1
00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:03,840
Speaker 1: On the Bedel Cast, the questions asked if movies have

2
00:00:04,000 --> 00:00:07,880
Speaker 1: women in um, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,

3
00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:13,000
Speaker 1: or do they have individualism the patriarchy? Zef invest start

4
00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:17,000
Speaker 1: changing it with the Beckdel Cast. Hello and welcome to

5
00:00:17,000 --> 00:00:19,120
Speaker 1: the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin Dronte. My name

6
00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,560
Speaker 1: is Jamie Loftus, and we host a podcast about the

7
00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:24,160
Speaker 1: portrayal of women in movies. We sure do. I can't

8
00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:25,960
Speaker 1: really see you. I know this is weird. There's a

9
00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:27,760
Speaker 1: bunch of mikes in the way. Here, here we go.

10
00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:34,519
Speaker 1: This is better, hie. So we talk about the representation

11
00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,760
Speaker 1: of women in film and how it's usually bad. Yes,

12
00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,040
Speaker 1: that's our go to. We use the Bechtel test as

13
00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,960
Speaker 1: a jumping out point for discussion, test created by cartoonist

14
00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:50,760
Speaker 1: Alison Bechdel in the nineteen eighties that features a Hey,

15
00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:53,520
Speaker 1: what what is it? Do you want me to see it? Yeah?

16
00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:58,600
Speaker 1: I forget. The Bechtel test requires that a movie, let's say,

17
00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,720
Speaker 1: has to mainly identifying characters in it with names. Yes,

18
00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,280
Speaker 1: they have to speak to each other and guess what

19
00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,399
Speaker 1: they should not be talking about? Men? Can we can

20
00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,960
Speaker 1: we test drive it right now? Please? Yes, Hey Caitlin,

21
00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,000
Speaker 1: Hey Jamie, what's up. There's something about the movie we're

22
00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,320
Speaker 1: discussing today that I found very distracting. What is it?

23
00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:22,160
Speaker 1: The bone structure of the lead actress was? It was

24
00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,720
Speaker 1: too Does it pass the Victel test if I'm a

25
00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:29,840
Speaker 1: hot woman's face? But I do like, okay, the main

26
00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:33,000
Speaker 1: act who is even the main actress in this in

27
00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,440
Speaker 1: this film we're discussing today, because it looks like her

28
00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:40,720
Speaker 1: bones were stung by bees her like her her cheekbones

29
00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,280
Speaker 1: are so out of her face. I believe you're talking

30
00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:48,040
Speaker 1: about the character Claire played by Emmanuel I don't know

31
00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,840
Speaker 1: what this last name is. Anyways, that did pass. It did,

32
00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,720
Speaker 1: But again, I don't know why we're judging a woman

33
00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,960
Speaker 1: by her looks or even talking about it. That's I mean.

34
00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:01,200
Speaker 1: But but her her bones gets stung by bees, and

35
00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,360
Speaker 1: I wanted to raise awareness someone get helped for Emmanuel

36
00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:10,919
Speaker 1: built get the bees away from her. Yeah. Anyway, so, um,

37
00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,840
Speaker 1: usually we don't body shame women on the podcast I

38
00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,040
Speaker 1: was doing. I was doing that to prove that the

39
00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,680
Speaker 1: Bechtel test is actually flawed. True, Wow, Jamie, Yeah, there

40
00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:25,320
Speaker 1: was a method. It's not a perfect system. The stakes

41
00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:27,520
Speaker 1: are made, which is why we always have a larger

42
00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,560
Speaker 1: conversation about just the treatment of women in general in

43
00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:36,399
Speaker 1: the movie. So we are talking about Mission Impossible, and

44
00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,760
Speaker 1: we have a guest here with us as always. He

45
00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:44,079
Speaker 1: is a comedian, a writer, and host of the Cracked podcast,

46
00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,239
Speaker 1: Alex Schmidt. Hey, great to be here. Hi, thanks for

47
00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,960
Speaker 1: I'm so glad to be doing this. I got to

48
00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:54,160
Speaker 1: go back to the nineties by watching the movie. It's great,

49
00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:57,720
Speaker 1: feel good. So what is your history with Mission Impossible,

50
00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,680
Speaker 1: the movie, the franchise. I'm some who grew up on

51
00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,040
Speaker 1: a lot of James Bond movies. My grandma worked at

52
00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:06,880
Speaker 1: our local library and they had only very specific things

53
00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:09,240
Speaker 1: on VHS, and one of them was the entire James

54
00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,280
Speaker 1: Bond franchise, and so I saw all of them when

55
00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:14,360
Speaker 1: I was really really young, and then I just needed

56
00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,040
Speaker 1: more movies along those lines, and so I got into

57
00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,560
Speaker 1: the Mission Impossible franchise, Like it's kind of I feel

58
00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:21,680
Speaker 1: like it's kind of a filler place holder for when

59
00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,760
Speaker 1: you're out of James Bond movies. You can watch Tom Cruise. Yeah,

60
00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:29,560
Speaker 1: it's kind of diet James Bond. If James Bond were

61
00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:36,080
Speaker 1: American and way Shorter, Welcome to Mission Impossible. And then

62
00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,280
Speaker 1: I feel like, when you're out of Mission Impossible movies,

63
00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,040
Speaker 1: you're like, let's see what Jason Bourne is doing. And

64
00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:43,400
Speaker 1: then when you're out of Jason Bourne, you're like, because

65
00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,040
Speaker 1: Matt Damon's not even fun to watch at least Tom

66
00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,840
Speaker 1: Cruise is fun to watch, yeah, when I was, and

67
00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,800
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise and Matt Damon are both way bigger stars

68
00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,040
Speaker 1: than basically everyone who's played James Bond except maybe Sean Connery.

69
00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,200
Speaker 1: But like, it's just a much more interesting character somehow,

70
00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:01,360
Speaker 1: James Bond, Like I feel like, specially Ethan hunt is

71
00:04:01,480 --> 00:04:06,120
Speaker 1: so he's like a robot name Ethan. I'm just like

72
00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:10,000
Speaker 1: I dare like there, I'm only going to sympathize or

73
00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,360
Speaker 1: feel for a character named Ethan to a point. There's

74
00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:17,919
Speaker 1: just you've got to be a really stellar Ethan for

75
00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,200
Speaker 1: me to go to the extra mile for you. Right,

76
00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,919
Speaker 1: they can't have a super secret agent named Brandon. You know,

77
00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:26,800
Speaker 1: I'm not on brand, Like I'm out immediately. Man. People

78
00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:28,599
Speaker 1: are gonna listen to this podcast in ten years and

79
00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,880
Speaker 1: be like, what's wrong with Ethan Ethan as our president?

80
00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,520
Speaker 1: What if we had a president Ethan that's what I'm saying.

81
00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,120
Speaker 1: It would be confusing. Sure, Yes, I don't know how

82
00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,880
Speaker 1: the Canadians adjusted to a Justin right. Having a manager

83
00:04:41,960 --> 00:04:46,800
Speaker 1: Justin in charge just feels like is he ready? Regardless

84
00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,599
Speaker 1: of how qualified he is, his name's Justin, so is

85
00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:56,000
Speaker 1: he ready? I don't know. He sounds like he's fourteen. Yeah,

86
00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,839
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. Anyways, Anyway, so you grew up,

87
00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,320
Speaker 1: would you say, with the way into spy movies. Yeah,

88
00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure I didn't see this one in theaters

89
00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:06,280
Speaker 1: because it came out ninety six, so it didn't quite

90
00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:08,440
Speaker 1: line up. But I'm pretty sure I saw the rest

91
00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,000
Speaker 1: of them in theaters and also needed to google all

92
00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:14,919
Speaker 1: of them to remember the plots or what happens. Well,

93
00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,920
Speaker 1: not to brag, but in preparation for this episode, she

94
00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,440
Speaker 1: went full DOWNNY I went, I went like deep Cover

95
00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,800
Speaker 1: into Mission Impossible. You were in the main frame. I

96
00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,040
Speaker 1: hacked into the main frame. I'm now a member of

97
00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,280
Speaker 1: the I m F. I'm so excited of like how

98
00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,320
Speaker 1: much we get to talk about hacking today? Can I

99
00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,400
Speaker 1: just say I'm so thrilled so much? Also, the I

100
00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,360
Speaker 1: m F, I think in real life is some kind

101
00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:44,279
Speaker 1: of World Bank sort of thing. It's very distracting every

102
00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:45,880
Speaker 1: time they say it in the movie. Yeah, I think

103
00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:47,760
Speaker 1: they're going to do loans or something. I don't remember

104
00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:51,559
Speaker 1: that actually being the name of their organization in the movies. Okay,

105
00:05:51,560 --> 00:05:54,200
Speaker 1: so my history is that I well, I just rewatched

106
00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:58,840
Speaker 1: all five of them within the span of forty eight hours. Brag. Yeah,

107
00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:04,680
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry or proud. Okay. I like this franchise, Um,

108
00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,719
Speaker 1: it's why. Yeah, I have fun with it. I don't

109
00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,560
Speaker 1: love it. I don't think they're cinematic masterpieces, but especially

110
00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:11,640
Speaker 1: as they go on, I think they get better and

111
00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:16,800
Speaker 1: I enjoy like Ghost Protocol especially. I liked Ghost Protocol

112
00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:22,600
Speaker 1: is my son's name, really because that's my stripper name

113
00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:30,359
Speaker 1: and they both can be president, right en, my president.

114
00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,000
Speaker 1: But I summarily grew up with this franchise. So the

115
00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,479
Speaker 1: first one came out in nineties. I was ten, so

116
00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,479
Speaker 1: I don't think I saw it right away. I think

117
00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:41,840
Speaker 1: by I saw when I was like twelve. Um, if

118
00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,280
Speaker 1: you had asked me at that age what my favorite

119
00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,279
Speaker 1: song was, I would have told you it was the

120
00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,240
Speaker 1: Mission Impossible theme song. It's a very good theme song. Yeah,

121
00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,239
Speaker 1: it's great. It's great, like James Bond, it just works. Yeah.

122
00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:56,360
Speaker 1: And then I did see Mission Possible to in theaters

123
00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,640
Speaker 1: at a drive in movie theater in whatever year that was.

