 5: work his way to a title fight, and then it's

478
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Speaker 5: just about once you get there, what can you do

479
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Speaker 5: with it? Because a lot of us said for a

480
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Speaker 5: long time, Kenny, for Tyron Woodley, you just got to

481
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Speaker 5: calculatedly get your way to that title fight. He got it,

482
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Speaker 5: he took advantage. He's held the belt ever since. On

483
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Speaker 5: the other side, Damian Maya, Kenny, your friends, it's tricky

484
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Speaker 5: to sort of put this into context because there was

485
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Speaker 5: a time when Damian Maya was a borderline UFC Hall

486
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Speaker 5: of Famer, and now, judging the body of work, I

487
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Speaker 5: feel like that candidacy has taken a little bit of

488
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Speaker 5: a hit, despite the fact that I can sit here

489
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Speaker 5: and glorify him for fifteen minutes if that's the content

490
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Speaker 5: you need. I have huge appreciation for everything that he

491
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Speaker 5: brings to the table, but some of these numbers are astonishing.

492
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Speaker 5: Oh for his last forty nine takedown attempts inside the octagon.

493
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Speaker 5: I know someonell say he took Tomorrow Usman down on early,

494
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Speaker 5: but fight Metric did not score that as a takedown.

495
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Speaker 5: There has been some unprecedented futility here, Kenny, and I

496
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Speaker 5: know you kind of let him have it a little

497
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Speaker 5: bit on the post fight show, just in an analytical sense,

498
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Speaker 5: because that's what you're paid to do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and listen. Obviously, as you know, I'm a huge

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Speaker 1: fan of Damien Maya. You know, I consider him a buddy,

501
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Speaker 1: and he's one of those guys I've always looked up

502
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Speaker 1: to as a martial artist and I still do.

503
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Speaker 3: However, you know, when you make a mistake as.

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Speaker 1: A fighter, or you fight a certain fight against a

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Speaker 1: style of fighter like a wrestler for example, And obviously

506
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Speaker 1: Damien has had the experience of going against Tyron Woodley

507
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Speaker 1: and Colby Covington back to back, and and you hope

508
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Speaker 1: that as a martial arts he went back and goes, Okay, listen,

509
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Speaker 1: what do I need to do to get better?

510
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Speaker 3: And oftentimes, you know the same way that.

511
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Speaker 1: Kobe and Tyron and Kamaru will never be as good

512
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Speaker 1: as him in jiu jitsu, he will never be as

513
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Speaker 1: good as those guys in wrestling. Realistically, right, you can

514
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Speaker 1: do certain things and you can adjust certain things to

515
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Speaker 1: maybe finish a single or a double a little bit sharper,

516
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Speaker 1: but if it doesn't work, you better have a plan

517
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Speaker 1: B and a plant ce. And I was very surprised

518
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 1: that he didn't go to his guard from that position.

519
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,239
Speaker 1: Here he is with a deep single, and what does

520
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Speaker 1: he do. He tries to force it until he has

521
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,640
Speaker 1: bad structure. You see Kamaro push down on his head.

522
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: His head is lower than his hips, and then he

523
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Speaker 1: goes to guard, which made no sense to me. Then

524
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Speaker 1: he's got a deep underhook from a clinch where he

525
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Speaker 1: can again go to a very deep half guard, which

526
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Speaker 1: we've seen him use against guys like Harae Masvidal and

527
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Speaker 1: others to take the back. He did it against Matt Brown,

528
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Speaker 1: he didn't do it. He forced the takedown until he

529
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Speaker 1: kind of got his structure compromise yet again, and then

530
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Speaker 1: he goes to guard or he's taking a bad shot

531
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Speaker 1: from outside. And I just hate seeing the same mistakes

532
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Speaker 1: repeated again. And a guy like Damian Maya, so I

533
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Speaker 1: was expecting a different per foremants, a different twist on

534
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Speaker 1: some of his takedowns and willingness to try to take

535
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Speaker 1: the fight to the mat. I was looking for more

536
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Speaker 1: creativity and I just didn't see that. So that was

537
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Speaker 1: frustrating for me because he certainly was in those positions

538
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Speaker 1: where he could have taken it to the mat with

539
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Speaker 1: an advantageous position, and it's unfortunate. And again, you know,

540
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Speaker 1: listen that oh for forty nine stat. While it is

541
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Speaker 1: pretty remarkable to see that, you know, this guy hasn't

542
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Speaker 1: taken anybody down in three fights and he's been stuffed.

543
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Speaker 3: Repeatedly, fight after fight after fight.

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Speaker 1: It is against a very tough style matchup, right, So

545
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Speaker 1: you know, we're taking one stat and we're putting it

546
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Speaker 1: up against guys who are phenomenal wrestlers.

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Speaker 3: But it is alarming. That's alarming at forty years old.

548
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Speaker 1: Right, So for Damian, I would have liked to see

549
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Speaker 1: more creativity and better strategy because I just don't think

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Speaker 1: he had a great strategy heading into this one.

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Speaker 5: You know, I just think it's interesting because I feel

552
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Speaker 5: like maybe if you were where Damian Maya is at

553
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Speaker 5: at this stage of your career, then you would walk

554
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Speaker 5: away even if there was one hundred and fifty thousand

555
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 5: dollars in show money or whatever it is, right, because

556
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Speaker 5: you've talked about this sort of lack of evolution, and

557
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 5: he had three weeks to make one hundred and seventy

558
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Speaker 5: one pounds right to fight a main event to sort

559
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Speaker 5: of save this Chile card. And you know, I hate

560
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Speaker 5: to say he's got a couple kids, right like, I

561
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Speaker 5: just don't know after the Woodley loss, if the focus

562
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Speaker 5: in the gym is really on taking it to the

563
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Speaker 5: next level and really trying to shore up weaknesses as

564
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Speaker 5: much as it is to you know, stay healthy, stay

565
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Speaker 5: relatively sharp, continue to hone your strengths, and make the weight,

566
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Speaker 5: make the walk, and you know, cash that show money, sure,

567
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 5: you know, because at the end of the day, a

568
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Speaker 5: lot of these guys are prize fighters. And to me,

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Speaker 5: it seems like he's sort of hanging on Once he

570
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 5: wasn't able to break through against Tyron Woodley, his title

571
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Speaker 5: fight in a second division. It took him forever to

572
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Speaker 5: get that title fight against Tyron Woodley. And I just

573
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Speaker 5: think at this point in time not to sit here

574
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Speaker 5: and say he's cash on a check, but I think

575
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 5: his better days are behind him, and I don't know

576
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Speaker 5: that his focus is where you want it to be,

577
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Speaker 5: which is on making these major improvements to try to

578
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Speaker 5: beat the best guys.

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Speaker 4: In the world.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that's what concerns me. And you make a

581
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Speaker 1: great point. I mean, if you're not getting better in

582
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Speaker 1: this game, what are you doing?

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Speaker 7: You know? For me?

584
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Speaker 3: And it wasn't for me.

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Speaker 1: That's what it was always about, was learning from your mistakes,

586
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Speaker 1: which I made a lot of, and trying to come

587
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Speaker 1: back a different fighter, you know, with a different twist,

588
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Speaker 1: with some kind of improvement, learning from your efficiencies as

589
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Speaker 1: a fighter. And we just didn't see that in Damien.

590
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Speaker 1: And of course, listen, he did take this fight on

591
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Speaker 1: short notice. But still, you know, after losing like that,

592
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Speaker 1: I would always go back and go, geez, man, what

593
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Speaker 1: am I doing here?

594
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Speaker 3: I didn't even if whether I had a fight or not.

595
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Speaker 1: I was always trying to improve on the things and

596
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: the mistakes that I made and looking for different ways

597
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Speaker 1: to do things, and didn't always have a solution to

598
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Speaker 1: those things, of course, But I think that's what that's

599
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: where your head has to be if you want to

600
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Speaker 1: continue fighting. And he has what three or four fights

601
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: left on his contract. He says he wants to finish

602
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: those out, go out and style, because Damien has the

603
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: ability to improve as a fighter. There's no doubt about it.

604
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Speaker 1: Is he going to be the best striker in the world.

605
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: Is he going to be the best wrestler in the world. No,

606
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Speaker 1: but that there's ways that he can train to improve

607
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,280
Speaker 1: himself as a martial artist and show up those weaknesses.

608
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Speaker 5: And as it was articulated on the post fight show,

609
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,719
Speaker 5: there's still plenty of guys in this top fifteen that

610
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,560
Speaker 5: he will provide a very stiff problem for potentially. So

611
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,280
Speaker 5: all right, that's it on the main event and Kamar Usman,

612
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 5: of course the big story his next fight. He will

613
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 5: try to go to nine to zero in the UFC

614
00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,880
Speaker 5: and as Kenny said, at one hundred and seventy pounds,

615
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 5: just nothing easy about it. That brings us to Tatiana Suarez. Now,

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Speaker 5: when we did our podcast last week, we had the

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Speaker 5: opening line. The line wasn't really available on a lot

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Speaker 5: of websites, so she was minus one ninety for our purposes.

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Speaker 5: She closed about minus seven one hundred, and you saw

620
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Speaker 5: exactly why many of us fancy her a former UFC

621
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Speaker 5: straw excuse me, a future UFC strawwey champion. Look what

622
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Speaker 5: she just did to the number nine ranked fighter in

623
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Speaker 5: the world. I know, stylistically this was maybe a good

624
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 5: matchup for Tatiana Suarez to fight sort of a non grappler.

625
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 5: But Alexa Grosso just put in the ten week training

626
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,359
Speaker 5: camp of her life to try to solve this puzzle

627
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,400
Speaker 5: that is Tatiana Suarez, and that's how it went.

628
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 3: It was over in three minutes.

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Speaker 5: Suarez is a world beater man, and I'm excited to

630
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Speaker 5: see her get the repetitions and make a sort of

631
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Speaker 5: gradual run to the top.

