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Speaker 3: a bit of an airing of opinions from our dear friends,

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Speaker 3: Cheese Out, Dandy, Granny and t Bone. What say We

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I cannot wait to hear what dandy Granny has

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Speaker 5: Or just in general, just in general.

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Speaker 3: Here we go and we are back. Our first correspondent

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Speaker 3: today actually is going by pasta Pope. But you'll see

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Speaker 3: why we're calling you cheese out. Hello, fellow earthlings. You

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Speaker 3: can call me pasta Pope and read or paraphrase this

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Speaker 3: on air as you wish. In the recent listener mail

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Speaker 3: segment about palanteer Ben brought up the theory that maybe

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Speaker 3: the government has made a sentient AI and immediately killed it.

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Speaker 3: I think this idea it could be very close to

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Speaker 3: the analogy of having a blueprint on the table in

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Speaker 3: groups fighting over it. I think that's relevant to the

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Speaker 3: main problem with creating artificial life. We don't have a

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Speaker 3: blueprint for it because we can't define it properly. Yet

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Speaker 3: humans can build vehicles to go to other planets if

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Speaker 3: we have lego like blueprints. U. Humans can do a

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Speaker 3: may I caught that pasta Pope. U. Humans can do

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Speaker 3: amazing things if you know how to properly articulate it,

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Speaker 3: because language is a human superpower. However, we don't know

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Speaker 3: how to properly define life. Is a virus alive? Is

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Speaker 5: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Is uranium alive? Interesting? Maybe on the timescale of tens

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Speaker 3: The guy A hypotheses. Have you ever thought about how

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Speaker 3: weird it is that a person can be dead and

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Speaker 3: suspended animation techniques during surgery, where a person is by

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Speaker 4: I think flatlining for fun.

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Speaker 3: Right right? Yes, I think, says PASTI Pope. For humans

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Speaker 3: to know we have created a sentient machine, we will

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Speaker 3: I think that's fascinating, the idea that you couldn't really

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Speaker 4: Can you kill a god?

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Speaker 2: So I'm really trying to understand why you have to

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Speaker 2: And in this case, maybe we're thinking about the connections

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't have to destroy anything. I don't think.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's yeah, and I'm glad we're going down this

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Speaker 3: those in a conspiratorial mindset. Also side note, yes, positive

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Speaker 3: Pope is an awesome moniker. I feel like cheese out

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Speaker 3: goodbye to people. All Right, cheese out, you guys.

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Speaker 4: So no doubt che's out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: One of the first assumptions that would require the quote

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Speaker 3: And if that facimile had the same abilities or indicators

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Speaker 2: Oh and you wouldn't be able to kill it at

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Speaker 2: that point anyway. Well, well, theoretically speculatively.

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Speaker 3: And then try to put it back together to bring

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Speaker 3: So yeah, unfortunately, that gets very ugly, very quickly. And

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Speaker 3: So something that you want, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes me think about those giant hubs that

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Speaker 3: And you'd almost inevitably, i mean ninety plus percent certainty

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Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, our big assumption is cheese out. We're

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Speaker 3: I would say maybe not.

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Speaker 2: How about you have to be able to kill it

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Speaker 3: that's a power that often gets forgotten. In the days

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Speaker 3: of journalism passed, we saw a lot of that. We

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Speaker 3: saw people who would have clearly have got time proves.

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Speaker 3: They clearly would get talking points, especially very high level anchors.

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Speaker 3: They would get talking points from all manner of businesses

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Speaker 3: and all facets of government, and if it didn't pass

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Speaker 3: the journalistic sniff test, they would not play the game.

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Speaker 5: You would not have.

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Speaker 3: Seen someone like Bill Lawyers later have private communications exposed.

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Speaker 3: Like those folks on Fox News where they say they

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Speaker 3: knew they were telling the public something that wasn't true.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't that kind of guy. And he had also

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Speaker 3: not I think of him as a renaissance man because

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Speaker 3: in addition to being so instrumental in government policy for

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Speaker 3: a time, he was also active in the Peace Corps.