124
00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,479
Speaker 1: And if you'd ask me that year what my favorite

125
00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,520
Speaker 1: movie was, I would have told you Mission Impossible to,

126
00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,720
Speaker 1: even though that movie stinks. But then and then all

127
00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,000
Speaker 1: the other ones I saw, like in theaters, I enjoy them,

128
00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,280
Speaker 1: and I'm excited about Fallout coming out. So yeah, I

129
00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:20,600
Speaker 1: would say I have a certain soft spot for Mission Impossible. Yeah.

130
00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,000
Speaker 1: It's also it's like the Fast and Furious franchise where

131
00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:26,640
Speaker 1: it's gotten better lately to like they're on an upswing.

132
00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:28,520
Speaker 1: So with a new one coming out, I'm stoked. See

133
00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,960
Speaker 1: I tapped out at Tokyo Drift. I think I haven't

134
00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:34,520
Speaker 1: seen any of that Tokyo Drift is Wait? Is that

135
00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,720
Speaker 1: was that a joke? Ar Oh, we're talking. I just

136
00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:43,840
Speaker 1: got so confused. Can I Mission Impossible Tokyo Drift? Okay,

137
00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:46,920
Speaker 1: say something about this movie, which is that I don't

138
00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:50,239
Speaker 1: understand a thing that I felt insane watching this movie.

139
00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:54,040
Speaker 1: Because this is a movie for the public. It's not

140
00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,600
Speaker 1: supposed to be like you can't see Mission Impossible unless

141
00:07:57,600 --> 00:07:59,920
Speaker 1: you have a graduate degree, which, by the way, Kayle

142
00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,160
Speaker 1: does don't if you know that, Jamie, you know that

143
00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:04,840
Speaker 1: I hate to bring it up, so thank you so

144
00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,280
Speaker 1: much trying bringing up that. I do have a master's

145
00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,320
Speaker 1: degree in screenwriting from Boston University. But I took the

146
00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,920
Speaker 1: MENSA exam the other day failed and it's because I

147
00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:17,360
Speaker 1: don't understand what happens is. I can't make I can't

148
00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:20,080
Speaker 1: make heads or tales of what happens in this fucking movie.

149
00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,120
Speaker 1: And like I was telling you, you guys in the elevator,

150
00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:26,920
Speaker 1: like I I thought something was happening, and I was like, okay,

151
00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:28,960
Speaker 1: let me just check Wikipedia to make sure this is

152
00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,560
Speaker 1: what is actually happening. So totally different was happening. But

153
00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,760
Speaker 1: it also makes no sense to me. This movie is

154
00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:39,400
Speaker 1: for intellectuals. I'm literally too stupid to watch this movie.

155
00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:41,880
Speaker 1: It felt very bad. No, I don't think that's true.

156
00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,760
Speaker 1: I only barely understand what happens in the movie because

157
00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,440
Speaker 1: I've seen it several times. Doesn't totally make sense. But

158
00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,600
Speaker 1: so your history, Jamie, is that I wrested it this

159
00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:55,720
Speaker 1: morning and I was bad. I was like sitting so

160
00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,520
Speaker 1: like you, I didn't start watching the movie as close

161
00:08:59,720 --> 00:09:02,640
Speaker 1: to my television. As I ended, I kept getting closer

162
00:09:02,679 --> 00:09:04,440
Speaker 1: because I was just like, maybe it'll make more sense

163
00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:08,240
Speaker 1: to get physically closer to this movie. I don't I

164
00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,800
Speaker 1: don't understand what what shall I give you? The recap Jamie?

165
00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:15,719
Speaker 1: And he didn't help you understand what happens in this

166
00:09:15,800 --> 00:09:19,320
Speaker 1: wonderful movie? Yeah, I think. But all that said, I

167
00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,160
Speaker 1: think I liked it. I just don't know what happened. Sure, well, okay,

168
00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,000
Speaker 1: you're not wrong in finding this movie to be hard

169
00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:32,800
Speaker 1: to follow, because Mission Impossible is about Ethan Hunt. He

170
00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,880
Speaker 1: is a spy who works for the I m F,

171
00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:41,760
Speaker 1: which stands for the Impossible Mission Force. Is that it

172
00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:45,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know that's what it stands for. The Yeah,

173
00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,199
Speaker 1: that is what it's something like that. It's it's definitely

174
00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:53,000
Speaker 1: impossible mission something is? How do they recruit anybody? Right? Well,

175
00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:55,719
Speaker 1: I think it's somehow affiliated with the CIA, but I

176
00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:58,320
Speaker 1: also don't totally understand that because in the later movies

177
00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,560
Speaker 1: like the CIA hates the I MF, so like, who knows?

178
00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:03,800
Speaker 1: Please don't at me and tell me. I would wish

179
00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:07,600
Speaker 1: to remain ignorant of this. But anyway, okay, So Ethan

180
00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:11,200
Speaker 1: Hunt works for this like spy organization, and he and

181
00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:16,480
Speaker 1: his team of people get assigned a mission, and among

182
00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,800
Speaker 1: the team is um, Okay, well we'll get there. But

183
00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,760
Speaker 1: first it's um Jim Phelps, which is John Foye's character,

184
00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:30,560
Speaker 1: my guy named Jack, which is Amelio Estevez, and then Sarah, Hannah,

185
00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,600
Speaker 1: and Claire. So this is the team that is ginger

186
00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:37,400
Speaker 1: parody on the team exactly exactly equal in the middle.

187
00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:39,080
Speaker 1: It had been a long time since I saw this,

188
00:10:39,320 --> 00:10:42,320
Speaker 1: and since the very first person I saw was Emilio Estevez. Like,

189
00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:44,160
Speaker 1: for a second, I thought, oh, is he the lead

190
00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,520
Speaker 1: of all of these? I forgot? Did I just super

191
00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,320
Speaker 1: super forget who is the main character in the movies

192
00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,640
Speaker 1: because it's just Amilio Estevez for about a minute, which

193
00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,079
Speaker 1: feels like an eternity. I clutched a little bit when

194
00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:56,880
Speaker 1: I saw him, too, because I was like, oh, that

195
00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:01,680
Speaker 1: would be kind of better. But then you pan up

196
00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,400
Speaker 1: and you see his frosty tips, You're like, oh, he's

197
00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:07,120
Speaker 1: a hacker. Now I understand, you know what. I was

198
00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:09,040
Speaker 1: let down by the fact that he was not wearing

199
00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:12,960
Speaker 1: tiny glasses, which is kind of the hackers uniform. He

200
00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,360
Speaker 1: had the frosty tips, he didn't have the tiny glasses.

201
00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,440
Speaker 1: He did have the black turtleneck, so it's like he

202
00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:20,240
Speaker 1: was two thirds of the way there. He went a

203
00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,040
Speaker 1: little rogue by not having tiny reflective glasses. Well, people

204
00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,520
Speaker 1: go rogue in these movies all the time. Yeah, Rogue Nation.

205
00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:30,440
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, isn't that the name of one

206
00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:40,120
Speaker 1: rogue ghost ghost station um ghostwirld Uh. There is another

207
00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,280
Speaker 1: hacker who I thought you were talking about, who we

208
00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,520
Speaker 1: meet later on the second Hack, the second that's his

209
00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:49,160
Speaker 1: character's name, Hacker re Ducks. Okay, so this is the team.

210
00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,360
Speaker 1: We've barely begun the recap it doesn't make any sense.

211
00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:58,440
Speaker 1: So they are tasked with finding a bad guy who

212
00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:02,439
Speaker 1: has a list of names of spies. He has one

213
00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,160
Speaker 1: half of it already and he needs the other half

214
00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:07,360
Speaker 1: to like actually figure out the identity of the spies.

215
00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:11,079
Speaker 1: So they're gonna basically get evidence that he's trying to

216
00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,439
Speaker 1: steal it and then stop him and figure out who

217
00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,720
Speaker 1: the buyer is and stop him as well. But as

218
00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,320
Speaker 1: they're trying to do this, things start to go wrong

219
00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,120
Speaker 1: and people start to die, and everyone dies seemingly except

220
00:12:22,160 --> 00:12:26,400
Speaker 1: for ethan Um. So then he has a rotten go

221
00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:30,719
Speaker 1: ethan President Ethan Everyone we're rooting for Ethan because it's

222
00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,240
Speaker 1: hard to remember. So Ethan Hunt is the only one

223
00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,520
Speaker 1: left alive on his team. So he calls like his

224
00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,319
Speaker 1: pals at the I m F. And he's like, hey, Kittridge,

225
00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:44,400
Speaker 1: who's a superior of his He's like, something's happening. And

226
00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:47,719
Speaker 1: he meets with them, and Kittridge believes him to be

227
00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,240
Speaker 1: a mole, and he's like, this whole thing was set

228
00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:52,400
Speaker 1: up as a mole hunt, and it looks like you're

229
00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,040
Speaker 1: the mole, Ethan Hunt, and he's like, no, I'm not.