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Speaker 1: I think to understand Tatiana Suarez and the division, I

633
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: guess in general, you kind of have to go back

634
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Speaker 1: to the beginning, and this is a division that hasn't

635
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: been around for so long. Women's mixed martial arts hasn't

636
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: been around for so long, right, it hasn't been certainly

637
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: hasn't been around in the UFC as long as the

638
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: men's divisions, right. So I think that if you come

639
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: into this sport with a highly specialized area where you

640
00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: are significantly better than everybody else in a certain domain,

641
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: like a Mackenzie Durham Brazilian jiu jitsu, like a Tatiana

642
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: Suarez with her wrestling like a you want a young

643
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: j check with with your striking, you're going to have

644
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: such a huge advantage over everyone else who was kind

645
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: of learning the sport as it goes right, you know,

646
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Speaker 1: to come into this sport and kind of know a

647
00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: little bit of everything, it's still not gonna be good

648
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: enough against someone like a Tatiana Suarez, who can always

649
00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: take you down and put you on your back. No

650
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Speaker 1: matter who it is, that will go a very long

651
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: way in this sport. If you are aggressive in women's

652
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: mixed martial arts and you have a highly specialized domain,

653
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: you can be a champion, period. And Tatiana Suarez has

654
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: those skills. She's the best wrestler in that division, you know.

655
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: Andrage has tremendous takedown ability. I don't know if she's

656
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: as technical as a Suarez, uh, but those two women,

657
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: as far as takedown ability, are head and shoulders above

658
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: everybody else. And it was a bad matchup against Grasso,

659
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: who wanted to keep it on the feet. She tried

660
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, utilize her jujitsu or get

661
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: back to her feet.

662
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 3: She just did.

663
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 1: She didn't have enough skill against someone like Suarez. So

664
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: amazing performance really silenced the crowd and again moves up

665
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 1: the rankings of the process.

666
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 5: Just needs to stay healthy and stay active, and I

667
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 5: think Suarez is going to really position herself to make

668
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 5: a strawweight Ronn And I'm glad you sort of set

669
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 5: up the history because when you hear Suarez talk about

670
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 5: where she's at relative to the elite, I mean she's

671
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 5: not in any rush. She could have got on the

672
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Speaker 5: microphone and called out Michelle Waterson or Police Harrig and

673
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 5: I think maybe her next opponent would come out of

674
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:40,640
Speaker 5: that too, but I'm not sure it's going to be

675
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 5: Michelle Waterson and Harry's coming off a loss, so maybe

676
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 5: there's some pause there. But she's not in any great rush.

677
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 5: I think she wants to learn the game and progress accordingly.

678
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 5: But I think for Alexa Grosso, this has to be

679
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 5: Kenny a tough pill to swallow because she had a

680
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 5: long training camp. She knows that this is sort of

681
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,960
Speaker 5: her Achilles heel. My amateur eyes tell me that defensively,

682
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 5: she was actually doing the right things to try to

683
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 5: keep the fight upright, and once there was closure, you know,

684
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 5: there was no separation thereafter. Right as soon as Suarez

685
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 5: got her down one time, she couldn't get away from

686
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 5: the skin to skin situation again. And there are fighters

687
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 5: like that that are gonna test Grosso and I think

688
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 5: for her, you work so hard, you feel like you're

689
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 5: in position to handle this challenge, and three minutes later

690
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 5: you're in the locker room thinking like, man, where do

691
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 5: I go from here?

692
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 3: That's right, and this is one of those fights.

693
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: I think that will get her to go back to

694
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: her camp and start to question some things. Am I

695
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: doing everything possible to be the best mixed martial artist

696
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: I can be? Do I have a competent wrestling coach?

697
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: Am I with the right team?

698
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 3: You know? Am I training right? Am I training smart?

699
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: These are the questions she needs to ask herself if

700
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Speaker 1: she wants to advance and beat you know, the grapplers

701
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: like An Andrage Andrez. I still think she has a

702
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: lot of potential as a fighter, but does she have

703
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 1: the right training regiment right now and the right coaches

704
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: around her?

705
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 3: I'm not so sure.

706
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting because Jessica Androge, number two in the

707
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 5: world right now, is chomping at the bit to get

708
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 5: back in there. I would be stunned if they gave

709
00:32:20,760 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 5: jess Gonrage Tatiana Suarez.

710
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 3: I think you keep those two away.

711
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 5: I think the two viable contenders there, maybe you do

712
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,560
Speaker 5: the Falice Herrig fight, even though they don't like to

713
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 5: set up a winner against a loser, because Felice, I

714
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 5: think is a good litmus test. And maybe Michelle Waterson

715
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 5: off the win over Courtney Casey, but I'm not sure

716
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 5: that that's an appetizing fight for Michelle necessarily. But Tatiana

717
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 5: Suarez is in the mix, and I don't know how

718
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 5: widely viewed this show was, but a nice co main

719
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 5: event showcase for her, nonetheless, And again I do think

720
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 5: that a couple of years down the line, we're going

721
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 5: to talk about Tatiana Suarez in that championship picture, if

722
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 5: not sooner. Dominic reyis Kenny similarly, I think can make

723
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 5: a run here in this light heavyweight division. When you

724
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 5: look at the rankings at two hunds five pounds, a

725
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 5: lot of it's the old guard, a lot of it

726
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 5: is littered with guys who are coming off a loss.

727
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 5: Daaldic Rays has never lost three to zero in the UFC.

728
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 5: Kenny all of them first round finishes, and I think

729
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 5: this one, chief among them the most impressive what he

730
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 5: did to a fairly durable and UFC tested Jared cannoneer

731
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 5: over the weekend.

732
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was the big question for Race was, Okay, listen,

733
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: he's beating these guys, he's not getting some early knockouts, but.

734
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 3: Who is he doing it against?

735
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: Can he do it like against a guy in Cannoneer,

736
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: who has faced some very stiff competition in the UFC

737
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: very early.

738
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 3: On in his career. Well we have our answer.

739
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: We got another early knockout from Race and it was

740
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: a beautiful shot on the inside, just kind of like

741
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: a fade away uppercut right in the pocket that caught

742
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: Cannon or Cannoneer never saw it coming. Cannoneer was ducking

743
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: down Ray, He's recognized that. So he's showing, you know,

744
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: a good intelligence inside the mixed martial arts. Talk to

745
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 1: Gone and I thought he moved very well six foot four.

746
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: I mean, he made Canoneer look tiny. And I know

747
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: Cannoneer has talked about maybe going down one hundred and

748
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: eighty five pounds, but he's not necessarily a small two

749
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: hundred and five pounder. This isn't a Cannoneer who lacks

750
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: strength or lacks power. He can knock ties out at

751
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: two hundred and five pounds. That's not necessarily the issue.

752
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: The problem is race is just gigantic for that division.

753
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: Six foot four, are.

754
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 3: You kidding me?

755
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: Moves really well, he's lean, you know. I think he

756
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 1: has so much potential. John, we still haven't seen everything

757
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,840
Speaker 1: that Rays can do in there, and I think we

758
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: have a guy who really could be a champion in

759
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: that division, no doubt about it.

760
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 7: Man.

761
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 5: There's muscle to be added to that frame too, and

762
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 5: he can cut down I think, and make this weight

763
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 5: easily for.

764
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 3: Or move up to heavyweight at some point.

765
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, for sure, for sure, And I'm sure that's something

766
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 5: that they have talked about. But this really is a

767
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 5: student of the game. You saw him go for a

768
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 5: takedown at one point in time. He's willing to mix

769
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 5: up the martial arts. That left hand is huge, and

770
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 5: Jared Cannoneer narrowly avoided a couple of hooks that are

771
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 5: going to put a lot of light heavyweights out for good.

772
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 5: So I'm excited to see Dominic rayis and I say

773
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 5: student of the game. You know, his brother got a

774
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 5: short notice opportunity in the UFC against Platinum Mike Perry.

775
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 5: Those guys I think are a strange the Rays brothers actually,

776
00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 5: But big picture Dominic rayis he's got Joe Stevenson and

777
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 5: others highly credential guys in his corner, and he loves

778
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 5: this shit. Right, that's important too, Right, Bill Belichick talks

779
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 5: a lot about that, loving football, drafting players who love

780
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,920
Speaker 5: football as sort of number one prerequisite. And I do

781
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 5: think with Dominic Rays more than a lot of young fighters.

782
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 5: I shouldn't say that, but generally, speaking of all the

783
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 5: young fighters that I have come across, this guy is

784
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 5: one of those with this competitive nature, hunger to learn

785
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 5: more about mixed martial arts, humble in terms of where

786
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 5: he's at right now. And I think Kenny certainly shares

787
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 5: my excitement on Dominic Rays. How about Vicente Luke? Were

788
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 5: you able to see that or were you doing the

789
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 5: pre fight show. I mean, this is a kid who's

790
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 5: won six of seven out in the UFC, dropped his

791
00:35:56,840 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 5: UFC debut, he's finished all six of his uf HE wins,

792
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 5: and for my money, Kenny some pretty big names on well.

793
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 5: I shouldn't say big names, but I should say guys

794
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 5: that I respect a lot, palal Mohammed, Nico Price, Chad

795
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 5: Laprize all knockouts, none of them Tkos this guy's got

796
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 5: a very good shin a lot of different skills, mental,

797
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,800
Speaker 5: physical package. Vicente Luke with a huge win and something

798
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 5: that caused me to sit up and sort of take

799
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 5: notice when I was watching.

800
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:24,319
Speaker 1: Without a doubt, and I gotta say, this is the

801
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,439
Speaker 1: way I saw this fight going. It was Laprize who

802
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: I thought was the more technical striker. I thought he

803
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: was going to be landing more combinations, more strikes. He

804
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: was moving very well, but he's under size for that

805
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,800
Speaker 1: division and he was going against a guy in Vincente

806
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 1: Luke who hits very very hard, and Laprize he's doing

807
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 1: well until he isn't. He has a tendency of getting

808
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: opened up. And he exposed his center line at the

809
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 1: very wrong time. I thought he opened up a little

810
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: bit too early against someone like Luke, and Luke did

811
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: a great job of just being the predator. He was

812
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 1: just out of He kept putting the pressure on Laprize

813
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: and once he exposed that center line, he went for

814
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 1: that nice blitz caught Laprize put him out, and man,

815
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: I was concerned for Chad there and I was concerned

816
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: for him heading into this fight against Luke, who is

817
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: big for the division. Hits very hard, and Laprize moves

818
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: really well, just defensively, just needs to know when to

819
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 1: move his head and when to throw those combinations a

820
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 1: little bit better. And yeah, unfortunate result there for Chad.