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Speaker 3: You know, he was trying to make the world a

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Speaker 3: better place, and he was not afraid to hold conversations

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Speaker 3: with folks that we will call academics who often would

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Speaker 3: get ignored by other mainstream news platforms.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he did one of the first interviews with

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Carter when absolutely nobody on the planet knew who

459
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Speaker 2: Jimmy Carter was, and then he interviewed him, and the

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Speaker 2: world kind of learned who this guy was, who this

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Speaker 2: minister was. And interestingly enough, an early part of his

462
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Speaker 2: life he was a Baptist minister, which makes me think

463
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Speaker 2: about how he spoke, you know, when he's talking down

464
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Speaker 2: the lens to the camera, but really ultimately to just

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Speaker 2: people sitting in their homes, that kind of tact. I

466
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Speaker 2: think you can see that thread and that influence there.

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Speaker 2: And just going back to Lyndon Johnson, he was essentially

468
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Speaker 2: Lyndon Johnson's protege. Johnson thought of him like a son.

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Speaker 2: And then there's this moment you can read about where

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Speaker 2: they had a break because Lyndon Johnson was making some

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Speaker 2: turns with his policy and continuing the Vietnam War. So

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Speaker 2: Moyers ended up leaving, and he ended up going to

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Speaker 2: CBS and spending time there and then fought with the

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Speaker 2: executives there to get more airtime for some of the

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Speaker 2: important stories he wanted to tell, and then ended up

476
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Speaker 2: going to PBS and NPR and those routes because it

477
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Speaker 2: was not this big corporate giant. And I wanted to

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Speaker 2: read this quick quote from him before we move on here.

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Speaker 5: Here it is.

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Speaker 2: This is from Bill Moyers. He says, quote, I think

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Speaker 2: my peers and commercial television are talented and devoted journalists,

482
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Speaker 2: but they've chosen to work in a corporate mainstream that

483
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Speaker 2: trims their talent to fit the corporate nature of American life.

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Speaker 2: And you do not get rewarded for telling the hard

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Speaker 2: truths about America in a profit seeking environment. And I

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Speaker 2: think that's a big deal.

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Speaker 5: Right. Well, yeah, awesome person.

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Speaker 2: You can head over to American archive dot org and

489
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Speaker 2: you can see the special collection that they have of

490
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Speaker 2: Bill Morier's stuff. We're talking like forty seven minute programs

491
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Speaker 2: Bill Moyer's journal, which is just incredible. At these video

492
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Speaker 2: essays he would create where he's interviewing people, but he's

493
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Speaker 2: also just almost philosophically discussing a big topic that's affecting

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Speaker 2: a bunch of people.

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Speaker 3: Huge stuff, and he is just a bevy of phenomenal

496
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Speaker 3: quote informed by his vast scope of experience. One of

497
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Speaker 3: my favorites might be paraphrasing is war except in self

498
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Speaker 3: defense is a failure of moral imagination. And the concept

499
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Speaker 3: of moral imagination has stuck with me for so long.

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Speaker 3: It's a deep phrase the more I think about it.

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Speaker 5: Oh wow, I agree, Yeah I did.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot to unpack there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, huge stuff. Oh and just go to the American Arc.

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Speaker 5: I have to check it out.

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Speaker 2: There is a website called Bill Moyers dot com, but

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Speaker 2: I think twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, he officially like stopped

507
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Speaker 2: making new stuff for that website or stopped being officially

508
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Speaker 2: associated with it, but it has an archive of its own.

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Speaker 2: It's really cool too. Check that out all right, quickly, guys,

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Speaker 2: let's hear a message from Paul, who is living in Maine,

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Speaker 2: and he's speaking to something we've discussed before on the

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Speaker 2: show that I think I don't know we could at

513
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Speaker 2: least have a good chat about.

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Speaker 5: Here we go.

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Speaker 6: This is Paul, Hey, This is Paul from Maine. Maine

516
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Speaker 6: recently became the first state to enshrine the right to

517
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Speaker 6: food into the state constitution, an escape citizens the right

518
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Speaker 6: to raise backyard animals, grow a guard, and save change seeds,

519
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Speaker 6: and operate cottage bakeries out of their homes, even if

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Speaker 6: local z owning the rules or regulations prohibited those things.

