WEBVTT - Mission Impossible with Alex Schmidt

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<v Speaker 1>On the Bedel Cast, the questions asked if movies have

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<v Speaker 1>women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,

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<v Speaker 1>or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef invest start

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<v Speaker 1>changing it with the Beckdel Cast. Hello and welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Dronte. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Jamie Loftus, and we host a podcast about the

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<v Speaker 1>portrayal of women in movies. We sure do. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>really see you. I know this is weird. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of mikes in the way. Here, here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>This is better, hie. So we talk about the representation

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<v Speaker 1>of women in film and how it's usually bad. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's our go to. We use the Bechtel test as

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<v Speaker 1>a jumping out point for discussion, test created by cartoonist

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<v Speaker 1>Alison Bechdel in the nineteen eighties that features a Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>what what is it? Do you want me to see it? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I forget. The Bechtel test requires that a movie, let's say,

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<v Speaker 1>has to mainly identifying characters in it with names. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>they have to speak to each other and guess what

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<v Speaker 1>they should not be talking about? Men? Can we can

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<v Speaker 1>we test drive it right now? Please? Yes, Hey Caitlin,

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<v Speaker 1>Hey Jamie, what's up. There's something about the movie we're

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<v Speaker 1>discussing today that I found very distracting. What is it?

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<v Speaker 1>The bone structure of the lead actress was? It was

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<v Speaker 1>too Does it pass the Victel test if I'm a

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<v Speaker 1>hot woman's face? But I do like, okay, the main

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<v Speaker 1>act who is even the main actress in this in

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<v Speaker 1>this film we're discussing today, because it looks like her

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<v Speaker 1>bones were stung by bees her like her her cheekbones

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<v Speaker 1>are so out of her face. I believe you're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about the character Claire played by Emmanuel I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>what this last name is. Anyways, that did pass. It did,

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<v Speaker 1>But again, I don't know why we're judging a woman

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<v Speaker 1>by her looks or even talking about it. That's I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>But but her her bones gets stung by bees, and

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to raise awareness someone get helped for Emmanuel

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<v Speaker 1>built get the bees away from her. Yeah. Anyway, so, um,

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<v Speaker 1>usually we don't body shame women on the podcast I

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<v Speaker 1>was doing. I was doing that to prove that the

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<v Speaker 1>Bechtel test is actually flawed. True, Wow, Jamie, Yeah, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a method. It's not a perfect system. The stakes

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<v Speaker 1>are made, which is why we always have a larger

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<v Speaker 1>conversation about just the treatment of women in general in

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<v Speaker 1>the movie. So we are talking about Mission Impossible, and

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<v Speaker 1>we have a guest here with us as always. He

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<v Speaker 1>is a comedian, a writer, and host of the Cracked podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>Alex Schmidt. Hey, great to be here. Hi, thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad to be doing this. I got to

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<v Speaker 1>go back to the nineties by watching the movie. It's great,

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<v Speaker 1>feel good. So what is your history with Mission Impossible,

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<v Speaker 1>the movie, the franchise. I'm some who grew up on

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of James Bond movies. My grandma worked at

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<v Speaker 1>our local library and they had only very specific things

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<v Speaker 1>on VHS, and one of them was the entire James

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<v Speaker 1>Bond franchise, and so I saw all of them when

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<v Speaker 1>I was really really young, and then I just needed

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<v Speaker 1>more movies along those lines, and so I got into

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<v Speaker 1>the Mission Impossible franchise, Like it's kind of I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like it's kind of a filler place holder for when

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<v Speaker 1>you're out of James Bond movies. You can watch Tom Cruise. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of diet James Bond. If James Bond were

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<v Speaker 1>American and way Shorter, Welcome to Mission Impossible. And then

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like, when you're out of Mission Impossible movies,

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<v Speaker 1>you're like, let's see what Jason Bourne is doing. And

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<v Speaker 1>then when you're out of Jason Bourne, you're like, because

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<v Speaker 1>Matt Damon's not even fun to watch at least Tom

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<v Speaker 1>Cruise is fun to watch, yeah, when I was, and

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Cruise and Matt Damon are both way bigger stars

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<v Speaker 1>than basically everyone who's played James Bond except maybe Sean Connery.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, it's just a much more interesting character somehow,

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<v Speaker 1>James Bond, Like I feel like, specially Ethan hunt is

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<v Speaker 1>so he's like a robot name Ethan. I'm just like

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<v Speaker 1>I dare like there, I'm only going to sympathize or

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<v Speaker 1>feel for a character named Ethan to a point. There's

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<v Speaker 1>just you've got to be a really stellar Ethan for

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<v Speaker 1>me to go to the extra mile for you. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>they can't have a super secret agent named Brandon. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not on brand, Like I'm out immediately. Man. People

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<v Speaker 1>are gonna listen to this podcast in ten years and

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<v Speaker 1>be like, what's wrong with Ethan Ethan as our president?

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<v Speaker 1>What if we had a president Ethan that's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be confusing. Sure, Yes, I don't know how

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<v Speaker 1>the Canadians adjusted to a Justin right. Having a manager

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<v Speaker 1>Justin in charge just feels like is he ready? Regardless

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<v Speaker 1>of how qualified he is, his name's Justin, so is

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<v Speaker 1>he ready? I don't know. He sounds like he's fourteen. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I see what you're saying. Anyways, Anyway, so you grew up,

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<v Speaker 1>would you say, with the way into spy movies. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure I didn't see this one in theaters

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<v Speaker 1>because it came out ninety six, so it didn't quite

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<v Speaker 1>line up. But I'm pretty sure I saw the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of them in theaters and also needed to google all

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<v Speaker 1>of them to remember the plots or what happens. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>not to brag, but in preparation for this episode, she

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<v Speaker 1>went full DOWNNY I went, I went like deep Cover

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<v Speaker 1>into Mission Impossible. You were in the main frame. I

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<v Speaker 1>hacked into the main frame. I'm now a member of

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<v Speaker 1>the I m F. I'm so excited of like how

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<v Speaker 1>much we get to talk about hacking today? Can I

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<v Speaker 1>just say I'm so thrilled so much? Also, the I

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<v Speaker 1>m F, I think in real life is some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of World Bank sort of thing. It's very distracting every

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<v Speaker 1>time they say it in the movie. Yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to do loans or something. I don't remember

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<v Speaker 1>that actually being the name of their organization in the movies. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so my history is that I well, I just rewatched

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<v Speaker 1>all five of them within the span of forty eight hours. Brag. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so sorry or proud. Okay. I like this franchise, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's why. Yeah, I have fun with it. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>love it. I don't think they're cinematic masterpieces, but especially

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<v Speaker 1>as they go on, I think they get better and

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<v Speaker 1>I enjoy like Ghost Protocol especially. I liked Ghost Protocol

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<v Speaker 1>is my son's name, really because that's my stripper name

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<v Speaker 1>and they both can be president, right en, my president.

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<v Speaker 1>But I summarily grew up with this franchise. So the

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<v Speaker 1>first one came out in nineties. I was ten, so

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I saw it right away. I think

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<v Speaker 1>by I saw when I was like twelve. Um, if

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<v Speaker 1>you had asked me at that age what my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>song was, I would have told you it was the

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<v Speaker 1>Mission Impossible theme song. It's a very good theme song. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's great. It's great, like James Bond, it just works. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I did see Mission Possible to in theaters

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<v Speaker 1>at a drive in movie theater in whatever year that was.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you'd ask me that year what my favorite

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<v Speaker 1>movie was, I would have told you Mission Impossible to,

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<v Speaker 1>even though that movie stinks. But then and then all

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<v Speaker 1>the other ones I saw, like in theaters, I enjoy them,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm excited about Fallout coming out. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>would say I have a certain soft spot for Mission Impossible. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also it's like the Fast and Furious franchise where

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<v Speaker 1>it's gotten better lately to like they're on an upswing.

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<v Speaker 1>So with a new one coming out, I'm stoked. See

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<v Speaker 1>I tapped out at Tokyo Drift. I think I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>seen any of that Tokyo Drift is Wait? Is that

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<v Speaker 1>was that a joke? Ar Oh, we're talking. I just

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<v Speaker 1>got so confused. Can I Mission Impossible Tokyo Drift? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>say something about this movie, which is that I don't

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<v Speaker 1>understand a thing that I felt insane watching this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Because this is a movie for the public. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be like you can't see Mission Impossible unless

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<v Speaker 1>you have a graduate degree, which, by the way, Kayle

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<v Speaker 1>does don't if you know that, Jamie, you know that

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<v Speaker 1>I hate to bring it up, so thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much trying bringing up that. I do have a master's

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<v Speaker 1>degree in screenwriting from Boston University. But I took the

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<v Speaker 1>MENSA exam the other day failed and it's because I

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand what happens is. I can't make I can't

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<v Speaker 1>make heads or tales of what happens in this fucking movie.

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<v Speaker 1>And like I was telling you, you guys in the elevator,

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<v Speaker 1>like I I thought something was happening, and I was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>let me just check Wikipedia to make sure this is

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<v Speaker 1>what is actually happening. So totally different was happening. But

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<v Speaker 1>it also makes no sense to me. This movie is

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<v Speaker 1>for intellectuals. I'm literally too stupid to watch this movie.

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<v Speaker 1>It felt very bad. No, I don't think that's true.

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<v Speaker 1>I only barely understand what happens in the movie because

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<v Speaker 1>I've seen it several times. Doesn't totally make sense. But

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<v Speaker 1>so your history, Jamie, is that I wrested it this

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<v Speaker 1>morning and I was bad. I was like sitting so

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<v Speaker 1>like you, I didn't start watching the movie as close

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<v Speaker 1>to my television. As I ended, I kept getting closer

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<v Speaker 1>because I was just like, maybe it'll make more sense

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<v Speaker 1>to get physically closer to this movie. I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>don't understand what what shall I give you? The recap Jamie?

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<v Speaker 1>And he didn't help you understand what happens in this

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful movie? Yeah, I think. But all that said, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I liked it. I just don't know what happened. Sure, well, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not wrong in finding this movie to be hard

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<v Speaker 1>to follow, because Mission Impossible is about Ethan Hunt. He

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<v Speaker 1>is a spy who works for the I m F,

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<v Speaker 1>which stands for the Impossible Mission Force. Is that it

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that's what it stands for. The Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that is what it's something like that. It's it's definitely

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<v Speaker 1>impossible mission something is? How do they recruit anybody? Right? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's somehow affiliated with the CIA, but I

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<v Speaker 1>also don't totally understand that because in the later movies

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<v Speaker 1>like the CIA hates the I MF, so like, who knows?

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<v Speaker 1>Please don't at me and tell me. I would wish

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<v Speaker 1>to remain ignorant of this. But anyway, okay, So Ethan

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<v Speaker 1>Hunt works for this like spy organization, and he and

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<v Speaker 1>his team of people get assigned a mission, and among

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<v Speaker 1>the team is um, Okay, well we'll get there. But

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<v Speaker 1>first it's um Jim Phelps, which is John Foye's character,

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<v Speaker 1>my guy named Jack, which is Amelio Estevez, and then Sarah, Hannah,

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<v Speaker 1>and Claire. So this is the team that is ginger

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<v Speaker 1>parody on the team exactly exactly equal in the middle.

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<v Speaker 1>It had been a long time since I saw this,

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<v Speaker 1>and since the very first person I saw was Emilio Estevez. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>for a second, I thought, oh, is he the lead

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<v Speaker 1>of all of these? I forgot? Did I just super

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<v Speaker 1>super forget who is the main character in the movies

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<v Speaker 1>because it's just Amilio Estevez for about a minute, which

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<v Speaker 1>feels like an eternity. I clutched a little bit when

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<v Speaker 1>I saw him, too, because I was like, oh, that

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<v Speaker 1>would be kind of better. But then you pan up

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<v Speaker 1>and you see his frosty tips, You're like, oh, he's

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<v Speaker 1>a hacker. Now I understand, you know what. I was

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<v Speaker 1>let down by the fact that he was not wearing

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<v Speaker 1>tiny glasses, which is kind of the hackers uniform. He

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<v Speaker 1>had the frosty tips, he didn't have the tiny glasses.

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<v Speaker 1>He did have the black turtleneck, so it's like he

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<v Speaker 1>was two thirds of the way there. He went a

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<v Speaker 1>little rogue by not having tiny reflective glasses. Well, people

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<v Speaker 1>go rogue in these movies all the time. Yeah, Rogue Nation.