821
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: But uh, Luke man, he's a great fighter. And it

822
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,320
Speaker 1: was interesting because he did most of his training in Brazil.

823
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,799
Speaker 1: He actually left training down in South Florida and went

824
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 1: to Brazil. And I wasn't sure what kind of Luka

825
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 1: we were going to see. But very solid man, solid performance, no.

826
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 5: Doubt, and he said after the fact that it was

827
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 5: one of the best training camps of his life. And

828
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 5: to your point, the frame for this division, he's not

829
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 5: the tallest guy, but he.

830
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 3: Is a big welterweight.

831
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 5: There's a guy who fought Thiago Santos at middleweight and

832
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 5: knocked him out, I believe back in twenty twelve or thirteen.

833
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 5: So yeah, Vicente Luke it on up. And the pro

834
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 5: record isn't going to wow you. He's thirteen six and one.

835
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 5: But when you start to watch a guy put it

836
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,959
Speaker 5: all together, you start to think, hey, maybe not unlike

837
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 5: Leon Edwards, this guy and that's the only guy, by

838
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 5: the way to beat Vicente Luke in his last seven.

839
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,279
Speaker 5: Maybe he works his way to a main event. When

840
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 5: you get that big fight, look what happens. Look what

841
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 5: Darren Till has going on this weekend. The BBC Radio

842
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 5: is gonna broadcast Darren Till. This guy is a massive,

843
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 5: massive deal and we're gonna get to that soon. But

844
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 5: it can happen pretty quickly. So congratulations to Vicente Luke.

845
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 5: We're gonna talk to Adam Hill here in a minute,

846
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 5: but I want to talk about Gabriel Benitez just for

847
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 5: a second, in the context of a conversation I had

848
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 5: with with Hobby Mendez about Mowgli and this featherweight picture,

849
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 5: and when the call came in for Gabriel Benitez to

850
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 5: fight Umberto bandon A in Chile. I think Benitez wanted

851
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 5: a bigger name and there was some reluctance. What's the

852
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 5: upside to this fight? And Hobby or Mendez had this

853
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 5: conversation with me for the fight. He said, look, you know,

854
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 5: you take this fight. It's a fight that on paper

855
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 5: you're supposed to win. Show off your skills, a crew experience,

856
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 5: maybe you get a fifty thousand dollars bonus, and then

857
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 5: put yourself in position for another big fight, and it

858
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 5: worked out exactly that way. I mean, he got the bonus,

859
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 5: he got a huge knockout against a guy that on

860
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:21,479
Speaker 5: paper he was supposed to be and now he takes

861
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 5: that experience another fight week and the confidence that goes

862
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,800
Speaker 5: with it as he tries to take on some of

863
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,240
Speaker 5: these other featherweight killers. So I thought it was interesting

864
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 5: from coach speak to the desired result and a big

865
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 5: win for Gabriel Mowgli Benito.

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Speaker 3: Excellent advice there from Javier Mendez.

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Speaker 1: And for Benitez, you know, he just did everything better

868
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: than the proving fighter Rumberto Bond and I. And I

869
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: think for Bond and I, you know, he had a

870
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: very exciting performance in his debut in the UFC and

871
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: obviously had a great knockout. But it's not like he

872
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 1: didn't have any weaknesses. You know, he did have a

873
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 1: lot of weaknesses. He's not the most technical fighter. I

874
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: think he has a lot of potential fights very but

875
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: Benitez certainly has faced tougher competition, So this was a

876
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: tough fight for Bond and I, but good advice there

877
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: from Javier Mendez. I'm a big believer in experience, experience

878
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 1: in the UFC, and I think just going through that

879
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 1: fight week routine and dealing with you know, the pressures

880
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: of fighting in there and you know, getting your wins,

881
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: getting your experience, seeing as much as you can in

882
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: the octagon is only going to help you as a fighter.

883
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 1: And I don't think Bond and I was a huge

884
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 1: risk to take for Benitez, but it was gonna be

885
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,720
Speaker 1: a good learning experience, and you know, all those things

886
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: came true of what Javier Mendez told them.

887
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 3: So congratulations to beneathas.

888
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 5: Thirty nine second fight in an extra fifty k head product.

889
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 3: Yeah beautiful.

890
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 5: And you knew those slam knockouts, those those get bonus

891
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 5: money more often than not. Don't happen all that often.

892
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 5: All right, last fight on my list, and I didn't

893
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 5: see the fight pass prelims, So I apologize to Claudio Pohy. Yes,

894
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 5: I gotta go back and watched that comeback and everything

895
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:04,440
Speaker 5: with Barzola and Davis. But the fight of the night

896
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 5: in the women's flyweight division, and this is a division

897
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 5: that really could use a fight of the night and

898
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 5: they got it here with Andrea Lee KGB making her

899
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 5: UFC debut against Veronica Mercedo, and it was unanimous decision

900
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 5: thirty twenty seven across the board for Andrea Lee. Entertaining

901
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 5: fight and I'm just happy to see Massado walk with

902
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,719
Speaker 5: fifty K because I just thought in defeat she fought

903
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 5: her ass off.

904
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 1: To Both of these women really filled their asses off.

905
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,919
Speaker 1: I mean they went hard man, very aggressive strategy from

906
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Speaker 1: both women.

907
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,240
Speaker 3: Really, this fight was everywhere.

908
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: I mean this fight was exciting on the feet, it

909
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 1: was exciting on the ground.

910
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 3: Both these women really went forward. I think Lee also

911
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 3: just I think we have.

912
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 1: A potential star in that division, just the way that

913
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 1: she carried herself, the style that she brought into the octagon.

914
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: Then after the fight, she was not happy. She's like, listen,

915
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: I didn't fight a great fight. I really was kind

916
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 1: of disappointed. I thought A fought ale up. I should

917
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: have fought a lot better, should have fought a lot smarter.

918
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 1: So I think, you know, we have a real martial

919
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: artist here, you know, former mouay Thai champion who showed

920
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 1: some ground skills, big for the division, strong and Pisato

921
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:16,319
Speaker 1: was game man. We had a great fight because both

922
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: those women really brought it, were aggressive, and they definitely entertained.

923
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Speaker 5: And you talk about things happening quickly. I mean that's

924
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 5: really a division where it can happen within you know,

925
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Speaker 5: twelve eighteen months, you could find yourself in a title

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Speaker 7: Oh.

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Speaker 5: Well, now with us on the guest line, Kenny. If

953
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Speaker 5: this guy was a big drinker, I might not have

954
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Speaker 5: even have called him this early. Because the celebration continues

955
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 5: in Las Vegas, folks, the Golden Knights are headed to

956
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 5: the Stanley Cup Final in their first year of existence,

957
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 5: and joining us live from the seven h two MMA,

958
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Speaker 5: writer for the Las Vegas Review Journal, Our good friend

959
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 5: Adam Hill is with us. Pandemonium in Vegas. The Golden

960
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 5: Knights have done it. I know they haven't won a championship,

961
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:58,760
Speaker 5: but it sure feels like it here Monday morning.

962
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 3: Man, how are you?

963
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 7: I am good? Four wins away though, man, four wins away.

964
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 5: So we had you on last year at the start

965
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,240
Speaker 5: of the NHL season, we asked you over under sixty

966
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 5: five and a half points for the Golden Knights in

967
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 5: this their expansion season, that was the total as set

968
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 5: by Vegas. You said, oh, under like, didn't even dignify

969
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 5: the question. Shattered that total. Finished the regular season with

970
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 5: one hundred and nine points. They've won twelve playoff games.

971
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 5: What makes this team so good and able to sustain

972
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 5: this type of run against elite playoff competition?

973
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,879
Speaker 7: I have no idea to every playoff game home and road.

974
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 7: I still can't figure it out. I mean, listen, the

975
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 7: team is insanely better than we all thought. There's no

976
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 7: question about that. This is just a good team that

977
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 7: came together very quickly. There's a lot of guys who

978
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 7: you look at him and you're like, where did this

979
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 7: come from? William Carlton was never a big goals board,

980
00:44:58,600 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 7: and all of a sudden he's one of the top

981
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 7: scorers in the league. You know, like he's had opportunity before.

982
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 7: Where was this? Uh? But then you've got guys like

983
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 7: Jonathan Barcisso, who's bounced around to a couple of teams.

984
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 7: You know, he never really fit in for whatever reason,

985
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 7: even though he's been a pretty big production guy. And

986
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 7: now you know he's, you know, a star player in

987
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 7: the in the in the you know, leading a team

988
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 7: of the Stanley Cup Finals. It's it's just a collection

989
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 7: of guys who are playing better than they ever had before.

990
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 7: Nate Smidt is a top defender in this league. He's

991
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,720
Speaker 7: one of the best defenders around. He was a healthy

992
00:45:30,719 --> 00:45:33,239
Speaker 7: spatch last year for Washington. Like he's a guy who

993
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 7: couldn't even get on the ice in the playoffs. So

994
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,279
Speaker 7: I don't know where this came from. It's a combination of,

995
00:45:37,640 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 7: you know, everyone fitting together well. The coaching staff has

996
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 7: been incredible. Every move that they've made, from hey, we're

997
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 7: gonna bench this guy for five straight games and then

998
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,240
Speaker 7: bring him back and he's gonna score a goal, like Okay.

999
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 7: It's just it's amazing how things are coming together. But

1000
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 7: I still can't figure it out.

1001
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 5: I you think they beat the winner of the Eastern

1002
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 5: Conference finals between Tampa Vay and Washington.