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Speaker 6: Now I own a seed company, so this is personally

522
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Speaker 6: quite convenient for me. If your neighbor was slaughtering chickens

523
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Speaker 6: in their backyard, would you consider that to be their

524
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Speaker 6: basic human right or just another opportunity to bruise the

525
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Speaker 6: egos of your local HOA board members. By the way,

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Speaker 6: I love on food sovereignty and the right to food.

527
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Speaker 6: More broadly, is this a fundamental human right that we

528
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Speaker 6: should all have access to or a dangerous new freedom?

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Speaker 4: Thanks? I mean, y'all, after just having that conversation about

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Speaker 4: nuclear holocaust, it's sort of like, isn't this a right

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Speaker 4: to survive right.

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Speaker 3: Say yeah, yeah, and immediate reaction there. First off, Paul,

533
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Speaker 3: thank you so much. I thank you for sharing this. Matt. Yes,

534
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Speaker 3: that the right to food should even be a conversation

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Speaker 3: where people will argue against it is baffling. It's sort

536
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Speaker 3: of like that that terrible situation with Nesley a while

537
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Speaker 3: back when they were arguing that it's better for the

538
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Speaker 3: world to privatize water. I mean better for the world

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Speaker 3: right exactly, the better for what world?

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Speaker 4: Right?

541
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Speaker 3: Which world do you want to live in? And so

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Speaker 3: I would say maybe the big difference logical differentiation here, Paul,

543
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Speaker 3: between a right and a privilege is that a right

544
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Speaker 3: should be something that people cannot exist reasonably without. A

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Speaker 3: right to education, a right to water, to air, to shelter,

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Speaker 3: to food. These are things that every human being deserves

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Speaker 3: by virtue of being human. If the right to food

548
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Speaker 3: is not a thing, then we quickly could arrive at

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Speaker 3: a situation wherein children are born in debt. You know

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Speaker 3: what I mean, who's going to feed you if you don't?

551
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Speaker 3: If you're an infant, you don't have a right to food?

552
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Speaker 3: Are you going to bacon time constraints? I'm very biased

553
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Speaker 3: on this because I think it's the right thing to

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Speaker 3: do to allow people access to nutrition.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree, guys. To learn a little more,

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Speaker 2: let's read the twenty twenty one legislation that went through

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Speaker 2: on I think it's January twenty twenty one in the

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Speaker 2: one hundred and thirtieth Main Legislature. It's pretty simple, guys.

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Speaker 2: It's section twenty five. It's an amendment. It says right

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Speaker 2: to food and I'll just read it. All individuals have

561
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Speaker 2: a natural, inherent, and unalienable right to save and exchange seeds.

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Speaker 2: That's a big deal. And the right to grow, raise, harvest, produce,

563
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Speaker 2: and consume the food of their own, choosing for their

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Speaker 2: own nourishment, sustenance, bodily, health, and well being, as long

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Speaker 2: as an individual does not commit trespassing, theft, poaching, or

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Speaker 2: other abuses of private property rights, public lands, or natural

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Speaker 2: resources in the harvesting, production, or acquisition of that food.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: So don't steal anything. But if you've got food, you

570
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Speaker 2: have the right to make food right.

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Speaker 4: If you've got land, right.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, if you've got a place to do it.

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Speaker 3: Right, So you can't go into you can't go into

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Speaker 3: a park in bangor and all of a sudden say

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Speaker 3: I'm taking over this. It's by Rude Bega Crop This

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Speaker 3: I also recommend for anything like this checking out ballot Pedia.

577
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 3: It's an open source reference. It's not perfect, but it's

578
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Speaker 3: a great way to get an overview of how these

579
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Speaker 3: things are introduced, the specific language. It has links to

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Speaker 3: the primary sources. It will also give you the back

581
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 3: and forth of the people for and against these measurements.