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say, isn't that the name of one

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<v Speaker 1>rogue ghost ghost station um ghostwirld Uh. There is another

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<v Speaker 1>hacker who I thought you were talking about, who we

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<v Speaker 1>meet later on the second Hack, the second that's his

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<v Speaker 1>character's name, Hacker re Ducks. Okay, so this is the team.

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<v Speaker 1>We've barely begun the recap it doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 1>So they are tasked with finding a bad guy who

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<v Speaker 1>has a list of names of spies. He has one

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<v Speaker 1>half of it already and he needs the other half

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<v Speaker 1>to like actually figure out the identity of the spies.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're gonna basically get evidence that he's trying to

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<v Speaker 1>steal it and then stop him and figure out who

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<v Speaker 1>the buyer is and stop him as well. But as

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to do this, things start to go wrong

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<v Speaker 1>and people start to die, and everyone dies seemingly except

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<v Speaker 1>for ethan Um. So then he has a rotten go

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<v Speaker 1>ethan President Ethan Everyone we're rooting for Ethan because it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to remember. So Ethan Hunt is the only one

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<v Speaker 1>left alive on his team. So he calls like his

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<v Speaker 1>pals at the I m F. And he's like, hey, Kittridge,

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<v Speaker 1>who's a superior of his He's like, something's happening. And

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<v Speaker 1>he meets with them, and Kittridge believes him to be

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<v Speaker 1>a mole, and he's like, this whole thing was set

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<v Speaker 1>up as a mole hunt, and it looks like you're

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<v Speaker 1>the mole, Ethan Hunt, and he's like, no, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>Your last name is hunting everything, maybe you would one

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<v Speaker 1>we're hunting for. I'm in the You're like, oh, this

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<v Speaker 1>guy is smart. Yeah. Yeah. So Ethan Hunt runs away

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<v Speaker 1>because he's like, I'm not the mole, but I have

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out who is now. So Ethan Hunt learns

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<v Speaker 1>about this mole who's collaborating with an arm stealer named Max,

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<v Speaker 1>so he's like, I gotta go find Max and like

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<v Speaker 1>figure out who the mole is. And there's this whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing where it's like the mole is working with Max

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<v Speaker 1>on this job that they call Job three fourteen, and

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<v Speaker 1>then its actually the the Mole goes by the name

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<v Speaker 1>job and it's a biblical reference and then he's like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he says distracting from an arrested development stands

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<v Speaker 1>when they shot a job all the time there and

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<v Speaker 1>then Ethan Hunt sends an email to Max at job

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<v Speaker 1>space three colon fourteen and it that works the Internet

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<v Speaker 1>in this movie. The Internet is the most compelling character

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<v Speaker 1>in the Entiremente has the most charisma out of everybody

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<v Speaker 1>doing laps around our Tom the inner the way the

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<v Speaker 1>Internet works, where there's one point where it's like there's

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<v Speaker 1>a window open that says internet and then he types

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<v Speaker 1>in access and then it says like thinking, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>what is this is misunderstanding dial up? Like what it's

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<v Speaker 1>like one of those old text adventures where it's like

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<v Speaker 1>you're in a cave, turn left and then you like,

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<v Speaker 1>but somehow it's hacking the Internet. Both hackers talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet in like a way that it's like whoever

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<v Speaker 1>wrote this movie was just hoping no one would ask

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<v Speaker 1>a follow up question because there's the second hacker. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know what his name is because he comes in

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<v Speaker 1>over an hour into the movie. Very cool thing to do,

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<v Speaker 1>just introduce five hundred characters our fifteen and sure, but

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<v Speaker 1>the second hacker, Luther says, in the same sentence, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>as like mainframe motherboard hacking access. And then Tom is like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got to figure this out. You've got like, what

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<v Speaker 1>are you talking about? I just want you to know

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<v Speaker 1>that I just send an email to Max at job

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<v Speaker 1>Space three colon fourteen and it did not work. An

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<v Speaker 1>error message came up right away and said this address

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<v Speaker 1>is not recognized. The CIA wiped them out, clean Ology

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<v Speaker 1>got involved. They're like, this is this was Shelley miss

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<v Speaker 1>Gavages email and it's gone. Now do you guys? Ever,

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<v Speaker 1>when I see a Tom Cruise movie, I give him

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of credit for just not wedging Scientology

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<v Speaker 1>into it all the time, even though he doesn't deserve

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<v Speaker 1>any you know, every time I see a movie with

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<v Speaker 1>him and it ends, I'm like, I didn't come up once.

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<v Speaker 1>How about that? A little bit proud. There's moments where

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<v Speaker 1>it's like, oh, he could very easily just break the

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<v Speaker 1>fourth wall and start pitching us. He's out our attention

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<v Speaker 1>and surprised he doesn't use this platform to like hawk scientology.

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<v Speaker 1>But no, he he keeps a separation of church and

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<v Speaker 1>career against Yeah, alright. So the rest of the story

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<v Speaker 1>is so he is trying to figure out who this

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<v Speaker 1>mole is named Job. This is where I get very lost.

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<v Speaker 1>So he meets with Max, who turns out as a woman.

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<v Speaker 1>How many times are they going to do this twist?

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<v Speaker 1>The androgynous name twist. Hilarious? Love it, It's so cool.

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<v Speaker 1>So he meets with Max and he's like, by the way, Max,

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<v Speaker 1>who is an arm stealer? Yeah, I'm like an undercover spy,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm going to get you that list that you wanted,

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<v Speaker 1>pay me a bunch of money, and revealed to me

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<v Speaker 1>who Job is. Vanessa right, Grave is fabulous in this part. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>she's great. But he basically just reveals this whole identity

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<v Speaker 1>to this person. And then he's like, I'll get the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that you wanted, this you know, list that will

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<v Speaker 1>compromise the identity of however many undercover spies, all of them,

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<v Speaker 1>all of them. Yeah, yeah, just give me like ten

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars and I'll get you this list and I

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<v Speaker 1>just want to know the identity of the mole. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's like that's not a good deal, but we accept

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<v Speaker 1>it because you know, we don't understand really what's happening.

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<v Speaker 1>I also can't hear the plot over the sheer volume

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<v Speaker 1>of Dutch ankles in this movie. You're just like, I can't.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no sense of space or time. So many

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<v Speaker 1>Vanessa Redgrave does not. I'm pretty sure, with the exception

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<v Speaker 1>of two or three shots. Never isn't in a Dutch

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<v Speaker 1>angle in this entire Why I don't. I didn't notice

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<v Speaker 1>that very much. This is a movie for dumb people.

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<v Speaker 1>There's only geniuses and stupid people will understand this movie

0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:05.000
<v Speaker 1>and appreciate people. There's nothing that's like kind of smart people. Um, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So then he compiles this new team of people, among

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<v Speaker 1>them as Luther, the new hack hacker number two, and

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<v Speaker 1>they plan to infiltrate the CIA and steal this knocklist

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<v Speaker 1>of the list of all the names of the spies.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they do that, and that this is supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be the impossible mission, because how do you get in.

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<v Speaker 1>There's like there's a voice activation, there's a retinal scan

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<v Speaker 1>the room, if it increases temperature, if there's any pressure

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<v Speaker 1>on the floor, packing hacking, hacky hacking, so all the

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<v Speaker 1>stuff happens. They get the Knocklist. Then it's revealed that

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<v Speaker 1>Jim Phelps John Voyd's character was the mole all along

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<v Speaker 1>and he like set everyone up and him not dead

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<v Speaker 1>at all, him not dead at all, and his wife Claire,

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<v Speaker 1>who does come back I forgot to mention um and

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<v Speaker 1>helps Ethan Hunt in his impossible mission. Ethan Hunt gropes

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<v Speaker 1>her and then she's like, I'm sad John Voitch is dead,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, why were you dating him? But then

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<v Speaker 1>you were married? God, this is like, I mean, of

0:19:05.359 --> 0:19:08.320
<v Speaker 1>all the there you have to suspend your belief a

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<v Speaker 1>lot in this movie, but the fact that she would

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<v Speaker 1>date John voy who in this movie that is twenty

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<v Speaker 1>years old, is already five hundred years old, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>a lot I did. And they introduced that marriage very

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<v Speaker 1>early on, and that was it was like an s

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<v Speaker 1>S thing where I was like, okay, so it's a

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<v Speaker 1>fake marriage, right, like it's definitely she's and then no

0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:35.440
<v Speaker 1>actual marriage, like that's real. Everything else is an illusion, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The one moment for the clear character that I was

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<v Speaker 1>actually very I was like, oh, that was a good

0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:46.720
<v Speaker 1>acting beasting. She when she pretends to find out that

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<v Speaker 1>John Boyd is dead, she goes, Chuck is dead, and

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, so sad. She did love him

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<v Speaker 1>even though she never sat and hear him more spoke

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<v Speaker 1>to him on screen, So uh yeah. The end of

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<v Speaker 1>the story is basically Ethan Hunt on confronting John Voyd's

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<v Speaker 1>character and learning that his wife Claire was like a

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<v Speaker 1>double agent and had like crossed him, and then she

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<v Speaker 1>gets shot dead, and then he has to like proved

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<v Speaker 1>Kittridge that he's not the mall. He's like, here, I

0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:21.000
<v Speaker 1>found the actual mall. There's a whole helicopter thing. There's

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<v Speaker 1>an explosion, there's a train, there's the glasses, there's the

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<v Speaker 1>John Voight mask. Right, you're wearing John Void's face, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you're not. And that's exciting. Yeah, And that's an

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<v Speaker 1>underrated part because it's they convinced Claire to go into

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<v Speaker 1>train car and then Tom Cruise massed as John Void

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<v Speaker 1>is waiting for her, and then after they speak, real

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<v Speaker 1>John Voight immediately pops out from a closet like two

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<v Speaker 1>feet away from top Cruise. So for an indetermined amount

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<v Speaker 1>of time, real John Voight was just watching fake John

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<v Speaker 1>Void from very close quarters. It's great. Why wouldn't Ethan

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<v Speaker 1>Hunt like sweep the room and make sure his enemy

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<v Speaker 1>John Voight isn't hiding in a closet nearby, And how

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<v Speaker 1>were they able to do it on such a quick turnaround. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the later movies show the maskmaking process and it's really

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<v Speaker 1>eye opening. Yeah, this, this franchise is like obsessive about masks,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's always we'll talk about this a little later,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's certain like recurring things that happened in every

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<v Speaker 1>Mission Impossible movie. I'm down for that. I mean, a

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<v Speaker 1>goofy rubber mask reveal is always very fun. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>as effectively or tastefully done as it is in The

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<v Speaker 1>Master Disguise, which is one of my favorite movies, where

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<v Speaker 1>James Brolin rips off a mask of Bo Derek and

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<v Speaker 1>the audience stands and chairs. Yes, Josh, no, James Brolin,

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<v Speaker 1>the old one. He plays Dana Carvey's father. Dana Carvey's

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<v Speaker 1>forty six in that movie. But but his character is

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be twenty three. It's wild, my gosh, how

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<v Speaker 1>dare he? Anyways? Well, anyway, so that's the that's the

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<v Speaker 1>story of the first Mission an Impossible movie, as far

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<v Speaker 1>as I can explain it. Um, let's take a quick

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<v Speaker 1>break and we will be back in a moment and

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<v Speaker 1>we're back. Hello, So mission impossible. There can I just

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<v Speaker 1>rip off my John Voyd mask really quickly. Very hot John.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that was you, but it turns out it

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<v Speaker 1>was Jamie Lofton. John Voyd is actually out on the balcony.

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<v Speaker 1>He'll come in now and we'll have a confrontation. As

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<v Speaker 1>we hinted at during the recap, it seems like there's

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<v Speaker 1>like a parody within the team at the beginning at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of the movie where it is three men

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<v Speaker 1>and three women, but once they all die, because they

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<v Speaker 1>all die within the first like twenty minutes except for

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<v Speaker 1>well Claire comes back. But um, basically two of the

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<v Speaker 1>three women die, two of the three men die, so

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<v Speaker 1>we're left with Ethan Hunt and Claire is like kind

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<v Speaker 1>of the main players um in the movie. And then

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<v Speaker 1>it was was president Ethan Was he dating hot lady

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<v Speaker 1>with the red lip? Was that like a thing or

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<v Speaker 1>were they were just where? Were they just pretending because

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<v Speaker 1>of spies? Do you know what character you're talking about? Thomas? Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they were dating. I think there's a

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<v Speaker 1>very classic spy move of the two of us need

0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:22.840
<v Speaker 1>to pretend to make out. So there's a reason we're

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<v Speaker 1>just in this alley watching somebody. I think they were

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<v Speaker 1>just doing that, so they were just okay because I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I don't know how attached we're supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>beat because then they're just killed. So it starts gender

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<v Speaker 1>parody and then becomes the opposite as the movie goes on,

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<v Speaker 1>which is great because it's great pretty much all the

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<v Speaker 1>new characters who were introduced, aside from Max is a man,

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<v Speaker 1>because when we meet Kittridge, we meet Luther, we meet Krieger.

