1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to the Tuesday edition of The Clay Travis 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,239 Speaker 1: and Buck Sexton Show. Got a lot to discuss with 3 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:11,920 Speaker 1: you today, my friends. This morning, the Supreme Court heard 4 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: a transgender sports case and I listened in on some 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: of the oral arguments. Play listened in on the oral arguments. 6 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: We'll give you our takes on that one. Democrats are crazy, 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: including some members of the Supreme Court, on this issue. 8 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: There is no reasoning with them. There is no rational 9 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 1: There is just they want what they want and they're 10 00:00:37,720 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 1: going to try to find a way to get it. 11 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: But we will come back into that. Trump is speaking, 12 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: I was speaking about what his administration's up to with 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: the law enforcement specifically, but also this Jerome Powell issue play. 14 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: So they're looking into Jerome Powell for possibly the Fed 15 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: chair who has been too slow, in the eye of 16 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 1: many to lower rates. I think those eyes or the 17 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: many there includes you and me, right, I think we 18 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:11,680 Speaker 1: both believe that he should have lowered rates sooner than 19 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: he has. But nonetheless, he's being investigated for possibly lying 20 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:23,119 Speaker 1: under oath the Congress about the renovations on the Federal 21 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 1: Reserve building. This has got some people asking what the 22 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: heck's going on. So we shall discuss that. We've got 23 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 1: more on the Democrats trying to I think Clay that 24 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: they're realizing it doesn't have quite the quite the sizzle 25 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: politically that they need to make this a big, nationwide, 26 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: huge movement about Renee Goods shooting. So I don't think 27 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 1: that that's going to continue for much longer. After this week, 28 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: you probably won't be hearing that much. I could be wrong, 29 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: and the way that would change, and we'll get into 30 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 1: what the Minnesota Attorney general said about this in a moment. 31 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: The way it which is if they bring a charge 32 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: against a state charge against the ICE officer, which would 33 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: cause a big mess, and I think they would lose ultimately, 34 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: even though it's a blue state and even though you 35 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: have some communist judges, I think the bar is going 36 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 1: to be too high for them. But we'll see. I'm 37 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: not sure they're even going to bring that charge though, 38 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 1: So that's all a little bit preemptive in the discussion. 39 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: But Clay Ice is not backing down at all. Trump 40 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: is not backing down at all. Home and Secretary Nome. 41 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: They are using Minnesota now as an opportunity to show 42 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 1: that the enforcement of the law will continue irrespective of 43 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: how many tiery eyes there are on ms now, irrespective 44 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: of how outraged the editorials on the New York Times 45 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: page may be. Tom Holman, this is cut thirteen. He's 46 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,239 Speaker 1: just straight up saying it. Look, we're there because they're 47 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: a sanctuary state, and we're going to keep being there. 48 00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 2: Play thirteen incurred the last four years or millions of 49 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 2: illegal aliens were illegally released in the United States. Will 50 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: have proper betting. That's why we're there, Bill. We're in 51 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: Minnesota because number one, there's sanctuaries state, sanctuary city. They're 52 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 2: knowingly releasing public safety threats, illegal aliens to the streets 53 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,600 Speaker 2: every day. Were there because of Biden administration let manions 54 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: of illegal alien criminal alilans in the nation. Were there 55 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 2: because we want to arrest these public safety threats that 56 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,240 Speaker 2: they're released to the street. If these governors and mayors 57 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 2: will simply let us in their jail, you know, complying 58 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 2: with our retainers, we could arrest that criminal, public safety 59 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: threat and the safety and security of a jail, but 60 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 2: they rather release them in the public, which is unsafe 61 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 2: for the public, unsafe for the alien, and certainly unsafe 62 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:41,119 Speaker 2: for our agents. 63 00:03:41,600 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: Clay, I just want to say it that's often lost 64 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: in this discussion. Think about how much they say, oh, 65 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: but they're being the ice agents are being thugs, and 66 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: look what they're doing, and it's so rough. Imagine if 67 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: state and local authorities we're willing to be helpful, not 68 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: make the arrest themselves necessarily, but just shareing in, just 69 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: refuse to obstruct. 70 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, it is a I watched the press conference 71 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 3: yesterday where Jacob Frye and everyone in Minnesota decided that 72 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 3: they were going to sue the DHS, Christy Nome, and 73 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 3: they were going to sue the federal government. This is 74 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 3: the problem we're going to run into, Buck, and I 75 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 3: think it's important for people out there to understand it. 76 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: There is both, and I think it even applies to 77 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: the Supreme Court transgender arguments as we see them come out. 78 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 3: There's two tracks in many different parts of politics. There 79 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 3: is the legal track and there is the political track. 