582
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Speaker 3: So that's a great way to stay informed, especially if

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Speaker 3: you have questions about your local state legislation.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and something to note here is that prior to

585
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Speaker 2: this vote, there are I think of nine or ten

586
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Speaker 2: years of a bunch of money getting put into advocacy

587
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Speaker 2: for a bill like this, specifically food sovereignty. The concept right,

588
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Speaker 2: it's almost like almost like pr But at the same time,

589
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Speaker 2: there was just a lot of money being pumped into Hey,

590
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Speaker 2: we should have the right to food, right, you know

591
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Speaker 2: that concept, putting that that idea into everyone's mind. Then

592
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Speaker 2: this was able to get pushed through, and it had

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Speaker 2: to be grassroots because in the US the right to

594
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Speaker 2: food is looked at in a very different way. We've

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Speaker 2: discussed snap programs like free lunches andblic schools, and a

596
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Speaker 2: lot of other programs that operate at the federal level,

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Speaker 2: as well as some at.

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Speaker 4: The state level, which are getting scaled back significantly if

599
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Speaker 4: I'm not always taken.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, but the United States in general does not

601
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Speaker 2: view the right to food in the same way as

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Speaker 2: Maine currently does.

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Speaker 4: Well, even like dumpster diving is illegal.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, food is a commodity. It's like that time I

605
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Speaker 3: almost got arrested work a bakery for giving away bread.

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Speaker 4: Dude, Right, and the idea of giving away leftovers is

607
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Speaker 4: somehow considered a health code violation, like you know, actual

608
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Speaker 4: edible food, like you're talking about ben or things that

609
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 4: end up in dumpsters. It's sometimes they put locks on

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Speaker 4: them because it is considered a health code violation. And

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Speaker 4: that is pretty wild. You can even get in trouble,

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Speaker 4: speaking of Hoa's for putting there was a guy that

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Speaker 4: just got in trouble with the water for putting bottles

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Speaker 4: of water then in the yard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just discussed this with the family like that.

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Speaker 2: It's such an interesting thing where you know, a group

617
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 2: of people can be against something for personal reasons, right,

618
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 2: or personal gain reasons, for some kind of conflict of

619
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Speaker 2: interest that they just don't want free stuff to get

620
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Speaker 2: out there.

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Speaker 3: I mean, okay. Also, I'm going to say it, guys,

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Speaker 3: I think we're all on the same page. Hoas are

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Speaker 3: an example of how people with the smallest amount of

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Speaker 3: power can trip to the most extreme degrees. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 3: that's why. I don't know if you guys have hoa's, Uh, couldn't.

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Speaker 4: Couldn't deal with it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's fantastic.

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Speaker 4: Well good, I hope.

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Speaker 3: I hope it stays there because ultimately, what an HOA

630
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Speaker 3: and even a federal level institution shows us is that

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Speaker 3: the government is made of the people, right, and that

632
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Speaker 3: determines the action. Again, a group of people is simply

633
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Speaker 3: the story it tells itself, So tell tell the truthful.

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Speaker 4: One, you know, similar to tenant boards in like New

635
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Speaker 4: York City, like you're you know, live in an apartment building.

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Speaker 4: I think it's a similar setup.

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Speaker 2: But what if the people aren't really people, they're just

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Speaker 2: considered people by the law or the corporations.

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Speaker 3: Right right, shout out citizens United? Or what if they're

640
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 3: propped up as proxies by say, you know, like the

641
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Speaker 3: Red Creek Improvement District or in Disney or uh, like

642
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 3: investment firms who buy up all the houses in a

643
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 3: zip code, like I'm just going to make one up here,

644
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Speaker 3: three zero three zero six in Fulton County, Georgia, just

645
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 3: off the cottage, you know, just one of many examples.

646
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 3: But again I think maybe the not maybe in my mind,

647
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Speaker 3: the most important thing to take away from here is

648
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Speaker 3: the truth that a commodity is different from a necessity.

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Speaker 3: It should be different from a necessity its most basic thing,

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Speaker 3: there is, most basic sense. What can be defined as

651
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Speaker 3: a right should also be defined as something that is

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Speaker 3: necessary for a fully lived human existence. To deny that

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00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 3: is to deny on a very evil level. It's to

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Speaker 3: deny the humanity of other humans. And it's a shame

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Speaker 3: that it's twenty twenty five in this stupid and perfect

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Speaker 3: calendar and people still have not been honest as a

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Speaker 3: civilization about that.

