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Speaker 2: You're back in Toronto, right.

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Speaker 3: This is great. As we said last week, what a

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Speaker 3: But most important, Jeff, we're in the final four of baseball.

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Speaker 3: You know, we talk about the final four in basketball.

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Speaker 3: Mariners and the Brewers advanced to the World Series. If

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Speaker 3: I'm way ahead of myself here, this would be the

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Speaker 3: Because remember, and you were not even close to being born.

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Speaker 3: We're not rooting for anything here, Jeff, except for a

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Speaker 3: this final four. But Jeff, Game one. The takeaways begins

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Speaker 1: To quote you, Dad, I will give you one thousand

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Speaker 3: because it wasn't fair when he batted right. Handed that's

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Speaker 3: how he became a switch. HITTER i love how players

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Speaker 3: become switch. Hitters That's Tony clark's. Story second base Is Andres,

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Speaker 3: jimenez who plays for The Blue, jays who were covering

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Speaker 3: in this series last. Year Steven, vote the manager of The,

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Speaker 3: guardians told Me jimenez is the greatest defensive PLAYER i

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Speaker 3: have ever seen at any. Position how about? THAT i

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Speaker 3: Press Stephen, vote who's been around a long, time and he,

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Speaker 3: Said i'm telling, You i've never seen anybody play defense

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Speaker 3: like this guy. Did and he played second base last,

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Speaker 3: year but with the injury To Bob. Bashett here he's

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Speaker 3: playing an exceptional shortstop in the major, leagues just showing

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Speaker 3: how great a defender he. Is and he wears number,

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Speaker 3: ZERO a. Zero Ray ordonia's worn number, zero great defensive

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Speaker 3: shortstop for The mets in his. Day Bobby, valentine then

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Speaker 3: the manager of The, mets told, me, nobody no shortstop

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Speaker 3: has ever gone back on a pop up ever better

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Speaker 3: Than Ray, ordonio's which is a really difficult play to

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Speaker 3: make for a. Shortstop that was his superpower going back

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Speaker 3: on an infield pop. Up third base Is Paul, dade

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Speaker 3: who played multiple years for The indians at the. Time outfielders,

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Speaker 3: again Al oliver OD. B, McDowell WHO i covered with

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Speaker 3: The rangers in the, Eighties war number, Zero Jeffrey Leonard

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Speaker 3: war number double. Zero Jeffrey leonard was a really good

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Speaker 3: hitter in his. Day SO i HOPE i don't offend

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Speaker 3: anyone with this, either. Jeff But Hank greenwald was the

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Speaker 3: play by play guy for The yankees and for years

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Speaker 3: and every day he went To Yankee, stadium the security

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Speaker 3: guy asked him for HIS id, pass his press pass

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Speaker 3: to get. In he sees him every. Day he knows

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Speaker 3: he's the play by play guy for The, yankees but

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Speaker 3: he makes him show his press pass every. Day, Finally

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Speaker 3: Hank greenwald got a little bit tired of, this and

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Speaker 3: one day he came in with a picture Of Jeffrey

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Speaker 3: leonard taped on his press. Pass, okay and, again not

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Speaker 3: to defend, Anyone Jeffrey leonard is a black. Man hank

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Speaker 3: Green wald is not a black, man. Okay so he

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Speaker 3: puts a picture Of Jeffrey leonard's face on his and

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Speaker 3: the security guard looks at it and, says, okay go,

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Speaker 3: ahead like he didn't even look at. It and then

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Speaker 3: the next, game next, Game hank Grey wald is so

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Speaker 3: insulted that he has to keep showing. This he shows

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Speaker 3: up the next day with his press pass and he's

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Speaker 3: got a picture Of secretariat a, horse a horse over his.

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Speaker 4: Face so on this press pass he has a horse's

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Speaker 4: head instead of his, face and the security guy looks

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Speaker 4: at it goes, okay go. Ahead that's that's how it

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Speaker 4: worked At Yankee stadium back.

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Speaker 3: Then So Jeffrey letter number double zero is our third.

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Speaker 3: Outfielder our starting pitcher Is Marcus, stroman who wore number

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Speaker 3: zero and still does still Pitches Adam, Ottavino Adam, ottavino

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Speaker 3: pretty darn good reliever in recent. Years here pitched this,

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Speaker 3: year and he told me once it's not A it's

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Speaker 3: not a zero that he's got on his. Back it's

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Speaker 3: an oh because his last name Is, ottavino so he

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Speaker 3: wears like an oh instead of a. Zero and Then, omar,

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Speaker 3: right and the last one Is Omar oliveris who pitched

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Speaker 3: for several, teams including The, Cardinals and of course he

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Speaker 3: wore double zero because his initials are zero. Zero so

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Speaker 3: and let's see how good your memory. Is Here jeff

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Speaker 3: who is the baseball player who wore his number on

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Speaker 3: his back and had his birthday on his. Back his

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Speaker 3: last name was a month of the, year and his

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Speaker 3: number was his birthday in that. Month do YOU i.

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Speaker 1: Is his height is his birthday are the?

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Speaker 3: Same? Right may the, sixth and he's five ft SIX

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Speaker 3: i gonna remember, This, Jeff i'm gonna give it to you.

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Speaker 3: Anyway Carlos may was born On may the, seventeenth and

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Speaker 3: his last name Is may and he wore number. Seventeen

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Speaker 3: so on the back of this, jersey wasn't just his

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Speaker 3: name and his, number it was also his. Birthday how

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Speaker 3: great is? That?

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Speaker 1: Well and one of my Favorite jersey, Stories, dad is

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Speaker 1: When Johnny damon was standing out in the outfield and

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Speaker 1: then he's standing there and he wears number eighteen and

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Speaker 1: he's standing next to number.

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Speaker 2: Nineteen of that team and it's nineteen.

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Speaker 3: Eighteen Gabe, kapler, Right it was A Gabe Kapitler kapler.

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Speaker 3: Right ninth, inning two thousand and Four World series clinching,

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Speaker 3: Game Red sox haven't won since nineteen, eighteen AND i

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Speaker 3: look out in the outfield and before the bottom of

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Speaker 3: the ninth, begins those guys are standing back to. BACK

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Speaker 3: i mean they're standing with their backs to home plate

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Speaker 3: and there it is nineteen. Eighteen and then The Red

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Speaker 3: sox won that and won The World series for the

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Speaker 3: first time since nineteen. Eighteen it's so.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful we've got a, great great guest for you.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow two, guests in, Fact Eduardo perez And Carl ravits

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Speaker 1: are going to be joining, us AND i yours, truly

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Speaker 1: am going to interview the two of, them along with my,

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Speaker 1: Dad Tim, kirkshon THE espn radio crew who did The

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Speaker 1: alds together and are doing THE alcs, together and you

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Speaker 1: can all do WHAT i.

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Speaker 2: Do turn the game, on but.

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Speaker 1: Then listen on your phone to the broadcast and mute YOUR.

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Speaker 1: Tv that's HOW i get time with my. Guys so

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Speaker 1: tomorrow that's on the. Podcast we cannot wait for you

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Speaker 1: to join, us and as, always thank you for being

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Speaker 1: a part of our.

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Speaker 2: Family