80 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 3: Sometimes they are on the same track. Right, Republicans have 81 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 3: the good sense to be on the size of boys 82 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,839 Speaker 3: shouldn't be able to compete in girls' sports, which is 83 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 3: both politically and legally the right argument. Right, We sometimes 84 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,239 Speaker 3: talk about political and moral, but here political and legal. 85 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 3: Democrats have decided in Minneapolis that they are going to 86 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:03,160 Speaker 3: throw up as any legal roadblocks as possible to this 87 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 3: ICE investigation, to these ICE raids, to this ICE implementation 88 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 3: of the law in Minnesota. And they're doing it entirely 89 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 3: for political reasons, with no basis in legal reality or 90 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 3: hope at all. And I think everybody out there who 91 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 3: is a lawyer that is listening to us right now, 92 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 3: that has a scintilla of sense recognizes that they looked 93 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 3: at it and they said, you're a state. 94 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:32,000 Speaker 1: You can't sue the. 95 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 3: Federal government for implementing federal law and think that you 96 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,280 Speaker 3: are going to win. And let me give you an 97 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 3: example of an argument that I was consistent on. 98 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: Buck. 99 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 3: You remember when Texas was trying to stop the federal 100 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 3: government when it came to immigration policy. They were right 101 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 3: and they sued, and they said we should be able 102 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:55,320 Speaker 3: to do all these different things, and the courts actually said, no, 103 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 3: you can't, because immigration law trump's state law, even though 104 00:06:00,080 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 3: Texas happens to be a border state and arguably should 105 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 3: be able to defend itself. And back then, if you 106 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 3: go listen to the tape, I said, this is really frustrating. 107 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 3: But the precedent the courts are putting out there is 108 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 3: whomever is the executive determining what the law of the 109 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 3: land is gets to decide what the law is and 110 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 3: gets to execute it as they see fit. So all 111 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 3: these lawsuits, look, it may play well for the Minneapolis mayor, 112 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,479 Speaker 3: and they may play well for Tim Walls. With the 113 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 3: Democrat base, they have a zero percent chance of actually succeeding. 114 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,719 Speaker 3: Now there might be a district court judge who says 115 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 3: that they can win. There might even be some appeals courts. 116 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 3: But I'm telling you, as they move up the flow chart, 117 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:46,599 Speaker 3: everyone who is a lawyer is going to tell you 118 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 3: this is ridiculous. And remember they lie to us all 119 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 3: the time about things that even the Supreme Court should 120 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 3: shoots down nine to zero. Remember Colorado's Supreme Court when 121 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 3: they took Trump off the ballot, and all these left 122 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 3: wing legal experts came on and said, this is a 123 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 3: very strong Colorado Supreme Court opinion, and then they lost 124 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 3: nine to zero with the Supreme Court. So this is 125 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 3: bs much of it, and I'm curious to see how 126 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 3: it's going to play out. 127 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: Speaking of legal bs. Here is the Minnesota Attorney General, 128 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: Keith Ellison, who wants to play this game of oh no, look, 129 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: even if we don't, even if we don't necessarily bring 130 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: charges right now, we could bring charges against this ICE 131 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: agent in the future. So let's just wait and see. 132 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: This is cut eight. 133 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 4: It is important to be blind that there is no 134 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 4: statute limitations on murder, and so this case is not 135 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 4: going to be over even if they try to block 136 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 4: a high quality investigation. We're collecting data. We know that 137 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:48,240 Speaker 4: there is civil rights representation that the family is obtaining. 138 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 4: So there's a lot of things happening, and there's no 139 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 4: reason to believe that we're not doing every thing we can't. 140 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 4: But this is unprecedented. We're used to the federal government 141 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 4: owning that part. We work with them all the time. 142 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 4: And actually I'm still flabbergasted at this effort to declare 143 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 4: the ICE agent innocent and then to Blacks from the file, 144 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 4: but then to selectively release little pieces of tape that 145 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 4: you think that they think are going to help them. 146 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 4: This is nothing close to the professionalism we're used to. 147 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: Clay. There, you have a state attorney general who is 148 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: saying that the federal government is essentially playing games with 149 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: and covering upper murder, and that at some point in 150 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: the future undetermined because there is no statute of limitation 151 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: anywhere on murder, that maybe they'll bring charges, So don't 152 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,440 Speaker 1: worry now. To me, I think this is he's putting 153 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: that out there to buy time so that as the 154 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,239 Speaker 1: pressure is high, he can say, we're investigating, we're investigating. 