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Speaker 2: Here's why I think, in my opinion, man, I'm going

659
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Speaker 2: to read a quick quote here from the Hunter College,

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Speaker 2: New York City Food Policy Center. It's an article they

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Speaker 2: posted on May first, twenty twenty four, written by Anna

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Speaker 2: spec Down to the bottom here, it notes that the

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Speaker 2: United Nations General Assembly passed a similar right to food

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Speaker 2: resolution in the same year twenty twenty one, with the

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Speaker 2: United States and Israel the only two member states to

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Speaker 2: outright reject the resolution. Her continues. Reasons given by the

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Speaker 2: US for rejecting the resolution include this is a quote

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Speaker 2: inside the quote in accurate linkages between climate change and

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Speaker 2: human rights related to food, a lack of focus on

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Speaker 2: solutions to food insecurity, and a lack of information regarding

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Speaker 2: agricultural innovation and the protection of intellectual property rights as

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Speaker 2: a way to incentivize innovation.

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Speaker 3: Right like terminating seed lines. I remember we mentioned this

674
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Speaker 3: when the UN issued that back in twenty twenty, and

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Speaker 3: it stays relevant today. I'm sorry they're interjecting so much

676
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Speaker 3: on this, but this is something that really hits home

677
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Speaker 3: with me, and it should hit home with everybody who's seeing,

678
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Speaker 3: you know, privation and famine and food and security situations.

679
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Speaker 3: This is not just a real problem. It's also a

680
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 3: problem that right now is way easier to fix than

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Speaker 3: the powers that be would have you believe.

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Speaker 2: But that's why we have infanmil and similac and all

683
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: the baby formula.

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Speaker 3: And what's that peanut stuff. It's on my mind because

685
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 3: it's French, but there's a peanut butter based substitute that

686
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 3: that can be great for nutritional safety, but it's still privatized,

687
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 3: so institutions and nonprofits have to buy it from the company.

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Speaker 5: Big Peanut, We're coming for you.

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Speaker 3: It's called plumpy nuts. That's plumpy with a y apostrophe nut.

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Speaker 5: Oh, plumpy nut.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to look into that more. No, I don't

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Speaker 2: know anything about it. Thank you, Ben, amazing. Well, well,

693
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Speaker 2: thank you Paul for sending in that message about that,

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Speaker 2: and thank you Bill Moyers for being who you were.

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Speaker 2: And we'll be right back with more messages from you.

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Speaker 4: And we have returned with our final listener mail segment

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Speaker 4: of this evening's episode, starting off with a missive from

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Speaker 4: potatoes gun, not potato gun, not potato guns. Potatoes gun. Hey,

699
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Speaker 4: everybody says potatoes gun. I think that you should do

700
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Speaker 4: an episode on big storage, as in warehouses that will

701
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Speaker 4: just store stuff for years and never sell or move it,

702
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Speaker 4: or maybe U haul storage facilities. Feel free to use

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Speaker 4: this on the air. I know it's something potatoes gun

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Speaker 4: that has come up and passing. We've talked about this

705
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Speaker 4: and maybe money laundering type episodes and stuff like that,

706
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Speaker 4: but I did think it was worth a mention on

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Speaker 4: its own because I found a pretty cool Reddit thread

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Speaker 4: that y'all have linked to In the dock there storage

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Speaker 4: units everywhere, money laundering question mark. And this is in

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Speaker 4: our conspirae, which I know you all are frequent visitors too.

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Speaker 4: And this comes from user Ricker one two two five

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Speaker 4: eight nine. I live in Maine. For the past couple

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Speaker 4: of years, there have been an astonishing amount of storage

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Speaker 4: units being built and opened, several per town, some not

715
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Speaker 4: even a quarter of a mile away from each other.

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Speaker 4: With the economy and the whole and this is a

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Speaker 4: couple of years ago, probably still holds true to some degree,

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Speaker 4: and material being very expensive, this seems very strange, encounterintuitive.