1003
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,600
Speaker 7: I think they beat Washington because they'd have home ice,

1004
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 7: and we haven't seen anything from Washington that would tell

1005
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 7: us that, you know that this is the time that

1006
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 7: they're actually going to come through. Every year they falter

1007
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 7: at some point and you figure it's you know, it

1008
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,479
Speaker 7: would be maybe in the finals, But I think Tampa

1009
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 7: Bay wins that series. And I think Tampa Bay would

1010
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:23,439
Speaker 7: beat Vegas in the finals. So I'm sure everybody here

1011
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 7: in Vegas is rooting for Washington to come through and

1012
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 7: you know, win Team six and forting Game seven and

1013
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 7: go win that. But listen, I've ticked against the Golden

1014
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 7: ninethe and every series, so if I pick them, if

1015
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 7: I picked Tampa Bay, I'll probably be wrong again.

1016
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:37,240
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1017
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,399
Speaker 5: Well, and we are going to get to some MMA

1018
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 5: stuff of course with Adam Hill in a minute. But

1019
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 5: putting a bow on this Golden Knight situation, I mean

1020
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 5: a lot of us have tried to sort of put

1021
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,200
Speaker 5: this into context as to historically how big this is

1022
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 5: in North American sports. I know globally there have been

1023
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 5: some crazy things Leicester City I hope I'm pronouncing that right.

1024
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 3: Keny in the NL, but that's great.

1025
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 5: I mean, Adam, where do you stand as to how

1026
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 5: how big what we're seeing right now is historically, at

1027
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 5: least in North America.

1028
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 7: I think it's really really tough to do it in

1029
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 7: the moment. I think it's like, right now, you're looking

1030
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 7: at it and you're experiencing it along the way, and

1031
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 7: you're thinking it's an expansion team that could win a title.

1032
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,720
Speaker 7: This is insane. It's crazy, how this, how this could happen.

1033
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 7: But I think there's so many different ways to look

1034
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:26,359
Speaker 7: at it, Like nobody thought this was possible in the

1035
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 7: grand scheme of things, an expansion team coming in and

1036
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 7: winning a championship would be one of the most amazing

1037
00:47:31,400 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 7: things I've ever seen, no question about it. But at

1038
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,879
Speaker 7: the same time, like as much as I hate to say,

1039
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,080
Speaker 7: because I'm loving this run and being a part of

1040
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 7: it and covering it and everything else, it is still hockey.

1041
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 7: And you know, you talk about it, like every time

1042
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 7: you watch the highlights, it's like the tenth thing on

1043
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 7: Sports Center. It's you know, on any of the national shows,

1044
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 7: except for you know, on NBC Sports Network, where it's

1045
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 7: covering it. You still see it buried and it's amazing.

1046
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 7: You know. I was having this argument last week is

1047
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 7: it one of the biggest sports stories of all time?

1048
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 7: And I was debating and I said, well, it's just

1049
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 7: not getting that kind of play, and somebody was saying,

1050
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 7: well it is. It's it's the biggest story ever and

1051
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 7: I can't believe how bigness is. And I said, okay, well,

1052
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 7: let's go look at some of my favorite sports blogs,

1053
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 7: and one of them, it was the twenty seventh story. Listening,

1054
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 7: I was like, you see, it's not it's still hockey.

1055
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 7: It's sad as it didn't say that. I just you know,

1056
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 7: it's tough for a hockey story to be that massive.

1057
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: Gotcha, all right, Well we're gonna move away from hockey,

1058
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:28,560
Speaker 1: then how about that?

1059
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 3: Well, let's let's talk.

1060
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,760
Speaker 1: Let's talk UFC Darren Till taking on Stephen WonderBoy Thompson.

1061
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 3: How do you see this fight playing out?

1062
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 7: Man?

1063
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 3: What's at stake here?

1064
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 7: You know, it's amazing this fight said, such a good fight,

1065
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 7: and I think there's such a difference of opinion on

1066
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 7: it because we've seen, you know, Stephen Thompson just so

1067
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 7: good at his best and when he's able to establish

1068
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,879
Speaker 7: what he wants to do, he's so good. Darren Till

1069
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 7: is that, you know the guy's coming up that everybody

1070
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 7: wants to see just how good he can be. And

1071
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 7: I'm excited to see that too. But I was I

1072
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,799
Speaker 7: was watching the fights the other night with some you know,

1073
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 7: some really good MMA people, and there was quite a

1074
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,239
Speaker 7: differentive opinion on exactly what's gonna happen in the fight,

1075
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 7: and I think that's what makes it interesting to see

1076
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 7: what happens, you know it does you know, does Thompson

1077
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 7: kind of teach a lesson and hey, I've been here before,

1078
00:49:17,640 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 7: I've done this, I've seen it all and come through it.

1079
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 7: As Darren Till show us once again that he's a

1080
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:27,359
Speaker 7: future superstar. I tend to think that Stephen Thompson has

1081
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 7: a good fight here and and I tend to lean

1082
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 7: that way a little bit, but I will not be

1083
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 7: surprised at all to see dar Until come out and

1084
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 7: you know, just be a dominant force once again.

1085
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 3: It is a fascinating fight.

1086
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: We have two amazing strikers in there, with two very

1087
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: different styles. But you know what's interesting as well is

1088
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: the fact that Stephen wonder Boy Thompson is kind of

1089
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: in UFC limbo mode, right, Like I mean, he's lost

1090
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: against Ton Woodley twice. If Tyron holds onto that belt,

1091
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: I'm not sure he'll ever fight for the title ever again,

1092
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: as good as he is. And then we have Darren Till,

1093
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: who's on the cusp, as you said, of maybe on

1094
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 1: the same trajectory as e Connor McGregor. He has the

1095
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:12,919
Speaker 1: UK very excited about his upcoming fight.

1096
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 3: He's looked phenomenal.

1097
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 1: He's coming off you know, some huge performances in the UFC.

1098
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:22,920
Speaker 1: Where do you see these guys going from here with

1099
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: a winner or loss?

1100
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean Darren Hill just takes off exponentially with

1101
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 7: a win. I mean that this is a massify for

1102
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 7: him to, you know, to beat another big name guy,

1103
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 7: and especially he doesn't impressively. You know, his stock sores,

1104
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,760
Speaker 7: no question about it. But I think you're right about

1105
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 7: you know, Steven Thompson is in a case where he's

1106
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,799
Speaker 7: just he's just gonna have to keep winning, yeah, and

1107
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 7: hope that maybe something happens and change his hands at

1108
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 7: the top of the division. He's kind of in that

1109
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 7: like a Joseph and Avita spot almost, you know, of

1110
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,520
Speaker 7: just being you know, just a really really impressive fighter,

1111
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 7: a really good fighter who might have his ceiling at

1112
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 7: some point because you can't seem to get over the

1113
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 7: top in the division against that guy. It's a it's

1114
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 7: a tough spot for it to be in. But you know,

1115
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 7: I think he knows that it's a matter of just

1116
00:51:14,560 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 7: keep winning and hoping something changes it top. Because those fights,

1117
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 7: as much as I thought they were fascinating to watch

1118
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,560
Speaker 7: and to see what the you know, the mental game

1119
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 7: between those guys was. It's a tough sell to get

1120
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 7: that fight again, as you mentioned, to do Woodley Thompson

1121
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 7: once again, unless unless you know, they just destroy all

1122
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 7: other comers in the division. And there's a lot of

1123
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 7: them right now. So there's a lot of new talent,

1124
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 7: a lot of guys that are contenders, a lot of

1125
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 7: guys that keep winning. So that is a tough sell again.

1126
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 7: So Thompson is in that spot of hey, just keep winning,

1127
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 7: hope something changes at the top, and get a couple

1128
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:49,879
Speaker 7: of victories and make your case. But yeah, it would

1129
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 7: be a tough sell to get another title show.

1130
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 3: All right, last MMA thing for me.

1131
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 5: Then, in terms of this welterweight division, the interim title

1132
00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 5: is going to be on the line June ninth. No

1133
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 5: betting on that I saw this morning. I expect halfe

1134
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 5: a El Dosanjos to open as the betting favorite against

1135
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:07,360
Speaker 5: Colby Covington. But how do you handicap Colby Covington's chances?

1136
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 5: Because I have yet to find an expert who is

1137
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 5: picking him in the fight, despite the fact that more

1138
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,640
Speaker 5: often than not in the UFC he has dominated every challenge,

1139
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 5: and I guess I'm just surprised that there isn't more

1140
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 5: momentum at least in terms of people backing Covington to

1141
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 5: actually win this fight and sort of, you know, back

1142
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,239
Speaker 5: up all the trash talk and everything else.

1143
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 7: Well, I guess that's I think that's what takes away

1144
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 7: from maybe what he's done, is people look at him,

1145
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:37,359
Speaker 7: I think, and you know, this is just my read

1146
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 7: on how other people are seeing things. I'm just trying

1147
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 7: to read people's minds. I think a lot of people

1148
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 7: look at him as he's just the guy that talks

1149
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 7: and he's just the guy that does the weird things.

1150
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 7: And then yeah, he's won some fights, but it's really that,

1151
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 7: you know, he's talked his way to this and you know,

1152
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 7: maybe he doesn't deserve it, and I think that's where

1153
00:52:53,880 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 7: a lot of people are coming from. I think when

1154
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 7: you look at it, his performances have been impressive. He

1155
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 7: might not have got all attention and he might not

1156
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,239
Speaker 7: have you know, risen his fast the division if it

1157
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 7: wasn't for the talking. But he has been winning fights

1158
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 7: and he has been doing it impressively, So I think

1159
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 7: that that gets lost a little bit in the shuffle

1160
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 7: when you talk about Kobe Covington. Now, I'm not going

1161
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 7: to pick him to win this fight. I think Cotondos wins.

1162
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 7: But I think that's where you get the you know

1163
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,600
Speaker 7: a lot of people just picking against him and saying, well,

1164
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 7: he's not gonna win. He's not you know, he's not

1165
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 7: deserving of this, or he's not warranted to be in

1166
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 7: this position because he's talked his way into it. I

1167
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 7: don't know if that's the case. I mean, it helps,

1168
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 7: and it helps you get attention, and it helps drive

1169
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 7: you up the ratings a little bit and get you

1170
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 7: better shots, but you also have to do in the cage,

1171
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 7: and I think he's been doing that. I just think

1172
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 7: he's really taken away from what he's done by some

1173
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 7: of the stuff that he said, and I think people

1174
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 7: are just picking against him for that reason.

