WEBVTT - Short: Poe Toaster

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, exciting news. I'm really really stoked about this.

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<v Speaker 1>just in case somebody you know, five years from now

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<v Speaker 1>was listening to this episode not two thousand seventeen. This

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<v Speaker 1>is not true yourself two thousand seventeen. Sorry, okay, a

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<v Speaker 1>mystery short stories of things we simply don't know the

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<v Speaker 1>answers to, Hey, guys, things Side with podcast is Devin,

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<v Speaker 1>joined as per usual by Steve Joe. That's the team

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<v Speaker 1>Jeems Sideways, as we've been calling ourselves as of late.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to another short episode, bonus bonus if you will.

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<v Speaker 1>Not so long ago, we talked about the somehow still

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<v Speaker 1>mysterious death of Edgar Allan Poe. If you haven't listened

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<v Speaker 1>to it already, go listen to it. I'll wait. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they've listened to Welcome Back Today. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about another somehow still mystery surrounding Poe. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is the Poe toaster. Is that like the

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<v Speaker 1>one that I have in my house? Because I've never

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<v Speaker 1>seen the Poe brand of toaster. I'm really trying hard.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not working. The Poe Toaster is the name the

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<v Speaker 1>media has given to somebody who's probably a man, and

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<v Speaker 1>actually probably at least two men, maybe three, who for

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<v Speaker 1>at least I'm going to say more than fifty years,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe more like seventy five. It's hard to tell. It's conflicting.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people say it started in nineteen thirties. Yeah, on

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<v Speaker 1>the eve of pose birthday, which is January nineteen, had

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<v Speaker 1>a tradition most curious to post curious to post speak

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<v Speaker 1>it up starting sometime maybe in the nineteen thirties, as

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<v Speaker 1>Joe said, or maybe the nineteen forties, but definitely by

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<v Speaker 1>the centennial of post birth in ninety nine. A shadowy

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<v Speaker 1>figure dressed in all black with a wide brim hat

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<v Speaker 1>and a white scarf carrying a silver tipped cane, would

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<v Speaker 1>pour himself a glass of Martel Konnac and raise a

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<v Speaker 1>toast in pose memory Martell French pricey French bucks a bottle. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's more than that. Yeah, the lore is

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<v Speaker 1>that it's a really nice whiskey. I are, and I'll

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<v Speaker 1>be honest with you. I did not go look it up,

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<v Speaker 1>so I can't tell you for sure. But that important anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>do you think about it? Yeah, the figure placed three

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<v Speaker 1>roses in quote a distinctive pattern. Although what that pattern is,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not sure. There are no pictures of it. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think I saw a picture somewhere when I was

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<v Speaker 1>doing this, but I can't remember. I didn't see anything

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<v Speaker 1>pretty particularly. Probably what you saw was the picture of

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<v Speaker 1>the faux Yeah, the impostor toasters. What on his Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>on his actual grave? That happened. And again, well you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is not his actual grave, No, this was

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<v Speaker 1>on the marker of his original burial spot. He the

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<v Speaker 1>po toaster would then place the unfinished bottle of kognac

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<v Speaker 1>on the marker of poser original grave, as just said,

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<v Speaker 1>and then could quote vanish into the night. Um and

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<v Speaker 1>people people did start to take notice of this and

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<v Speaker 1>would gather to view and sometimes try to detain the

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<v Speaker 1>toaster and kind of take part in this odd tradition. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>you do think they were detaining because they wanted to say, hey, buddy,

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<v Speaker 1>who are you? What's going on? It was one year

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<v Speaker 1>that they did try to detain him, and it was

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<v Speaker 1>I think it seems that the group just thought they

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<v Speaker 1>would figure out who this person was, because nobody knows

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<v Speaker 1>who this person was eluded their grasp. He did. Did

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<v Speaker 1>you vanish into thin air? Yesof of smoke, it sounds like. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>In the nineteen nineties, the toaster began to leave notes.