155 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: There's no statute of limitation. I don't think they're going 156 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: to bring a murder charge against this guy, because I 157 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: think ultimately they would lose. Although you don't know right 158 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: You can't know it for sure. The federal protect though 159 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: for a federal officer doing his job in the course 160 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: of his duties, where the federal government agrees he was 161 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 1: doing his duties, and now a state is going to 162 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: for a judge to that, that's going to be a 163 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: huge bar. 164 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 3: You're one hundred percent right in all of your legal analysis. 165 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 3: I think they'll bring murder charges against him, and it 166 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 3: may not be murder. It might be, you know, for 167 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 3: manslaughter or some advancelaughter something. 168 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,079 Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to bring anything. 169 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 3: You do you think you will, and I think it's 170 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 3: entirely political the legal analysis there is sound. There is 171 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 3: no basis for it whatsoever. I think the State of 172 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 3: Minnesota's leadership wants to conflict with President Trump and they 173 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:44,200 Speaker 3: want to tell their crazy base of insane people that 174 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 3: are out protesting all the time that they are willing 175 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 3: to stand for rule of law. 176 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 1: I could write their speech for them. 177 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 3: We're not going to allow a fascist, authoritarian federal government 178 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: to determine what the state law of Minnesota is when 179 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: we see crimes committed in Minnesota, We're not gonna rely 180 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 3: on the federal government to bring the charges. I can 181 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 3: make the argument politically better than those guys will probably buck. 182 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 3: I'm telling you they're gonna they're gonna charge him. 183 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: Now. 184 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,959 Speaker 3: I don't think it's gonna stick. I'm just saying that 185 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 3: when the federal government comes in and knocks out these 186 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 3: charges and when they get dismissed, how do they lose 187 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 3: Because then they say it's just fascism, right. The Trump 188 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 3: is the big bad wolf, the scary Nazi, and they're 189 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:33,560 Speaker 3: just going to argue that they stood up to him. 190 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 3: And when Trump is off the stage, they're gonna run 191 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,199 Speaker 3: for reelection based on all of this. 192 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: I think they're gonna say that there's an ongoing investigation, 193 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: and they're gonna keep the rhetoric high about how, you know, 194 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: we believe that there was a murder here or whatever, 195 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: and then eventually they're gonna because Clay, I think, I 196 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: don't think this plays well for them actually in the midterms. 197 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 1: I think for their crazy base, it's something that they 198 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: want to feed them in the meantime. But at the 199 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: end of the day, people can see that if there 200 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,439 Speaker 1: was no video, this guy would be absolutely facing murder charges. 201 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 1: There's video. It's very straightforward. There's no argument to be 202 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,400 Speaker 1: had here. You can't run into a cop with your 203 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: car because you're acting like a maniac and you don't 204 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: like the law, you can't do it. If you can 205 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: do it, we no longer have rule of law. We 206 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 1: basically are giving up one of our foundational elements to 207 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: American civilization. So yeah, for the lunatic left, you're right, 208 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 1: of course they love this stuff. But if you're going 209 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: to try to win control of the House and what's 210 00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: going to be a tightly contested race, I think I 211 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: hope you don't look like the good guys here. Actually, 212 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: you only look like the good guys to people who 213 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: are dying their hair purple and learning to be ice 214 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 1: interrupters and have nothing else to do with their lives, 215 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: and there's not enough of them to win you control 216 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: of the House. 217 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 3: Well, that's super interesting on the national level, and I'm 218 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 3: not sure I disagree, But in Minnesota, which is where 219 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 3: these guys are going to get elected, they actually think 220 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 3: they benefit politically. So you might be right that there 221 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 3: may be some big footing coming in from the Democrat 222 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 3: Party saying, hey, slow your role here, this is making 223 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 3: us look bad nationally. Locally, I think it's the best 224 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 3: thing that could happen to them because it just completely 225 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 3: reinforces their their perspective. 226 00:12:14,000 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: Well, well, what I think would would go in support 227 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: of your position here is the charges they brought in 228 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,920 Speaker 1: New York against Trump. The the you know, bookkeeping thing 229 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:28,679 Speaker 1: by the by the ag in New York City, the 230 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: District attorney rather in New York City was absurd beyond words, 231 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 1: and it was one of the only times even Trump 232 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: deranged haters went on TV, on MS now and on CNN. 233 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: I love calling it ms now, by the way, just 234 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:43,880 Speaker 1: because it's an admission that they had to rebrand because 235 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,000 Speaker 1: they're so crazy and they suck and they have no audience. 