1175
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1176
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:50,080
Speaker 5: No, I think that's fair. And RDA's current form certainly

1177
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:52,239
Speaker 5: isn't helping him. But I would be surprised to see

1178
00:53:52,239 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 5: Covington much sweeter than plus one fifty plus one fifty five.

1179
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 3: But I could be wrong, all right.

1180
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 5: Final thing, so we hung out a little bit when

1181
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:01,600
Speaker 5: I lived in Las Vegas, Right, I lived there for

1182
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 5: four years. I'm wearing a Vegas Golden Night's hat that

1183
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 5: I bought in October. Okay, obviously, if the Boston Bruins

1184
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 5: were still playing, they have my heart and I could

1185
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 5: never compare anything to that. But I have supported this

1186
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 5: team from afar. I mean, are you are y'all in Vegas?

1187
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 5: Like you guys trying to like control the fan base?

1188
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 5: You want me to take my hat off? Is it

1189
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 5: okay if I root for the team?

1190
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 3: Like? Where do I stand?

1191
00:54:26,440 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 7: I mean, I think being here for a while, I

1192
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 7: think you're okay. It's it's the people that have I

1193
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 7: don't know. There are certain people that are all obsessed

1194
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 7: with two different teams, and people have been obsessed with

1195
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 7: one team for a long time that have now jumped over,

1196
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 7: and it's a little bit bothered. So I'm now just

1197
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 7: for a full disclosure. I am known in Vegas. You know,

1198
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 7: I did the radio show here as the most anti

1199
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 7: VGK person around. But that it's not fair. It's totally

1200
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 7: not fair. I just have been I've been realistic about things,

1201
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 7: and I guess I've been kind of cautioning against you

1202
00:55:00,160 --> 00:55:02,760
Speaker 7: getting carried away, which was probably wrong. At this point,

1203
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 7: but I think, you know, people have said out a

1204
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 7: like one of the things that I think have been

1205
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 7: a problem for me is that I'm sorry, I'm getting

1206
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,720
Speaker 7: a call if I'm cutting up here. For two years,

1207
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 7: I spent telling I spent telling people how important it

1208
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 7: is that they're getting a team, how how fun this

1209
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 7: is going to be to have major league sports here

1210
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 7: in Vegas. I've been singing, singing the praises of how

1211
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 7: big you know, how big it is to have major

1212
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:29,920
Speaker 7: league sports in Vegas, And people are like, yeah, it's

1213
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:32,600
Speaker 7: just hockey. It's just hockey. Who cares? And I'm like, no,

1214
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 7: you don't understand. When, like the day that they made

1215
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 7: the announcement, the day that they made the name, you know,

1216
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 7: they announced the team name, the day season tickets want

1217
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 7: to say, all these dates, I was like, this is

1218
00:55:41,960 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 7: so big, this is so important, and people were like, oh,

1219
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,319
Speaker 7: shut up, you're just you know, you're just playing their

1220
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:48,200
Speaker 7: hype game and all this other stuff. And then all

1221
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 7: of a sudden they start winning and it's the greatest

1222
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 7: thing that ever happened in the city. And I'm like, yeh,

1223
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,040
Speaker 7: I've been telling you guys this for years. What are

1224
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 7: you talking about? So it was kind of annoying to me.

1225
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,400
Speaker 7: I guess a lot of the people that are just

1226
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,040
Speaker 7: jumping on board. But you know, at this point, it's

1227
00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 7: tough not to cheer for this team. I guess I'll

1228
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 7: conceive that there are, you know, a bunch of guys

1229
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:09,320
Speaker 7: that are just having fun with it. And Mark Arfrey

1230
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 7: Flurry getting to know him a little bit this year,

1231
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 7: is just as far as athletes go. I mean, he's

1232
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 7: one of the most humble, like down to earth, just

1233
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 7: like nice people I've ever dealt with in sports. So

1234
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 7: it's tough not to cheer for a lot of these guys.

1235
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 7: I could see that, and you were around here enough,

1236
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:29,480
Speaker 7: so I mean, you're okay. But there is a part

1237
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,080
Speaker 7: of the bandwagon that's just completely obnoxious.

1238
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 5: No, and that's all fair, and I appreciate you giving

1239
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 5: me the go ahead to keep cheering for the Vegas

1240
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 5: Golden Knights and we'll see how it plays out. I

1241
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:41,640
Speaker 5: think there's a part of Adam Hill that would like

1242
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 5: nothing more than to see the Tampa Bay Lightning dust

1243
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,319
Speaker 5: the Vegas Golden Knights or the Capitals and not have

1244
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 5: them finish the job. But I appreciate your insight and

1245
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 5: we look forward to talking to you at some point

1246
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 5: before football season and about your Buffalo Bills. But wonder

1247
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 5: Boys on hold, so I gotta let you go. We

1248
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 5: love you, Congrats to Vegas. Tell Cofield to fuck off.

1249
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,239
Speaker 7: Wow, that's strong, and thank you for making me the

1250
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 7: arbiter of all being Golden Knights fans.

1251
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1252
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 3: Hey, well it's a good role for you. So thanks

1253
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:11,320
Speaker 3: for the time, buddy.

1254
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,120
Speaker 5: We'll talk to you soon anytime, you guys, And of

1255
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 5: course I jest with our good buddy Steve Cofield, who's

1256
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 5: probably loving this Vegas Golden Knights run as we speak,

1257
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 5: but now with us on the guest line. He is

1258
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 5: one of the most accomplished American strikers to ever grace

1259
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 5: the octagon, and he's maintained status really in the UFC.

1260
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 5: Is one of the best welterweights in the world for

1261
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 5: four or five years now. And I think you might

1262
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 5: just see him, by the way in the future as

1263
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 5: the bachelor on ABC in case there have been nature

1264
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 5: changes in his love life recently. Steven Warner Boy Thompson

1265
00:57:40,360 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 5: is with us WB. Always appreciate the time, man.

1266
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 9: How are you oh feeling great? Man? We are in

1267
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,080
Speaker 9: Liverpool sucking down the water right now, you know, getting

1268
00:57:48,120 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 9: getting this this this weight cut ready and you know,

1269
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 9: glad to be on with you guys.

1270
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 5: So how was the trip, When did you get there?

1271
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 5: And has your life been threatened yet?

1272
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 9: It has not been threatened yet. Actually the fans have

1273
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 9: been pretty cool so far. We got it actually yesterday

1274
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 9: around eight o'clock am. So the jet lag kind of

1275
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 9: got to us a little bit. But feeling good today.

1276
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 9: And just for prepping, man, you know, got a got

1277
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 9: in a few days early, just to prepare for the

1278
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 9: you know, just get acclimated to the area and the

1279
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 9: jet lag. But I'm feeling strong, my friend, feeling strong.

1280
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 5: Well, you sound strong, And fans in the UK are

1281
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 5: as knowledgeable and passionate as any in the world. And

1282
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 5: I bet they love you. See Stephen Thompson's got a

1283
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 5: big fan base. I remember New York was all about

1284
00:58:32,960 --> 00:58:34,760
Speaker 5: you the two or three times you fought there.

1285
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 3: So this is your thirteenth uftually fight.

1286
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 5: Overall, what are your expectations for this fight and this

1287
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:44,240
Speaker 5: atmosphere that you're going to be walking into this Saturday night.

1288
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 9: Well, you know, you know, fighting in in you know,

1289
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 9: enemy territory can get to some people, But you know,

1290
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:52,000
Speaker 9: I'm kind of enjoying it. To be honest with you,

1291
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 9: when you think of a bad guy, You're not thinking

1292
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 9: of Steven Warner, Boy Thompson, you know what I mean.

1293
00:58:57,640 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 9: So I don't know if I'm you know, I guess

1294
00:58:59,400 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 9: I'm considered a bad guy in this situation, you know,

1295
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 9: Till being uh you know, from Liverpool, but uh yeah, man,

1296
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 9: the fans are very passionate here and I understand that

1297
00:59:09,160 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 9: I'm not gonna be cheered on, uh you know, like

1298
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:14,680
Speaker 9: I am, like Darren till Is, I'll probably end up

1299
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 9: getting booed, but it's it's kind of making it a

1300
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 9: fun thing. To be honest, I'm kind of excited to

1301
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 9: kind of go out there and you know, be that

1302
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 9: bad guy with a smile on my face.

1303
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 11: Yeah you're fighting that and Till and living Pool if

1304
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:36,240
Speaker 11: fuck Livingpool man, living Pool living poo perfect accent?

1305
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,800
Speaker 3: Are you gonna be Listen? What do you think about

1306
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:40,680
Speaker 3: Darren it?

1307
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: Do you think he's gonna come out and really try

1308
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: to pressure you and look for that knockout right right

1309
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: from the beginning.

1310
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 3: What are you expecting from Tilling this fight?

1311
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 7: You know?

1312
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 9: I think so, I think he's gonna come out aggressive,

1313
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 9: which is I don't mind. You know, most of the

1314
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,160
Speaker 9: guys out of face in the UFC are really aggressive fighters,

1315
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 9: except retiring. But you know, uh, that's something that I'm

1316
00:59:58,360 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 9: used to. He says, you're gonna knock me out in

1317
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:01,600
Speaker 9: the say round, so that kind of tells me that

1318
01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 9: he's going to come out pretty aggressive, trying to get

1319
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 9: it done. You know, he's a good striker, keeps his

1320
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:09,560
Speaker 9: right side forward, throws his left hand, left leg kick,

1321
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 9: he likes to throw elbows, and not your traditional movie

1322
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 9: high stylist. To be honest with you, he's a little

1323
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,600
Speaker 9: bit different, you know. But there's a lot of course,

1324
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 9: there's holes in everybody's in everybody's game, but I think

1325
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 9: there is, you know, especially if he's going to come

1326
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 9: out aggressive, there's gonna be plenty of opportunity to put

1327
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 9: this guy away. Of course, I don't like going out

1328
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 9: and predicting a knockout. You know, I'm ready for five

1329
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 9: or five in the rounds, but hey man, you never know.