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<v Speaker 1>Because I was like, when I was first watching this,

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I didn't super remember it that while

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh wow, is there going to be

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of women in this movie, that's forgetting that

0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:02.760
<v Speaker 1>they almost all die right away. Also I realized, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>what a parent, what a gender parody on the team.

0:24:05.240 --> 0:24:09.160
<v Speaker 1>But then I think they did gender parody so they

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<v Speaker 1>could kill female characters to like create weight, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's kind of why it's such a female team. Honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>like to give it like if it was an all

0:24:17.800 --> 0:24:20.280
<v Speaker 1>male team and they all die, it's like less feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe is probably actor producer Tom Cruise's opinion, I think

0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:26.679
<v Speaker 1>it was pretty rough. Yeah, and then he gets to

0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:29.600
<v Speaker 1>have the moment with with Kristen Scott Thomas of like,

0:24:29.640 --> 0:24:31.080
<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't have that if that was an all male

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<v Speaker 1>team of like, oh we get we get a kiss

0:24:33.359 --> 0:24:36.920
<v Speaker 1>and we get a item. I don't like that they

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<v Speaker 1>bring all the women and they're like, Okay, well we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to murder them, but we're going to bring the

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<v Speaker 1>model back. And she's John Boyd's wife. Yeah, if he

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<v Speaker 1>and a male agent did the fake out make out

0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:51.960
<v Speaker 1>in the alley, that would have ruled. It would have

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<v Speaker 1>been great, Like that was the move like a band

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<v Speaker 1>called fake up, Like what what you've done if the

0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:04.600
<v Speaker 1>spy that he had been paired up with was a man?

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<v Speaker 1>And it just yeah, it feels gross that it's like, oh,

0:25:07.200 --> 0:25:09.800
<v Speaker 1>well she's a woman, so what choice do you have

0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:11.840
<v Speaker 1>but to pretend to make out with her? And it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>which is something that happens a lot in these movies

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<v Speaker 1>where and this one the first one specifically. So Claire

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<v Speaker 1>comes back after Ethan Hunt thinks that she is among

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<v Speaker 1>all the people who have died on his team, but

0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:27.399
<v Speaker 1>she comes back and he's extremely suspicious of her because

0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:29.280
<v Speaker 1>he thinks maybe she's the mole or maybe the mole

0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:33.680
<v Speaker 1>sent her. So he like pretty violently grabs her, rips

0:25:33.720 --> 0:25:37.000
<v Speaker 1>off her coat like man handles her, pats her, DAPs

0:25:37.880 --> 0:25:40.720
<v Speaker 1>and pats her down in a very like sexually aggressive way,

0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:44.040
<v Speaker 1>throws her on the bed, gets on top of her.

0:25:44.680 --> 0:25:46.960
<v Speaker 1>She's crying. He's like, who's done you? Who sent you?

0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:49.199
<v Speaker 1>She's like no, Like, this is the rendezvous we're supposed

0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:52.920
<v Speaker 1>to like meet. He's screaming at her, his face is

0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:55.600
<v Speaker 1>like enters away from hers, and it's like, take away

0:25:55.600 --> 0:25:59.399
<v Speaker 1>the context of the scene and just look at the

0:25:59.440 --> 0:26:01.840
<v Speaker 1>image and it could easily almost looked like a sex

0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:04.119
<v Speaker 1>scene where he's like, they're on a bed, he's on

0:26:04.160 --> 0:26:07.919
<v Speaker 1>top of her. So it's making what's very like a

0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:12.399
<v Speaker 1>very violent and angry moment and sexualizing it very heavily

0:26:12.480 --> 0:26:16.600
<v Speaker 1>for no reason. Yeah, it's And also keep in mind

0:26:16.680 --> 0:26:19.879
<v Speaker 1>he just screamed at her that her husband died, right,

0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:21.840
<v Speaker 1>He's like, your husband's dead, and then he had like

0:26:22.280 --> 0:26:24.560
<v Speaker 1>kind of attacks her, and we were like, what what

0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:28.080
<v Speaker 1>is happening? And then the way that that bothers me

0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:32.600
<v Speaker 1>with this genre of movie in particular is that we

0:26:32.680 --> 0:26:36.320
<v Speaker 1>see this scene and it is aggressive, and then later

0:26:36.359 --> 0:26:39.560
<v Speaker 1>we find out that she's lying and that she's like

0:26:39.600 --> 0:26:42.239
<v Speaker 1>a double agent, and so that sort of to an

0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:45.080
<v Speaker 1>audience member justifies like, well, it's okay that he did

0:26:45.080 --> 0:26:49.680
<v Speaker 1>that because she was lying, and guy exactly, yeah, right.

0:26:49.840 --> 0:26:53.720
<v Speaker 1>And then well, another interesting thing about the Claire character

0:26:54.080 --> 0:26:56.879
<v Speaker 1>is that so because she was married to John Voight's character,

0:26:57.280 --> 0:27:00.560
<v Speaker 1>we find out that that's what's motivating her to Ethan

0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:02.800
<v Speaker 1>because as far as we know in the beginning, before

0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:04.840
<v Speaker 1>we find out that he's alive and that he was

0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:07.520
<v Speaker 1>lying and he's the mall and that um, she's also

0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:11.320
<v Speaker 1>like collaborating with the bad guy. Her being married to

0:27:11.359 --> 0:27:13.760
<v Speaker 1>him is what's motivating her to help Ethan, which is

0:27:13.800 --> 0:27:16.840
<v Speaker 1>like a reversal of a trope that we usually see

0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:20.640
<v Speaker 1>where it's like my wife for my daughter. So it's yeah,

0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:26.760
<v Speaker 1>it's so for clear, so we're seeing instead my husband

0:27:27.119 --> 0:27:36.199
<v Speaker 1>basically my husband. I don't know how interesting that is.

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:39.720
<v Speaker 1>It's certainly like a role reversal, but it still feels

0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:43.280
<v Speaker 1>kind of trophy. I think it does. And also it

0:27:43.680 --> 0:27:46.640
<v Speaker 1>ensures that her character from most of the movie, as

0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:49.560
<v Speaker 1>far as we know, her motivation is strictly tied to

0:27:50.359 --> 0:27:53.520
<v Speaker 1>two men, and it's also sort of implied that she

0:27:53.760 --> 0:27:57.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like that she's at the end. John

0:27:57.280 --> 0:28:01.159
<v Speaker 1>Voight basically speaks on her behalf for a whole scene,

0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:04.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's like she was just seducing you. She doesn't

0:28:04.520 --> 0:28:09.600
<v Speaker 1>think you're hot, Tom Cruise. That's like she think I'm hot.

0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:14.560
<v Speaker 1>John voyt like the twist. That's the real twist of

0:28:14.640 --> 0:28:19.159
<v Speaker 1>the movie. But it was like basically he's saying, and

0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:22.720
<v Speaker 1>she's again one of those my favorite action movie tropes,

0:28:22.760 --> 0:28:25.399
<v Speaker 1>which is the woman can watch the last scene of

0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:29.639
<v Speaker 1>the movie, but she cannot participate. Um, so she's fully

0:28:29.680 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 1>audience and sometime actually be like Ethan. But John voy

0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:37.880
<v Speaker 1>is just stating what her double agent thing was when

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 1>she easily could have and it's also like I sent

0:28:41.800 --> 0:28:44.640
<v Speaker 1>her because she had to seduce you, Like that was

0:28:44.880 --> 0:28:47.600
<v Speaker 1>clearly what his character saw the value. And then he's

0:28:47.760 --> 0:28:50.160
<v Speaker 1>what was that thing he said about like I got

0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:54.400
<v Speaker 1>I got a taste of it or something disgustingly some

0:28:54.480 --> 0:28:58.800
<v Speaker 1>cross thing like I've tasted the goods or the goods, Yeah,

0:29:00.000 --> 0:29:02.560
<v Speaker 1>at the goods myself, And I was like, oh my god,

0:29:02.680 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 1>she's there, you know, right, But then he shoots her

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:11.360
<v Speaker 1>like two seconds later. Yeah, he's like my wife, who

0:29:11.840 --> 0:29:13.760
<v Speaker 1>it seemed like they were on the same page and

0:29:13.880 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 1>actually loved each other because they were working side by side.

0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:20.920
<v Speaker 1>It didn't make sense that he shot it, right. No, right,

0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:23.600
<v Speaker 1>But even so, like I don't know it just what

0:29:23.760 --> 0:29:27.280
<v Speaker 1>had been established about their relationship is like totally negated

0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:30.320
<v Speaker 1>whenever he shoots her for no fucking reason. Right. His

0:29:30.480 --> 0:29:33.560
<v Speaker 1>character is confusing to me. Her character is also confusing

0:29:33.600 --> 0:29:37.160
<v Speaker 1>to me. It's sort of is explained at the very end,

0:29:37.760 --> 0:29:40.680
<v Speaker 1>but we don't know why she's doing that job outside

0:29:40.720 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 1>of her loyalty to her husband. Really, we don't know

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:47.280
<v Speaker 1>anything about her, and then her husband kills her. So

0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:50.440
<v Speaker 1>I have a question about did she and Tom Cruise

0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:53.760
<v Speaker 1>hook up? Was that fade to black suggestion that they

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:56.520
<v Speaker 1>hooked up or did she just like lick his hand

0:29:56.560 --> 0:30:00.680
<v Speaker 1>and then he was like good night, I'm in real life?

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:05.000
<v Speaker 1>Second thing for sure. I mean this is also these

0:30:05.040 --> 0:30:08.000
<v Speaker 1>movies the few ways they're different from Bond movies. I

0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:10.640
<v Speaker 1>feel like between Tom Cruise being the star of all

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:12.400
<v Speaker 1>of them and being the producer of all of them,

0:30:12.440 --> 0:30:14.160
<v Speaker 1>and there's there's not really a lot of other carryover

0:30:14.280 --> 0:30:18.000
<v Speaker 1>between them, like it's basically James Bond but a sexual.

0:30:18.520 --> 0:30:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Not that there's anything wrong with being a sexual if

0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:23.320
<v Speaker 1>you are, but like there's no I feel like Tom

0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:25.120
<v Speaker 1>Cruise as a person in life doesn't know how to

0:30:25.160 --> 0:30:27.560
<v Speaker 1>deal with women at all, and so it just carries

0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:30.160
<v Speaker 1>over to the screen. So it's a James Bond movie

0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:33.080
<v Speaker 1>or James Bond has no interest in women. But it's

0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:34.720
<v Speaker 1>just like doing the beats of it, you know, like

0:30:35.160 --> 0:30:37.440
<v Speaker 1>a hot woman to be around Vond and I don't

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:41.720
<v Speaker 1>want to kiss. Yeah, right, Bond is like a womanizer

0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:45.080
<v Speaker 1>like always. But well, okay, I actually so, because I

0:30:45.120 --> 0:30:49.920
<v Speaker 1>watched all of the Mission Impossible movies, I made a

0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:53.040
<v Speaker 1>few notes on each one and I just basically um

0:30:53.120 --> 0:30:57.520
<v Speaker 1>some you know, recurring motifs and whatnot. So for Mission

0:30:57.560 --> 0:31:01.040
<v Speaker 1>Impossible to which came out in two thousands, there's basically

0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:03.680
<v Speaker 1>only one female character in the entire thing, played by

0:31:03.880 --> 0:31:07.960
<v Speaker 1>Sandy Newton. There's a scene where she and Ethan Hunt

0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:11.600
<v Speaker 1>are in a bathtub hiding from like a bad guy

0:31:11.800 --> 0:31:15.240
<v Speaker 1>or something, and he's on top of her and she's like, actually,

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:18.040
<v Speaker 1>I like to be on top, So then she wraps

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:20.360
<v Speaker 1>her legs around him and like flips them over so

0:31:20.360 --> 0:31:22.920
<v Speaker 1>that she's on top of him. She's then straddling him

0:31:22.920 --> 0:31:27.480
<v Speaker 1>while she's like stealing some jewelry. They are wearing clothes,

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:34.040
<v Speaker 1>but they're wearing turtle she is she is using tools

0:31:34.080 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 1>to steal this jewelry that are disguised as a makeup

0:31:37.760 --> 0:31:41.040
<v Speaker 1>compact and a lipstick. You know, when you're a woman

0:31:41.080 --> 0:31:43.680
<v Speaker 1>and you're like a thief or spy, your tools have

0:31:43.880 --> 0:31:47.560
<v Speaker 1>to be disguised as makeup. Those are the rules. Because

0:31:47.560 --> 0:31:49.840
<v Speaker 1>it reminds me of in this first movie. I feel

0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:52.560
<v Speaker 1>like the famous thing is stealing the thing in the

0:31:52.640 --> 0:31:56.160
<v Speaker 1>Cia vault and Tom Cruise floating over the floor. All

0:31:56.160 --> 0:31:58.040
<v Speaker 1>three of the guys have very male jobs in it.