236 00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:49,439 Speaker 1: Just remember that, like Fox News is never waking up, 237 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: like now we're actually cat news, Like that's not happening 238 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 1: because it's Fox News. It's a brand they've built that 239 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: they have an audience. They've changed into ms now Clay 240 00:12:58,040 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: because it just turned into such a joke and NBC 241 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: didn't want to be affiliated with it anymore. Yes, but 242 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: I digress. The legal analyst, though, had a really tough 243 00:13:07,400 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: time with charging thirty four felonies or whatever over a 244 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: bookkeeping error that wasn't even an error because if he 245 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: did what they wanted him to do, it would have 246 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: been a campaign finance violation. The whole thing was insane. 247 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 3: Yes, that's why I think ultimately they don't care, even 248 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 3: though legally, again. 249 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: I think they'll cause problems for the Democrats nationally. But 250 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: that's what you're saying that maybe they just don't care. 251 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, I'm not sure. Keith Ellison, 252 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,559 Speaker 1: he probably wants to be a senator from Minnesota. 253 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, Jacob thinks Jacob Fry thinks he should be 254 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 3: a senator or a governor, right, Like he's Minneapolis mayor. 255 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 3: Now he's still a relatively young guy. He didn't cry 256 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 3: at George Floyd's casket for nothing. Buck, There's something bigger 257 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 3: in his future, in his mind. We'll talk about this, 258 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 3: we'll take some of your calls. We'll dive into the 259 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 3: Supreme Court case. Also, we'll talk about an awful news story, unfortunate. 260 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 3: Scott Adams, creator of Gilbert Dilbert, has died and he's 261 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 3: been a real outspoken force for free speech. Cancer got him. 262 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 3: His wife and ex wife announced it this morning. Sad 263 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 3: story there. 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Find them on the free iHeartRadio app or 290 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 5: wherever you get your podcasts. 291 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 3: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show. We got 292 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 3: some good news on inflation. Not getting a lot of attention, Buck, 293 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 3: but I thought I would hit everybody with it. Core 294 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 3: inflation two point six percent and the core inflation number 295 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 3: that is the lowest sense March. 296 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: Of twenty twenty one. 297 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 3: So if you're out there and you are like me, 298 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 3: and you're like Buck, and you have been incredibly frustrated 299 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 3: about the rising cost of goods, effectively the entire Biden 300 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 3: era has now been wiped out. Now, the frustrating thing 301 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 3: about cost of goods and why inflation is so uniquely pernicious, 302 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 3: is it sticks right, It's like gaining weight and all 303 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 3: you're doing is slowing down the gain of weight. That's 304 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 3: the frustrating part. But in terms of actual on the 305 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 3: ground inflation at this point in time, we have now 306 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 3: brought it back core to two point six percent. Fed's 307 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 3: target rate is about two percent. When Trump left office, 308 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 3: it was right around one point nine percent. I think 309 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 3: I feel very good Buck in twenty twenty six about 310 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 3: the likelihood that inflation is going to continue to come 311 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 3: down and that we are going to get closer and 312 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 3: closer to the fed's target rate of two, which means 313 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 3: interest rates should continue to come down in twenty twenty 314 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 3: six as well. Here we have CNBC's Rick Santelli this 315 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 3: has cut four talking about the year over year inflation. 316 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: Here from the man himself, play it. 317 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 6: The numbers are coming out for a December eed on 318 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,200 Speaker 6: Consumer Price Index, we're expecting a headline number up three 319 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 6: tenths of percent, and it delivered. That's exactly what we received, 320 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 6: up three tenths of percent. Now, if you look at 321 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,240 Speaker 6: the previous month in August, it was up four tenths. 322 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,359 Speaker 6: September it was up three tenths. So this fits right in. 323 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 6: If you look at X Food and Energy known as CORE, 324 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 6: on a month over month, it's a tenth cooler than expected, 325 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 6: it's up two tenths. Now, if you look at year 326 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 6: over year, up two point seven expected two point seven arrives. 327 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 6: The one glimmer here on the year over year is 328 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 6: the CORE comes in the tenth lights expectations, but the 329 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 6: two point six level is where we've been. 330 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: Oh it's good. Short version is inflation is moving in 331 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: the right direction. Finding cost savings in your day to 332 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: day built in expenses is harder than it sounds. 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He's going to be 353 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: giving a speech in Detroit, Motor City. That's right, right, 354 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 1: It's Motor City. Yeah it is. Yeah, my wife's hometown. 