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<v Speaker 1>At first, it was just kind of simple, almost like

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<v Speaker 1>love letters that you know, things like Edgar, I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>forgotten you, Just kind of lovely little sentiments to Edgar

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<v Speaker 1>Allan Poe. In n ninety three, the note that was

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<v Speaker 1>left said the torch will be passed, and observers claimed

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<v Speaker 1>that the toaster looked much younger, although you can never

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<v Speaker 1>see his face, so I have to assume that it

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<v Speaker 1>was a change in body language. Perhaps. Yeah, obviously an

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<v Speaker 1>old man is going to move a lot differently than

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<v Speaker 1>a young man. Yeah. The notes since then have touched

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<v Speaker 1>on sports in more recent years. In two thousand and one,

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<v Speaker 1>it referenced an NFL playoff game the Baltimore Ravens and

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<v Speaker 1>I can't remember what the other team was, Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>pushed by the way reading this story, I'd never I'd

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<v Speaker 1>never put two and two together on the Ravens. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know that they were named after posts pose poem, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>which is kind of awesome. It is super In two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand four, the note that was left kind of referenced

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<v Speaker 1>some current events that apparently the Toaster was not super

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<v Speaker 1>happy about, specifically France's refusal to join the war in Iraq.

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<v Speaker 1>And it seemed like since the there was that switch

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<v Speaker 1>in where it became the younger person passing of the torch,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will, And the notes left prior to nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>nine had been kind of reverent and loving, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the new Toaster, which was quote a son, It said

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<v Speaker 1>in one of the notes that it was a son

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<v Speaker 1>and I don't know what you want for me, decided

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<v Speaker 1>that I guess they decided that the attention that they

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<v Speaker 1>got as the Toaster was going to be a good

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<v Speaker 1>platform to just gonna be crazy, yeah, a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, the at that time curator of the Poe

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<v Speaker 1>House and Museum was so dismayed with one of the

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<v Speaker 1>notes that was left sometime between two thousand five and

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and eight. He never specified when, which exact year. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he just said, oh no, there was no note left

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<v Speaker 1>this year. He just lied and so he this was

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<v Speaker 1>this was something that didn't quite good. So he told

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<v Speaker 1>the public. No, no, no, it was left to sear.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that correct? Yes, so this guy, but he never

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<v Speaker 1>kept it. But he must have passed up at some

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<v Speaker 1>point that he did it right, that he didn't that

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<v Speaker 1>he actually got a note and then lied about he did.

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<v Speaker 1>He was kind of the guy who would validate that

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<v Speaker 1>it was the real toaster because there was a specific

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<v Speaker 1>hand signal I guess that the toaster did every year

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<v Speaker 1>that only this guy knew about. That validated this person

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<v Speaker 1>as the original toaster. It seemed like the new toaster,

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<v Speaker 1>the post the millennial toaster, if you will. What wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>really doing it for a love of ed Garland Poe,

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<v Speaker 1>but morequest his death father's death bed request or something

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<v Speaker 1>his father and in two thousand ten, in fact, it

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<v Speaker 1>seems that the tradition did in fact end. In fairness,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems kind of a logical conclusion that two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>nine would have been the last year two the toaster

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<v Speaker 1>did not show up. Poe died in eighteen nine, so

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<v Speaker 1>it would have been his It's been a hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty years after sixty. No, never mind, it doesn't make sense. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's all based around the year of his death. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>not his birth. I think did I say his birth earlier?

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<v Speaker 1>You guys, I'm really good at messing stories. No, it's

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<v Speaker 1>his death. Sorry, I just think that they're probably better times.

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<v Speaker 1>But hey, I guess since they were toasting to his

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<v Speaker 1>death birth death. Since they were toasting to his death,

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<v Speaker 1>sure they could have vented it whenever on the round

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<v Speaker 1>times number? Really good? Yea. Since this tradition has been

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<v Speaker 1>so mysterious and pretty well documented, the act itself has

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<v Speaker 1>become someone of an event. As I kind of mentioned earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>onlookers start to gather to view this event, mostly mostly

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<v Speaker 1>with respect. People kind of just wanted to watch the

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<v Speaker 1>toaster do his thing and let him be. However, in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousands six, a group of onlookers decided, as we mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>that they would solve the mystery of who the toaster

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<v Speaker 1>was and tried to apprehend the toaster, but he managed

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<v Speaker 1>to escape. Didn't they have guns? Thankfully? Thankfully. I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>honestly that they didn't apprehend. I think it's probably better

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<v Speaker 1>left a mystery. Well, that probably explains why this guy decided,

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<v Speaker 1>you just quite in this traditions crazies cheesing me every year. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's that is a good reason there. It might just