230
00:12:55,520 --> 00:13:00,240
Speaker 1: Your last name is hunting everything, maybe you would one

231
00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:05,520
Speaker 1: we're hunting for. I'm in the You're like, oh, this

232
00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,520
Speaker 1: guy is smart. Yeah. Yeah. So Ethan Hunt runs away

233
00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:10,160
Speaker 1: because he's like, I'm not the mole, but I have

234
00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:13,360
Speaker 1: to figure out who is now. So Ethan Hunt learns

235
00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:17,880
Speaker 1: about this mole who's collaborating with an arm stealer named Max,

236
00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,640
Speaker 1: so he's like, I gotta go find Max and like

237
00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,840
Speaker 1: figure out who the mole is. And there's this whole

238
00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,520
Speaker 1: thing where it's like the mole is working with Max

239
00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:30,040
Speaker 1: on this job that they call Job three fourteen, and

240
00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,520
Speaker 1: then its actually the the Mole goes by the name

241
00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:39,079
Speaker 1: job and it's a biblical reference and then he's like, okay,

242
00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,120
Speaker 1: and then he says distracting from an arrested development stands

243
00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:47,000
Speaker 1: when they shot a job all the time there and

244
00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:52,160
Speaker 1: then Ethan Hunt sends an email to Max at job

245
00:13:52,480 --> 00:14:00,440
Speaker 1: space three colon fourteen and it that works the Internet

246
00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,880
Speaker 1: in this movie. The Internet is the most compelling character

247
00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:09,120
Speaker 1: in the Entiremente has the most charisma out of everybody

248
00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:12,320
Speaker 1: doing laps around our Tom the inner the way the

249
00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,480
Speaker 1: Internet works, where there's one point where it's like there's

250
00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,080
Speaker 1: a window open that says internet and then he types

251
00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,320
Speaker 1: in access and then it says like thinking, I was like,

252
00:14:22,520 --> 00:14:28,000
Speaker 1: what is this is misunderstanding dial up? Like what it's

253
00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,920
Speaker 1: like one of those old text adventures where it's like

254
00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:32,440
Speaker 1: you're in a cave, turn left and then you like,

255
00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,520
Speaker 1: but somehow it's hacking the Internet. Both hackers talk about

256
00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:39,360
Speaker 1: the Internet in like a way that it's like whoever

257
00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:42,160
Speaker 1: wrote this movie was just hoping no one would ask

258
00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,080
Speaker 1: a follow up question because there's the second hacker. I

259
00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,480
Speaker 1: don't know what his name is because he comes in

260
00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,440
Speaker 1: over an hour into the movie. Very cool thing to do,

261
00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:56,040
Speaker 1: just introduce five hundred characters our fifteen and sure, but

262
00:14:56,120 --> 00:15:00,000
Speaker 1: the second hacker, Luther says, in the same sentence, he said,

263
00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:08,520
Speaker 1: as like mainframe motherboard hacking access. And then Tom is like, well,

264
00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,600
Speaker 1: we've got to figure this out. You've got like, what

265
00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:15,440
Speaker 1: are you talking about? I just want you to know

266
00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,520
Speaker 1: that I just send an email to Max at job

267
00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:23,560
Speaker 1: Space three colon fourteen and it did not work. An

268
00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,280
Speaker 1: error message came up right away and said this address

269
00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:32,720
Speaker 1: is not recognized. The CIA wiped them out, clean Ology

270
00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:36,200
Speaker 1: got involved. They're like, this is this was Shelley miss

271
00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,600
Speaker 1: Gavages email and it's gone. Now do you guys? Ever,

272
00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,240
Speaker 1: when I see a Tom Cruise movie, I give him

273
00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:45,359
Speaker 1: a little bit of credit for just not wedging Scientology

274
00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,320
Speaker 1: into it all the time, even though he doesn't deserve

275
00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:48,880
Speaker 1: any you know, every time I see a movie with

276
00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:51,120
Speaker 1: him and it ends, I'm like, I didn't come up once.

277
00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,360
Speaker 1: How about that? A little bit proud. There's moments where

278
00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,280
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, he could very easily just break the

279
00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:00,880
Speaker 1: fourth wall and start pitching us. He's out our attention

280
00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,600
Speaker 1: and surprised he doesn't use this platform to like hawk scientology.

281
00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,320
Speaker 1: But no, he he keeps a separation of church and

282
00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:16,520
Speaker 1: career against Yeah, alright. So the rest of the story

283
00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:20,080
Speaker 1: is so he is trying to figure out who this

284
00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,920
Speaker 1: mole is named Job. This is where I get very lost.

285
00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:29,560
Speaker 1: So he meets with Max, who turns out as a woman.

286
00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,160
Speaker 1: How many times are they going to do this twist?

287
00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:38,640
Speaker 1: The androgynous name twist. Hilarious? Love it, It's so cool.

288
00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:43,200
Speaker 1: So he meets with Max and he's like, by the way, Max,

289
00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,880
Speaker 1: who is an arm stealer? Yeah, I'm like an undercover spy,

290
00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,000
Speaker 1: and I'm going to get you that list that you wanted,

291
00:16:50,360 --> 00:16:53,680
Speaker 1: pay me a bunch of money, and revealed to me

292
00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:59,120
Speaker 1: who Job is. Vanessa right, Grave is fabulous in this part. Yeah,

293
00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,560
Speaker 1: she's great. But he basically just reveals this whole identity

294
00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:05,199
Speaker 1: to this person. And then he's like, I'll get the

295
00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,680
Speaker 1: thing that you wanted, this you know, list that will

296
00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:13,359
Speaker 1: compromise the identity of however many undercover spies, all of them,

297
00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,520
Speaker 1: all of them. Yeah, yeah, just give me like ten

298
00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,119
Speaker 1: million dollars and I'll get you this list and I

299
00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:20,679
Speaker 1: just want to know the identity of the mole. And

300
00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,240
Speaker 1: it's like that's not a good deal, but we accept

301
00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,320
Speaker 1: it because you know, we don't understand really what's happening.

302
00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,160
Speaker 1: I also can't hear the plot over the sheer volume

303
00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,359
Speaker 1: of Dutch ankles in this movie. You're just like, I can't.

304
00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:39,400
Speaker 1: I have no sense of space or time. So many

305
00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,400
Speaker 1: Vanessa Redgrave does not. I'm pretty sure, with the exception

306
00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,040
Speaker 1: of two or three shots. Never isn't in a Dutch

307
00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:49,560
Speaker 1: angle in this entire Why I don't. I didn't notice

308
00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,800
Speaker 1: that very much. This is a movie for dumb people.

309
00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:58,119
Speaker 1: There's only geniuses and stupid people will understand this movie

310
00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:05,000
Speaker 1: and appreciate people. There's nothing that's like kind of smart people. Um, okay.

311
00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:07,680
Speaker 1: So then he compiles this new team of people, among

312
00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,639
Speaker 1: them as Luther, the new hack hacker number two, and

313
00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:15,399
Speaker 1: they plan to infiltrate the CIA and steal this knocklist

314
00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:17,560
Speaker 1: of the list of all the names of the spies.

315
00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,000
Speaker 1: And then they do that, and that this is supposed

316
00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,639
Speaker 1: to be the impossible mission, because how do you get in.

317
00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,160
Speaker 1: There's like there's a voice activation, there's a retinal scan

318
00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,520
Speaker 1: the room, if it increases temperature, if there's any pressure

319
00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:33,040
Speaker 1: on the floor, packing hacking, hacky hacking, so all the

320
00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,679
Speaker 1: stuff happens. They get the Knocklist. Then it's revealed that

321
00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:41,200
Speaker 1: Jim Phelps John Voyd's character was the mole all along

322
00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:44,000
Speaker 1: and he like set everyone up and him not dead

323
00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:47,040
Speaker 1: at all, him not dead at all, and his wife Claire,

324
00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,000
Speaker 1: who does come back I forgot to mention um and

325
00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:54,240
Speaker 1: helps Ethan Hunt in his impossible mission. Ethan Hunt gropes

326
00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:58,080
Speaker 1: her and then she's like, I'm sad John Voitch is dead,

327
00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:00,320
Speaker 1: and I'm like, why were you dating him? But then

328
00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:05,280
Speaker 1: you were married? God, this is like, I mean, of

329
00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:08,320
Speaker 1: all the there you have to suspend your belief a

330
00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,360
Speaker 1: lot in this movie, but the fact that she would

331
00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,560
Speaker 1: date John voy who in this movie that is twenty

332
00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:17,040
Speaker 1: years old, is already five hundred years old, it's just

333
00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:21,520
Speaker 1: a lot I did. And they introduced that marriage very

334
00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,080
Speaker 1: early on, and that was it was like an s

335
00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:25,560
Speaker 1: S thing where I was like, okay, so it's a

336
00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:31,240
Speaker 1: fake marriage, right, like it's definitely she's and then no

337
00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:35,440
Speaker 1: actual marriage, like that's real. Everything else is an illusion, right, Yeah.

338
00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,119
Speaker 1: The one moment for the clear character that I was

339
00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,960
Speaker 1: actually very I was like, oh, that was a good

340
00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:46,720
Speaker 1: acting beasting. She when she pretends to find out that

341
00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:49,480
Speaker 1: John Boyd is dead, she goes, Chuck is dead, and

342
00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,439
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, so sad. She did love him

343
00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,200
Speaker 1: even though she never sat and hear him more spoke

344
00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:59,720
Speaker 1: to him on screen, So uh yeah. The end of

345
00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:03,359
Speaker 1: the story is basically Ethan Hunt on confronting John Voyd's

346
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,760
Speaker 1: character and learning that his wife Claire was like a

347
00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,280
Speaker 1: double agent and had like crossed him, and then she

348
00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:15,959
Speaker 1: gets shot dead, and then he has to like proved

349
00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:18,439
Speaker 1: Kittridge that he's not the mall. He's like, here, I

350
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 1: found the actual mall. There's a whole helicopter thing. There's

351
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,800
Speaker 1: an explosion, there's a train, there's the glasses, there's the

352
00:20:23,880 --> 00:20:28,040
Speaker 1: John Voight mask. Right, you're wearing John Void's face, and

353
00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,159
Speaker 1: then you're not. And that's exciting. Yeah, And that's an

354
00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 1: underrated part because it's they convinced Claire to go into

355
00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,800
Speaker 1: train car and then Tom Cruise massed as John Void

356
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 1: is waiting for her, and then after they speak, real

357
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,800
Speaker 1: John Voight immediately pops out from a closet like two

358
00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:45,879
Speaker 1: feet away from top Cruise. So for an indetermined amount

359
00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:49,000
Speaker 1: of time, real John Voight was just watching fake John

360
00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 1: Void from very close quarters. It's great. Why wouldn't Ethan

361
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 1: Hunt like sweep the room and make sure his enemy

362
00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 1: John Voight isn't hiding in a closet nearby, And how

363
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 1: were they able to do it on such a quick turnaround. Well,

364
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:09,280
Speaker 1: the later movies show the maskmaking process and it's really

365
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:14,240
Speaker 1: eye opening. Yeah, this, this franchise is like obsessive about masks,

366
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 1: and there's always we'll talk about this a little later,

367
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,320
Speaker 1: but there's certain like recurring things that happened in every

368
00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 1: Mission Impossible movie. I'm down for that. I mean, a

369
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 1: goofy rubber mask reveal is always very fun. It's not

370
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 1: as effectively or tastefully done as it is in The

371
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 1: Master Disguise, which is one of my favorite movies, where

372
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 1: James Brolin rips off a mask of Bo Derek and

373
00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 1: the audience stands and chairs. Yes, Josh, no, James Brolin,

374
00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:48,080
Speaker 1: the old one. He plays Dana Carvey's father. Dana Carvey's

375
00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 1: forty six in that movie. But but his character is

376
00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 1: supposed to be twenty three. It's wild, my gosh, how

377
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 1: dare he? Anyways? Well, anyway, so that's the that's the

378
00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 1: story of the first Mission an Impossible movie, as far

379
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 1: as I can explain it. Um, let's take a quick

380
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:12,199
Speaker 1: break and we will be back in a moment and

381
00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:17,159
Speaker 1: we're back. Hello, So mission impossible. There can I just

382
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:21,440
Speaker 1: rip off my John Voyd mask really quickly. Very hot John.