355 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: She's up there right now. I wish I could speak 356 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:15,840 Speaker 1: to it with tremendous fondness, But I have never been 357 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 1: to Detroit, Clay, so I should probably go check that 358 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: place out. Never been in the city of Detroit, before. 359 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,640 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna I'm gonna go. See I might bust 360 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: out my rhymes. 361 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 3: Maybe better to put on the target list, especially in 362 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 3: the summer. But I've spent a lot of time in Detroit. 363 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 3: It's a better city than I think it gets credit for. 364 00:19:32,760 --> 00:19:35,200 Speaker 1: This is like what I said about Chicago, Carrie and 365 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: I my first ever time in Chicago. I went in 366 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: May and it was seventy five degrees and crystal clear 367 00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:44,880 Speaker 1: skies and everything was fantastic. And I'm like, I think 368 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:46,719 Speaker 1: I did it, Like I don't know. I don't need 369 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: to go back to Chicago in January. 370 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 4: Now. 371 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: I had perfect Chicago in May. So maybe I'll go 372 00:19:51,440 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: to Detroit this summer. But Trump is there right now 373 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: and he's hoping to get the American people, and obviously 374 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:03,920 Speaker 1: his administration is very much focused on the economy and 375 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 1: there are some challenges going into this. Of course, there's 376 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: always going to be economic challenge. No one's ever going 377 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: to be This is one thing I just want to say, Clay, 378 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:13,159 Speaker 1: no one's ever gonna wake up be like, you know, 379 00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:16,760 Speaker 1: what's perfect the American economy. I mean, you can be 380 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: grateful for the fact that America does have the best 381 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: most dynamic wealth generation machinery for any nation state, for 382 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: any political entity in the history of the world, and 383 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: like we should remember that. But there's always going to 384 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: be things that you want to change that aren't working, right, 385 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,159 Speaker 1: There's always going to be problems. Okay, that's why we 386 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: have a government that has to handle these things. They 387 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: don't do a good job, but at least theoretically that's 388 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 1: what they're supposed to be doing. I think Trump is, though, 389 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: doing on the economy a good job. I think he 390 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,879 Speaker 1: knows that it's absolutely critical for the American people and 391 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: also for the upcoming midterms because his agenda becomes, let's 392 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: just say, a lot harder to implement. If they lose 393 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: control of the House of Representatives, they will impeach Trump 394 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: a third I don't even think you and I can 395 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: have a bet on this one. Right, you agree they're 396 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 1: gonna be peach Trump a third time if they win 397 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: the House, Right you you agree with that they're gonna 398 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: one hundred percent they're gonna impeach him. And uh, look, 399 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 1: the ast wish they would just do it and not 400 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: even tell us why, Like we're just impeaching him because 401 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: he's so awful. 402 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,959 Speaker 3: I just feel like the whole concept of impeachment, if 403 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 3: you don't have any pathway to sixty seven votes, which 404 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 3: I don't think by and large there will be in 405 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 3: any of the lives of any of the people listening 406 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 3: right now, then all of it's just a big sham 407 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:40,200 Speaker 3: and a big side shows. Two were Yeah, it's just 408 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 3: non impactful. It's like a like a vote of censure 409 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:47,199 Speaker 3: or something. It's it's sending Trump, It's it's the congressional 410 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 3: majority sending Trump a strongly awarded letter that he will 411 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:53,040 Speaker 3: not care about one bit. But anyway, I think that 412 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 3: on the on the economy, we all know that affordability 413 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 3: is a is a big challenge, and you know there's 414 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 3: some polling out there that says that he's at a 415 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 3: rough spot right now with the economy. Now, it's interesting 416 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 3: you look at what the things are that he could do. 417 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 3: You and I haven't discussed this yet. Capping credit card 418 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 3: interest rates at ten percent. I'm I'm of I'm a 419 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 3: I'm of a few minds on this, I would say, 420 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 3: and I want to hear what you. Clay and I haven't. 421 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: We haven't. Sometimes we're like texting our ideas back and 422 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 1: forth about things. So I'm just going in on this cold. 423 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: On the one hand, I think credit card companies have 424 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: had far too much lobbying power. They've had Joe Biden 425 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: doing their bidding in Delaware, for example, for longer than 426 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: I've been alive. The fact that they can charge a 427 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: thirty percent Oh all right, Well, we're gonna have to 428 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:48,880 Speaker 1: put a little pin in our credit card discussion. We're 429 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: going to come back to it, all right, claik We 430 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: make a promise, we'll come back to it. We will 431 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: return I job we have. We have an esteemed an 432 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: esteemed caller has joined US. Senator Ted Cruz of the 433 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: Great State of Texas. Senator, it's been a while. Happy 434 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. How you doing. 