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Speaker 4: Folks all around me are having a harder time paying

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Speaker 4: for groceries, gas, et cetera. But there is such a

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00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 4: demand to pay fifty to two hundred bucks a month

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Speaker 4: to store your junk that you don't have room for

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Speaker 4: at your residence. My theory is that some of these

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Speaker 4: storage units are being put up to launder or wash money.

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Speaker 4: Let's say you have one hundred units, only fifty are

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Speaker 4: being used at one hundred bucks a month. You send

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Speaker 4: in your tax information to the government saying all one

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Speaker 4: hundred units are full and being paid majority in cash,

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Speaker 4: which you then can deposit into an account that's five

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Speaker 4: thousand dollars a month that once was dirty or what

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Speaker 4: have you that's now clean. I'm sure there is much

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Speaker 4: more to it than that, but that would be the

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Speaker 4: gist of it, And they accidentally wrote the jest of it,

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Speaker 4: which I like, and then they later corrected it.

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Speaker 3: Y'all.

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Speaker 4: I do think it's interesting because I'm actually a storage

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Speaker 4: unit renter myself. I've got three units, and my experience

738
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Speaker 4: has been that any storage unit company that is, you know,

739
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Speaker 4: a chain or it has some sort of professional quality

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Speaker 4: to them legit, let's just say they don't. They're not

741
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Speaker 4: really cash businesses. You know. I'm set up on auto

742
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Speaker 4: pay for my units and it's a company that has

743
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Speaker 4: units all across the Country's actually called Storage Units of

744
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Speaker 4: America or something along those lines. So my experience with

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Speaker 4: that is maybe that's not the best of businesses to

746
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Speaker 4: launder money. But there are some other good kind of

747
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Speaker 4: counterpoints to that on this Reddit thread, and I'm curious

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Speaker 4: what y'all think. Obviously, the go tos are things like

749
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Speaker 4: nail salons, laundromats, bars, restaurants, strip clubs, laser if nasty,

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Speaker 4: and of course car washes.

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Speaker 2: Well, I do wonder, Yeah, that is interesting because I

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Speaker 2: wonder if you could take cash into that business noll

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Speaker 2: and pay for your month or something. I wonder if

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Speaker 2: they would even accept that. But if they did, then

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Speaker 2: the whole thing works, right.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't feel like my particular company is set up to

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Speaker 4: do that. But if you were in more rural areas

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Speaker 4: and you did have individual proprietors building these because one

759
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Speaker 4: point that comes up a lot is how inexpensive they

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Speaker 4: are to build, because they're these prefab metal sheds kind

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Speaker 4: of and if you have the land, it's not incredible.

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Speaker 4: It's not an incredible outlay of cash to put that

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Speaker 4: infrastructure together. So you know, like, here's an example. I

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Speaker 4: work for a successful developer in the process of building

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Speaker 4: a forty acre storage facility directly across the street from

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Speaker 4: two existing facilities. My entire county consists of less than

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Speaker 4: fifty thousand people and contains nearly twenty similar facilities. I'm

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Speaker 4: no businessman, but dude, I work for swears the numbers

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Speaker 4: don't lie. I'm not in a position to argue as

770
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Speaker 4: everything this touches turns into a gold mine. Not gonna lie,

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Speaker 4: though I've absolutely considered money laundering to be a plausible motivation. Here,

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Speaker 4: that wasn't the best example proving that point or supporting

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Speaker 4: that point. But here's a good point here a counter

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Speaker 4: I guess to the money laundering argument, and then we'll

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Speaker 4: have one for no need to launder money. It's like

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Speaker 4: the lowest form of rent seeking and basically just takes

777
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Speaker 4: advantage of bad economies, causing people to move down to

778
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Speaker 4: smaller living arrangements or get divorced. You'd have a hard

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Speaker 4: time keeping them empty.

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Speaker 3: Oh to interject here, if that's all right, please, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: The one of the interesting things that we haven't talked

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Speaker 3: about yet is that a lot of these places, I

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Speaker 3: think the majority will require some kind of ID So

784
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Speaker 3: if an audit occurs and they're saying, hey, what's happening

785
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 3: this money? You should there would be books to look at.

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Speaker 3: So I agree with the I agree with the fact

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Speaker 3: that there are more viable forms of money laundering operations.