383
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 1: I thought that was you, but it turns out it

384
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 1: was Jamie Lofton. John Voyd is actually out on the balcony.

385
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: He'll come in now and we'll have a confrontation. As

386
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,760
Speaker 1: we hinted at during the recap, it seems like there's

387
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,439
Speaker 1: like a parody within the team at the beginning at

388
00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: the beginning of the movie where it is three men

389
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:44,800
Speaker 1: and three women, but once they all die, because they

390
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,520
Speaker 1: all die within the first like twenty minutes except for

391
00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,879
Speaker 1: well Claire comes back. But um, basically two of the

392
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,159
Speaker 1: three women die, two of the three men die, so

393
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,199
Speaker 1: we're left with Ethan Hunt and Claire is like kind

394
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,880
Speaker 1: of the main players um in the movie. And then

395
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: it was was president Ethan Was he dating hot lady

396
00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 1: with the red lip? Was that like a thing or

397
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:11,439
Speaker 1: were they were just where? Were they just pretending because

398
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: of spies? Do you know what character you're talking about? Thomas? Yes,

399
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,200
Speaker 1: I don't think they were dating. I think there's a

400
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: very classic spy move of the two of us need

401
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: to pretend to make out. So there's a reason we're

402
00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: just in this alley watching somebody. I think they were

403
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,320
Speaker 1: just doing that, so they were just okay because I

404
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know how attached we're supposed to

405
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: beat because then they're just killed. So it starts gender

406
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 1: parody and then becomes the opposite as the movie goes on,

407
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 1: which is great because it's great pretty much all the

408
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: new characters who were introduced, aside from Max is a man,

409
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 1: because when we meet Kittridge, we meet Luther, we meet Krieger.

410
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: Because I was like, when I was first watching this,

411
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: I was like, I didn't super remember it that while

412
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: I was like, oh wow, is there going to be

413
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 1: a bunch of women in this movie, that's forgetting that

414
00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 1: they almost all die right away. Also I realized, like, oh,

415
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 1: what a parent, what a gender parody on the team.

416
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,160
Speaker 1: But then I think they did gender parody so they

417
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:12,439
Speaker 1: could kill female characters to like create weight, you know.

418
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of why it's such a female team. Honestly,

419
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,719
Speaker 1: like to give it like if it was an all

420
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: male team and they all die, it's like less feeling.

421
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 1: Maybe is probably actor producer Tom Cruise's opinion, I think

422
00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 1: it was pretty rough. Yeah, and then he gets to

423
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: have the moment with with Kristen Scott Thomas of like,

424
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have that if that was an all male

425
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: team of like, oh we get we get a kiss

426
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,920
Speaker 1: and we get a item. I don't like that they

427
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: bring all the women and they're like, Okay, well we're

428
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,359
Speaker 1: going to murder them, but we're going to bring the

429
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 1: model back. And she's John Boyd's wife. Yeah, if he

430
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,439
Speaker 1: and a male agent did the fake out make out

431
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: in the alley, that would have ruled. It would have

432
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: been great, Like that was the move like a band

433
00:24:57,080 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: called fake up, Like what what you've done if the

434
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 1: spy that he had been paired up with was a man?

435
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: And it just yeah, it feels gross that it's like, oh,

436
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,800
Speaker 1: well she's a woman, so what choice do you have

437
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 1: but to pretend to make out with her? And it's like,

438
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 1: which is something that happens a lot in these movies

439
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: where and this one the first one specifically. So Claire

440
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,119
Speaker 1: comes back after Ethan Hunt thinks that she is among

441
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 1: all the people who have died on his team, but

442
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,399
Speaker 1: she comes back and he's extremely suspicious of her because

443
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 1: he thinks maybe she's the mole or maybe the mole

444
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 1: sent her. So he like pretty violently grabs her, rips

445
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 1: off her coat like man handles her, pats her, DAPs

446
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: and pats her down in a very like sexually aggressive way,

447
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: throws her on the bed, gets on top of her.

448
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: She's crying. He's like, who's done you? Who sent you?

449
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,199
Speaker 1: She's like no, Like, this is the rendezvous we're supposed

450
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 1: to like meet. He's screaming at her, his face is

451
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: like enters away from hers, and it's like, take away

452
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:59,399
Speaker 1: the context of the scene and just look at the

453
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: image and it could easily almost looked like a sex

454
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: scene where he's like, they're on a bed, he's on

455
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 1: top of her. So it's making what's very like a

456
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,399
Speaker 1: very violent and angry moment and sexualizing it very heavily

457
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 1: for no reason. Yeah, it's And also keep in mind

458
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 1: he just screamed at her that her husband died, right,

459
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 1: He's like, your husband's dead, and then he had like

460
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: kind of attacks her, and we were like, what what

461
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: is happening? And then the way that that bothers me

462
00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: with this genre of movie in particular is that we

463
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 1: see this scene and it is aggressive, and then later

464
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 1: we find out that she's lying and that she's like

465
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,239
Speaker 1: a double agent, and so that sort of to an

466
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: audience member justifies like, well, it's okay that he did

467
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 1: that because she was lying, and guy exactly, yeah, right.

468
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: And then well, another interesting thing about the Claire character

469
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: is that so because she was married to John Voight's character,

470
00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: we find out that that's what's motivating her to Ethan

471
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: because as far as we know in the beginning, before

472
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: we find out that he's alive and that he was

473
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 1: lying and he's the mall and that um, she's also

474
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: like collaborating with the bad guy. Her being married to

475
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: him is what's motivating her to help Ethan, which is

476
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: like a reversal of a trope that we usually see

477
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,640
Speaker 1: where it's like my wife for my daughter. So it's yeah,

478
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:26,760
Speaker 1: it's so for clear, so we're seeing instead my husband

479
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 1: basically my husband. I don't know how interesting that is.

480
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: It's certainly like a role reversal, but it still feels

481
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 1: kind of trophy. I think it does. And also it

482
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 1: ensures that her character from most of the movie, as

483
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: far as we know, her motivation is strictly tied to

484
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: two men, and it's also sort of implied that she

485
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 1: you know, it's like that she's at the end. John

486
00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: Voight basically speaks on her behalf for a whole scene,

487
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: and it's like she was just seducing you. She doesn't

488
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: think you're hot, Tom Cruise. That's like she think I'm hot.

489
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: John voyt like the twist. That's the real twist of

490
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 1: the movie. But it was like basically he's saying, and

491
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 1: she's again one of those my favorite action movie tropes,

492
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: which is the woman can watch the last scene of

493
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 1: the movie, but she cannot participate. Um, so she's fully

494
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: audience and sometime actually be like Ethan. But John voy

495
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:37,880
Speaker 1: is just stating what her double agent thing was when

496
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: she easily could have and it's also like I sent

497
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 1: her because she had to seduce you, Like that was

498
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: clearly what his character saw the value. And then he's

499
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: what was that thing he said about like I got

500
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: I got a taste of it or something disgustingly some

501
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 1: cross thing like I've tasted the goods or the goods, Yeah,

502
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: at the goods myself, And I was like, oh my god,

503
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: she's there, you know, right, But then he shoots her

504
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: like two seconds later. Yeah, he's like my wife, who

505
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: it seemed like they were on the same page and

506
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: actually loved each other because they were working side by side.

507
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 1: It didn't make sense that he shot it, right. No, right,

508
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: But even so, like I don't know it just what

509
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 1: had been established about their relationship is like totally negated

510
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: whenever he shoots her for no fucking reason. Right. His

511
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: character is confusing to me. Her character is also confusing

512
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 1: to me. It's sort of is explained at the very end,

513
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: but we don't know why she's doing that job outside

514
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: of her loyalty to her husband. Really, we don't know

515
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: anything about her, and then her husband kills her. So

516
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: I have a question about did she and Tom Cruise

517
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 1: hook up? Was that fade to black suggestion that they

518
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: hooked up or did she just like lick his hand

519
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: and then he was like good night, I'm in real life?

520
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: Second thing for sure. I mean this is also these

521
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 1: movies the few ways they're different from Bond movies. I

522
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: feel like between Tom Cruise being the star of all

523
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: of them and being the producer of all of them,

524
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,160
Speaker 1: and there's there's not really a lot of other carryover

525
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 1: between them, like it's basically James Bond but a sexual.

526
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: Not that there's anything wrong with being a sexual if

527
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: you are, but like there's no I feel like Tom

528
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: Cruise as a person in life doesn't know how to

529
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 1: deal with women at all, and so it just carries

530
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: over to the screen. So it's a James Bond movie

531
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 1: or James Bond has no interest in women. But it's

532
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: just like doing the beats of it, you know, like

533
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 1: a hot woman to be around Vond and I don't

534
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,720
Speaker 1: want to kiss. Yeah, right, Bond is like a womanizer

535
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 1: like always. But well, okay, I actually so, because I

536
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: watched all of the Mission Impossible movies, I made a

537
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 1: few notes on each one and I just basically um

538
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 1: some you know, recurring motifs and whatnot. So for Mission

539
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: Impossible to which came out in two thousands, there's basically

540
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: only one female character in the entire thing, played by

541
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: Sandy Newton. There's a scene where she and Ethan Hunt

542
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,600
Speaker 1: are in a bathtub hiding from like a bad guy

543
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: or something, and he's on top of her and she's like, actually,

544
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: I like to be on top, So then she wraps

545
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: her legs around him and like flips them over so

546
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: that she's on top of him. She's then straddling him

547
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: while she's like stealing some jewelry. They are wearing clothes,

548
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:34,040
Speaker 1: but they're wearing turtle she is she is using tools

549
00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 1: to steal this jewelry that are disguised as a makeup

550
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 1: compact and a lipstick. You know, when you're a woman

551
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: and you're like a thief or spy, your tools have

552
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: to be disguised as makeup. Those are the rules. Because

553
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,840
Speaker 1: it reminds me of in this first movie. I feel

554
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: like the famous thing is stealing the thing in the

555
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: Cia vault and Tom Cruise floating over the floor. All

556
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: three of the guys have very male jobs in it.