0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:02.280
<v Speaker 1>And then Claire's job is to just score stuff into coffee. Right, Yeah,

0:32:02.440 --> 0:32:04.760
<v Speaker 1>she gets the most boring ship to do out of

0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:07.600
<v Speaker 1>every like a very It's also kind of like she

0:32:07.640 --> 0:32:09.720
<v Speaker 1>has to be like flirtatious because she's sitting next to

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:11.640
<v Speaker 1>the guy. They're like on the same side of the table.

0:32:11.720 --> 0:32:13.520
<v Speaker 1>No one's across from him. It's like a really weird

0:32:13.560 --> 0:32:15.880
<v Speaker 1>They're just like sitting side by side like touches. He's

0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:18.920
<v Speaker 1>way too close to him. He looks up, she smiles

0:32:18.960 --> 0:32:23.440
<v Speaker 1>at him. And he's like, oh, pretty girl, smile to me. Yeah,

0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:26.880
<v Speaker 1>and then the script Tom Cruise wrote that she was

0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:29.960
<v Speaker 1>probably like she uses girl powers to do it, Like

0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:32.360
<v Speaker 1>that's it, Like he doesn't know anything about women, so

0:32:32.880 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 1>like their power is girl stuff, like to self act

0:32:37.000 --> 0:32:45.400
<v Speaker 1>Nicole what girls do and put in the script there. Yeah, yeah, wait. Oh,

0:32:45.440 --> 0:32:47.800
<v Speaker 1>so there's a couple of uh my favorite moment of

0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:51.240
<v Speaker 1>Mission Impossible to Anthony Hopkins is in this one, and

0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:54.480
<v Speaker 1>he is void and busy. I guess no, he dies

0:32:54.560 --> 0:32:57.040
<v Speaker 1>at the end of Mission Impossible. I thought that I

0:32:57.160 --> 0:33:00.640
<v Speaker 1>just bad that I started just assumed he would come back.

0:33:00.920 --> 0:33:02.920
<v Speaker 1>Who seems like characters in this franchise can kind of

0:33:02.960 --> 0:33:04.560
<v Speaker 1>just come back. I'm my god, he's probably well, I

0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:07.040
<v Speaker 1>want to talk about that in a second. But so,

0:33:07.080 --> 0:33:10.160
<v Speaker 1>Anthony Hopkins is trying to get Ethan Hunt to recruit

0:33:10.200 --> 0:33:12.760
<v Speaker 1>Sandy Newton's character to like join their team because of

0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:15.680
<v Speaker 1>her past relationship to the man that they're trying to

0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:19.240
<v Speaker 1>get close to, and Ethan Hunt, who's developing a romantic

0:33:19.280 --> 0:33:22.560
<v Speaker 1>relationship with her for no reason other than they need

0:33:22.600 --> 0:33:26.400
<v Speaker 1>to see a Hawkeye and Hawk girl kissing on screen. Um,

0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:30.440
<v Speaker 1>he says, no, she doesn't have the training for that

0:33:30.520 --> 0:33:34.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of thing. And Anthony Hopkins says, to go to

0:33:34.400 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 1>bed with a man and lie to him. She's a woman.

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:40.600
<v Speaker 1>She's got all the training she needs. It's like, okay,

0:33:40.640 --> 0:33:49.520
<v Speaker 1>we get it, Anthony Hopkins, you've been dumps. Stop projecting, honey,

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 1>who's Beth? I don't know? Oh really, really quick. Um.

0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:04.040
<v Speaker 1>The use of gadgets in Mission Impossible is great. The

0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:08.360
<v Speaker 1>gum impractical. If you sat on that gum you would

0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:12.360
<v Speaker 1>blow up. It doesn't It's like what if Tom Cruise,

0:34:12.680 --> 0:34:15.960
<v Speaker 1>God forbid, put that gum in his back pocket, he

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:21.560
<v Speaker 1>would explode and then the glasses flip. Sorry, anyways, Amelia

0:34:21.640 --> 0:34:23.920
<v Speaker 1>did a great job. Also Amelia in this movie, and

0:34:23.960 --> 0:34:26.200
<v Speaker 1>I double checked to make sure this is true. For

0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:30.200
<v Speaker 1>some reason, Alex to go uncredited in this His name

0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:34.839
<v Speaker 1>is not in the credits. He's in why It more

0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:36.680
<v Speaker 1>than a lot of people. Yeah, he has quite a

0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 1>few lines and he's really in it. Yeah, it's not

0:34:38.680 --> 0:34:41.680
<v Speaker 1>just a cameo. He's uncredited. His death is so gruesome

0:34:41.719 --> 0:34:44.239
<v Speaker 1>by the way he gets like a elevator spiked to

0:34:44.280 --> 0:34:52.600
<v Speaker 1>the face. Final destination is horrible. So talking about your

0:34:52.640 --> 0:34:56.560
<v Speaker 1>point of like recurring characters, Jamie of all the movies

0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:59.239
<v Speaker 1>in the franchise, it's always the same leading man of

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:02.480
<v Speaker 1>Tom Cruise play Ethan Hunt. And there's quite a few

0:35:02.640 --> 0:35:09.359
<v Speaker 1>recurring side characters who are except for one example, all men,

0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 1>because you have Simon Pegg's character who comes I think

0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:16.000
<v Speaker 1>he's introduced in the third movie and then he's in

0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:19.000
<v Speaker 1>I think all the other ones after that. Luther is

0:35:19.040 --> 0:35:25.640
<v Speaker 1>in I think every movie or every movie but one. Yeah,

0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:31.600
<v Speaker 1>he's always happy. Yeah, Jeremy Renner character gets introduced and

0:35:31.800 --> 0:35:34.919
<v Speaker 1>he's in a couple of the movies. So it's several men.

0:35:35.040 --> 0:35:37.440
<v Speaker 1>And then there is one character who I think in

0:35:37.480 --> 0:35:41.799
<v Speaker 1>the third movie, um Ethan Hunt gets married, uh to

0:35:43.800 --> 0:35:46.799
<v Speaker 1>Michelle right. I don't know if that sound and then

0:35:46.920 --> 0:35:51.120
<v Speaker 1>she shows up again in another movie, but only for

0:35:51.120 --> 0:35:54.000
<v Speaker 1>like a split second. So it's really any of the

0:35:54.000 --> 0:35:57.640
<v Speaker 1>notable characters who are recurring are all men, and of

0:35:57.640 --> 0:36:00.960
<v Speaker 1>the women who so in the movies there's usually one

0:36:01.040 --> 0:36:04.319
<v Speaker 1>main woman. They're not really romantic lead because yeah, he

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:07.360
<v Speaker 1>is often like kind of a sexual the a sexual

0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:12.640
<v Speaker 1>bond girls well like so it's not a sexual because

0:36:12.680 --> 0:36:15.439
<v Speaker 1>they are usually sexualized in some way and there is

0:36:15.640 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 1>often like a moment where they either have like a

0:36:18.520 --> 0:36:21.759
<v Speaker 1>flirtation or some sort of sexual tension, but there's like

0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:25.120
<v Speaker 1>a female lead. She changes every single time in the movie.

0:36:25.120 --> 0:36:29.399
<v Speaker 1>There's no recurring female leads. Usually as the movies go on,

0:36:30.080 --> 0:36:32.120
<v Speaker 1>they stay at the same age, but all the other

0:36:32.280 --> 0:36:35.040
<v Speaker 1>like you know, Tom Cruise and everyone gets older, so

0:36:35.080 --> 0:36:37.279
<v Speaker 1>we don't Tom Cruise could be drinking the blood of

0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:41.280
<v Speaker 1>young people and would immortal. Sure, We've all seen interview

0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:45.360
<v Speaker 1>with a vampire, so that tracks there being no recurring

0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:47.640
<v Speaker 1>women in the movie. I feel like sends a message

0:36:47.760 --> 0:36:51.600
<v Speaker 1>to everyone who's seeing this, especially the men, that it's

0:36:51.640 --> 0:36:54.520
<v Speaker 1>like cool to be a playboy, and it's cool to

0:36:54.560 --> 0:36:56.920
<v Speaker 1>have like a bunch of different women, and whenever you

0:36:56.960 --> 0:36:58.960
<v Speaker 1>get bored with one, you can just like dump her

0:36:58.960 --> 0:37:00.399
<v Speaker 1>and move on to the next. I feel the Bond

0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:03.279
<v Speaker 1>franchise is much more guilty of this than Mission Impossible,

0:37:03.719 --> 0:37:07.360
<v Speaker 1>but it's still implying that like women can be replaced,

0:37:07.400 --> 0:37:09.800
<v Speaker 1>that they're basically just like objects that you can cast

0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:13.239
<v Speaker 1>aside and recast in a new movie. I want to

0:37:13.280 --> 0:37:16.120
<v Speaker 1>see a movie about the island where Tom Cruise sends

0:37:16.120 --> 0:37:19.440
<v Speaker 1>women when they turned thirty. I wanted to see a

0:37:19.560 --> 0:37:22.640
<v Speaker 1>movie about all of Tom Cruise's former co stars who

0:37:22.680 --> 0:37:27.440
<v Speaker 1>he shipped off to an island on their thirtieth birthday. Um, yeah,

0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:30.120
<v Speaker 1>because there that that is such a trope of this

0:37:30.400 --> 0:37:33.960
<v Speaker 1>genre and of I mean, but it really spans all

0:37:34.040 --> 0:37:37.040
<v Speaker 1>genres where rom coms are often very guilty of this.

0:37:37.440 --> 0:37:41.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, in historically, male entertainers tend to get more

0:37:41.680 --> 0:37:45.160
<v Speaker 1>opportunities to do things later into their lives and are

0:37:45.239 --> 0:37:49.520
<v Speaker 1>also just given I mean, even John Voight's character in

0:37:49.560 --> 0:37:53.759
<v Speaker 1>the first movie, the massive age gap between him and

0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:57.799
<v Speaker 1>his Uh not not to shame anyone who has made

0:37:57.800 --> 0:38:01.640
<v Speaker 1>December robmance, but this is fucking ridiculous. Like it's it's

0:38:01.640 --> 0:38:05.400
<v Speaker 1>pretty much the often the only representation we see of

0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:08.839
<v Speaker 1>like a hetero romantic relationship where it's a much older man.