1330
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,360
Speaker 1: You know, for me looking from the outside, and it

1331
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,880
Speaker 1: seems that an aggressive fighter tends to bring out the

1332
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: best in Steven WonderBoy Tooms, do you agree with that

1333
01:00:45,320 --> 01:00:45,680
Speaker 1: I do.

1334
01:00:45,960 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 9: I do. I love it, man, I guess with with

1335
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 9: my karate style, I mean there's a lot there's the

1336
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 9: aggressive fighters tend to run into a lot of things,

1337
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 9: if it's a foot, if it's a hand, which you

1338
01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 9: know makes those knockouts a little bit easier. Of course,

1339
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 9: I don't think, you know, Darren Till is going to

1340
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 9: be an easy, easy win whatsoever. I think he's going

1341
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 9: to be the best there until you know, he's fighting

1342
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 9: in his hometown in front of his family and friends,

1343
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:08,760
Speaker 9: so I know he's going to be prepared. So I

1344
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,840
Speaker 9: don't expect it to be easy at all. But do

1345
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 9: I visualize my hand being raised in this fight? Of course? Man.

1346
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,640
Speaker 9: Of course, he's ranked number seven right now, and you

1347
01:01:18,640 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 9: know I'm still ranked number one, And to be honest

1348
01:01:20,840 --> 01:01:25,360
Speaker 9: with you, you know I wasn't at first when I

1349
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 9: was approached for this fight. I wasn't gonna take it.

1350
01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 9: You know, I had two broken thumbs and was kind

1351
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 9: of wanted to see where the weltsweight division was going.

1352
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 9: But you know that said, here I am man getting

1353
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 9: ready to fight this coming Sunday and read to Rock and.

1354
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 3: Roll, Stephen, what do you think you need to do.

1355
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 1: Assuming Tyran holds onto that belt, what do you think

1356
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 1: you need to do to get that third fight against Tyron?

1357
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 9: You know, if I go out there and really put

1358
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 9: on a show, and it kind of really depends on

1359
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 9: who fights Tyron next, you know, the interim title. I

1360
01:01:56,560 --> 01:01:58,760
Speaker 9: think match should be coming up here pretty soon, pretty

1361
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 9: pretty pretty cool. I think depending on who wins, that

1362
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 9: will determine whether I get that immediate next shot or

1363
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 9: I may have to fight a few times. I think

1364
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:11,200
Speaker 9: if RDA or Kobe Covington be Tyron, I'll get that

1365
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 9: next shot. If Tyron wins, I'll probably have to fight

1366
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:15,560
Speaker 9: one more time in order to get that shot. So

1367
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:17,360
Speaker 9: it's kind of up in the air right now.

1368
01:02:18,640 --> 01:02:21,480
Speaker 5: Simpsonville, South Carolina, Stephen Warner Boy Thompson with us on

1369
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,040
Speaker 5: the Anakin Flooring Podcast fights Darren Till in the main event.

1370
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 5: You can see it's Saturday afternoon on FS one here

1371
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 5: in the States. I think it's Sunday. So can you

1372
01:02:29,560 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 5: recall the most hostile environment that you've competed in as

1373
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:35,200
Speaker 5: an athlete? Because I think if anybody else was walking

1374
01:02:35,240 --> 01:02:38,120
Speaker 5: in there against Darren Till, you know, they might really

1375
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 5: be in for it. But I think your nature and

1376
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 5: your appeal is such that maybe they'll be kind of

1377
01:02:42,560 --> 01:02:43,120
Speaker 5: easy on you.

1378
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 9: I don't know, man, I don't know. They are very

1379
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 9: passionate about their fighters, and you know, Darren being from Liverpool,

1380
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,440
Speaker 9: it might get a little crazy, but hopefully, you know,

1381
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 9: there's a huge soccer gang going on excuse me, football

1382
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 9: game going on Saturday, so hopefully they'll get a lot

1383
01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 9: of those frustrations and energy out then. But you know,

1384
01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 9: I'm expecting booze, man, I'm expecting everybody's going to be

1385
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,400
Speaker 9: off for till and you know I'm expecting that. But

1386
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 9: you know, I want to go out with a smile

1387
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 9: on my face and be respectful for everybody and go

1388
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:16,480
Speaker 9: out there and leave with the w and hopefully leave

1389
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,120
Speaker 9: Liverpool with a few extra fans. So that's the plan, man,

1390
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,040
Speaker 9: that's the plan. So far since I've been here in

1391
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 9: the past two days, everybody's been great, to be honest

1392
01:03:24,600 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 9: with you.

1393
01:03:24,920 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 5: Yeah, how do you gauge fan interest for a given

1394
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,640
Speaker 5: fight of yours? I don't know if it's through social

1395
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 5: media or otherwise, because I would think this one is

1396
01:03:33,880 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 5: off the charts, like I'm not going I can't wait,

1397
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:39,960
Speaker 5: dude to sit down and watch this fight on fs Y.

1398
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 5: I mean, are you do you sense that from the

1399
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 5: fans that like, people are all sorts of jacked up

1400
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 5: for this fight in particular, Oh.

1401
01:03:46,600 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 9: Definitely, especially through social media what everybody's been talking about,

1402
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 9: you know, being one of the best stand up fights

1403
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:55,400
Speaker 9: in twenty eighteen. So and you know, I've prepared really

1404
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 9: hard for this fight. You know, I look at as

1405
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:01,040
Speaker 9: if Darren Till has the title, and that's what I'm winning.

1406
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:04,080
Speaker 9: That title is against him. So even though everybody's like,

1407
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 9: even though he's ranking number seven, everybody thinks, I'm just

1408
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,160
Speaker 9: gonna moth through this guy, But everybody in this division,

1409
01:04:09,240 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 9: everybody in the UFC has the potential to put you away,

1410
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 9: you know. I mean I remember watching the Kabid's last fight.

1411
01:04:16,200 --> 01:04:18,240
Speaker 9: The guy he fought was way down in the rankings,

1412
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 9: but gave him one of his hardest fights, I think,

1413
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 9: especially in recent times. I mean, you know, he definitely

1414
01:04:26,680 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 9: definitely made him work a little bit a lot harder

1415
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 9: than what Barbosa did, you know, and he was lower

1416
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 9: in the rankings. So I'm not I'm preparing for war.

1417
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,080
Speaker 9: That's what I'm preparing for. And I think the fans

1418
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 9: kind of sense that, and that's what I'm gonna give.

1419
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 9: I'll go out there and put on a show for

1420
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,880
Speaker 9: them and for everybody who helped give me here. So

1421
01:04:44,840 --> 01:04:45,760
Speaker 9: I'm prepared for that.

1422
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 5: A couple more minutes here with Steven Warner boy Thompson

1423
01:04:48,680 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 5: joining us live from Liverpool. Now, if you told us

1424
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 5: you were twenty five years old without checking IDs, no

1425
01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:55,400
Speaker 5: one would bad an eye. But you are thirty five

1426
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 5: years old till ten years your junior. He's twenty five.

1427
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 5: But on paper, you have a huge edge in terms

1428
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:06,720
Speaker 5: of level of competition, championship experience. I mean maybe not

1429
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 5: the edge and m M a experience similar amount of fights.

1430
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 5: But do you see that as a big advantage or

1431
01:05:12,320 --> 01:05:15,120
Speaker 5: is that overrated? When you're looking at a singular fight.

1432
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 9: You know what, it really depends on the fighters. Sometimes

1433
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 9: you can tell if it if it makes a difference,

1434
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:23,200
Speaker 9: you know, you know, listening to the guys interviews and

1435
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 9: things like that. But to be honest with you, I

1436
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 9: don't I don't think it. I don't think Darren really cares.

1437
01:05:28,920 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 9: I do think it's it is a little bit more

1438
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:33,160
Speaker 9: pressure on him because he is fighting in his hometown

1439
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 9: in front of everybody, and this is one of the

1440
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:38,520
Speaker 9: biggest fights of his career so far. I mean, he's

1441
01:05:38,560 --> 01:05:42,080
Speaker 9: fought main events before against uh, you know, Donald Cerroni,

1442
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:44,840
Speaker 9: but he's never been five five in a rounds and

1443
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 9: uh you know, we'll see how he does. I've had

1444
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 9: many fights going to the distance in some of the

1445
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 9: hardest fights in uh man, in my career, I know.

1446
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 9: And I've been through, you know, situations where most people

1447
01:05:57,880 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 9: would give up, you know, in those five five in

1448
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 9: a round fights, and having that experience with those high

1449
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 9: level MMA fighters. But to be honest with you, I

1450
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,240
Speaker 9: think Darren he's a smart guy man, and I don't

1451
01:06:11,240 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 9: think he that kind of stuff bothers him. So well,

1452
01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 9: that's the kind of Darren I'm prepared for. Anyway.

1453
01:06:16,920 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 5: Between June of twenty sixteen in March of twenty seventeen,

1454
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,240
Speaker 5: a span of nine months, you fought three twenty five

1455
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 5: minute fights in the UFC, the title fights would lead

1456
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 5: that headliner against Rory McDonald, a lot of championship experience.

1457
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 5: I wonder if those fights hadn't all happened in nine months.

1458
01:06:31,040 --> 01:06:33,400
Speaker 5: I mean, was that calendar for you for that Woodly

1459
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,040
Speaker 5: rematch a little much or did you feel like maybe

1460
01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 5: the activity and being in training camp after training camp

1461
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 5: actually was a benefit off fight.

1462
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 9: You know what, I'm very positive guy, and I look

1463
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 9: as you know, a positive thing, you know, going out

1464
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 9: there and going going ten rounds with the champion, man

1465
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:56,320
Speaker 9: with the champion, so you know, he's just not somebody

1466
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 9: and everybody expected, you know, in some of those some

1467
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 9: of those fights were kind of controversial. Some people said

1468
01:07:02,080 --> 01:07:03,800
Speaker 9: I want it, and so sure said he want it,

1469
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 9: and you know, so I look at it as that.