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Speaker 3: You could probably also maybe launder money in the construction

789
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Speaker 3: of the thing, depending on how you do it.

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Speaker 4: Do that do that Sopranos move where you list more

791
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Speaker 4: items than you actually used sure in your in your

792
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Speaker 4: manifestor exactly.

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Speaker 3: There's also there's also an inescapable fact, at least here

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Speaker 3: in the States, that a lot of people don't like

795
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Speaker 3: to deal with. It's a society where a lot of

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Speaker 3: people have a lot of stuff and are more than

797
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Speaker 3: willing to pay for the premium of not throwing that

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Speaker 3: stuff away or saying goodbye to it.

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Speaker 6: For sure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, for me, it's it's all stuff from my mom's house.

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Speaker 4: So it's like something that I'm going to one day

802
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Speaker 4: have to sift through and deal with. But in the meantime,

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Speaker 4: it's something that I don't have to worry about right now.

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Speaker 3: And people also, to that excellent point about the economy

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Speaker 3: from the Reddit thread we're citing here, people also don't

806
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Speaker 3: just use those storage spaces to store stuff they can't

807
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Speaker 3: fit in their current don't. Some people indeed live off

808
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 3: the grid in a storage space, so they're used for

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Speaker 3: a lot of other things. I could see it, I

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Speaker 3: guess all in some I could see it being a

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Speaker 3: avenue in some cases for money laundering, definitely some drug

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Speaker 3: crime cases, But as an overall practice, I don't know.

813
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 3: It's kind of like the mattress firm conspiracy when we

814
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,720
Speaker 3: figured it out. Yes, some are probably organized crime fronts,

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Speaker 3: but a lot of them have mattresses that are so

816
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:32,879
Speaker 3: expensive and rent that are so low that they don't

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Speaker 3: actually have to sell that many mattresses to stay open.

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Speaker 5: And ultimately it's a real estate game.

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Speaker 3: And ultimately it's a real estate game like this is

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Speaker 3: the case with building these units.

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Speaker 4: Absolutely a real estate game in this case as well.

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Speaker 4: Last one I want to mention, I thought there was

823
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Speaker 4: a very implausible, if if interesting perspective from analysis uh

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Speaker 4: one one, one, three, nine five one absolutely one hundred

825
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Speaker 4: percent is also on the right of thread. And notice

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Speaker 4: the same thing in my neck of the woods, the Southwest,

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Speaker 4: although I have a slightly more nefarious take on it.

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Speaker 4: I observe that almost all storage unit locations have this weird,

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Speaker 4: almost tower like structure in the front. I've always wondered

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Speaker 4: about those myself, that the U haul you know I'm

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Speaker 4: talking about guys, oh okay, well, and oftentimes in U

832
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 4: haul storage facilities and other storage facilities, there will be

833
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Speaker 4: a kind of tower like structure in the front that

834
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:29,359
Speaker 4: has logos on it, and there'll be windows in it,

835
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Speaker 4: sometimes with advertisements in the windows. But it is odd

836
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Speaker 4: and it is an odd shape, and I've always wondered

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Speaker 4: what the deal is with that, because it doesn't seem

838
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Speaker 4: very functional, or that it would be able to house

839
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Speaker 4: an office on each of the little levels so they

840
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Speaker 4: go on. I've observed that almost all storage locations. And

841
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Speaker 4: I wouldn't say all because I don't think maybe Matt

842
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 4: you haven't seen it, but I've seen them from time

843
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 4: to time. Here in the South as well. I have

844
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 4: this weird almost tower like structure in the front. Now

845
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 4: I understand that this could be used to view the

846
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 4: whole property, but it really makes me think these places

847
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 4: look like total makeshift prison camps. Like when she hits

848
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Speaker 4: the fan and the system needs immediate access to resources

849
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 4: facilities to detain undesirables. What better place to utilize and

850
00:50:12,080 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 4: detain citizens. But it makes you stop and think. Hence

851
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 4: the name of this sub who anticipated planned to build

852
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Speaker 4: and be ready for such an event. It's a wild

853
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Speaker 4: one that I just had to had to bring it up. Wow, Yeah,