0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:12.240
<v Speaker 1>It's like, if there is a movie with an older

0:38:12.239 --> 0:38:16.880
<v Speaker 1>man as the lead, it's very rare to see his

0:38:17.239 --> 0:38:21.200
<v Speaker 1>romantic partner be his contemporary. Yeah, she's almost most always

0:38:21.239 --> 0:38:24.880
<v Speaker 1>like years younger than him. And it's interesting because I

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:29.160
<v Speaker 1>think that these tropes in this movie in particular are

0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:32.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of like it's it's very clear to see them

0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:36.799
<v Speaker 1>because there is this whole kind of sexless vibe to

0:38:36.880 --> 0:38:39.840
<v Speaker 1>this movie where you see these tropes, and it's like

0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:43.760
<v Speaker 1>they've plugged in all the like young women dates, old man,

0:38:44.200 --> 0:38:47.319
<v Speaker 1>hot women interested in the lead, but it's presented in

0:38:47.400 --> 0:38:51.719
<v Speaker 1>such a non sexual way for the male lead that

0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:54.719
<v Speaker 1>it's almost just like this weird roadmap of like, oh, yeah,

0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:58.080
<v Speaker 1>this is how all action movies are, regardless of whether

0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:01.240
<v Speaker 1>it makes sense for the plot or the cares. Because

0:39:01.239 --> 0:39:04.160
<v Speaker 1>in James Bond movies, it's so knocking you over the head,

0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:07.880
<v Speaker 1>it's so sexual, but this one, it's like almost like

0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:10.640
<v Speaker 1>there's like a little bit of an uncanny quality to

0:39:10.760 --> 0:39:13.440
<v Speaker 1>the way women are treated, because it doesn't make sense

0:39:13.520 --> 0:39:16.640
<v Speaker 1>in such a non sexual movie for women to be

0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:19.040
<v Speaker 1>presented this way. But it's just like, well, this is

0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:20.959
<v Speaker 1>what we do in these movies, and it's just again,

0:39:20.960 --> 0:39:24.640
<v Speaker 1>it's very bizarre to me that he works in every

0:39:24.680 --> 0:39:27.440
<v Speaker 1>of the movies. There's why who's a woman who he

0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:29.960
<v Speaker 1>works with and who proves herself to be very competent,

0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:33.279
<v Speaker 1>and yet why don't we ever see her again? Sometimes well,

0:39:33.360 --> 0:39:36.200
<v Speaker 1>sometimes she dies in the movie, but if she doesn't,

0:39:36.600 --> 0:39:39.080
<v Speaker 1>it would stand to reason because other of the like

0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:42.400
<v Speaker 1>male characters who are recurring, like Luther and Simon Pegg's

0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:45.479
<v Speaker 1>character and Jeremy Renner's character, like they come back, why

0:39:45.920 --> 0:39:48.879
<v Speaker 1>don't any of the women get to? And this also

0:39:49.040 --> 0:39:51.359
<v Speaker 1>got me thinking that so even in this, in this

0:39:51.400 --> 0:39:54.200
<v Speaker 1>first movie that came out, a few of the main

0:39:54.480 --> 0:40:00.799
<v Speaker 1>men are Tom Cruise, Emilio Estevez, John Voight, three like famous,

0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:04.839
<v Speaker 1>recognizable dudes who are still even like over twenty years later,

0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:10.480
<v Speaker 1>still famous, still recognizable. The women whose character's names are Sarah, Hannah,

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:13.600
<v Speaker 1>and Claire. I, off top of my head don't know

0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:16.040
<v Speaker 1>those actresses names, even though we just I just said

0:40:16.040 --> 0:40:20.120
<v Speaker 1>one Emmanuel, like I've never I don't know her. That

0:40:20.200 --> 0:40:23.360
<v Speaker 1>might be sort of familiar faces, but I don't recognize

0:40:23.400 --> 0:40:25.160
<v Speaker 1>them by names certainly. And it got me on this

0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:29.880
<v Speaker 1>train of thought where I wonder if lesser known women

0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:32.560
<v Speaker 1>get cast in these parts opposite men, because it's like,

0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:35.440
<v Speaker 1>are they worried the women, like a more famous woman

0:40:36.080 --> 0:40:40.279
<v Speaker 1>is gonna upstage the man, you know what I mean? Like,

0:40:41.680 --> 0:40:45.200
<v Speaker 1>but that varies for franchise to franchise, But in this one,

0:40:45.320 --> 0:40:48.520
<v Speaker 1>especially like in the later movies, the woman who gets

0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:52.480
<v Speaker 1>cast opposite Tom Cruise is usually familiar, but not like

0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:55.680
<v Speaker 1>a household name, like maybe it's like, oh, well, they're

0:40:55.680 --> 0:40:59.480
<v Speaker 1>giving like an up and coming actress her chance? Is

0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:01.560
<v Speaker 1>it bad to say actress? I feel like it's this actor,

0:41:01.960 --> 0:41:06.040
<v Speaker 1>an actor who's a woman, her chance. But I also

0:41:06.200 --> 0:41:09.160
<v Speaker 1>wonder if it's like, well, like Tom Cruise doesn't want

0:41:09.160 --> 0:41:12.319
<v Speaker 1>to be upstaged by like a woman, just as famousism.

0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:14.640
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. This might be all pure speculation, but

0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:17.000
<v Speaker 1>I think this is true of and it doesn't vary

0:41:17.000 --> 0:41:19.600
<v Speaker 1>from franchise to franchise, but I think this is actually

0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:23.160
<v Speaker 1>pretty common for like action franchises like this. I think

0:41:23.160 --> 0:41:27.919
<v Speaker 1>that this this rule definitely applies to Transformers This. That's

0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:31.120
<v Speaker 1>the franchise that came to my mind where Megan Fox

0:41:31.200 --> 0:41:33.880
<v Speaker 1>became such a big name off of that movie and

0:41:33.880 --> 0:41:37.160
<v Speaker 1>then she kind of got like blackballed from that franchise

0:41:37.200 --> 0:41:39.440
<v Speaker 1>because she was kind of like too big and was

0:41:39.480 --> 0:41:41.839
<v Speaker 1>asking to be treated fairly and they're like, oh no,

0:41:41.960 --> 0:41:45.279
<v Speaker 1>we'll just get someone else. Yeah, instead of treating you

0:41:45.320 --> 0:41:49.360
<v Speaker 1>fairly and like your work has impact on this franchise,

0:41:49.440 --> 0:41:52.160
<v Speaker 1>we will literally just recast you. Yeah, I think, because

0:41:52.200 --> 0:41:53.920
<v Speaker 1>I think with a lot of these franchises too, you

0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:57.200
<v Speaker 1>can just see those Hollywood machine parts moving of Oh,

0:41:57.280 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 1>we just need a new lady, new lady and then impossible.

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:03.439
<v Speaker 1>It's sort of extra weird because I think it's also

0:42:03.480 --> 0:42:06.279
<v Speaker 1>just partly driven with Tom Cruise the person being like

0:42:06.400 --> 0:42:09.000
<v Speaker 1>he's probably bad at hanging out with women or like

0:42:09.040 --> 0:42:11.960
<v Speaker 1>being around them, Like he clearly wants the exact same

0:42:12.080 --> 0:42:14.880
<v Speaker 1>dudes on set every time around, like this new one

0:42:14.920 --> 0:42:16.879
<v Speaker 1>I think is the first repeat director, but it's only

0:42:16.920 --> 0:42:20.160
<v Speaker 1>been male directors. It's the same guys on the crew

0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:22.759
<v Speaker 1>all the time. He just wants Alec Baldwin and Ving

0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Rahim's back all the time, but constantly new women all

0:42:26.200 --> 0:42:30.319
<v Speaker 1>the time, just everywhere. Yeah, yeah, Tom Cruise, I mean,

0:42:30.400 --> 0:42:32.880
<v Speaker 1>and and we just we just don't have time to

0:42:33.000 --> 0:42:36.560
<v Speaker 1>unpack Tom Cruise today. But there's when will there be time?

0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:39.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, there's so many levels of fucory to the

0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:41.840
<v Speaker 1>career of Tom Cruise, and Tom Cruise as he pertains

0:42:41.880 --> 0:42:45.759
<v Speaker 1>to women, shouts out to Katie and Nicole, Boy, they

0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:49.600
<v Speaker 1>have to deal with some shit really bad. You can

0:42:49.640 --> 0:42:52.480
<v Speaker 1>read up on it if if you want. But yeah,

0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I would imagine I'm just shot in the

0:42:56.680 --> 0:43:00.560
<v Speaker 1>dark here. Tom Cruise probably does not want and actress

0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:05.120
<v Speaker 1>who is his equal experience wise on screen with him,

0:43:05.200 --> 0:43:07.400
<v Speaker 1>because it seems like he has a pathological fear of

0:43:07.440 --> 0:43:11.480
<v Speaker 1>being upstaged. Yeah, yeah, that would be That would be

0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:13.319
<v Speaker 1>another thing I guess. I will say I didn't know

0:43:13.400 --> 0:43:17.640
<v Speaker 1>that Emmanuel bay Are is within a year of the

0:43:17.680 --> 0:43:20.759
<v Speaker 1>same age as Tom Cruise. Sure in this movie when

0:43:20.800 --> 0:43:24.160
<v Speaker 1>he is young, she is an age appropriate person for him.

0:43:24.160 --> 0:43:27.759
<v Speaker 1>In this movie, she's not age appropriate for John Voight, who,

0:43:27.800 --> 0:43:31.399
<v Speaker 1>as I said, was born in eighteen ninety six if

0:43:31.400 --> 0:43:35.920
<v Speaker 1>you can believe was eighteen nine six. That's so crazy

0:43:36.040 --> 0:43:39.080
<v Speaker 1>that he's still working. Sure, it means like, yeah, she

0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:43.719
<v Speaker 1>is age appropriate in this movie, but twenty two years later,

0:43:43.760 --> 0:43:46.680
<v Speaker 1>when this franchise is still going on and the women

0:43:46.760 --> 0:43:51.520
<v Speaker 1>who are you know cast opposite him are still you know, thirty.

0:43:53.040 --> 0:43:56.680
<v Speaker 1>So let's take a quick break and we will be

0:43:56.800 --> 0:44:06.120
<v Speaker 1>back shortly, and we're back. Another thing I wanted to

0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:08.560
<v Speaker 1>talk about, and Alex you touched on this is like

0:44:08.600 --> 0:44:12.800
<v Speaker 1>that very iconic scene where Tom Cruise is like dangling

0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:14.759
<v Speaker 1>on the rope, like suspended, kind of in mid air

0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:18.600
<v Speaker 1>when he's like trying to steal the knocklist. That scene

0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:23.720
<v Speaker 1>has been like spoofed, parodied, alluded to in like bazillions

0:44:23.760 --> 0:44:27.640
<v Speaker 1>of things in pop culture, one of them being Paddington,

0:44:29.719 --> 0:44:32.279
<v Speaker 1>but that's neither here nor there. But please go check

0:44:32.280 --> 0:44:34.480
<v Speaker 1>out the movie Paddington and Paddington too if you haven't

0:44:34.560 --> 0:44:37.720
<v Speaker 1>um anyway, So it got me thinking about very famous

0:44:37.719 --> 0:44:41.920
<v Speaker 1>and iconic movie scenes like this. I made a list

0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:45.000
<v Speaker 1>which will take probably too long to go through, but

0:44:45.040 --> 0:44:47.920
<v Speaker 1>you can. There's like super cuts on YouTube of like

0:44:48.040 --> 0:44:51.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, iconic movie scenes or like famous movie quotes,

0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:55.600
<v Speaker 1>and you'll find that almost all of them involve men,

0:44:56.360 --> 0:45:00.480
<v Speaker 1>not a woman to be seen. And if there is

0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:03.400
<v Speaker 1>a woman to be seen, uh, it is usually in

0:45:03.840 --> 0:45:08.680
<v Speaker 1>like a very romantic, hetero context. So if we're thinking,

0:45:08.719 --> 0:45:12.080
<v Speaker 1>like you had me at Hello, right, she's declaring her

0:45:12.160 --> 0:45:15.480
<v Speaker 1>love for a man, she's sometimes if she's in a

0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:19.680
<v Speaker 1>Harrison Ford movie, chances are she's being grabbed by Harrison

0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Ford and kissed. Forcibly, God, I hate Harrison Everyone's dream

0:45:23.840 --> 0:45:28.759
<v Speaker 1>Oh God, push them out a window. But but I do.

0:45:28.800 --> 0:45:32.160
<v Speaker 1>I want to believe it about the about the iconic scenes. Yeah, yeah,

0:45:32.360 --> 0:45:36.840
<v Speaker 1>so that's unfortunate. Fortunately, I think we at least in

0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:40.000
<v Speaker 1>the past ten years, have more female action heroes to

0:45:40.200 --> 0:45:44.640
<v Speaker 1>choose from, which is great, but it's still yeah, in

0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:48.520
<v Speaker 1>in terms of the history of cinema. It's really just

0:45:49.080 --> 0:45:53.880
<v Speaker 1>straight ladies kissing straight dudes, and sometimes they get in

0:45:53.920 --> 0:45:59.759
<v Speaker 1>a line, and sometimes if they're lucky, and sometimes you

0:45:59.800 --> 0:46:02.320
<v Speaker 1>get Scarlett O'Hara shaking her fist at the sky and

0:46:02.320 --> 0:46:05.520
<v Speaker 1>you're like, oh, that's exciting. But wait, she's a slave owner,

0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:11.520
<v Speaker 1>so that's not good either. So movies are bad. Movies

0:46:11.680 --> 0:46:14.439
<v Speaker 1>are not good. Oh, just a couple. So going back

0:46:14.440 --> 0:46:17.239
<v Speaker 1>to some of the other sequels, a few things I

0:46:17.239 --> 0:46:21.640
<v Speaker 1>wanted to mention or just trends that I found is

0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:25.640
<v Speaker 1>that there's almost always a scene where Ethan Hunt does

0:46:25.680 --> 0:46:29.400
<v Speaker 1>something to a female character that is not a sexual act,

0:46:29.600 --> 0:46:33.719
<v Speaker 1>like hiding from a bad guy or like searching them

0:46:33.760 --> 0:46:36.880
<v Speaker 1>because he thinks they're suspicious, but the movie always frames

0:46:36.920 --> 0:46:40.359
<v Speaker 1>it as something very sexual because he isn't usually ever

0:46:40.440 --> 0:46:46.080
<v Speaker 1>given a romantic interest in the movies. So, like, you know, whatever, director, producer,

0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:48.440
<v Speaker 1>writer was like, well, we still have to have you know,

0:46:48.560 --> 0:46:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Tom Cruise fondling a woman on the screener. Who's gonna

0:46:51.560 --> 0:46:53.719
<v Speaker 1>want to see this? Right? He's like, I have to

0:46:53.840 --> 0:46:57.680
<v Speaker 1>prove that I am a man who likes girls and

0:46:57.760 --> 0:47:01.640
<v Speaker 1>everyone needs to see Yeah, yeah, I don't. His vibe

0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:04.120
<v Speaker 1>is so creepy, and and not just this movie, like

0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:07.240
<v Speaker 1>Top Gun, a lot of things from this era. In particular,

0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:11.040
<v Speaker 1>he the way he deals with women is like very intense.