1470
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 9: So that is huge experience for me and I think

1471
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,200
Speaker 9: it's a bonus for me as well. So I did

1472
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:13,800
Speaker 9: take a little time off because I had a knee

1473
01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 9: injury ear you know, after the first time and fight,

1474
01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 9: had a little bit of time off, you know from

1475
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,280
Speaker 9: my last fight with Mozital where I broke both my thumbs.

1476
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:26,640
Speaker 9: So my body's actually doing very well, you know, training

1477
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 9: smart and I am thirty five. I'm not getting any younger,

1478
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,439
Speaker 9: but I let it consider myself a young thirty five

1479
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 9: year old. I don't take a whole lot of damage.

1480
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 9: I try not to anyway, and I think that that

1481
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:39,440
Speaker 9: plays a huge part in the longevity of my career.

1482
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,920
Speaker 9: So I mean, he may be ten years. I may

1483
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 9: be ten years a senior, but you know what, I

1484
01:07:44,680 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 9: don't think that matters going in this fight. I'm I'm

1485
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:49,120
Speaker 9: in the best shape of my life.

1486
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 3: Well, you couldn't sound any better.

1487
01:07:51,320 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 12: Man.

1488
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 5: The UFC's number one rank welterweight contender, Stephen water Boy Thompson,

1489
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 5: faces Darren Till in front of a sellout Crowned Liverpool

1490
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 5: this weekend. You can see it on FS one. Hey man,

1491
01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 5: I know it's a busy time. We sincerely appreciate you

1492
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,280
Speaker 5: breaking away for a few minutes. Hope the cut goes

1493
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:08,400
Speaker 5: well and we look forward to watching this weekend. My man,

1494
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:08,920
Speaker 5: all the best.

1495
01:08:10,680 --> 01:08:12,520
Speaker 9: Thanks a lot, guys, I really do appreciate it, and

1496
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 9: hopefully we'll talk to you guys after.

1497
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:16,679
Speaker 5: My man, thank you so much. There he is Stephen

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Speaker 5: wonder Boy Thompson with us on the Annik and Florian Podcast.

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Speaker 5: I cannot wait for that fight. And to that end,

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Speaker 5: Ken Flows got to make some picks. Let us get

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01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:26,720
Speaker 5: to the main event challenge.

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01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 4: It's the main event challenge.

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01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:32,880
Speaker 3: The time is most definitely n.

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01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:38,200
Speaker 11: I fished fine, how do everything both we'll do.

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01:08:38,240 --> 01:08:42,320
Speaker 4: Win the main event challenge. The John Annick and Kenny

1506
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:43,520
Speaker 4: Florian podcast.

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01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 5: Well, today's guest picker grew up in Buffalo, New York,

1508
01:08:46,560 --> 01:08:48,519
Speaker 5: but he's a Celtics and Red Sox fan. I don't

1509
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:51,280
Speaker 5: even know how that happens. Proud today to be repping

1510
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:54,799
Speaker 5: the United States Navy. Jonathan M. Salgado is with us. Jonathan,

1511
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 5: appreciate your time today, sir.

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01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 3: How are you?

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01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:57,760
Speaker 7: I'm great? How are you good?

1514
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 5: We're doing well, and collectively we all thank you for

1515
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 5: your service. So you're a self described ravenous watcher of

1516
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:05,839
Speaker 5: the UFC. You have been for more than a decade.

1517
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 5: It says you're Kenny Florian is your all time favorite fighter.

1518
01:09:10,720 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 5: I know that can't be right.

1519
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 3: Is that true? Jonathan? Kenflow number one for you all time?

1520
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:18,360
Speaker 12: Unfortunately it is.

1521
01:09:18,439 --> 01:09:21,959
Speaker 3: Actually you gotta watch you gotta watch more. UFC man.

1522
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,519
Speaker 12: Since a tough one, and you know he was just

1523
01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 12: such a nice guy.

1524
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 3: Thank you very much. I appreciate that very kind. So

1525
01:09:35,240 --> 01:09:37,280
Speaker 3: how do you grow up in Buffalo and root for

1526
01:09:37,320 --> 01:09:38,639
Speaker 3: the Celtics? How does that happen?

1527
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 12: Painfully?

1528
01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 3: That's yeah?

1529
01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:46,360
Speaker 12: I bet, I bet everybody's a Bills and Sabers and

1530
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 12: Yankees fan, and I just decided to be difficult and

1531
01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:50,280
Speaker 12: go the opposite away and everything.

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01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:51,200
Speaker 3: Yes, we like that.

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01:09:51,240 --> 01:09:53,000
Speaker 5: We're happy to have you and happy to have you

1534
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 5: making picks today. I know you know your stuff. UFC

1535
01:09:55,200 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 5: Liverpool this weekend. Thomps until in the main event. I've

1536
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 5: been thinking it's a Saturday show. I think it's Sunday.

1537
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:03,960
Speaker 5: I gotta dop my eyes, cross my t's before the

1538
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 5: picks will update the standings. Fifty three forty going into

1539
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 5: UFC Chile. You went head to head with our buddy

1540
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,960
Speaker 5: Jimmy U Beilee. You guys tied five to five, So

1541
01:10:12,120 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 5: fifty eight forty five heading into UFC Liverpool. First fight

1542
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:17,640
Speaker 5: for US today should be a good one here at

1543
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 5: featherweight Mississippi Mean Jason Knight taking on mister Finland Makwan

1544
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 5: Amirkani so Amirkanie three and one in the UFC, but

1545
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 5: he did drop his last fight split decision to Arnold Allen.

1546
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 5: Jason Knight amazing to think where this kid was a

1547
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:34,479
Speaker 5: year ago. Literally May thirteenth, twenty seventeen, finishes Chas Skelly

1548
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 5: four consecutive wins, then closes out the year with back

1549
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 5: to back losses to Ricardo Lamas and then Gabriel Benitez.

1550
01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 3: So Mississippi.

1551
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 5: Mean, I would think Jonathan needs a win here, so

1552
01:10:45,720 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 5: does mister Finland. Which way you going, the American Jason

1553
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:53,360
Speaker 5: Knight or the Finland product Makwan Amir Khan.

1554
01:10:53,720 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 12: You know, I actually worked down in New Orleans and Mississippi,

1555
01:10:57,240 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 12: meaning is training about an hour east of me. Have

1556
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,200
Speaker 12: to look over my shoulder for the next week because

1557
01:11:02,200 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 12: I'm actually going with Makwanimir Kani. I think you should

1558
01:11:05,160 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 12: have the blueprints out on how to be Jason Knight.

1559
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:09,640
Speaker 12: He just maintained good distance. He exposes a lot of

1560
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 12: striking with good counters, you know, avoid the scrambles. That

1561
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 12: seems to be where he shines, and I think Kamir

1562
01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:17,759
Speaker 12: Kanie can do that. He's got the background in Greco

1563
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 12: Roman and freestyle wrestling. He maintained good top control. I

1564
01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 12: think he comes out with a you know, maybe not exciting,

1565
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 12: but the decisive win.

1566
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 3: Kenny Jason Knike.

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01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:29,320
Speaker 5: Go'll be interesting to see what he has done in

1568
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 5: terms of improvement since the Gabriel Benitez fight. Makwanimir Kani

1569
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:35,240
Speaker 5: the challenge this weekend. I know you know both guys

1570
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:36,320
Speaker 5: pretty well. Which way you're going?

1571
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I think John is correct I see Amir

1572
01:11:41,200 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: Kanie being able to stop the takedown. As I know

1573
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 1: he's been taking time off why to actually improve his game.

1574
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: I really like the fact that he's been been able

1575
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:54,200
Speaker 1: to do that and taking his martial arts career very seriously.

1576
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:58,560
Speaker 1: Jason Knight, I think can be dangerous with his submissions.

1577
01:11:58,600 --> 01:11:59,880
Speaker 1: I just don't know if he's going to be able

1578
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 1: to get that fight to the ground enough and get you.

1579
01:12:03,280 --> 01:12:06,280
Speaker 1: I'm her Kannie in trouble. I'm gonna go with the

1580
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:10,120
Speaker 1: finish fighter. I'm your Connie all right.

1581
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:14,360
Speaker 5: Comin event Boys, England's Craig the Thundercat White make it

1582
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 5: his UFC debut on twelve days notice, steps in for

1583
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 5: Goodar Nelson against Neil Magni. This guy should be Craig

1584
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:23,600
Speaker 5: Bor Sorry and Dana White's favorite fighter, Craig White fourteen

1585
01:12:23,640 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 5: and seven is Craig White. He has won his last

1586
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 5: four though Ken Flow biggest name he has fought, at

1587
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 5: least to my knowledge, Leon Edwards, that was twenty twelve.

1588
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 5: So here he faces Neil Magni. Nineteenth UFC appearance Jonathan

1589
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 5: for Neil Magne beat Carlos Kondit back in December. No

1590
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:40,680
Speaker 5: betting line as yet for the comane event, John, you

1591
01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 5: go in with White or Magne.

1592
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 12: You know, Neil Magni is one of those guys that

1593
01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:48,000
Speaker 12: when I see his name on the card, I just

1594
01:12:48,080 --> 01:12:50,120
Speaker 12: I'm thankful that I'm not a how you would say,

1595
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 12: degenerate gambler, because you know, he wins when he shouldn't

1596
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 12: and he comes out and he doesn't look great when

1597
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:02,280
Speaker 12: he's a favorite, and it's kind of frustrating, but you know,

1598
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:04,719
Speaker 12: he is coming off that win over Carlo Condit, although

1599
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 12: everybody kind of agrees that it was kind of a

1600
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:10,160
Speaker 12: shell of Carlo Conda that we're not use to seeing.

1601
01:13:10,680 --> 01:13:14,160
Speaker 12: And I think Craig White comes in. He's got nothing

1602
01:13:14,200 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 12: to the loose. He's a wild finisher, and I think

1603
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 12: he kind of surprises Neil Magne. And it's in front

1604
01:13:20,040 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 12: of his home countryman, I think he pulls off the upset.

1605
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 5: How about it, Jonathan coming hard today? Picking Craig White,

1606
01:13:26,760 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 5: You're probably gonna get a pretty juicy price on that.