435 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 7: I am doing fabulous, and you'll appreciate it. I'm doing 436 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 7: particularly well because I enjoyed last night the Texans whipping 437 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 7: the Steelers ass. That just brought great joy to my. 438 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: Well beat down. 439 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 7: It vindicated as a little kid growing up in the 440 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 7: seventies in Houston, the seventy nine and eighty AFC championships 441 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 7: are still wounds that have not healed. As the greatest 442 00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 7: Oilers team we ever had with Earl Kank Campbell crashed 443 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 7: into the Pittsburgh Steelers. So I feel like we got 444 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 7: a modicum of justice and revenge for a decades old wound. 445 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: Well, as I know, we have a massive Houston audience 446 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,159 Speaker 1: and are number one consistently in the slot Senator cruise. 447 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,280 Speaker 1: Whatever the people of Houston root for, I root for. 448 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: This is my So if it's the Texans, I'm on board. 449 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: Talk to us if you would, on the serious side 450 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: of things for so, actually, can I get to can 451 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: you it's a longer discussion. I want to ask you 452 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: about Ron Obviously, I know you're gonna have a lot 453 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: on that, and I'm getting people right reaching out to 454 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 1: me saying family members, friends of mine, whoever either themselves 455 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: or they have friends or family who are in Iran, 456 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: are desperate for some kind of help. They full up what. 457 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 1: We'll get to that in one second. It's a smaller thing, 458 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: but affordability is a huge thing. The credit card ten 459 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: percent cap, What do you make of that? Center? Do 460 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 1: you take a very straightforward approach to finances in the 461 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 1: American people's budgets? 462 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 7: Look, we've tried that approach in the past. Both Nixon 463 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 7: and Carter tried to approach very similar, and it didn't work. 464 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,639 Speaker 7: When you cap prices, what you end up doing is 465 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 7: you exclude a whole bunch of people from the market. So, 466 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 7: you know what, if you're rich, if you have great credit, 467 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,720 Speaker 7: a cap at ten percent does not limit your ability 468 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 7: to get credit because you've got good enough credit that frankly, 469 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,160 Speaker 7: you're not paying ten percent anyway. The people that will 470 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 7: get hurt by a ten percent camp are people who 471 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,399 Speaker 7: are low income, people who are struggling to get credit, 472 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 7: people who have bad people who have a record of defaults, 473 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 7: And if you cap it at ten percent, what it's 474 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 7: going to mean is they're not going to be able 475 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 7: to get any credit cards at all. Basically, you're taking 476 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 7: away credit cards from every person for whom the credit 477 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 7: risk is greater than a ten percent rate justifies. And 478 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 7: look it, you know, for many people, if you've got 479 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 7: a higher interest credit card, you're doing that because you 480 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 7: got bills. Maybe you've got to pay rent, maybe you've 481 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,879 Speaker 7: got to pay pay by groceries that week, maybe you 482 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,960 Speaker 7: got to pay for you know, your kid to get braces, 483 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 7: And if you can't get a credit card, it will 484 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 7: drive every one of those people to an even worse 485 00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:39,879 Speaker 7: credit option, whether it is a payday loan or or 486 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 7: whether it's a loan shark down the street. And so 487 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,480 Speaker 7: I think the law of unintended consequences is really quite 488 00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 7: significant here, and I think there are a lot of 489 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 7: downside risks. 490 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,119 Speaker 3: Okay, let's go into Iran and what's going on in 491 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 3: the country right now. President Trump earlier today had a 492 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 3: very aggressive statement that he made, and I see Ambassador 493 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 3: Mike Waltz just tweeted in the last little bit the 494 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 3: Iranian people are chanting death to Kamane rather than death 495 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 3: to America. Freedom is in the air thanks to President 496 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,239 Speaker 3: Trump's leadership. If President Trump called you, and he may 497 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 3: well do it and said what should I do, what 498 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 3: is the appropriate tack to establish here right now? 499 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: What would you tell him? 500 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 7: Well, listen, I think what the President is doing right 501 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 7: now is exactly right. We are at a moment of history, 502 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 7: an incredibly consequential moment. I think there's a very real 503 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,640 Speaker 7: possibility that in the next ninety days we will see 504 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 7: the regime in Iran fall, and I think we could 505 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 7: see the regime in Cuba fall. Those two together, if 506 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 7: both oppressive dictatorships fell, would utterly transform the geopolitical frame worldwide. 507 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:58,479 Speaker 7: In Iran, we are seeing millions of people standing up 508 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,640 Speaker 7: against the Iotoemeene and and I think we could see 509 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 7: that that regime fall within weeks and even days, or 510 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 7: even hours. It could fall today. It is that precarious. 