0:47:11.200 --> 0:47:14.839
<v Speaker 1>To me, it just seems really creepy. And watching this movie,

0:47:14.920 --> 0:47:17.759
<v Speaker 1>I started developing a fan theory that he's just like

0:47:17.920 --> 0:47:20.080
<v Speaker 1>two teenagers in a long coat or something and he

0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:23.640
<v Speaker 1>doesn't know what to do, so he's doing bad things.

0:47:23.760 --> 0:47:27.759
<v Speaker 1>And he's five four, he's one teenage And it is

0:47:27.840 --> 0:47:34.640
<v Speaker 1>wild how just like such intense, insecure masculine energy is

0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:39.719
<v Speaker 1>broadcast to the largest possible audience. It is fascinating. Sociologically,

0:47:39.760 --> 0:47:42.760
<v Speaker 1>Tom Cruise's career is fascinated because you're like, he's so

0:47:42.840 --> 0:47:49.000
<v Speaker 1>insecure about whatever. Who knows, He won't tell us, but

0:47:49.000 --> 0:47:51.239
<v Speaker 1>but we all have to. We all have to watch it.

0:47:51.760 --> 0:47:54.920
<v Speaker 1>And I love it. And he's always running. Have you

0:47:54.960 --> 0:47:59.480
<v Speaker 1>seen the supercut of him running? Though? There's an eighteen

0:47:59.520 --> 0:48:03.920
<v Speaker 1>minute video just of someone took all the scenes in

0:48:03.960 --> 0:48:07.080
<v Speaker 1>every movie has ever been in of him running. It's

0:48:07.200 --> 0:48:14.479
<v Speaker 1>eighteen minutes long and it's actually amazing. Wow, there's five

0:48:14.560 --> 0:48:19.560
<v Speaker 1>minutes of Tom Cruise running in two thousand eighteen alone. Wild. Yeah,

0:48:19.600 --> 0:48:21.600
<v Speaker 1>you can watch it like one of those Christmas log videos,

0:48:21.600 --> 0:48:23.840
<v Speaker 1>like it's just the same thing endlessly. It's kind of

0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:30.680
<v Speaker 1>calming after party. A few of the other trends I noticed,

0:48:30.880 --> 0:48:34.600
<v Speaker 1>um is that there's often violence against both men and

0:48:34.680 --> 0:48:38.920
<v Speaker 1>women in these movies. But often when a woman is

0:48:39.000 --> 0:48:42.840
<v Speaker 1>killed it's because she's been like captured and tied up

0:48:43.120 --> 0:48:45.600
<v Speaker 1>and you know, murdered in cold blood kind of thing,

0:48:45.760 --> 0:48:48.640
<v Speaker 1>whereas when men die, it's usually because they're like in

0:48:48.719 --> 0:48:51.840
<v Speaker 1>combat and they're like fighting for themselves. There are a

0:48:51.920 --> 0:48:55.960
<v Speaker 1>few exceptions where there's different agents who are like kicking

0:48:56.040 --> 0:48:59.160
<v Speaker 1>acid fighting. In fact, there's one scene and I think

0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:02.680
<v Speaker 1>it's it's either it goes protocol or rogue nation. But um,

0:49:02.719 --> 0:49:04.759
<v Speaker 1>there's a woman who's like fighting a room full of

0:49:04.800 --> 0:49:07.640
<v Speaker 1>bad guys and like Tom Choose is tied up so

0:49:07.680 --> 0:49:09.640
<v Speaker 1>like he can't help right away, so it's like her

0:49:09.960 --> 0:49:15.640
<v Speaker 1>like kicking ass. Yeah yeah, and she has to like

0:49:15.800 --> 0:49:18.360
<v Speaker 1>save him and help him. Um. So every once in

0:49:18.360 --> 0:49:20.839
<v Speaker 1>a while there will be like a role reversal like that,

0:49:20.960 --> 0:49:24.399
<v Speaker 1>But for the most part, in these movies, women are

0:49:24.960 --> 0:49:29.840
<v Speaker 1>sexualized in some way very needlessly. They are often dams old.

0:49:30.160 --> 0:49:33.120
<v Speaker 1>There are a few, you know, characters who come and

0:49:33.160 --> 0:49:34.960
<v Speaker 1>go who are like, oh, yeah, she's pretty cool, she's

0:49:34.960 --> 0:49:38.760
<v Speaker 1>a badass, but she of course isn't given a personality

0:49:38.880 --> 0:49:42.600
<v Speaker 1>or anything like that. But so yeah, the treatment over

0:49:42.760 --> 0:49:49.360
<v Speaker 1>the span of this franchise of women is peculiar because

0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:53.879
<v Speaker 1>they don't just entirely because some you know, action franchises,

0:49:53.880 --> 0:49:56.360
<v Speaker 1>the women will just be damns old and she can't

0:49:56.400 --> 0:49:59.080
<v Speaker 1>fight for herself, she can't do anything. Um, she's given

0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:02.120
<v Speaker 1>no skills, no part salting, anything like that. And these movies,

0:50:02.160 --> 0:50:05.359
<v Speaker 1>at least there are like women agents who are like

0:50:05.880 --> 0:50:08.560
<v Speaker 1>fighting and like doing cool stuff, and some of them

0:50:08.560 --> 0:50:10.560
<v Speaker 1>are hacking even and some of them are like, you know,

0:50:10.600 --> 0:50:12.680
<v Speaker 1>doing this and that. But the first, like in the

0:50:12.719 --> 0:50:16.759
<v Speaker 1>first movie, at least, it seems like Tom Cruise and

0:50:16.880 --> 0:50:19.759
<v Speaker 1>John Boy respect the women they're working with, don't call

0:50:19.800 --> 0:50:23.839
<v Speaker 1>their qualifications into question, which is a low bar to set.

0:50:24.400 --> 0:50:26.840
<v Speaker 1>But in most movies like this, you know, you'd have

0:50:26.920 --> 0:50:29.640
<v Speaker 1>that moment of like, can she really do her job

0:50:29.760 --> 0:50:32.160
<v Speaker 1>and be so very hot, and then she has to

0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:36.000
<v Speaker 1>prove it. There aren't those proving moments in this, in

0:50:36.040 --> 0:50:38.640
<v Speaker 1>the first movie at least, but it's still it's like

0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:44.000
<v Speaker 1>they treat women like neutral to light negative and and

0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:46.960
<v Speaker 1>I think do what a lot of these movies do

0:50:47.080 --> 0:50:49.399
<v Speaker 1>and what the vast majority movies do, which is kind

0:50:49.400 --> 0:50:52.840
<v Speaker 1>of just like forget about its female characters for large

0:50:52.880 --> 0:50:54.920
<v Speaker 1>swaths of the movie and then go back to them

0:50:54.960 --> 0:50:58.000
<v Speaker 1>when they need something sexy to happen. But there's not

0:50:58.040 --> 0:51:02.240
<v Speaker 1>really any character motivated sense that we ever cut to Claire.

0:51:02.400 --> 0:51:05.359
<v Speaker 1>It always has to be like, oh, a sexy thing

0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:08.520
<v Speaker 1>needs to happen, or John Voight is going to enter

0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:12.680
<v Speaker 1>the room soon, like those are mostly hercus and so

0:51:12.760 --> 0:51:17.520
<v Speaker 1>it's just like, I mean, I can't believe that Tom

0:51:17.560 --> 0:51:21.160
<v Speaker 1>Cruise can't write a female character. I can't believe it.

0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:24.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, is he writing these at all? Is he?

0:51:24.120 --> 0:51:27.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure he's probably like the character to do this movie,

0:51:28.000 --> 0:51:31.200
<v Speaker 1>this thing in this movie, but like the fifth one,

0:51:31.200 --> 0:51:34.080
<v Speaker 1>in the upcoming sixth one, the director is his like

0:51:34.160 --> 0:51:37.799
<v Speaker 1>previous script doctor on these, it's Christopher mcquarie, So I

0:51:37.800 --> 0:51:39.640
<v Speaker 1>think he. I think he does the Will Smith thing

0:51:39.640 --> 0:51:41.640
<v Speaker 1>where he has a script guy that he puts in,

0:51:41.800 --> 0:51:44.200
<v Speaker 1>so he's not like writing writing it, but he's telling

0:51:44.200 --> 0:51:46.759
<v Speaker 1>someone what the type kind of right, all they said

0:51:47.040 --> 0:51:51.120
<v Speaker 1>this is a fun movie that does not treat women.

0:51:51.160 --> 0:51:54.120
<v Speaker 1>It's like it doesn't treat women well, it doesn't really

0:51:54.160 --> 0:51:59.160
<v Speaker 1>treat women at all. It is a very non sexual

0:51:59.360 --> 0:52:03.759
<v Speaker 1>action movie movie, which is unusual because I feel like

0:52:03.800 --> 0:52:06.680
<v Speaker 1>actual movies so often tip into outright misogyny. This one

0:52:06.719 --> 0:52:09.360
<v Speaker 1>doesn't because it just doesn't. Is like, this movie doesn't

0:52:09.400 --> 0:52:11.879
<v Speaker 1>know how to talk to girls. Like literally, this as

0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:14.640
<v Speaker 1>a text does not know how to talk to girls

0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:17.160
<v Speaker 1>and largely doesn't. Yeah, it's in like the corner of

0:52:17.160 --> 0:52:19.279
<v Speaker 1>a middle school dance. It's just like, what do I

0:52:19.400 --> 0:52:22.840
<v Speaker 1>do all the time? I worked so hard on my outfit,

0:52:23.000 --> 0:52:26.640
<v Speaker 1>but I don't know how to talk to anybody. But

0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:30.319
<v Speaker 1>that said, because it just is like kind of awkward

0:52:30.520 --> 0:52:33.200
<v Speaker 1>and the way it treats its characters a lot of

0:52:33.200 --> 0:52:36.400
<v Speaker 1>the time, I still was able to enjoy it. I

0:52:36.400 --> 0:52:38.640
<v Speaker 1>don't know, Like I I was like, this movie makes

0:52:38.640 --> 0:52:40.880
<v Speaker 1>no sense. You have to be a literal genius to

0:52:40.960 --> 0:52:46.839
<v Speaker 1>understand what's going on here. That's not The story is

0:52:46.840 --> 0:52:50.960
<v Speaker 1>not well written, and like, why would a arms dealer

0:52:51.400 --> 0:52:55.760
<v Speaker 1>want a knock list of spies? Like that just doesn't

0:52:55.800 --> 0:52:59.360
<v Speaker 1>make a whole lot of sense. Her job to figure

0:52:59.400 --> 0:53:02.160
<v Speaker 1>out she would need it at all? Right? Is she

0:53:02.239 --> 0:53:04.360
<v Speaker 1>an arms steeler and a list dealer? Like she's just

0:53:04.400 --> 0:53:07.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna flip it. I don't give it. And then why

0:53:09.000 --> 0:53:13.080
<v Speaker 1>why would Ethan Hunt whose job is a spy and

0:53:13.280 --> 0:53:15.600
<v Speaker 1>a huge part of being a spy is to not

0:53:15.880 --> 0:53:19.279
<v Speaker 1>let other people know that you're a spy. Why would

0:53:21.719 --> 0:53:25.960
<v Speaker 1>Max that he's a spy. That's a classic Bond move

0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:28.040
<v Speaker 1>to He just like goes into a casino and they're like,

0:53:28.080 --> 0:53:29.920
<v Speaker 1>you need to do some detective work here, and he

0:53:29.960 --> 0:53:32.280
<v Speaker 1>just walks up to people and he's like, I'm James Bond,

0:53:32.320 --> 0:53:36.680
<v Speaker 1>where's the villain? It's great, it's really fun, like, oh, sure, okay,

0:53:36.719 --> 0:53:39.399
<v Speaker 1>I guess we're just going full dummy on this, right.