1607
01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:32,200
Speaker 5: I would think Ken Flow Magni versus White, which way

1608
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 5: you go?

1609
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:34,920
Speaker 3: Interesting? Well, you know, I'm gonna go with Neil Magne here.

1610
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:38,360
Speaker 1: I think he's a guy who plays it pretty safe

1611
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:39,800
Speaker 1: for the most part. I think he's gonna be able

1612
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 1: to use that jab, keep White on the outside and

1613
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 1: probably wins this fight by decision.

1614
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,120
Speaker 5: All right, main event. We've spent a bulk of the

1615
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:50,600
Speaker 5: show on it. Absolutely outstanding Steven wonder Boy, Thompson the

1616
01:13:50,680 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 5: minus one sixty five betting favorite or so, Darren Till

1617
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 5: coming back about plus one forty wonder Boy trying to

1618
01:13:57,560 --> 01:14:00,000
Speaker 5: do enough here as Kenny sort of mentioned to potentially

1619
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 5: are on a third title shot. He did beat Jorge

1620
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,760
Speaker 5: Mosfiedal in November, trying to make it two in a

1621
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 5: row here against the gorilla Darren Till, who I really

1622
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:10,200
Speaker 5: think is coming into his own and I really think

1623
01:14:10,240 --> 01:14:13,000
Speaker 5: this is like the perfect test at this time for him.

1624
01:14:13,280 --> 01:14:16,040
Speaker 5: He's sixteen oh to one overall four oh and one

1625
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 5: in the UFC. Jonathan, this is the main event. We

1626
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 5: will need the method of victory in the round. Are

1627
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 5: you going Thompson or Till? In Liverpool?

1628
01:14:23,600 --> 01:14:25,640
Speaker 12: You know, I was going back and forth with my

1629
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 12: wife and the kitchen, just talking her ear off about

1630
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 12: this fight, and I'm pretty I'm still pretty torn. But uh,

1631
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,680
Speaker 12: you know, Wonder Boys looks pretty untouchable. Besides, you know,

1632
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:37,519
Speaker 12: the few moments that he got rocked against Woodley. But

1633
01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 12: you got to go all the way back to the

1634
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,680
Speaker 12: Matt Brown fight to find something where we're kind of

1635
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:43,320
Speaker 12: a flaw. And then I look at Matt Brown, I go,

1636
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:45,680
Speaker 12: what did he have? He was long, he was aggressive,

1637
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:48,200
Speaker 12: and he kind of wasn't afraid of wonder boys striking,

1638
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,080
Speaker 12: and I think that's going to be the key here.

1639
01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 12: I think Darren til is big, He's got the links,

1640
01:14:52,600 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 12: he's aggressive, and he can close distance really fast, and

1641
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:58,320
Speaker 12: I just think it's his time. We've seen a change

1642
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 12: in the guard in almost every division and I think

1643
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 12: it continues in Liverpool. I think he gets the home

1644
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 12: time win. I think it's close, but I think maybe

1645
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,080
Speaker 12: a little home court advantage plays in there and he

1646
01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:10,439
Speaker 12: gets the split decision win.

1647
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:14,160
Speaker 5: Split decision win for Darren Till, who has said he

1648
01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 5: is going to knock out Steven wonder Boy Thompson in

1649
01:15:16,120 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 5: the second round. There has been some respect mixed in there, Kenny.

1650
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 5: I mean, I think Darren Hill understands what type of

1651
01:15:22,320 --> 01:15:24,080
Speaker 5: challenge is in front of him. I just think he

1652
01:15:24,160 --> 01:15:27,759
Speaker 5: is pouring with confidence and can't bottle that. Your thoughts

1653
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 5: on this fascinating Striker's Delight this weekend and ultimately which

1654
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 5: way you go listen.

1655
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:34,320
Speaker 1: I think Darren Hill is a fantastic fighter. I think

1656
01:15:34,320 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 1: he has every right to be confident heading into this fight.

1657
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 1: I just don't think he truly realizes what kind of

1658
01:15:41,040 --> 01:15:43,400
Speaker 1: a special fighter he's going to be in there with

1659
01:15:43,560 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 1: in Steven wonder Boy Thompson. I also think his aggressive style,

1660
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:50,439
Speaker 1: if he comes in with that style, will be a

1661
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:52,720
Speaker 1: poor choice. I think that brings out the best in

1662
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 1: Steven wonder Boy Thompson. I think wonder Boy will find

1663
01:15:56,160 --> 01:15:59,320
Speaker 1: a way to counter Darren Till and catch him and

1664
01:15:59,360 --> 01:16:02,080
Speaker 1: eventually get at the knockout win in and around the

1665
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:04,800
Speaker 1: second and third let's go with uh, let's go with

1666
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:09,640
Speaker 1: third round for Steven wonder Boy Thompson. I think if

1667
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:11,720
Speaker 1: Darren Till goes and looks for a takedown, I think

1668
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:13,720
Speaker 1: that will serve him well. But I just don't see

1669
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 1: him doing it. I think WonderBoy is gonna have a

1670
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:18,240
Speaker 1: fantastic performance.

1671
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:18,640
Speaker 3: Here, all right.

1672
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:21,639
Speaker 5: Steven wonder Boy Thompson by third round knockout. The official

1673
01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:26,400
Speaker 5: pick for Kenneth Allen Florian Jonathan Salgatto, great job, man.

1674
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:29,240
Speaker 5: I appreciate the insight and you repping the team hard,

1675
01:16:29,960 --> 01:16:32,920
Speaker 5: repping the US Navy. Go Celtics tonight in Game four

1676
01:16:32,960 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 5: and hopefully you beat Ken Flow head to head and

1677
01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:36,519
Speaker 5: we have you back later this year.

1678
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 12: Budd, Hey, that'd be awesome, you know, just shout out

1679
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 12: to everybody and the Ultimate Pick Them Championship. And I'd

1680
01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:47,439
Speaker 12: like to wish a safe and wonderful Memorial Days all

1681
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:49,519
Speaker 12: my brothers and sisters who are served and are currently

1682
01:16:49,560 --> 01:16:50,799
Speaker 12: serving the United States Military.

1683
01:16:51,240 --> 01:16:53,120
Speaker 3: Thank you, Jonathan. I know you got your own pick

1684
01:16:53,200 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 3: them contest. How about that? Thanks buddy, Having a good week.

1685
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 12: Thanks to you guys.

1686
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 3: Thanks for everything you do. John, Thank you man.

1687
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 12: Hey, thank you Anna Hey, you guys are great.

1688
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 7: All right.

1689
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 5: We got to get out of here a little crazy today,

1690
01:17:03,920 --> 01:17:06,880
Speaker 5: fire alarms and stuff. Hopefully we clean some of that

1691
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 5: stuff up. Thank you to our guests Steven Warner, Boy Thompson,

1692
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 5: Ray Longo, Adam Hill, Jonathan Salgado as you just heard there.

1693
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 5: Also remember this coming Saturday, May twenty sixth, Ken Flow's birthday,

1694
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:21,320
Speaker 5: so be sure to wish to Flow a happy birthday. Also,

1695
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Speaker 5: May Rocky BJJ is absolutely blowing up. May ROCKYBJJ dot

1696
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Speaker 5: Com not a lot of room on that Gray Mat.

1697
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:30,679
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm telling you we're going back that place.

1698
01:17:30,760 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 3: We are filling up.

1699
01:17:32,200 --> 01:17:34,920
Speaker 5: If you mentioned the Anak and Florian podcast, when you

1700
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Speaker 5: sign up at may Rocky BJJ, I'm gonna make a

1701
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Speaker 5: contribution towards your first payment.

1702
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Speaker 3: Wow. See that.

1703
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Speaker 5: Go in there, tell them you listen to the show.

1704
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1705
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Speaker 5: a member of May Rocky BJJ, I'm gonna send you

1706
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,200
Speaker 5: something in the mail. And if this, if this ends

1707
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Speaker 5: up being uh, if I end up spending hundreds of dollars,

1708
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Speaker 5: we'll have to shut it down. But at least right now,

1709
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna see how many, how many memberships I can

1710
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Speaker 5: actually push Monday Memorial Day, so we're not gonna be

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Speaker 5: live on Monday. Good news, Fresh episode coming your way

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Speaker 5: Tuesday night, so we'll have a recap on Thompson Til

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Speaker 5: Also Ken Flow's picks for FS one UFC Fight Night

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Speaker 5: rivera versus Marice, because that is coming up three days

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Speaker 5: thereafter on Friday, June first, from Utica, New York. All right,

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Speaker 5: with that for Ben Masoric and the entire crew, Jako,

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Speaker 5: everybody at Fox Sports. For Ken Flow, I'm John Ana

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Speaker 5: at Foxsports dot Com until next Tuesday night.

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Speaker 3: Have a great week. Go Celtics Yo.

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Speaker 4: Later the John nik and Kenny Florian podcast.

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Speaker 13: Sports Betting is sweeping across the country faster than the coronavirus.

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Speaker 4: And Wagering Week is your antidote.

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Speaker 13: I'm Tom Martin and I'm a veteran sports analyst and

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Speaker 13: respected sports handicapper who will help build ESPN's brand. I've

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Speaker 13: been recognized and awarded by Pro Football Weekly and Gaming

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Speaker 13: Today Magazine as the honest handicapper. Let the other guys

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Speaker 13: give you the same old, boring sports dot with the

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Speaker 13: same tired storylines. We'll give it to you straight here

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Speaker 13: every Friday on Wagering Week.

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Speaker 5: I'm Royal Oaks.

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Speaker 4: Next time, on Too Many Lawyers, we take on a

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Speaker 4: couple of villains to sort out whether bad stuff is

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Speaker 4: also illegal stuff. George Santos want a seat in Congress

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Speaker 4: by lying to voters, but is that a crime? And

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Speaker 4: Kanye West made it clear he hates Jews in England.

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Speaker 5: He go to jail for that.

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Speaker 3: Here in America did he commit a hate crime?

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Speaker 4: Listen to too many lawyers on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts,

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Speaker 4: or wherever you get your podcasts.