854
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Speaker 4: we're gonna move on really quickly. I just want to

855
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 4: mention another message, thank you, by the way to Potatoes Gun,

856
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Speaker 4: This one from Kyle about gas stations and gas station

857
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Speaker 4: food in particular, Kyle says, Hey, fellas in Scottsdale, there's

858
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 4: a pretty well known barbecue joint inside a gas station

859
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 4: called Tom's Thumb, named after a mountain nearby. It has

860
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Speaker 4: over two thousand Google reviews, and I believe was featured

861
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Speaker 4: on an episode of What is It? Diners, Drive Ins

862
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Speaker 4: and Dives? Is nothing Triple D. Triple D is how

863
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 4: he puts it. I was just never seen it put

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Speaker 4: that way best, Kyle. And you're absolutely right, Kyle. Here

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Speaker 4: in the South, which is I think maybe our main

866
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 4: experience with this, but also in this in the West,

867
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Speaker 4: on the West Coast, you will often see really good

868
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 4: Takoreas connect Actually that's not true. In the West Coast,

869
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:16,280
Speaker 4: gas stations are much more gas stations or gas stations.

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Speaker 4: Some of them don't even sell snacks. They're very much

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Speaker 4: almost more like European style gas stations. But here in

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Speaker 4: the South you will often see places that have really

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Speaker 4: good fried chicken and really good like country breakfasts in

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Speaker 4: the morning and stuff like that, and barbecue, et cetera.

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Speaker 4: It is an interesting way to have, oftentimes start up

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Speaker 4: kind of smaller companies that maybe have evolved from a

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Speaker 4: food truck looking for a brick and mortar space. They'll

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Speaker 4: rent some space in a locally owned or you know,

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Speaker 4: franchised gas station that allows for that kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: We have a lot of those here in Atlanta area.

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Speaker 4: In the Atlanta area, and I did want to pull

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Speaker 4: up a thread mentioning from food Map every Day, just

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Speaker 4: mentioning six much more large scale gas station type places

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Speaker 4: that I hadn't heard of. Of course, Bucky's is mentioned,

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Speaker 4: but we've got a place called Mavericks that is, I believe,

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Speaker 4: more in the Southwest. Maverick chain is about four hundred

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Speaker 4: stores and twelve Western states, and it is known for

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Speaker 4: its adventure and Western themed logo and decor. And they

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Speaker 4: have it at this place something called the Mother of

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Speaker 4: All Burritos, or the Moab, which they apparently sell about

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Speaker 4: twenty four thousand of every single day, which is like

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Speaker 4: a really nice breakfast burrito situation with eggs, hash browns,

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Speaker 4: and a whole lot of meat. As the article puts it,

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Speaker 4: they also have breakfast nachos with steak and eggs and

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Speaker 4: stuff like that.

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Speaker 5: So nice.

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Speaker 2: Isn't Moab a thing we've talked about before on the show,

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Speaker 2: except it was Moab place.

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Speaker 4: Well yeah, but it isn't a Moab. Also a place

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Speaker 4: in Utah. It's like a really mountainee of outdoorsy spot.

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Speaker 4: People like painted mountains. I believe they call them Moab Utah.

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Speaker 4: But mother of all bombs, absolutely, mother of all burritos?

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Speaker 4: Why not?

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Speaker 2: Oh, it's the massive ordnance air blast bomb. That's okay,

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Speaker 2: I remember talking about it on this show at least

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Speaker 2: got it.

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Speaker 4: And who could talk about gas station food on the

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Speaker 4: flip side of the gross version without talking about the

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Speaker 4: episode of Futurama where Fry buys a men's room egg

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Speaker 4: salad sandwich from a vending machine over the twelve that

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Speaker 4: would typically dispense things like prophylactics. So y'all, I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: us with your favorite gas station eats in your neck

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Speaker 4: of the Global Woods. Absolutely great recommendation. Another one that

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Speaker 4: I mentioned in Athens, Georgia, there's a place called the

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Speaker 4: bread Basket that is again like country biscuits, country breakfasts,

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Speaker 4: and lunch meet in three situation that you can enjoy

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