511 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 7: And I got to tell you, Clay, the reason for that. 512 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 7: Let's go back a few months ago to the Twelve 513 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 7: Day War. One of the things I said at the time, 514 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 7: it is that I predicted that the regime I believe 515 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 7: would likely fall as a consequence of that, because there 516 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 7: are real world consequences to losing a war. Losing a 517 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 7: war is not just a communications problem. It's not just 518 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 7: a messaging problem. It is reality that in the Twelve 519 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 7: Day War, Iran utterly and completely lost. They were decimated. 520 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:48,200 Speaker 7: And and if you're an Islamist dictator, if there is 521 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,679 Speaker 7: anything possibly worse than losing a war, it is losing 522 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 7: a war to Israel. And dictatorships remain in power by 523 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 7: convincing their people that that they cannot be defeated, that 524 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 7: they are omnipotent. And the crushing defeat in the Twelve 525 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 7: Day War destroyed that false image. It showed to the 526 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 7: people of Iran that the dictatorship is a paper tiger, 527 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 7: and I think we are seeing incredible heroes and patriots 528 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 7: standing up. There was one young woman a couple of 529 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 7: days ago who was lighting her cigarette by lighting on 530 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 7: fire a picture of the Iahtola and using that to 531 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 7: light her cigarette. That is incredible courage because understand if 532 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 7: the Iatola remains in power, they are likely to find her, 533 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 7: to hunt her down and to torture and kill her. 534 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 7: She knows exactly what she's doing and she is very 535 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 7: literally risking her life to try to seek freedom. And 536 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 7: so you know, Clay, you tweeted a couple of days 537 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,440 Speaker 7: ago that what is happening in Iran is the most 538 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 7: important thing in the world right now. You are exactly right. 539 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 7: I retweeted you. In fact, I read your tweet on 540 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 7: my podcast Verdict with Ted Cruz. This is a moment. 541 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 7: There are very few things, if anything, that could enhance 542 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 7: American national security more than seeing the Iyatola and the 543 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 7: Mullahs removed from power by the Iranian people. Because the Iotola, 544 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 7: he routinely chants death to America. He is an Islamist, theocratic, genocidal, 545 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 7: homicidal dictator, and seeing him removed from power he has 546 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 7: killed a vast number of American servicemen and women. He 547 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 7: has waged war against America for years and for decades. 548 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 7: And I think we may well be on the precipice 549 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 7: of the Iranian people getting enough is enough. 550 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,719 Speaker 1: Center Cruise. We certainly are at a place where there 551 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: could be a huge pivot point in Iran, and I 552 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:47,719 Speaker 1: think a lot of people listening right now are very 553 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: enthusiastic about the prospects of a different regime there led 554 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: by the Iranian people. But of course we have the 555 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,320 Speaker 1: concerns about intervention. What would it look like, what would 556 00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: it be to the point that Clay of the question 557 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: that Clay posed to you a moment ago, if the 558 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: commander in chief, we know that you and President Trump talk, 559 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: we know you guys have each other's phone numbers, etc. 560 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: If you were to call you in five minutes and say, Ted, 561 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about blowing up the following targets, which I 562 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: think are at the absolute heart of the machinery of 563 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: murder against these protesters right now, ire GC headquarters, besiege, 564 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: whatever it may be. Do you think that's the move? 565 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,440 Speaker 1: No US boots on the ground, But if Mitchells have 566 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: to fly through the sky to help the Iranian people 567 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 1: achieve freedom. Would you be in favor of it? 568 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 7: Possibly, It depends on the details of the specifics. I 569 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 7: am talking to President Trump frequently throughout this process and 570 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 7: encouraging I think the path he's following in Iran makes sense. 571 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 7: I spent the entire day yesterday with Pete Hegseth. We 572 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 7: flew on peace plane back from Brownsville from SpaceX to 573 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 7: DC late last night. I spent much of that plane 574 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 7: ride talking with Pete about Iran and what we should 575 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 7: be doing, And in my view, number one, we should. 576 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 7: We'd be doing everything we can to encourage the revolution 577 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 7: from the American people. That includes cyber efforts. I think 578 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 7: if suddenly the Iranian regimes, if they're surveillance, if their radar, 579 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 7: if their tools of oppression cease to operate, that is 580 00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 7: a very good thing. Covert action, I think that is 581 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 7: a very good thing. In terms of a kinetic strike, 582 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 7: at actual military strike, it might make sense to do so, 583 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 7: but it would depend on the specific target and it 584 00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 7: would have to be limited. Right now, this is a 585 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 7: revolution from the Iranian people. We want it to be 586 00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 7: a revolution from the Iranian people, and so if there 587 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 7: were a particular kinetic strike. If, for example, the regime 588 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 7: we're murdering protesters in one specific location, and we could 589 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 7: stop them from doing that, we could engage in a 590 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 7: limited matter to stop the mass murder of protesters. I 591 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 7: think that could well make sense, but we do need 592 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 7: to think about the day after that. If the revolution succeeds, 593 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,520 Speaker 7: and I pray that it does, then the question is, Okay, 594 00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 7: who governs Iran going forward? And that's not an easy question. 