0:53:39.760 --> 0:53:42.400
<v Speaker 1>So it's not that you need to be a genius

0:53:42.440 --> 0:53:45.880
<v Speaker 1>to understand this movie. It's that this story, i would argue,

0:53:46.080 --> 0:53:50.120
<v Speaker 1>is not clear or that well written. But the John

0:53:50.200 --> 0:53:53.880
<v Speaker 1>Voight mask rip really does make it worth the time.

0:53:54.160 --> 0:53:57.640
<v Speaker 1>The mask reveals, especially as the franchise goes on, are

0:53:58.200 --> 0:54:01.120
<v Speaker 1>very fun. You're like, this person that I thought was

0:54:01.200 --> 0:54:04.879
<v Speaker 1>Philip Seymour halfman is actually is that one elf? Oh

0:54:04.960 --> 0:54:12.120
<v Speaker 1>my god, then you got me again, which every time

0:54:12.160 --> 0:54:18.560
<v Speaker 1>that happened, someone went Ethan, come on, you're so crazy.

0:54:20.000 --> 0:54:23.440
<v Speaker 1>You get these maths if someone photoshops mission and Parmesan

0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:28.040
<v Speaker 1>do it to us now. I feel like you've been

0:54:28.080 --> 0:54:31.319
<v Speaker 1>holding that in for an hour. The five seconds I

0:54:31.320 --> 0:54:35.080
<v Speaker 1>thought of it and then said it was real heard them,

0:54:36.280 --> 0:54:39.840
<v Speaker 1>Oh boy? Um, does anyone have any other thoughts about

0:54:39.880 --> 0:54:42.920
<v Speaker 1>the movie? Oh real quick? I actually wanted to talk

0:54:42.920 --> 0:54:47.480
<v Speaker 1>about the character of Max who So before we see

0:54:47.680 --> 0:54:50.319
<v Speaker 1>we meet Max on screen, Max has talked about a

0:54:50.360 --> 0:54:53.120
<v Speaker 1>lot and the pronouns that are used are he because

0:54:53.120 --> 0:54:55.400
<v Speaker 1>everyone assumes that Max the arm Dealer is a he.

0:54:55.840 --> 0:54:58.399
<v Speaker 1>And then there's a big reveal that whenever we meet

0:54:58.400 --> 0:55:02.200
<v Speaker 1>Max on screen, it's actually a woman, which we've covered

0:55:02.480 --> 0:55:05.319
<v Speaker 1>here and there on the podcast before, where it's I

0:55:05.320 --> 0:55:07.879
<v Speaker 1>don't know how commonly recurring this trope is, but it's

0:55:07.920 --> 0:55:11.239
<v Speaker 1>definitely a trope where you know a character who you

0:55:11.360 --> 0:55:15.279
<v Speaker 1>thought was a man surprised either they take off their

0:55:15.360 --> 0:55:18.960
<v Speaker 1>mask or they take off their helmet or whatever, or

0:55:19.080 --> 0:55:22.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, we just meet them and it's actually a woman.

0:55:23.800 --> 0:55:26.919
<v Speaker 1>It bothers me that like someone's gender is like used

0:55:26.920 --> 0:55:31.160
<v Speaker 1>as a big surprising reveal, but it also might be

0:55:31.320 --> 0:55:35.200
<v Speaker 1>like providing commentary on how gender normative everyone is, where

0:55:35.200 --> 0:55:38.840
<v Speaker 1>it's like, oh, this person who's a an armstealer or

0:55:39.239 --> 0:55:44.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, driving a motorcycle, or a doctor who you

0:55:44.320 --> 0:55:47.040
<v Speaker 1>think might be a man just kidding. A woman can

0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:50.040
<v Speaker 1>be those things too. It's a shitty reveal, and it's

0:55:50.080 --> 0:55:53.439
<v Speaker 1>recycled over and over and over. I feel like most

0:55:53.480 --> 0:55:56.120
<v Speaker 1>commonly in a movie like this, but sometimes it's kind

0:55:56.160 --> 0:55:59.520
<v Speaker 1>of crosses genres as well. Yeah, yeah, And I don't

0:55:59.560 --> 0:56:02.160
<v Speaker 1>know how there is to talk about her character aside

0:56:02.200 --> 0:56:05.920
<v Speaker 1>from that, because she's just sort of there being a

0:56:05.960 --> 0:56:09.920
<v Speaker 1>plot device. Essentially, she's pretty much given no characterization. And

0:56:09.960 --> 0:56:13.280
<v Speaker 1>also what she doesn't makes no sense because again, she's

0:56:13.280 --> 0:56:16.600
<v Speaker 1>an arm stealer. I don't understand what her situation is.

0:56:16.640 --> 0:56:19.040
<v Speaker 1>She's just like, I think it's one of those situations.

0:56:19.080 --> 0:56:24.359
<v Speaker 1>It's it's not quite Walking and Jelie. But sorry, that's

0:56:24.360 --> 0:56:27.000
<v Speaker 1>a really highbrow reference to Christopher Walkins one scene in

0:56:27.120 --> 0:56:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Jeelie It's not quite Walking and Jeelie, where it truly

0:56:31.680 --> 0:56:34.399
<v Speaker 1>appears that the actor in question was told they would

0:56:34.440 --> 0:56:37.600
<v Speaker 1>be given an amount of money to wander on set

0:56:38.760 --> 0:56:41.080
<v Speaker 1>and just hold a cup and be like, here were

0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:44.359
<v Speaker 1>some words off the top of my head. But there

0:56:44.440 --> 0:56:46.960
<v Speaker 1>is a quality to Vanessa Redgrave's part where it's like

0:56:47.000 --> 0:56:50.080
<v Speaker 1>she's sort of just acting like herself for like, kind

0:56:50.080 --> 0:56:53.080
<v Speaker 1>of a character of herself of like a very posh,

0:56:53.200 --> 0:56:56.680
<v Speaker 1>like smart woman who isn't going to tell you everything,

0:56:56.840 --> 0:56:59.719
<v Speaker 1>you know, Like her character doesn't make a ton of sense.

0:56:59.719 --> 0:57:02.879
<v Speaker 1>I that said, I am glad she's there. I love her.

0:57:02.880 --> 0:57:05.960
<v Speaker 1>I love her. Her scenes with Tom Cruise are weirdly,

0:57:06.440 --> 0:57:09.239
<v Speaker 1>but I think it's because they're so non sexual. That's

0:57:09.239 --> 0:57:12.720
<v Speaker 1>why they're compelling. I'm just like, how does Tom Cruise

0:57:12.800 --> 0:57:15.719
<v Speaker 1>view this woman? Does he think of her? How does he?

0:57:16.120 --> 0:57:18.720
<v Speaker 1>It's very unclear. I think a more interesting movie than

0:57:18.760 --> 0:57:22.000
<v Speaker 1>this one would have been an exploration of an arm

0:57:22.040 --> 0:57:24.760
<v Speaker 1>steeler who's a woman and what that life is like,

0:57:24.760 --> 0:57:28.360
<v Speaker 1>Like is she taken seriously by her buyers and other

0:57:29.000 --> 0:57:33.880
<v Speaker 1>male arms steelers? Let's explore that, Let's unpack. Yeah, because

0:57:33.880 --> 0:57:35.960
<v Speaker 1>if she we never see her like knock anybody's heads

0:57:36.000 --> 0:57:38.880
<v Speaker 1>together anything, So clearly she did a lot of that before,

0:57:39.040 --> 0:57:41.280
<v Speaker 1>and that would have been really exciting to see, you know,

0:57:41.320 --> 0:57:44.840
<v Speaker 1>like nobody gets to that position without enforcing first you know, Yeah,

0:57:44.840 --> 0:57:48.480
<v Speaker 1>where's the origin story? Let's like it? Yeah, I mean,

0:57:48.480 --> 0:57:51.360
<v Speaker 1>but that's None of the characters here are well written

0:57:51.480 --> 0:57:56.760
<v Speaker 1>or really make any sense. So that's why I love it.

0:57:58.080 --> 0:58:02.080
<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's just a weird move. Be uh, it's

0:58:02.160 --> 0:58:05.040
<v Speaker 1>just a weird movie. Tom Cruise is a is a

0:58:05.080 --> 0:58:09.640
<v Speaker 1>weird man. I have terrific teeth. Tom Cruise is problematic

0:58:09.680 --> 0:58:13.360
<v Speaker 1>as hell, but I honestly quite enjoy him and I

0:58:13.400 --> 0:58:16.040
<v Speaker 1>like a lot of his movies. He is an actor

0:58:16.040 --> 0:58:19.640
<v Speaker 1>who leads with his teeth, which is wild. Like if

0:58:19.680 --> 0:58:24.200
<v Speaker 1>you watch Tom Cruise act, his teeth somehow our first, like,

0:58:24.280 --> 0:58:28.919
<v Speaker 1>you know, like some people lead with their hips, but

0:58:29.120 --> 0:58:34.040
<v Speaker 1>Tom he's just like going into every role tooth first.

0:58:34.600 --> 0:58:37.640
<v Speaker 1>Chances are Tom Cruise is running towards you were unning,

0:58:37.760 --> 0:58:44.160
<v Speaker 1>running somewhere teeth first shining. I think he just has

0:58:44.200 --> 0:58:47.000
<v Speaker 1>one gigantic tooth and then draws in the lines that

0:58:49.560 --> 0:58:53.120
<v Speaker 1>he's a complicated man. Look, this movie, the First Mission

0:58:53.120 --> 0:58:56.320
<v Speaker 1>Possible movie is not that great. I have never seen

0:58:56.440 --> 0:58:59.240
<v Speaker 1>any of the TV shows, so I don't really I'm

0:58:59.240 --> 0:59:03.440
<v Speaker 1>not a familiar with the source material. Kind of goofy. Yeah,

0:59:03.480 --> 0:59:06.600
<v Speaker 1>it's just I'm sure it's like can't be sixties like

0:59:06.760 --> 0:59:09.760
<v Speaker 1>super camp kind of thing. But as the movies go on,

0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:12.320
<v Speaker 1>they get better and better. I think Ghost Protocol might

0:59:12.320 --> 0:59:15.920
<v Speaker 1>be my favorite Um, I liked three enough to buy

0:59:15.960 --> 0:59:19.560
<v Speaker 1>it on DVD. Mission Possible To is objectively a bad movie,

0:59:19.800 --> 0:59:22.640
<v Speaker 1>but the rest are like pretty pretty decent, and I

0:59:22.680 --> 0:59:25.280
<v Speaker 1>think easier to understand. So, like, I think the first

0:59:25.280 --> 0:59:27.680
<v Speaker 1>one and the first two are just like what the

0:59:27.680 --> 0:59:33.120
<v Speaker 1>fund is happening in this movie, but I think they

0:59:33.120 --> 0:59:35.280
<v Speaker 1>get better as they go on. But um, yeah, so

0:59:35.760 --> 0:59:39.000
<v Speaker 1>this is a franchise I enjoy when I'm not looking

0:59:39.200 --> 0:59:42.760
<v Speaker 1>at it through the backtel cast lens. But when I

0:59:42.760 --> 0:59:46.600
<v Speaker 1>am doing that, you know, it's not hard to see

0:59:47.200 --> 0:59:50.760
<v Speaker 1>that this franchise does not treat women especially well. There

0:59:50.760 --> 0:59:55.000
<v Speaker 1>are certainly franchises that do a much worse job. There

0:59:55.040 --> 0:59:58.840
<v Speaker 1>are some that maybe do a better job. But action franchise,

0:59:59.120 --> 1:00:01.480
<v Speaker 1>you'd be hard pressed I find one that like it's

1:00:01.480 --> 1:00:05.320
<v Speaker 1>a feminist masterpiece, because I can't think of any off

1:00:05.360 --> 1:00:09.880
<v Speaker 1>the top of my head that are, well, there's the alien,

1:00:10.760 --> 1:00:14.480
<v Speaker 1>that's true. Yeah, I mean there are like good female

1:00:14.520 --> 1:00:17.000
<v Speaker 1>action here is, some of whom we've covered on this

1:00:17.080 --> 1:00:21.360
<v Speaker 1>very podcast, But as far as this particular formula goes

1:00:21.400 --> 1:00:25.320
<v Speaker 1>where it's like a male action lead, which is of them.