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<v Speaker 1>be that you get sick of the whole thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>also possible if there wasn't a deep connection for him,

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<v Speaker 1>it was his father's thing. Yeah, maybe the case. There

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<v Speaker 1>are a few theories out there about this story and

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<v Speaker 1>the identity of the toaster. It seems that you remember,

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<v Speaker 1>if you listen to the story, which I hope you did,

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<v Speaker 1>you will remember that Poe may not have actually been

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<v Speaker 1>so much of a drinker. So apparently it wasn't at all.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it's hard to you know, I don't think we

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<v Speaker 1>ever landed on. But so there's somewhat of a disconnect

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<v Speaker 1>between Poe and Kognak. Right, he wouldn't really necessarily be toasted.

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<v Speaker 1>But apparently in some of the notes it alludes to

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<v Speaker 1>the Kognak being a familial tradition of the toaster more

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<v Speaker 1>than a tradition based around poe. Oh okay, well that

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<v Speaker 1>would explain. That's better than Hey, you were drunk, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna have a drink to you. In two thousand and seven,

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<v Speaker 1>a man by the name of Sam pro poor Pora

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<v Speaker 1>Porpora Porpora, who had been a historian at the Baltimore

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<v Speaker 1>Westminster Church Church, claimed that he had invented the toaster

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen sixties as a publicity stint. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>make sense to me for a lot of reasons. He

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<v Speaker 1>said that he had created the stunt to quote, reinvigorate

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<v Speaker 1>the church and congregation. I'm not totally sure how that work.

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<v Speaker 1>The other huge problem with this is that there are

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<v Speaker 1>actual documentations of the toaster much prior to the nineteen sixties.

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<v Speaker 1>There you can find newspaper clippings from nineteen nine and

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineteen fifties that document the toaster. So uh,

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<v Speaker 1>Sam said, oh, well, yeah, I just told everybody that

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<v Speaker 1>it started in nineteen but that obviously doesn't work because

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<v Speaker 1>there are actual newspaper clippings from that time, so it

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<v Speaker 1>did actually start that early at least. Yeah, he's jumping

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<v Speaker 1>on a coattails. I even understand how this reinvigorates the congregation. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know either. He never officially redacted his statement,

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<v Speaker 1>however retracted. Yeah, he didn't black it out. He never

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<v Speaker 1>retracted his statement. Sorry. But just prior to his death,

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<v Speaker 1>he apparently did admit that he had not been the

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<v Speaker 1>one making the annual visits, but that somebody had taken

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<v Speaker 1>his idea, but he didn't know who it was. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that before he ever told anybody about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty years before he ever told me about it, they

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<v Speaker 1>were like, I know this man, if you going to

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<v Speaker 1>have an idea to reinvigorate the church and congregation, and

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<v Speaker 1>I will just do that for him. Not only mine

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<v Speaker 1>probed him, but he did it for twenty years in

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<v Speaker 1>the past. It's pretty awesome. Yeah. So there's also some

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<v Speaker 1>speculation that Jeff Jerome, who is the aforementioned prior curator

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<v Speaker 1>of the Poem House and Museum, which, as a side note,

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<v Speaker 1>if you were interested in going to that, good luck,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's been close to the public since two thousand twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>people thought that maybe he was the toaster makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>He has vehemently denied that. I'm given to believe him,

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<v Speaker 1>but there are some little bits of hink nous as

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about. He was the one who would

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<v Speaker 1>view it every year. And if the toaster didn't do

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<v Speaker 1>us in hand gesture, he was like, oh, that's not

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<v Speaker 1>the toaster, it's not the real one. So obviously he

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<v Speaker 1>had if he was not the toaster, then he at

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<v Speaker 1>least had some communication with the toaster, and he was

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<v Speaker 1>the one who would go. Everybody would just leave the

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<v Speaker 1>bottle of kognac and notes and flowers there, and he

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<v Speaker 1>would be the one to go to retrieve those things.