557
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: And then Claire's job is to just score stuff into coffee. Right, Yeah,

558
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: she gets the most boring ship to do out of

559
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,600
Speaker 1: every like a very It's also kind of like she

560
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: has to be like flirtatious because she's sitting next to

561
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: the guy. They're like on the same side of the table.

562
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: No one's across from him. It's like a really weird

563
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 1: They're just like sitting side by side like touches. He's

564
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 1: way too close to him. He looks up, she smiles

565
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: at him. And he's like, oh, pretty girl, smile to me. Yeah,

566
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: and then the script Tom Cruise wrote that she was

567
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: probably like she uses girl powers to do it, Like

568
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: that's it, Like he doesn't know anything about women, so

569
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: like their power is girl stuff, like to self act

570
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 1: Nicole what girls do and put in the script there. Yeah, yeah, wait. Oh,

571
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: so there's a couple of uh my favorite moment of

572
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: Mission Impossible to Anthony Hopkins is in this one, and

573
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: he is void and busy. I guess no, he dies

574
00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: at the end of Mission Impossible. I thought that I

575
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: just bad that I started just assumed he would come back.

576
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 1: Who seems like characters in this franchise can kind of

577
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: just come back. I'm my god, he's probably well, I

578
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: want to talk about that in a second. But so,

579
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: Anthony Hopkins is trying to get Ethan Hunt to recruit

580
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: Sandy Newton's character to like join their team because of

581
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: her past relationship to the man that they're trying to

582
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 1: get close to, and Ethan Hunt, who's developing a romantic

583
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: relationship with her for no reason other than they need

584
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: to see a Hawkeye and Hawk girl kissing on screen. Um,

585
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 1: he says, no, she doesn't have the training for that

586
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And Anthony Hopkins says, to go to

587
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: bed with a man and lie to him. She's a woman.

588
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: She's got all the training she needs. It's like, okay,

589
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: we get it, Anthony Hopkins, you've been dumps. Stop projecting, honey,

590
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: who's Beth? I don't know? Oh really, really quick. Um.

591
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: The use of gadgets in Mission Impossible is great. The

592
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:08,360
Speaker 1: gum impractical. If you sat on that gum you would

593
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: blow up. It doesn't It's like what if Tom Cruise,

594
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: God forbid, put that gum in his back pocket, he

595
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: would explode and then the glasses flip. Sorry, anyways, Amelia

596
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: did a great job. Also Amelia in this movie, and

597
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,200
Speaker 1: I double checked to make sure this is true. For

598
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: some reason, Alex to go uncredited in this His name

599
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,839
Speaker 1: is not in the credits. He's in why It more

600
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: than a lot of people. Yeah, he has quite a

601
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: few lines and he's really in it. Yeah, it's not

602
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: just a cameo. He's uncredited. His death is so gruesome

603
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: by the way he gets like a elevator spiked to

604
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: the face. Final destination is horrible. So talking about your

605
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: point of like recurring characters, Jamie of all the movies

606
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: in the franchise, it's always the same leading man of

607
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise play Ethan Hunt. And there's quite a few

608
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: recurring side characters who are except for one example, all men,

609
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: because you have Simon Pegg's character who comes I think

610
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: he's introduced in the third movie and then he's in

611
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: I think all the other ones after that. Luther is

612
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: in I think every movie or every movie but one. Yeah,

613
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: he's always happy. Yeah, Jeremy Renner character gets introduced and

614
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,919
Speaker 1: he's in a couple of the movies. So it's several men.

615
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: And then there is one character who I think in

616
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: the third movie, um Ethan Hunt gets married, uh to

617
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 1: Michelle right. I don't know if that sound and then

618
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: she shows up again in another movie, but only for

619
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: like a split second. So it's really any of the

620
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: notable characters who are recurring are all men, and of

621
00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: the women who so in the movies there's usually one

622
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: main woman. They're not really romantic lead because yeah, he

623
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,360
Speaker 1: is often like kind of a sexual the a sexual

624
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: bond girls well like so it's not a sexual because

625
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,439
Speaker 1: they are usually sexualized in some way and there is

626
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: often like a moment where they either have like a

627
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: flirtation or some sort of sexual tension, but there's like

628
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: a female lead. She changes every single time in the movie.

629
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,399
Speaker 1: There's no recurring female leads. Usually as the movies go on,

630
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: they stay at the same age, but all the other

631
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: like you know, Tom Cruise and everyone gets older, so

632
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: we don't Tom Cruise could be drinking the blood of

633
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,280
Speaker 1: young people and would immortal. Sure, We've all seen interview

634
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 1: with a vampire, so that tracks there being no recurring

635
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: women in the movie. I feel like sends a message

636
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: to everyone who's seeing this, especially the men, that it's

637
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: like cool to be a playboy, and it's cool to

638
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: have like a bunch of different women, and whenever you

639
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: get bored with one, you can just like dump her

640
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,399
Speaker 1: and move on to the next. I feel the Bond

641
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: franchise is much more guilty of this than Mission Impossible,

642
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:07,360
Speaker 1: but it's still implying that like women can be replaced,

643
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: that they're basically just like objects that you can cast

644
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 1: aside and recast in a new movie. I want to

645
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: see a movie about the island where Tom Cruise sends

646
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: women when they turned thirty. I wanted to see a

647
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: movie about all of Tom Cruise's former co stars who

648
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: he shipped off to an island on their thirtieth birthday. Um, yeah,

649
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: because there that that is such a trope of this

650
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: genre and of I mean, but it really spans all

651
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: genres where rom coms are often very guilty of this.

652
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: You know, in historically, male entertainers tend to get more

653
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: opportunities to do things later into their lives and are

654
00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: also just given I mean, even John Voight's character in

655
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: the first movie, the massive age gap between him and

656
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,799
Speaker 1: his Uh not not to shame anyone who has made

657
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 1: December robmance, but this is fucking ridiculous. Like it's it's

658
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 1: pretty much the often the only representation we see of

659
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: like a hetero romantic relationship where it's a much older man.

660
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,240
Speaker 1: It's like, if there is a movie with an older

661
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: man as the lead, it's very rare to see his

662
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 1: romantic partner be his contemporary. Yeah, she's almost most always

663
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 1: like years younger than him. And it's interesting because I

664
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: think that these tropes in this movie in particular are

665
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: kind of like it's it's very clear to see them

666
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: because there is this whole kind of sexless vibe to

667
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: this movie where you see these tropes, and it's like

668
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:43,760
Speaker 1: they've plugged in all the like young women dates, old man,

669
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 1: hot women interested in the lead, but it's presented in

670
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: such a non sexual way for the male lead that

671
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: it's almost just like this weird roadmap of like, oh, yeah,

672
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: this is how all action movies are, regardless of whether

673
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,240
Speaker 1: it makes sense for the plot or the cares. Because

674
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 1: in James Bond movies, it's so knocking you over the head,

675
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: it's so sexual, but this one, it's like almost like

676
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 1: there's like a little bit of an uncanny quality to

677
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: the way women are treated, because it doesn't make sense

678
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,640
Speaker 1: in such a non sexual movie for women to be

679
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: presented this way. But it's just like, well, this is

680
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,959
Speaker 1: what we do in these movies, and it's just again,

681
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: it's very bizarre to me that he works in every

682
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: of the movies. There's why who's a woman who he

683
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: works with and who proves herself to be very competent,

684
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: and yet why don't we ever see her again? Sometimes well,

685
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: sometimes she dies in the movie, but if she doesn't,

686
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: it would stand to reason because other of the like

687
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: male characters who are recurring, like Luther and Simon Pegg's

688
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:45,479
Speaker 1: character and Jeremy Renner's character, like they come back, why

689
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,879
Speaker 1: don't any of the women get to? And this also

690
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: got me thinking that so even in this, in this

691
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: first movie that came out, a few of the main

692
00:39:54,480 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: men are Tom Cruise, Emilio Estevez, John Voight, three like famous,

693
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: recognizable dudes who are still even like over twenty years later,

694
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 1: still famous, still recognizable. The women whose character's names are Sarah, Hannah,

695
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: and Claire. I, off top of my head don't know

696
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: those actresses names, even though we just I just said

697
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: one Emmanuel, like I've never I don't know her. That

698
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: might be sort of familiar faces, but I don't recognize

699
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,160
Speaker 1: them by names certainly. And it got me on this

700
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: train of thought where I wonder if lesser known women

701
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: get cast in these parts opposite men, because it's like,

702
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: are they worried the women, like a more famous woman

703
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 1: is gonna upstage the man, you know what I mean? Like,

704
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 1: but that varies for franchise to franchise, But in this one,

705
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,520
Speaker 1: especially like in the later movies, the woman who gets

706
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: cast opposite Tom Cruise is usually familiar, but not like

707
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: a household name, like maybe it's like, oh, well, they're

708
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: giving like an up and coming actress her chance? Is

709
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: it bad to say actress? I feel like it's this actor,

710
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: an actor who's a woman, her chance. But I also

711
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: wonder if it's like, well, like Tom Cruise doesn't want

712
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 1: to be upstaged by like a woman, just as famousism.

713
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 1: I don't know. This might be all pure speculation, but

714
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: I think this is true of and it doesn't vary

715
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: from franchise to franchise, but I think this is actually

716
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 1: pretty common for like action franchises like this. I think

717
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 1: that this this rule definitely applies to Transformers This. That's

718
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: the franchise that came to my mind where Megan Fox

719
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 1: became such a big name off of that movie and

720
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: then she kind of got like blackballed from that franchise

721
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: because she was kind of like too big and was

722
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,839
Speaker 1: asking to be treated fairly and they're like, oh no,

723
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: we'll just get someone else. Yeah, instead of treating you

724
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: fairly and like your work has impact on this franchise,

725
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: we will literally just recast you. Yeah, I think, because

726
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: I think with a lot of these franchises too, you

727
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,200
Speaker 1: can just see those Hollywood machine parts moving of Oh,

728
00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 1: we just need a new lady, new lady and then impossible.