595 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 7: There could be a civil war, there could be lots 596 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 7: of unrest, lots of bad outcomes can happen, and I 597 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 7: think it is a much much better situation. And in 598 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:17,920 Speaker 7: the tomorrow world, if the Ayah Toola was overthrown by 599 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 7: the American people who were fed up with his oppression 600 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 7: and tyranny and Islamic dictatorship, then if people say, oh, 601 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 7: the United States just toppled the head of Iran, that's 602 00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 7: a much harder situation to have a good stable government. 603 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 7: And so I think President Trump is doing this just right. 604 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 7: If you contrast, look in two thousand and nine, the 605 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 7: Green Revolution, the people of Iran were standing up and 606 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,600 Speaker 7: Barack Obama was president. He did everything he could to 607 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 7: douse water on those flames and to tell the protesters 608 00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,280 Speaker 7: we will not stand with you. What the President is 609 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 7: saying is America's with you, the people of Iran. And 610 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 7: he also said today this was very important. He said, 611 00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 7: the regime henchman that are engaging in atrocities, that are 612 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 7: murdering and torturing people, keep their names because they will 613 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 7: be held accountable. That's a major way to protect the 614 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 7: protesters to have. If you're an Iranian soldier and you're 615 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,560 Speaker 7: being told open fire on the crowd suddenly, if you 616 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 7: think I'm going to be put in front of a 617 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 7: court and tried in another month if I do this, 618 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 7: that's part of how revolutions succeeds. So I think we 619 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 7: should do everything we can to encourage it without taking 620 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 7: it over, while leaving the Iranian people as the prime movers, 621 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 7: that this is their country and they should be determining 622 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:35,640 Speaker 7: their future. 623 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 3: Quick question here to close with you, Senator Ted Cruz, 624 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 3: you were with elon yesterday SpaceX as well as Secretary 625 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 3: of War Pete Hegseath. How good of information do we 626 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 3: have on the ground. They've shut down the Internet, they've 627 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 3: shut down all communication. How much do you think we 628 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 3: know about what might be happening there. You said potentially 629 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,600 Speaker 3: within hours he could be overthrown. Do we have that 630 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 3: kind of intel. 631 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 7: We don't know specifically. I think it could be imminent, 632 00:34:02,920 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 7: just based on the size of the protest, on the energy, 633 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 7: on the weakness of the regime. I will say one 634 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,760 Speaker 7: of the most important things that happened is that Elon 635 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 7: has activated Starlink over Iran and has have provided it 636 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 7: for free, which is providing communication. The regime has shut 637 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,600 Speaker 7: down the Internet. The regime has tried to shut down television. Actually, ironically, 638 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 7: do you guys know the main thing? Do you know 639 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 7: what the ayatola is broadcasting all over Iran right now? 640 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 7: In Persian? 641 00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson. 642 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,560 Speaker 7: He's playing Tucker Carlson. That's what the ayatola is playing 643 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 7: translated into Persian. I talked about it my podcast yesterday. Look, 644 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 7: you and I have both known Tucker a long long time. 645 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 7: In all seriousness, if an Islamist murderer who hates America 646 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,520 Speaker 7: views your words as the propaganda he wants to use 647 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,400 Speaker 7: to silence in a as people, that's got to be 648 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 7: a real side. Maybe you're on the wrong path. Maybe 649 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 7: you need to rethink what you're saying, because I'll tell you. 650 00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:12,000 Speaker 7: At the same time, my podcast Verdict with Ted Cruz 651 00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 7: are download numbers of skyrocketed in Iran. I think people 652 00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 7: are using starlink to download the podcast. And and if 653 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 7: my words, if your words are encouraging the protesters that 654 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 7: you can overthrow these desk butts. That's that. I am 655 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 7: very happy with the side of history you and I 656 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:29,200 Speaker 7: find ourselves on. 657 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 1: Senator Cruz, thank you so much, and tell the good 658 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:34,279 Speaker 1: folks of Aron to listen to Clay and Buck while 659 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: you're at it. If you can't thank you. 660 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,319 Speaker 7: For being there, you guys do a phenomenal job. 661 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: Thank you very much. That's Senator Ted Cruz. 662 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 3: Look, you want to be the most popular member of 663 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 3: your immediate and extended family. Round up your old videotapes 664 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 3: recorded years ago. Have them digitized so everyone can enjoy 665 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 3: seeing them again. 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