1:00:25.360 --> 1:00:28.520
<v Speaker 1>I'd be interested if any of our listeners could come

1:00:28.560 --> 1:00:32.560
<v Speaker 1>to us with a male action lead franchise that has

1:00:32.880 --> 1:00:36.600
<v Speaker 1>female characters that are treated well. Yeah, because certainly, like

1:00:36.920 --> 1:00:39.880
<v Speaker 1>as we discussed already, Bond does not do a good job,

1:00:41.240 --> 1:00:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Indiana Jones does not do a good job. Yeah. So yeah,

1:00:46.560 --> 1:00:50.280
<v Speaker 1>action franchises have a long history of not treating women well.

1:00:51.280 --> 1:00:54.600
<v Speaker 1>Speaking of does this movie pass the Bechtel tests? Not?

1:00:56.520 --> 1:00:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Women don't even make eye contact in this movie. It's

1:00:59.040 --> 1:01:01.680
<v Speaker 1>crazy and it really and like I wrote down, I

1:01:01.760 --> 1:01:06.000
<v Speaker 1>was like, this scene where they're all prepeping, this scene

1:01:06.000 --> 1:01:08.720
<v Speaker 1>where they are propeping, the scheme is like the seven

1:01:08.800 --> 1:01:10.760
<v Speaker 1>minute mark. I was like, they are going to have

1:01:10.800 --> 1:01:12.640
<v Speaker 1>women talk to each other. We're going to get it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they don't. And then there's never even two

1:01:14.840 --> 1:01:18.280
<v Speaker 1>women in the same room. They would really tease you

1:01:18.320 --> 1:01:22.400
<v Speaker 1>at the top, but like, uh, they don't even look

1:01:22.520 --> 1:01:25.320
<v Speaker 1>at each other. I went back and rewatched the scene,

1:01:25.560 --> 1:01:31.040
<v Speaker 1>partially to check out Amelia's tips, but mostly to see

1:01:31.040 --> 1:01:34.080
<v Speaker 1>if women even look. They don't even look at each other.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no acknowledgement. It's mostly Tom Cruise being like, can

1:01:37.600 --> 1:01:43.120
<v Speaker 1>we get a capucio machine? My name is I want

1:01:43.200 --> 1:01:46.280
<v Speaker 1>to better coffee? Didn't I have? And then and then

1:01:46.720 --> 1:01:50.160
<v Speaker 1>John Voyd's like, yeah, my wife made that coffee and

1:01:50.240 --> 1:01:53.360
<v Speaker 1>then she's like I made that coffee end of scene. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Because if people haven't seen this movie at a while,

1:01:55.400 --> 1:01:58.680
<v Speaker 1>it's like Tom Cruise trying to do what he thinks

1:01:58.760 --> 1:02:01.440
<v Speaker 1>adults do at work when they choke around. It is

1:02:01.600 --> 1:02:05.960
<v Speaker 1>really really weird or grown up. It's really like he

1:02:06.160 --> 1:02:08.400
<v Speaker 1>like flipped through some Dilbert and was like, this is

1:02:08.480 --> 1:02:11.920
<v Speaker 1>probably it. Yeah, they talk about cappuccino a boss a

1:02:12.120 --> 1:02:18.960
<v Speaker 1>roof good enough for me. My name is Ethan. So

1:02:19.400 --> 1:02:23.439
<v Speaker 1>let us rate the movie on our nipple scale, where

1:02:23.480 --> 1:02:25.760
<v Speaker 1>we rate the movie based on its portrayal of women

1:02:26.080 --> 1:02:28.880
<v Speaker 1>zero to five nipples. I'm going to have to give

1:02:28.920 --> 1:02:33.560
<v Speaker 1>this one, I think, like a one, And maybe that's

1:02:33.560 --> 1:02:36.600
<v Speaker 1>even being too generous. Like I had such high hopes

1:02:36.920 --> 1:02:40.240
<v Speaker 1>starting out because I was like, oh, three of the

1:02:40.320 --> 1:02:42.760
<v Speaker 1>six people on this team of spies or women, like

1:02:43.000 --> 1:02:46.080
<v Speaker 1>is this gonna be dope? And then they pretty much

1:02:46.120 --> 1:02:50.360
<v Speaker 1>all instantly get murdered. So it's not the feminist text

1:02:50.440 --> 1:02:53.160
<v Speaker 1>that we were all hoping for. The women who do

1:02:53.360 --> 1:02:58.440
<v Speaker 1>survive and don't get murdered, yeah, their motivations are not

1:02:58.920 --> 1:03:03.560
<v Speaker 1>totally clear or they are attached to a man. They

1:03:03.800 --> 1:03:07.480
<v Speaker 1>aren't really given much cool to do on screen, Like

1:03:07.560 --> 1:03:10.480
<v Speaker 1>we already talked about Claire, like when they're like going

1:03:10.560 --> 1:03:13.440
<v Speaker 1>in to steal the Knocklist, she just has to like

1:03:13.680 --> 1:03:17.120
<v Speaker 1>look cute in a red dress and poison a guy

1:03:17.960 --> 1:03:19.480
<v Speaker 1>and that's like pretty much all she gets to do.

1:03:19.880 --> 1:03:23.280
<v Speaker 1>And other than that, Yeah, she's either like groped by

1:03:23.720 --> 1:03:26.960
<v Speaker 1>Tom Cruise or screamed at or she gets shot by

1:03:27.000 --> 1:03:31.200
<v Speaker 1>her husband, So still makes sense that would happen. And

1:03:31.280 --> 1:03:35.160
<v Speaker 1>then with Max, like, I don't understand why she's in

1:03:35.240 --> 1:03:39.280
<v Speaker 1>the movie, or why an armstealer would want this list,

1:03:39.480 --> 1:03:42.000
<v Speaker 1>and why it's just none none of that makes any

1:03:42.080 --> 1:03:45.200
<v Speaker 1>sense to me. So yeah, the women who are in

1:03:45.280 --> 1:03:48.960
<v Speaker 1>the movie pretty much don't make a whole lot of sense.

1:03:49.520 --> 1:03:52.680
<v Speaker 1>And overall the movie just does not treat women well.

1:03:52.800 --> 1:03:56.280
<v Speaker 1>The franchise does not treat women especially well. We are

1:03:56.320 --> 1:04:00.480
<v Speaker 1>not surprised by that. But maybe Mission Possible fall we'll

1:04:00.600 --> 1:04:03.920
<v Speaker 1>do a better job. Yeah, I wonder how the Mission

1:04:03.960 --> 1:04:07.440
<v Speaker 1>Impossible franchise is going to tackle the me Too movement

1:04:08.200 --> 1:04:13.200
<v Speaker 1>that that's really the text to her waiting for Also, um,

1:04:13.800 --> 1:04:17.120
<v Speaker 1>as we often come across, this is an extremely white movie,

1:04:17.520 --> 1:04:20.959
<v Speaker 1>you know, very hetero everything like that. Um In fact

1:04:21.200 --> 1:04:24.200
<v Speaker 1>that I had to watch the first scene when they're

1:04:24.360 --> 1:04:27.480
<v Speaker 1>introducing all the members of the team. I had to

1:04:27.720 --> 1:04:29.960
<v Speaker 1>watch that like three times because I was like, okay, wait,

1:04:30.080 --> 1:04:32.160
<v Speaker 1>which woman is Sarah and which one is Claire and

1:04:32.280 --> 1:04:34.720
<v Speaker 1>which one is Hand? Because they're all three white women

1:04:34.840 --> 1:04:37.600
<v Speaker 1>who look very similar. They all have the same hairstyle.

1:04:37.760 --> 1:04:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Who gave them all the same hairstyle? I had no

1:04:41.000 --> 1:04:44.000
<v Speaker 1>idea who was who and until two of them died

1:04:44.040 --> 1:04:46.000
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, Okay, this one's named Claire and

1:04:46.120 --> 1:04:50.160
<v Speaker 1>she's still alive, and Okay, Like I don't know, maybe

1:04:50.280 --> 1:04:53.200
<v Speaker 1>put some diversity name movies and you wouldn't have to

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<v Speaker 1>tell so many fucking white people apart anyway. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go down to a half nipple, and the half

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<v Speaker 1>nipple I will give to Max because I like that actor.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I'm gonna give it one. And and this

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<v Speaker 1>is almost an unfair yardstick to be using, but put

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<v Speaker 1>against comparable series, it does not abuse women to the

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<v Speaker 1>same extent that most franchises in this genre that are

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<v Speaker 1>equally successful. But such a low bar. But but I

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<v Speaker 1>think that that is worth noting as it pertains to

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<v Speaker 1>this movie because it does like it does make a

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<v Speaker 1>difference in the way you you view the movie. That said,

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<v Speaker 1>this movie just like doesn't know how to talk to girls. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The groping is absolutely unnecessary. The way that that character

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<v Speaker 1>is spoken for while she's in the room and then

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<v Speaker 1>killed in the last scene is like borderline ridiculous because

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't make sense. Uh. So, not only is it

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<v Speaker 1>not based in reality from a gendered standpoint, it is

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<v Speaker 1>also very bleak. Um. Yeah, I mean, I think of

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<v Speaker 1>the few merits this movie has, it's nice to at

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<v Speaker 1>least see female characters in an action series whose skills

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<v Speaker 1>aren't constantly called into question. I think part of the

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<v Speaker 1>reason that is, though, is because they're not given that

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<v Speaker 1>much to do and or they are all killed at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of the movie, which again, yeah, that first

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<v Speaker 1>scene is just like so frustrating because it's like, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got almost a movie here, and then we I think, Alex,

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<v Speaker 1>you're totally on the right track with being like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>there there's gendertive parody at the beginning, so you can

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<v Speaker 1>see a lot of women die and have emotional steaks

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<v Speaker 1>attached to that. So it's it's weird like this there's

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<v Speaker 1>just like a weird Uncanny Valley quality to the way

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<v Speaker 1>this movie deals with gender because I don't think it

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<v Speaker 1>knows how because Tom Cruise is involved. Um So I'll

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<v Speaker 1>give it, you know, I'll give it one nipple for

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<v Speaker 1>the women that are there. None of the characters make sense,

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<v Speaker 1>but the female characters in this movie don't makes sense

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<v Speaker 1>and don't have any existence outside of the male characters

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<v Speaker 1>that also make no sense. Uh. So I'll give one nipple,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'll give it to Alfred Molina because I think

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<v Speaker 1>that he really could have shown up in this movie

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<v Speaker 1>in almost any part, uh in an effective way. I

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<v Speaker 1>would love not to, you know, but if Amelia really

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<v Speaker 1>didn't want to be credited in in this movie, Freddie

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<v Speaker 1>would have taken the credit. He would have taken the credit.

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<v Speaker 1>He would have hacked the main frame. We don't get

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<v Speaker 1>to see thick Hackers a lot, and that would have

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<v Speaker 1>been an interesting move. So there you go. So Alfred

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<v Speaker 1>gets mine. I was much a franchise called thick Hackersick Hackers.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like kind of my type. Yeah, that's I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you both nailed it. I yeah, I would give it,

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<v Speaker 1>I think one whole nipple because yeah, it doesn't go

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<v Speaker 1>as overboard with brutality toward women as a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>action movies. Like we said, incredibly low bar. But also

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<v Speaker 1>it does a lot of things wrong too, and especially

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<v Speaker 1>like this was the least I've ever liked it watching it,

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<v Speaker 1>because I was thinking, oh, this was maybe much more

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<v Speaker 1>feminist than I remembered, And then it's super isn't all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden Like it's just a sudden hard left turn. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I think if Tom Cruise could have gone and like

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<v Speaker 1>just been on an island by himself and made whatever

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<v Speaker 1>movie he'd want to make, it would be this movie

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<v Speaker 1>with absolutely no women in it, Like there are only

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<v Speaker 1>women in the film because he knows that's like a

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<v Speaker 1>consideration that the rest of human civilization and the species wants,

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<v Speaker 1>and otherwise it would just be boys hanging out and

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<v Speaker 1>that I can't wait for that franchise. Yeah, we can

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<v Speaker 1>rename maybe of movie franchises to boys hanging out there

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes boys hanging out with guns. Yeah. Well, Alex, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you so much for being here. Was great course. Um,

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