729
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 1: It's sort of extra weird because I think it's also

730
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: just partly driven with Tom Cruise the person being like

731
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: he's probably bad at hanging out with women or like

732
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,960
Speaker 1: being around them, Like he clearly wants the exact same

733
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: dudes on set every time around, like this new one

734
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 1: I think is the first repeat director, but it's only

735
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: been male directors. It's the same guys on the crew

736
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: all the time. He just wants Alec Baldwin and Ving

737
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: Rahim's back all the time, but constantly new women all

738
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: the time, just everywhere. Yeah, yeah, Tom Cruise, I mean,

739
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,880
Speaker 1: and and we just we just don't have time to

740
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: unpack Tom Cruise today. But there's when will there be time?

741
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: You know, there's so many levels of fucory to the

742
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: career of Tom Cruise, and Tom Cruise as he pertains

743
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 1: to women, shouts out to Katie and Nicole, Boy, they

744
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 1: have to deal with some shit really bad. You can

745
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 1: read up on it if if you want. But yeah,

746
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I would imagine I'm just shot in the

747
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: dark here. Tom Cruise probably does not want and actress

748
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: who is his equal experience wise on screen with him,

749
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: because it seems like he has a pathological fear of

750
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: being upstaged. Yeah, yeah, that would be That would be

751
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,319
Speaker 1: another thing I guess. I will say I didn't know

752
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: that Emmanuel bay Are is within a year of the

753
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 1: same age as Tom Cruise. Sure in this movie when

754
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: he is young, she is an age appropriate person for him.

755
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: In this movie, she's not age appropriate for John Voight, who,

756
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,399
Speaker 1: as I said, was born in eighteen ninety six if

757
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: you can believe was eighteen nine six. That's so crazy

758
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 1: that he's still working. Sure, it means like, yeah, she

759
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: is age appropriate in this movie, but twenty two years later,

760
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 1: when this franchise is still going on and the women

761
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: who are you know cast opposite him are still you know, thirty.

762
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: So let's take a quick break and we will be

763
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 1: back shortly, and we're back. Another thing I wanted to

764
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: talk about, and Alex you touched on this is like

765
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: that very iconic scene where Tom Cruise is like dangling

766
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: on the rope, like suspended, kind of in mid air

767
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: when he's like trying to steal the knocklist. That scene

768
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:23,720
Speaker 1: has been like spoofed, parodied, alluded to in like bazillions

769
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:27,640
Speaker 1: of things in pop culture, one of them being Paddington,

770
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:32,279
Speaker 1: but that's neither here nor there. But please go check

771
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,480
Speaker 1: out the movie Paddington and Paddington too if you haven't

772
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 1: um anyway, So it got me thinking about very famous

773
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: and iconic movie scenes like this. I made a list

774
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: which will take probably too long to go through, but

775
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,920
Speaker 1: you can. There's like super cuts on YouTube of like

776
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 1: you know, iconic movie scenes or like famous movie quotes,

777
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: and you'll find that almost all of them involve men,

778
00:44:56,360 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: not a woman to be seen. And if there is

779
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: a woman to be seen, uh, it is usually in

780
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: like a very romantic, hetero context. So if we're thinking,

781
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: like you had me at Hello, right, she's declaring her

782
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: love for a man, she's sometimes if she's in a

783
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: Harrison Ford movie, chances are she's being grabbed by Harrison

784
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 1: Ford and kissed. Forcibly, God, I hate Harrison Everyone's dream

785
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 1: Oh God, push them out a window. But but I do.

786
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: I want to believe it about the about the iconic scenes. Yeah, yeah,

787
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: so that's unfortunate. Fortunately, I think we at least in

788
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: the past ten years, have more female action heroes to

789
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: choose from, which is great, but it's still yeah, in

790
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: in terms of the history of cinema. It's really just

791
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: straight ladies kissing straight dudes, and sometimes they get in

792
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: a line, and sometimes if they're lucky, and sometimes you

793
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,320
Speaker 1: get Scarlett O'Hara shaking her fist at the sky and

794
00:46:02,320 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, that's exciting. But wait, she's a slave owner,

795
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: so that's not good either. So movies are bad. Movies

796
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 1: are not good. Oh, just a couple. So going back

797
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: to some of the other sequels, a few things I

798
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:21,640
Speaker 1: wanted to mention or just trends that I found is

799
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: that there's almost always a scene where Ethan Hunt does

800
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: something to a female character that is not a sexual act,

801
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 1: like hiding from a bad guy or like searching them

802
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: because he thinks they're suspicious, but the movie always frames

803
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 1: it as something very sexual because he isn't usually ever

804
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: given a romantic interest in the movies. So, like, you know, whatever, director, producer,

805
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,440
Speaker 1: writer was like, well, we still have to have you know,

806
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise fondling a woman on the screener. Who's gonna

807
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: want to see this? Right? He's like, I have to

808
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: prove that I am a man who likes girls and

809
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: everyone needs to see Yeah, yeah, I don't. His vibe

810
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: is so creepy, and and not just this movie, like

811
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 1: Top Gun, a lot of things from this era. In particular,

812
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: he the way he deals with women is like very intense.

813
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: To me, it just seems really creepy. And watching this movie,

814
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: I started developing a fan theory that he's just like

815
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 1: two teenagers in a long coat or something and he

816
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: doesn't know what to do, so he's doing bad things.

817
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 1: And he's five four, he's one teenage And it is

818
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: wild how just like such intense, insecure masculine energy is

819
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 1: broadcast to the largest possible audience. It is fascinating. Sociologically,

820
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,760
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise's career is fascinated because you're like, he's so

821
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: insecure about whatever. Who knows, He won't tell us, but

822
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 1: but we all have to. We all have to watch it.

823
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: And I love it. And he's always running. Have you

824
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 1: seen the supercut of him running? Though? There's an eighteen

825
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 1: minute video just of someone took all the scenes in

826
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: every movie has ever been in of him running. It's

827
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:14,479
Speaker 1: eighteen minutes long and it's actually amazing. Wow, there's five

828
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: minutes of Tom Cruise running in two thousand eighteen alone. Wild. Yeah,

829
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: you can watch it like one of those Christmas log videos,

830
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 1: like it's just the same thing endlessly. It's kind of

831
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 1: calming after party. A few of the other trends I noticed,

832
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: um is that there's often violence against both men and

833
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: women in these movies. But often when a woman is

834
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: killed it's because she's been like captured and tied up

835
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: and you know, murdered in cold blood kind of thing,

836
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: whereas when men die, it's usually because they're like in

837
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: combat and they're like fighting for themselves. There are a

838
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: few exceptions where there's different agents who are like kicking

839
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: acid fighting. In fact, there's one scene and I think

840
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: it's it's either it goes protocol or rogue nation. But um,

841
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 1: there's a woman who's like fighting a room full of

842
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: bad guys and like Tom Choose is tied up so

843
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: like he can't help right away, so it's like her

844
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:15,640
Speaker 1: like kicking ass. Yeah yeah, and she has to like

845
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: save him and help him. Um. So every once in

846
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,839
Speaker 1: a while there will be like a role reversal like that,

847
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,399
Speaker 1: But for the most part, in these movies, women are

848
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:29,840
Speaker 1: sexualized in some way very needlessly. They are often dams old.

849
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 1: There are a few, you know, characters who come and

850
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: go who are like, oh, yeah, she's pretty cool, she's

851
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,760
Speaker 1: a badass, but she of course isn't given a personality

852
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 1: or anything like that. But so yeah, the treatment over

853
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 1: the span of this franchise of women is peculiar because

854
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,879
Speaker 1: they don't just entirely because some you know, action franchises,

855
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: the women will just be damns old and she can't

856
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,080
Speaker 1: fight for herself, she can't do anything. Um, she's given

857
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:02,120
Speaker 1: no skills, no part salting, anything like that. And these movies,

858
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: at least there are like women agents who are like

859
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: fighting and like doing cool stuff, and some of them

860
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 1: are hacking even and some of them are like, you know,

861
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 1: doing this and that. But the first, like in the

862
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:16,759
Speaker 1: first movie, at least, it seems like Tom Cruise and

863
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 1: John Boy respect the women they're working with, don't call

864
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,839
Speaker 1: their qualifications into question, which is a low bar to set.

865
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,840
Speaker 1: But in most movies like this, you know, you'd have

866
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 1: that moment of like, can she really do her job

867
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,160
Speaker 1: and be so very hot, and then she has to

868
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:36,000
Speaker 1: prove it. There aren't those proving moments in this, in

869
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 1: the first movie at least, but it's still it's like

870
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: they treat women like neutral to light negative and and

871
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 1: I think do what a lot of these movies do

872
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 1: and what the vast majority movies do, which is kind

873
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: of just like forget about its female characters for large

874
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: swaths of the movie and then go back to them

875
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,000
Speaker 1: when they need something sexy to happen. But there's not

876
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:02,240
Speaker 1: really any character motivated sense that we ever cut to Claire.

877
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,359
Speaker 1: It always has to be like, oh, a sexy thing

878
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,520
Speaker 1: needs to happen, or John Voight is going to enter

879
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:12,680
Speaker 1: the room soon, like those are mostly hercus and so

880
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: it's just like, I mean, I can't believe that Tom

881
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 1: Cruise can't write a female character. I can't believe it.

882
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,000
Speaker 1: I mean, is he writing these at all? Is he?

883
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 1: I'm sure he's probably like the character to do this movie,

884
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: this thing in this movie, but like the fifth one,

885
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: in the upcoming sixth one, the director is his like

886
00:51:34,160 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 1: previous script doctor on these, it's Christopher mcquarie, So I

887
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: think he. I think he does the Will Smith thing

888
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: where he has a script guy that he puts in,

889
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 1: so he's not like writing writing it, but he's telling

890
00:51:44,200 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 1: someone what the type kind of right, all they said

891
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:51,120
Speaker 1: this is a fun movie that does not treat women.