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<v Speaker 1>So he was the one taking the notes, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was the one who would collect the bottles and clean

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<v Speaker 1>off the grave. So okay, okay, here's the thing is

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<v Speaker 1>that this hand gesture we're inferring, or at least a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the articles inferring that the hand gesture was

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<v Speaker 1>made at Jerome, but not necessary. No. I guess for me,

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<v Speaker 1>it could have just been a certain way that he toasted, right,

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<v Speaker 1>It could have been a certain way that he placed

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<v Speaker 1>the flowers. Yeah, I think the way he toast for

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<v Speaker 1>the way he did, I think that's fine. But I

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<v Speaker 1>do also think that for you to be the person

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<v Speaker 1>who is in charge of clearly loves po history a

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<v Speaker 1>lot who's in charge of a museum, who also just

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<v Speaker 1>happens to be the only person who can say, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the Poe toaster. It's a little suspicious. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>little suspicious. But at the same time, he was in

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<v Speaker 1>the crowds. People saw him in the crowd That's not

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<v Speaker 1>like there was There was that one one year when

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<v Speaker 1>they hid him the catacombs of the church to wait

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<v Speaker 1>for the Poe toaster to come, as he and several

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<v Speaker 1>other people waiting down there, and they they he was there.

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<v Speaker 1>He was there. He was there in the catacombs and

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<v Speaker 1>the toaster games, so he must he may well have known,

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<v Speaker 1>actually the identity of the toaster. I almost wonder if

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<v Speaker 1>it's just because he's he watched the toaster from Afar,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, saying the toaster over and over, such

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<v Speaker 1>a weird thing. But he may have watched the toaster

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<v Speaker 1>from Afar for a number of years and realized the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing was happening every time, and that's all it was.

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<v Speaker 1>I I don't think that we have to infer that

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<v Speaker 1>there was a familiarity between them other than that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousand eleven, for impostor immediately dubbed phoetasters. Photoasters

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<v Speaker 1>is so much better. Phoetasters were identified by Jerome for

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<v Speaker 1>many reasons. There were four of them. They were not secretive,

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't try and creep, they just walked in broad view.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't have do the little signal or whatever that

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<v Speaker 1>Jerome said. And then this event actually sparked some debate

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<v Speaker 1>because there are a lot of people who are onlookers

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<v Speaker 1>or lovers of Poe or whatever, who said this tradition

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<v Speaker 1>should be continued even if it's not by the original

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<v Speaker 1>family of the po toasters. Since two thousand nine was

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<v Speaker 1>the last year that the official toaster showed up, and

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<v Speaker 1>this has held true since then, the official toaster has

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<v Speaker 1>never come back. Some people say this tradition is so good,

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<v Speaker 1>we should just keep doing it, even if it's by imposters.

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<v Speaker 1>I am of the other camp. I think that that

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<v Speaker 1>was a wonderful tradition that some people had out of

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<v Speaker 1>a deep love and respect for a girl and Po

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<v Speaker 1>and it should just remain that way. And if you

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<v Speaker 1>love ed girl and Po and you live in Baltimore

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<v Speaker 1>and you want to do something to remember him, come

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<v Speaker 1>up with your own tradition, you know, Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>just doing something over just to maintain the tradition without

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<v Speaker 1>the reason behind. I think that. I think they clearly

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<v Speaker 1>had a reason for that ritual, and it meant something

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<v Speaker 1>personal to them. The placement of the flowers meant something

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<v Speaker 1>personal to them, probably the cognac, but even the brand.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the same brand every year. That meant something

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<v Speaker 1>to them, and it can't ever mean that to anybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>So if I don't think that there's a point in

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<v Speaker 1>continuing that tradition just for traditions sake, but yeah, think

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<v Speaker 1>you can do something else. You can show up with

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<v Speaker 1>a bottle of cheap wine and toast him and leave that,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, and pass out after one glass because you're

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<v Speaker 1>so wasted. Yeah that's excellent. Yeah, So now it's time

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<v Speaker 1>to solve the mystery. What happened to the toaster? Why

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<v Speaker 1>did he stop? Well, Baltimore, as it happens, has one

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<v Speaker 1>of the highest murder rates in the country. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>if the toaster was unplugged, oh yeah, yeah, I'm yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>please do Yeah, the toaster got taken too the good

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<v Speaker 1>will anyways, that's it there. We I don't think we'll

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<v Speaker 1>ever know who the identity of the toaster was. But

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<v Speaker 1>I thought this would be a nice little short to

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<v Speaker 1>accompany the mysterious death of Edgar and Poe. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>little little nugget of a mystery. Yeah, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>did die too young? Too young? Forty years old? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's sad. Yeah, So if you are the Toaster, if

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