892
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: It's like it doesn't treat women well, it doesn't really

893
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 1: treat women at all. It is a very non sexual

894
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: action movie movie, which is unusual because I feel like

895
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: actual movies so often tip into outright misogyny. This one

896
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:09,360
Speaker 1: doesn't because it just doesn't. Is like, this movie doesn't

897
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:11,879
Speaker 1: know how to talk to girls. Like literally, this as

898
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: a text does not know how to talk to girls

899
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: and largely doesn't. Yeah, it's in like the corner of

900
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: a middle school dance. It's just like, what do I

901
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: do all the time? I worked so hard on my outfit,

902
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: but I don't know how to talk to anybody. But

903
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 1: that said, because it just is like kind of awkward

904
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: and the way it treats its characters a lot of

905
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,400
Speaker 1: the time, I still was able to enjoy it. I

906
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: don't know, Like I I was like, this movie makes

907
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,880
Speaker 1: no sense. You have to be a literal genius to

908
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 1: understand what's going on here. That's not The story is

909
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 1: not well written, and like, why would a arms dealer

910
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:55,760
Speaker 1: want a knock list of spies? Like that just doesn't

911
00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:59,360
Speaker 1: make a whole lot of sense. Her job to figure

912
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: out she would need it at all? Right? Is she

913
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: an arms steeler and a list dealer? Like she's just

914
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: gonna flip it. I don't give it. And then why

915
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: why would Ethan Hunt whose job is a spy and

916
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: a huge part of being a spy is to not

917
00:53:15,880 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: let other people know that you're a spy. Why would

918
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,960
Speaker 1: Max that he's a spy. That's a classic Bond move

919
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: to He just like goes into a casino and they're like,

920
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: you need to do some detective work here, and he

921
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,280
Speaker 1: just walks up to people and he's like, I'm James Bond,

922
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: where's the villain? It's great, it's really fun, like, oh, sure, okay,

923
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,399
Speaker 1: I guess we're just going full dummy on this, right.

924
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: So it's not that you need to be a genius

925
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: to understand this movie. It's that this story, i would argue,

926
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 1: is not clear or that well written. But the John

927
00:53:50,200 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: Voight mask rip really does make it worth the time.

928
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: The mask reveals, especially as the franchise goes on, are

929
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: very fun. You're like, this person that I thought was

930
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 1: Philip Seymour halfman is actually is that one elf? Oh

931
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 1: my god, then you got me again, which every time

932
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: that happened, someone went Ethan, come on, you're so crazy.

933
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: You get these maths if someone photoshops mission and Parmesan

934
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: do it to us now. I feel like you've been

935
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 1: holding that in for an hour. The five seconds I

936
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:35,080
Speaker 1: thought of it and then said it was real heard them,

937
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: Oh boy? Um, does anyone have any other thoughts about

938
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: the movie? Oh real quick? I actually wanted to talk

939
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 1: about the character of Max who So before we see

940
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: we meet Max on screen, Max has talked about a

941
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 1: lot and the pronouns that are used are he because

942
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: everyone assumes that Max the arm Dealer is a he.

943
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,399
Speaker 1: And then there's a big reveal that whenever we meet

944
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: Max on screen, it's actually a woman, which we've covered

945
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 1: here and there on the podcast before, where it's I

946
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 1: don't know how commonly recurring this trope is, but it's

947
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: definitely a trope where you know a character who you

948
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: thought was a man surprised either they take off their

949
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: mask or they take off their helmet or whatever, or

950
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: you know, we just meet them and it's actually a woman.

951
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,919
Speaker 1: It bothers me that like someone's gender is like used

952
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 1: as a big surprising reveal, but it also might be

953
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:35,200
Speaker 1: like providing commentary on how gender normative everyone is, where

954
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:38,840
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, this person who's a an armstealer or

955
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 1: you know, driving a motorcycle, or a doctor who you

956
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 1: think might be a man just kidding. A woman can

957
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: be those things too. It's a shitty reveal, and it's

958
00:55:50,080 --> 00:55:53,439
Speaker 1: recycled over and over and over. I feel like most

959
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: commonly in a movie like this, but sometimes it's kind

960
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 1: of crosses genres as well. Yeah, yeah, And I don't

961
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 1: know how there is to talk about her character aside

962
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:05,920
Speaker 1: from that, because she's just sort of there being a

963
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 1: plot device. Essentially, she's pretty much given no characterization. And

964
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:13,280
Speaker 1: also what she doesn't makes no sense because again, she's

965
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: an arm stealer. I don't understand what her situation is.

966
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,040
Speaker 1: She's just like, I think it's one of those situations.

967
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 1: It's it's not quite Walking and Jelie. But sorry, that's

968
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 1: a really highbrow reference to Christopher Walkins one scene in

969
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: Jeelie It's not quite Walking and Jeelie, where it truly

970
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 1: appears that the actor in question was told they would

971
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 1: be given an amount of money to wander on set

972
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: and just hold a cup and be like, here were

973
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,359
Speaker 1: some words off the top of my head. But there

974
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 1: is a quality to Vanessa Redgrave's part where it's like

975
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 1: she's sort of just acting like herself for like, kind

976
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,080
Speaker 1: of a character of herself of like a very posh,

977
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: like smart woman who isn't going to tell you everything,

978
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: you know, Like her character doesn't make a ton of sense.

979
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:02,879
Speaker 1: I that said, I am glad she's there. I love her.

980
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,960
Speaker 1: I love her. Her scenes with Tom Cruise are weirdly,

981
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: but I think it's because they're so non sexual. That's

982
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:12,720
Speaker 1: why they're compelling. I'm just like, how does Tom Cruise

983
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,719
Speaker 1: view this woman? Does he think of her? How does he?

984
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: It's very unclear. I think a more interesting movie than

985
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 1: this one would have been an exploration of an arm

986
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: steeler who's a woman and what that life is like,

987
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 1: Like is she taken seriously by her buyers and other

988
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: male arms steelers? Let's explore that, Let's unpack. Yeah, because

989
00:57:33,880 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: if she we never see her like knock anybody's heads

990
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: together anything, So clearly she did a lot of that before,

991
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: and that would have been really exciting to see, you know,

992
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 1: like nobody gets to that position without enforcing first you know, Yeah,

993
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 1: where's the origin story? Let's like it? Yeah, I mean,

994
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: but that's None of the characters here are well written

995
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: or really make any sense. So that's why I love it.

996
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:02,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a weird move. Be uh, it's

997
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 1: just a weird movie. Tom Cruise is a is a

998
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 1: weird man. I have terrific teeth. Tom Cruise is problematic

999
00:58:09,680 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: as hell, but I honestly quite enjoy him and I

1000
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 1: like a lot of his movies. He is an actor

1001
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: who leads with his teeth, which is wild. Like if

1002
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: you watch Tom Cruise act, his teeth somehow our first, like,

1003
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:28,919
Speaker 1: you know, like some people lead with their hips, but

1004
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: Tom he's just like going into every role tooth first.

1005
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: Chances are Tom Cruise is running towards you were unning,

1006
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: running somewhere teeth first shining. I think he just has

1007
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,000
Speaker 1: one gigantic tooth and then draws in the lines that

1008
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 1: he's a complicated man. Look, this movie, the First Mission

1009
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: Possible movie is not that great. I have never seen

1010
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: any of the TV shows, so I don't really I'm

1011
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: not a familiar with the source material. Kind of goofy. Yeah,

1012
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 1: it's just I'm sure it's like can't be sixties like

1013
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: super camp kind of thing. But as the movies go on,

1014
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 1: they get better and better. I think Ghost Protocol might

1015
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 1: be my favorite Um, I liked three enough to buy

1016
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 1: it on DVD. Mission Possible To is objectively a bad movie,

1017
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: but the rest are like pretty pretty decent, and I

1018
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: think easier to understand. So, like, I think the first

1019
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,680
Speaker 1: one and the first two are just like what the

1020
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:33,120
Speaker 1: fund is happening in this movie, but I think they

1021
00:59:33,120 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: get better as they go on. But um, yeah, so

1022
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: this is a franchise I enjoy when I'm not looking

1023
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 1: at it through the backtel cast lens. But when I

1024
00:59:42,760 --> 00:59:46,600
Speaker 1: am doing that, you know, it's not hard to see

1025
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:50,760
Speaker 1: that this franchise does not treat women especially well. There

1026
00:59:50,760 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 1: are certainly franchises that do a much worse job. There

1027
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: are some that maybe do a better job. But action franchise,

1028
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:01,480
Speaker 1: you'd be hard pressed I find one that like it's

1029
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: a feminist masterpiece, because I can't think of any off

1030
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: the top of my head that are, well, there's the alien,

1031
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: that's true. Yeah, I mean there are like good female

1032
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: action here is, some of whom we've covered on this

1033
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:21,360
Speaker 1: very podcast, But as far as this particular formula goes

1034
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:25,320
Speaker 1: where it's like a male action lead, which is of them.

1035
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: I'd be interested if any of our listeners could come

1036
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: to us with a male action lead franchise that has

1037
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: female characters that are treated well. Yeah, because certainly, like

1038
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: as we discussed already, Bond does not do a good job,

1039
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:46,560
Speaker 1: Indiana Jones does not do a good job. Yeah. So yeah,

1040
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 1: action franchises have a long history of not treating women well.

1041
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:54,600
Speaker 1: Speaking of does this movie pass the Bechtel tests? Not?

1042
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: Women don't even make eye contact in this movie. It's

1043
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: crazy and it really and like I wrote down, I

1044
01:01:01,760 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: was like, this scene where they're all prepeping, this scene

1045
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:08,720
Speaker 1: where they are propeping, the scheme is like the seven

1046
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: minute mark. I was like, they are going to have

1047
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 1: women talk to each other. We're going to get it.

1048
01:01:12,760 --> 01:01:14,760
Speaker 1: And then they don't. And then there's never even two

1049
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 1: women in the same room. They would really tease you

1050
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: at the top, but like, uh, they don't even look

1051
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 1: at each other. I went back and rewatched the scene,

1052
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 1: partially to check out Amelia's tips, but mostly to see

1053
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 1: if women even look. They don't even look at each other.

1054
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: There's no acknowledgement. It's mostly Tom Cruise being like, can

1055
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: we get a capucio machine? My name is I want

1056
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: to better coffee? Didn't I have? And then and then

1057
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 1: John Voyd's like, yeah, my wife made that coffee and

1058
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,360
Speaker 1: then she's like I made that coffee end of scene. Yeah. Yeah,

1059
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: Because if people haven't seen this movie at a while,

1060
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 1: it's like Tom Cruise trying to do what he thinks

1061
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: adults do at work when they choke around. It is

1062
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:05,960
Speaker 1: really really weird or grown up. It's really like he

1063
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: like flipped through some Dilbert and was like, this is

1064
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:11,920
Speaker 1: probably it. Yeah, they talk about cappuccino a boss a

1065
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 1: roof good enough for me. My name is Ethan. So

1066
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:23,439
Speaker 1: let us rate the movie on our nipple scale, where

1067
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 1: we rate the movie based on its portrayal of women

1068
01:02:26,080 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 1: zero to five nipples. I'm going to have to give

1069
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:33,560
Speaker 1: this one, I think, like a one, And maybe that's

1070
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: even being too generous. Like I had such high hopes

1071
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 1: starting out because I was like, oh, three of the

1072
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: six people on this team of spies or women, like

1073
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 1: is this gonna be dope? And then they pretty much

1074
01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:50,360
Speaker 1: all instantly get murdered. So it's not the feminist text

1075
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:53,160
Speaker 1: that we were all hoping for. The women who do

1076
01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: survive and don't get murdered, yeah, their motivations are not

1077
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: totally clear or they are attached to a man. They

1078
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:07,480
Speaker 1: aren't really given much cool to do on screen, Like

1079
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: we already talked about Claire, like when they're like going

1080
01:03:10,560 --> 01:03:13,440
Speaker 1: in to steal the Knocklist, she just has to like

1081
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: look cute in a red dress and poison a guy

1082
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:19,480
Speaker 1: and that's like pretty much all she gets to do.

1083
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: And other than that, Yeah, she's either like groped by

1084
01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 1: Tom Cruise or screamed at or she gets shot by

1085
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: her husband, So still makes sense that would happen. And

1086
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 1: then with Max, like, I don't understand why she's in

1087
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:39,280
Speaker 1: the movie, or why an armstealer would want this list,

1088
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: and why it's just none none of that makes any

1089
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 1: sense to me. So yeah, the women who are in

1090
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:48,960
Speaker 1: the movie pretty much don't make a whole lot of sense.

1091
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 1: And overall the movie just does not treat women well.

1092
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 1: The franchise does not treat women especially well. We are

1093
01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: not surprised by that. But maybe Mission Possible fall we'll

1094
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,920
Speaker 1: do a better job. Yeah, I wonder how the Mission

1095
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 1: Impossible franchise is going to tackle the me Too movement

1096
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: that that's really the text to her waiting for Also, um,

1097
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: as we often come across, this is an extremely white movie,

1098
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,959
Speaker 1: you know, very hetero everything like that. Um In fact

1099
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 1: that I had to watch the first scene when they're

1100
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 1: introducing all the members of the team. I had to

1101
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: watch that like three times because I was like, okay, wait,

1102
01:04:30,080 --> 01:04:32,160
Speaker 1: which woman is Sarah and which one is Claire and

1103
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:34,720
Speaker 1: which one is Hand? Because they're all three white women

1104
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: who look very similar. They all have the same hairstyle.

1105
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: Who gave them all the same hairstyle? I had no

1106
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: idea who was who and until two of them died

1107
01:04:44,040 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: and I was like, Okay, this one's named Claire and

1108
01:04:46,120 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 1: she's still alive, and Okay, Like I don't know, maybe

1109
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: put some diversity name movies and you wouldn't have to

1110
01:04:53,240 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: tell so many fucking white people apart anyway. So yeah,

1111
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 1: let's go down to a half nipple, and the half

1112
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 1: nipple I will give to Max because I like that actor.

1113
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:09,800
Speaker 1: I guess I'm gonna give it one. And and this

1114
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: is almost an unfair yardstick to be using, but put

1115
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 1: against comparable series, it does not abuse women to the

1116
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:22,480
Speaker 1: same extent that most franchises in this genre that are

1117
01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: equally successful. But such a low bar. But but I

1118
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:30,080
Speaker 1: think that that is worth noting as it pertains to

1119
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,560
Speaker 1: this movie because it does like it does make a

1120
01:05:33,680 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: difference in the way you you view the movie. That said,

1121
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: this movie just like doesn't know how to talk to girls. Uh.

1122
01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:43,880
Speaker 1: The groping is absolutely unnecessary. The way that that character

1123
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: is spoken for while she's in the room and then

1124
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:52,400
Speaker 1: killed in the last scene is like borderline ridiculous because

1125
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense. Uh. So, not only is it

1126
01:05:55,560 --> 01:05:58,200
Speaker 1: not based in reality from a gendered standpoint, it is

1127
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: also very bleak. Um. Yeah, I mean, I think of

1128
01:06:04,280 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 1: the few merits this movie has, it's nice to at

1129
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:12,720
Speaker 1: least see female characters in an action series whose skills

1130
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 1: aren't constantly called into question. I think part of the

1131
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:18,200
Speaker 1: reason that is, though, is because they're not given that

1132
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:21,440
Speaker 1: much to do and or they are all killed at

1133
01:06:21,440 --> 01:06:23,520
Speaker 1: the beginning of the movie, which again, yeah, that first

1134
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:25,960
Speaker 1: scene is just like so frustrating because it's like, uh,

1135
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: we've got almost a movie here, and then we I think, Alex,

1136
01:06:30,800 --> 01:06:32,440
Speaker 1: you're totally on the right track with being like, well,

1137
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,600
Speaker 1: there there's gendertive parody at the beginning, so you can

1138
01:06:34,640 --> 01:06:37,440
Speaker 1: see a lot of women die and have emotional steaks

1139
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: attached to that. So it's it's weird like this there's

1140
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 1: just like a weird Uncanny Valley quality to the way

1141
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 1: this movie deals with gender because I don't think it

1142
01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: knows how because Tom Cruise is involved. Um So I'll

1143
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,200
Speaker 1: give it, you know, I'll give it one nipple for

1144
01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,080
Speaker 1: the women that are there. None of the characters make sense,

1145
01:06:57,640 --> 01:07:00,439
Speaker 1: but the female characters in this movie don't makes sense

1146
01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: and don't have any existence outside of the male characters

1147
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:08,000
Speaker 1: that also make no sense. Uh. So I'll give one nipple,

1148
01:07:08,040 --> 01:07:11,520
Speaker 1: and I'll give it to Alfred Molina because I think

1149
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: that he really could have shown up in this movie

1150
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,440
Speaker 1: in almost any part, uh in an effective way. I

1151
01:07:19,480 --> 01:07:22,960
Speaker 1: would love not to, you know, but if Amelia really

1152
01:07:23,040 --> 01:07:26,320
Speaker 1: didn't want to be credited in in this movie, Freddie

1153
01:07:26,320 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 1: would have taken the credit. He would have taken the credit.

1154
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:31,120
Speaker 1: He would have hacked the main frame. We don't get

1155
01:07:31,160 --> 01:07:33,040
Speaker 1: to see thick Hackers a lot, and that would have

1156
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: been an interesting move. So there you go. So Alfred

1157
01:07:36,080 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: gets mine. I was much a franchise called thick Hackersick Hackers.

1158
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:44,200
Speaker 1: It's like kind of my type. Yeah, that's I mean,

1159
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: you both nailed it. I yeah, I would give it,

1160
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: I think one whole nipple because yeah, it doesn't go

1161
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 1: as overboard with brutality toward women as a lot of

1162
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,320
Speaker 1: action movies. Like we said, incredibly low bar. But also

1163
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 1: it does a lot of things wrong too, and especially

1164
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 1: like this was the least I've ever liked it watching it,

1165
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: because I was thinking, oh, this was maybe much more

1166
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,920
Speaker 1: feminist than I remembered, And then it's super isn't all

1167
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,200
Speaker 1: of a sudden Like it's just a sudden hard left turn. Yeah.

1168
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: I think if Tom Cruise could have gone and like

1169
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:16,160
Speaker 1: just been on an island by himself and made whatever

1170
01:08:16,240 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: movie he'd want to make, it would be this movie

1171
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,639
Speaker 1: with absolutely no women in it, Like there are only

1172
01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:22,640
Speaker 1: women in the film because he knows that's like a

1173
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 1: consideration that the rest of human civilization and the species wants,

1174
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 1: and otherwise it would just be boys hanging out and

1175
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 1: that I can't wait for that franchise. Yeah, we can

1176
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:41,280
Speaker 1: rename maybe of movie franchises to boys hanging out there

1177
01:08:41,439 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 1: sometimes boys hanging out with guns. Yeah. Well, Alex, thank

1178
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 1: you so much for being here. Was great course. Um,

1179
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: where can people follow you online? Do you have anything

1180
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 1: you'd like to plug? Yeah? My Twitter account is at

1181
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:57,880
Speaker 1: Alex Schmidty. It's my name with a Y on the end,

1182
01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,080
Speaker 1: and then my website is Alex Schmidty dot com that

1183
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,200
Speaker 1: has show dates and other info and more awesome. I'm

1184
01:09:03,240 --> 01:09:09,960
Speaker 1: a cracked podcast. Please listen, please um. You can follow

1185
01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:14,200
Speaker 1: the becktel Cast on Twitter and Instagram and Facebook at

1186
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 1: bechtel Cast. You can subscribe to our Patreon. It's five

1187
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 1: dollars a month and it gets you two bonus episodes

1188
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 1: every single month. Check out our website backtol cast dot com.

1189
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: You can buy merchandise from our online store there, and

1190
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:33,240
Speaker 1: you can follow me at Caitlin Darante on Twitter and Instagram.

1191
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: You can follow me at Jamie loft Is Help on

1192
01:09:35,640 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 1: Twitter and Jamie Jamie christ Superstar on Instagram. Because I

1193
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:43,720
Speaker 1: don't play by the rules, that's right, your ghostro Combination

1194
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: five Road Ghost, I'm a thig hacker. This episode will

1195
01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:54,920
Speaker 1: self destruct in five seconds. All right, Bye bye